veteran-class

[stoic hound]

I hope the new aoe bolter actually applies shattering impact stacks with its explosion like the ogryn rumbler does

[quiet valley]

Stfu DD pskyer

[red robin]

Imagine if the puncture bleed applied

[willow prairie]

mmf is good but the path is ass

[faint beacon]

@quiet valley

[quiet valley]

??

[stoic hound]

It would be actually so fun

[willow prairie]

precision strike if probably the one thing that good

[midnight wyvern]

It should AoE apply puncture, that'd be balanced

[quiet valley]

IM CRYING

[eternal venture]

I like exec team highlights!

[bold sierra]

i'm cool with that tbh, but let's hope my aim reticle thingy mod doesnt break when patch hits lol

[quiet valley]

WHAT

[faint beacon]

Right side is so fucking stacked is mainly why MMF isn’t looking great

[eternal venture]

Makes finding stuff to kill in h40 hordes much easier

[willow prairie]

middle too

[bold sierra]

that looks kinda good, no?

[eternal venture]

MMF is looking great

but so is right side

[faint beacon]

Kinda

[red robin]

Shredder frag as a ranged weapon would be goofy

[faint beacon]

Clear sight picture

[stoic hound]

I mean ogryn's rumbler would still be giga better than it even if it did so

[quiet valley]

New sights look assss

[stoic hound]

I can hopen it does

[quiet valley]

MKIV Helbore Irons my beloved

What have they done

[faint beacon]

Wait wait

[bold sierra]

wym it has a lot more space to see tho

[faint beacon]

Scab theres hope

[tall torrent]

yea the pathing is atrocious lol

[faint beacon]

The skins

[red robin]

What cosmetics we getting?

[faint beacon]

The skins might be untouched

[red robin]

Any weapon skins

[midnight wyvern]

It's pretty dumb for AoE stagger as is, I'm just curious how well it does against patrols of stuff, can it just nuke a group of shotgunners, that'd be great

[bold sierra]

I use the black helbore skin anyway lol

[quiet valley]

Any tree posted on Gameslantern yet or?

[bold sierra]

with the triangle box thing sight

[upbeat rapids]

no, you have to watch yout*ber videos if you want to see that

[tall torrent]

no

[quiet valley]

LAME

[tall torrent]

but I've already seen it from video

left bottom is ass

[faint beacon]

Suicide watch

[bold sierra]

MMF's path doesnt really look that bad, given that there's a lot of points freed up with the rework it shouldnt be bad

[quiet valley]

I saw glimpses of it, there’s Marksman, Killzone, MMF looks good, is it really that bad?

Rip, we’ll see

[tall torrent]

bottom right has
15%Mdmg + reciprocity + desperado + agile engagement + 25 toughness + skirmisher + exploit weakness + WS + OYT

you decide if marksman + KZ is good enough to match this

[stoic hound]

It looks ridiculously good yeah, you'll melt bosses with that

[mortal aspen]

the 15% melee damage generic node is hilarious

[bold sierra]

depends ont he build tbh, I barely ever touch right path on vet anyway, would love to have Onslaught but meh

[quiet valley]

Another patch another push into Hybrid Class I sleep

I’m just here to shoot shit

[frigid shuttle]

you will melee and you will enjoy it!

[tall torrent]

hybrid is best

[stoic hound]

I have always loved mk6 power sword melee vet

very good, and it will be even better with the rework

[quiet valley]

I been clearing H40s with pretty much 80% ranged and and 20% Melee

Just don’t even engage with poxwalkers at this point

[mortal aspen]

they buffed ranged too

[eternal venture]

The strongest ranged survivability talents are much easier to get now too

[stoic hound]

I've done both range and melee specialists, and both are good, but obviously I was spamming voc the whole time every time so...

[bold sierra]

legit I dont see why MMF left branch is bad to you guys lmao, we'll probably have plenty of points left for a lot of nodes on the other branch

[stoic hound]

nah it looks good

marksman + precision strike is ridiculous already

[tall torrent]

everything below precision strikes is meh or niche

[midnight wyvern]

gettiug exhilerating takedown without having to path through longshot:

[tall torrent]

marksman got nerfed since tac awareness is made less op which indirectly nerfs all red nodes

[quiet valley]

We will see when the update drops

[tall torrent]

25% reserve ammo is still a mandatory path for some reason

[eternal venture]

Yeah we eatin good

[tall torrent]

which means if u want shock trooper ur forced to double down on ammo

[eternal venture]

Yeah that's my only gripe so far

[hollow ibex]

And longshit got hell of a glow up

[quiet valley]

That’s fine, it affects your survivalist drops so

[midnight wyvern]

true that

[eternal venture]

Because weapons that use shock trooper... don't need more ammo

lol

[midnight wyvern]

but exhilarating is pretty strong

30% tdr for 3 headshots

wowie

[tall torrent]

below the forced ammo talent, u get
stam regen delay boost
10% TDR
+100% suppression
shock trooper
killzone (unchanged so meh at best still)
and +15% mag size

[mortal aspen]

that is kinda silly tbh

[tall torrent]

compare this to right side giving u +70% dmg for playing the game right

[wild vortex]

So new Vet good?

[quiet valley]

why killzone slander? It’s like 90% uptime?

[wild vortex]

Better?

[tall torrent]

at some point u gotta ask urself is this rly worth

[stoic hound]

do you get many stacks if you kill many with one shot ?

[mortal aspen]

they should've been side by side, choose one depending on your weapon

[tall torrent]

no

it's not 30%

[hybrid plover]

Yeah right side looks immensely beefed up compared to everything else.

[wild vortex]

Did they really buff WS lol

That's so funny

[mortal aspen]

not really

[hybrid plover]

They buffed what comes up to it.

[quiet valley]

I saw FT got changed a lot

[tall torrent]

15% dmg that turns off for a whopping 8s on blocking any hit

vs +70% dmg for playing the game proper

[mortal aspen]

WS is the same + useless reload passive

[quiet valley]

dodge?

[faint beacon]

Exhil is nice and all but I don’t really see myself taking it too often?

[stoic hound]

was nerfed no ?

[midnight wyvern]

buffed lol

[tall torrent]

u can do the exact same thing with right side build?
and it's +70% dmg?

