#veteran-class

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jolly quail
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is anyone farming killshot ready and wants to make a private lobby so we can farm hordes in mercantile map...

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im at 1600/2500 through mortis and im so bored

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will never ever touch marksman focus again after this

grand perch
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i need to deinstall darktide, ill never land a better shot than this

tame lodge
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ATF ready

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Also vigi 7 propaganda
We love to see it

jolly quail
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what wepaon is that

tame lodge
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Vigilant 7

jolly quail
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ah the autogun

grand perch
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the oft overlooked family of weapons, but my all time favorite

jolly quail
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ive only played braced autogun yet

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on zealot

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enjoyed it

jolly quail
hollow ibex
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based on the how dogshit the servers are

grand perch
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for sure

tame lodge
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It's called Karskin double tap because the first shot disappears due to poor hit reg

grand perch
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kasrkin packet loss wasnt as catchy too

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they lose packets like they did their planet

jolly quail
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🥲

midnight wyvern
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they've been typing all the update posts and then leaving them on drafted

narrow widget
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they're dead as fuck

tall torrent
jolly quail
jolly quail
mortal aspen
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we did it, reddit

orchid hemlock
earnest thicket
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damnit the overwatch penance is kinda hard

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anybody got any tips?

umbral scaffold
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infantry autogun fucks ?

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or its lame

little turret
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Why is this chat full of actual advice for penances while the zealot chat is full of frog videos?

orchid hemlock
earnest thicket
orchid hemlock
little turret
orchid hemlock
little turret
mortal aspen
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or you know

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git gud

earnest thicket
mortal aspen
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that penance encourages learning how to play the game properly

little turret
mortal aspen
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I and many people do it accidentally

little turret
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I'm sure yeah

mortal aspen
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you have shout and golden toughness

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you're not supposed to be pounced on or hit in melee, but this penance gives you leeway anyway

dusk osprey
orchid hemlock
dusk osprey
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to join my team !

tame lodge
orchid hemlock
dusk osprey
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the team !

orchid hemlock
little turret
dusk osprey
tame lodge
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Then back to frog posting

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Ferret posting

void dragon
tame lodge
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Anime posting

orchid hemlock
tame lodge
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Dying Light posting

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And on and on and on

dusk osprey
orchid hemlock
dusk osprey
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u kno what

little turret
little turret
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I only started playing zealot a couple of days ago

void dragon
mortal aspen
orchid hemlock
little turret
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I've just been avoiding psyker

orchid hemlock
little turret
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I'll do it eventually, just you know, when I feel like I haven't suffered enough

narrow frost
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Psyker should be the last to level for new players

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they have to manage a class mechanic while also learning the game mechanics

little turret
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I was playing the whole game on a ROG Ally. I only managed to get access to my PS again like 2 weeks ago so trying to aim on a fkin 8 inch screen really taught me good

narrow frost
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while also being the class with the least damage reduction

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and their most powerful weapons locked to max level

orchid hemlock
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Nah Psyker is easier just press 2 buttons everything dies

sly orchid
narrow frost
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(staffs and bototm of talant tree perks)

sinful palm
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Take smite and be a true smyker

little turret
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I dont aim I just feel. 🚬

sly orchid
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Its a shame that psyker got the scrier peril reduction and the node to have 10s perils immunity

narrow frost
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a good way to level psyker is to ignore smite and take assail, take either gaze or shriek for an extra cushion for peril explosion and to not use staffs till max level

little turret
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Well I have to relevel all my characters again so that's why I decided to just use zealot. I leveled veteran as my first, then abrites alongside ogryn

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Vets my favourite but I find Ogryn way more survivable and I just take Arbites out when I want to switch off

void dragon
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Sparkhead is a glass Cannon, so you will die a lot in the process of learning it, but it's one of the few classes that can out damage an arby or ogryn nowadays

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And if you become proficient in melee combat it can do more damage than a Zealot (but naturally is still quite fragile so most builds will lean into being mid range)

little turret
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I've gotten a lot better at melee since using Zealot the past while

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Possibly having an actual TV and not running on potato mode helped too

hybrid plover
fading yarrow
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... Did pressing left on the D-pad always open the Operative screen

tame lodge
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Yeah

fading yarrow
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Do y'all think 7.6 million dockets, 322k plasteel and 142k diamantine will be enough to farm a good power saber

hollow ibex
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if i were you, i'd grind up to 25m dockets before the update

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just in case

midnight wyvern
spice shard
plain osprey
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I wonder If the power saber will feel better

spice shard
plain osprey
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Moving with the power sword always felt like moving with a sack of cement.

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So i hope the saber moves more fluidly

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And the activation and stamina drain isnt as bad

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Current power sword feels worse to move with than the combat axes

plain osprey
toxic reef
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I keep spending melk bucks on random curios trying to get max toughness ones for all my characters

heavy rover
old cobalt
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Would your typical recon lasgun shouty boi vet build also work with Hellbore?

