#veteran-class

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hollow ibex
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don't worry, the weapon will put us on arbi level

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trust

faint beacon
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Dont get your hopes up

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I'm honestly hoping its a Sidegrade to PS where its less powerful than PS in clearing enemies (Literally shits on everything)

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but has better Mobility Stats

rough adder
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And I'll be 100% OK with that

hollow ibex
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i wouldn't be

faint beacon
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Honestly this might be why they're making the Power Saber

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for those who want the new system

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without removing Vets most powerful melee option

rough adder
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Psword is a poorly designed weapon that encourages a very backwards playstyle and stop the users from learning melee mechanics further

narrow frost
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How So?

rough adder
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But I don't think you need to worry because fatshark is never gonna nerf psword

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After the response to the last time they did it

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I can see a rework for it though

hollow ibex
pseudo fiber
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Rework to what?

hollow ibex
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i mean i agree the esign isn't good, but how does it stop users from learning melee mechanics

pseudo fiber
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the new weapon fills the relic blade on vet niche so the original can remain the way it is now

hollow ibex
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it's the exact opposite

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you need good melee fundamentals to make maximum use of psword

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and it'll force you to learn those fundamentals

rough adder
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Just make its mobility slightly better and the unpowered attack deals damage properly

hollow ibex
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i'd be ok with that

faint beacon
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even though I understand how PS plays and everything it is not my cup of tea

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It feels wrong to me, I dont know how to explain it even though it shits on everything

hollow ibex
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it's just jank af but strong af

void gyro
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constantly block cancelling charges is just tedious

faint beacon
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Thats probably why

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Jankiness is extremely off putting to me

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yet I float towards Tac Axe cause it feels fluid using

hollow ibex
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taxes are great

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wait

rough adder
# hollow ibex i mean i agree the esign isn't good, but how does it stop users from learning me...

OK I maybe have been too harsh, sorry I had a bad day.
I agree that to make full use of psword you have to be really good at melee fundamentals, but the issue is that powersword is a really poor weapon to learn fundementals with. The dodge cooldown is too long, and most of the time you would favor powered attack over pushing, this means two of the three pillars of melee combat for this weapon just just really clunky(I don't think most new players even know you can immediately chain powering up to block). This means there's a big fracture between the incredibly poor, cheap way to play it, and the most effecient way, and a lot of newer players will retreat to the former and just stay there.

hollow ibex
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forcing players to be more selective with dodges, and time their dodges better makes them better at melee

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notice how all the weapons that make people worse at melee

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have exceptional dodges

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like i said though, PS is jank af

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so it's not like i think it's well-designed

faint beacon
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so instead its forcing you to learn positioning in hordes

primal zealot
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all weapons and classes have the same dodge cd tho

hollow ibex
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yeah wouldn't really lump taxe into that

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thinking more of DS (obviously) and knife

faint beacon
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Taxe is

narrow frost
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IJ moment

faint beacon
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creeping into that territory

primal zealot
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ugh ok i forgot about ij

faint beacon
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but its not there cause of its "lackluster"

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damage

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Press M1 twice

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HEAVENS NO!

rough adder
primal zealot
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make powercycler have more swings

rough adder
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Or am I being knowledge checked here and psword just have slow dodge speed?

primal zealot
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that would fix it lol

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its the shitty dodge distance and low number of dodges

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also the steadily increasing enemy density over the years has made turning it on repeatedly feel much more tedious

rough adder
# hollow ibex forcing players to be more selective with dodges, and time their dodges better m...

Yes but you are saying that as someone who already knows the ins and outs of melee, new people who aren't even sure what dodges do probably won't think of that and will retreat back to the cheaper playstyle.
New player don't think "hold block and then power up, choose position properly to not get overwhelmed, dodge only when i need to, push attack + light follow up for carapace, when dealing with rager group, power-up preemptively so my first strike staggers for a follow up" etc, etc, they think "power, slash slash slash" repeat and when that doesn't work, die. And the problem is that it actually works most of the time and that's where the "stop learning" part comes.
But anyway I think i am missing the point here, because I realize now new psword user probably will not do that but instead just go use dueling sword, and "powersword forms bad habit" is just my pre-patch 13 stereotype coming back

junior grail
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I heard there's a new Update Trailer but nothing on News Bulletin?

rough adder
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Probably because it's just a teaser not a trailer

junior grail
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Ngl I rather have a teaser on news bulletin instead of pets (as cute as they may be)

pseudo fiber
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tis a trailer

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Also a new launcher image

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junior grail
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Oooo looks pretty

pseudo fiber
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also new vet weapon lol

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junior grail
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Is that an ENEMY PLASMA GUNNER??

junior grail
pseudo fiber
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yup

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Power Falchion

rough adder
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I never played falchion back in vermintide2 what was it like

junior grail
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Oooo I remember the faction in VT2, its fast and headshots well

pseudo fiber
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It was interesting
Very sticky

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not a ton of cleave

hollow ibex
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god helbore irons are truly so fucking trash. the actual firing point is HALFWAY DOWN THE FRONT POST.

