veteran-class

[stable socket]

so at least we can push into a pack and not get shot to pieces while meleeing them... hopefully

[hollow ibex]

yeah

they hit like a fucking truck tho

in ranged

[stable socket]

i wonder if oggy taunt will make them pull out their melee like shotgunners

[hollow ibex]

hopefully

[stable socket]

ideally i'd still want a dedicated sniper to kill them though

[compact oracle]

the taunt will make them shoot immediately out of panic and never stop firing

[stable socket]

from what i've seen they shoot pretty fast too, idk if there's enough time to regen dodges between shots

[hollow ibex]

it unlocks their full auto ability

and they turn to normal gunners

except with plasma

[sterile phoenix]

How’re shotguns currently

[gilded wraith]

Am I being irrational thinking that Tactical Awareness should get the same "ally in coherency" modifier that Ogryn get with Bruiser?

[hybrid plover]

Tbh yes

[gilded wraith]

It seems like Bruiser and Invocation of Death are drastically easier to proc.

[hybrid plover]

IoD is also nerfed significantly too though

[tall torrent]

It should be including elite kills too tbh

[tall torrent]

U sure?

[stuck gorge]

it seems like they’re cutting back on most if not all cdr talents

[tall torrent]

Crit once every 3s to get double cooldown rate

Still op

[hybrid plover]

100% compared to 200% is still a pretty significant hit

[tall torrent]

+100% is x200% cooldown rate

+200% is x300% cooldown rate

[gilded wraith]

How is IoD nerfed? It lasts for 1 second longer and procs easily?

[tall torrent]

It just went up in cd by 5s lol it’s not a big deal

Especially since FotF has a cooldown subnode now that refunds u 20%

[amber ether]

whats the condition for the cd?

hitting something?

[hybrid plover]

okay fair point on this one

[tall torrent]

Kill something within 5s of using FotF

lol

[stuck gorge]

Kill within 5 sec one ability

[amber ether]

oh

[hybrid plover]

Because the actual cooldown reduction is less

[amber ether]

easy

[stuck gorge]

so basically guaranteed

[thick needle]

Howdy yall
Was there news about the upcoming Vet changes

[hybrid plover]

IoD already had a ton of uptime even before this

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1419854053684281354/Screencast_20250922_211144.mp4?ex=68d345a2&is=68d1f422&hm=46c9f478f0b28c8806d30c5d444a05fad0c14c897d4a2511d1824bce753480f3&

[amber ether]

theres probably a video up with all the skill tree changes

[stuck gorge]

Psyker vet and zealot trees have been shown by YouTubers already

[gilded wraith]

If my choice were the new Tactical Awareness, or CRD on Ranged Crit I would run not walk to select it.

[amber ether]

feels weird that every new weapon for vet is a melee weapon

for the ranged focused class

[hybrid plover]

Honestly I just want the game to go in a direction where CDR isn't as prominent of a thing.

[tall torrent]

Vet needs more of those

[tall torrent]

Sorry that’s psyker

[amber ether]

lies

swordker is the best way to play psyker

[tall torrent]

Psyker is the dedicated ranged class

Vet is melee/ranged hybrid class

[amber ether]

either way vet should get more guardsman toys

like a lmg or something

[tall torrent]

Yea need more melee

[amber ether]

no >:(

I tire of melee

[tall torrent]

Need at least 5 good melee weapons on vet

[amber ether]

maybe I should play cod

[tall torrent]

Currently there’s 1

[amber ether]

like exclusive weaps?

[tall torrent]

No

[amber ether]

or just in general

[tall torrent]

Any

[gilded wraith]

Chainaxe!

[tall torrent]

Idc which it has to be

Literally any

[amber ether]

whats the 1 good melee

[hybrid plover]

power sword

[gilded wraith]

PS

[amber ether]

no

[hybrid plover]

yes

i hate it

[amber ether]

chainsword, taxe, and ds are all good no?

[hybrid plover]

...chainsword???

[amber ether]

I cant see taxe being bad on any character

[tall torrent]

Chainsword 💀

[amber ether]

is it bad

[tall torrent]

Power sword hits crusher for 5.5k next update

[gilded wraith]

Taxe is fun, but feels really short.

[amber ether]

it feels ok in havocs

wait this is veteran chat

why am i here

[fresh niche]

One of us

[amber ether]

https://tenor.com/view/change-da-world-cat-alpha-pruppl-change-da-world-final-message-gif-677204975799739608

[hybrid plover]

💀

[gilded wraith]

Ironically also what the FS dev said.

[hybrid plover]

anyone got an image of the full tree?

curious as to how my setups are gonna map out on the new tree

[cunning haven]

i must drop 1 of the following:

• superiority complex
• focus target
• iron will

glass cannon build

[stuck gorge]

sorry if the quality is terrible but here’s what a friend sent to me of the new trees

[tall torrent]

Why

[cunning haven]

ran out of points trying to get obliterate + shock trooper

onslaught*

for recon lasgun

[narrow widget]

it's peak I fear

the zealots finally have a way out of the build™

[stuck gorge]

not to mention loner aura finally got removed!

[compact plume]

What’s the build?

[sturdy crescent]

Hoping I'm gonna be able to recreate stealth build

[stuck gorge]

You have hella backstab nodes so you would def be able to

• shroudfield and its subnodes got buffed

[sturdy crescent]

I'm aggressive type of stealth tbh

[stuck gorge]

don’t forget the other .5 of the build by going IJ instead

[narrow widget]

true

this is just what I remember seeing

[stuck gorge]

and I just realized that’s book and not fotf

lol

[tall torrent]

One sec

I can try

[hybrid plover]

Very much appreciated.

[mortal zinc]

So, does that mean that there's a potential niche case for smokes+raking fire?

Cause that sounds neat with this new tree

Granted, my first priority is going to be to rebuild Recon Las/Combat Shotty builds, but still.

[tall torrent]

@hybrid plover does this work

[hybrid plover]

yes it does! tysm

[tall torrent]

Red is new talent

Vet has only 2

And neither is that impressive

[narrow widget]

we got the Arby's triple barrel shotgun

[tall torrent]

Paying 3 points to get that is not worth

When WS exists

[narrow widget]

true

[narrow widget]

what's CO

[tall torrent]

Covert operative
Ranged backstab

It’s not rly worth

[narrow widget]

ok yeah like what case are you even gonna use it

[tall torrent]

Going from SC / IW / TFD row to aura ur choices are pretty limited

[hybrid plover]

meme build with infantry autogun and raking fire

[stuck gorge]

The singular person who uses infiltrate might

[hybrid plover]

and infiltrate now innately having 30% damage

[narrow widget]

if ur using infiltrate you might as well just hit the melee backstab

[hybrid plover]

it doesn't reward melee like shroudfield does

[narrow widget]

ig

[faint beacon]

I already see an extreme gimmick build with it but generally not worth it anywhere else

Infil + CO + Raking Fire + DumDum Mk5 Inf

BON B'Gone Spray

[hybrid plover]

I see the vision but yeah it's gonna be a gimmick at most

[junior grail]

Are Onslaught builds still achievable?

[faint beacon]

@junior grail

Very much so

Idk why you'd do it seeing there's a bunch of other really good talents you can pick up there now but pop off

[junior grail]

Oh Onslaught is in the middle now?

