veteran-class

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also worth noting is you can take the middle path at the top as well

[ornate glen]

IMO plasma lacks damage and it's tricky to land headshots with it, and it has low fire rate. Good thing, though, that it has splash damage and can shoot through walls - essential if you want to save someone caught by dog. And it staggers mutants with headshot.
Good for groups, acceptable for bosses, incredibly bad for sniping specials.

[narrow widget]

it does NOT lack damage lmaooo

[ornate glen]

It does!

Maximum up to 5000 or 6000 per shot in perfect conditions. Helbore capable of dealing up to 13000-14000 in same conditions.

[willow prairie]

bait used to be believable

more like this tbh

this is the absolute bare minimum

[cedar knoll]

https://i.redd.it/gw95cc5ngspc1.jpeg

[hollow ibex]

Sometimes I just can’t afford left or right side because taxes

[pale pecan]

New Vet Weapon?

Looks like a Power Sword/Falchion

[narrow widget]

they're nice to have but it's understandable to not take both imo

[cedar knoll]

PUT THE KARKIN BOOT IN!!

[ornate glen]

Weapon: Helbore 4
Perks: +25 Damage (Unyielding Enemies)
Target: Reaper
Distance: 31 meter
Active talents: Longshot, Kill Zone, Executioner's Stance, Precision Strikes, Superiority Complex, Marksman, Marksman's Focus (15 stacks), For the Emperor, Bring it Down.
Active effects: combat stimm.
Damage (overkill damage included (crit)): nearly 18000.

Yes, totaly a bait.

[narrow widget]

the only thing that matters is whether it one taps the enemy
which if you build the plas gun right it should

overkill damage is exactly just that
overkill

[rough adder]

I don't know man, you can choose to not take fully loaded if you pay attention to conserving ammo, or is just using a gun with good ammo effeciency

[willow prairie]

also exe stance lol

[willow prairie]

havoc moment

also ammo reserve affect pickup

[rough adder]

Oh I thought we're having fun here

[cedar knoll]

Guys what's the best way to kill a Traxis 12?

[narrow widget]

gun
if that don't work
more gun

[pale pecan]

Knowledge check

[rough adder]

damn i never paid attention to when they shouted callsigns

[willow prairie]

plus you have to pick it for superiority complex

[narrow widget]

TRAXIS SOMETHING SOMETHING

[cedar knoll]

Is the bastion two twenty combat stance most optimal when facing Traxis 4 and 7?

[ornate glen]

For Traxis-4 - yess. For 7 - depends on weapon.

[plain osprey]

I hereby knight you an honorary gunlugger ogryn.

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[jolly quail]

make every shot count is so annoying

combat shotgun or double barrel?

[sudden cedar]

Revolver.

[ornate glen]

Back in the day it demanded 100% accuracy and completely empty ammo reserves.

[jolly quail]

yay

[sudden cedar]

Low ammo count and highly accurate if you can aim

[jolly quail]

its still completely empty reserves right?

but 90% acc

[ornate glen]

Don't know. But I've bypassed it by dying before extraction.

[jolly quail]

might as well just use shotgun

[sudden cedar]

They have higher ammo count

and are less accurate

[narrow widget]

you dont need to hit every pellet tho?

[sudden cedar]

I don't know why shotgun always comes up

[jolly quail]

u only need to hit one pellet i think

[hollow ibex]

We comparing to plasma, they’re pretty different weapons. I don’t think there’s any real reason to compare them in a 1:1 basis

[sudden cedar]

Zarona Quickdraw Stub Revolver is just the best

[hollow ibex]

Cuz impossible to miss

[narrow widget]

vro literally said "Good for groups, acceptable for bosses, incredibly bad for sniping specials."

[jolly quail]

i mean u can miss revolver shot, hard to miss with a shotgun

[narrow widget]

[ornate glen]

That's a good point.

[jolly quail]

just gonna play frontline and hope the team can carry

[hollow ibex]

DB does have more ammo now though

[sudden cedar]

If you miss with the shotgun, it might be spaghetti code

[hollow ibex]

So you gotta chew through that

[sudden cedar]

if you miss with the revolver, its on you

[jolly quail]

ill just give it a shot i gues

[sudden cedar]

I did it with the revolver.

[narrow widget]

same here

[sudden cedar]

Yes, sure, it might be that only one pellet must hit for it to count.

I still feel better using the revolver for that.

[jolly quail]

thats what it says online

[rough adder]

To be fair revolver is pretty hard to miss either with it's incredibly forgiving hitzone.
The biggest issue for this penance has always been accidently shooting something that your teammate already killed

[sudden cedar]

Yeah

[jolly quail]

yeah thats the big problem

well ill give it a shot with the shotgun first and see

[rough adder]

So id say revolver is actually better than shotgun on that regard because it has high cleave

[jolly quail]

oops modding convo might be banned

[sudden cedar]

Your brain works.

[jolly quail]

who says it does!

[sudden cedar]

True.

[willow prairie]

I used to think all combat shotty is bad but agrip is pretty decent

considering full bore is piss easy to proc on the slug and it just melt elite and unyielding

[hybrid plover]

"Incredibly bad for sniping specials"

I'm sorry, what

[willow prairie]

other 2 are still bad though

[hollow ibex]

Agri my beloved

[steep flower]

Unless suppressed

[willow prairie]

it does need reload speed to be good

[sudden cedar]

So, don't get surpressed

[willow prairie]

because holy fuck it take a lifetime

[hollow ibex]

Eh

[willow prairie]

havoc moment

[hollow ibex]

The reload speed already got buffed quite a bit

As long as you’re topping it off and not blasting through the entire tube it’s ok

[sudden cedar]

Skill Issue.

[steep flower]

You haven’t tried them then proper

[willow prairie]

I mean i could just use the db instead of either of them

[sudden cedar]

Accatran is fine.

[hollow ibex]

The Zarona is ok but Accatran barely got touched

And it shows

[sudden cedar]

So what, it is still good.

[hollow ibex]

It wasn’t good

And still isn’t good

[sudden cedar]

It does the job.

[steep flower]

Ye nah

[hybrid plover]

Accatran's always been pretty good tbh

[hollow ibex]

You can make do with many bad guns in this game

[hybrid plover]

It just needs a particular build to work

[willow prairie]

the fire shell one right

[hybrid plover]

Yeah.

[willow prairie]

it just feel like shit to use for me

[hollow ibex]

The special shot is pathetic

[willow prairie]

the fire rate doesn't help

yeah only agrip have the good special

[steep flower]

Then riddle me this; how i managed to make it good BEFORE the buffs? In H40? Am i some sort of a wizard

[sudden cedar]

You are a wizard.

