veteran-class

[midnight wyvern]

what a chest

[hollow ibex]

I love opening up random chests in the slums and it’s full of drugs 😍

[midnight wyvern]

lmao end of the hallway it was in

there was another small chest with another celerity

meth capital

[tall torrent]

veteran will always get gold toughness from it

[low oar]

Brutal momentum or slaughter for the one blessing slot on psword?

Weird how Fatshark made a sword that only has one blessing slot

[odd sparrow]

brutal

[tall torrent]

BM or sunder

choose between these two

[low oar]

I'm thinking BM because I push attack a lot

[tall torrent]

sunder is better vs mixed horde
BM is better vs pure horde

both are substantial improvements

[low oar]

Yeah but there's nothing more satisfying than poking a crusher's face with a power sword

[tame lodge]

2 swords with 1 slot if you count Hsword

[hollow ibex]

technically there's quite a few weapons with one slot

[turbid ibex]

theres even some with no slots

actually ngl i feel like the two slot weapons are in the minority

[rough adder]

Honestly it'd be cool if they make it so that you can only choose pistols for your gun if you use power fist, and have the special action be shooting your gun
Would be analternative to duel wielding

[wraith tundra]

Is shovel on veteran good

[hollow ibex]

not really

unfortunately

[wraith tundra]

🙁

[hollow ibex]

it has not done well with the power creep

strongest vet melee right now is power sword

followed by rashad

then probably duelling sword

[wraith tundra]

Rashad? Axe?

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[hollow ibex]

50 brusiers lol

granted DB doing a lot of work here

[void dragon]

DB makes DS usual lack of horde clear a breeze, probably one of the natural perfect pairs...if only DS was not so busted

[hollow ibex]

I still prefer weapons with good horde clear with DB just to proc WS faster

[hybrid plover]

knife is a decent complement that isn't as overpowered

more fun too imho

[void dragon]

Yeah, thing is that knife has somewhat ok clear of hordes, but the DS mobility safety and focus on single target makes a solid compliment for the DB great capacity to clean hordes.

But in most cases most melee weapons will skyrocket their horde clear with the shotgun, something near with Knife or even Shovel is that the rending from it can make shooting at Caparace enemies somewhat not bad.

Have a really not meta build that has bleeding for it and doesn't feel so bad of a weapon

[hybrid plover]

mk3

is better for single target than mk6

[void dragon]

It is? Maybe will give it a try later, don't recall testing both mks

[hybrid plover]

mk6 is usually the better option but there's some incentive to using mk3 when it comes to using a double barrel

[hybrid plover]

mk3's always have those strikedown stabs that do a lot of single target damage

[hollow ibex]

for vet ig, but mk6 has higher single target dps if you can PA spam

[hybrid plover]

if

but you really need a delay node to make that work on a consistent basis

mk3 can do comparable single target without the need for stamina usage like mk6

[void dragon]

Veteran and it's asthmatic lungs and you want him to pushvattac SPAM? that's crazy

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I mean personally I prefer mk3 anyways

[hybrid plover]

also, heavy 2 into light is pretty darn good dps

[void dragon]

Speaking of, what blessing and perks do knife run?

[hybrid plover]

and special attack + light since the light after the special attack is basically a heavy strikedown

and it's way more spammable for some reason than the special attack + light on mk6

[hybrid plover]

it depends

[hollow ibex]

always uncanny

for mk3 i only use it on a bleed build

so lacerate

[hybrid plover]

for mk3, lacerate or flesh tearer + uncanny

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah FT works well too

[hybrid plover]

mk6, you can actually be a lot more flexible with

still uncanny if you're using something that leans on dots like shredders but precog, riposte or executor are all reasonable options

but if not using shredders, honestly, uncanny isn't actually as needed

i've been actually using mk6 with precog + executor when i use smokes and it's honestly pretty good for making the knife more viable as a horde clear option while still having reasonable armor damage

[rough adder]

Just overall dps wise no, but it's got a lot of quirks that makes it surprisingly good and it's actually my favorite vet melee weapon
It's got nice block multiplier and stamina, 5 dodges, so pretty good defensive wise, it has deceptively long reach, the moveset is really intuitive (push attack for single target, heavy for high stagger and horde clear and light for everything else), it has surprisingly good stagger, and you can stop mutants or insta-stagger a crusher with the special attack head shot. And you can put uncanny on it so everything that interact with that applies.
Personally, my final note is that it is a very flexible weapon that is really good if you like to have good defense and stand your ground. Just don't compare it to dueling sword.

[hollow ibex]

yeah i like it, just numerically needs some buffs

[naive needle]

Shovel is also a fairly quick swing

Easily my favourite veteran weapon, although I don't think I have used every available weapon yet and certainly not extensively

Ogryn bonk sticks are fun too, but coming back to veteran it feels much faster to smack things. Mostly use it for swarms and then lasgun specials

[hollow ibex]

hope shovels get buffed

cuz they need it really fucking badly

[pastel yew]

I mean, in an ideal world you trade off damage for crowd control but

[faint beacon]

Has uncanny so

[pastel yew]

then you just get weapons that do not trade that off and just have both

[faint beacon]

erm no

[hollow ibex]

funny how even with op blessings shovels are still trash

[grand perch]

Melee weapons that lock you onto the enemy for too long try not to suck challenge: Impossible

[pastel yew]

chainaxe by beloved

[faint beacon]

PSA to the slightly newer players I was playing with when I was doing a clutch

[grand perch]

Chain weapons, folding shovels, I'm looking at you

[faint beacon]

fucking

6

when im LMS

kill me

[pastel yew]

chain axe is likely number 1 on my "buff this" list

really cool weapon thats never really had a chance to shine

[grand perch]

LMS?

[faint beacon]

last man standing

fucking 6 tox bombers spawning all at once when my entire team died from a massive gunner horde

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/lawyer-lionel-hutz-simpsons-gif-7876162

Darktide if pox bombers never got implemented

[faint beacon]

They're just fucking tedious when they start spawning in more than packs of 2

[steep flower]

You should try them again then

[steep flower]

Only on mk 7; its doodoo
But mk 3 is perfect

[steep flower]

It does; just need a build (like any weapon in this game)

[hollow ibex]

i have recently, shovels can work, but very build specific

[pastel yew]

hm? I mean I'd accept being wrong I've really not played all that much in the past year but at least from memory it felt pretty good into maelstrom and felt like it got worse and worse the higher you went into havoc. Not that I mind using a bad weapon but its definitely one that feels tense to use

[steep flower]

I use chainaxe in h40 and it slays on vet of all classes

[pastel yew]

because vet best melee vet best at everything, never believe the doubt

[steep flower]

Despite its limitations which is horde clear

[steep flower]

1 shots crusher on demand in auric; 2 shots in havoc

[pastel yew]

2 shots is a little underselling it tho no?