[faint beacon]

right side

[tall torrent]

No

[faint beacon]

next to WS

[tall torrent]

Right side’s bottom left

[faint beacon]

left

excuse me

[junior grail]

Oh I plan to experiment but just in case I feel nostalgic with Recon Lasgun

Ahhh so it takes quite a bit more this time to get Onslaught especially for going left tree

[hybrid plover]

Not really

A lot of stuff above it is consolidated now

Though actually I guess if you're going left, I suppose that is a concern

[cunning haven]

sacrifices must be made for shock trooper + onslaught

[junior grail]

But I will be looking forward to the new MMF

[cunning haven]

should i drop killzone instead maybe

[pale pecan]

I'm kinda sad that the Falchion didn't get a Sunder type blessing.

I still think my Mk6 PS is going to be king for that blessing alone.

[hollow ibex]

yeah ps6 was always going to be king

[pale pecan]

I run 2 +3 stam curios with it and it's my GOAT

Good mobility, good defense with stamina, good damage, good cc, good cleave.

[hybrid plover]

u probably don't even need two stamina curios anymore

since the stam delay's better now

[pale pecan]

I'm a little miffed by the Mark Target nerf, but I'm hoping with the rework I'll get some extra talent points to put into duck and dive.

[pale pecan]

My build was based around Mark Target refunding stamina on elite kill to keep spamming push attacks, while having good melee defense and sprint.

[hybrid plover]

Yeah, you probably don't even need to do that anymore at this point

[pale pecan]

I haven't seen any patch notes related to Vet Stamina so idk

[hybrid plover]

PS6 push attack's main problem was vet's innate stamina delay but from what I can tell, one of the stam delay nodes have been taken out and are now baked into the class

[pale pecan]

Well that's nice, I'll have to experiment with that then.

But I've also grown used to the push attack parries so idk

I'm glad I'll also have a reason to use Competitive Urge again though.

Since it won't be a tax anymore.

[teal canyon]

50% weapon swap speed, huh?
Well, Lucius is buffed to be actually useful just because you don't need to reload

[half path]

one of vets stamina talents has been baked into the class by default same as the suppression immunity

[hybrid plover]

Always has been

Helbore's been top tier for a while

[pale pecan]

Are there any patch notes out yet?

[hybrid plover]

It's just gonna be better now lol

[pale pecan]

I'd love to read this

[half path]

work in progress still

soon tm

[teal canyon]

I disagree.

[half path]

there is ALOT

lol

[hybrid plover]

Tell that to the myriad of vets that have been using it in Havoc

[pale pecan]

That said, I'm certainly whelmed by the falcion

[half path]

faster attacks more dodges and stamina

less damage

oh and heat

i like it

[teal canyon]

The only thing it have going for it is ammo before

[pale pecan]

I just wish it had better cooldown, the downtime makes me think of a more sluggish relic blade.

[tall torrent]

base stam regen delay reduced from 1s to 0.75s (now same as zealot)

[austere mica]

and good damage to all targets across all ranges
And incredible sustained fire potential

[hybrid plover]

Considerable unyielding damage, meaningful one shot breakpoints

[pale pecan]

I won't lie

[tall torrent]

it wasn't 1 tapping flamers before lol

[hybrid plover]

Mk4 specifically has good carapace damage

[half path]

its pretty ok against everything that isnt carapace when unpowered

carapace enemies just dont bother

[pale pecan]

I only used Helbore for Havoc for the Hotshot melee bug, and then using the Brittleness shot for spamming into crushers to make the Flamers go brr.

[hybrid plover]

if you have a bit of damage beef up, it can, and given how the tree's playing out, it's probably not going to be hard at all to accomplish that

well, if you had some damage beef up

now it's just going to be easier to do exactly that

[pale pecan]

Hotshot + Sunder + Serrated Blade MK6 Powersword is an absolutely dirty melee vet setup for Havoc.

[teal canyon]

The number of times carapace or unyielding been a problem for me is near zero. The number of times I need gunner, disabler, or grenadier dead now and not 3 sec later is near million

[hybrid plover]

and the helbore's been good at taking out all of those targets since the buff

[pale pecan]

I wonder if that still works tbh

[hybrid plover]

it just requires more deliberation than other ranged options to do so

also, reapers are probably one of the worst gun units in the game and that's unyielding

[teal canyon]

Charge+long pull out was really keeping down this weapon for me. Now the pull out is short af. So it's actually useful for me even if the charge mechanic is still my least favorite mechanic in fps ever

[gilded wraith]

I don't think hotshot impacts melee anymore.

[pale pecan]

I'm gonna go test rn

[hybrid plover]

It doesn't.

[pale pecan]

I have an insane clip of me cleaving like 40 Maulers lmao

[hybrid plover]

It hasn't since they fixed the blessing inversion bug

which

unfortunate

but it is what it is

[gilded wraith]

Agreed.

[pale pecan]

I assume Lethal Prox doesn't affect Shredder now?

[hybrid plover]

It still does lol

[austere mica]

Dbarrel looking at this like omni man looks at planes

[pale pecan]

Wowza

[pale pecan]

I'll find it one sec

[hybrid plover]

I guess the lethal prox interaction is intended to be a thing

Because I'm not sure why they'd fix hot shot and not that.

[gilded wraith]

The Tactical Awareness vs Bruiser issue still annoys me. It feels like their solution to disliking gold was nerfing CDR, but it's going to hit Infiltrate hard as well.

[teal canyon]

Usually gun I have suppress shit out of all range units and my team can disassemble them

[austere mica]

I don't have it recorded but I know that manstopper allows you to cleave 128 bosses

[hybrid plover]

double barrel stocks are through the roof

[pale pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1031336732332924961/1326027494956077127/SPOILER_8mb.video-DG9-A34uKCjk.mp4?ex=68d36357&is=68d211d7&hm=658fa244b7d0be0a8ad7866bd1546ec83c8846643cd0fa5c099addd41224c05c&

[hybrid plover]

I can sense my knife db setup is gonna benefit immensely from the rework

[pale pecan]

It was great using this for Havoc

Serrated Blade is underrated for the Zealot and Ogryn synergy.

[half path]

nope you are turning to dust the second you load in

:3

we got you nice urn

[hybrid plover]

mercy killer stocks through the roof

[hybrid plover]

i will die happily

[grim oriole]

Anyone able to claim their twitch drops for the vet

[cunning haven]

i claimed it on twitch after connecting twitch to fatshark but i didnt see the rewards in game

[thin stone]

Vet can stand for both animal doctor and a war veteran

[cunning haven]

war animal doctor

[thin stone]

[red robin]

Revive speed curios + leave no one behind makes the vet into greatest animal doctor of pubs

[shy rose]

Plus the shout end everybody is up again.

[cunning haven]

i have actually never witnessed anyone use that node

not even in a video

dont know what it looks like

[thin stone]

Me neither

[hybrid plover]

which one?

[narrow widget]

revive shout

[hybrid plover]

oh the trap node

[narrow widget]

yea

[hybrid plover]

that's, probably going to be even worse with this update actually

[narrow widget]

unless they change it to be just simply "shout revives allies" I don't think it'll ever be chosen

[hybrid plover]

i will say, i do wish they tried to make it somewhat usable

but alas

[woeful junco]

I've seen it ingame a few times

the vet shouts and then the downed players nearby do a quick version of the standing up animation, like it's sped up

[cunning haven]

was it any good?

[stiff glacier]

Range of it is ass

You gotta really make sure you're close enough

[rough adder]

I think I've seen a grand total of one time someone use the revive shout in my 860 hours of playing this game

[stiff glacier]

Ive seen it couple times recently but mostly from new folk trying aurics for first time

[red portal]

If it didn't increase the cool down I could see it being ran

It's just detrimental to run it

[gilded wraith]

On the note of CDR:

Tactical Awareness: 100% Ability Cooldown Regeneration for 3s after you kill a Specialist Enemy.