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junior grail
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The falchion was like the Devil Claw sword but with added Power effect, could be fun

rough adder
hollow ibex
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ok well i guess it's just that skin

junior grail
hollow ibex
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oh not sure

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i'm just using the crosshair mod

fading yarrow
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Begs the question(s):

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Is this gonna be a third mark for the Power Sword or will it be its own weapon family

hollow ibex
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pretty sure it's a new weapon family

fading yarrow
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And since it's a power cutlass, will we be finally getting some real Commissar drip?

hollow ibex
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power sabre/falchion

tall torrent
rough adder
tall torrent
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powersword_p2_m1
powersword_p2_m2

p means new family
m means new variant

current veteran power swords are called powersword_p1_m1 (Mk III) and powersword_p1_m2 (Mk VI)

fading yarrow
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Fascinating

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Do the files contain anything else?

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... A hotshot, mmmmayhaps?

pseudo fiber
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There's a melta magzine in weapon customisation but that could be mean literally anything

fading yarrow
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Ten days...

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I hope we get more info ahead of release

void dragon
low oar
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All vet weapons removed
It's because vet was removed

tall torrent
willow prairie
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imagine being able to run bm with sunder fr fr

hollow ibex
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wdym

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you can

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just take both at once

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you might need to drop power cycler tho uwugryn

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feels pretty good when a brauto ES build

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outdamages a vet who was spraying his bolter in full auto all game

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and a rumblergryn

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while using less ammo than either of them

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agri brauto still isn't unsalvagable

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the other brautos tho...

willow prairie
willow prairie
hollow ibex
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also the vet had h40 clearance

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prob carried there based on the way he was playing tho

willow prairie
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tbf he have no melee damage because heavy sword

hollow ibex
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wut

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that's a choice

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hsword has fantastic horde clear still

serene bough
meager echo
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Crashing in mortis trial need to be fixed... I've just crashed at round 9 and can not reconnect. Feels bad man.

sonic pecan
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did they rework vet yet

mortal aspen
plain osprey
frank basin
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plasmama

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i love this game let me mods custom weapon

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in fantasy theme game

plain osprey
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If anyone wanna join me for my havoc grind, survey the Strike teams

midnight wyvern
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god emperor blesses me this day, just had 4 Daemonhosts in 1 mission

midnight wyvern
plain osprey
midnight wyvern
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rip

scenic solstice
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Need a combat knife build (krieg)

tame lodge
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Hold on hold on

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Veteran is holding a power falchion

muted valley
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The launcher for Darktide has a new image related to the new update and the Veteran reject holds something that looks like a combination of a sabre and a power sword.

NEW WEAPON CONFIRMED? NEW WEAPON, IT MUST BE!

I scream as they drag me into a padded room.

sudden cedar
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You are a bit late on that.

sly orchid
steep flower
steep flower
tame lodge
mortal aspen
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didn't know they gave Veteran psychic shield

tame lodge
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You just have to think really hard

grand perch
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first arby steals our show now psyker steals our exec stance

tame lodge
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Psyker also took Relic Blade

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And honestly

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[Lie] Way better user than zealot

rough adder
rough adder
frank basin
elder vessel
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crazy it took this long for a variant of power sword

tame lodge
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Power sword so good it didn't need a new variant

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The actual best part of a power falchion is the hand guard

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Which means you punch enemies with it on a push

mortal aspen
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do you think it'll be a mark or a separate weapon?

tame lodge
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Everything leads to believe it's a different weapon

turbid ibex
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separate

midnight wyvern
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for the entire game

turbid ibex
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in that case youre kinda fucked

midnight wyvern
turbid ibex
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bardin helldiver

midnight wyvern
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bardiver

hollow ibex
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Need to pay taxes first

midnight wyvern
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real

grand perch
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i included it for my brauto build (and the meme suppression node that is sort of useful here)

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midnight wyvern
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bardin skill tree

grand perch
umbral scaffold
summer mason
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the one mastery without a description

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tame lodge
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"Skin"

sudden cedar
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Out of three marks for the Dueling Sword, which one is considered the "worst"?

willow prairie
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mk5

hollow ibex
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funni dodges

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idk i don't use DS

willow prairie
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mk2 have it own problem but still infinitely more usable

sudden cedar
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@willow prairie Why the Mk5?

willow prairie
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light attack angle are bad and hard to hit weak point

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the heavy is worse and it don't even have cleave

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lower finesse multiplier for no reason

sudden cedar
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What is the issue on the MK2?

tame lodge
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None

willow prairie
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heavy 2 damage being ass

tame lodge
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Anyways mk5 doesn't have the stabs
So slightly lower single target damage (still pretty high)

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But has the best dodges in the game

willow prairie
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heavy 1 also does less damage for reason

tame lodge
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Wrong

willow prairie
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the light combo on mk2 is good though

tame lodge
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Fixed ages ago

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Mk2 is pretty much the best dueling sword

sudden cedar
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This is a rhetorical question now, because i already know the answer, but..