[narrow widget]

yer a wizard willy

[hollow ibex]

I know you like weird and quirky off meta weapons soooooo

[rough adder]

You can always pick the suppression immunity though

[willow prairie]

I mean that take a talent point

[sudden cedar]

bUt hE iS pLaYiNg sMiTe

[steep flower]

You really haven’t learned about accatran and thats ok; barely anyone knows stuff about its special

[willow prairie]

[hybrid plover]

Honestly I think accatran has always been pretty good.

[steep flower]

Takes rythm to use but once you learn it you’ll see

[hollow ibex]

Back when it had infinite cleave specials sure

[steep flower]

Still; why does it work in my hands but dosen’t in yours? 🤔

[hybrid plover]

It also works well with manstopper and flechette like the double barrel

[willow prairie]

or you can just use double barrel

smh

[steep flower]

Nah; you go just like agri which is no respite & full bore

[hollow ibex]

I can make it work. I don’t like it enough to put in the effort required to make it work. Simple as.

[hybrid plover]

Hmm. Okay maybe I'm a tad skeptical about this.

[steep flower]

Now you’re making sense

[hybrid plover]

But I can try it.

Again. At least.

[narrow widget]

rahhh I hate work
bolterheads rise up

!!!!

[willow prairie]

full bore on accatran?

in what world

[hybrid plover]

Because when I did that. It didn't feel the greatest.

[steep flower]

Which one?

[willow prairie]

same

[hybrid plover]

Adsing does tighten the spread.

[steep flower]

Blessings & perks matter

[steep flower]

Ofc

Its very easy to proc

[ornate glen]

Wide hitzone makes headshots tricky. So 2 shots to reliably kill a special. High ammo consumption will turn you into a ammo syphon. And that's on maelstrom.

[steep flower]

Even for the most spread c shotty It’s consistent

[willow prairie]

ok but havoc

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what is bro cooking with this one

[willow prairie]

literally everything work in auric

[steep flower]

Plasma or accatran?

[willow prairie]

plasma vs helbore

man saying helbore is better

[hybrid plover]

...I rarely ever need more than one headshot for anything that isn't a mutant on maelstrom though

[willow prairie]

also plasma suck at special

[rough adder]

He's probably talking about left click

[steep flower]

It is in many ways than plasma

Tbh

[willow prairie]

plasma is like no brain too

[hybrid plover]

Like don't get me wrong. I think helbore is better in other ways but saying plasma is bad at special sniping is uh

Quite the take.

[narrow widget]

no one's doubting that but vro is trying to argue plas gun is bad at special sniping

which

????

[willow prairie]

also bro doing test in auric

[steep flower]

Ye i know; that i do not contest

[hollow ibex]

Can you blame him. Havoc is dead most of the time

[willow prairie]

most fun mode in existence

if only maelstrom have the same horde

[hollow ibex]

I like havoc gameplay

[tall torrent]

No, ranged attacks that have larger hitscan sizes typically prioritize weakspot as registered hit if weakspot is within the hitscan region

It’s not hard to headshot

[rough adder]

I genuinely think bro just has very bad ping

[willow prairie]

i just find maelstrom piss easy nowaday after being used to havoc

[ornate glen]

You have to aim above heads to hit it reliably.

[tall torrent]

Nah

Just on head

[hollow ibex]

I don’t like the crashes, bugs, bullshit gatekeeping, party finder, demotion system, and likely ten other things I forgot

[willow prairie]

it just ass

[rough adder]

I mean it depends on if you are playing off meta or not

[willow prairie]

funny how the gatekeeper usually fucking suck too

like i had this game with this one guy like 300 tl

man run indomitable and keep rushing

[hollow ibex]

They’re gate keeping so the rest of the party can carry their useless ass

[rough adder]

As someone who's favorite build is vet with shovel and stripped down autogun my experience with havoc is that it's just auric but every combat encounter takes 4x time too finish

[willow prairie]

advancing whenever you have the opportunity to is important to havoc but mfs be in another area

[narrow widget]

omg literally me fr fr

[rough adder]

It's genuinely so funny every time I see a havoc 40 havoc forged lv500+ zealot with a knife in auric
They will almost always go through the "rush forward - get netted - rages -quit" cycle

Oh and also the "the AI director is definitely bugging out because it's more specials than havok"

[steep flower]

I love that Morgan Freeman got immortalized in a meme such as this; that legend deserved it

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[hybrid plover]

Tbf, that does happen

Ai director in Shock Troops and Maelstroms has been on something ever since the arby update.

[rough adder]

Yeah I know

[hybrid plover]

Recently got a game where I reached 232 specialists killed

[jolly quail]

got make every shot count first try w the double barrel on a high infestation map

[rough adder]

My point is I want to say to them "what part of 'waves of specialist' do you not understand"

[hybrid plover]

I mean yes but the waves have never been this dense.

There was a moment during that game where I literally could not stop looking behind because specialists just would not stop spawning

[rough adder]

And what kind of brain rot have they suffered in havok for them to think "Hey I just ran ahead so much and there're a shit ton of specials getting spawned what should I do? YES, KEEP RUNNING"

[hybrid plover]

I was basically backpedaling on overwatch for a majority of that game lmao

[rough adder]

I mean like to be fair that's basically how we all played hi-shock pre-patch13

Or even a little while after patch 13

[hybrid plover]

Nah dude I mean like won't stop spawning as in every time I killed one, immediately replaced by the ai director. It was like it was trying to keep the specialist limit maxed out at all times. Before, after enough specialists there would at least be some respite in the spawns but it just has not felt that way recently.

Don't get me wrong. Those players are still morons.

But there's a modicum of truth to that part specifically.

[rough adder]

Yeah

[hybrid plover]

And I can tell it's been worse because the silent specialist issue has also been more noticeable.

[buoyant kettle]

Thank you sooo much 🙂

[midnight wyvern]

what class do people normally run a las pistol on? been wanting to give it a look at since alot of people seem to like it but I haven't seen for myself why

[narrow widget]

i remember seeing a lot of laspistol use on gun psyker but could be wrong

@calm shard can you confirm this

[tropic notch]

Sorry was me

[willow prairie]

zealot gunpsyker

[old cobalt]

okay so i tried the combat axe

The Rashad is pretty solid, but I'd like a BIT more horde clear.