Bruiser: 100% Ability Cooldown Regeneration for 3s after you or an Ally in Coherency kill an Elite Enemy.

Psykinetic Aura: 100% Ability Cooldown Regeneration for 3s after after you or an Ally in coherency kill a Specialist or an Elite Enemy.

Vet got absofreakinglutely hosed on CDR.

[austere mica]

Because old tac awareness was insane

[red portal]

Damn they really fucking kicked vet in the balls and took his lunch money

[gilded wraith]

Those are all current rework posted above.

Old tactical awareness has no bearing.

[red portal]

True but with the nerf it should atleast work on elites aswell to compensate

[austere mica]

They should just nerf psykinetics

[gilded wraith]

Waiting for Infiltrate is going to be like watching paint dry.

Yellow toughness hatred was alive and well in the rework, but it got some colaterall damage.

[red portal]

I haven't paid attention to any of the changes really. is exe stance going to be worth running now?

[tepid otter]

Did they add variants for the Boltgun, haven't been on in a while to check the changes

[gilded wraith]

I do think it has a variant coming.

Less base damage, more explosive?

Or some such.

[tepid otter]

Ah, just heard from someone i knew irl that they did, so I thought that was what the new was update about, plus some other changes

[rough adder]

There's no point in that because you are already almost always killing specials in auric+, if you add elite to it might as well just be a straight base cd reduction across the board and it is the entire opposite of trying to nerf cdr.
Old tactical awareness and other cdr talents were meant to be giving you more ults to get out of hairy situations when there are too many specials spawning, but with the game getting as killy as it became, too many specials are spawning and we are killing them too quickly and with little issue to the point that ult is almost always on and the multiple cdr for this patch is supposed to make the reduction fit the speed we are killing things

[woeful junco]

I mean, it does what it says on the tin? you are revived immediately

but is it better than higher piss toughness uptime? no.

[hybrid plover]

Tactical Awareness being nerfed the way it is is a step in the right direction to keep Shout in line

But now they have to do more to make Infiltrate worth using

Which can come down later in time

[stiff glacier]

Marksman focus buff is nice

[hybrid plover]

Just play vet like how you always should have been playing them and you'll be fine.

[rough adder]

They did make the damage bonus baked in, for one

[hybrid plover]

Don't think it's enough.

But it's a start.

[stiff glacier]

Vets stealth is still largely utilitarian in nature

[austere mica]

18 seconds of free time

[rough adder]

I mean I feel like the reason for most people to play stealth has always been "I like to play stealth"

[gilded wraith]

Was Tactical Awareness being so much worse than Psykinetic Aura and Bruiser discussed?

[hybrid plover]

It's really not that bad lol

[gilded wraith]

It's going to trigger significantly less than the other two, for almost the same talent.

If you're playing Infiltrate, it will be significant.

[hybrid plover]

No because if you play vet well enough, it is not that hard to upkeep it at all.

[gilded wraith]

Jesus, camp someone elses posts.

Yes, abilities that allies can proc... will proc more frequently. Get gud, does not infact change code.

I detest the "if you're a good vet" defense for imbalanced talents.

[hybrid plover]

I can agree with Infiltrate being kinda shafted, but that can be worked on in the near future

Also, you're expressing an opinion about something. Someone is free to voice their opinion on your opinion, you know.

Vet has always been the class where you should prioritize specialists and that hasn't changed. If you do exactly that, the CDR nerf isn't that bad.

It's not even a matter of being "a good vet". Just doing the thing that vet is incentivized to do.

[gilded wraith]

Tactical Awareness: 100% Ability Cooldown Regeneration for 3s after you kill a Specialist Enemy.

Bruiser: 100% Ability Cooldown Regeneration for 3s after you or an Ally in Coherency kill an Elite Enemy.

Psykinetic Aura: 100% Ability Cooldown Regeneration for 3s after after you or an Ally in coherency kill a Specialist or an Elite Enemy.

Everyone will target specialists.

[rough adder]

Honestly one way to do it is have the CD regeneration rate different for each ult

[gilded wraith]

Agreed, and I phrased that poorly. You were 4 out of my 5 responses though.

[rough adder]

Which I always found kind of strange why that wasn't the case when tactical awareness was still -6 seconds

[gilded wraith]

Feels like we went right to the bottom of the barrel for cdr. I'm curious if it was a conscious decision, or if being significantly worse then two other mirrored talents on other classes was overlooked.

If shout was the culprit, I wish they would have just modified it.

[hybrid plover]

I think it was a conscious decision specifically because of Shout.

Problem is, they didn't consider how this would affect Infiltrate. It barely does anything to Executioner's Stance because of how it functions.

[gilded wraith]

Now we're roughly on the same page.

[rough adder]

Yes and no, everyone target specialist, but vet is a ranged focused class that has most of its ranged option be single target ones which means the most optimal play is specifically targeting specialists

[woeful junco]

NDA

[hybrid plover]

So they just need to up Infiltrate in some way to compensate or nerf Shout's cooldown entirely.

[gilded wraith]

Ah, fair... thought that ended when the patch rolled out. Makes sense that it's separate.

[hybrid plover]

I think we've always been. Just that Vet's mean of CDR isn't that bad sounding to me. But I do think Infiltrate needs some more love if they're going this route.

[hollow ibex]

infil will suffer forever

[woeful junco]

sometimes I lift the veil a little on discussions or lines of thinking that I was directly a part of but vet is not my wheelhouse so then I'd have to go look at what other people were saying in the playtest and that's a firm no-no. that NDA is indefinite

[rough adder]

I feel like infil on vet has always been having kind of an identity crisis

[shy ridge]

They should remove all CDR from the game so it doesn't become ability spam

[gilded wraith]

Specialists are a generally a priority target, so it's not like I'll be the only one aiming for them 😉

And with psykers and dogs spreading dots to half the screen, getting the actual kill is tricky.

[hybrid plover]

Ye, true, but the best way to play vet is to be the #1 specialist hater in the party.

I soundwhore those fuckers when I play vet so I'm usually the one getting the most kills on 'em

[woeful junco]

I think a certain level of CDR that scales with enemy density is a way to enhance the responsiveness of the players' toolkit as difficulty increases without letting players spam abilities in lower diffs, it's somewhat elegant. it's a matter of tuning the numbers. changing everything to cooldown rate buff instead of flat cooldown reductions is part of that

[hollow ibex]

infil is prob the only shit ability in the recent history of the game to become even shittier after a tree rework

[gilded wraith]

I play with a h40 quick twitch youngsters, they're getting most of the disabler kills.

[hybrid plover]

Even when I'm trying to fight a boss, I even hear a slither of the existence of a trapper and I'm putting my foot down and finding that pervert before she can ever bother.

[gilded wraith]

I expected the cdr update, just assumed the trigger would be brought closer in line to other classes.

[hybrid plover]

If anything, I think the one major issue with how this is playing out

Is the Arbites' EO keystone

[woeful junco]

as for special awareness, I would not be surprised if it was just changed to cooldown rate to fit that mold and the trigger condition wasnt touched for simplicity's sake and not for any particular deliberation. I don't know, lol

[hybrid plover]

Since that gives specifically that class wallhacks for those priority targets

Which, why the hell does it do that to begin with?

[rough adder]

Honestly I have an out of pocket idea for this issue
Just switch the CD of shout and infil around

[hybrid plover]

See, this sounds good

But uh

Also

I don't really want a stealth ability to be spammable

For pretty obvious reasons

I think they just need to make Infiltrate stronger as a whole

[woeful junco]

stealth abilities on low cooldowns has historically made speedrun shenanigans worse

[gilded wraith]

Doesn't need even need that, just add "or allies" like the other two.

