veteran-class

[solar valve]

Nice

[grand perch]

focused fire is max 6 stacks of FT now, how very bad still

[tall torrent]

Lemme give u a basic idea of what +45% damage means

Power sword VI normal setup for havoc does 1961 on weakspot vs carapace elite, and 2752 on crit weakspot

With skirmisher + exploit weakness fully active after update those will be 2801 and 3931 respectively

Yes you can do almost 4K in 1 crit weakspot hit, and this is before red nodes

[midnight wyvern]

[tame lodge]

Yeah but afaik flanking is ranged only

[solar valve]

They buffed scab health

[tame lodge]

But that's not important rn

[grand perch]

thats nerfed actually

[solar valve]

Breakpoints are different

[grand perch]

you get less toughness now

[solar valve]

Fair

[errant prawn]

they made pack upgrades a must have, wow.

[pseudo fiber]

lol

[tame lodge]

Stam is the same

I think

[grand perch]

because tunnel vision, a MMF subnode, desperately needed a nerf what

[midnight wyvern]

and 6 with increase

[heavy rover]

classic thicc tuna

[solar valve]

Mmf actually fine now

[tall torrent]

With marksman you do 4717 on crit weakspot

With marksman + CQKZ you do 5189 on crit weakspot

[tame lodge]

Basically zealots can't die now

[scarlet thistle]

I play vet to be shooty.

[tame lodge]

Like always

[midnight wyvern]

but you'd basically be able to maintain the 42% damage buff all the time

[tame lodge]

So nothing changed

[harsh geyser]

thats on a cooldown..right

[tall torrent]

You will do enough melee damage with power sword VI to make khorne blush

[midnight wyvern]

2 minute cooldown for until death

[ember nest]

...what do you think? that they just gave them infinite free martyrdom?

[pseudo fiber]

it's on until death 2 minute cooldown

[tall torrent]

Also this is without BiD

[midnight wyvern]

[harsh geyser]

Its fatshark, So who knows

[tall torrent]

With BiD u do 5818

branx pickaxe might as well retire

[grand perch]

with less tax nodes i may take this once in a while

[solar valve]

Does the new exploit weakness stack?

[grand perch]

and save on a stam trinket

[solar valve]

Surely not

[hybrid plover]

nah

[solar valve]

Thank god

[hybrid plover]

but that's 20% damage for essentially

playing the game

[solar valve]

Ya

Insane

[hybrid plover]

Like that's massive in itself

[solar valve]

WS still the best lmao

[grand perch]

well you do have to crit still

[solar valve]

Thats easy

[grand perch]

MMF change are...really weird imo

[solar valve]

Youre in the WS tree

[hybrid plover]

And you happen to be on the same side where dodging gives you crit chance

[grand perch]

why nerf tunnel vision its so stupid 😄

[hollow ibex]

wtf

[heavy rover]

I can work with the MMF tree

[solar valve]

I fuck with the MMF tree

[harsh geyser]

did the tree's get showed already?

[hybrid plover]

honestly

[harsh geyser]

I cant find it on their blog

[midnight wyvern]

no

[harsh geyser]

[hybrid plover]

knife vet is gonna be insane on right side now that I think about it

[heavy rover]

fuck with the mother mother fucking tree

[ember nest]

early content livestreams

[tall torrent]

No just 1 stack of +20% damage

[midnight wyvern]

@harsh geyserhttps://youtu.be/4yhtu0ur_mA?si=odbUn3vWH_KHdoqA

[tall torrent]

But I’m assuming it’s global

[harsh geyser]

at work :(

[grand perch]

i dont think left side lower tree is that amazing compared to before. you just have more points to work with

[shy raft]

So, who's got better rework, vet or zealot

[heavy rover]

vet

[tall torrent]

So this 20% should apply to gun, explosion and DOT as well

[solar valve]

Thats what the ohrasing implies

DBS gonna go insane

[midnight wyvern]

the AoE bolters is interesting lol

[grand perch]

why would it be global

[tall torrent]

It says damage, not melee damage

[solar valve]

Increases damage

[grand perch]

oh you mean global for you

[solar valve]

Ya

[grand perch]

global makes it sound like brittleness

[tall torrent]

Tdmg instead of Mdmg

[midnight wyvern]

its also on WS side, which already encourage buffing both

[hybrid plover]

yeah knife double barrel with these changes

[tall torrent]

So it applies to all damage instances u have

[hybrid plover]

chef's kiss.

[tall torrent]

Nah look at the math I just did for power sword above

[tame lodge]

Oh wow

[umbral scaffold]

whats the difference between new bolter mark ?

[solar valve]

Im happy the WS tree isnt just a damn sinkhole of talents now

[hybrid plover]

I saw the math

[tall torrent]

5818 in 1 hit vs carapace

[faint beacon]

Fym they nerfed the best part

[tame lodge]

Knife push attack spam about to be crazy

[faint beacon]

And how bad

[solar valve]

And you can always get desperado

[heavy rover]

slower fire rate, more AOE damage

[tall torrent]

We’re tearing nurgle a new one with this

[umbral scaffold]

juice

[hybrid plover]

Especially since you're not forced to use a delay node anymore?

[tall torrent]

Huh

[tame lodge]

Psyker

[tall torrent]

Did vet stamina delay get reduced?

[crude wind]

Yes

[mortal aspen]

fr?

[tall torrent]

To what

[solar valve]

Really?

Why

[tall torrent]

0.75?

[tame lodge]

That as well

[crude wind]

0.75

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[solar valve]

Is it 0.75?

[tame lodge]

Iirc

[solar valve]

Wow

[crude wind]

Yes

[pseudo fiber]

Nice

[tall torrent]

Is there still a -0.25 node?

[hybrid plover]

It says in the video you posted that one of the nodes were taken out and baked into the class

[solar valve]

Yes

[grand perch]

yes

[solar valve]

Left side

[crude wind]

Yes

[mortal aspen]

so better stam delay and built-in suppression immunity?