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What about blessings in general for Dueling Swords?

willow prairie
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uncanny

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mandatory

sudden cedar
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Not much of a surprise.

willow prairie
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then riposte for general use or agile for bossing

sudden cedar
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What about other blessings for that weapon?

willow prairie
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precog good if you're fighting exactly a single enemy ig

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thrust is fine

sudden cedar
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Just fine?

willow prairie
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yeah

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on ds

sudden cedar
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So, there's now Shred, Rampage and Relentless Strike left

tame lodge
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Agile is so ass

willow prairie
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only good for bossing

tame lodge
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No

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You can just stop dodging for 0.85 seconds

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Get all your dodges back

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And have a better blessing for bossing

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Like Precognition or Relentless

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So recommending agile for bossing is actually pretty bad advice

meager echo
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how do you ds into mix horde, just run away ?

hollow ibex
willow prairie
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light spam

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push attack

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or use your teammate

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probably the best option

tame lodge
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Heavy the dangerous target

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Lights the chaff horde

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Why are you running away with a DS

hollow ibex
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just dodge and stab shit in the face

tame lodge
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It's literally free kills on elites

hollow ibex
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using single target combos

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after the dangerous guys are dead, deal with the chaff

tame lodge
hollow ibex
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the incredible dodges makes it easy

tame lodge
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🛌

hollow ibex
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  • very fast single target ttk
meager echo
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I die everytime i get mixed horde xD.

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Can't kill fast enough

tame lodge
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Maybe because you're running away instead of practicing stand and fight

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Remember

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Practice makes perfect

turbid ibex
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Forget

willow prairie
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plus you have shout

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use nade also

meager echo
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yeah i kinda give up on ds

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just run ps

tame lodge
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🗣️

willow prairie
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ds not very fun to use tbf

midnight wyvern
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🥀

willow prairie
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or run weapon spec with ds

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attack speed gaming

hollow ibex
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i should try that

willow prairie
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or scrier gaze psyker

hollow ibex
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could be fun

meager echo
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doesnt gaze psyker just assail horde then ds elite ?

willow prairie
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people said ds was "balanced" on psyker lmao

hollow ibex
willow prairie
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no it isn't

tame lodge
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Not exactly

midnight wyvern
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im tempted to try FotF and marty with DS, break my mouse attack speed

hollow ibex
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it was balanced by psyker players being dogshit at melee uwugryn

hollow ibex
willow prairie
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go go gadget 30% damage boost 30% finesse bonus, 25% crit, 100% cleave

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scrier's glaze my beloved

hollow ibex
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most psyker player still fold the moment a poxxer stumbles within 5 meters of them

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though gunkers tend to be much better at the game

willow prairie
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well if you have to pull out your melee on normal psyker it either be the boss focusing on you or you're doing something wrong

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or your team suck ass and you have to clutch

hollow ibex
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psykers whenever they're forced to interact with normal game mechanics like every other class

willow prairie
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literally the most fun class in the game but ok

hollow ibex
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half of it is pretty fun thumbsup_ogryn

willow prairie
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simply don't die

turbid ibex
turbid ibex
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Its kinda funny how here in Brasil 9/11 is going to be a date for commemorations

sudden cedar
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Any other thoughts?

turbid ibex
sudden cedar
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I'd recommend saving your supposed funny jokes for someone else.

turbid ibex
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Its not even a joke

tame lodge
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That's why you see a lot of self reports by people that claims psyker is weak

sudden cedar
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How would Psyker be weak in their opinion?

tame lodge
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"Die too fast"

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Aka they are getting hit

hollow ibex
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hurr durr psyker is a glass cannon

tame lodge
meager echo
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psyker is just wierd. He's very unfun to learn, I want to practice purgatus in auric, everything kinda die before I even put dot on. In higher difficulty like havoc, everyone just enable psyker to be on staff 99% of the time.

orchid hemlock
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Yeah he's unfun to learn because it's too easy 💀

sudden cedar
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I get what you want to say.

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Psyker is indeed very unfun to learn because Psyker allows very little mistakes

meager echo
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the purgatus is just wierd man, weak as shiet in auric and stong af in havoc.