[rough adder]

Did you put bm on it

[old cobalt]

Maybe something with solid horde clear to pair with a bolt pistol?

obviously yeah

[rough adder]

that's strange

[old cobalt]

but the enemies have to be uhh

[narrow widget]

the ps6 in question

[old cobalt]

very tightly packed

The strikedown attack pattern feels limiting, though BM definititely gives it servicable horde clear

I just want -more- horde clear

[willow prairie]

quite literally vet strongest horde clear melee

[narrow frost]

Hsword/Taxe/Caxe/Psword all have great horde clear

[hollow ibex]

The light attacks should be fairly flat horizontal sweeps 🤔

[old cobalt]

?

am I on drugs?

[willow prairie]

it isn't fairly flat

it is flat

[old cobalt]

Every single Combat Axe Mark is exclusively strikedown

[rough adder]

I swear rashad had pretty good horde clear with bm? Maybe you need a little bit more attack speed?

[hollow ibex]

You’re using Rashad right

[narrow widget]

its like slightly diagonal downward

[hollow ibex]

And light spam for horde clear

[narrow frost]

Rashad combat axe lights are sweeping left and right

Flat

[old cobalt]

yeah light spam rashad combat axe with BM

[willow prairie]

rashad can't keep up with havoc horde

[rough adder]

No like rashad has one attack that is just straight up horizontal

[tropic notch]

Did you put unarmored and flak on it?

[hollow ibex]

You should be able to kill four bruisers per swing

[willow prairie]

I thought we were talking about ps6

[old cobalt]

unarmored carapace

[hollow ibex]

That should be fine

[willow prairie]

on rashad run flak + cara

[jolly quail]

should i remove redirect fire for 10% melee damage node

[hollow ibex]

Make sure you’re hitting the bruiser one shot breakpoints

[orchid hemlock]

Which tac axe? 🤔

[willow prairie]

poxwalker literally die in 1 hit so no unarmored

[orchid hemlock]

I thought tac axe has at best ok wave clear

[old cobalt]

i think my issue is i'm NOT hitting break points

[hollow ibex]

It’s for bruisers

Not groaners

[willow prairie]

you need flak for dreg bruiser hs

[hollow ibex]

Not with HT

It’s not like flak is a bad choice

[orchid hemlock]

Unarmored allows you to hit breakpoints on the elites without stacks of HT

[old cobalt]

I wish I could just use the assault chainsword T-T

[willow prairie]

i mean it impossible to not have stack of ht

in actual game

[hollow ibex]

You can with Kraks and WS

And DB shotgun

[orchid hemlock]

When you cycle into melee it takes some time to stack the ht

The point though is that taking something like flak doesn't help reach any breakpoints with flak elites, with or without the HT stacks

[tame lodge]

4 per swing
Take it or leave it

[old cobalt]

yeah cause im used to like

evicerator horde clear

where i just hit everything on my fucking screen lmao

[hollow ibex]

Rashad has less horde control

[rough adder]

My personal experience is you can get really good horde clear with bm MkVII heavy light light chain

[willow prairie]

push attack moment

[hollow ibex]

But should horde clear faster as long as it’s not pure poxxers and groaners

[willow prairie]

good cleave stagger rager out of combo

[hollow ibex]

Ya PA. Is good

[old cobalt]

is ACS + Bolt Pistol/Rifle a valid combo?

[willow prairie]

strongest horde clear is still ps6 but it kinda obnoxious to use

[old cobalt]

PS6 feels kinda gross to me

[orchid hemlock]

On what difficulty, because I believe the tac axe at default has 3 cleave targets

[old cobalt]

not trying to do like Havoc 40s or anything

[orchid hemlock]

I know before the buff it was 2

[hollow ibex]

That’s fine but I prefer using DB still to help the horde clear

[old cobalt]

How do you db weave with chainsword?

[rough adder]

Yeah but also with bm

[calm shard]

yeah

[orchid hemlock]

Chain

[tropic notch]

It’s probably his most balanced weapon and it can 2 shot crushers

[hollow ibex]

Take manstopper flechette and WS

Get guaranteed crit

Fire the DB

[orchid hemlock]

BM is mostly for the weakspot damage on Tac, the arc the tac axe swings at is not horizontal enough to take advantage of the cleave

[hollow ibex]

Have infinite cleave and proc bleeds on everything you touch

[old cobalt]

How do you deal with shit like snipers or tox bombers that are in different area codes?

[hollow ibex]

7 is pretty flat

[hollow ibex]

Shoot them

[narrow widget]

aye aye captain @midnight wyvern

[hollow ibex]

The crit bleed will kill them

[old cobalt]

Ahhh got it

[orchid hemlock]

What's the value in practice with BM?

[hollow ibex]

As long as one pellet hits

Theyre dead

[old cobalt]

god damn

[orchid hemlock]

I would imagine it would be like 4-5?

[hollow ibex]

Not sure I should test

[willow prairie]

weakspot damage is literally nothing

[old cobalt]

for db how often to I shoot when weaving with ACS?

[willow prairie]

the main draw of bm is ignore hitmass

[rough adder]

What sirosky said. and also push attack on 7 is pretty flat too

[hollow ibex]

If you really want to sweat 3 melee kills guarantees a crit with weapon specialist

[willow prairie]

if you want actual damage increase on like tac axe ht + shred is good since vet do have decent amount of crit talent

[hollow ibex]

So 3 melee kills. Fire DB. Go back to melee.

[old cobalt]

so basically i could just

swing twice with ACS

shoot

[hollow ibex]

I think I shared a clip before

[old cobalt]

swing twice

shoot

[hollow ibex]

Yeah assuming you get three melee kills in that time

[old cobalt]

Do you altfire the DB when weaving or just single shot for bleed?

[hollow ibex]

Single shot unless there’s a crap ton of ragers

[orchid hemlock]

That's wrong it ignores weakspot kills hitmass

It basically acts like a cleave reset when you kill something with a headshot

[hollow ibex]

Usually alt fire is unnecessary

[old cobalt]

oh thats why its so agressively dogshit without breakpoints

[orchid hemlock]

So what is the average cleave target value?