[solar valve]

Near MMF

[tall torrent]

Cool

Where is it

[solar valve]

Mmf

[tame lodge]

So didn't change much

[solar valve]

Right above it

[tame lodge]

[crude wind]

MMF tree

[tall torrent]

Oh ok

[grand perch]

upper left grey node is stam regen delay

[midnight wyvern]

thats pretty funny

[solar valve]

Lmao

[tame lodge]

So on the other side of weapon specialist

[solar valve]

Yes

Not needed

Tbh

[tame lodge]

Welp
Time to make jus of my name

[crude wind]

There was another change to base stats

[tall torrent]

What’s the talent below that grey node

[tame lodge]

[solar valve]

.75 good enuf

[crude wind]

Vet crit is back to 10%

Native

[hybrid plover]

wait so since it's pretty much a pick along the way to take serrated

[mortal aspen]

Thunderhammer Vet

[heavy rover]

more bullets in the magazine

[tall torrent]

Did toughness get changed

[tall torrent]

💀

[hybrid plover]

exploit weakness + skirmisher + mercy killer

[solar valve]

Incrased clipsize iirc

[hybrid plover]

💀

[crude wind]

Can't remember

[tame lodge]

15% mag size

[tall torrent]

15% mag size vs killzone

Battle of mid

[slender crown]

I pray vets tree no longer makes me want to rope

[grand perch]

thats just lock and load

[heavy rover]

well you do have shocktrooper

[mortal aspen]

Triple-barrel tho

[tall torrent]

Can’t path to left from that grey node

[pseudo fiber]

https://youtu.be/4yhtu0ur_mA?si=KuMe9xTJO5TtlZ5_&t=623

Timestamped cole going through everything

[solar valve]

@woven field whats the ES mod to the very left? I didnt see it in the vid

[heavy rover]

ah good point

[woven field]

Team share highlight

Unchanged

[solar valve]

Also ES buffs are nice

Oh

Thats unfortunate

[woven field]

Probably missed it on my scroll through

[crude wind]

Exe Stance is now very good

[solar valve]

Im not sure the mods are worth it

[crude wind]

Stealth is... Better...

[grand perch]

not really. 10% toughness regen isnt gonna make it amazing

[woven field]

I unironically swapped to the 8s one for ES

[solar valve]

Just pickup the ES

[crude wind]

Wrong

[woven field]

It’s so goddamn good now

[hybrid plover]

Unfortunately I still think VoC is gonna be the top pick

but

[solar valve]

ES was already good

Lol

Just harder to use

[grand perch]

the problem with ES wasnt that you didnt get toughness the problem is you dont get CC and golden toughness from VoC

[solar valve]

Than shout spam unga bunga

[narrow frost]

@tall torrent be honest how much of what we know so far breaks what you have already written and tested for vet guide

[faint beacon]

Bolt pistol and gun marks that focus on explosions

[hybrid plover]

I can actually see Executioner's working out in Havoc with some team comps with the added survivability tbh

[solar valve]

I mean specials are annoying af

[grand perch]

i already did play ES and MMF in havoc a lot

[solar valve]

If you can one tap em

[grand perch]

10% toughness regen isnt gonna change shit

[solar valve]

It helps a lot

[crude wind]

Have you played with it yet?

[hollow ibex]

How much better 😭

[fading yarrow]

Tfw I complain about Power Sword and Boltgun

[faint beacon]

Tunnel Vision might buff it more

[midnight wyvern]

you also have better access to other nodes for regen and TDR higher in the tree

[crude wind]

Useable but still the worst ability I'm

[fading yarrow]

Tfw FS release better Power Sword and better Boltgun

[faint beacon]

I know it’s nerfed but like overall toughness gained increase might be why

[hybrid plover]

It does make it more appealing since the primary issue with ES was the lack of any added survivability

[pseudo fiber]

auric hordes are now timer based

[tall torrent]

12 sections and maybe some ranged weapons’ breakpoint tables

[fast shale]

Hold on ex stance now gives a steady flow of shields when activated? nice

[tall torrent]

It’s not that much

[ember nest]

what is a stealth kill anyways

[hybrid plover]

Ya you could use it in Havoc before this

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/fuckfuck-fuck-fuckery-gif-12977628

[slate ocean]

new sword good?

[crude wind]

Oh yeah

[grand perch]

sure. but i liked paths idea of making ES give much more stagger soooo much more interesting for havoc

[midnight wyvern]

its a zealot thing talent, shroudfield stealth is what its for

[hollow ibex]

Infil mains will be the underdogs forever

[slate ocean]

yum yum ?

[narrow frost]

Actually surprised. Is this considering the scab enemy hp changes?

[midnight wyvern]

decapitator seems funny

120% finesse

[ember nest]

they should be removed and replaced with a volleygun

[crude wind]

Very good. Also the chainsword is getting some serious milk

[tall torrent]

I didn’t do the enemy sections because of the update

Held off on those

[narrow frost]

Good plan

Well

[slate ocean]

yah i hope so

[narrow frost]

I'm gonna rework my guide tomorrow

[tall torrent]

Talents are only 12 sections no big deal

[tame lodge]

Any news on opening Salvo

[hollow ibex]

I just don’t want to play VOC. maybe lll become an ES main

[midnight wyvern]

how long for the update btw?

[grand perch]

unchanged

[tame lodge]

Good

F tier

[tall torrent]

Can it break multiple ragers’ combo in 1 hit now

[tame lodge]

Tomorrow

[grand perch]

nah just much more cara damage on special

[midnight wyvern]

its 1am so that means little lol

[crude wind]

Not sure. It hits like a truck though.

[grand perch]

so the biggest weakness is still there

[tall torrent]

Oh then still chalked

[tame lodge]

I will not be playing DT today

Let those memories be memories

Anyways

[solar valve]

Same

[tame lodge]

Another 2k hours of psyker

[solar valve]

Im waiting for new patch

New trees

Mew havoc

Also just gonna play psyker

[midnight wyvern]

can't wait for crushers to punish me

[grand perch]

whats your comment on ES getting nothing but toughness regen?

[tall torrent]

It’s ok

[midnight wyvern]

they changing boss hp at all?

[untold mulch]

I like to play it, but the aggro dump on allies just made me not want to try anything harder than damnation

[tall torrent]

Step in the right direction

[mortal aspen]

idk, 10% is a lot

[crude wind]

Based on testing at havoc 40 the meta build for vet in a team that actually co-ordinated is likely to be exe/mmf/hellebore

We shall see though

[grand perch]

nah golden toughness still busted

[mortal aspen]

combined with all the other continuous toughness regen Vet has, you'll have like 20-30%\s

[untold mulch]

Emperor, I wish

[tall torrent]

Plasma gun guy can prob one shot full toughness anyway

[pseudo fiber]

Have the helbore sight changes also changed the weapon skins for it too? Like Vostroyan for example?