1 shot from a chainaxe is not the same as one shot from most melee weapons

its a lot slower

[steep flower]

With light att revs to the head

[steep flower]

Have you ever heard of a brillant strategy one can implement in any game that involves units?
Spacing

[steep flower]

1 shot is still a 1 shot; might be slower but still is

That means it has power

Not to mention stun on demand vs anything exept mutants & bosses

And good defensive moveset (if we talk about mk 4 that is)

[pastel yew]

I think if I'm remembering right I was mostly using the mk12

preferred the sticking on heavies even if it was the lesser option

[pastel yew]

yeah I just think time to kill is a better metric for measuring strength in a game like this where its just hyper density

[steep flower]

No wonder you felt like the chainaxe needs buffs; 12 is doodoo

[steep flower]

Mk 4 has light sticking; faster, safer, revs don’t take longer like on 12

[pastel yew]

12 looks so much cooler though

big fan of the thrust attack on that weapon too

[steep flower]

Don’t think too much in ttk metrics tho; when you learn the animations of enemies & utilize the terrain and your own kit you can rev without interruption
And even if you get interrupted; bloodletter is your carry
Should always use it

[steep flower]

Thrust is nice but on a mark that has no CC its oof

All you have is light att spam

Just like PS

[pastel yew]

ngl I didnt know that the other mark could oneshot crushers into auric health pool

I guess you need all your blessings charged

[steep flower]

12 can do too

Its just less safe cause rev has an extra rev tick

[steep flower]

If you think about headtaker/slaughterer i don’t use neither

[pastel yew]

I think I was running headtaker and thrust but I cant quite remember, thrust is really slow but when it does land its fun

if you've already got a build planner set out post the link pls, otherwise dont put yourself out for it as I'm unlikely to play any time soon

waiting for more content to drop

hopefully when it does vet finally gets that weapon thats coming soon and has been for a year

[steep flower]

Ye thrust on 12 works well

[steep flower]

Sure thing; watch your dms on discord

[muted peak]

Ty

[midnight wyvern]

lmao

its cuz someone else alr had

[muted peak]

Didnt see it

[midnight wyvern]

@steep flower been running puncture/shrimp and its been fine

dunno why it would've felt off when I was testing them but

still 1 clips a DH, still 1 clips a Plogryn with red stim, might even do it without, helps with Cspawn cuz usually its not all headshots

and its funny to watch captains bleed out through their shield

been nice against other things too

[steep flower]

Ay! Glad you tested it!
I wanted boltgun to not be one dimentional weapon purely vs bosses/twins - i like to be able to do multiple things
It can reliably almost 2 mag bosses in h40, 2 mags them with rampaging buff
Twins get 2 mag too; perfect setup as i played is to shout for buffs BEFORE their shields break - this way once it goes down they fall on all fours and give you easy access to their head; if you shout after the shield breaks they get pushed and its harder to hit their carapace helmet

[midnight wyvern]

is there a way to be able to spawn twins in psyk?

[steep flower]

Yes but they spawn without shield and i think its only the original karnak twins not LT versions in havoc

[midnight wyvern]

same armour layout or different?

[steep flower]

Carapace helmet, rest is flak to my knowledge
LT’s however apparently have carapace helmet & unarmored rest (atleast according to some rumors/wiki)

[steep flower]

This is for Sword Twin; Rinda - might be the same for LT versions

[midnight wyvern]

[steep flower]

Crazy that its unarmored despite the model itself

[midnight wyvern]

definitely felt the increase in damage for the DoT on arb maul when I switched it from Cara/unyield to Cara/Flak specifically for melting captains/twins

yeah lmao

they're covered in armour

• unarmoured

[steep flower]

Same goes for flamers & trapper
Covered in armor
Maniac

[atomic void]

Why even give them 3 armor types lol

[sly orchid]

Really?

[steep flower]

I still remember times when scab bomber was maniac

[sly orchid]

I thought flak body carapace head

[steep flower]

Me 2; wiki says it all

[midnight wyvern]

they are, but most everything else is unarmoured

oh, center mass is unarmoured

whack

like

technically yes

[steep flower]

So DoT

[sly orchid]

Yeah that makes more sense

[midnight wyvern]

but also

[atomic void]

Tbf who tf is hitting "low upper leg"

[midnight wyvern]

yeah interesting

gotta test that

[turbid ibex]

Me

[steep flower]

Can hit by accident

[midnight wyvern]

going unarmoured on an arb maul sounds like throwing lmfao

it already giga melts them

[sly orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/syfm-dyinglight-2-dying-light-2-dying-light-dyinglight-gif-5080836259428764292

[atomic void]

Get stomped bozo

[turbid ibex]

Lore accurate Kyle Crane

[steep flower]

Center mass is always responsible for DoT dmg; thats why when you have puncture on boltpistol with flak instead of unarmored you do more dmg to dreg gunners via bleed cause their center mass is flak

[turbid ibex]

Nah uninteresting

[steep flower]

Until they introduce dreg maulers
And make them infested not unarmored

[midnight wyvern]

its also why the carapace body rager takes DoT damage for flak

goofy ah

[atomic void]

Tf is that attack speed

[midnight wyvern]

welcome to the wonderful world of shock mines bugging the fuck out with targets acquired

and arbites vigiliant

[atomic void]

Oh that one lmao

[steep flower]

Yeah; the only carapace thing they have is that you can’t cleave it & has same dmg resist as carapace for dmg other than DoT; purgatus psykers would cry if it would be carapace just like on a crusher

[midnight wyvern]

I love doing that in havoc and people just go "where is the melee twin"

its dead bruv

fucking bullied

[steep flower]

Joseph Joestar ah ORA ORA meme right there

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-world-jojos-bizarre-adventure-muda-muda-gif-15038830

[meager echo]

most annoying penance ever...

[midnight wyvern]

@steep flower
55.6k no red stim bolter with Shrimp and Puncture
53042 with no red stim bolter with shrimp and cavalcade

puncture do more

unsure if there is mods that let you scale Psykhanium into havoc but I would like, so I can test the full damage into a healthbar that can actually take a red stim lol

cavalcade/shrimp was leaving H40 plogryns on 15-17k?

according to the havoc database gameslantern website thing, havoc 40 gives 70% increase monstrosity health, so a plogryn would have 102k

so shrimp-cavalcade is doing 83-85k with a red stim, still insane

[steep flower]

To my knowledge there is one

[midnight wyvern]

I cannot find one with various searches

[steep flower]

The question is; how many crits were present
Its important

[steep flower]

They have like 106 000 hp

[midnight wyvern]

I thought they had more than 102k too, but 70% of 60 is 42

the website can be wrong

[steep flower]

Need to look at my footage & find a plowgryn there

When i return home that is

[midnight wyvern]

you had a T hammer bonk on one you showed yesterday but

it died in like 3-4 hits so I think weakened

and maybe not 40

[steep flower]

I only play on 40

[tame lodge]

Ok but hear me out

You make power fist a full melee weapon

[steep flower]

Need to see

[tame lodge]

So you can block push and the special used for charging a powerful punch

And if you want to use your ranged just swap to your ranged weapon

Let's avoid another grenadier Gauntlet

[steep flower]