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Or are there talents I'm gonna have to respec for?

hollow ibex
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yeah you can use the same build

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unless you're trying to specialize more

gritty mural
old cobalt
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Im a returner and when I came back to seeing all of my weps at 0 mastery i knew I had a LOT of grinding to do lmao

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I just joined a game in progress, got the defeat screen fresh out of loading screen, and immediately got an error 5001 connection issue and got booted back to menu

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i dont think tonight is a darktide night

spice shard
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just how i love it

tall torrent
orchid hemlock
formal ice
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2 days and 3 hours left for veteran nerf

old cobalt
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when people say "farm for a good weapon"

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do they just

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buy vendor whites until they get what they want

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and then upgrade to 500 Transcendent?

formal ice
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Farm = gamble

old cobalt
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is

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is that a yes

formal ice
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Gamble

narrow frost
old cobalt
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got it

spice shard
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literally just go to brunts random weapon thing

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keep buying until you get a 60 in moblilty or defense

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then upgrade whatever you get when you do

hybrid plover
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Other than plasma

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Good luck if you want a god roll with plasma lol

old cobalt
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why is plasma so hard?

tall torrent
old cobalt
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Ahhh

mortal zinc
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Which is what?

tropic notch
mortal zinc
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That's....indeed unique

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Well...I have one sitting in the back with 68 Charge/72 Thermal

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That should maybe do fine for now

tall torrent
mortal zinc
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Ah, then I'm fine for now, a little under the breakpoints, but almost there

tall torrent
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because the actual thermal resist requirement is 68.?% and idk what that ? decimal is

mortal zinc
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I just hopped in game so let me check

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7 times, so I'll maybe need to get a replacement

tall torrent
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Unfortunate

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If u don’t have 5M+ dockets on standby that can be thrown away

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Just go for a thermal dump

snow valve
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Just started playing this week and the Emperor gave me a 440 transcendent 69/71 plasma gun after my first auric maelstrom run

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Still can't find my last 17% toughness relic though :cccccc

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After that I'm full build

primal zealot
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if i could id give u one for that plasma

teal lance
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Change my mind, a high performing Veteran is more impressive than a high performing Arbitrator

primal zealot
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yeaj

hollow ibex
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a high performing arbi means nothing

tame lodge
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Arby's gameplay

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🛌

primal zealot
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🦮

regal smelt
tropic notch
hybrid plover
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it's a sad day when a havoc is going really well and you get a bugged double ritual spawn 😔

narrow frost
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Which map?

hybrid plover
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The Carnival

narrow frost
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Merc has bugged spawns?

hybrid plover
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has to be because two just popped up and we rushed one since it was there but the second immediately started filling up even though we didn't see it at all

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like as soon as it popped up on the screen

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surprised me too

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i know that happens on power matrix but I've never seen it on Merc

narrow frost
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This is after 1st airlock right before elevator?

hybrid plover
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actually it was before the airlock

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next to the medicae

narrow frost
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Did you perchance forget to clear the back right corner....

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And walked past the next trigger so it made the ritual behind you fast

hybrid plover
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That's weird if that is what happened since we didn't even get a moment to actually look for it

narrow frost
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I wasnt there

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But I only know of 1 bugged spawn

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And it's not in the courtyard

hybrid plover
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Like if that is what happened, then ya I guess we just didn't look hard enough but also the meter started filling as soon as it popped up on screen

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So if not bugged, still kinda bullshit anyway

narrow frost
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Yeah, some spawns are tucked in corners people don't normally look

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Oublette and Merc has 1

hybrid plover
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Ye I get that, just that we were given like

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No leeway to actually look for it

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And there was another spawn right in front of us too so honestly it just doesn't seem like it was meant to be

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Even weirder is that the meters both popped up at the same exact time

hybrid plover
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so I may have gotten

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quite possibly the most rage inducing dc i have ever experienced in my near 3k hours in this game

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i cant even muster up the will to play

eternal venture
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The one that immediately comes to mind is after the first drop, after the first event

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You can get a ritual on the west side (near the gate), and one in that area far to the east that you normally never run through

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I had a game spawn both at once earlier

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The other bugged spot is before the BIG open plaza, before you enter the brewery

hybrid plover
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two meters immediately spawned, but there was just no sight of the second ritual and it basically started filling as soon as it spawned

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I really wish rituals were better implemented

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They're a really cool idea in theory but are really annoying in practice

eternal venture
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We might have been in the same game together lol

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There's a third bugged spot near the very end, in that final stretch before the bridge to the arena

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The ritual can spawn where players respawn there, but it'll start ticking up when you're at the complete far end from it

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Rituals should just be disabled asap imo

hybrid plover
eternal venture
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until they can be fixed

eternal venture
hybrid plover
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LOL

eternal venture
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I was a Psyker (Akkara)

hybrid plover
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fuckin A

eternal venture
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The DH went immediately to me and tunneled me lol

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I have deranked twice today to bugged ritual spawns

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I keep bouncing between 38-39 because of them

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It's either that or crashes on maps like Baross

hybrid plover
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I am slowly losing hope in ever getting to 40 assignment solely because of the amount of jank that happens in Havoc at this point

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I was doing a Gloriana run

eternal venture
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Yeah I just want to host my own 40s

hybrid plover
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We were at the end and on the second objective and the game dced

eternal venture
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Oh yeah Gloriana can crash there too

hybrid plover
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Probably the most disheartening dc I've gotten yet

eternal venture
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H40 isn't even that bad when it works properly, usually

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We were doing fine in that mission until the bugged ritual

hybrid plover
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Yeah that game was going really smoothly and then it just, wasn't.

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And it really wasn't anyone's fault but the game's honestly.

eternal venture
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Yep

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Havoc moment

hybrid plover
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It's annoying to actually like Havoc, with the understanding that it's also just, broken sometimes.

eternal venture
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Climbing is part skill, part "is the mission going to be bugged in some way"

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Yeah it's insanely fun when it actually works properly

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and once you get to 40, you don't have to worry about deranking so long as you get one single win a week

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which is nothing. It's the climb to 40 that sucks

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Very backwards system lol

hybrid plover
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I just think they need to take out deranking entirely

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The server isn't even reliable enough to actually accomodate for a system like that.

eternal venture
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yeah idk what purpose it serves really

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It's supposed to be like a WoW Mythic Key, except the game crashes or bugs out half the time

hybrid plover
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Liking Havoc truly is like having an abusive spouse

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OTL

eternal venture
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basically lmao

royal karma
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Opinions on the possible power Saber?