[midnight wyvern]

wonder what the spawn cue sound is for the Plasma bro

[crude wind]

Unsure. It was certainly raised though

[grand perch]

nothing

[midnight wyvern]

[heavy rover]

all I can guess, for havoc? ...yes

[grand perch]

you notice when your face melts

kidding no idea really what theyll sound like

[midnight wyvern]

no i wont

will take a second shot

[heavy rover]

plasma enemies made me realize, smoke vets get another win

[midnight wyvern]

smoke actually runnable now too

[unreal forge]

it absolutely will, did you forget about the other toughness regeneration that is gonna stack alongside it?

current Veteran can already facetank Havoc gunners

[midnight wyvern]

field improv being dead in the middle too means near no excuse for not running it lol

[grand perch]

so why do you need the 10% extra

[unreal forge]

so you can tank more

[crude wind]

This person gets it. Listen to them

[grand perch]

and thats not gonna stop that overhead

golden toughness is

[unreal forge]

erm

okay?

[grand perch]

which is why its still busted

[ornate glen]

Yeah. Barely. With toughness based curios.

[unreal forge]

overheads are not your number 1 enemy

[hybrid plover]

untrue

[unreal forge]

it's gunners and specialists

[crude wind]

No point arguing with this person, they have already made their mind up despite not having any idea what they are talking about

[hybrid plover]

gunner resistance plus iron will is what you need

[midnight wyvern]

yeah gold doesn't care about toughness amount

[mortal aspen]

10% also lets you stay in Iron Will range more easily

[midnight wyvern]

only its own

[mortal aspen]

like idk, I want to try Stance now

[midnight wyvern]

same

[solar valve]

If there is an ogryn or arbites

[midnight wyvern]

its inbuilt thing is neat and the 8s on marking the larger stuff is neat

[solar valve]

ES eill be fine now

[grand perch]

if youve been good playing stance before, you will still be good with it now. but the toughness regen alone wont keep people away from VoC for long, is my prediction

[unreal forge]

that is a very nice new addition

[hollow ibex]

Was trying to make stance work but boy was the toughness situation fucking ass

[grand perch]

it will show up in havoc, people will realise they dont have the CC and gold of VoC anymore, and switch back

[unreal forge]

there's always going to be one best

[solar valve]

Its on captains and bosses too noe

[unreal forge]

as long as exestance is GOOD ENOUGH that's fine

[solar valve]

Which is nice

[unreal forge]

atm it isn't even scratching "serviceable"

[solar valve]

ES is fine rn

Its not in havoc

[hybrid plover]

I mean, ya, VoC's gonna still be the top pick but there's genuine reason to consider Stance over it imho

[solar valve]

Because vet is squishy

[grand perch]

i played lots of ES in havoc. it needed a CC component, with or without toughness regen

[midnight wyvern]

krak buff is neat

[unreal forge]

yeah the lack of CC is pretty bad. I wonder if the other buffs will compesate for it

is krak buff just +1?

[midnight wyvern]

3 nades, shorter fuze

[grand perch]

well at least ES will help while in melee now, thats the only thing i see that could make a difference

[willow prairie]

where yall get the detailed tree

btw

[unreal forge]

videos

[hybrid plover]

there's no detail tree out atm

videos though

[mortal aspen]

Mister E went over all the vet talents

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LZkMIwpDYc

[mortal aspen]

and other people too

[grand perch]

better look here

[midnight wyvern]

https://youtu.be/4yhtu0ur_mA?si=rgm_it7qeU2_eiSg

[unreal forge]

no one's looked at the Arbites nerfs

[midnight wyvern]

bunch to dog

[mortal aspen]

I heard they are very minor

[midnight wyvern]

rip dog

[unreal forge]

I bet they haven't even changed Terminus

[hollow ibex]

Nice. That’s huge

Though could be better

[unreal forge]

if Nuncio Aquilla was made good I'd love that because it's such a cool ability but so useless

[midnight wyvern]

the uh

[willow prairie]

so what changed for arby tldr

[midnight wyvern]

nade tinkerer got buffed for kraks too I think?

from 50% to 75

[unreal forge]

I haven't found any info on this

[hybrid plover]

they "adjusted" the trees a little

[mortal aspen]

better magnetism too, whatever that means

[midnight wyvern]

but still, not fantastic damage, BUT its nice, having them often and them immediately hurting shit is good

[hybrid plover]

Not sure what adjusting actually means but something's happening to both arby and ogryn

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure this only matters to keep the kill check on ogryn enemies lol

[mortal aspen]

Krak spam build sounds good now

[hollow ibex]

Homing grenades

[midnight wyvern]

meat

[hybrid plover]

I'm delightfully glad smokes aren't taxed to shit to use anymore

[midnight wyvern]

gonna be fun to try throw 3 kraks on a DH

[mortal aspen]

Taxe\Falchion + DB Weapon Spec + 4 Kraks monkaGIGA

[midnight wyvern]

or 4 (maybe with some doubling lol) on bosses

[hollow ibex]

Don’t kraks auto kill them anyway

[pseudo fiber]

Quickpaw posted a few nerfs
#general-chat message
#general-chat message

[midnight wyvern]

sounds like easy stagger and damage

[tall torrent]

Krak has no forced kill override if I recall correctly

[willow prairie]

this is good

ngl

[crude wind]

it's certainly a start

[willow prairie]

not sure about bleed dog nerf though

[hybrid plover]

I'm sure of it

[hollow ibex]

Ah assumed it did

[willow prairie]

executioner order + monster hunter was pretty much op together

eo is also extremely easy to stack

[hollow ibex]

Idk if a dog bleed nerf was needed tbh

[tall torrent]

These are good but idk if enough

[pseudo fiber]

It got overload on it

[pseudo fiber]

Not all of them

[tall torrent]

1 thing is for sure tho

[hollow ibex]

I would’ve nerfed the stam regen delay

[willow prairie]

ogryn nerf why lol

[tall torrent]

If there was any doubt on it, they’re 100% balancing around havoc now

[hybrid plover]

Dude a good bleed dog build is grossly powerful.