[hollow ibex]

Buffed actually

[turbid ibex]

buffed

[stoic hound]

oh really

[hollow ibex]

Faster stacks

[midnight wyvern]

less stacks yes but they do more damage per stack

[hollow ibex]

Fewer stacks

[tall torrent]

which part of +70% dmg do u not understand

[midnight wyvern]

and apparently recharge faster

[hollow ibex]

Almost same damage

[hybrid plover]

Skirmisher + Exploit weakness got buffed around it and in really, really significant ways

[turbid ibex]

faster stacks and less stacks needed for same result

[stoic hound]

4 stacks that come back in 1.5s instead of 5 that come back in 2s

[quiet valley]

There’s inherent benefits to dealing dmg at range rather than melee ofc, we will see how much dmg stacks up when I get my hands on the tree

[stoic hound]

ok

[midnight wyvern]

watch something in all 3 trees be broken

[tall torrent]

those 70% are not restricted to melee dmg

[hybrid plover]

Like from two of the worst talents in the game to two of the best

[quiet valley]

What’s giving 70% inc dmg

[bold sierra]

ehhh there's a lot more to them than just +dmg. Personally I dont wanna have to keep track on running and sprinting for dmg, or switching weapons a lot for the extra dmg, etc...

[tall torrent]

agile engagement +25%
skirmisher +25%
exploit weakness +20%

[bold sierra]

ig exploit weakness is ok

[faint beacon]

I didn’t have Skirmisher or E.Weakness glow up on my bingo sheet

I’ll be honest

[bold sierra]

BUT exploit weakness is for melee

so meh

[midnight wyvern]

its not

[tall torrent]

literally just
engage in any basic melee and give urself 70% dmg

[faint beacon]

That and veteran now has innate .75 stam delay

[tall torrent]

ok

[hybrid plover]

It's not.

[quiet valley]

Isn’t exploit weakness a melee trigger?

[faint beacon]

Instead of 1 second

[turbid ibex]

only thing where it isnt a direct upgrade is that the damage bonus from max stacks with the increased stack cap modifier is now +30% damage rather than +32%

[faint beacon]

Like holy

[hybrid plover]

You have to trigger it with melee but the damage is universal

[tall torrent]

yea, just go melee crit smth every 6s, not a high bar to pass

[quiet valley]

Skirmisher still the same or changed?

[tall torrent]

stacks from sliding

[bold sierra]

yeah exactly, you have to trigger it via melee, that's waht I meant

[quiet valley]

Pretty good

[tall torrent]

and no 1s requirement for sprint? I think?

[bold sierra]

sure it's good but eh

[faint beacon]

20% damage on melee Crit iirc

[hybrid plover]

Which, you happen to be on the side that loves when you switch weapns

[faint beacon]

I think it’s melee dam

[red robin]

So uh, is mmf finesse boost actually strength now? Or is it still just coded as damage

[tall torrent]

just finesse

wording is hard

[stoic hound]

exploit weakness is 10% brittleness on crit, unless that changed

[tall torrent]

changed

[stoic hound]

What does it do ?

[quiet valley]

Pretty melee focused for a shooter build, I don’t really wanna smack a poxwalker every 6s when I’m locking down a hall with Helbore

[tall torrent]

+20% Tdmg for 6s on landing melee crit hit

[hybrid plover]

Significantly so, yea

[bold sierra]

I mean I get that, but it doesn't invalidate the stuff from the MMF branch, it's just different playstyle tbh, with a lot of track-keeping

some like that some don't

[faint beacon]

I won’t lie if you run Recip and Tac Axe it’ll have insane uptime

[stoic hound]

20% dmg just for critting ? that's basically free

[red robin]

Truth nuke

[faint beacon]

Not even considering Desperado + 10% base Crit chance vet has now

[tall torrent]

so basically always up as long as u engage in basic melee because the 2 talents that lead into it are reciprocity and desperado
vet also got the 5% crit node baked in so with desperado ur baseline crit chance is 20% (up to 45% at max reciprocity)

[midnight wyvern]

exactly lol

[tall torrent]

yes

[faint beacon]

Vet having the highest Crit chance in game for base is hilarious

[tall torrent]

and u people are coping that left is good

no it's ass

take precision strikes and bail lol

[red robin]

What’s it competing with?

[stoic hound]

I've always been a melee enjoyer with PS mk6 so that's good

[hybrid plover]

Thing is, MMF still has a timer and it only affects ranged still.

[faint beacon]

All of right side

[midnight wyvern]

right side is goat

[quiet valley]

MMF is a lot of dmg scaling tho tbh

[tall torrent]

not as much as 70% dmg tho lol

[orchid hemlock]

But ammmmmoooooo 😭

[quiet valley]

You can still dip into it I bet

[hybrid plover]

Right side is generalist, and it rewards you significantly for playing in a generalist way

[eternal venture]

Left side is good, but the multipliers on right side are absurd

[tall torrent]

superiority complex + iron will + trench fighter are same row at the top

[red robin]

What’s nutty on right? Reciprocity, desperado, and what else is strong there?

[stoic hound]

I llike marksman + precision strike combo

[eternal venture]

you can probably run either and be fine

[quick seal]

dang i was rly hoping for power fist (or LMG) as the new weapon

[stoic hound]

you just delete bosses

[tall torrent]

bottom right has
15%Mdmg + reciprocity + desperado + agile engagement + 25 toughness + skirmisher + exploit weakness + WS + OYT

[bold sierra]

i mean if you're building for mostly ranged then that's great. I'm personally not a fan of having to switch to melee, crit with it, then switch back to gun then repeat.

[orchid hemlock]

Wait they moved agile to bottom right

[midnight wyvern]

skirmisher and exploit weakness are very good

[orchid hemlock]

We init

[red robin]

Jesus

[stoic hound]

skirmisher buff is just insane

[eternal venture]

Left side is probably very nice for Helbore

[stoic hound]

almost free 25% dmg too

[quiet valley]

It’s been 25% dmg

[tall torrent]

and I see people in here coping that bottom left is good

lol

[quiet valley]

Just easier to stack now

[hybrid plover]

Hell I can see right being great for helbore too

[midnight wyvern]

bath has been chanting this for the past 6 hours

[orchid hemlock]

Marksman focus got no buffs? 😈

[midnight wyvern]

lol

[quiet valley]

I see that…

[stoic hound]

It was horrible to stack before

[tall torrent]

got buffed

still ass unfortunately

[eternal venture]

wait a minute didn't you say this an hour ago

[hybrid plover]

Because that kind of damage is gonna make it hard not to get a one shot

[eternal venture]

lol

[red robin]

Right side is melee heaven ngl

[tall torrent]

yea

because it's the only path worth looking at

stam regen delay + shock trooper + MMF

and invest points elsewhere

[orchid hemlock]

Did they change anything in the middle?