eternal venture
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No idea

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If it's like the Vermintide Falchion, it'll have decent cleave and awkward single target

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But I imagine it'll be better than that

hybrid plover
eternal venture
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lmao

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I just got another strike

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because one person dced while loading in

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nvm we were able to invite them back

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I've had games that ended for that very reason though

royal karma
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Hoping for another good vet weapon tbh the ds is boring as hell in my opinion

eternal venture
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I'm a heavy sword and claw mk4 enjoyer

royal karma
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Claw my beloved

hybrid plover
eternal venture
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But I'm looking forward to the falchion

royal karma
hybrid plover
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it's good on vet. does kinda struggle with rampaging enemies particularly though

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but then again, vet in general struggles with that modifier

royal karma
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I enjoy the power sword on vet personally

hybrid plover
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I mean it really is technically vet's best option

royal karma
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It's not great but it's a cool weapon

hybrid plover
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But I also just do not like how it feels

royal karma
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I don't usually run vet on anything higher than like h25 anyway

hybrid plover
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certified vet main on h40s B)

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please help me

royal karma
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I respect it

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Vets fighting demons to do the same as an ogryn or an arb does in like 2 inputs

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Do hope he gets a buff to his guns or another viable option

eternal venture
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Oh my god now ANOTHER person dced and they can't get back in

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THIS GAME

hybrid plover
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tbf a vet who actually goes out of their way to prioritize specialists is pretty invaluable

royal karma
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Yea I know some good vets that do great work

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Usually chill guys as well

eternal venture
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it makes life so much easier as psyker or ogryn

royal karma
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Scav is also really nice

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Good with hard hitting slow guns

eternal venture
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rumbler and grenade gauntler enjoyers will love you

royal karma
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Oh yea for sure

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Would be cool to one day get a grenade launcher on another class

austere mica
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Please no

royal karma
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Or a havoc launcher would be pretty insane but that's not gonna happen

austere mica
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Having 1 is bad enough

royal karma
willow prairie
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but yeah

willow prairie
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they're more useful for stagger than actually killing thing

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except ogryn bomb

royal karma
junior grail
mortal aspen
royal karma
thin stone
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Does anyone have any guesses what the veteran changes will be?

meager echo
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Ds nerf, plasma gun ner, voc no longer give gold toughness KEKW_ogryn

royal karma
thin stone
thin stone
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AAAAAAAAAAAAA

eternal venture
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Kruber's needed his mortar/nade launcher since VT1!

meager echo
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Lore accurate guardmanKEKW_ogryn

eternal venture
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tbh if a VoC nerf comes with big buffs to the other two ults, I'm okay with that

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I just have no idea how you'd make the other ults compete with "stagger every 20 seconds, with gold armor"

meager echo
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If they nerf vet, its back to 2 zealot comps

eternal venture
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Vet weapons don't really need the extra damage that Exe gives you, and Infil is... Infil

meager echo
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I dont even know why people complain about plasma gun tbh

eternal venture
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Their perspective is probably regular auric

meager echo
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Thats even worse

eternal venture
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It feels 'fine' for Havoc (I prefer Helbore Mk3 anyway)

meager echo
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In auric exterminator shotgun out kill it

royal karma
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Apart from like the bolter

eternal venture
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and Helbore

meager echo
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It's suppose to be good, because its the unique class weapon

thin stone
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Veteran in havoc feels cooked

eternal venture
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Every now and then you see a silly recon do fine in a h40 game

thin stone
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No

meager echo
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No man, vet havoc is strong

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Mandatory

thin stone
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Recon lasgun sus

eternal venture
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Vet is very useful in havoc

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It just feels bad to be relegated to "VoC and grenade role," with some extra juice to kill specials and gunners

thin stone
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I think it was @tall torrent who said vet is worst in havoc

eternal venture
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Zealot has it worse imo

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Shredders and Smokes both have their place, too

thin stone
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Why's that?

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Oh

meager echo
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Yeah, zealot has it worse in havoc

eternal venture
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in fact, I'm happy Havoc gave Smokes a new lease on life

thin stone
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Why is zealot worse in havoc?

royal karma
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I know it's good but it's so damn slow

eternal venture
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Zealot is pigeonholed into Chorus duty

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Or bosskilling with hammer if you're feeling spicy

royal karma
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Or blight clense

eternal venture
midnight wyvern
eternal venture
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And yeah Beacon is very useful for all of the corruption you accumulate throughout the mission from gas, stray hits, slug trails, etc.

royal karma
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I also don't think I'm legally allowed to use it without the Krieg skin

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Zealot rework cannot come soon enough

midnight wyvern
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I personally don't think you need to stack bacon AND field improv but one or the other works, imo field improv always gooder

eternal venture
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Zealot is in most need of an overhaul imo

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Field Improv is wonderful

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You also get to feed your ogryn bombs

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Which is incredibly clutch

midnight wyvern
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yee

meager echo
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Zealot = hard support, low dmg out put, he has to sacrifire his dmg to keep book up time.