[old cobalt]

because you'll hit ONE bruiser and BM stops functioning

[hollow ibex]

Exactly

[old cobalt]

noted

i wish devils claw didnt hit like a starving toddler v-v

[willow prairie]

that what i was talking about

[orchid hemlock]

The issue isn't breakpoints, because even getting one kill worth of the BM essentially can double your cleave

It's the rotation of the arc that is important

[hollow ibex]

I mean it’s breakpoints too

[orchid hemlock]

Why can't everything be like the Ogryn shield smh 😞

[old cobalt]

also why Double Barrel over the Combat Shotgun

[willow prairie]

bm doesn't work that well on tac and the added weakspot damage is nothing

[old cobalt]

for melee weave

[hollow ibex]

But yes obviously attack arc is important as well

[tropic notch]

Faster draw and more damage

[hollow ibex]

Cuz big alpha strike damage. And free reloads fromWS subnode

[old cobalt]

got it

[orchid hemlock]

The description is actually incorrect

It's supposed to be: weakspot strength on hit

[old cobalt]

so db kind of fills the same flow as a revolver/bolt pistol

it just does more AoE than ST

where you whip it out, assblast whatevers in front of you, and back to swingswong

[hollow ibex]

Way more horde clear than those guns

[old cobalt]

yeah

horde clear vs tapping someone at long range

[hollow ibex]

At the expense of single target damage against crushers

And damage at range against elites

[old cobalt]

im gonna cry lmao

Melk doesnt have a DB

neither does the requisitorium

[hollow ibex]

Go gamble

[willow prairie]

I still think shred is better than bm on tac axe just because vet have good amount of crit and it help massively against carapace

[old cobalt]

also just to be clear

[willow prairie]

plus you deal like 2 times damage on cws compare to normal ws hit

[orchid hemlock]

Nah shred is bad in general as a blessing

[old cobalt]

the Mk XIIIg Chainsword is just kinda better than the Mk Iv right?

[hollow ibex]

I think so but others might disagree

[orchid hemlock]

It's ok on chain sword, but it's because there are very little good blessings on CS

[old cobalt]

the mk IV seems to be

"Wow. I could be using a chain axe right now"

the weapon

[willow prairie]

thunderous bloodletter moment

I mean you can use chain weapon as running stick

[plush grail]

I made a new piece of lore for my Cadian Veteran to get purple eyes.

[old cobalt]

okay so until I can get my DB for the ACS/DB combo

what melee pairs well with bolt rifle/pistol?

aside from CA/PS

[plush grail]

Dueling Sword.

[willow prairie]

I mean duelling sword is certainly a weapon

[hollow ibex]

Anything with horde clear

So not dueling sword lol

[old cobalt]

wouldnt BR/DS leave you jut completely incapable of killing hordes

lmao

[orchid hemlock]

Wave clear

[willow prairie]

weapon specialist go br

[hollow ibex]

Hsword

Taxe

[old cobalt]

heavy sword go big swing swong kill many man?

[hollow ibex]

chord can work if you’re careful

[umbral scaffold]

Is this plasma build?

[willow prairie]

yeah but no cara damage

[old cobalt]

wait a minute, what am I doing?

[willow prairie]

literally work with anything

[old cobalt]

I'm a fucking veteran. The game gave me a CHAINSAW SWORD

fuck the meta

im using the ACS

[willow prairie]

it just have a good spread of melee + ranged talent

[umbral scaffold]

Good! Is there a plasma specific build? Or won’t matter really

[rough adder]

nice

[willow prairie]

weapon specialist

[tame lodge]

[hollow ibex]

Would

[orchid hemlock]

CS is fine, just use it on Zealot 💀

[willow prairie]

yeah but counterpoint

you have to play zealot

checkmate atheist

[orchid hemlock]

Then play Arbi

[old cobalt]

can someone explain what the hell im looking at here

[old cobalt]

I do. I use the evicerator

[willow prairie]

PA: push attack

[orchid hemlock]

Makes sense to me

[willow prairie]

Ln: the light attack in the combo
Hn: heavy attack in the combo

[narrow widget]

the combo
push attack, light, heavy

heavy, heavy / special action, heavy

[old cobalt]

Okay so its what i thought

s.H1 meaning "Rev your shit and bonk"

I'm assuming H1 -> H2 is for anything not wearing Cara

and SP -> s.h1 is for Cara

[orchid hemlock]

Wait I just realized

If you go Arbi and take the 25% rending talents, does that fix the CS? 🤔

[hollow ibex]

It’s just alternate move sets

[willow prairie]

its 15%

it does fix the shield

idk about cs

[old cobalt]

gort it

[hollow ibex]

Eh what’s wrong with shield

[orchid hemlock]

There are 2 talents that are up to 25%

[willow prairie]

dementia

[old cobalt]

im going to go play doom music at 237db and slam an ACS into a crusher's frontal lobe

[willow prairie]

I only remember the one on the right side

[willow prairie]

ass carapace damage lol

[hollow ibex]

What

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[hollow ibex]

The carapace damage is reasonable to really good

[orchid hemlock]

How is that possible when it can take opportunist?

[hollow ibex]

It’s the unyielding damage that is ass

[willow prairie]

I find hammerblow + high volt + the 15% talent is better

[tame lodge]

6 stacks of martyrdom + chastise + Duelist = 2k carapace damage

That's nothing

💀

[willow prairie]

hammerblow just amazing cc in havoc

[tame lodge]

Yeah but also

You don't need Hammerblow

Base heavy sweep already interrupts crusher

[willow prairie]

no it not for crusher

everything else but crusher

plus you already have flash if you need to cc crusher

[tame lodge]

So you already have flash for everything else

No need for hammer that blows

[willow prairie]

you have 2 flash

smh

[tall torrent]

huh

it's weakspot dmg (%Wdmg)

[willow prairie]

that why it for crusher

[hollow ibex]

You can still get 1400 dps or higher without opportunist

Against crusher

Which is quite respectable

Opportunist only increases that DPS further

The real issue with shield is the unyielding damage

[old cobalt]

huh i am suddenly generating like

[tame lodge]

The shock maul conundrum

[old cobalt]

zero toughness when im in melee

[steep flower]

hammerblow for every weapon exept devils claw (WHY)

[rough adder]

What do you mean? You're not getting toughness on kill? or on hit?

[tame lodge]

It already has the better Hammerblow (Trauma)

[old cobalt]

on hit, I think?

Its just WAY slower

[tame lodge]

Trauma dclaws is funny

You parry and then they just stand there

[rough adder]

You normally don't get toughness back on hit, that's a momentum evicerator thing

You get a little toughness back on melee kills

[tame lodge]

Counterproductive? Fuck yeah

[old cobalt]

o h

i will just have to play way more defensively then

[rough adder]

yeah

[sudden cedar]

@bitter steppe Hammerblow on Devil's Claw. I must try it.

[rough adder]

or just use shout

[willow prairie]

literally most op thing in the game

[mortal aspen]

you're kidding

[willow prairie]

compare to asm and crusher yeah

[midnight wyvern]

sorry waz this for?

las pistol on gunker?

[narrow widget]

yea

[calm shard]

laspistol takes a lot of aim and kinda doesn't have a lot of ammo

but it deletes bosses real quick if you don't miss

and at any range

[gentle lake]

It does???

[gentle lake]

What blessings??