[tall torrent]

because the rest of bottom left is garbage at best

[eternal venture]

Middle got more consistent stack buildup, which means consistently higher damage on tagged targets

[stoic hound]

afaik the 10% rending and 20% boss dmg is still in there...

annoying

[tall torrent]

demo team + tac awareness + 25 toughness + BID

ur welcome

[quiet valley]

That’s a lot of regen from MMF if you are Exec stance tho

[tall torrent]

other options are mostly irrelevant

[quiet valley]

Like A LOT

[eternal venture]

yes

[orchid hemlock]

Anything happens to shout?

[turbid ibex]

yesnt

[stoic hound]

shout indirectly nerfed by CDR nerf

[quiet valley]

I can’t wait for my gun guy class to be able to duel other enemy gun guys

[orchid hemlock]

Thx

[turbid ibex]

tactical awareness got nerfed so shout also got nerfed by proxy

[tall torrent]

nothing
tac awareness changed from -6s on specialist kill to x200% cooldown rate for 3s on specialist kill

this indirectly makes every red node worse

FTE is gone I think

now just marksman and CQKZ

[tall torrent]

u need to have full specialist kill uptime to cut CD to 15s on VoC / exe

[eternal venture]

Yes FTE is gone

[quiet valley]

RIP FTE 🫡

[stoic hound]

what is fte

[bold sierra]

what's FTE again?

[tall torrent]

this means u cannot stack marksman/CQKZ multiple times

[manic cloak]

Hey guys, are you excited for Mortis Trails? This talent tree discussion is a big yawn. Vet is already, and will continue to be, the most OP class.

[quiet valley]

VYNTH I SEE YOU TYPING YOU BETTER STOP

FUCK

[hollow ibex]

Sad!

[eternal venture]

For the Emperor

[stoic hound]

oh

the 10% dmg buff for 5s

meh

[eternal venture]

10% ranged and melee damage for 5s after using an ult

[tall torrent]

sorry can't hear u over here with the whopping +70% damage

[eternal venture]

It's fine, we got more than enough buffs elsewhere to offset it

[faint beacon]

Duty and Honor got nerfed from 50 to 15 golden toughness

[quiet valley]

go oil up your new bolter or smth

[eternal venture]

exactly

[tall torrent]

wait fr?

[faint beacon]

Yes fr

[tall torrent]

they used my idea

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-car-silly-cat-sad-scary-gif-12889095585962936860

[tall torrent]

nice

[manic cloak]

OH GOD MY BOLTER IS GOING TO EXPLODE SO MUCH BIGGER

[faint beacon]

The revive

Was completely untouched

[stoic hound]

op class just for bringing infinite ammo to the team

boring

[faint beacon]

So it’s a trash talent still

Lmao

[stoic hound]

infinite ammo + infinite toughness*

[quiet valley]

Vynth just loves exploding everywhere

[hollow ibex]

I just realized. Covering fire is still shit isn’t it

[tall torrent]

precisely so

[faint beacon]

Yes

[eternal venture]

Yeah that kind of talent is never going to be better than base shout so long as it has higher cooldown and lower range

[hollow ibex]

Wait seriously? Oooof

[eternal venture]

since you can usually shout and revive someone anyway

[stoic hound]

if covering fire worked for yourself... it would be cool

[eternal venture]

It has extreme niche use cases, like reviving multiple people when muties are flying around

[hollow ibex]

Maybe I can use VOC now

Without feeling bad

[eternal venture]

But just having a regular shout provides more value in every other situation

[orchid hemlock]

Dam it, now the dogshit vets are going to be worse 😭

[faint beacon]

If you’re playing VOC as a good player

[eternal venture]

You can usually shout off cooldown as it is

and it will almost always provide value, while being up again when you need it

similar to Kruber shouting off cooldown in vt2

[tall torrent]

psyker's psyk aura nerfed to only benefit psyker

so ur not getting perma ults

[faint beacon]

The nerfs literally shouldn’t effect you at all

[eternal venture]

Yes

[hybrid plover]

🎉

[mortal aspen]

cdr stuff is healthy for the game

the changes

[eternal venture]

Havoc also throws enough elites at you to reset your shout cd constantly

[stoic hound]

yeah agreed, voc spam was ridiculous, it needed a nerf

[eternal venture]

Also

Plasma Gunners shred gold armor

[faint beacon]

Well

Yeah

That’s a given

[stoic hound]

elites don't reduce your cd, unless you are talking about the psyker skill that got nerfed

[faint beacon]

That’s plasmas gimmick

[eternal venture]

so gold armor is a tad less useful overall (but still amazing in every other situation)

[bold sierra]

apart from high dmg, what else does it even do?

[hybrid plover]

I'm okay with VoC being nerfed given that veteran's touch up is a significant positive as a whole anyway

[faint beacon]

Sets all toughness to 0

[low oar]

How to balance an overpowered mechanic:
Add new mechanic that turns off the OP mechanic

[eternal venture]

No, it's more than that

the plasma gunner spillover damage will hurt you

[stoic hound]

wait what do plasma gunners do to gold armor

[midnight wyvern]

while nerfing OP mechanic at same time

[midnight wyvern]

set to 0

read lol

[eternal venture]

it's not like an overhead or sniper or burster where it just sets you to 0

[tall torrent]

they one shot ur entire toughness bar regardless of gold or how much toughness u have

[low oar]

just dodge

[pseudo fiber]

Also debuffs you

[bold sierra]

that's actually kinda cool

[stoic hound]

so like a sniper ?

[low oar]

Are the plasma gunners a special or an elite

[tall torrent]

no

sniper has spillover dmg

[midnight wyvern]

special

[hybrid plover]

Special

[tall torrent]

plasma gunner also has carapace weakspot

[eternal venture]

Snipers don't have spillover damage if you have gold armor

[stoic hound]

ah ok , so not as bad as snipers

[bold sierra]

they got spawn sound?

the plasma guys

[low oar]

Wow
Just like what my mom calls me 😊

[midnight wyvern]

nothing does

thats the point

[tall torrent]

sniper has spillover
gold prevents spillover

plasma gunner has no spillover

[midnight wyvern]

[eternal venture]

Ah sorry, specials

[hybrid plover]

It's like the captains basically

[midnight wyvern]

barrels don't exist

[hybrid plover]

They won't do damage to you if you actually have toughness at all

[midnight wyvern]

god I hate rodin

[faint beacon]

They exist

[hybrid plover]

They will when you don't

[faint beacon]

To enable HP damage

From other units

[eternal venture]

just bring smokes

🙂

turn him off

[faint beacon]

Which is a huge threat

[midnight wyvern]

have gold on arb, pop castigators, get hit once

0 toughness

[eternal venture]

Gas bombs still suck buttocks though

[midnight wyvern]

plasma our beloved

[stoic hound]

no one will be playing ogryn anymore for a few days when patch is live...