[midnight wyvern]

yea no it doesn't

[hollow ibex]

Speaking of which did the fix vet stam regen?

[midnight wyvern]

also, are rumblers supposed to do it to reapers?

[pseudo fiber]

0.75

[hybrid plover]

I'm gonna say it

[midnight wyvern]

cuz I had a friend not 1 shotting them and they were coping

[hollow ibex]

Nice

[hybrid plover]

Second you mentioned "45% damage" and to get that means, you literally just have to play the game, that was confirmation right there that Havoc is the new balancing goalpost

[willow prairie]

i hope new havoc is harder

also gunner nerf

[midnight wyvern]

havoc 40 is just new numbers with current amounts of enemies

good luck

[tall torrent]

25% for sprint/slide
20% for melee crit

[pseudo fiber]

What we thinking about the falchion movesets?

[tall torrent]

Yea basically just playing the game

[midnight wyvern]

they look interesting

[tame lodge]

Fuck!

[pseudo fiber]

they seem to have definately taken inspiration from relic blade one that's easy one that's more complicated

[midnight wyvern]

the dodge distance is nuts compared to PS though

PS is -14% falchion is plus 1

[willow prairie]

that huge actually

[midnight wyvern]

though apparently the PS is even more cracked now

so deal with it

4 stam 4 dodges on falchion too

[woven field]

Power or mobility

Choose

[midnight wyvern]

3 and 3 on PS

[woven field]

[willow prairie]

mobility on falchion

[tall torrent]

That’s standard for melee weapons

[willow prairie]

dump i mean

[tall torrent]

The correct choice is basically still power sword

[midnight wyvern]

yea

[tall torrent]

Falchion’s blessing pool significantly worse

No sunder
No perfect strike

[midnight wyvern]

is it doing the nuts damage because of the 2 nodes on WS you are talking about?

the 45% damage

[tall torrent]

Worse single target damage

[tall torrent]

Those are not WS nodes

[midnight wyvern]

WS side

[mortal aspen]

something I wanted to ask: isn't Skirmisher kinda OP now? permanent 25% damage bonus pretty much?

[midnight wyvern]

or was lmao, I dunno where they are anymore

someone wake up games lantern

[hybrid plover]

honestly

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s super strong if it works proper

[hybrid plover]

probably yeah

See I thought they would make it based on stamina usage

[mortal aspen]

coupled with Exploit weakness it's just 25% and 20% damage for playing the game

at least for melee

[crude wind]

those who are saying that the balance is for Havoc, there's more to come

[hybrid plover]

But the way they handled it here is way stronger.

[crude wind]

this is not complete info

[mortal aspen]

Auric is supposed to be harder now

[crude wind]

ho

ho

ho

[midnight wyvern]

rude

[pseudo fiber]

there's captains in it

[tame lodge]

Hate it

Honestly

[midnight wyvern]

thats actually cool

idm that

[mortal aspen]

🫃 🤮

[pseudo fiber]

and hordes are now timer based

like havoc

[midnight wyvern]

thats better I feel

[pseudo fiber]

and 21st can spawn

and uhh mutated hordes?

[crude wind]

https://tenor.com/view/scary-movie-shawn-wayans-but-wait-theres-more-theres-more-funny-gif-14263131

[mortal aspen]

ok that's awesome

[midnight wyvern]

the tentacle bros?

thats all sick

loving that

[hollow ibex]

But did they rework party finder

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent thoughts on new vet build?

[hollow ibex]

That’s the hardest part of havoc

[crude wind]

i will not rest until party finder is ejected into the sun

[tropic notch]

It looks peak

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/may-i-see-it-chalmers-gif-18367950853266778478

[tall torrent]

Grab every good +damage talent and tear nurgle a new one

[hollow ibex]

Doing the lords work

[midnight wyvern]

not having to deal with dogass OCE party finder times to get my balls crushed sounds good

[hybrid plover]

So they're straight up making the game harder in Auric

[willow prairie]

good

havoc little brother

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-yes-sir-gif-9677227512883570825

[hybrid plover]

Question is, is it harder enough to offset the changes made here?

[willow prairie]

now i can play auric without being eepy

[tall torrent]

Is that really relevant
When havoc is still their balance focus

All they did was just making havoc’s scab elite hp higher

[tame lodge]

Everything is balanced around havoc
Which is a 40nins slogfest

Full of shit modifiers

[willow prairie]

not really 40 mins lol

[hybrid plover]

See that's what I'm wondering though

[unreal forge]

also the best content in the game

[tame lodge]

And broken modifiers

[willow prairie]

i mean unless it fucking carnival

[tropic notch]

What all enemies got buffed?

[cunning haven]

shock trooper so far away from onslaught 😭

[tame lodge]

Apparently only elite

[willow prairie]

biggest problem with havoc alway has been the gunner

[tall torrent]

They’re never gonna take auric as seriously as havoc since havoc is a thing now

[tropic notch]

Guh

[midnight wyvern]

anyone happen to know if bosses are getting any changes?

[hybrid plover]

Rituals still in the game despite a significant amount of them being broken

[tropic notch]

How will this affect tac axe

[tame lodge]

Havoc gunner is whatever

Havoc reaper

Yeah

[tall torrent]

It’s alr

[tame lodge]

Fear The Reaper

[midnight wyvern]

3 hits with full gold

[atomic void]

since they're balancing around havoc might as well make it an actual game mode and not garbo modifier hellfest for tryhards 👍

[midnight wyvern]

at like 1200rpm

lmao

[tropic notch]

Will they remain the same….

[atomic void]

pls and thanks

[tall torrent]

They’re balancing around a bad mode with tons of issues

To power creep everything

At least they’re power creeping in more interesting ways

[unreal forge]

the only problem is the party finder

needs quickplay

[tall torrent]

Wdym remain the same lol

[tropic notch]

Oh yeah everything is now power crept

[trim umbra]

why is the DS5 getting nerfed? i understand the DS4 had to go, but why is the DS5 getting the parry?

[tall torrent]

Because all 3 duelling swords are op

[pseudo fiber]

Because lets be honest here the entire weapon was fucked

[atomic void]

only problems is half of the modifiers
just make a diff 6 with all the good stuff from havoc without gutting players and make it qp

[tame lodge]

Yup

Fear The Reaper

[hybrid plover]

ds5 is overtuned too

[tame lodge]

Best dodges in the game

[tropic notch]

Like with the health changes what bp will it miss

[tall torrent]

No

[tame lodge]

Still hits hard

[tall torrent]

Not horde ones I think?