[rough adder]

But yeah again infil doesn't get much value for being spammed a lot

[gilded wraith]

Posted it in reddit with the comparisons of the three... looking forward to being -120 by morning.

[distant mural]

Stealth is poopoo getting aggro on your teammates after running thru the entire level and pulling every enemy even more poopoo

[shy ridge]

Fatshark can't do that, also the only true real scaling with density a player should have is their own skill otherwise it becomes slop

[grand perch]

isnt that what zealot got now

repeat stealth on kills or sth

[regal belfry]

zealots cooldown reduction got shanged

[gilded wraith]

General reddit response was "screw stealth" "screw piss", but only on veterans...

[hybrid plover]

didn't hear about that but I do know they have a -% threat talent now

Which I have

Quite mixed feelings about.

I mean chorus isn't gonna be as spammable for sure.

[woeful junco]

if you need to kill things, that's not speedrunning.

speedrunning is when you ignore enemies entirely and just beeline through the level and break spawns

[woeful junco]

5s threat reduction after stealth, to make a backstabbing spree easier iirc

[hybrid plover]

I mean as long as the stealth player is actually killing things, I guess I'm okay with this.

And given that, it sounds like they're incentivized to actually do that more now.

I guess it does confuse me as to why Shroudfield got such a big glow up while Infiltrate was kinda left in the dust.

Because it does exacerbate the concerns about Tactical Awareness being nerfed the way it has.

[rough adder]

How about old tactical awareness but only when stealth kill

[woeful junco]

when in doubt, the answer is usually limited resources + prio

[hybrid plover]

That's what I figured.

[rough adder]

Because this update is secretly just execstance propaganda /s

[hybrid plover]

I guess that means Infiltrate is probably at least a consideration at the moment but given Vet already has shout and now Executioner's Stance being buffed, they're probably figuring out what to do about Infiltrate

[woeful junco]

I had an idea for infiltrate myself that I hope could be experimented with one day. lean into the ambush predator element and give it a Fear effect on unstealth, sending enemies running away from the vet for x seconds. proper positioning will allow you to hammer & anvil enemies into the arms of your team.

[hybrid plover]

That, would actually be a really interesting approach.

Especially if they can't attack while under the fear effect?

I could definitely see that being a worthwhile pick.

Even maybe a +% damage debuff to the enemies affected.

[gilded wraith]

Or just to drive someone close enough to a ledge for shenanigans.

[tepid otter]

Got so scared they wanted to jump off

[rough adder]

I had a very op idea of just dropping a zealot flash grenade on leaving stealth

[hybrid plover]

That's kinda what happens already though

The suppression on leaving stealth is actually pretty strong.

But it's not enough imho

[tepid otter]

Maybe a dmg boost upon enterting stealth

[hybrid plover]

That's a thing now

It's the 30% extra damage just baked into the class now.

[tepid otter]

Ooh, really? I haven't seen any of the new changes just yet

[hybrid plover]

It's the only thing that changed with Infiltrate really, unfortunately :(

[tepid otter]

What else is new

[hybrid plover]

Yeah Infiltrate is def getting the short end of the stick on this one

[tepid otter]

Never liked the skill even back then tbh

[hybrid plover]

It's fun but

I mean that's all I can say about it.

It's never been great and this update is doing it no favors.

Even with the consolidation of the 30% damage node

[gilded wraith]

Wonder if Ex-stance still counts down cooldown while active? TA change could screw with that a bit if not.

[hybrid plover]

It still counts down.

[tepid otter]

I fairly remember being carried by a Vet that did had it on this one time

I guess it takes a bit of getting used to

[gilded wraith]

That seems like the winner from the TA change then assuming a weapon that can maintain it.

[hybrid plover]

Yep. ES is kinda untouched by the change

[tepid otter]

What about VoC

[gilded wraith]

Unchanged, but probably up half or less as often.

[hybrid plover]

Well, unchanged in the upkeep sense since assuming you kill your targets, you'll just end up at another charge soon enough

But it got the toughness buff too lol

Honestly.

I kinda wanna try it with weapon specialist

And see if I can make a pure dps monster vet.

[gilded wraith]

Toughness is nice. I miss that Total Damage Reduction they're throwing out like candy.

[hybrid plover]

Executioner's Stance

on double barrel

[hybrid plover]

Nope. Still an Arby thing

😔

[blazing jetty]

I want the "night vision" effect on infiltrate to actually work

instead of making visibility worse

[crimson garden]

Do we like the new falchion?

[midnight wyvern]

everyone seems content with it other than Bath

its unyield and cara damage is apparently kinda ass

but also, PS is nuts with the new tree so kinda no point switching to it lol

[lucid dune]

thats what suppressing is meant to do, isnt it? make enemies run away from the suppressing source?
but most enemies just dont give a shit about it anyways

[normal bay]

Sounds like a Heavy sword with an on button

[lucid dune]

i like infiltrate stealth bomber though, and with better placed grenade perks its gonna be awesome

[topaz lance]

I am a prophet

A god damn prophet

[midnight wyvern]

that suppression immunity by default is gonna be so nice

[midnight wyvern]

we alr know you work at fatshark man

smh

[topaz lance]

I wish, Swedish labour law sounds great for employees overall.

[normal bay]

You cannot handle the truth

In fact, it might be worse, without the high stagger special

[teal canyon]

Suppression rarely makes a difference when it's you who received it. But hey, buff is a buff

[midnight wyvern]

it can make some situations annoying when you have 20 shooters and 10 gunners shooting in your general direction to kill

and going to them 1 by 1 with a non braced weapon

💀

[teal canyon]

The Accuracy vet did need to be buffed anyway

[midnight wyvern]

Bolter moves plenty from suppression, Ilas the supp immunity was a must take

it is a good change

[teal canyon]

Bolter did not need to hit the head to shut up the angry shooting mob

But yes, I'll take it

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-annoyed-gif-6933953768390079199

[teal canyon]

No complaints from me.

[topaz lance]

Bolter with Weapon Specialist will be interesting with the swap speed buff.

[teal canyon]

They made sniping less of a pain = more build variety

[midnight wyvern]

it still looks to be leaning the way of VoC and WS but, you'll have more points to go elsewhere atleast

[teal canyon]

Guess I'm out of melee vet riding a shotgun

I unironicaly played as scout with ex stance and shotgun

[topaz lance]

Double Barrel?

[teal canyon]

Both

DB with wepspec, and combat with pointer

[topaz lance]

My all time favorite vet build is exe stace, WS and double barrel. I'll rebuild it this patch, gonna be awesome

Going full sicko mode

[teal canyon]

Ah yes, scout TF2 build enjoyer

Too bad ex stance don't activate weap spec

At least before this patch. Maybe they fixed it

[midnight wyvern]

@steep flower big

[willow prairie]

chain weapon might be good

[topaz lance]

oh that was fixed some time ago actually!

[normal bay]

Are there weapon buffs in the patch? I didn't see them mentioned in the blog

[midnight wyvern]

no

[teal canyon]

Chain weapons only quality is to rev-change-change-rev for 20% constant speed boost for me

[teal canyon]

The last time I played was in August and bug was present still.

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah there will be some buffs. Seems mainly to helbore and chain weapons

[topaz lance]

Really, huh. I remember testing this in the Psykanium like half a year ago and it working. Maybe it just doesn't work in game?

[queen sky]

Ha ha chainsword EVEN BETTER

I haven't had a chance to look at the update, still commuting home, are we back or are we still coping?