Sadly links are expired…

[tame lodge]

Can't block or push

Can't hip fire

https://tenor.com/view/incrediboy-incredibles-poster-throw-syndrome-gif-17947237037189380740

[rough adder]

Yeah you're right I don't know why I had to stick with the duel wield

[tame lodge]

Because of the mini

It also got me thinking

An alternative option would be like SM2s

You can block and push

Special action to aim the gun

Heavy attacks automatically charge the fist

Except now you can't hip fire the gun

[tame lodge]

The alternative would be holding the heavy attack for a little longer charges a powerful attack

Like vt2s pickaxe

[steep flower]

Peak weapon

[midnight wyvern]

Pick weapon*

[turbid ibex]

Prick weapon

[tame lodge]

It's a peak weapon it you ignore half the shit bringing it down

Specially horde clear

It's vt2s Thunderhammer

💀

[viscid sparrow]

btw, any tips on what melee I could use on my brauto ExeStance build? (I need both decent horde clear and single target)

I tried mk3 shovel with Uncanny/Thrust, but the Maniac/Carapace perk combo made horde clear kinda bad, so I swapped Maniac to Unarmoured, which had ok results, but then my emergency mutie BPs were poor...

DS4 just isn't my preferred melee on anyone beyond psyker, either, due to the lack of area damage spam options to compensate for DS4's poor horde clear...

Rashad Caxe could work, but I can't afford to take the point off from either earlier stam regen or Desperado to get Trench Fighter...

[turbid ibex]

What does your build look like

[normal bay]

Chaxe

[narrow frost]

Tactical axe is very low point spend to very safe and decent horde clear

[viscid sparrow]

gimme a sec, gotta open up gameslantern for that...

[tame lodge]

Just go powersword 6 24/7/365

[midnight wyvern]

^

no talent investment and it does well

[tame lodge]

I should play more mk3

Before FS drops Falchion

[tame lodge]

Just saying

You can drop that 10% rending

For Onslaught

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-idk-iono-hands-up-gif-7122581203490458147

It is a brauto after all

[midnight wyvern]

or trench fighter

for carpal tunnel speedrun

[grand perch]

Always this

Fits very well on brauto builds

[viscid sparrow]

Onslaught would make the build too big of a pure meme build, though... (I want it to not be a pure meme build...)

[grand perch]

I'd rather drop 25 toughness for superiority complex

[tame lodge]

Ok but 10% rending gets overshadowed by Onslaught
And you're already there

[grand perch]

Or the node before onslaught

[tame lodge]

Just get it atp

[grand perch]

I forget what grey node that is before onslaught but it's likely better spent on sup complex

[tall torrent]

Stam regen delay

[tame lodge]

It's the -0.25 delay

[viscid sparrow]

its earlier stam regen... I kept it there as a leftover from my earlier "rashad caxe without trench fighter" setup...

[grand perch]

Don't really need that if you're going with tac axe

[grand perch]

If you're willing to drop the 25 toughness you could get stam regen and toughness regen in Focus target too

[viscid sparrow]

ok, but Higui said I should swap rending to Onslaught, and stam regen delay is needed for Onslaught to be accessed...

I am honestly getting mixed messages on what to swap into what...

[grand perch]

It depends on if you think onslaught is worth the 2 points getting there. Higui is objectively correct in that it's better than rending strikes here

But you could drop grey nodes and achieve better results with sup complex imo

Why not try both approaches and see if onslaught does anything for you in play?

[grand perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1416799564308152432/image.png?ex=68cb74aa&is=68ca232a&hm=13d6d30064ce64ed1a9fe440cf87e187e2d85a96aac5bdb541536126d4d51ce0&

This is what I do with brauto. Try your build, switching rending strikes for onslaught, then also try this

[orchid hemlock]

no reciprocity

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-bonk-bonk-cat-attack-white-cat-bonk-camera-gif-12579285308205623581

[tame lodge]

It's ok

Brauto isn't that CRIT heavy anyways

However

If they pair with Tactical Axe

[midnight wyvern]

was weakened, with 65978hp

[azure narwhal]

how does dum dum perform vs infernus dps wise? i plan on using Mk VIc recon lasgun

thinking HH + infernus

[tall torrent]

Use both

[azure narwhal]

ditch headhunter? that seems like a bit of a critical blessing especially with me using shock trooper

[tall torrent]

Use reciprocity talent

Headhunter’s value on recon is quite a bit lower than it seems when u have other good sources of crit chance

[tame lodge]

Sorry don't have the numbers
But dumdum is core blessing, it's just that good and not CRIT reliant

[azure narwhal]

i do but regardless, this seems too important to take off unless i really am overestimating its value, but it sure doesn't feel that way, ESPECIALLY during bossfights

[azure narwhal]

thing is, i crit one in every what, two hits? how does that pit inferno despite dumdum being core

i'll go do some testing myself though, thanks

[tall torrent]

Headhunter resets stacks whenever u get a crit and with reciprocity u can quite frequently have boosted crit chance

Recon also has crit string so the actual crit rate is higher than the stated crit chance

U also don’t need to shoot at most bosses with gun

[viscid sparrow]

shock trooper is kinda weird to use with recon anyways in my personal opinion, because each burst/string of crits only counts as 1 free shot (in other words, only the 1st shot in a crit string is free, on a gun with firerates between "fast" and "very, VERY fast"...)

[tall torrent]

They patched that

Applies to all critical shots

[azure narwhal]

yeah

[azure narwhal]

i mean true but some weapons like this just have flat out more DPS

[viscid sparrow]

what? I guess I didn't keep up with the changes...

[tall torrent]

Against what
What’s ur melee

[azure narwhal]

sure i can go slap it with my power sword but i'll do more damage with my gun and my magazine will last 2 ages due to shock trooper

i use knife and power sword mainly

they are incredible single target ofc

dare i say stupid when compared to other options

but in this case

[tall torrent]

Power sword is faster pretty sure

[azure narwhal]

i don't see how HH is worse

[trim badger]

Helbore lasgun >>> Recon
(In chadness)

[orchid hemlock]

Headhunter is deceptive

Do some math on what is actually does

[viscid sparrow]

hang on... each crit in a string (maybe, because idr that detail, but I think it does) applies infernus, right?

so, in that case, a few crit strings should get you to very high if not max infernus stacks regardless...?

[tall torrent]

Power sword is 17-18s vs plague ogryn on a hybrid setup that doesn’t spec melee super hard

Recon has <100% adm vs unyielding

[orchid hemlock]

5% stacks wheny you don't crit and resets when you do

So it actually has less value the more crit rate you have

[trim badger]

I mean 12 stacks is the max I think so 3 shots alone should max it out

[azure narwhal]

yeah ^ which is why i was comparing it against dum dum

[trim badger]

If those 3 shots are crits

Does dum dum work with the infernus DoT?