[trim umbra]

so we gonna fix that by giving it a special that goes against the way the DS5 is played?

[tropic notch]

I thought the ds5 was fine ngl

[trim umbra]

it was fine, one of the least played weapons

[tropic notch]

Well yeah, I believe they will remain the same with all the new nodes

I’m HYPED they baked in stam delay regen

[tame lodge]

Believe me

It was not

[tropic notch]

That’s why cole was playing vet….

[tame lodge]

It's a dueling Sword

[trim umbra]

i believe my 1100 TL vet experience that it was fine

[midnight wyvern]

yeah its fine

just a little worse than 4

slower overheads that kill in about the same amount

[pseudo fiber]

I hope they give the falchion a premium skin and still don't give relic blade one

[tame lodge]

Sure mate
Being able to deal 1.200+ damage against carapace while having the best dodges available and a special that can stagger everything not a boss

Then yeah

It was fine

💀

What's the block efficiency again

Oh yeah

A lot

[tall torrent]

It’s not the best dodges

[trim umbra]

kudos you almost got it, now tell me whats the point of giving it a parry that goes against the dodges?

[tall torrent]

But it was still op

[tame lodge]

Path

[trim umbra]

exactly how i'm gonna parry stuff when i'm behind them?

[tame lodge]

What's the block efficiency of dueling Sword again

[tall torrent]

50% front
75% rear

[trim badger]

Wait wait wait where are these changes shown

I wanna seee

[trim umbra]

it was hinted on the stream

[trim badger]

wdym hinted

[tame lodge]

And what's the block efficiency of dclaw

[trim umbra]

and we know it gets the parry from devils claw

[pseudo fiber]

https://youtube.com/shorts/GR_liGCyfmY?si=2CRGrP6PSqVyWJiW

You can see it in here

[grand perch]

time to screenshot 30 builds so i can recreate them accurately post patch

[trim badger]

Parry...

Awh ngl I kinda hated they Made it do a parry instead

Nerf good parry stinky

[trim umbra]

makes sense on the DS4

[tame lodge]

75%

So a dueling sword parry

[trim badger]

I like the poke more

[tame lodge]

Is more block efficient

[trim umbra]

thats not the point dude

[hybrid plover]

DS5 was still overtuned tbh

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[hybrid plover]

It may not been as overtuned as DS4

[tame lodge]

That's what we're saying

It was never fine

[pseudo fiber]

They also made the heavies worse I believe

idk

can't find specifcs

[hybrid plover]

But that doesn't mean DS5 wasn't either, especially with the increased dodge distance

[trim umbra]

the increased dodge distance goes nowhere, its just that you lost the stab and got nothing for it instead

[topaz scroll]

Just wanna say congrats vet mains

You finally got something

[midnight wyvern]

nah they buffed the other 2

takes away from the vet changes

[crude wind]

lol whut

[midnight wyvern]

they should've suffered so we could succeed

[crude wind]

that is acerbic man

[hollow ibex]

True

It’s not enough that I should succeed; others should fail as well

[midnight wyvern]

real

[crude wind]

O_O

[normal bay]

It's a shame 90% of vet players will never pull out their melee to test the new weapon

[trim badger]

I will keep on using DS... Nerfed or not

[midnight wyvern]

new?

[trim badger]

:3

[hollow ibex]

That’s more of a psyker thing tbh

[midnight wyvern]

why change off power sword

[normal bay]

Because curved power sword

[midnight wyvern]

but real, falchion imma use for a good while

[faint beacon]

Cause I like watching the gauge lower or fill up…

[red robin]

Omg

[normal bay]

Both?

Both

[rough adder]

Parry when you no longer have space to dodge. If you are going with the logic that DS is supposed to be a dodge focus weapon giving it a stab that instantly stagger everything in the game that's not a monster does not make sense either

[midnight wyvern]

average vet doesn't know how to take their finger of LMB with a recon lasgun

[faint beacon]

Be me

[midnight wyvern]

let alone hit something in melee

[faint beacon]

Wing it

[hollow ibex]

Reminder that DS being op passed under the radar forever while being a psyker exclusive weapon

[midnight wyvern]

ah fuck

I wonder if my build is gonna get stronger or weaker with the patch lol

loses the middle tree red node

[rough adder]

The point of the parry is that you still have a stagger tool but you can no longer use it that often

[faint beacon]

Vet/Zealot truly being the testing grounds for is something actually busted

Lmao

[normal bay]

Weapon can't be op if the user is dead

[hollow ibex]

I love watching psykers panic spray flame clouds as a crusher overheads them

[hybrid plover]

Speaking psyker

[hollow ibex]

They do this little jump oftentimes too

[midnight wyvern]

wot

[faint beacon]

This is gonna happen more

[trim umbra]

will that work on point blank gunners on a weapon that kinda specialized in peeling around and dealing with softer targets? ofc not

[faint beacon]

Cause of the crusher buff

Lmao

[hollow ibex]

Gooooood

[hybrid plover]

Anyone see Crystalline Will?

[midnight wyvern]

will

and yes

martyrdom psyker is here

[faint beacon]

Why isn’t the Crusher dying!

[hybrid plover]

oop

[faint beacon]

11K hp in H40:

Lmao

[heavy rover]

https://youtu.be/bjn74MO5Lto?si=hNN0eUIl2ZB_Pb9b

[mortal aspen]

4 crystalline will psyker Havoc 40 when

[normal bay]

One day they'll rebind that key

[hollow ibex]

What did they do to it

[heavy rover]

wait a minute... longshot got buffed?

[hybrid plover]

More damage

And

[faint beacon]

What

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-not-this-day-not-today-lord-of-the-rings-gif-14797074

[hybrid plover]

If you kill an elite, it does not deal corruption damage.

[midnight wyvern]

100% increased self pop damage and 25% increased radius

[midnight wyvern]

????

[mortal aspen]

you can cosplay a poxburster now

[midnight wyvern]

and that I guess? lmfao

[weak hamlet]

The middle part with iron will, superiority complex and trench fighter drill is where all my points are going to disappear

[hollow ibex]

Allahu snackbar build??