[hybrid plover]

Smokes now inadvertently buffed by the tree update and the existence of this new mob.

[solar valve]

Wow the lawbringer falchion uh

Does not look too good

[red robin]

Oh wow, revive speed curios now apply to rescues

[midnight wyvern]

this patch only validates me running kraks

GGez

[red robin]

I meaaan

[solar valve]

That is some abyssmal unyielding damage

[hybrid plover]

This will only further my smoking addiction

[stoic hound]

I'm a smoke enjoyer and honestly I expected them to buff smoke a bit considering the reputation it has

[red robin]

Revive speed is still preparing for failure

[midnight wyvern]

god I hate when I can clutch bad situations

[hollow ibex]

They did

[hybrid plover]

Wut

[hollow ibex]

Deploy time for smokes got buffed

[hybrid plover]

I didn't hear of anything f-

Ooh.

[hollow ibex]

It pops faster now

[stoic hound]

That's actually good

[faint beacon]

Smoke propaganda

[eternal venture]

Smokes are already good!!! Though I wouldn't mind it staggering stuff that walks through it

[narrow frost]

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[hollow ibex]

Yeah it took ages before

[faint beacon]

Love to see it

[hybrid plover]

That's actually really good.

[eternal venture]

LMAO

[red robin]

I personally like revive speed but people love their curio slots for self buffs

[eternal venture]

It does affect freeing people from nets, at least

[pseudo fiber]

Thrn you'll love that it now applies to rescues too

[stoic hound]

so smoke buff is : faster explosion + new ranged specials 🤣

[sly orchid]

I just know plasma gunners are gonna ruin people's days

[red robin]

Ye ye

[eternal venture]

which is already fast, but considering how this game favors enemies over players

[sly orchid]

But also we need to ask ourselves

[heavy rover]

smoke vets stay winning

[sly orchid]

Where did the moebians get this stockpile of plasma weapons?

[eternal venture]

it can get clutch de-nettings and revives off before the mutie grabs you

[stoic hound]

get the veterambulance skill on voc 😏

instant revive

I t's actually not bad at all

[red robin]

That 50% added cooldown making me sick to think abt

Useful but damn

[stoic hound]

Yeah but you don't really spam voc asap anyway

[solar valve]

The added cdr gets u killed

[stoic hound]

there's also leave no one behind

but it's so annoying to get in current tree I never did

and idek if it's still there in the new one

[jaunty tinsel]

holy crap, i might actually end up with a capstone now with the rework

this is kickass

[jolly quail]

i like how the combat blade feels but its like its just a less good dueling sword

[solar valve]

Might just hipfire ES with the new bolter mark

[jolly quail]

whats the niche

[solar valve]

Since it is single shot

[midnight wyvern]

its british

[solar valve]

[jolly quail]

😟

[midnight wyvern]

mobility is better on knife

[nocturne mulch]

ES + MMF Helbore goes even more brrrrt?

[midnight wyvern]

and I prefer the moveset tbh

[jolly quail]

well it feels good to play

[midnight wyvern]

punch stab chaining with mk... 6?

is good

[jolly quail]

but its like in terms of fast hitting melee with a charged thrust the dueling sword just clears hordes and damages high hp/armored enemies better

[midnight wyvern]

Ds

clearing hordes

pick one

[jolly quail]

its not my primary but it does the job better when u get swarme

d

[hybrid plover]

Mk3 is the one you're talking about

[jolly quail]

but yea its especially the thrust i feel is superior

[midnight wyvern]

knife would make you not get swarmed lol

[hybrid plover]

Mk6 is a lot more generalist

[midnight wyvern]

mk6 has a way to chain stab Istg

its been a second

or perhaps just a combo that does good cara damage

[jolly quail]

im using mk3

[hybrid plover]

It does for one sequence and then there's a weird delay so you have to do a heavy or push atk

Mk3, you can just freely do the punch stab

[pseudo fiber]

I'm excited to use the new bolter tomorrow it looks funny

[midnight wyvern]

I feel like its gonna be really nice in havoc

[hybrid plover]

Prefer mk6 because it can actually hold its own in horde clear a lot better than mk3 anyway tho

[midnight wyvern]

popping a shooter in the chest with a bullet hand grenade and it either staggering the shit out of the dudes next to him or just killing them too

sounds good

why suppress when you can throw them out of cover

[pseudo fiber]

And also trying out the new power falchion

[hybrid plover]

And the lack of need for a stamina delay node now makes it really hard for me to want to use mk3 over mk6 now tbh

[tropic notch]

This is so sad can we nerf dclaw

[pseudo fiber]

Can we nerf v-
...
No...

[midnight wyvern]

buff vet

still a tax tree

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-he-is-already-dead-stop-gif-5552043

[hybrid plover]

#nerfvet

It's real. It's happening.

[midnight wyvern]

#buffarbites

man im so keen for the auric changes

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[pseudo fiber]

Big same

they look so good

[midnight wyvern]

I can't wait for my pepega auric teammates to get 1 combo'd by sword captains

why

[surreal rune]

m

covering fire should apply to self

it has been my one gripe of the node other than never being able to get it because tax

[distant plaza]

all hail weapon spec supremacy?

[surreal rune]

is it the best keystone?

its always been good

i think its the one keystone that wasnt changed in the rework

[rancid egret]

Are we back yet?

[heavy rover]

we never left

[rancid egret]

🗣️ Truth, the Guard never surrenders! Ever onwards.

For God-Emperor and Imperium, Sah!

[distant plaza]

it's either WS+1 node or FT+1 node
with all the other nodes that i want/had

[surreal rune]

glad to see a ws enjoyer

[distant plaza]

my time on vet has been keystoneless for the most part
this patch will likely change that

[fervent citrus]

hello veteran class what's our verdict on the new weapons because i know this class can access all 3 of them

[hybrid plover]

power falchion looks mid honestly

but the new bolt weapons?

interesting.

[fervent citrus]

elaborate

[hybrid plover]

power falchion doesn't have the greatest assortment of blessings

and it doesn't look like it reallt fares well against unyielding or carapace

new bolters have more explosive capability though

[pseudo fiber]

Definitely gonna need 25% cara on it

[hybrid plover]

meaning they could end up being really good cc tools actually

[midnight wyvern]

yeg

some are hoping shrimp applies to the AoE like rumbler

but I doubt

[fervent citrus]

what about the talent reworks

[midnight wyvern]

there wasn't any

its a whole bait from fatshark

[fervent citrus]

the trailer had that exactly

[midnight wyvern]

proof?