[azure narwhal]

yeah but this started as a convo about HH

i mean

i can give it a shot for sure

but i still feel like especially in bossfights

i'll get way less crits

[tall torrent]

Ndmg applies to all damage instances

[azure narwhal]

since i usually just pop a dmg stim and weakspot dump

[trim badger]

Nice

[orchid hemlock]

Infernus also synergizes with dumdum

[tall torrent]

In most boss fights u should melee more than u shoot

[azure narwhal]

i do, but with veteran's weapons i certainly don't feel the need to, bolter, plasma and such, bosses die very quickly and i needn't even plan on a melee fight

[azure narwhal]

thought so, will give it a shot regardless, thanks

[orchid hemlock]

I magdump crushers 😈

[tall torrent]

Plasma is not a boss dps gun and boltgun spends entire mag with pretty big downsides on handling

[atomic void]

if i take bolter on any class i shoot da boss

[willow prairie]

on vet it better to go for dumdum + crit on weakspot

[atomic void]

it chunks bosses

[willow prairie]

since it help massively with ammo economy and the crit making it keep up with infernus against bosses

[trim badger]

Bolter on zealot thanks to throwing knife tech

[azure narwhal]

perhaps, need to try myself to say for sure. i regardless get consistent great boss damage with not much ammo economy loss with such weapons, never really felt this issue even in high havoc

[trim badger]

🤤

[atomic void]

its perfect on zealot cause i never have to pull it out really and when i do i have ammo

and can cancel animation

[hollow ibex]

headhunter? headhunter is a trap on recon las

[orchid hemlock]

Nah I'm good thx

[hollow ibex]

if you don't want infernus, you take deathspitter

HH never falls into the equation

[orchid hemlock]

Spitting death 💀

[willow prairie]

ok infinite ammo

[trim badger]

Yeah it's my standard H40 weapon

However I'm still trying to find the Best blessing combo for bosses

Can anyone tell me the best blessing combo exclusively for bosses?

[orchid hemlock]

That's not even how HH works

Even if you are a headshot God at best you will get a 7.5% crit average increase for the game

You know what else saves ammo?

Less bullets to kill 😎

[trim badger]

True infinite ammo is Helbore + Surgical + Shocktrooper

[trim badger]

And ofc, survivalist

[willow prairie]

yeah like using other weapon

[willow prairie]

I mean do people wait for infernus burn stack to kill the enemy?

no it fucking recon las just fire

[orchid hemlock]

Actually yes

[willow prairie]

ok you're not human

that insane

[orchid hemlock]

If you already put 12 stacks I just move on to the next target

[trim badger]

I've seen many do that tbf

[orchid hemlock]

Infernus also excellent on massive HP targets where the dot actually contributes to the total damage like Ogryns, even if you hose them down

Even if you want more upfront damage, deathspitter exists

[tall torrent]

I mean
When DOT is ticking it’s like ur damaging them twice at the same time as you continue to shoot at it until it dies

[orchid hemlock]

Because the DOT is still going even if you are hosing the enemy

Deathspitter has a condition where you need to kill things before you get the damage buff

Infernus doesn't

[willow prairie]

i was talking about hh lol not ds

that the other guy

[topaz lance]

How do you feel about the power falchion probably just being a worse power sword?

[pseudo fiber]

I'm expecting it since the weapon is top 3. As long as it performs well and is fun to use then what have I got to lose

[tame lodge]

Expected

Nothing seems to beat Psword

Like generally speaking

If we specify single target then it has 1 or 2 others

If we specify horde then same thing

[hollow ibex]

don't care as long as it's decent and more importantly, fun to use

[wind grotto]

I can't wait for power sword but worse with the relic sword heat mechanic

the what 10 month wait now for a cool 40k weapon and it's just going to be a bad relic sword instead of a melta or hotshot lasgun or etc

[hollow ibex]

more variety and choices = good

[tame lodge]

I unironically expect it to be more single target reliant but with better dodges than Psword

[wind grotto]

i'd agree if we weren't down a veteran weapon for so long but absolutely not when we're this far from the promised vet weapon drop

[pseudo fiber]

Give the power falchion PA > L to two tap crushers and we're cooking

[wind grotto]

i'm fully expecting it to be completely useable but absolutely not better than power sword or ds, probably not better than tac axe even

[meager echo]

what if it's just a comestic not even falchon ps xD

just saying

[wind grotto]

doubt it

[pseudo fiber]

One thing we can confirm is its not that haha

[wind grotto]

they're just going to re-use the relic sword heat system everyone was expecting it after the relic sword came out they're just ludicrously slow on giving it

[tall torrent]

It’s already datamined as a new weapon family

[willow prairie]

inbred power weapon

[tame lodge]

Hey it got a hand guard

Which means pushing

Is just a punch in the face

[pseudo fiber]

Push attack is the hammer punch from VT2

[hollow ibex]

update is coming out in a week right

more news when

[tame lodge]

It's always Tuesday/Thursday

So best bet tomorrow

[trim badger]

I do be kinda sad that the potential new vet weapon is a melee

And not a pew pew

[trim badger]

Especially nothing else will after DS nerf

[willow prairie]

his greed is ruining the economy

[trim badger]

(But I paid for a DS skin so I'll use fucking DS)

[trim badger]

I mean I was waiting for a long while to get death korps

AND they also added THE OTHER good DS skin to the rotation

[atomic void]

new weapon should have been a stubber for both vet and arbeetus

or hotshot

[trim badger]

True

[tall torrent]

Next Tuesday

[atomic void]

they'll update the game when im busy its so over

[tall torrent]

No vet needs more good melee weapons

[atomic void]

but i want a big pew pew

[tame lodge]

Yeah it's specifically designed to drop when you are busy

[atomic void]

the world is against me bro

[tall torrent]

Play helbore then

[hollow ibex]

Oh is it next Tuesday? Thought it was the 24th for some reason

[atomic void]

i said big pew pew

[serene bough]

Another PS is kinda boring i would've preferred power fist

[atomic void]

as in BOOOM BOOM BOOM

[tall torrent]

23rd

[atomic void]

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTT

you feel me

[serene bough]

But still I wont say no to new weapons

[serene bough]

I feel u

[tall torrent]

Vet is never getting lascannon

[serene bough]

Helgun pls

[atomic void]

its so over

[orchid hemlock]

Vet is never getting

[atomic void]

not even a normal ass stubber?

i just want a lmg equailvent

[tall torrent]

Normal stubber is boring

[hollow ibex]

Bro if only

[atomic void]

lmgs when done right are never boring

i love bullet hosing

[serene bough]

We'll definitely get a stubber eventually its on the sharpshooter class art

[tall torrent]

Vet needs at least 2 other good melee weapons atm

[hollow ibex]

Does 40K not have something like modern LMGs lol

Stubbers are like African child soldier guns

Same with braced

[sly orchid]

Heavy stubbers are lmgs

[serene bough]

I would like more ranged over melee but I do want iconic melee added

[atomic void]

i should have specified heavy stubber tbh

that's what i want

big fk u PEW PEW PEW gun

[serene bough]