Vet = soft support, high boss + elite dmg, above average horde, special snipe potential.

midnight wyvern
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possibly 5 chained bombs is pretty funny

eternal venture
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I've saved runs just slurping up the ammo kit and tossing bombs at giant red elite hordes

royal karma
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I never really have Field improv much

midnight wyvern
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you should

royal karma
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Tbf I don't play with many veterans

midnight wyvern
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its such high value for 1 talent

eternal venture
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Vet has a lot of niches yeah

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biggest issue is just the other two ults not having much use + tree is a little bloated

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Field Improv is great

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I'm so happy whenever other vets run it

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It lets you tank daemonhosts and twins much easier too

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or multiple bosses at once (which happens a lot in havoc)

midnight wyvern
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in the unfortunate case of a ritual popping yeah, always nice to have the extra tool that can cleanse toughness

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it also heals really fast

eternal venture
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Yeh

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Just very nice all-around to have

meager echo
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Smoke = no range twin. He has his gun out, run around then stare at you KEKW_ogryn

eternal venture
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Smokes completely shut off Rodin's gun yeah

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and the Captain's gun too

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They just wander around and try to hit things occasionally

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it also confuses dogs and ragers

midnight wyvern
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im keen for when vet tree doesn't shove a barbed baseball bat up your ass for running smokes

eternal venture
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If smokes came with a stagger, they'd be amazing

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biggest issue is that you have to zigzag to pick it up yeah

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shredders are generically useful

midnight wyvern
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I like them, they're like a bubble for certain uses in some situations

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but going that side of the tree for them is just pain

eternal venture
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I've seen kraks oneshot elites in H40, but you might need to stack a few buffs to get it to work

midnight wyvern
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already strained for points

eternal venture
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Even psykers will love your smokes because they will help preserver their bubble's health

midnight wyvern
eternal venture
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They're great for revives as well

eternal venture
midnight wyvern
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the almost no input being fuckin

eternal venture
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I didn't know if you had to have a damage buff up to get it to work

midnight wyvern
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"dont get targetted by melee for 8 seconds and get 15% base damage"

eternal venture
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Ahh that's it then

midnight wyvern
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but I doubt you need it

eternal venture
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Or you VoC

formal ice
eternal venture
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with the "damage buff on ult" talent

formal ice
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Just don't get hit

midnight wyvern
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cracks do plenty of damage

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just not to bosses

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lol

eternal venture
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Being able to remove a few red/yellow crushers on command is very nice

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your ogryn/arb will love you

midnight wyvern
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when your team is forced into a corner and 20 of them are stacked so close together the krak kills most of them

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god that killfeed is nasty

eternal venture
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the pop sound is so satisfying too

meager echo
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I think arbj is the worst class for h40, he has no niche

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Too generalis5

midnight wyvern
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💀

eternal venture
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No way

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Shock mines are busted

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Arb is just generically strong

meager echo
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Why would you need it tho

midnight wyvern
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its some low tier bait

eternal venture
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The double arb comps you see in havoc lobbies are traps though

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avoid those

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Usually bad players + you're starved for gold armor or bubble

midnight wyvern
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depends how they're built and being played

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and what else is being run

eternal venture
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Arb not dying + shock mines + shock dog + generic high damage + generic stagger patches up the holes in a team

meager echo
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Psyker + vet is mandatory

eternal venture
meager echo
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The only 2 slots to fill is zeal or ogryn

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Why would anyone pick arbi over ogryn or zealot tho

eternal venture
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Shock mines are so incredibly strong for stopping a hallway

midnight wyvern
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I've had runs with 2 arbs, one frontline with Cas and one holding rear with BTL and its so braindead easy, the Book zealot and me on VoC vet was just unga bunga swinging

eternal venture
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and shock dog stunlocks bosses

midnight wyvern
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played a level 34 or whatever like it was auric

eternal venture
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Arb weapons are overtuned too

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probably one of the best clutch classes as well with maul or maul + shield

midnight wyvern
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and then they're dead

eternal venture
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Maul + Shield also gives you a giant conal stun on a short cooldown too

eternal venture
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constantly regenerating

meager echo
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Even with the dancing exploit, arbi get dwarf by ogryn in every metric.

eternal venture
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Arb gets nicked less by stray gunfire and disablers

midnight wyvern
eternal venture
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that's one thing it has over ogryn

midnight wyvern
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one thing lol

eternal venture
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among other things, like a million ways to regen toughness without having to hit enemies

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and again, mines/dog

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Dog also lets you remove a special on command

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with hardly any cooldown

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It's really freaking good

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You can even free yourself if you get pounced/mutied

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Also Arb's weapon damage is just overtuned lol

midnight wyvern
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can also kill the trapper that trapped you if you do get trapped

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just ping them lol

eternal venture
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they're tuned for h40 play

eternal venture
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being able to prevent yourself/someone else from being trapped just by double pinging a trapper is super useful

meager echo
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Of course they are viable, but if we talking about optimal team comp, arbi is not in the list.

eternal venture
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Nuncio is also super clutch if you're forced to hold a corner

midnight wyvern
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can also clear gunners or even whole groups of gunners holding bad spots that are hard to get to with the dog

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while having 0 risk

eternal venture
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In a typical team comp, I'd swap Zealot or Arb out as interchangeable

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Ogryn/Vet/Psyker/Flex

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you could also swap vet out for arb and run zealot in the last slot

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you really just need a source of gold armor

meager echo
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Idk man, dedicated crit book

eternal venture
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and bubble (you don't even NEED bubble honestly, it's just way better to do so)

meager echo
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Is way too comfy to pick arbi

eternal venture
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Book damage is nice

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But

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you're ignoring the sheer utility arb brings

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which we just listed out

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the class has tools out the ass

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It also does more damage than zealot (sadly)

meager echo
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Once multiple boss appear, i rather have a book zealot

eternal venture
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Yeah book zealot is very nice for that

meager echo
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Than a 60 cooldown nuncio

royal karma
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You can kinda just slot arb in anything and he can handle it

midnight wyvern
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^^

eternal venture
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Basically yeah

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it's meant to be a jack of all trades that fills gaps in your team

midnight wyvern
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ogryn and arb are also just plainly interchangable because both are going to stagger the planet

meager echo
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The problem with arbi is he can do everything, but not the best at anything.