[midnight wyvern]

paul too

[pseudo fiber]

Back

We back

[topaz lance]

4/5s back

[midnight wyvern]

nah update bad

[queen sky]

Thankyou veteran hivemind very clear and helpful

[pseudo fiber]

We're the worst hivemind

[midnight wyvern]

zealot chat exists

[queen sky]

Why are we back? Why aren't we back?

[teal canyon]

Really obnoxious when you kill a bunch with a melee, activate and this guy starts reloading instead of pulverizing mob of ragers

[midnight wyvern]

WS side gives you a practically free 70% damage boost

[pseudo fiber]

New skill tree is good the falchion is like fine that's the good and the bad

Vet has reduced Stam delay and inbuilt suppression immunity

[queen sky]

I got addicted to the relic blade when i switched off Vet, how well does falchion compare?

[pseudo fiber]

It'll be fine for horde clear into mixed hordes it's not great at Carapace

[queen sky]

To be expected tbh

[pseudo fiber]

It stays activated longer than the relic blade though

[queen sky]

Oooh

Less reach though i assume?

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah

The big thing that actually matters is all the auric changes imho

[normal bay]

More Helbore buffs?!

Oh yeah, the sights

[pseudo fiber]

Hey its a buff!

[normal bay]

Don't get me wrong, this is a huge buff

[queen sky]

I didn't see that mentioned on the update news? What'd they do?

[normal bay]

No more pinging to see where the enemies are

[queen sky]

More zoom, or?

[midnight wyvern]

captains can spawn, hordes are on timers, moebian 21st can spawn, mutated hordes can spawn

[normal bay]

Better iron sights I think..not sure on details

[pseudo fiber]

• Hordes are now timer based not progression based
• Captains can now spawn
• Mutated hordes and Moebian 21st can both spawn
• "more stuff"

[midnight wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172931856916807791/1386046428350255206/thebiter.gif

[native ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1131514445047287848/1419945268832374856/cat-cat-bonk.mp4?ex=68d39a95&is=68d24915&hm=f0ccf5b84802c2f5c7d3043a659c08d4578c5f44057ee9845c313531780f4a80&

[queen sky]

Wait, i thought hordes were always timer based? The more you dawdled the more opportunities for the game to spawn horseshit?

[normal bay]

More varied hordes too apparently.

Less big packs of the same enemy

[queen sky]

Oh fuck yes

That is a problem

[midnight wyvern]

nup

[queen sky]

I hate two dozen maulers at once

Or three dozen gunners

[queen sky]

Is there a news source for this im not seeing

I must be missing something

[pseudo fiber]

Playtesters mainly

[queen sky]

Ahh ok that explains a lot

[pseudo fiber]

https://youtu.be/-LZkMIwpDYc?si=htDnoyNTF9AS9Kh4

If you've got time

[grand perch]

Even more captains? Urgh

Most boring boss imo

[midnight wyvern]

id rather them over normal monstrosities lol

[queen sky]

Ty

[midnight wyvern]

gives good reason to the high single target hit weapons

[queen sky]

Will watch when i get home

Man i hope vet is back because i really liked playing a FT support build at Heresy and below

I had to drop it and convert to the church of ogryn for Auric

[midnight wyvern]

[normal bay]

What if Captains rocked up as a normal enemy but without a shield? Would make them more interesting

[grand perch]

Dead in 5 seconds

[normal bay]

Longer than most enemies

[grand perch]

Shield is the only thing making them so tedious to kill

[midnight wyvern]

just look at twins lol

falls over cuz no shield gating

imagine that but auric lol

[floral creek]

Is this puncture and shattering impact?

[midnight wyvern]

ye

now imagine if it was headshots

[normal bay]

I wonder is lethal prox grenade abuse going to get even crazier with the new BP variant

[rancid egret]

I have a las daka build in mind

[spark helm]

Hardly abuse at that point and more like synergy

[midnight wyvern]

got all the nade talents that're easily stackable now

pretty much get all of them for fwee

and if you're wanting more AoE shit, BP variant gonna help but its not gonna make lethal prox any different lol

I wonder if they'll buff the assassination target captains

doubt it

[spark helm]

Been waiting for better grenadier possibilities for ages now so I'm excited for these new talent spreads.

[midnight wyvern]

yo

[umbral scaffold]

Spearhead Boltgun detailed changes

Locke Mk IIb
Ammo reserves from 100 to 90
(Magazine unchanged at 15)

[midnight wyvern]

early ass drop

fucking pog

[mortal aspen]

What the sigma?

[pseudo fiber]

Check the ogryn stam change

[willow prairie]

is there any additional info compare to yesterday

[crude wind]

yep. Also stam regen delay from 1-0.75 and suppression immunity baked in

[pseudo fiber]

Pretty much all the specifics of the changes to the base classes (zealot got more base toughness and arbites got less for 3xample)

[willow prairie]

also mods

[stoic hound]

where can I see the change list ?

[willow prairie]

anyone figure what causing crash fr

[pseudo fiber]

In #📢news-bulletin

[stoic hound]

thank you !

[sterile phoenix]

Shotguns doing okay?

[grand perch]

The damage curve will now be more differentiated depending on the armour type of the enemy:

On armoured types, the damage will be skewed more towards the final instance, simulating the chain blade finally ripping through the enemy defences (e.g. Flak or Carapace armour)
Conversely, the damage will be immediately much higher on less-armoured types as the chain teeth immediately bites into the flesh (e.g. Unarmoured, Maniac, Unyielding)

so chain weapons against armor are still ass because the damage is on the final instance and you have to risk getting overheaded by their buddies

very cool

[pseudo fiber]

"However, the ‘“Last Stand” Vostroyan Lasgun’ skin has been further tweaked to place the aim position at the very top of the front sight"

[versed osprey]

nice first roll

[willow prairie]

chat anyone figure out what mod causing crash yet

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-22320613

[pseudo fiber]

Maybe best to ask in the modding server

[willow prairie]

yeah no lol

ofc i have 30 less fps after update wtf is this

[midnight wyvern]

5$ its scoreboard

[umbral scaffold]

nope, didnt have that one still was crashing
and i got shit like numericui, healthbars and thats it

[midnight wyvern]

take them out 1 at a time

lol

[woeful junco]

It could be DMF itself

[umbral scaffold]

i did, in the end i just yeeted the mods

[hybrid plover]

I'm thinking it's DMF too

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1419979262907256882/image.png?ex=68d3ba3e&is=68d268be&hm=ae10e364159ad46b8b56cabe075446756ecc2fc37c39978cf1ba5cc9d03df900&

[mortal aspen]

BABY GAME

🫃

[midnight wyvern]

lmao

they not changing eviserator?

[short vapor]

It got the sticky attack changes but it just got some balancing so nothing crazy this patch.

[willow prairie]

holy shit vet is positive stamina when run sliding nopw

[umbral scaffold]

veterans everywhere

[crude wind]

are we still dooming or have we perked up yet?>

[pseudo fiber]

I'm in work so I'm dooming about thay does that count?

[willow prairie]

vet feal so much better after stamina change

[crude wind]

no, you genuinely seem more positive than most in here 🙂

[versed osprey]

Idk how to build my new power falchion. Feels a bit underwelming against armoured enemies

[pseudo fiber]

It looks fun. I wanna try the power falchion out even if number calculations from pre update seem so so. Again if its havoc 40 viable then that's fine for mw

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah it's cara is low you're probably gonna need 25% Carapace on it

[versed osprey]

also no lvl20 masterie skin?

mastery*

[mortal aspen]

uhh what the fuck

I'm just testing Taxe in the psyk and the damage seems fucking bonkers

[native ocean]

skirmisher is good now, god fucking bless

[mortal aspen]

with the right side of the tree

[short vapor]

It should be fairly tasteful. Normal power sword wins out for burst damage still, power falchion is good for sustained performance particularly for crowds.