Wouldn't hurt to buff or rework chainsword so its actually viable

[hollow ibex]

nuh uh

[serene bough]

That would add to better variety

[hollow ibex]

can't even ADS with them

they're more like MMGs/HMGs fired from the hip

[sly orchid]

I want a braced bolter

[tall torrent]

Vet’s current ranged selection is decent so I’m not rly pressed on that front

[sly orchid]

Not an ads one

[tall torrent]

But vet’s current melee selection is down horrendous

[atomic void]

im surprised we dont have more bolter varients

its THE 40k gun

but we have 1 version only

[hollow ibex]

true

[tall torrent]

We do, they got scrapped

[atomic void]

[hollow ibex]

but they know giving us more bolters would make rejects far too powerful

[tall torrent]

Code for their damage profiles still exist in the publicly available DT code

[atomic void]

did the code specifiy what they would be like exactly

there's 10 trillion bolter varients

[tall torrent]

2 other variants of spearhead boltgun

2 other variants of plasma rifle

They scrapped a lot of stuff

[atomic void]

damn if only

a plasma gun varient that isnt light pew pew would be so cool

[serene bough]

I agree current melee weapons need to be buffed as well like shovel and chainsword

Bc while I dont mind another powersword idk how differently it'll perform to the current one to make it feel unique

[tall torrent]

I don’t care how they do it, either by massively buffing existing weapons or adding new weapons, but we should have at least 5 good melee weapons (excluding DS & knife) per class

[atomic void]

they can do it by finally making chain weapons goated

[serene bough]

Yeah if chain weapons weren't garbage thatd be great

Shovel feels underwhelming even if it is usable

[turbid ibex]

chain weapons deserve to be in a much better spot than rn

[hollow ibex]

At least bolter is good now

It’s funny how so many iconic weapons were trash

Many are still trash

[turbid ibex]

ilas, all the chain weapons, thammers

[atomic void]

i like evis now

i also have a soft spot for chain axe even if its not "good"

[willow prairie]

chainaxe is fine now

much better than chainsword because how the revup attack work

the damage is more evenly distributed so even if you don't do the whole thing it still good damage

meanwhile chainsword does very low damage tick then massive one at the end of the rev attack

[atomic void]

not sure if evistrator works exactly the same way but i always do fotf before the last tick

[turbid ibex]

it could still have some improvements

though the one that pisses me off the most is the ilas

[steep flower]

ay; found a clip with a real plowgryn; 102 000 hp
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/16329889545460599994/DF53FB8E1A2E257735888A3DF7A5E0116F58824F/

[turbid ibex]

their whole thing is they have a fuckton of ammo and they shoot lasers so they would be really stable when firing, plus being pretty lightweight

and they fumbled all of these 😭

well except for the short one

[steep flower]

lasguns canonically have no recoil; only training las weapons have artificial recoil function to them in order to train the guardsmen... so ye; we are using weapons meant for training

[turbid ibex]

the effective ammo count is deceptively low, the sights bounce all over the place when firing, and its mobility stats are worse than the bolter

[willow prairie]

sound like skill issue

[turbid ibex]

how the fuck does the lasgun lose to a bolter in mobility

[serene bough]

Tbh ilas IIb is actually a decent weapon and the IX used to be king

Its just the recent shift to the H40 armored elite death balls make them pretty poor choices in the current state of the game

Gunners not being as threatening as havoc 1.0 is also part of the reason

[turbid ibex]

they still dont feel good to use and dont portray the source material in any accuracy

other than the short one again

they completely fumbled the ilas

[serene bough]

Well the VII and IX definitely fell off thats true

I also feel part of the reason ilas feels underwhelming is bc recon in its current state

[grand perch]

IX ironically the best at dealing with cara (still shit at it)

[turbid ibex]

ye the recon feels more like what the ilas shouldve been

[serene bough]

If you damage max the IIb (exe + MMF with both rending nodes) you can nearly 1tap every enemy youd want to in auric, but you still need to actually aim shots whereas Recon M1 just paints the general direction with bullets and kills everything the ilas would've killed anyways

[turbid ibex]

actually good mobility, extremely high ammo count and pretty much 0 recoil

[serene bough]

Recon is probably a tad bit overtuned as it is tbh

But there's far worse offenders out there like rumbler or pyro stuff

[atomic void]

recon only flaw is that its a bit boring

u just pew pew pew pew

but doesnt require any aim

[serene bough]

Yeah its just a bullet hose

[atomic void]

bullet hoses are fun when they're unstable asf

[serene bough]

It probably needs to have its effectiveness at long ranges tuned if the ilas wants any relevancy as a weapon

[atomic void]

recon is laser accurate pun intended

[serene bough]

Whether thats recoil or spread

[turbid ibex]

the ilas also needs some improvements

[serene bough]

Yeah less recoil, better flak adm, and a bigger hitbox on the laser if you ask me

[turbid ibex]

also better mobility and ammo

[serene bough]

Wouldn't say no to either of those things either

IIb has some desirable mobility perks like instant sprint to fire

IX needs some huge damage buffs too imo

[turbid ibex]

i dont mind it having better mobility than the other two marks

[grand perch]

the silly flashlight could be replaced by a power level changer. you know, more damage and rending per shot at higher ammo costs per shot

[turbid ibex]

but those two should have better mobility themselves

[faint beacon]

Hot take

[turbid ibex]

would be nice too

[faint beacon]

using the entire mag as a makeshift frag

overloading packs make them explode and Guardsmen are known for utilizing this

[turbid ibex]

i like the power level changer idea more

and again they 100% should get an ammo buff

[tall torrent]

Inf las needs way higher damage

[turbid ibex]

get rid of the stupid gimmick of each shot consuming more than one ammo

[tall torrent]

Most weapons don’t need ammo buff

U can circumvent the need for ammo buff on most weapons by making them hit much harder

Ammo economy is basically always secondary to dps output

[turbid ibex]

its the ilas though

im not against it getting a damage buff

[hollow ibex]

Get rid of reverse damage drop off 🙏

[turbid ibex]

but if any weapon deserves to have an absolutely ludicrous amount of ammo its the lasguns

and rn outside of the mark 2b its actual ammo count is really underwhelming

[grand perch]

only mark VII is underwhelming imo. mark IX is fine ammo wise

[tall torrent]

It’s not that bad

7-15m inverse falloff

[turbid ibex]

36 effective magazine size and 240/212 reserve depending on which mark

[tall torrent]

I think it just needs to hit significantly harder on almost every enemy

Especially flak and unyielding

It also needs better blessings

[turbid ibex]

that too

[hollow ibex]

I just don’t think it should exist in this game as a concept lol

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s ok

Some enemies u just don’t engage with gun at close range often

[meager echo]

funny bug haha

[tall torrent]

And it depends on how big the discrepancy in damage actually is

[serene bough]

Reverse damage fall off doesn't make sense to me anymore

Just make it hit the same at all ranges

Its not like youd try and keep your ilas out in close range anyways, would just make the gun more consistent

[hollow ibex]

I mean why penalize the player if they want to do gun kata with an ilas

Esp in DT where most engagements are CQC

[tall torrent]

I think it’s ok as long as the discrepancy is not absurd

[serene bough]

Removing it wont fix the guns problems but it just seems like a useless mechanic currently

It makes sense for guns that are supposed to be close range falling off at long, but short range ilas is already bad bc of the nature of the gun to me

[hollow ibex]

It’s not a useless mechanic rn. It’s just making the gun all that much worse.