[pseudo fiber]

||Jests aside they're really solid||

[hybrid plover]

#nerfvet

[midnight wyvern]

70% free damage our beloved

[hybrid plover]

nah I'm dead serious, right side is beefed tf up

[fervent citrus]

that and im a massive fucking idiot because i didnt realize its only coming tomorrow

[midnight wyvern]

nah its in rn

you just gotta dn

[hybrid plover]

70% damage for playing the game

[fervent citrus]

ok

[hybrid plover]

not melee or ranged

just

damage

meaning DoTs too

meaning your shredders get buffed by this

[midnight wyvern]

imma make kraks great again

[hybrid plover]

meaning kraks get buffed more than they already did

[midnight wyvern]

yeah lol, they got an extra nade and shorter fuze if you didn't know otherwise

but free total damage is

[rancid egret]

Is new update out yet sahs?

[midnight wyvern]

can run those pretty easily with FT I reckon, imma try it when the update drops

[midnight wyvern]

yes

[rancid egret]

Nice, ty Sah.

[midnight wyvern]

comes out in...

13 hours 56 min

[tall torrent]

I am updating my talent sections in guide

[winter grove]

Wait huh what

[tall torrent]

yea

[winter grove]

Damn we eating GOOD this update

[midnight wyvern]

bath should put this shit in a notepad to copy paste

[tall torrent]

I am reorganizing my guide

[spark helm]

Do people happen to just know where any sources for the reworked talent trees exist or were people looking at the video for the forum post and speculating?

[midnight wyvern]

youtubers and streamers had the test server

they had the trees

[hybrid plover]

Playtesters already put out videos

[midnight wyvern]

those people too

💀

https://youtu.be/4yhtu0ur_mA?si=GkugbTwVR81mxcqO&t=449

tree on timestamp

[tall torrent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LZkMIwpDYc&t=464s

[surreal mountain]

What mark of Duelling sword do you guys enjoy

[midnight wyvern]

none

[jolly quail]

Mk IV

[midnight wyvern]

and the opinion wouldn't matter, they change in under 14 hours

lol

[surreal mountain]

I'm well out of shape

[surreal mountain]

Thank

[midnight wyvern]

don't lean on DS

[jolly quail]

he might just be leveling it

[midnight wyvern]

he shouldn't

[surreal mountain]

I've pretty much only used the knife in the couple hundred hours I have, haven't tried out the duelling sword yet

[jolly quail]

try power sword

[midnight wyvern]

power sword is just knife that got rich

[jolly quail]

with the blessing that gives u more enhanced hits

[midnight wyvern]

but has a mental disorder

[surreal mountain]

I didn't like how slow it was. The Hellbore paired well with the knife because it made repositioning and reviving easier

[jolly quail]

huh its like decently fast tbh

[midnight wyvern]

[surreal mountain]

Movement speed I mean

[jolly quail]

yea the movement is a bit ass

[midnight wyvern]

mobility wise yeah its dogshit

fair enough

but DS is cringe

do Taxe

[hybrid island]

How is the mobility of the new Falchion thing

[surreal mountain]

Bro is a hater for no reason

[jolly quail]

fr

[midnight wyvern]

normal melee

[midnight wyvern]

PLENTY of reason

👎

[hybrid island]

Like similar to Devil's Claw?

[surreal mountain]

IS THAT AN ARMORED CORE REFERENCE IN YOUR STATUS

Why are you cringe

You should be swag

[midnight wyvern]

yerp, identical to DS or heavy sword

[tall torrent]

standard
5 dodges, +1% dodge distance at 60% mobility stat

[midnight wyvern]

5?

[hybrid island]

Decent enough

[midnight wyvern]

was watching someone stream it and it had 4

4 dodge 4 stam

[hollow ibex]

Was he using the new UI

[midnight wyvern]

imagine looking into someone because they don't like a weapon

[midnight wyvern]

yes

[hollow ibex]

Because the new UI displays dodge count - 1

[midnight wyvern]

is it wrong?

[surreal mountain]

I check everyone's bio when I talk to them

[hollow ibex]

So 5 dodges only gets 4 bars

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-kitty-gif-4527110245816515816

[midnight wyvern]

they also inspected it and it was 1% 4 and 4

being dodge limit and stamina

[tall torrent]

the game dodge UI shows max -1 because the last dodge is a red bar warning to tell u that ur gonna run out of dodges

[midnight wyvern]

marks could have different dodge?

[hollow ibex]

Did he forget to consecrate and empower

[tall torrent]

no

not for this weapon

[midnight wyvern]

nah 500/gold

I dunno then lol

was only a few hours ago

[pseudo fiber]

Does the bolt pistol look alright

[fleet bronze]

im looking forward to the update

[tall torrent]

mf no it's still 50 toughness

[faint beacon]

They probably fucked up the description cause it said 15 on there

[tall torrent]

no it says 50

[faint beacon]

I am not fucking crazy Istg it stated 15

[tall torrent]

unfortunately u are a cod zombies player so ur always crazy

[hearty panther]

you idiots that says +05

[faint beacon]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G0NdrHZXUAAxYV9.gif

[compact oracle]

wow i cant believe this nerf but honestly deserved

[faint beacon]

Absolutely deserved

-50 toughness

[hearty panther]

its really quite logical, yelling like that would hurt

[compact oracle]

new mechanic

tinnitus

[hollow ibex]

we will find out for sure tomorrow

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-gif-4169442390448293969

[fresh spire]

why didn't cadians just shout to stack 40k toughness and kill abbadon

[hearty panther]

cadia wadnt blownd up yet so they had nothing to yell about

[pseudo fiber]

They were using the skill tree launch vet skill tree

[orchid hemlock]

No invincibility frames 😞

[gaunt hinge]

Power... Falchion?

[pseudo fiber]

Yes

[plain osprey]

I never understood the golden toughness haters.... Vet feels unplayable without it

Also, are there any videos on vets new power weapon?

[gaunt hinge]

I think that's their point, you have to run it

[gaunt hinge]

More options to cosplay a kreiger then I guess

[midnight wyvern]

yeah I was very skeptical about it because if they were going to nerf gold they probably would've touched book lol

[fleet garden]

hows vet looking tomorrow

[gaunt hinge]

Actually I'm not sure I've ever seen a guardsman mini use a double edged power sword

[midnight wyvern]

terrible

got nerfed for no reason

[fleet garden]

what

really?

[midnight wyvern]

#buffarbites

[plain osprey]

Yeah but how about we elevate the other two abilities instead of tearing down vets one redeeming quality....