[mortal aspen]

1000 damage crits into crushers with lights 💀

[queen sky]

what is the "stacking interval" mentioned in the patch nodes for Focus Target? is that the time to ready another stack?

ah, looks like it is going off gameslantern

[trim fiber]

What do you guys think the best blessing combo for falchion is at first glance?

[queen sky]

oh my god they've killed Focus Target builds lmao

Target Down! didn't get a buff, did it?

[trim fiber]

Also I am happy getting a new power weapon with the newer mechanics baked into it but I still wish they'd go back and change the munitorum power swords too. I don't feel like there's any reason not to make this change eventually.

[tepid otter]

Update live?

[trim fiber]

Yes

[queen sky]

update is live, downloading now

[tepid otter]

Neato

[devout coral]

anyone else having issues with stores not showing stock?

[queen sky]

this for sure felt like a kind of halfway step

[mortal aspen]

damn, the magnetism is kinda crazy

on the kraks

[trim fiber]

I'm interested in trying kraks out now

Plus 1 charge and shorter fuse time?? Let's goo

[mortal aspen]

feels really good in psyk

and still oneshots auric crushers

[pseudo fiber]

There will never be a power sword rework

[eternal venture]

You want to really fuck up your vision with Infil?

Use a stimm right when you activate it

Your screen will go all smeary for the entire duration

[trim fiber]

Ah I see that makes sense then.

[eternal venture]

I've reported it before and I still don't think it's fixed 🙁

[short vapor]

I think Fatshark would sooner remove a class than do anything that could possibly upset Power Sword users again

[pseudo fiber]

Call that shit mixing drugs and alcohol

[trim fiber]

That'll be really nice honestly now that kraks are hopefully useful, that lets us build into not super armor penetrating weapons if we don't want to. Then we have kraks to deal with large squads of armor.

[scenic solstice]

anybody got a good build for power falchion

[pseudo fiber]

I'm gonna guess

Shredders, survivalist, VoC, weapon spec

[pale pecan]

Go for crits, Decap, Mark Target.

[eternal venture]

Probably the cleave blessing and then your choice

Maniac + Unyielding

[scenic solstice]

this new talent system confusing me ngl

[eternal venture]

So who's going to use infiltrate in Havoc 40

🙂

[mortal aspen]

Grenade Tinkerer might be needed for Havoc now?

[trim fiber]

Funny enough in terms of veteran changes I am really just looking most forward to baked in suppression immunity, and .75 stamina regen. Also getting new talents for melee damage buffs on Veteran, and moving things like trench fighter upwards on the tree I feel like these are things veteran has been desperately needing for so long now

[crude wind]

since last patch. imo probs his best melee

[trim fiber]

Also I called them making while engagement apart of weapon specialist eventually

[eternal venture]

For Kraks and Shredders, probably yeah

[mortal aspen]

I think this part of the tree is a bit awkward

I don't really want any of these talents

[crude wind]

what are you on about? it got buffed?

[scenic solstice]

yeah exactly

[eternal venture]

For Smokes, I tend to find the extra duration unnecessary

[scenic solstice]

its confusing me

[eternal venture]

YOU WANT FIELD IMPROV

YOU DO

[scenic solstice]

on what build i wnat

[woeful junco]

You already got it. It's called power falchion

[crude wind]

agree, it needs more work

but i always take field improv

[mortal aspen]

well ok, yeah, for Havoc I'll take it

[eternal venture]

It's actually buffed overall

[crude wind]

it's nice in Havoc

[trim fiber]

Field improv is fire

Change my mind

[eternal venture]

You have a slightly lower damage cap, but you also build stacks of Focus Target MUCH faster

[queen sky]

Redirect Fire appears to have stayed where it is

[eternal venture]

it's a huge QoL

not even QoL, just a straight-up buff

[crude wind]

difference in damage cap is literally 2%

[scenic solstice]

yall got any like FULL Builds with falchion? (guns, talents, etc)

[queen sky]

mostly i'm unhappy about Target Down being left behind

[eternal venture]

Yeah it's basically nothing

[scenic solstice]

this talent system is fuqin me

[crude wind]

but you get stacks quicker and more benefit from each stack

[eternal venture]

Yeah Target Down going untouched is a little sad

[coarse rose]

Sooo... No keystone vet is still best vet?

[eternal venture]

No need to change your mind

Field Improv saves runs in havoc

[queen sky]

with how fragile Vet is (was?), Target Down was a huge source of regen for me

[eternal venture]

Vet can take keystones now

well, you always could

but they're even more attractive now

[trim fiber]

Anyone gonna try Marksman's Focus keystone at all now that the movement penalty was cut out, or do we still think it's poopy

[crude wind]

I don't understand you here

its better now

[coarse rose]

Yeah, but there's so much good stuff and I don't think the keystones are a better pick.

[short vapor]

Yeah the pathing design there is really odd.

[trim fiber]

My favorite has always been weapon specialist

[mortal aspen]

2 amazing toughness regen talents are literally the first two talents on the tree

it's good

[eternal venture]

MMF got buffed overall, but Weapons Specialist looks bonkers

[mortal aspen]

Confirmed Kill + Out for Blood = infinite toughness

[eternal venture]

Pretty sure the only weapons that want to go left side is Helbores, and you can still go the other two clusters anyway

[coarse rose]

WS was and is good. I just don't like that I have to micro-manage my weapon swaps

[trim fiber]

Tell me about it, I absolutely called it they were gonna make agile engagement apart of weapon specialist

[coarse rose]

"Better not reload now or I lose my WS stacks"

[crude wind]

IAG, VAG

[coarse rose]

"Better not switch to melee yet, I want to keep my stacks"

[eternal venture]

Oh yeah and the autoguns

[crude wind]

and the shitty ILG too

XD

[eternal venture]

Probably Recons too, for Shock Trooper

[trim fiber]

Hmm...now all Veteran needs is a heavy Stubber or hotshot las and were golden

Although how on terra have we still not even gotten a plasma pistol yet

[mortal aspen]

what is reloading?

I play DB

[midnight wyvern]

ayo we have a list, this is only gonna be used to get twins BUT

it exists

[pseudo fiber]

What would it do

[trim fiber]

It would be a plasma gun, in pistol form

[slate ocean]

why the shop is closed?

[midnight wyvern]

arb cosmetics

[eternal venture]

tbf you could say the same thing about the bolter pistol

and we got that too

[slate ocean]

no the weapon shop

[eternal venture]

and it fills a completely different niche from the regular bolter

[midnight wyvern]

arb cosmetics

[pseudo fiber]

Issue with the plasma gun is it has a fast draw speed

High pen high ammo high damage

[midnight wyvern]

also its not closed I literally just bought like 20 something Falchions and maxed it lol

[trim fiber]

I thought they said they were gonna nerf the plasma at some point tho?

[slate ocean]

for me it just show nothing

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah but they seem to be reconsidering the changes for now

[slim hamlet]

Is it sensible to rename my vet Tarkus? New changes make it so tanky

[slate ocean]

bruh

[trim fiber]

Probably gonna see how it performs with the talent tree rework before making a final decision on the plasma gun

[midnight wyvern]

reload it

[slim hamlet]

And in addition born leader helps make team tank too

[stiff glacier]

brunts broke

[midnight wyvern]

arb cosmetics will be in there

[stiff glacier]

no more guns

[slate ocean]

this is the second time i reload the game

[slim hamlet]

HDD?