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like the density is not enough

orchid hemlock
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Purge staff is weak?

hollow ibex
meager echo
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weak in a sense like if you run into a gaze psyker, they prob get all the kill before you can do anything. That's my experience with him.

hollow ibex
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that just depends on how good the gaze psyker is

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purg is way easier to do well with

sudden cedar
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How good a weapon is, is not dependent on the difficulty. The general damage output of a weapon will remain the same. Its just that it can shine more on higher difficulties.

orchid hemlock
sudden cedar
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Like, a weapon A will do 200 damage in Auric just as well as in Havoc, that does not magically change.

meager echo
orchid hemlock
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I can clip it watch 😈

meager echo
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well if you get shotgun3 arbites in the teams I don't get to see anything lol

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haha

orchid hemlock
sudden cedar
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That is true.

willow prairie
sudden cedar
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I totally get what you want to say.

orchid hemlock
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Idk what to say, when I go vent Purge on Maels I just melt the screen off

meager echo
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don't get me wrong, in havoc psyker dealing the most dmg if we run into purple + orange

sudden cedar
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That is natural and shouldnt be a big surprise.

meager echo
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i mean in auric only

willow prairie
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purge is best on mael and up

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auric is so ass

sudden cedar
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How is Auric ass?

hollow ibex
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nah play it in auric HITSG

meager echo
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that why i find him very unfun to learn.

willow prairie
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literally the first moment i maxed out my psyker i just jump straight into h40

willow prairie
hollow ibex
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the density is so high that the infinite cleave just makes purg easy mode

hollow ibex
orchid hemlock
sudden cedar
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That does not help me in any way.

willow prairie
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being used to havoc is ass

sudden cedar
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@orchid hemlock Yeah i get it.

orchid hemlock
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I mean by that logic

Stealth Zealot is the best class in the game at lower difficulties 😈

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Speed running gameplay I'ma get to the leaderboards

willow prairie
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that literally 2 different thing

sudden cedar
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Purple Orange means that you have tougher enemies that will also heal each other. Naturally in this grindfest, a weapon like the Purgatus Staff will outdamage most others, because it can deal consistent damage throughout the entire match while being unrestrained from something like ammo or grenade charges.

meager echo
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I think arbites is the best in lower difficulties, you can not compete with shotgun3 horde spam

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just cant

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that shiet crazy

willow prairie
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yeah

meager echo
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unfun to paly with

willow prairie
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mk3 fall off hard in havoc though

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I used to pretty much only use mk3 exclusively

meager echo
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yeah it's fun as arbits

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but not fun when teamate play it

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xD

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unethical weapon in auric xD

sudden cedar
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The weapon itself is not unethical.

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The player is for abusing it to such a degree.

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A weapon is simply a tool.

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From observation, a lot of those Shotgun kills could be done in melee without any issue whatsoever.

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Sure it will shine in stacked packs of elites, but so will any weapon that works in a similar way.

meager echo
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the only thing i think could compete with shotgun3 arbites is assail gaze psyker

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with the qc assail

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in auric tho

sudden cedar
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If it is any comfort to you, most Arbitrators are just really bad and haven't been humiliated yet.

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They just get carried by their dog.

willow prairie
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mk3 literally have no weakness in auric lol

sudden cedar
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Carapace.

willow prairie
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amazing cleave
high mpc
good spread pattern
good ammo economy

willow prairie
mortal aspen
willow prairie
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most arby melee is good at armored

sudden cedar
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what is ASM now?

willow prairie
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arby maul

sudden cedar
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@mortal aspen True that. Although weakspot damage is still very dangerous.

meager echo
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bro if arbi run maul, carapace just turn blue and dancing xD

sudden cedar
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Arbites Shock Maul, got it.

willow prairie
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epilepsy build

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but other work fine also

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combat axe, crusher

sudden cedar
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The point is, "does MK3 Arbites Shotgun have a weakness?"

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Citing "you have ASM for carapace" is evading the question and fact.

willow prairie
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quite literally bis in auric

sudden cedar
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Carapace is the weakness.

ember nest
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FINALLY NEW PLASMA GUN!!!!

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what if we shared cleave stats in the mortis trials 👉 👈

sudden cedar
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Every weapon with infinite cleave?

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🤔

ember nest
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infinite cleave iLas....

sudden cedar
ember nest
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"In the newest update, we decided that Vets were in such a state that we could just make them an NPC. But instead of a summon, you will fight them. Please look forwards to it."