[midnight wyvern]

yes

[hybrid plover]

vet has finally been nerfed as needed

[midnight wyvern]

look at all the people complaining about it in chat

[hybrid plover]

the game is now miles better

[midnight wyvern]

finally

[hybrid plover]

70% damage for playing the game?

chump change

awful class now

[fleet garden]

so vet is worse than before

[plain osprey]

What did he get?

[hybrid plover]

no reason to even play him anymore

[tame sundial]

uhhhhh yeah bro just don't even bother checking out his new talent tree. Worst thing ever.

[hybrid plover]

it's sad but this was the healthiest route for the game

[fleet garden]

nice I wont

[faint beacon]

Thank god they buffed Arby though

they really needed it

[hybrid plover]

all of my vet mains in chat, rejoice in our time of need

[fleet garden]

can someone link me the patch notes

[fresh spire]

no

[hybrid plover]

there are no notes at this moment

i was shown these changes in a dream

[tall torrent]

I kinda have talent section done already

[fleet garden]

thanks, appreciated

[tall torrent]

they deleted a lot of bad talents but not all of them

[hybrid plover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yhtu0ur_mA&pp=ygUNY29sZSBkYXJrdGlkZQ%3D%3D

okay to be actually unironic here

vet is probably gonna be in a pretty good state after this

[fleet garden]

better than arbys?

[hybrid plover]

I do think MMF needs some more love, but otherwise, the class' touch up is actually a considerable one

namely on the right bottom side though

Veteran can get up to 70% extra damage for doing basic things you should be doing anyway

Not melee or ranged

Well for agile engagement it is

But the other two talents, exploit weakness and skirmisher, are just pure damage buffs

meaning they affect everything, including DoTs and explosions

[tall torrent]

vet bottom right has
15%Mdmg + reciprocity + desperado + agile engagement + 25 toughness + skirmisher (reworked, good) + exploit weakness (reworked, good) + weapon specialist + on your toes

they also buffed vet base stats

[fleet garden]

I dont like wep specialist but hey

[hybrid plover]

stamina delay is now on par with zealot

[fleet garden]

piss toughness still good or nerfed?

[hybrid plover]

piss toughnes still good

[tall torrent]

stamina regen delay 1 -> 0.75s
suppression immunity baseline
crit chance 5 -> 10%

[tall torrent]

unchanged

[fleet garden]

well time to whip out the ol vet then I guess

[hybrid plover]

but VoC is technically nerfed but not because of the talent itself

[compact plume]

So is the shout still the best or?

[hybrid plover]

But because of tactical awareness being reworked

[tall torrent]

VoC for utility, EXE for dps

[fleet garden]

then every random vet will go exe

[tall torrent]

they have ~equal point cost as well

[hybrid plover]

Tactical awareness isn't just a flat 6 seconds but just halfs CD time for 3 seconds

[cunning haven]

mmf with 25% rending or obliterate recon lasgun with new tree?

[hybrid plover]

Meaning no more shout spam

[fleet garden]

shout spam my beloved

[hybrid plover]

Honestly.

I'm glad they did it.

[fleet garden]

I just want vet to be on par with arbys and ogryn, if shout is gone or nerfed, so be it

[tall torrent]

debatably better? if ur looking for raw dps

[cunning haven]

im not. my happiest memories are shout spam in hunting grounds

[tall torrent]

vet is pretty straightforwardly high dps post-patch

[fleet garden]

well raw dps isnt always better, especially in high havoc

[hybrid plover]

given how much damage you can accumulate, you may not be as tanky as the two, but there's probably some crazy setups in terms of pure damage

[tall torrent]

power sword can hit for 5.5k on crusher crit weakspot

branx pickaxe might as well retire

[hybrid plover]

raw dps in this case probably will be

[fleet garden]

power sword logout

[hybrid plover]

the buffs are actually significant

[fleet garden]

ive played so much psword that I dont want to touch it

[hybrid plover]

again, 70% damage just for

playing the game

[cunning haven]

the old power sword still viable?

[fleet garden]

new bolter +falchion/rashad

[heavy rover]

yes

[hybrid plover]

probably going to be more viable than ever honestly

[cunning haven]

i thought the new one was just straight up better

[tall torrent]

might as well be best melee

[woven field]

do you want damage but lead feet? go power sword.
do you want safety with some damage? go power falchion

[hybrid plover]

nah, it's not nearly as high damage

[sleek garden]

falchions are cool though

[solar valve]

Falchion looks sick

Aesthetically

[hybrid plover]

and its performance against cara and unyielding looks like it honestly leaves a bit to be desired

[fleet garden]

gonna play my vet a bit now so I can feel the powerspike tomrorow

[tall torrent]

I think with new vet tree, power sword might be able to reach even more absurd boss kill numbers lol

currently 17s vs 60k plague ogryn

given that tmr gives a bunch of buffs

should be at most looking at 14~15s?

[fleet garden]

I hate the clunk of psword though

[tall torrent]

since skirmisher and AE not activate for solo boss

[hybrid plover]

i'm more curious to see how mercy killer knife fares against bosses since it's very easy to run that setup now with how the tree maps out

[tall torrent]

top tier but not as good as zealot's prob

new zealot tree is stacked

[winter grove]

Btw what's up with new power falchion?

[cunning haven]

i love power sword. im horrible in solo regardless but i feel like it is a struggle when you alone getting swarmed

[hybrid plover]

I figure that but having the safety of knife with actually considerable melee power that levels with the other classes is gonna be interesting to see play out on vet

[tall torrent]

barebones melee that's a little safer than power sword but with like 1/5th the dps

[fleet garden]

I dont like the clunk with activation compared to other weapons, it should be like amaul tbh

super clunky

[winter grove]

I am also gonna be angry if it's not actually a falchion

[cunning haven]

the worst is if u have latency or you get stunned you lose your activation

[hybrid plover]

it is

[winter grove]

Does it widen towards the blade's top?

[hybrid plover]

moveset is pretty reminiscent of vt2 falchion

[tall torrent]

it is a single-edged blade

[cunning haven]

so chainsword is very good now?

[hybrid plover]

we dont know yet

[tall torrent]

lol

[hybrid plover]

but we do know it got buffed

[winter grove]

Good good

[plain osprey]

So i watched Mr E's video

First of all, shame on all of you saying vet got nerfed (i am German, no i dont see the Joke here, false information is never funny)

Secondly, executioners stance is finally usable and may be my staple for infantry autogun gunner play

[bleak tendon]

Now that we have power falchion, what’s the point of the power sword still?

[cunning haven]

i found the chainsword

https://youtu.be/vFcYy3e-AH0?t=5h41m44s

[cunning haven]

@bleak tendon

[bleak tendon]

Ah gotcha

Thx

[winter grove]

You know what veteran needs now?