[calm shard]

dum dum infernus

[gentle lake]

Oh burn damage

hmm

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/1a5jieq

[midnight wyvern]

well I gotta be the pinnacle of aim if I use bolter all day

[willow prairie]

bolter on gunpsyker when

[midnight wyvern]

real

[midnight wyvern]

not half bad yea

Im so fucking gremlin pilled I don't know what normal levels of 'good boss damage' is

maybe that is really good

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/9UXdUQc if you aren't doing this your boss damage isn't good enough /s

https://fximgur.com/a/mz6Go3q

[midnight wyvern]

I'd kill it faster

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-kitty-gif-4527110245816515816

[gentle lake]

Anyone got a good plasma gun build

[hybrid plover]

Flak/maniac + unarmored

Gets hot + rising heat is my usual go to

Personally prefer maniac over flak

[gentle lake]

Does Plasma gun have infinite cleave or something

[hollow ibex]

50 cleave on uncharged shots

So a lot

But not infinite

[tall torrent]

no, but it's much higher than most atks

[gentle lake]

Yeah cuz I feel like I'm just tearing into crowds lol

I try and corral them into a line to fire into

Why do people talk about boss killing zealot and not vet?

It seems to work even better since its long range

[tall torrent]

bosses not worth shooting in most cases for vet

[tame lodge]

Plasma?
Not really worth shooting bosses with plasma

[hollow ibex]

Me magdumping my SAP anyways

[gentle lake]

B-but I like killing bosses :(

[tame lodge]

And also

[gentle lake]

Or maybe it was bc it was a beast of nurgle

[tame lodge]

Undisputed 1 shot

[gentle lake]

Does the yellow bit make it take way more damage than other bosses

[tame lodge]

The good news is that Agripina Revolver is pretty meme boss killing

https://tenor.com/view/on-fire-cowboy-shooting-gun-gif-15317612

[tame lodge]

The pimple?

[gentle lake]

Mhm

[tame lodge]

Iirc it takes x1.4 melee

And x1 ranged

And Plogryn/CSpawn takes x1 from melee and ranged on their heads

[gentle lake]

I slapped it dawg ;;

[tame lodge]

So in theory

Bon takes more melee damage

(as long as it hits the pimple)

The tail though, pretty much immune

0.2 melee and 0.1 ranged

[primal zealot]

[hollow ibex]

BONs are so ass to fight

[tame lodge]

It's very resilient against ranged

😭

[primal zealot]

just magdump it with recon with onslaught and throw a couple kraks on it

but yea they are ass to fight. my most hated boss by far

[toxic reef]

yeah and just ignores any stagger too

[gentle lake]

Huh

I can atleast take chunks out of its health if I'm careful..

[primal zealot]

bs that chorus doesnt stagger it

like its the grossest boss. a holy relic of the emperor should stagger the shit out of it

[toxic reef]

smoke grenades stops it from puking right?

[primal zealot]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[toxic reef]

since it's a ranged attack

I feel like that happened a few times today

[tame lodge]

It doesn't stop stop

It makes it get closer to puke

[hollow ibex]

Fr fr

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-soyjak-pissluffare-soy-gif-25061889

[gentle lake]

Yall not gonna die dude

[tame lodge]

I mean

Yeah

Nothing ever happens

[sudden cedar]

What will we get from this patch? Most likely nothing.

[hollow ibex]

Power falchion surely

[void dragon]

setting my expectations for falchion skin so i can be surprised by Obesefish performance, no matter the outcome

[primal zealot]

im expecting no power falchion

that way i can either be right or pleasantly surprised

[mortal aspen]

power duelling sword

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/chembrina-family-guy-stan-twitter-hand-shoo-family-guy-wooden-hand-shoo-gif-12450519386231809240

[void dragon]

Ah yes, SM2, the game whith the mechanical depth of a puddle and nowadays you get punished for using said mechanics because F.U.N

[faint beacon]

Admittedly it’s kinda worrying how it’s complete fucking dead air

In regards to the update

[tame lodge]

You know they are going to fall for that propaganda

😭

[orchid hemlock]

The movie game has no gameplay????

What!?!? IMPOSSIBLE 😭

[pseudo fiber]

I think it is simply a small update.

Or quickpaw hates us

[gentle lake]

Need plasma gun build....

[faint beacon]

I mean anything would do even if it’s just a simple “we tweaked a few weapons, here’s a peak of the new map”

Just fucking something

5 DAYS

[hollow ibex]

i wonder how much of a disaster this update is going to be

[gentle lake]

Damn yall update starved hard.

[midnight wyvern]

here's a neat overview of the new weapon

[hollow ibex]

what arbi talents are going to break this time??

[gentle lake]

Bugs far up the ass soon.

[midnight wyvern]

EO breaks again, never to be fixed

[faint beacon]

LMAO

Here’s a neat look at the weapon

It’s just a blank png

[gentle lake]

Maybe the game will just not work after the update

[midnight wyvern]

we can hope

oops, all back to vermintide

[hollow ibex]

33% increase in error 2014s 🔥

[faint beacon]

Veteran gets teased a possible new weapon and they’re now a year+ into not having one

Of course there will be starvation

[gentle lake]

Tbh I'm getting into veteran like its a new class lmao

[tame lodge]

Concussive (Literally nothing happens)

🗣️

[midnight wyvern]

I've barely played anything other than my one build on veteran so the rest of the class is almost new to me lmao

[midnight wyvern]

you take more damage when you headshot enemies

[gentle lake]

Veteran is kind of lacking.

Hm

I keep forgetting executioners stance gives more weakspot damage, right?

[midnight wyvern]

yeg

25% iirc

[gentle lake]

Hmmmm

Might be good with plasma

[midnight wyvern]

or thats spread and its 30%

[serene bough]

Im ok waiting

[cedar knoll]

why does no one use veteran

[serene bough]

Im in no rush

[midnight wyvern]

overkill

[serene bough]

🙂

[gentle lake]

Wdym overkill

I want to KILL

[midnight wyvern]

it does kill

[frank basin]

Im making relicblade in other video game by modding fully custom weapon

[tame lodge]

People can't aim

🗣️

[gentle lake]

....actually I just want to do more boss damage

[frank basin]

Meantime waiting the update drop

[tame lodge]

There's no such thing as overkill

[cedar knoll]

why does no one use the infantry lasgun

[tame lodge]

[midnight wyvern]

plasma boss damage meta

[frank basin]

Bad armor pen

[midnight wyvern]

dookie

[gentle lake]

Where

[tame lodge]

You will hit the heretics as hard as you can

[serene bough]

its not great atm compared to other options

[tame lodge]

No pulling punches

[frank basin]

I still use them but not great for cc and armored target

[serene bough]

IIb is decent if you wanna use

[midnight wyvern]

nah its fine but yeah, lots of armour and lacking pen

[tame lodge]

What are you
Some sort of heretical sympathizer

[midnight wyvern]

recipe for gathering dust

[frank basin]

I use IV

Ilas

[cedar knoll]

The only weapons i ever see are plasma, bolt pistol/gun, helbore and recon

[frank basin]

Full auto

[cedar knoll]

very few autogun maybe just more likely than lasgun

[frank basin]

Was recon a meme?