royal karma
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He also takes massive shits on captains and twins

midnight wyvern
#

the arb can hold ground better too

#

^^

eternal venture
royal karma
eternal venture
#

Crusher Arb is also super safe

royal karma
#

Damm near never die with a good player on arb

midnight wyvern
#

why fall back when nothing can push you

royal karma
#

And shield is just overkill

eternal venture
#

Shield + Maul comes with two charges of a giant conal stun

meager echo
#

He is the best at being the last person alive if you mean that...

eternal venture
#

Solo Maul has lots of push and dodge and stagger

#

Well you can prevent being the last person alive by staggering everything for your team

midnight wyvern
eternal venture
#

but he is probably the best clutch class too, yes

royal karma
#

Arb maul is just ds if it was fun

midnight wyvern
#

arb maul with bug is just

#

💀

meager echo
#

Bro

#

Dancing exploit

royal karma
#

Arguably best cc in the game as well

meager echo
#

Doesnt even

#

Help the class to out shine ogryb

eternal venture
#

He'll still have the best CC in the game even if that gets nerfed/fixed

meager echo
#

Everyone in my sv know about it

#

Yet no h40 accept arbi

#

Thats about it

eternal venture
#

Huh

midnight wyvern
#

that obviously means its correct

#

lol

eternal venture
#

I see plenty of Arbs in my H40 games

#

all the time

#

and they do just fine

midnight wyvern
#

If anything they're the most constant

royal karma
#

Lw shock mines are possibly the best blitz in the game

meager echo
#

Not in hk

eternal venture
#

Oh maybe it's a regional difference then

midnight wyvern
#

skill issue

eternal venture
#

Might be that Asia region doesn't value arb as highly as NA/EU do

#

and that's fine

#

I don't agree with it, but I think that's fine

midnight wyvern
#

Ogryn is the interchangable one for an arb and its almost always an arb

royal karma
eternal venture
#

Ahh

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I do think there's a bit of prejudice at play when people turn down arbs

#

The stereotype that they're playing flavor of the month and are mediocre players still persists

royal karma
#

Arb is well known as the crutch hero

meager echo
#

Bro, i love the class

midnight wyvern
royal karma
meager echo
#

I grind it to 300+ true level

eternal venture
#

Also there was that week where arbs could crash the game, and people would reject them for that

meager echo
#

That unhealthy amount of time

#

But even with that no one, want arbit in h40 lobby

royal karma
eternal venture
#

Describing Arb as a team anchor is the best way of putting it imo

midnight wyvern
royal karma
#

He never dies and he constantly drops cc and heavy damage

midnight wyvern
#

but also found some really good players

eternal venture
#

Yeah I've played with great and awful players using every class

#

and everything in between

midnight wyvern
#

guys

eternal venture
#

I feel like Arb is usually a safe pick if they have half a brain anyway

midnight wyvern
#

who would've thought

#

the players control the classes

eternal venture
#

because the class basically plays itself

midnight wyvern
#

arb is the easiest because its overtuned

#

lol

eternal venture
#

I'd rather have a mediocre arb than a mediocre vet/psyker

royal karma
#

Lowest skill floor

midnight wyvern
#

^^

eternal venture
#

Because vet/psyker explode if they get sneezed on

royal karma
#

Probably the same skill ceiling as everything else

eternal venture
#

Arb naturally has high numbers and high stagger built into the class

midnight wyvern
meager echo
#

No sir

royal karma
#

Bar psyk

eternal venture
#

and lots of passive toughness regen

midnight wyvern
#

or the pskyer will pop and everyone points and laughs

meager echo
#

Vet is actually very safe to play

eternal venture
#

It can be, yeah

midnight wyvern
#

yes and no

royal karma
#

I'm always sceptical of psykers

midnight wyvern
#

you have to have hands to maintain that safety

royal karma
#

Probably because There's like ten good psykers in oce

eternal venture
#

Learning when to cancel your flames takes a bit of situational awareness

meager echo
#

Bro just take ps, you stagger the shit out of anything in front of you.

eternal venture
#

Purgatus staff also plays itself once you know how to position yourself

meager echo
#

You only die if your team misplay seriously

eternal venture
#

Trauma/Voidblast are more fluid to play imo, but Final Toll kind of screws it over

royal karma
#

Psykers performance hinges on the frontline more than any class

#

Another good utility for arb btw

eternal venture
#

Vet can frontline pretty well, but Arb can kite an entire crusher wave better than it can due to how much stagger it has

meager echo
#

I dont even know what to say.

midnight wyvern
#

if you've got high damage on other players them getting knocked on their ass by trauma is usually enough to end them

#

voidblast though

#

do not the havoc

#

strike?

#

the fuckin ball

eternal venture
#

Strike is the ball

#

yeah

#

rip voidstrike

midnight wyvern
meager echo
#

Vet is by far the easiest class to play in havoc

midnight wyvern
#

vet is easiest and arb is useless

#

more hot-takes at nine

royal karma
eternal venture
#

Yeah it's absurd lol

#

Breach resets + crusher or shock maul or shield stun

#

then you throw down a mine

#

The elite wave does not move, so your psyker or vet can mow it down

hybrid plover
midnight wyvern
#

they turn what not even an ogryn can hold against into a "kill this trash and move on"

#

any other class gets pushed by 20 crushers and you flee

hybrid plover
#

But honestly, that's in part because a lot of arbs are dumbasses

midnight wyvern
#

unless its a full ammo rumbler PBB or something stupid lol

eternal venture
#

Ogryn taunt and Indom are super strong for locking down hordes, admitedly

midnight wyvern
eternal venture
#

I wonder if I was that Ogryn

#

lmao

#

I'm one of like three ogryns who uses indom in h40

midnight wyvern
#

he's one of the 2 goat Ogryns on OCE

eternal venture
#

Oh nvm then

#

I'm on NA

midnight wyvern
#

lol

eternal venture
#

Branx + Indom gaming

meager echo
#

Micro wise, vet might have above average skill floor.
But macro wise like decision making, he is the simplest, straight forward, no thinking require.
If you in h40, mechanical skill is not your limiting factor at all.