A power fist

[midnight wyvern]

Tried brutal momentum with power cycler?

BM is just free

[heavy rover]

I like running power cycler and sunder

[hybrid plover]

I like sunder better personally

[heavy rover]

sunder gang

[hybrid plover]

I used to think BM was the better option but Sunder honestly feels more consistent across the board

[tall torrent]

ok vet talent sections mostly updated

[hybrid plover]

Being able to innately cleave carapace is a big deal

[tall torrent]

waiting for the 2 new talents' icons now

[heavy rover]

heavy attacks from sunder make clearing mixed hordes a lot easier

[fleet garden]

gimme link if you got some

[hybrid plover]

you know

since we know there's gonna be some weapon rebalancing

i do wonder if they touched shovels at all

[fleet garden]

shovel dn into your mouth

I mean what

[tall torrent]

still abysmal sorry

[cunning haven]

i will have to try this. i use brutal momentum. i also havent tried slaughter yet

[heavy rover]

slaughterer is okay, but I prefer sunder for its consistency

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon

[cunning haven]

could easy access to trench fighter and serrated blade with uncanny strike and trauma be viable?

[tall torrent]

hit X 8 times to max serrated blade's bleed on an enemy

which enemy are u hitting that's taking 8 hits to kill

[fleet garden]

your mum

[hybrid plover]

crushers now apparently

just light spam away i suppose

[tall torrent]

nah crusher at 6k is still 3~6 for the good weapons

can't say the same for shovel tho 💀

[cunning haven]

i was thinking of like a mk1 shovel to slap enemies around with trauma while they get heavy bleeds for survivability

[hybrid plover]

i mean i think it could perform well enough against crushers with push attack

[tall torrent]

u could kill most things faster with smth else from shovel

[hybrid plover]

it's unyielding enemies that i think shovel ain't really gonna hold much to

[cunning haven]

alright fair enough. just wanted to see if there was any point in using it

[hybrid plover]

you use it because it feels good to use

shovel is one of my favorite weapons to use solely for feeling

[cunning haven]

its funny when you can slap maulers around or hold off a horde at a door

[heavy rover]

who needs meta or time-to-kill when you have funny bonk noise

[hybrid plover]

in all fairness it does have good horde management and that means something when you bring a ranged weapon that's ideal for tankier targets

just not good in terms of pure dps

[cunning haven]

yeah, was wondering if i could rely on bleed for the kills but probably p sword just better

[hybrid plover]

you really do just have to make sure what you bring for ranged can deal with unyielding enemies well

[fleet garden]

bolter +rashad

[hybrid plover]

if it's any consolation, the bleed will make shovel better against bulwarks at least

[final zealot]

Havent checked out the patch notes, hows vet lookin with the new skill tree?

[hybrid plover]

since unyielding enemies are particularly susceptible to bleed DoTs

reapers too but trying to melee reapers can uh

not go so well sometimes

[hybrid plover]

#nerfvet

it's not a meme anymore

[final zealot]

I wouldnt know

[tall torrent]

top 5 class

[hybrid plover]

looks like they're going the route of big burst dps with vet

[final zealot]

How bout Marksman Stance and Stealth

[hybrid plover]

and the stuff they reworked on the tree lends itself to that really well

[hybrid plover]

Executioner's Stance now has built in toughness regen

[final zealot]

Wait so is it a full on rework?

[hybrid plover]

Infiltrator has the damage buff built in

[final zealot]

Or like a reorganization and rebalance

[hybrid plover]

It's a full on rework yes

[final zealot]

[hybrid plover]

Might as well be at this point

[final zealot]

Is zealot free of the curse

[hybrid plover]

Because some nodes got changed really signficantly

Yes

[final zealot]

The single skill tree curse

[hybrid plover]

The Build ™ is no longer a thing.

[final zealot]

We used to pray for days like these

[tall torrent]

yea, top 5 class

[plain osprey]

I will have to rework all my builds right....

[hybrid plover]

you can actually use immolation grenades and not feel like you're shooting urself in the foot

[plain osprey]

Great

[final zealot]

What about loner?

[hybrid plover]

Gone lol

[tall torrent]

I got smth for u

Confirmed Kill (1)
-> Longshot / One Motion (2)
-> Close Order Drill (3)
-> Shredder Frag Grenade (4)
-> 10% reload speed / 15 toughness (5)
-> Superiority Complex + Iron Will + Trench Fighter Drill (8)
-> Field Improvisation / Serrated Blade (9)
-> Survivalist (10)
-> Grenadier + Demolition Stockpile (12)
-> Voice of Command + Duty & Honour (14)
-> 1 stamina + 10%Rdmg + 15%Mdmg (17)
-> Precision Strikes + Demolition Team + Reciprocity (20)
-> Tactical Awareness + Desperado (22)
-> 25 toughness + Agile Engagement + 25 toughness + Skirmisher (26)
-> Bring it Down! + Exploit Weakness (28)
-> Weapon Specialist (29)

last choice can go On Your Toes / Out for Blood for better toughness sustain

[hybrid plover]

It was replaced with a 15% less stamina usage aura

[plain osprey]

@steep flower will you be my Valentine ahemmmm will you help me please redo all my builds?

[steep flower]

once i finish tinkering with mine i will help for sure

[void dragon]

GOOD to know the Helboy dream is not dead yet

[tall torrent]

field improv might actually be worth taking now
since the direct competition are GBITF and serrated blade

[faint beacon]

Dead serious planning on sleeping early knowing they tend to usually drop the update early in the morning

Probably around 8 AMish EST

[tall torrent]

did u watch the whole clip

[faint beacon]

Ye

[cunning haven]

i no longer see the 5% crit chance node 😭

[tall torrent]

vet with balance spread of toughness/health/stamina curio, and 3x toughness curio perk
gets 217.8 toughness

[tall torrent]

baked in
vet has 10% crit chance baseline after update

[cunning haven]

yooooooo

thats narly

damn thats really nice

[hybrid plover]

i didn't even catch this

[void dragon]

imo it always was, now it will be FAR more easy to do

[tall torrent]

before update it's hard to justify that 1 point

but

with new tree

the direct competition is so bad that it's justifiable

[steep flower]

Always has been worth it

[tall torrent]

been meh the entire time

now justifiable pick

might still run serrated just to troll tho

[hybrid plover]

Field Improv is good, but majorly shafted by vet's taxed to hell tree

At least it was before

[tall torrent]

gotta spread that bleed on cleave

[steep flower]

Did vet got ANY cleave talents?