[normal bay]

Psyker suicide bomber builds?

[midnight wyvern]

I hate it when I have to spend 3 points on good nodes

[midnight wyvern]

yes

[hybrid plover]

Quite literally yes.

[midnight wyvern]

im doing it

[willow prairie]

sir the smyker hit the second tower

[hollow ibex]

Sweet

[pseudo fiber]

I too hate it when I trade currency for good and services

[hollow ibex]

I always wanted that

[weak hamlet]

Tf you mean hate it ? It's all three are amazing, why would you hate it ?

[midnight wyvern]

its making me spend more than 1 point

dogshit game design

[weak hamlet]

Understandable, have a nice day

[hollow ibex]

It’s basically a tax 🙂‍↕️

[midnight wyvern]

vet tree is still a tax tree

makes you spend your hard earned talent points when it should be free

#buffvet

[rough adder]

And the fact that on release shooters are scary asf so psyker usually pick force sword with deflector.

[mortal aspen]

#nerfvet

[tame lodge]

@tall torrent have you seen DD?

EO might have competition now

[weak hamlet]

I used deimos at the time because I enjoyed the pokey pokes even more than the pokey pokes of the DS

[midnight wyvern]

oh no

what did they do

[faint beacon]

5 billion buffs to psyker

[willow prairie]

mark enemy as frequently as eo

[midnight wyvern]

is it more than 1?

[willow prairie]

dd stack is now braindead to get

[tame lodge]

Just play the game lol

Welp

DD buff

Shroudfield buff

[hollow ibex]

Based

[tame lodge]

Perfectionist is back

[midnight wyvern]

smite buff is the biggest one

smite now crazy

[willow prairie]

smyker good now

can't believe it

[hollow ibex]

Wait what did they do to it lol

[faint beacon]

Unintentional perfectionist buff and you know it

Lmao

[midnight wyvern]

built in the extra target chaining to it

[steep flower]

Always has been

[tame lodge]

IT IS BACK

🗣️

[hollow ibex]

Was hoping for an actual smite rework tbh

[midnight wyvern]

flanking damage added to zealot is neat too

[weak hamlet]

Idk how to feel about catch a breath being required though, it's not that often you aren't the target of a melee attack

[midnight wyvern]

sideshots AND backshots

[tame lodge]

Lighting Storm is base now?

Oh that's

That's

Eh

Enfeeble is the real deal

[hollow ibex]

Vet kinda needed it but I hope the talent got buffed

[midnight wyvern]

nope

best change of psyker tree

[hollow ibex]

Because losing CAB for blocking melee attacks is stupid

[hybrid plover]

Thats not how it works

[tame lodge]

I mean

Eh

But at the same time

[trim badger]

It was practically being used in all good builds so idc much

[hollow ibex]

Tooltips lying as usual

[tame lodge]

Enfeeble is too good

[hybrid plover]

You can dodge the attack. Getting hit or blocking undoes it

[tame lodge]

So yeah I see why not base

[weak hamlet]

Wym

[hybrid plover]

[steep flower]

Always has been

[weak hamlet]

Oh if it works on a dodge then it's not bad yeah

But it's badly worded

But it's a fatshark game so of course it is

[hollow ibex]

Yeah just can’t get hit in melee or block a melee hit

[hollow ibex]

Yup tooltip lies

[tame lodge]

And they are giving DS a parry

#noticing

[red robin]

Damn

[midnight wyvern]

DS getting buffed

[red robin]

Any blessing changes?

[hollow ibex]

Dclaw stocks continue to fall

[tame lodge]

Don't think we have any details on those

Yet

[weak hamlet]

It's insane that both this game and V2 have so many descriptions that are flat out wrong

Like come on it's just some text, change it

[faint beacon]

Did Veterans passive even get buffed or changed

Or is it still abysmal dogshit

[red robin]

This patch will be god tier if claw gets balance changes to have better flak dmg

[tame lodge]

It won't

[midnight wyvern]

passive what lol

[weak hamlet]

How hard is it to write "after not blocking or being hit for 5 seconds"

[red robin]

Can’t have shit

[tame lodge]

Because nothing ever happens

[faint beacon]

You know the peak over cover passive

[faint beacon]

The one no one uses

[midnight wyvern]

oh lol

[faint beacon]

Cause it does literally nothing

That one

Yeah

[midnight wyvern]

I thought you still got shot behind it

[red robin]

On god

[faint beacon]

LMAO

[midnight wyvern]

yeah

[bold sierra]

how's exec stance for vet now witht he rework?

[serene bough]

This is a vet passive?

[bold sierra]

we got any pics of it or anything?

[faint beacon]

Determined becoming Vets actual passive would be much appreciated

[faint beacon]

Yup

Vet exclusive passive

[serene bough]

What is it even called

[tame lodge]

Basically every enemy aims for the head

[faint beacon]

Only class that can cover peak

[red robin]

Skirmisher went from F/D tier to what tier now?

[faint beacon]

But it does literally nothing

[red robin]

Sliding nutty

[faint beacon]

No buffs

[faint beacon]

I’d say C/B imo

[red robin]

Hell yeah

[faint beacon]

Sliding alone is insane uptime

[red robin]

Question is

[faint beacon]

That’s what you’re doing on Vet like 90% of the time

[cunning haven]

it has 10% toughness regen per second now

[tame lodge]

In the code
Cover_peeking

[midnight wyvern]

everyone forgetting

[red robin]

Is it all sliding like dodge slides, or just sprint sliding

[midnight wyvern]

biggest rework to come

papi milk

[faint beacon]

Psy- Zealot

[red robin]

Wait

[woven field]

https://youtu.be/lsJ3le85Pxs

for later

[red robin]

It’s tunnel vision still in the game?