[tame lodge]

In the past

[frank basin]

I see

[tame lodge]

But it's ok nowadays

[midnight wyvern]

why hit slow and okay hard when you can hit alot and big hard, goofy investment into a plasma to make it do boss damage lol

[tame lodge]

No such thing as overkill

[midnight wyvern]

come speak to me when it can do 50% of some gamers healthbar

[tame lodge]

🗣️

[ornate glen]

No such thing as overkill... on plasma.

[frank basin]

Only overblow plasma

Boom!

[midnight wyvern]

martyrdom vet

[frank basin]

True

5 wound vet bomber

[ornate glen]

At least you can go out with a bang when you're surrounded.

[tame lodge]

No such thing as overkill

🗣️

[ornate glen]

On plasma!

[frank basin]

Few day ago I made plasma modding on different game

[tame lodge]

Why are you pulling your punches

[midnight wyvern]

random question; how hard would it be to make a mod that displays the laser weapons ammo correctly?

[tame lodge]

Are you some sort of heretical sympathizer

[midnight wyvern]

like, lower it to the amount it actually has in the mag and reserve

[tame lodge]

Sorry dunno .lua

Can't tell

[midnight wyvern]

neither

[faint beacon]

Probably not that difficult?

[midnight wyvern]

i may look into that for the homies

[faint beacon]

But Tbf the reason it’s like that is mainly cause of uncharged/charged shots with Helby

[frank basin]

Could use battery as source make counter active

And it count joules inside the battery

[faint beacon]

Infantry Las/Recon/Las pistol

Unsure

[spare wolf]

Could be complicated as some weapons uses different amount of ammo depends on their charged status, for example Helbore

[midnight wyvern]

thats literally the only one

[ornate glen]

Hm-m-m... just count only uncharged shots?

[spare wolf]

Well, lasgun with certain blessing also

[frank basin]

Or marks

They have laser beam size

Mk12 is thin

Rest mark is thick

I could think large size laser means more poweroutput

[ornate glen]

Not in this case.

[frank basin]

Or the smaller one is, because it packed thinnest line

[ornate glen]

Ah, Emperor, give me longlas.

[frank basin]

Longlas the mega battery eatery

[ornate glen]

And mega lethal. There's no such thing as overkill. Can't wait to spend all the batteries on horde.

[midnight wyvern]

80 mag size

consumes all of it in 1 shot

[ornate glen]

Overpowered, unpractical, difficult to use... sounds like a perfect gun for me.

[midnight wyvern]

real

I want to shoot a plogryn in the head and for the head to no longer exist

shrimple as

[pseudo fiber]

If you ask for longlas you must explain how it functions differently from existing guns and when playing darktide you would want a sniper rifle

[faint beacon]

Dead serious I dont even think it would be that great for the flow of the game

[ornate glen]

It's the only gun that exists in game and used against you, but you can't touch it.
UPD: forgot about machineguns.

[frank basin]

Sniper would be like use melee

For horde

This game ain’t payday 2 with skill called Graze

[ornate glen]

What that skill does?

[frank basin]

Is just explosive headshot

[ornate glen]

"Cranial corruption" kicks in.

[frank basin]

[formal ice]

Good night Small Weapons Guys

Are you ready for 23th?

To finally get one singular weapon?

[boreal goblet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1nkg6y1/spreadsheet_on_lasweapons/

This thread is...

Well I can't quite describe it other than "Onslaught is Manditoy."

[formal ice]

Ew Reddit

[hollow ibex]

typical redditor take

onslaught is a trap

mandatory if you want to be ass at the game

or if you are already ass at the game*

[formal ice]

Sirosky guy

Explain what this means

[hollow ibex]

onslaught only meaningfully helps against crushers

which is an opponent that you should just melee

instead of wasting ammunition on

yes it's very funny to shoot crushers with sparkly lasers and kill them that way

but it really is just a waste of ammo

and the other really big problem with onslaught

is that you're spending at least 2 points on it

on the most taxed tree

just so you can shoot crushers

https://tenor.com/view/tradeoffer-trade-offer-gif-22327168

[ornate glen]

True. If you have to pick "Onslaught" to deal with armor - better go melee.

[rough adder]

||And then there was me picking onslaught because I wanted to get heavy sword to work||

[ornate glen]

What about "Exploit Weakness"?

[rough adder]

Wait Actually

I don't remember which one i picked

let me check

I picked both lmao

[hollow ibex]

meme

[rough adder]

Is it obvious I make build purely based on vibes

[hollow ibex]

potentially viable on one build

[rough adder]

To be fair he's responding to me picking onslaught for a heavysword build

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[rough adder]

which i pick partially because i use vraks iag so i spray the crusher a little bit then switch to melee

[ornate glen]

Hm, I see. Engagement with a gun and then you're going in with a blade. Which may be not the safest option in WH40000, where 40000 is the number of crushers going your way. Just kidding, there's no safe options.

[rough adder]

OK the thing is

I am using a heavy sword

I am coming in with the expectation im not gonna cut down crusher horde in droves

[hollow ibex]

you can use it with a gun that can deal with crushers

like helbore, bolter, revolver, etc.

don't need to spend two points just for onslaught

[ornate glen]

I'm not saying that (just yet).

[hollow ibex]

and tbf hsword can deal with crushers

just slowly

it's like 500 dps

[rough adder]

So my tactic is basically slow them down long enough for my teammate to deal with it, or hard focus on one or two

Or if my teammate is not here

[hollow ibex]

bolter can effectively deal with groups

revolver can 2-shot crushers

[rough adder]

Just kite them for 5 minutes

It's not like it's not possible

[ornate glen]

To kite them for long time you have to deal with specials. Yeah, that's ironic.

[rough adder]

You don't understand

The point of this build is that it's funny-

erm

the point of the build is

[ornate glen]

To have fun.

[rough adder]

I don't care about crushers

I'm building it like my usual anti light elite/specialist build

And then frankenstein it into something that can kind of reasonably deal with crushers with a heavy sword

But at the same time

I do realize it's very stupid to pick onslaught when i have enough points to go for superiority complex

which is something I just realized 5 minutes ago

But counter counter point (to myself)

[ornate glen]

Strange, but kinda makes sense.