[tall torrent]

ofc not

[steep flower]

Or str?

[hybrid plover]

As far as I can tell, no

[tall torrent]

vet is top 5 class

[tall torrent]

ofc not

[hybrid plover]

But Marksman at least is way easier to path to now

And that does help with cleave

[faint beacon]

So full of toughness…

[steep flower]

Plasma gunner

Broken enemy even before release

[hybrid plover]

Smoke stocks are through the roof

[steep flower]

Only fatfish could achieve such a feat of bs

[hybrid plover]

📈

[steep flower]

Ye run always smokes
Run always bubble
Run always book
You see where this is going?

[tall torrent]

U can pretty easily take all 3 toughness grey nodes

With new tree

[floral creek]

I haven't heard from the Vets side, are veterans eating good?

[cunning haven]

dont run smoke, run +75% suppression 🫡

[tall torrent]

Top 5 class

[hybrid plover]

i highly doubt that's going to do anything for the scab plasma gunners

[steep flower]

They seem to be unsuppressable

[hybrid plover]

they're specialists

[steep flower]

Elites

[hybrid plover]

wait what?

[cunning haven]

damn, suppression is useless?

[steep flower]

Yup

They are elites

[tall torrent]

Plasma gunner cannot be suppressed

[steep flower]

They spawn in groups

[steep flower]

Unless book

[hybrid plover]

well shit alrighty then

[steep flower]

Cause plasma gunner is coded the same as shotgunner

[hybrid plover]

that's alarming

[tall torrent]

Chorus does both stagger and suppression

[faint beacon]

Carapace head

Flak body

[tall torrent]

What you see is not suppression

It’s stagger

[atomic void]

im hoping the tree reworks arent half baked

[faint beacon]

Swaps to melee when close

[atomic void]

cause they aint getting touched again for years

[compact oracle]

theyre carapace head?

[tall torrent]

I already have guide done

[faint beacon]

Plasma gunners will be dangerous at range

[compact oracle]

fucke

[faint beacon]

That’s all I’ll say

[atomic void]

for?

[tall torrent]

Vet new talent section

[steep flower]

They are not dangerous
They are broken

[atomic void]

oh wait you were making a guide and now the tree is changed

[tall torrent]

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[steep flower]

You’ll see

[faint beacon]

Eh

[compact oracle]

going to see my first long hallway with plasma gunners at the end and just cry

[atomic void]

huge

im leveling up a new vet just for new exec stance buff

[faint beacon]

It’s been needed for sometime that there should be something that actually makes it’s threatening to be too overconfident with your toughness I won’t lie

[atomic void]

tomorrow dorktiding all night

[faint beacon]

That debuff they apply looks hilarious

[floral creek]

Did "No dying 'till I say so" get hit?

[steep flower]

They also spam their plasma and shoot faster than captains while being just as deadly

[hybrid plover]

Not like smokes were really that used before this except in havoc honestly

[steep flower]

Ppl have no fking clue how unplayable this dogshit will be

[frank basin]

oh wow vet get tree pathing rework?

[plain osprey]

Its been always worth taking and shame on you If you didnt

[frank basin]

i just made 2h great chainaxe

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s been meh

[stable socket]

good thing smokes don't cost extra points when going for survivalist anymore...

[tall torrent]

It was good for helping others with penance

That’s about it lol

[plain osprey]

Youre meh

[tall torrent]

So what

[frank basin]

yeah using heretic weapon

[tall torrent]

[steep flower]

Very nice

[hybrid plover]

if anything, since smokes don't really need that many grenade modifier nodes

they're probably going to be the least intensive grenade to run

[steep flower]

Tinkerer for durration

[plain osprey]

Bow down to our lord and savior field improv!

[hybrid plover]

you really don't need that

[tall torrent]

Nah I’m giving it enough credit as is by not calling it bad

[hybrid plover]

it's nice to have but by absolutely no means necessary

[stable socket]

demo stockpile + demo team probably still good though, having more smokes means i can throw down more when i inevitably whiff the first one

[steep flower]

15 sec vs 30 is massive; fights don’t last 15 or less unless you die

[hybrid plover]

if you play your smokes smart, you don't need that increase in duration

i main the damn things

[plain osprey]

I can see why you chose the manul as your profile pic...

Youre just as approachable and agreeable as that Kitty looks 😜🤪

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately I’ve been right more often than I’ve been wrong

[stable socket]

btw how should i use smoke? is it like psyker bubble where you throw them down ahead of you and run into it if you want to push gunners? or do you have to throw them onto the gunners

[hybrid plover]

yes

[steep flower]

Like mini bubble

[tall torrent]

Asked playtester
Plasma gunner is elite, 1900 hp on auric, carapace head, flak body

[stable socket]

ok ty!

[tall torrent]

I think it’s prob better to build for body shot than headshot on this guy

[hybrid plover]

or if you're in the middle of a horde, throw one on your position for a mometary stagger while also making it that guns won't chip your toughness while you're handling it

[steep flower]

Obviously

[tall torrent]

Plasma I think can 1 tap him?

If the damage profile is not reduced

[atomic void]

cara head is such a troll

i love it

[tall torrent]

Don’t think he has melee weakness either

Like most elites

So yea 1900 carapace head

That’s 1~2 hits from good melee weapons

With dedicated single target atks

[hybrid plover]

honestly not bad

[atomic void]

man imagine a whole pack of them spawning like shotgunners

good lord

[hybrid plover]

SMOKE STOCKS ARE THROUGH THE ROOF LEMME TELL YA

[tall torrent]

His plasma shots do bleed through

Think again

[hollow ibex]

plasma gunner to deflector psyker: parry this, you filthy casual

[hybrid plover]

wait they do have bleed through damage?

oh dear

[atomic void]

imagine if the plasma gunner has infinite cleave

[tall torrent]

Just like melee atks

[stable socket]

if they're like the las gunners that have no melee to pull out when you get close... i will be sad

[hybrid plover]

oh that's bad.

[tall torrent]

Idk I think

[hybrid plover]

like really bad actually

[tall torrent]

Power sword sunder stocks are through the roof

[hollow ibex]

give him a power sword

he's a vet

plasma + psword

just on the other side

[stable socket]

i hear the plasma gunner instantly breaks all toughness, even gold (like captains) and gives toughness regen debuff afterwards... so getting hit by them is not good

[willow prairie]

gogo gadget psyker go

[hollow ibex]

I just realized

shovels are still cucked

sadge

[hollow ibex]

they do have melee

[stable socket]

oh nice

[hollow ibex]

here's a plasma captain holding up his maul proudly for your enjoyment