[serene bough]

1.8k hours later and im now just learning this is a vet exclusive passive

[woven field]

spaced apart a bit so algorithm doesn't hate me

[tame lodge]

Legit thought you were joking

[woven field]

@dark flower and I were running on fumes from lack of sleep

[serene bough]

No im serious lmao

I knew it existed as a mechanic but not realize it was vet only

[hollow ibex]

Fair tbh

[sharp epoch]

most useless passive ever is why

[faint beacon]

It’s cause it’s useless tbh

I can’t blame you

[serene bough]

Yeah

[faint beacon]

I’ve known about it since I was a wee new Vet

[serene bough]

100% garbage mechanic i discovered once by accident

Never utilized in any combat situation

[midnight wyvern]

ah, 19 hours 15 min for update

smashing

[mortal aspen]

Vet should have a button to go into 3rd person and snap to cover

[rough adder]

Maybe it's not supposed to. Maybe you are supposed to utilize the dodge to "peeling around and dealing with softer target", and use parry to stagger stuff that's in your face and you cannot deal with by dodging.
What you need to understand is that we are working on the basis that DS stab is not something that should have existed

[cunning haven]

the one mission where you defend a spiral staircase and enemies are dropping from above. there is cover you can use to shoot up while covering from the ones on the ground. you can do this for like 10 seconds before you are surrounded by horde.

[rare depot]

So uh... fatshark.. Wheres the stubber for the veteran? its been in the perk window for a long fucking time now.

[daring rampart]

one day my friend one day

[trim umbra]

but that brings us to the least offensive of the DS trio being nerfed the hardest and for no good reason

[serene bough]

Huge value

[rare depot]

Why do literal hobo traitors get one, but Grendyls fucking lunatics dont get it

[daring rampart]

im kinda bummed we didnt see something like the hev stubber or a plas pistol for vet buter i'm sure we'll get new ranged family one eventually

[cunning haven]

it helps but u want to be dodging instead to build reciprocity if you have it 🙁

[rare depot]

Like, why do we not have Hot shots either? They're infinitely more common than boltguns and plasma guns

like they're hallmark weapons in the inquisition.

[cunning haven]

covering fire got nerfed 🙁

[bold sierra]

thats gonna be huge for iron will holy

[daring rampart]

still no inquisiton storm trooper cosmetic either 👴

[tame lodge]

I feel like
Darktide was supposed to be more tactical shooter
But they had to release the game early and shit

[faint beacon]

Rodie cover hopping like a Gears player LMAO

[tropic notch]

Is there a breakdown on the new vet tree?

[willow prairie]

good

[cunning haven]

they could still give it better crit chance or toughness damage reduction to encourage you to use it

[rare depot]

I'll bet you 10 cans of corpse starch its the same fucking thing but slightly more moldy.

[faint beacon]

I have it’s just so ungodly situational that its basically useless

Only peek to check my surroundings or where the gunners are

[tropic notch]

It’s not he basically got reworked

[pseudo fiber]

If you're willing to watch youtube there are lots of videos going over it

[cunning haven]

you are actually in more danger exposing your head then dancing around dodge spamming

[tropic notch]

I figured

[pseudo fiber]

Cole and Vamp for example
https://youtu.be/-LZkMIwpDYc?si=LSxfvPVcCebCQ8cF&t=662

[midnight wyvern]

vamp isn't real

[faint beacon]

Kinda? I need to see the actual talents

Cause like some are healthy changes

Biggest W is moving the must picks to the start

And more freedom of choice

But I’m noticing some shitter talents are still well

Shitters

[tame lodge]

If you see a teammate getting lasered, it's all headshots

[cunning haven]

does anyone think covering fire could be good for boss fights

[tame lodge]

These moebian don't play

[faint beacon]

Still a throw pick unfortunately

[tame lodge]

It would be fantastic if it procced on shooting monstrosities

[rare depot]

Honestly, when it comes to boss fights i just special attack spam with chainsword because chainsword is literally broken.

[cunning haven]

i mean, if an ally getting targetted and you shooting specials and hordes it could help keep your team alive maybe?

[faint beacon]

It would be good if if gave the vet a slightly nerfed buff of what was being applied to his team

[cunning haven]

i need to see that still

[faint beacon]

VOC, Born Leader

[tame lodge]

Just shoot the boss

Important target must go down

[rare depot]

if the boss dies in 20 seconds because 3 dinguses with chainswords turn them into pavement paint they dont die either.

[tame lodge]

Dps dps dps

[cunning haven]

fair, i can get bring it down now cuz less taxes

[rare depot]

Like yeah, powersword is fun because you can ignore armor, but chainsword just doesn't care, its dps is so ungodly high that if multiple people are running it its just insane.

[trim badger]

If Zealot had to play like tactical I would've probably kms

[cunning haven]

how does the new power cutlass compare? and can u get past bulwark shields?

[rare depot]

They do tho? They tactically approach the enemy as fast as possible to gift them punishment for being heretics.

[atomic void]

darktide and tactical? game is too fast paced and too forgiving for tactial play

[rare depot]

Since they said it works like the relic sword, i assume no.

[tame lodge]

Zealot would probably be centered around sprint dodge

[rare depot]

Sir, this is 40k tactical, not modern tactical.

[atomic void]

what would that be good sir

[cunning haven]

my tactics involve finding a tunnel and holding left click with recon lasgun till i die 🥳

[atomic void]

this is the way

[rare depot]

Don't stand in gas or fire, punch someone in the face before you die.

[atomic void]

instructions unclear ill stand in fire and tank it with voc

[hasty pasture]

Glad you vets finally get a rework

[rare depot]

As any Emperor fearing servant would.

[slow spade]

Time to dust off my vet after arbites

[atomic void]

for da embrah

[trim badger]

Zealot should defenitely be kept to VT2 gameplay loop

[solar valve]

Plasma pistol when

[slow spade]

Surely I'll adjust well going from Arbites to Vet UwU

[solar valve]

I suspect within a year

[rare depot]

Every time I open the vet perk tree I get so mad though, bastards are taunting me.

[faint beacon]

Kinda glossed over how insane

E.Weakness is now

Especially if you get Recip

[dark flower]

so fucking true

[tropic notch]

Yeah it’s insane

[grand perch]

aw longshit taken

[pseudo fiber]

It's so insanely good

[pseudo fiber]

But it's got value now

[sly orchid]

Omw throwing 500 kraks

[slow spade]

To be fair, it's not obvious that Longshot is dogshit

[tropic notch]

@faint beacon zealot has reso but just pure damage

[grand perch]

not in the current tree

[tropic notch]

Idk if you saw

[dark flower]

was this a successful run i dont remember

[rare depot]

I want my damn stubber, if the hobo can have it why cant I?

[grand perch]

the stubber is ok

longshot isnt (until patch tomorrow)

[faint beacon]

Honestly a must pick on any gun that crits on Vet which is like

All of them

Lmao

[cunning haven]

i want to be him

[mortal aspen]

exploit is melee only, no?