[turbid ibex]

how much does it even affect the damage

[serene bough]

Depends on how you build but in auric it will be the different between 2 shots vs 3 shots to kill

For IIb at least

Its not going to matter all the time since you're often not firing at close range anyways... but why bother making it inconsistent vs just keeping consistent

[turbid ibex]

i mean

you could say the same for regular damage dropoff

[orchid hemlock]

What if there are no breakpoints? 😈

Recon wins every time

[turbid ibex]

idk i dont see reverse dropoff being as much of an issue as the other stuff holding the ilas back

[orchid hemlock]

Problem with Ilas is rending

Why tf is a LASER having trouble penetrating armor?

[tame lodge]

So you either 1 shot (1 shot breakpoint)
Or just doesn't damage the target at all

[turbid ibex]

i mean that is canonically an weakness of most lasguns

iirc

[orchid hemlock]

I don't think the Helbore has that problem

[turbid ibex]

most lasguns

[orchid hemlock]

I understand having problems with cara

But flak is soo painful

[turbid ibex]

Ye thats fair

Just saying that there is a lore precedence for lasguns struggling with armor

[turbid ibex]

Also that is far from the only problem with them

[primal zealot]

what game are you playing ?? game is like 80% ranged, half of which are on unreachable ledges, and the rests are specials

[hollow ibex]

CQC doesn’t mean you’re not using your ranged weapon

There just simply aren’t that many open spaces outside of specific areas

Most of the time you’re fighting in corridors of some sort

Also there’s a reason why your melee is your primary weapon

Not your gun

[primal zealot]

dude all i get are specialist horde

and snipers/gunner on ledges

thats it. thats the whole game at this point

easily 100 bursters per mission

50+ snipers in civi

[tame lodge]

Me when Shock Trooper Gauntlet

[primal zealot]

its literally only specials

and gunners

mostly ranged isnt even a maelstrom. its just the default setting

[sudden cedar]

🤔

[rough adder]

If you think this game has too many ranged that's a clear sign that your team is not clearing shooters

Or doing a bad job at tying ranged in melee

[primal zealot]

team ?

oh those guys

[rough adder]

Or maybe the entire playerbase forgot that supression is a mechanic that exists

[primal zealot]

yea im not sure wtf theyre doing

[rough adder]

TBF most pub teammate are only good at killing shotgunner groups in melee

[primal zealot]

they were good for getting the revive penance done but that was aeons ago

[tame lodge]

95% of it doesn't interact with suppression mechanic because it's pretty whatever mechanic

Reliable on some weapons

💀 on another

[primal zealot]

ur pubs kill stuff ?

mine mostly just die and leave

at least the bots feed me ammo

[rough adder]

AKA good at killing cooked chicken in a plate

[primal zealot]

the ones who dont leave mostly get on my case for picking up plasteel when theyre all dead

[sudden cedar]

And i thought the Arbitrator is going to take care of it. Oh well.

[narrow widget]

i die a little inside whenever i see those complaint posts on reddit that are like "my team wont let me scrounge around every single chest for plasteel 🥺 aita 🥺 🥺 🥺"
like bro if you're in need of resources just play like 1 game of havoc each week
doesnt even need to be high clearance 😭

[rough adder]

I mean it depends

I consider it a pretty good habit for the team to look around and loot chests for resources ammo and stims when the intensity drops and not much stuff is spawning

At the same time it's crucial to have the skill to quickly pick up stuff mid battle Naked Gun3 Leslie Nielsen style

[narrow widget]

obviously yeah when the chests are in the main path I go for them but I'm not gonna be like
going down every hallway or anything

[trim badger]

Played so much Havoc alone that I forgot you could actually find plasteel and diamantine

oops

[trim badger]

Good thing you're playing vet then

[serene bough]

I havent concerned myself with resources since 6 months after launch

Im so overloaded with mats

[frank basin]

Is time to lay off your duty

Go do other duty

[serene bough]

You play darktide bc you want an enjoyable pve game, I play darktide to repay my service to the god emperor. We are not the same

[plain osprey]

I play darktide because i am too dumb to quit...

[midnight wyvern]

vnoice

[void dragon]

Krieg guardsman spotted

[midnight wyvern]

@steep flowerok, credit where its due

puncture saves so much ammo lol

[jade flower]

I have nearly completed 10 auric missions without being brutally murdered penance.

I have one more mission to complete but I'm too tired to continue.

[fresh spire]

Does scattershot not show up on your buffs

i can see deathspitter but there's no indicator for scattershot

[hollow ibex]

Should but buff bar is also buggy as shit

[fresh spire]

probably cuz it's modded

[steep flower]

good; rest pal & claim victory later

[hot finch]

:3

[gentle lake]

Do I use Chain axe

[gentle lake]

omg war irl!

Wait

Why do you have a fucking shovel in your bed

[tame lodge]

Bed wars

[hot finch]

Why don't you is the real question

[umbral harness]

Has dt been extra buggy lately?

Im on console

No matter what i change my weapons to I spawn with my original loadout

Regradless of meat grinder havok or normal matches

My loadout wont change from plasgun and chainsword

Neither does my profile frame

[unreal marsh]

what do you take for blessings on rashad axe? I already have brutal momentum

[umbral harness]

I always take crit

[narrow frost]

Rashad Combat axe takes Headtaker + Brutual Momentum

[spark helm]

So my grenade and mouse wheel select function just stopped working in the middle of a mortis trial run and almost cost the run. Anyone else getting hit with that?

[umbral harness]

Yes but console

Top cross sometimes switches weapons

Even tho thats Y

???

[unreal marsh]

am I unlucky or is Stub revolver IIA no longer in vets kit? I ahve all ranged wep unlocked but im not getting it

[narrow widget]

select the weapon in your inventory and click "marks"

[unreal marsh]

i forgot they made that change

i crafted like 20 revolvers trying to get it

[umbral harness]

Whats the best blessing for plasgun

The blessings descriptions don’t explain much

[narrow widget]

iirc gets hot + blaze away

[narrow widget]

shit i knew it was rising heat

[spark helm]

weird

[narrow widget]

[spark helm]

I feel like it might've been triggered by an indulgence I took during the run maybe but I wouldn't know.

I took whatever the one that made it so that your grenades give elemental dmg debuffs for dudes and after I got rescued at some point it just straight up wouldn't work.

[spark helm]

Which steam guide is this? Figure I ought to just review some things.