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"Anyways I know you guys have been waiting for like 8 ranged weapons but here's a sword."

sudden cedar
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How much copium have you huffed so far?

ember nest
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I wish I was huffing it at all

sudden cedar
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Damn.

ember nest
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maybe I'd have fucking hope

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😭

sudden cedar
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Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

hollow ibex
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what's one of those loading screen quotes

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hope bad

ember nest
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"hope is for queers"

  • the emperor
willow prairie
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me and your mom

ember nest
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my mom had hope

tame lodge
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I was expecting a melee

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It's pretty good day

ember nest
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yeah well you're pink

tame lodge
unreal forge
tame lodge
willow prairie
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fym range

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shit have some of highest mpc

tame lodge
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#vetneedsmoremelee

willow prairie
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vet need to get pregnant

unreal forge
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doesn't make it that much better at range against anything but snipers

ember nest
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whats PMC

unreal forge
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minimum pellet count

sudden cedar
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Why ask for more ranged when the Plasma Gun exists?

unreal forge
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past a certain distance if one shotgun pellet connects then it'll count as a minimum number of pellets for damage purposes

ember nest
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because the large blue revolver is boring idc if that's bait

tropic notch
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Plasma I sleep

ember nest
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I want a volleygun

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I want to hold the triugger

tropic notch
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Dbarrel my beloved

sudden cedar
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Fuck yeah, Double Barrel.

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Blow brains out!

tropic notch
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Is the only thing I run anymore on vet

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It’s just so good

unreal forge
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try actually killing any flak enemy from a distance beyond 20m with the mk3 exterminator and it'll take most of the magazine through headshots, +flak perk and damage amplification still

willow prairie
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double barrel doubl disappointment fr

tropic notch
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He doesn’t know

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No hope

mortal aspen
sudden cedar
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Not gonna lie, opening up a Bulwark and blasting it with a Double Barrel is just..

unreal forge
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(it lives (

sly orchid
tropic notch
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It’s probably the best weapon to use with ws

sly orchid
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double barrel is cracked

willow prairie
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zero damage outside breathing distance

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even combat shotgun not this bad

tropic notch
unreal forge
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glorified melee weapon

willow prairie
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yeah he is iirc

unreal forge
tropic notch
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Uh huh

tropic notch
unreal forge
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doesn't matter how you build the double barrel

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it's a melee weapon with bullets

sly orchid
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(he doesnt know)

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double barrel with its massive hordeclear

sudden cedar
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Iam confused now.

sly orchid
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soulblaze double barrel is also very funny

sudden cedar
unreal forge
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I know about the bleed exploit but I don't really believe it's an intended mechanic

tropic notch
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Me when mixed horde

sudden cedar
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Bleed Exploit?

tropic notch
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Buffs bleed

ember nest
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what is bleed exploit

sudden cedar
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How would that work?

tropic notch
ember nest
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how would that be an exploit

sly orchid
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uncanny stacks still work on wapon swap?

tropic notch
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It’s a self buff

tame lodge
sudden cedar
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Iam curious, how would Zealot not have good toughness generation?

sly orchid
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if your cooked at the game

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zealot has second wind alone

tame lodge
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"Exploit"

Intended mechanic

sly orchid
tropic notch
tame lodge
sudden cedar
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@sly orchid That is not really an answer, in my opinion.

tame lodge
sly orchid
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Zealot has good toughness regain

tropic notch
sudden cedar
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I am asking how would Zealot not have good toughness generation, not what do they have.

tropic notch
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And oggy

sudden cedar
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Fine.

tropic notch
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And it’s only ONE talent

sudden cedar
#

@unreal forge How would Zealot not have good toughness generation, since you are apparently someone who said that.

unreal forge
#

zealot is pretty much carried by second wind and abilities for consistent toughness generation

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otherwise he's the only class that has to constantly melee kill to get toughness back

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he used to have that one talent that generated toughness by 5% a second when enemies were close but they nerfed that one by half, and it's on the bad side of the tree already lol

sudden cedar
#

I can get behind that argumentation.

hollow ibex
#

"zealot is pretty much carried by one of the best toughness regen talents in the game"

sudden cedar
#

And i agree with that.

unreal forge
#

second wind is not one of the best, not even close

#

actually quite far

sudden cedar
#

What would be the best then, in your opinion?

unreal forge
#

confirmed kill on the vet tree alone is better than second wind

sudden cedar
#

I can see that.

unreal forge
#

and then you also have the 5% toughness regeneration talent as long as you don't get hit by a melee attack

sudden cedar
#

Toughness generation for every special kill was it?

unreal forge
#

and elite

sudden cedar
#

Right

hollow ibex
#

most of vet's toughness regen is dependent on kills

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zealot just needs to press the space bar

unreal forge
#

uh no

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vet can just stay far away and he'll regen 5% a second

sudden cedar
#

Catch a breath or something

mighty willow
hollow ibex
unreal forge
#

and he can just shoot at enemies simultaneously and he'll regenerate more toughness than second wind will

hollow ibex
#

whereas all zealot builds should be taking second wind

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or they fucked up

unreal forge
#

zealot can't even get more than like 4% toughness on a ranged kill lmoa

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and that's also on the bad side of the tree

sudden cedar
#

Which does not even work on Immolation Grenades.

hollow ibex
#

that's because they get their toughness elsewhere 🤦‍♂️

tame lodge
hollow ibex
#

not on ranged kills

tame lodge
#

Suppressive Fire or whatever the name?