[rough adder]

It's really funny to finish off a half-wounded crusher with an iag

Just because I can

[ornate glen]

Ha! Have you tried that with bayonet or shotgun's stock?

[rough adder]

wait shotgun have a stock?

[ornate glen]

Double barrel.

And you can stagger ragers with it's heavy strike.

[rough adder]

Oh cool

To be fair I never really got to use double barrel much because I never quite understand the use case

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1418078742198095964/706A021.MP4?ex=68cd78fe&is=68cc277e&hm=8c3f09549802a69392e2580e6140e271ddb88d190f0b3b0518cebac5790da306&

deleting hordes and elites in cqc

[hybrid plover]

The only weapon that node is even remotely worth using with is tac axe.

And even then, given its in most cases contending with a 25 toughness node, it's still a hard node to justify picking.

Wait. One more. Devil's claw with shred.

Those are the two weapons that exploit weakness actually can matter for.

[tall torrent]

abysmal dogshit unfortunately

vet has many bad talents

[tall torrent]

Ranged attacks that have larger hitscan sizes prioritize weakspot as registered hit if the target's weakspot is within the hitscan region
It’s not hard to headshot, just put crosshair on head
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/15685988150474056690/8AA58D815C97FCB57A2ADB36C77BB29248754CEE/

[quaint marsh]

Skirmisher is pretty good. +25% damage and all you have to do is sprint for at least a second evey 10 seconds? Ez.

[narrow frost]

That's not exactly how it works

[quaint marsh]

Kuli's guide says you can refresh it. I meant stacking it and then keeping it refreshed because it lasts so long

[narrow frost]

You have to be sprinting with stamina and not sliding

Which is the main counter to ranged enemies

But it does work

[hollow ibex]

it just feels like shit to play

[quaint marsh]

Now that, the guide doesn't mention. Interesting.

Good to know

[hollow ibex]

because it forces you to sprint just for long enough that you'd want to start sliding

esp when under combat

peak fatshart vet talent design

[narrow frost]

Iirc dodging also doesn't count

So the only time you get the bonus is pre combat

When you are sprinting into a fight

Then it's off for most of the encounter

[hollow ibex]

just run circles around heretics

[narrow frost]

It's a cool idea

But badly implemented

[quaint marsh]

I have lmao. One crusher left, just dodged and ran full 360 around him before killing him lol

[narrow frost]

Sliding is too strong to not utilize

[quaint marsh]

Yeah I never considered that it didn't count sliding and sprinting with no stam. Usually kuli's guides mention things like that.

[narrow frost]

Try it out yourself, I could be wrong.

Not at my pc right now, but I can check tomorrow

It might also be infered since most things that are connected to sprinting need stamina

Like dodging ranged

[quaint marsh]

I just got in bed or I would. I can try tomorrow night too.

Right

[narrow frost]

@quiet valley wake

Spew your skirmisher propaganda

https://tenor.com/view/mr-fat-street-cat-chineese-street-cat-chineese-supreme-commander-gif-4829011437546673465

[tall torrent]

it's ass because it's quite rare to go full 1s sprint in sustained combat

[narrow frost]

It

[tall torrent]

the stacking mechanism is just atrocious

should be changed to gain stack per stamina spent

tbh

[narrow frost]

Are you able to confirm if stacks refresh when sprinting without stam?

I do want to make sure about that part

[rough adder]

Holy shit another use for stripped down + duck and dive found?

[tall torrent]

as long as it is sprint it works

but

vet sprinting without stamina

https://tenor.com/view/powerpuff-girls-hamster-gif-12944509259438973023

[narrow frost]

True..

@quaint marsh I was proven wrong

Sprinting without stam does work

Apologies

[rough adder]

In that case may I introduce you to the glorious stripped down + duck and dive

[tall torrent]

not worth taking

[rough adder]

DPS wise yeah I know

[tall torrent]

it's fun for what it is but it's not notably good

[narrow frost]

Duck and dive is an interesting idea

Getting stam on dodge

[grand perch]

if we had, like, 3 tax nodes less yeah

it all comes back TO THE TAX

[tall torrent]

nah

with 3 less tax nodes it'll be full red node + nade upgrade

prob

[rough adder]

But the utility of almost always having full stamina, and literally invincible against gunfire (as long as you don't stop) is nice as hell
You just need to have a plan of what to do when you stop otherwise you will get instantly vaporized on havoc

But alas, it is meant to be a meme build

[tall torrent]

it does nothing vs melee enemies and the internal cooldown is quite long

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f4426c1-00e2-41a0-b5ca-c51156ff0f8f/skirmisher-grenadier

Just walk

Its really that easy just run around guys

[grand perch]

Forrest Gump ass build

[tropic notch]

was a fun maelstrom

to the vet named doran who was using recon and ds get bent and diffed by a controller player

i ate a sniper while dropping and got overheaded by a crusher wif no sound

@tall torrent how do i stop taking damage?

[grand perch]

Switch to arby

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362968501318713346/1382399852708757635/speed.gif

[grand perch]

Why u hitting yourself

That's not how you stop taking damage

[sudden cedar]

I don't like cats, but why would you punch one.

[grand perch]

Look at the smug bastards

(kidding i don't condone animal violence except against arby dogs)

[unreal forge]

hallelujah his ears have grown back

[ornate glen]

AI.

[steep flower]

Internal cooldown on it dosen’t really matter; if you run & you proc it you’ll never run out of stamina on weapons that have access to stripped down
And in melee situation while being under gunfire; you won’t be spamming push in any capacity so you at worst maintain stamina in order to push; at best you gain stamina

[old cobalt]

Does anyone have any recommendations for more generalist veteran guides when it comes to like actually playing from Auric, to Havoc? While the pinned guide is very helpful its less of a practical guide and more of a build/mechanic index.

I've been doing fairly well as Ogryn and Zealot with their high survivability, and with Psyker I've gotten pretty solid at keeping my teammates between me and the scary stuff, but with shout vet im struggling to find my flow

[toxic reef]

this is a good start

[toxic reef]

avoid these

vet survivability is shouting and not getting hit

[old cobalt]

I've been trying to avoid using shout as a crutch. Is my gameplay loop SUPPOSED to be just. Shout, explode a special or two, shout again

and spam the everliving shit out of it?

[toxic reef]

I mean you can learn executioner stance with precision weapons and deal a lot of damage

[old cobalt]

Yeah. I -want- to do shout vet but I don't want to feel like I NEED to use shout just to survive, so I can make sure I have it when my teammates need it. Maybe I can learn ES as a start and when I'm confident enough to survive on it as Vet I can go Shout Vet?