[elder vessel]

they fucking ruined my boy grenade tinkerer

[midnight wyvern]

do it again

[elder vessel]

that placement is probably the most unfortunate possible in the entire tree

[midnight wyvern]

how lol

[elder vessel]

its under close and kill

[slim hamlet]

All 3 of those nodes feel mandatory

[queen sky]

this is a backend issue, your game client is having trouble pulling the list of available guns from the server

[elder vessel]

aka 5% movespeed

[queen sky]

you might also have issues with other inventory menus

[slate ocean]

this is ideal ,yes?

[slim hamlet]

Can be used at the same time I like the nodes being next to each other

[pseudo fiber]

Just get demo stockpile?

[slate ocean]

when im in the op menus it flashed fetching for item or something like that

[eternal venture]

Servers are probably overloaded right now with everyone logging in

It happens every update

[crude wind]

it's a one point dip lol. I assume everyone is taking stockpile

[pseudo fiber]

If you're taking tinkerer surely you're taking stockpile too?

[analog yacht]

after spending points in the tree my preliminary take is that you just get all the skills lol

[pseudo fiber]

Can we confirm the Falchion doesn't have a mastery skin?

[thick rose]

autogun time

[eternal venture]

Ahh, my favorite part of new weapons: buying tons of them, upgrading them, then sacrificing them to Hadron just so I can get Mastery 20

[thick rose]

which rank is good to sac?

[eternal venture]

green/blue is most efficient afaik

[midnight wyvern]

green

[eternal venture]

it will save your wrist many clicks, anyway

[pseudo fiber]

Green

[thick rose]

the one time I hope I dont roll 60 mob first time XD

[midnight wyvern]

there is no mastery difference between green and gold

[tepid otter]

Any perk nodes worth getting on the vet, been a while since I last played

[pseudo fiber]

We're still figuring it out

[tepid otter]

Fair enough, I'll just wing it

[queen sky]

power level is the only thing that determines how much mastery a weapon adds when sacrificing it - and it has to be at least Green, so just feed Hadron a shitload of cheap green weapons

[thick rose]

think I gotta sharpshoot an agripp auto

[tepid otter]

Wanna test out the new boltgun, does anyone know how its different to the IIIb

[eternal venture]

Bigger explosion radius, slower rate of fire when hipfired iirc

[pulsar crescent]

More explosion rather than direct damage

I don't see mastery skin on new falchion 😭

[tepid otter]

Is the new Boltpistol the same

[pulsar crescent]

Yeah

[tepid otter]

Noice, thanks

[daring sage]

anyone has a hellbore build i am terrible at making builds

[tepid otter]

Had an old screenshot saved, but idk how that will do with the new changes honestly

[pseudo fiber]

I'm probably going to try this

[pulsar crescent]

I love new executioner stance with updated keystone with infantry lasgun, but well, I'm not a "Havoc" player(just stopped playing it after getting armor) so IDK how it will go there

[crude wind]

have tested it at 40, and achieved the most damage on the team

Hellebore 3

[tepid otter]

Im like trying to see the new ones too

[zealous jolt]

As in most damage taken?

[crude wind]

no most damage dealt

[tepid otter]

Wouldnt it be most dmg dealt

[zealous jolt]

I’m jking

[hybrid plover]

I would try to trade something there for skirmisher

The glow up is crazy

[crude wind]

tested with Zealot, Ogryn, Psyker as team mates

[hybrid plover]

it has so much uptime now

[pseudo fiber]

Where is skirmishers?

[pulsar crescent]

Do you think infantry lasgun will stand a chance on Havoc? Because I desperately want to play with normal lasgun guy, but IDK how it will be on that mode. I also don't want to be useless

[elder vessel]

damn I swung the chainsword once and my game crashed

[zealous jolt]

does the new bolter mark beat plasma gun?

[pseudo fiber]

Powerful

[hybrid plover]

Above Exploit Weakness

in the bottom right

[pseudo fiber]

Damn

[woven vigil]

I realize I may be asking a bit too early since it just came out but: Falchion dump stat mobility or Heat Management/Power Output?

[pseudo fiber]

Goodbye one motion 🤣

[pseudo fiber]

Mobikity

[hybrid plover]

I tried playing with it and the damage buffs together are bonkers

[elder vessel]

mobility its always mobility why wouldnt it be mobility

[woven vigil]

aight, mobility it is

asking since it works on a same power up mechanic like relic sword, I got a bunch of Zealots tell me once that I should dump heat management

[short sinew]

this seems like a good place to start

[woven vigil]

ofc I dont play zealot that much, so I dont know how good that advice is lol

[tepid otter]

Decap sounds broken

[pseudo fiber]

I'm probably gonna try energy leakage decapatator

[eternal venture]

Decap looks like the old Brutal Momentum with extra steps (which is fine)

[woven vigil]

off to make some work

[neon terrace]

Decapitator has triggering issues because you have to kill enemies that haven't been hit by anything elsew.

[eternal venture]

Ahh, good to know

Still wish Infil had gotten some more love (even though I'd been wanting them to bake the 30% damage buff into the base skill for ages)

imo they should have given Infiltrate the Shroudfield treatment, except you would suppress enemies by killing them at range

At least Exe Stance looks juicy now

[hybrid plover]

smoke stocks are in the stars 📈

[mortal aspen]

what are the main differences between Helbore 3 and 4?

[eternal venture]

Smokes are even better now!

[merry coral]

Wait did they fix the weird ADS issues with bolts ??

[hybrid plover]

They feel really good to use now with that throw delay decrease

[eternal venture]

Yeaaah that tiny change actually looked super nice

[floral creek]

So uhhhhhhhhhh

What's the dump stat for the new sword?

[hybrid plover]

Helbore 3 is faster firing, doesn't hold up against carapace as well, but still does considerable damage to anything that isn't carapace

[pseudo fiber]

Mobility

[hybrid plover]

Helbore 4 is slower but hits like a truck and can actually hit carapace decently well

[ornate glen]

Bayonet attack, fire rate, damage output, ammo consumption.

[floral creek]

Thank you

[hybrid plover]

Helbore 3 has the bayonet you can actually use. Helbore 4 doesn't.

[ornate glen]

And, fun fact, helbore 4 can't be overheated.

[hybrid plover]

Huh

[analog yacht]

takes on mk1 vs mk3b

[hybrid plover]

...When have the helbores overheatted?

[tepid otter]

I didnt know Helbore could overheat

Is that new?

[ornate glen]

Visual effect of yellow-hot barrel after long time shooting.

[hybrid plover]

Ohhhh.

Alright I thought you meant like

Plasma overheat

[tepid otter]

So its not actually overheating? ..or?

[hybrid plover]

Not the visual effect.

[heavy rover]

Oh damn games lantern has already been updated

[ornate glen]

Not actually, no game mechanics are affected by that.

[broken reef]

we dont have to crabwalk?

[heavy rover]

Yep

[hybrid plover]

yep!

[crude wind]

no it just works now

[broken reef]

FUCK YES

[merry coral]

oh I missed that one

that's MASSIVE

[crude wind]

been saying since yesterday, MMF is super strong now

[merry coral]

damn

[ornate glen]

And even weaker if you're facing a captain.