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Doesn't work on vet

unreal forge
hollow ibex
#

god forbid the hybrid class get more toughness on ranged kills than the MELEE class

tame lodge
unreal forge
tame lodge
#

Lol

hollow ibex
#

goalpost hasn't moved

tropic notch
mighty willow
tame lodge
#

Bro said can't even get more than 4 when Zealot can get 6

hollow ibex
#

proc conditions for toughness regen is one of the fundamental aspects of considering how toughness regen works

tame lodge
tropic notch
unreal forge
tame lodge
sudden cedar
#

I agree with Raiva to a certain degree.

unreal forge
#

Jesus Christ it's actually incredible how clueless you guys are

tame lodge
#

No

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I'm asking about your sentence

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"shoot enemies simultaneously"

tropic notch
tame lodge
#

And you're not answering that

unreal forge
#

you haven't made it clear what I have to answer

tame lodge
#

So you just goal post away from it huh

unreal forge
#

????

#

I just don't understand your question

#

why are you so weird?

tame lodge
#

Unrelated question

#

Plz don't move the goal

hollow ibex
#

everytime i see raiva talking, he's always arguing with someone KEKW_ogryn

tame lodge
#

🛌

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And is always wrong as well

unreal forge
#

You can't win the argument so you resort to poor attempts at trolling.

tropic notch
tame lodge
#

Says the goal mover

unreal forge
#

I accept your concession.

tame lodge
mighty willow
#

And classes

sudden cedar
#

Arguments and discussions are good.

tame lodge
#

2k hours

#

Code diving

hollow ibex
#

perfectionist has L takes about tac axes and lacerate, but otherwise, i never argue with him

mighty willow
hollow ibex
tame lodge
#

Discussion with people that knows more about .lua

sudden cedar
#

How does this not lead somewhere?

tame lodge
sudden cedar
#

All you said was what options Zealot has to regen toughness.

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Not how they supposedly not have any good toughness regen.

#

Raiva was quite clear on that.

mighty willow
mighty willow
sudden cedar
#

@mighty willow Should have been more precise in describing who i meant, my bad.

mighty willow
tropic notch
sudden cedar
#

Now we are getting somewhere.

tropic notch
#

There is a reason why we call it “the build™️”

mighty willow
tropic notch
#

It’s the one of the best nodes for toughness in the game

tropic notch
mighty willow
#

I'm one of the masochists who enjoy martydom

tame lodge
#

Martyrdom is goated like that

tropic notch
#

That’s an exception to that pic

#

And how to build non crit

sudden cedar
#

I mean yes it works on everything, but it is not passive toughness generation through kills.

#

Veteran can just stack that up with Elite and Special kills.

#

Of course, it is tailored to the role and playstile of the Zealot, which is mostly melee.

tame lodge
#

Or you can just dodge twice

sudden cedar
#

True enough, but it requires something to dodge.

mighty willow
tame lodge
unreal forge
#

If perfect dodges worked as intended perfectly always, but they don't

tame lodge
unreal forge
# tame lodge

"now what" now you still have this whether you have something to kill or not lol

IMG_20250914_134517.jpg
sudden cedar
#

@tame lodge Also true.

unreal forge
#

But the fact of the matter is that killing elites and specialists will also stack regenerating toughness over 20 seconds, stacking infinitely

tame lodge
#

Dodging is infinite

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Just dodge lol

unreal forge
#

The moment you have to face many gunners second wind isn't gonna do much

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Go hide behind cover, hoping enemies will come to you so you can kill them for your toughness. Meanwhile Veteran can facetank the gunners while shooting them and gaining toughness from that.

tame lodge
#

Because Zealot can't press one button and be immune to ranged

unreal forge
#

It's still undeniable that both of those are better than second wind

mighty willow
#

I thought the whole point was vet sucked at hordes but was good with speclialists sniping, and zealot was good at hordes but bad with elites and specialists

tame lodge
#

Zealot is good at everything

sudden cedar
#

I wouldn't say they are better, they are certainly different tho.

tame lodge
#

There's a reason we say that zealot does zealot things

mighty willow
sudden cedar
#

Knifes are not required. Helpful, but not required.

unreal forge
#

Perfect dodges aren't perfect either. Darktide is weird about what counts and what doesn't count as a perfect dodge

mighty willow
#

I usually use revolver, flamer or boltgun on 'em

tame lodge
#

Do you have any other video?

unreal forge
#

That one proves my point, I don't need another

tame lodge
#

You do

unreal forge
#

I really don't. You see everything you need to know with that one

sudden cedar
#

I agree.

tame lodge
#

There's a reason we test things for a reasonable amount of hours

sudden cedar
#

Multiple dodges but only 1 triggered perks.

unreal forge
#

If I was a Veteran in that video I would have regenerated 45% of my toughness by the time it ended

narrow frost
#

You were a target of a melee attack

sudden cedar
#

Iam not sure.

willow prairie
#

on god this is the worst havoc team ive played with

unreal forge
#

If perfect dodges worked properly a Zealot would have regenerated 60%, but only one worked, so 15%

sudden cedar
#

You were a target of a melee attack

willow prairie
#

mfs playing like it auric

narrow frost
willow prairie
#

no attention span

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i mean my team

sudden cedar
#

If it would say "not being hit in melee" i would agree.