[narrow widget]

its probably path's

[hollow ibex]

yeah

it's not released yet

i just stitched together snippets he bestowed upon us undeserving plebs

the older version of the guide is in the pins though

and is still motsly up to date

[spark helm]

the hammer guide I'm guessing?

[hollow ibex]

yup

[umbral harness]

Thanks lemme bless plasgun rn

Wha does focuses cooling do

60% cooldown on crithit?

[tall torrent]

I use this

[umbral harness]

Bet thx people

[gentle lake]

dump stat on the shovel?

mob yeah?

[narrow widget]

yea

[gentle lake]

damn

[tall torrent]

Defences

[gentle lake]

Does defence just not do much

[tall torrent]

It’s not super relevant for this weapon specifically

[hollow ibex]

how much of an impact does dumping defense have on PA spam 🤔

[tall torrent]

0.4 stamina per push

1.4 vs 1.8

[hollow ibex]

guess that could be an issue if you're PA spamming

[narrow widget]

isnt shovel push attack the stab

[hollow ibex]

it's the overhead slash

the stab is the special

[narrow widget]

i see

[gentle lake]

Which mark should I use

I wanna use mark 1

cuz funny..

[hollow ibex]

mk1 is the best

[old cobalt]

What would yall say would be the best melee/ranged combo for just a nice, generalist veteran?

[narrow widget]

bolter power sword trust trust trust

[formal ice]

I hate every melee on Veteran

[primal zealot]

recon and toothpick

[old cobalt]

I was thinking Recon/Vraks or Heavy Las Pistol and Tooth Pick/Power Sword?

[hollow ibex]

power sword or rashad for melee

gun of your choice

toothpick lacks horde clear

though obv very very strong still

[primal zealot]

yea but you got shout n grenades for that

[old cobalt]

i want to use the chainsword but i hear it is

dookie

[hollow ibex]

it can work with specific builds but it's not good rn

[primal zealot]

yea it is

[old cobalt]

what about axe?

[narrow widget]

it depends on the difficulty you want to play at

[primal zealot]

theyre ok

[hollow ibex]

rashad combat axe and tac axe mk7 are very good

rashad's prob vet's #2 melee

[narrow widget]

it's perfectly serviceable like auric and below

[narrow frost]

Whuh

[primal zealot]

tbh id say go with toothpick or pee sword if youre unsure of yourself

[hollow ibex]

psword requires more practice to play

[narrow widget]

vro anything works auric and below

[hollow ibex]

rashad is just a brain off destroy everything all-rounder

[narrow frost]

I misread, mb

[old cobalt]

okay am i

stupid or

how tf is rashad an all rounder

when it's combos are exclusively strikedown

[narrow widget]

spam lights into hordes and heavies into elites

[old cobalt]

how does it have more horde clear than toothpick?

[narrow frost]

BM

[narrow widget]

because it has brutal momentum

[narrow frost]

DS has the worst horde clear in the game iirc

[narrow widget]

the knoife in question

[old cobalt]

so if I wanted to try Rashad

BM + What

[narrow widget]

headtaker

[old cobalt]

BM + Headtaker?

[hollow ibex]

yes

[old cobalt]

ill try that then; and then is the Las Pistol solid for an all rounder wep?

When I was using it while leveling it seemed generally moderately effective against anything with a pulse

[hollow ibex]

casually clearing 50 bruisers

[hollow ibex]

caxe is night and day without brumentum

if you don't have brumentum, or if you do but fail to meet breakpoints

it's fucking trash

if you do have brumentum and meet breakpoints, it's god tier

[old cobalt]

I meant las pistol with this

[hollow ibex]

oh laspis

yeah laspis is good

can't go wrong

[old cobalt]

yeah it seems like "Ol' reliable"

Unarmored, flak, carapice, does deece damagae against all

at least it seems like it

[narrow widget]

not a fan of how it makes my poor fingers feel after using it

[old cobalt]

at least its not the IIIa club

Okay, so current goal with vet

get Combat Axe + Las Pistol mastery to 20

get BM on C-Axe

[hollow ibex]

you only need tier 1 brumentum on caxe tbh

though obviously doesn't hurt to get higher tiers once you have it

[old cobalt]

already putting it on

i take it best CA Dump is Mobility?

[hollow ibex]

yup

[old cobalt]

rip

i thought i had a perfect combat axe

but its a 60 mobility tac axe

not a 60 movility c axe

Good perks for CA?

[neon current]

HT BM

[old cobalt]

perks

not blessings

[neon current]

ah, I believe you need carapace for BP

it should be in the pinned guide anyhow

[old cobalt]

I just realized

every wep in my inv on veteran has a min of 78% mobility

im gonna cry

[unreal marsh]

what weapons besides krack nade can kill crushers in 2 shots

[hollow ibex]

helbore

revolver

power sword

shovel mk3/mk7 prob

maybe duelling sword?

[austere mica]

Bolt pistol

It can 1 tap

[unreal marsh]

whats the build for that

[austere mica]

Goofy

And not useful

I don't think I have it anymore

[hollow ibex]

i'm guessing it involves 15 stacks off mmf

[austere mica]

Only 10

You just need the rending, not the damage

Otherwise it's just mmf and exe stance

[hollow ibex]

lol ic

[stable socket]

with precog + uncanny i think ds can oneshot auric crushers on crit, probably not in havoc though

[tame lodge]

Rashad

Tactical Axe

[azure narwhal]

Does the plasma on vet need the exact dump stats as stated in guides, or is there a margin of tolerance in thermal resist and charge rate

[hollow ibex]

the dump stats listed are estimates anyway

because the exact perfect stat is a decimal of some sort

i run 70/70, it doesn't matter

[azure narwhal]

Ah neat, thanks. Best i got now is 60 charge rate so i'll reroll. One more thing

I know the shovel is not the best but regardless i want to make a build for it

Thing is

Why do people tend to put the mk3 last?

With its heavy strikedown i'd think it best

[hollow ibex]

really bad horde clear

[azure narwhal]

Since well, it actually does something against carapace and decent against flak

Albeit not amazing

I see

[hollow ibex]

if you want somethign that shreds crushers, might as well just use power sword or DS

[azure narwhal]

Oh no yeah that's the thing

I have all those but

This build will be shovel specific

So, mk2?

I believe that one has better horde clear while still having the head fold

[hollow ibex]

mk7 if you want folding

though best is still the original, mk1

[azure narwhal]

Must have forgotten the names then lol

Blue one should be mk7

Mk1 the wooden basic one yeah

That has really good horde clear but, nothing against crushers and the like

So, i guess i'll bring a bolter

[hollow ibex]

it actually does ok against crushers

but you need to spam PA

[azure narwhal]

Oh really?