I just dont wanna have a zealot repeat where I learn chorus first and then when I DONT use chorus I feel like im made of tissue paper

[toxic reef]

the vet builds I like are either shredder grenade spam, recon lasgun, or power sword weapons specialist

and all use shout

[old cobalt]

Is recon lasgun that goated? I heard is was just kinda shity Vraks

[toxic reef]

you slot the crits consume no ammo talent

[old cobalt]

Oh.

I uhm.

Say no more.

[toxic reef]

take the one with highest firerate

[old cobalt]

I understand.

That sounds very enjoyable.

[topaz lance]

I hope they remove shout from the tree in the update. It shouln't exist because I don't like it.

[toxic reef]

smoke vet is also nice on higher difficulties

[old cobalt]

for the recon las rifle build, can you share yours?

That sounds like an absolute shitpost of a build thats still pretty effective

i wouldnt mind trying it out

[narrow widget]

if you're popping specialist heads regularly there should be no issues with uptime

[toxic reef]

not at pc so idr the exact one, but prob something like this

[old cobalt]

that I can work with

also why is field improv a talent youre supposed to avoid?

[narrow widget]

like with every other character you're still mostly melee focused (unless playing recon lasgun or like helbore or smth)
play frontline and help clear hordes (ps6, rashad, blah blah blah), kill specialists when they appear
you regen grenades really quickly so I always try to maintain 1/3 grenades in pocket (have one for sticky situations and others empty to keep regen)

[old cobalt]

removing corruption and replenishing grenades on any med/ammokit deployed in your coherency seems pretty solid?

[toxic reef]

field improv isn't on the list I posted

[narrow widget]

some people like it because extra utility but I don't take it bc we're already taxed so much in the tree and it's not really that necessary

[old cobalt]

oh

no its not

i misread

[toxic reef]

it's fine, slot it if you can

[old cobalt]

I really like slotting Field Improv/Leave No One Behind

[narrow widget]

leave no one behind is probably an avoid in most cases tbh

you have to spend 2 points to get it

[old cobalt]

I know its not OPTIMAL

[toxic reef]

yeah not worth

[old cobalt]

but its a talent I just really like

Like if I want to gigasweat I will 100% take it off

but when in doing auric/damnation pugs i keep it on

[toxic reef]

I usually just shout when I'm over them and then have time to pick them up

[old cobalt]

but honestly even with this build i'll probably skip it for Target Down/Redirect Fire

[narrow widget]

yea

or shredder nade

[toxic reef]

or smoke them if I have them

[old cobalt]

on my stealth build I very much like Smoke Grenades

especially since LnoB is also along the way?

LnoB + Res Speed Curio Talents + Smoke Grenades + Stealth makes it fairly easy for me to keep dummies in low difficulties alive

dont use it for actually hard content tho

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stealth literally does all that anyway

I don't see the point in taking all those extra talents when you can just

[toxic reef]

I don't run anything below auric so

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pop stealth

res

leave stealth

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same here tbh

[toxic reef]

if I want to go full revive-maxxing I just play kinetic deflection psyker or ogryn so

[old cobalt]

I have friends I play the game with who play Heresy. In one of these games I had almost 20 revives and 5 rescues.

I don't want to carry by steamrolling the mission. I want to carry by making sure my teammates who suck are playing the game as long as possible

[toxic reef]

ogryn is peak protecting lil'uns so

[steep flower]

TAKE

[old cobalt]

I take it for the recon build

Headhunter + Infernus?

[toxic reef]

ye

[old cobalt]

ogie

and that talent only procks on CRITS

not Weakspot Crits

where are a DISTINCTLY different thing

ya?

[mortal aspen]

they are different. weakspot hits aren't crits, but they can be crits

[old cobalt]

ye

also its just the highest fire rate one right?

the Mk. XII

which is the... only torrent recon las gun

[toxic reef]

ye

[silent anvil]

Just had an unfortunate moment where I'm doing the twins, and I had bots. Don't know if it's supposed to be like this, but none of the bots spawned with me, so I got destroyed by the twins and everything else swarming me

[meager echo]

Why ogryn so strong compare to vet, i just spam light and press w, no dodge wtf.

so strong it's dumb

this class is more busted than arbi

[sudden cedar]

You have just described Ogryns in general.

[pseudo fiber]

Yes

[plain osprey]

Damn

[plain osprey]

Given how low the player count is rn we need all the fresh blood we can get lmao

[old cobalt]

wdym? This game has a pretty solid player count.

4k Average concurrent players isnt bad at all

[pseudo fiber]

And that's only steam

[old cobalt]

yee

[unreal forge]

it's a frontliner and veteran isn't

[old cobalt]

This game aint even close to dead

Like even FFXIV only has like 10k concurrent on steam iirc

[pseudo fiber]

Could be worse could be playing payday 3 or FBC firebreak

[meager echo]

but isn't that a bit too strong... Like wtf man.

[unreal forge]

no

[pseudo fiber]

Or hunte hunter nex impact lmfao

[unreal forge]

I dunno but I can't make Ogryn work too well. On Vet I can move faster than a turtle and my ranged weapon is useful

[plain osprey]

I can barely get good teammates on european servers on quickplay on auric/auric maelstrom.

Back in the day thats where all the fun was
Now the cracks moved on to havoc 40 💀🤮🤢

[unreal forge]

you're also just looking at numbers on a modded scoreboard and not context

[old cobalt]

isnt the whole point of ogryn that theyre supposed to be hyper-durable glue for the party, and if you're noticing a huge gap in ogryn vs your other classes, you probably need to work on your survivability/positioning?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-were-aware-of-that-james-t-kirk-william-shatner-star-trek-the-original-series-gif-23455293

[old cobalt]

this is a genuine question btw

[meager echo]

i mean, I spamed light and out perform 3 others player, look at my damage taken. It's point out I play pretty bad, consider it auric.

that's way too stong man.

[unreal forge]

or maybe you were just better

[pseudo fiber]

Well it's more they're that and they do a ton of melee damage... and they do a lot of ranged damage as well

[meager echo]

aint no way spam light is optimal man.

[unreal forge]

it's just auric it isn't really hard to perform well

light spam is more optional than combos on too many weapons

even power sword

[tame lodge]

Bully Clubs
Cleavers 3 and 4

Paul

Shovel 19

[old cobalt]

Bully Club IIIa

its so fucking optimal on the IIIa

also is CA supposed to be hitting breakpoints against Flak Gunners?

AH. I FOUND OUT WHY MY CA WASN'T WORKING AS WELL AS IT SHOULD

THESE FUCKERS

They survive a headshot at 6 hp