midnight wyvern
#

yeah same as him

eternal venture
#

It's a very fun playstyle

#

Bully Club slapping puts me to sleep

midnight wyvern
#

bonk heads, followed by bonk heads

eternal venture
#

Hopefully we get those leaked ogryn hammers with the update... no promises though

midnight wyvern
#

I've been playing mine more and its so nice lol

#

heard of a fist weapon too

eternal venture
#

Headtaker + Thrust on the Branx means you get to delete an elite once every few seconds

#

You do have to learn how to buttslide around while you charge your heavy, though

native ocean
midnight wyvern
#

that and 2-3 hitting captains is a fucking godsend

eternal venture
#

Never expect anything from an update honestly

#

You'll be surprised by the content that you weren't expecting that way

native ocean
#

I honestly have no more confidence we will be getting any more substantial updates now

midnight wyvern
#

pleasantly surprised by any other weapon

hybrid plover
eternal venture
#

Yeah basically

eternal venture
midnight wyvern
hybrid plover
#

Yeah thats

midnight wyvern
#

arb useless btw

royal karma
eternal venture
#

Probably just a trickle of small-to-medium-sized updates with occasional new weapons and a new map

midnight wyvern
royal karma
#

Arb useless need buff

midnight wyvern
#

he says 2 things

eternal venture
#

good ogryn name

meager echo
#

You use voc off cooldown, use smoke like bubble, what else do you need to think man.

midnight wyvern
#

I want cock and I need cock in pink text

royal karma
#

Give him the purge thrower

midnight wyvern
#

great dude

#

imma get banned for that but

#

worth

eternal venture
#

I mean you could boil Arb down like that too

hybrid plover
royal karma
#

Never met him but now I'm wishing I had

midnight wyvern
#

lmao

eternal venture
#

use ult when big horde of elites, throw mine when horde is coming

#

stagger things into oblivion while you and your team whack them

#

easy

#

shoot things in the head with overtuned shotgun

hybrid plover
#

Vet hinges very heavily on target prioritization

#

And that's not a simple task with the clusterfuck that havoc can be.

meager echo
#

You can not expect, ogryn to switch gun or psyker to swith to gun to snipe special right ?

midnight wyvern
eternal venture
#

Vet requires more awareness because it lacks the natural survivability that arb has

meager echo
#

What are we talking about man.

midnight wyvern
#

comes in, rolls your havoc

#

leaves

eternal venture
hybrid plover
eternal venture
#

Ogryn's actually pretty decent at it thanks to Rumbler and Stubber

midnight wyvern
#

rumbler to the forehead does pretty well

#

it also kills reapers very well

hybrid plover
#

Ogryn can just kinda

eternal venture
#

Arb is also quite good at shooting specials with the mk4 shotgun

hybrid plover
#

Do everything really

#

Arby can

midnight wyvern
hybrid plover
#

Kinda do everything

midnight wyvern
#

you wot

meager echo
#

If you use archylis 2 its not fast enough.
If you use gg you cant snipe sniper

eternal venture
#

the pellets have really good falloff and shoot in a tight spread

#

Oh

midnight wyvern
#

8

eternal venture
#

I might be misremembering which one

#

It's the uh

midnight wyvern
eternal venture
#

Second shotgun mark

#

LOL

midnight wyvern
#

also Agri CS on Arb is disgusting

eternal venture
#

I hate memorizing the weapon marks

#

Yeah the regular shotguns are really good on arb too

hybrid plover
midnight wyvern
#

good weapon BirbNod

hybrid plover
#

Especially since slugs open bulwarks

midnight wyvern
#

love me slugs

eternal venture
#

At least I remembered it was a multiple of four!

midnight wyvern
#

I'd pay an unreasonable amount of money for an Agri CS you could full load with slugs

eternal venture
#

but yeah I trust the arb to pick off specials if we don't have a vet or if they're too busy to do it

midnight wyvern
#

or atleast load more than 1

hybrid plover
midnight wyvern
#

Shotpistol is brainrot safe and still kills all the things you need it to kill AND it draws fast

hybrid plover
#

Because the vet taking out specialists will result in more survivability for the team generally.

royal karma
eternal venture
mortal aspen
eternal venture
#

Though yeah, draw speed on the arb shotguns and the pistol are really fast

hybrid plover
#

And that's precisely why they're not exactly simple to play in Havoc.

eternal venture
#

Vet does have to plan a bit

hybrid plover
#

They have a very particular role to play.

midnight wyvern
#

if you're VoC spamming with a plasma or whatever you shouldn't have problems prioritising them over the arb anyway

eternal venture
#

and it explodes if it's caught with its pants down

mortal aspen
#

giga long reload and is just worse mk8 shotgun

eternal venture
#

It's also what makes vet fun

#

!

midnight wyvern
#

shield is very safe though

#

being able to block everything other than grabs is dumb

mortal aspen
#

yeah

eternal venture
#

Shield + Maul with the block blessing can block bosses and gunners for days

#

it's actually incredibly stupid

mortal aspen
#

it's a fair tradeoff

midnight wyvern
#

so if you don't need it or want it

#

just use mk8

#

still dumb

mortal aspen
#

but I hate the reload too much

hybrid plover
mortal aspen
#

after playing ws vet I just hate reloading in general

#

xdd

hybrid plover
#

Not even that it's necessarily "slow"

midnight wyvern
#

I am tempted to switch the plus 15% damage to enemies above 75% to the reload thing on left side when running shotpistol