Unaware

[hollow ibex]

i think i do PA L to sustain stamina

it's not amazing but it'll keep you alive

[azure narwhal]

Good to know though thanks, i'll try once i'm home

[hollow ibex]

and i take it with kraks

for crusher and bulwark blobs

and bosses

because shovel suffers against all of those lol

[azure narwhal]

Real unfortunate that the strikedown is the worst, the green matches my cadian 🥲

Yeah

[hollow ibex]

mk7 with the strikedown is ok

[azure narwhal]

Lemme see

Ah i remember this one

Hmmm

I'll try all 3 regardless but good starting point here

Thanks

[pseudo fiber]

MK1 shovel gang

[steep flower]

Worst shovel cause it gets you stuck in flip mode too long

[steep flower]

Uncanny strike

[steep flower]

Cause they don’t build it proper; skullcrusher & decimator and you’re set

[steep flower]

Its mk3
And no don’t listen to the idea of mk7 being best; its flip mode upon strike gets you stuck for long and you can’t cancel it in any way, can’t even dodge which is the main gripe - and since you will be fighting more than 1 guy you put yourself in danger everytime you use it.
If you wanna use the flip shovel use mk3;
Carapace & Flak
Decimator & Skullcrusher
You’ll see how potent it is once you try it

[azure narwhal]

Alright mate thanks, i'll give this a shot back home

[stable socket]

Possibly a dumb question, but when I tag something (e.g. a boss) with focus target it gains a yellow outline, and if an arbi tags the same thing to make their dog pounce the outline goes back to red. Is my focus target still on the enemy, or does it fall off and need to be reapplied? I feel like it's still there but am not sure how to tell

[pseudo fiber]

It is still on the enemy

[midnight wyvern]

it goes to their purple yea but if you're concerned it doesn't consume new stacks when you reping the target

so you can ping them again to make them yellow, overriding the colour change from arb doggo ping

but its still on regardless, they just need a way to have both on at the same time lol

its more visual clutter but I'd rather them have 2 different skulls on the top, one for each mark on an enemy than just turning off a colour mark to have another

or they should just make dog ping client side or something,

[steep flower]

Cut the coloring in half
OR
Implement icons above the head of a tagged boi stackable

[turbid ibex]

Or

Have the tagged enemies automatically implode so their tag cant be overrided

[midnight wyvern]

can just have the colours roll over them like an RGB keyboard

[pseudo fiber]

Every frame randomly pick a ping colour out of the stacked ones

[midnight wyvern]

lmao

[tame lodge]

So

This on mk7 will have better horde clear

Mk7> mk3

[steep flower]

It will cause heavies are identical to mk1
But flip is dogshit; and in general chaf ain’t the problem; its what comes with the chaf

The fact you cannot interrupt it by dodging away makes it dogshit + its time being stuck

In comparison to mk3

[normal sparrow]

can weapon swap if it kills
IF it kills

[steep flower]

Still a very long time on strike; thats its main issue really

Chain weapons had same problem years ago & they removed it from them

[normal sparrow]

its still terrible they just remove one of the jank

[mortal aspen]

man, vt2 bounty hunter is scratching that weapon specialist veteran itch

i can't decide which is more fun. vet is definitely a lot tankier tho

[pseudo fiber]

Gotta block my friend the U5 got arms of steel

[mortal aspen]

yeah, but bh has 120hp and no DR

well, the "weapon specialist" build has no DR, because the automatic reload is on the same row as DR

[south wolf]

Is it OK if someone sends me a good build that will help me survive damnation? Thanku

[steep flower]

Anything can work on that difficulty; all that really matters is skill

[tall torrent]

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[orchid hemlock]

I'll be real with you, no build is going to save you

[south wolf]

Rip, but thanku!

[orchid hemlock]

Gotta understand the fundamentals

This is kinda the rutt people who start this game get trapped in. They have no idea what to build, because everything seems equally terrible 😔

[gentle lake]

How should I use the Helbore

[orchid hemlock]

Ok so, you aim and fire

[gentle lake]

I like to stay at high ground

And sometimes avoid unequipping it

[gentle lake]

Okay but horde

[orchid hemlock]

Use melee

[tall torrent]

Melee

[orchid hemlock]

Actually the Helbore doesn't seem to play that differently to Plasma or Revolver

I see a specialist, I pull out my co...., and I start blasting

[tall torrent]

It’s more backline than those two

[gentle lake]

Yeah I'm thinking I should start yankin out the plassy

[gentle lake]

Is

Do I see eva

[gentle lake]

I can't lie I feel the most usin helbore the way I do

I do consistently hit heads and keep an eye out for the most annoying enemies

[tame lodge]

Classic

[gentle lake]

Namely the flame grenadier and trapper

[azure narwhal]

is it too far from what would be considered optimal for the dump stats? or should i keep this one

[tall torrent]

Yea it doesn’t get the optimal thermal stat

Optimal is 68-69%

If you’re low on resources just go for one with fully dumped thermal

[azure narwhal]

so, 68-69 for it and charge rate be the secondary dump

[gentle lake]

I think you can pull out helbore faster if you just aim immediately

[tall torrent]

Charge rate is not dump

[azure narwhal]

i mean like

how do i put this

2 stats will be inconsistent

thermal and charge rate

80 80 80 something something

these should be thermal and charge rate right?

[tall torrent]

Charge rate u want as high as possible because it makes prefire delay shorter

Thermal u specifically want 68-69% because going above doesn’t make your gun be able to shoot more until u have to vent

[azure narwhal]

i see

[tall torrent]

And going below means 1 less hipfire shot until vent starting from 0% heat (7 vs 8)

[azure narwhal]

makes sense yeah

[tall torrent]

This is one of the only 2 weapons that want a super specific distribution that actually matters

[azure narwhal]

well, thanks, here goes

2nd one is? out of curiosity really

[hollow ibex]

prob ripper shotguns

[tall torrent]

Ripper gun

[azure narwhal]

i see

down to 150k ordo dockets

i guess it's just not happening today

found a 60 thermal res though

good nough

[umbral scaffold]

So. I’ve never made a plasma gun vet before. Never even used the weapon!

Are there some builds anyone could suggest?

[ornate glen]

Depends. You want to use it as main weapon, or secondary? Which threats do you want to suppress with it?

[sudden cedar]

Luckily, the Plasma Gun does not care. You can just bodyshot everything and it dies.

Or so it seems to me sometimes with how Veterans use it. 🙂

[umbral scaffold]

Main weapon I’d say!

[narrow widget]

side weapon
just whip it out every now and then to snipe a special

[hollow ibex]

you should still aim for headshots just FYI

[sudden cedar]

Of course.

Iam exaggerating.

And don't forget to cry out for ammo every time you shoot something that did not need to be shot so everyone knows you need ammo.

That was a joke.

Be mindful what you shoot, Plasma Gun is ammo hungry

[willow prairie]

survivalist moment

[umbral scaffold]

Alright! I’ll be mindful. Is there any point of charged shots or single shots are fine?

[willow prairie]

no reason to use charged shot

[buoyant kettle]

Whats the best build for Veteran?

[hollow ibex]

It’s not like zealot where there’s a best build

But voice of command is the strongest ult

[narrow widget]

rest can be whatever but this is the most consistently good start to a build