[broken reef]

we dont have to set roots now

[merry coral]

it's all positive now

[midnight wyvern]

did they mean to nerf bolter reserves?

if so

rude

[pseudo fiber]

Ye

100 > 90

[midnight wyvern]

tyty

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/651502381183533077/1413117472856604692/f8214d6e_540.gif

[hybrid plover]

bolter feels

so good to use with one motion

[midnight wyvern]

18 round magdump is

[broken reef]

if you check the stomach of your nearest ogryn you can find the missing 10

[midnight wyvern]

and the kraks are putting in work

[hybrid plover]

the class just feels

snappier

[midnight wyvern]

yeah

50% swap speed thats easy to get

my beloved

[crude wind]

I think Kraks with Tinkerer will be meta, especially in havoc. don't need tinkerer outside of havoc atm though

[midnight wyvern]

and having trench fighter in my build

god I love it

[tepid otter]

Is it just me or theres like no items on the store

when buying new weaps

[broken reef]

its refusing to update vehemently, i am waiting on it

[merry coral]

yeah

[hybrid plover]

weapon specialist making it that you don't even need tactical reload for a snappy reload anymore

absolutely love to see that

[midnight wyvern]

mine worked

[hybrid plover]

this update has been very kind to bolter vet

[midnight wyvern]

[merry coral]

MMF on recon lasgun yeeeeeeeeee

I'll actually use a keystone now

and easy field improv is very nice

[turbid ibex]

Yooo bad north pfp

[eternal venture]

Think I'm still going to use Focus Target on Helbore

but MMF is looking tasty

[broken reef]

2% nerf on max stacks at the cost of having it recharge 12% faster is solid

[midnight wyvern]

helps against boss

[turbid ibex]

Keep in mind the lower max stacks also makes it even faster

[midnight wyvern]

they're really nice quick staggers with alot of damage behind them too

[turbid ibex]

6/9 seconds compared to the old 10/16

[eternal venture]

Yeah the uptime is way higher on Focus Target now

[broken reef]

my smile went up like the fucking grinch

[turbid ibex]

Also ngl im glad bolter's ammo reserves are now a multiple of the mag size

That always bothered me lmao

[broken reef]

[eternal venture]

You're gonna need that slide for the plasma gunners

[broken reef]

i rebound my crouch to c from ctrl long ago to not break my pinkie finger in half already, im good

[midnight wyvern]

true

shouldve gone to 145 before

[merry coral]

speaking of, the plasma gun was untouched

[tepid otter]

How do you use this new Falchion lmao, kinda weird

[sterile phoenix]

Just gonna wait for people far smarter than I to develop builds-

[merry coral]

Thought they would nerf it also

[topaz scroll]

Krak is so bak

[analog yacht]

1. take every increase damage skill
2. infinite toughness bc kruber shout
3. still worse than arbites rashad

[floral creek]

What are veteran builds gonna look like now?

[analog yacht]

oop replied to the wrong person but still applies probably

[dense river]

Hey guys, I have a low level veteran character I made before update and when I logged init said I unlocked some avatar frame from pennance. But as soon as I click the avatar frame tab my game crashes. This has happened over 5 times, any fix?

[floral creek]

I've played so much big guy, ogryn builds are largely unchanged with this update

[broken reef]

they gave sights to the marksman weapon, i can finally use hellbore without guessing my shots holy shit

[analog yacht]

idk they just put a ton of vets best skills in the middle of the tree so you get to take all of them

[topaz scroll]

I've never been a vet player really but even i noticed they got rid of a lot of random point tax. Or at least replaced it with good skills you would be taking anyway

[broken reef]

you power up regardless and get to pick your specialty after, ensuring all vet builds have some sort of base stable power to go off of

[analog yacht]

remains to be seen if we can stack enough damage talents to make vet good on h40 but vet definitely still just mops auric

[turbid ibex]

I mean

+70% damage

[analog yacht]

i guess i should've said "i didn't crunch the numbers on if there's enough damage stacking"

i'd be surprised to see arbites rashad beat out tho

[turbid ibex]

Yee

[lunar walrus]

is the new mortis map available?

or later?

[queen sky]

it's available

[lunar walrus]

tyvm

[queen sky]

so does Veteran actually have DR and survivability on par with the other classes now?

or is it still way too fragile to be reliable?

[midnight wyvern]

it both is fragile and never was

hope this helps

[queen sky]

explain

[midnight wyvern]

it has gold and alot of ways to regen tougho

plus iron will

and the coherency TDR

[frigid shuttle]

Voc spam op

[queen sky]

yeah but the problem is that without the DR of Ogryn or Zealot the Veteran was unable to regen fast enough

[midnight wyvern]

no

[eternal venture]

You're vulnerable to oneshots without gold armor up

[midnight wyvern]

so is everyone other than arb

[serene bough]

How lovely they added grenade to kraks

[midnight wyvern]

lol

[broken reef]

i no longer have to schizophrenically mumble numbers to myself midfight, massive

[midnight wyvern]

lowered fuze too

[eternal venture]

but you can sustain a lot of chip damage through the various toughness regen talents

of which exe stance is one of them

[eternal venture]

yes and no

[serene bough]

Yes I approve now I no longer need to be taxed for the grenade

[eternal venture]

ogryn is ogryn, zealot has lots of damage reduction and cheat death

Vet and Psyker are in that "tons of toughness regen but sometimes you just pop" boat

Surprised Grit didn't get nerfed on Arb tbh

[midnight wyvern]

I raise you

crystilline will

just pop yourself first

[turbid ibex]

I lower you

[midnight wyvern]

I put you in the middle

[eternal venture]

I haven't messed with the new Crystalline Will yet. I'm guessing you still take the full wound damage, just no corruption

[queen sky]

yeah chip damage was never an issue for vet, even before this update - it's the inability to weather short-term bursts that was the real issue, and made Veteran feel inconsistient and made of tissue paper on Damnation and above. I'm asking whether that's still an issue for the class

[turbid ibex]

I am fine with that arrangement

[turbid ibex]

Iron will is now pretty much free to take

[serene bough]

Ooo and tinkerer added more damage to krak grenades

This is lovely

[eternal venture]

I think that'll always be a problem for vet since it's by design

But you have more ways to survive now

[turbid ibex]

Same for the up to 33% tdr from allies in coherency

[eternal venture]

Iron Will is a free pickup in the new tree

[thick rose]

shitty self build marksmans focus vigilant autogun with voc and all the grenade talents was fun in a quick auric

[mortal aspen]

3 notes:
New Auric Histg is fucking amazing
Helbore with One Motion is not cancer to use
Exe stance is GIGA

[queen sky]

gotcha, ty. will feel out the tree for myself then

[broken reef]

now your average psykers response to being ganged up on by 7 ragers is to violently detonate

[midnight wyvern]

same

[eternal venture]

cute

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-space-kamikaze-explosion-gif-15875063139611313358

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/terry-crews-old-spice-mind-blown-head-explode-omg-gif-14394360

[broken reef]

nope, no damage if you can take any elite enemy with you

[eternal venture]

Oh wow

[frail citrus]

Rip focus fire

[eternal venture]

That's actually nice then

[frail citrus]

all will be forced to take weapon spec

[eternal venture]

Does it have a cooldown?

[turbid ibex]

Doesnt say it does

[eternal venture]

Focus Fire and MMF are fine

WS is nutty though

[broken reef]

nope, you are limited by how fast you can make peril and how many elites you can find to kill

[frail citrus]

nerfed into ground

[eternal venture]

Wowzers

[frail citrus]

vet is UNPLAYABLE

deleting the game

GG

[broken reef]

"MY BELOVED SAYS WITNESS ME"

https://tenor.com/view/atomic-civilization-explosion-nuke-gif-21530280