#

cuz goddamn

#

I just want to reload

eternal venture
#

simple, play helbore and never need to reload

hybrid plover
#

But it's the same reason I don't like using bistol

#

Reload just feels really clunky

eternal venture
#

okay you'll need to reload on helbore sometimes

midnight wyvern
#

I dunno

hybrid plover
eternal venture
#

because you'll often kill specials with uncharged shots

#

But yeah, you usually don't need to reload at all

#

That's one thing it has over the plasma

#

(Longlas when)

hybrid plover
midnight wyvern
#

I don't have the sticker

eternal venture
#

It's a huge bonus yeah

#

Helbore also has innate suppression immunity for some reason

hybrid plover
#

Helbore can actually do considerable boss damage

midnight wyvern
meager echo
#

The problem with hellbore is your team has to enable you to be on it. Else you put too much pressure on the one who has to horde clearing.

eternal venture
#

It actually requires aim though

royal karma
eternal venture
#

no melta, no longlas

midnight wyvern
#

we deserve the melta

royal karma
eternal venture
#

you will have your power falchion and you will like it

midnight wyvern
#

it'd fit right in

eternal venture
#

the one single weapon that requires aim

hybrid plover
eternal venture
#

It's much better now after the buffs

#

Before the buffs, the laser was thinner

royal karma
#

It's so damn slow though

#

It just has no flavour man

#

I can't get behind it

eternal venture
#

Oh it's got plenty of flavor

#

Precision headshots

#

with a crunchy headshot sound

hybrid plover
meager echo
#

Yes you can do both, but it worsen your ttk due to swap speed.

eternal venture
#

and a piercing firing sound

midnight wyvern
eternal venture
#

You have to commit to using it too due to the swap speed

midnight wyvern
eternal venture
#

and you can bayonet ragers in a pinch

royal karma
eternal venture
#

Yeah exactly

#

that's why I find it fun

#

Def not for everyone though

royal karma
hybrid plover
midnight wyvern
hybrid plover
#

At least for me

midnight wyvern
#

god I hope the Falchion is good

hybrid plover
#

Especially since you can ready a shot while swapping

royal karma
midnight wyvern
eternal venture
#

Yeah I'm a Devil Claw/Heavy Sword enjoyer

#

until we get the falchion anyway

willow prairie
#

devil claw buff when

meager echo
#

From my pov, every lobby is book zeal, vet, psyker ,ogryn

royal karma
eternal venture
#

LMAO

midnight wyvern
#

get me away from the ancient and dusty design of the PS

eternal venture
#

that'd be so mean

#

If they reworked the PS to work like the Relic Blade, that'd be cool

meager echo
#

If i go hellbore and be on it most of the time, we going to have horde problem.

midnight wyvern
thin stone
#

I came here to diss veteran only for veteran chat to tell me I have skill issue

eternal venture
#

You do sacrifice some hordeclear when you use the helbore though

#

over the plasma

thin stone
midnight wyvern
#

huh?

willow prairie
#

vet get to spam voc 24/7 in havoc

hybrid plover
eternal venture
#

but yeah psyker and ogryn should be taking care of that

hybrid plover
#

and you're having horde problems?

eternal venture
#

or zealot if they're using flamer

hybrid plover
#

💀

meager echo
#

You you put presser on ogryn and pskyer

willow prairie
eternal venture
#

That's their job though

meager echo
#

When you can pick plasma and have no downside ?

eternal venture
#

ogryn and psyker look at horde and delete it

hybrid plover
#

That is literally their job

meager echo
#

What are you on about ?

eternal venture
#

Vet is not contributing THAT much hordeclear with plasma

hybrid plover
#

yeah wtf

#

if anything that's something you shouldn't be focusing on with your ranged weapon

eternal venture
#

And you could make the same argument for bolter, too

willow prairie
#

plasma is for elite/specialist

royal karma
#

Kind of a waste to use plasma on hoards

meager echo
#

Vet boltet is the 2 vet comp

hybrid plover
#

what kinda psykers are you playing with my dude?

meager echo
#

Not 1 vet comp sir

willow prairie
#

also it does cleave very well so if they're in a straight line it can help sith horde clear

eternal venture
#

But Bolter brings amazing bosskill on top of having decent special/elite kill

#

That's probably another regional meta thing

willow prairie
#

bolter have much worse ammo economy compare to plasma

eternal venture
#

you don't see double vet comps very often in NA

willow prairie
#

also doesn't cleave as well

eternal venture
#

or at all, really

hybrid plover
#

I actually like double vet comps a lot

willow prairie
#

double vet is op

eternal venture
#

It's not a bad comp

#

You just don't see it often in pubs

meager echo
#

Well too bad, thats not a thing in my sv.

willow prairie
#

who need a chorus bot qhen you have 200 piss toughness from 2 vet

hybrid plover
meager echo
#

What can i do man, i didnt choose to be there.

midnight wyvern
#

but you chose to sheep follow everything they do

#

lol

meager echo
#

Yes

midnight wyvern
willow prairie
#

double voc is op

meager echo
#

If i want something new, i can host my own lobby

midnight wyvern
#

I prefer the hard single stagger over the weaker spaced out ones of Chorus on bosses anyway

eternal venture
#

Most NA lobbies use one of each class

meager echo
#

But joining other lobby i have to play by their rule.

eternal venture
#

Or double arb occasionally

#

and rarely double vet

midnight wyvern
#

quad arb is where its at

eternal venture
#

Ahh

willow prairie
#

voc also pretty much have no cooldown with vet cd node + psykernetic

#

quad arb eh

eternal venture
#

in NA you usually just use whatever the team needs and people won't complain

willow prairie
#

gunner

royal karma
midnight wyvern
eternal venture
#

People might be more strict about it in Asia servers

hybrid plover
#

I can't stand lobbies with more than one arb tbh

willow prairie
#

imagine quad psyker though

eternal venture
#

which tends to happen in a lot of the Japanese and Korean games I've played (people being really strict about your team comp)

royal karma
midnight wyvern
#

its great

royal karma
midnight wyvern
#

feels like an achievement when you beat the first area

hybrid plover
#

Straight up always goes badly for the stupidest reasons

eternal venture
#

two psykers on shriek, one on bubble, and then an ogryn or arb to frontline

#

sounds incredible

midnight wyvern
#

nah

meager echo
#

Bro people gate keeping the shiet out of the game in asia.