#

But you got targeted.

willow prairie
#

the vet have med when our entire team low

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and mfs died before dropping it

#

iam malding

unreal forge
#

saving it for next game

#

he probably forgot he had it xd

willow prairie
#

also blind when i was like chorus to rev

sudden cedar
#

Someone has to supply the Mourningstar Psykanium.

willow prairie
#

i literally pinged like 12 time

#

actually rage inducing

#

mfs be doing anything but reviving when i spend my chorus

unreal forge
sudden cedar
#

@unreal forge You tested it?

tropic notch
unreal forge
#

that's how I recall it working and from googling people say that's how it works too

willow prairie
#

real

tropic notch
sudden cedar
#

@unreal forge But have you tested it? I won't say, i will not believe you until you have, but it would be interesting to know for sure.

mortal aspen
unreal forge
sudden cedar
#

Very well.

mortal aspen
#

i believe that's a trusted source (kuli's guide)

willow prairie
#

😭

fallen sparrow
#

clip broken i think

sudden cedar
#

Very unfortunate, but a simple case of not paying attention.

#

What Havoc Level was that?

willow prairie
#

40

sudden cedar
#

Shouldn't be surprised.

meager echo
#

God i hate orange more than anything, i rather have purple or red.

willow prairie
#

im surprised because its 40

sudden cedar
#

Careful what you wish for.

tropic notch
unreal forge
#

is this havock

willow prairie
unreal forge
willow prairie
#

i was thinking the vet doing it since that would be safest option there

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so i didnt rev and chorus

#

we were getting crusher pack too

unreal forge
#

I remember losing a few ranks when climbing because myself or teammates would get dc'd

sudden cedar
#

🙂

tame lodge
sudden cedar
#

@tame lodge I have my own opinions and i can see the value in points that are valid.

#

Even if someone is fundamentally wrong, they still have some sort of insight, no matter what.

tame lodge
#

Yeah except

sudden cedar
#

It certainly is better trying to understand the point of someone else than just making jokes or attempts at trolling.

tame lodge
#

Every dodge

#

A proc

#

So yeah

#

He needs more videos

hollow ibex
sudden cedar
#

Even it if it is trash, insight is insight.

#

What matters is what you make of it.

hollow ibex
sudden cedar
#

And now we can question as to why the Arbitrator perk only seemed to procc of one dodge.

tame lodge
#

No no

#

Now we need to say that zealot second wind sucks

#

Because it works

#

💀

sudden cedar
tame lodge
#

Don't worry about it

sudden cedar
#

Would be wasted effort anyway i reckon

tame lodge
mortal aspen
#

i swear this shit does not work 80% of the time vs ranged

tropic notch
tropic notch
hot crag
#

Any chance we're getting any veteran tweaks in this 23rd September update? They showed that scab with plasma gun, it instantly reminded me of vet

steep flower
sudden cedar
#

There might be a non-zero chance. As always.

tame lodge
sudden cedar
#

For now we only really know "Something is coming"

hot crag
steep flower
#

If power falchion is gonna be just like PS its gonna be a dogshit update
If just like relic blade its gonna be anazing cause you’ll be able to choose between the 2

hollow ibex
#

i assume it'll ahve to be like rb

tame lodge
#

Data mined one like that a while ago

willow prairie
#

cooked

20250915010348_1.jpg
midnight wyvern
#

is there a preference between the 2 PS marks? any reason to use either over the other?

tame lodge
#

Mk6 is the preferred

#

It's slightly/considerably better than mk3

mighty willow
#

Wide sweeps and a poke for the bash

midnight wyvern
faint beacon
#

Besides I think they’re introducing it as a way for Vet to have a modern Power weapon without removing their best melees function

#

Either that or they’ll actually make it more mobile/defensive

tame lodge
#

One mk is probably st adjacent

#

The other is horde adjacent

#

Like RB

faint beacon
#

What I’m thinking

tame lodge
faint beacon
#

That’s the usual 2 Mk system now

#

More single target focused or more horde focused

tame lodge
#

No more middle siblings

faint beacon
#

Middle sibling either being objectively the best

#

Or abysmal dogshit

mortal aspen
#

if only the new weapon came with a tweaked skill tree

#

just add some connectors between nodes fatshark

sudden cedar
#

@faint beacon If that thing has been datamined, will only the veteran have access to it?

sly orchid
#

Why would any other class get a powersword

sudden cedar
#

That is not an answer to my question.

sly orchid
mortal aspen
sudden cedar
#

Fine.