[solar valve]

Smoke nade equip time buff actually yuge

[faint beacon]

Certain areas yes

But it’s very much a great change

[solar valve]

Vet is much better

[grand perch]

but you still gotta melee crit to trigger EW

[rare depot]

I just want my damned machine guns.

[rare depot]

Damn right, i want my damn machine guns.

[faint beacon]

Taxe value Sky rocketing dude

[cunning haven]

same, but recon has +180 rounds and even more with shock trooper and that new +15% clip size talent

[grand perch]

until 3 crushers come along

short tax stocks then

[mortal aspen]

krak krak krak krak

[rare depot]

I mean yeah but thats the 40k equivalent to running around with a P90.

Sure, the P90 fun, but god damn having a whole ass machine gun would be funner.

[mortal aspen]

Krakhead DB Vet build is the first thing I'm gonna do

[cunning haven]

if we could get a powerpack node or something to say less stamina/speed for no reloads will be funny

[sharp hamlet]

Scab Volleygun, my beloved

[rare depot]

the Hot-Shot-Volley-Gun is powered via a power backpack so there is no reloads for it, just heat and power drain.

[cunning haven]

Helbore Volley Gun

imagine

[sharp hamlet]

I NEED IT

[woven field]

Yes

[rare depot]

https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/optimized/3X/8/1/81893cc05063057f6bbd14d8632aefb03f911db7_2_323x500.jpeg

I am about to loot this motherfuckers body for it.

[cunning haven]

he actually got a prayer scroll

huh

[rare depot]

He's confused, but he got the spirit.

[sharp hamlet]

We already have the armor (sans this peak helmet) give us the volleygun Obese Megalodon I beg you

I want to give the scab gunners a taste of their own medicine for once.

[rare depot]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer-40k-darktide/images/9/94/Dreg-gunner.png/revision/latest?cb=20230319235725

I'm about to loot this motherfuckers corpse too.

https://tenor.com/view/funny-tiktok-give-me-that-gif-23918318

[cunning haven]

bayonet included

[pseudo fiber]

Please stop touching heretics weapons.

[sharp hamlet]

Can you imagine? Maximum BRRRT, and a bayonet special? Peak.

[rare depot]

I have 37 gallons of Nuln Oil, there is no heretical taint surviving the Nuln bath.

[pseudo fiber]

Hahahahahaha

[sharp hamlet]

Gonna take it to Hadron to be redeemed, we good.

[daring rampart]

Fatshark pls new vet ranged next patch 🫃

The bolters look great but cmon that heavy stubber has been taunting everyone in the skill menu for over a year bro please

[tame lodge]

Real question

[sharp hamlet]

If grey weapons start out as profane, does that mean that there’s a chance that they were looted from heretic corpses?

[tame lodge]

Rashad havoc

[rare depot]

Hear me out.

Veterans get the Heavy Stubber, Volley gun and the Hot-Shot las weapons.

The end.

[tame lodge]

Real again

Or not

[rare depot]

Actually no. Edit.

Long Las as well.

[sharp hamlet]

Hello? Based Department? Yeah. I want to report something based I heard today.

[low oar]

Wish granted, but the new ranged gun is unusably bad

[daring rampart]

I need stubber and volley gun with a inquisition storm trooper outfit set

[rare depot]

Listen, I'll sell my pants for a volley gun or heavy stubber.

[tame lodge]

We saw the cutscenes
I was looted from a loyalist

Which means

Something

Idk

[sharp hamlet]

Pain, forgot about that

[tame lodge]

Can't type fast

[sharp hamlet]

My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined

[tame lodge]

Pen ink on my screen

On my fingers

[rare depot]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fshouldnt-veterans-have-stubbers-like-the-dreg-gunners-v0-6w6y40n67hud1.png%3Fwidth%3D771%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D166ec652807bf7fa0940ba025ef6851093b2f374

Arbite gunner.

[tame lodge]

Can't type

Sheesh

[daring rampart]

Makes me think we’ll get stubber one day shared between vet n Arbites

That’s my cope atleast

They did say next patch more full of content so we can hope

[tame lodge]

10 months

[rare depot]

This has been insulting my fucking existence for a fat minute now every time I play the game, I doubt those bastards are going to give me a beltfed machine gun.

[tame lodge]

One vet weapon

[daring rampart]

And it’s a melee

[daring rampart]

Ik brah ts infuriates me it’s right there

[sharp hamlet]

Bulletstorm vet wit’ da ciggie, my beloved

[pseudo fiber]

What if there's another one in December

Which is also melee

[daring rampart]

They said next patch this year

[pseudo fiber]

It's also bigger

[daring rampart]

Prob will be dec

[rare depot]

Yeah, its gonna be a boltgun varient that doesnt explode.

[daring rampart]

The boltguns are really cool I’m ngl

A new vet unique shoulda been ranged tho I think

[rare depot]

They did do boltguns better than space marine 2 did, fucking nurf guns.

[sharp hamlet]

Or a burst-fire version of the existing infantry las (would be nice actually, but still just a weapon variant essentially).

[hollow ibex]

Speaking of which

I wonder if they finally fixed Columnus vigil mag size

To idk, make it ACTUALLY DIVISIBLE BY THE BURST SIZE?

[tame lodge]

I personally don't mind

Vet needs more melee

[willow prairie]

no ahaa get fucked

[pseudo fiber]

Was made by the French

[rancid egret]

Fear not the witches

[willow prairie]

yeah vet need more melee

[rancid egret]

We've been blessed with power falchions!

[sharp hamlet]

Don’t get me wrong, the power falchion is neat and all. But to me, the update is just that vet got a power sword variant, and some new bolter variants. Nothing exactly “new” in that regard.

[rare depot]

Yeah, the day they make the chainsword not the best melee in the game without any competition

[hollow ibex]

Vet melee looks like it’s going to be pretty cracked now

[daring rampart]

I agree more power swords is a win tbh just wanna mald about no hev stubber

[willow prairie]

vet the strongest melee class fr

[tame lodge]

Well

[sharp hamlet]

Maybe I’m just jaded now, after all this time without the volleygun lmao.

[tame lodge]

They nerfed duelist

[daring rampart]

It’s cus it’s an “inbetween” update which are generally a little smaller