eternal venture
#

😔

#

Ahh

midnight wyvern
#

2 gunkers on scriers, one bubble, one shriek with Firestaff

eternal venture
#

That sucks then

midnight wyvern
#

bubble with trauma

hybrid plover
eternal venture
#

trauma bubble my beloved

midnight wyvern
willow prairie
#

get staggered get staggered get staggered

eternal venture
#

BOOM

willow prairie
#

biggest threat to quad psyker is mutant though

#

get thrown away and you're dead

hybrid plover
eternal venture
#

I want to see a single burster annihilate a quad psyker team

#

that would be so funny

hybrid plover
#

#1 mutant hater

#

fucking hate em

eternal venture
#

one burster and suddenly the team is on 1/4 hp

#

Mutant slams actually do decent damage in h40

#

it's kind of scary

midnight wyvern
#

playing ogryn and throwing rocks at them heals me

hybrid plover
#

i don't even care about the damage

#

they just grab you at the literal worst times

eternal venture
#

Branx oneshots them with full Thrust stacks too

#

it's very nice

eternal venture
#

Like

#

you can hit a dog or mutant and hear the hit sound + see the blood splatter

#

and still get disabled, without dealing any damage to them

midnight wyvern
eternal venture
#

or you can fully revive someone and get grabbed, and the revive won't go through

#

it SUCKS!

midnight wyvern
#

when they grab me after running through a burgle

hybrid plover
#

this has happened to me

#

twice now

eternal venture
#

I remember playing with chocob once, and I got pingponged between two chaos spawns throwing me into a slug

#

I was hoping I'd make it into one of their highlight reels

#

but alas, I did not

royal karma
eternal venture
#

It felt like doing some platforming section in a mario game

hybrid plover
#

honestly i've grown to realize that as a vet, specialists are mostly okay to deal with assuming you're paying attention

#

except for mutants

#

because they have so much ranged resistance

eternal venture
#

Yeah that's annoying lol

midnight wyvern
hybrid plover
eternal venture
#

^

#

This

#

Not even Vermintide does that because client-host lobbies

hybrid plover
#

that is the number 1 issue and why i think mutants unironically are the worst specialist to deal with

eternal venture
#

(What Vermintide WILL do, though, is cause you to get hooked from 20 feet away because the host is running on a potato)

#

Mutants having no knockdown animation is still funny to me

#

you can knock a Crusher onto his face

hybrid plover
#

because them being able to do that and grab you the way they do, make every other specialist significantly more dangerous

eternal venture
#

but a mutant? nah

#

they just stumble a bit

#

The fact that they displace you is already really dangerous

#

At least they're not L4D Chargers...?

hybrid plover
#

honestly

#

mutants

#

are the reason I actually can't vibe with using power sword that much

#

even if it's one of the best weapons to damage them because the lack of mobility has been more of an issue for me regarding them than anything

eternal venture
#

Heavy Sword heavy 1 will oneshot them

#

Might actually need yellow mark to do that

#

but it's very satsifying

hybrid plover
#

ye it's the mk with the strikedown

eternal venture
#

Ya

#

Forget which mark it is

hybrid plover
#

mk6 knife's surprisingly good at dealing with them too since the push stab reaches far enough that it hits the weakspot from behind them

#

and the dodge being far enough that you can more easily avoid them

midnight wyvern
#

wot

hybrid plover
#

the push stab hits the weakspot from behind

midnight wyvern
#

why

eternal venture
#

overlapping hitboxes

#

I use mk6 knife on Psyker actually

#

for the dodges and mobility, and to proc rending after I ignite a horde

#

DS could do that, too, but knife is life

hybrid plover
#

i prefer knife cuz knife can at least somewhat hold itself against hordes

#

even if it isn't the best

#

dueling sword just feels like a wet noodle

#

executor helps

eternal venture
#

Yeah DS light attacks feel like smearing a pasta noodle onto the poxwalker's face

midnight wyvern
#

ayo

old cobalt
covert fable
old cobalt
#

oh yeah melee is fine

#

but shooting them as they get close does NOT do much. I can nail them in the face with two bolt pistol shots and theyll still be sprinting at me

covert fable
#

I still just mow them down with the infantry autogun

midnight wyvern
#

lmao

#

ill have to clip it but an ogryn I was running with had enough buffs running that I hit 18k per round on a CSpawn in havoc 40

#

crazy

pale cedar
#

what melee should i be using for vet?

meager echo
#

Your load out should relieve pressure on your team mates not other wise.

midnight wyvern
#

Power sword bestest if you can deal with its downsides

narrow widget
meager echo
#

Play how you want

#

I dont play that way

pale cedar
meager echo
#

I consider that not playing vet to maximum potential

midnight wyvern
#

dueling is good but boring

#

Chain not

midnight wyvern
#

shock maul is okay, on the bad side but funny special attack for shields

pale cedar
#

Ill have to try the power sword, this deuling aint doing it for me lol

#

also whats the dump stat on a recon lasgun ?

willow prairie
#

mobility or stability

#

mobility is better imo

pale cedar
#

thank you

outer wolf
#

do you guys stack toughness, hp or mix?

sudden cedar
#

Toughness

outer wolf
#

What about 2x Toughness and 1x HP? Is it stupid?