#

Apparently it is too difficult to say "No"

faint beacon
#

But I’d assume no

sudden cedar
#

Thank you for the answer.

#

Everyone else seems to be only capable of trolling.

faint beacon
#

Seeing that everyone has gotten their class exclusive weapon and Vet still hasn’t till well

#

Possibly the 23rd

#

It’s not too brash to assume

sudden cedar
#

Well they do have a class exclusive weapon, but i guess you mean "new"

#

As in Relic Blade, Force Greatsword, Twin-Linked Heavy Stubber

midnight wyvern
#

vet has multiple

#

lol

faint beacon
#

Tbf everyone has multiple

#

Vet hasn’t had anything new for now a year

#

Year+ if you ignore the itemization update

sly orchid
turbid ibex
#

that one should be for ogryn

faint beacon
#

That’s a very guard thing

#

Honestly no it

#

Probably would be shared

#

Between Arby and Vet

turbid ibex
#

giving it to ogryn would be funnier tho

midnight wyvern
#

ogryn wants to punch things

#

give them punch

sly orchid
#

no ogryn will not get a powerfist

midnight wyvern
#

no shit

#

but it should

turbid ibex
#

then give him some brass knuckles

mighty willow
midnight wyvern
#

I want to pull a crushers head off like the finisher in Sm2

narrow frost
#

you can with DN

midnight wyvern
narrow frost
#

I already got coal

crimson pebble
narrow frost
#

yeah

#

on #6 rn

turbid ibex
#

whats dn

midnight wyvern
narrow frost
#

deez nuts

crimson pebble
#

evil

midnight wyvern
#

lmao

tame lodge
#

Gotten

mortal aspen
crimson pebble
turbid ibex
mighty willow
#

Laspistol, how do i make most off of it?

#

in Veteran

sly orchid
midnight wyvern
tame lodge
midnight wyvern
#

take shock trooper in tree

#

and weakspot damage

#

kinda just

#

las gun things

tame lodge
#

Then either
Dumdum Ghost
Dumdum Infernus
Dumdum Desperado

mighty willow
grand perch
turbid ibex
faint beacon
hybrid plover
faint beacon
#

Now at 7

hybrid plover
#

it's been datamined for a while already

faint beacon
#

Ainz I’m going to kill you

hybrid plover
#

it's just a matter of whether it's general performance with that in mind ends up making it worth using compared to the actual power sword

steep flower
steep flower
turbid ibex
#

i hope it will be like the shovels

faint beacon
#

But still be good

#

But it’s off state also be reliable

hybrid plover
#

since the relic blade already has that sort of correlation with power sword as is

#

my question really is

#

will it be a pure heavy hitter or given it looks pretty short, will it be a more mobile weapon

#

because I'd be more down for the latter outcome

turbid ibex
#

probably more mobile

tall torrent
#

Slightly lower dps than power sword when activated
Actually usable unactivated state
Equally good stagger breakpoints
Better dodge stats
Good blessings

If they can make it have all of these I’ll be happy

narrow frost
#

1

hybrid plover
#

I recall the falchion in vermintide being pretty snappy

tall torrent
#

But I doubt

narrow frost
#

give or take

hybrid plover
#

so

narrow frost
turbid ibex
faint beacon
#

It’s FS

#

I know there’s something going on

tall torrent
#

What’s interesting is that:

auto_vent_delay = 1
vent_duration = 3

turbid ibex
#

the twist will be on your balls

#

get ready for testicular torsion

tall torrent
#

This is significantly lower than relic blade’s?

serene bough
#

Its a powered weapon im sure it'll be fine

hollow ibex
tall torrent
serene bough
#

I forgot shock maul existed

#

Fair point

hybrid plover
faint beacon
#

Exactly LMAO

hybrid plover
#

I'm going to nbe

#

Cautiously optimistic

#

At most.

tall torrent
#

Zero optimism from me

#

I kinda just know it prob will be a straight up worse power sword

willow prairie
#

zealot stay losing

serene bough
#

Ill be optimistic

#

Ignorance is strength

#

🙂

tame lodge
#

Devastating Strike but no riposte or shred

tall torrent
tame lodge
#

Yeah like

#

Confident Strike

#

Not even trauma bruh

tall torrent
faint beacon
#

I don’t think it will have BM

tame lodge
#

Shield heavy sweep already staggers crushers so why Hammerblow

faint beacon
#

Sunder?

tall torrent
#

At least sunder

faint beacon
#

Maybe

tall torrent
#

Or perfect strike

turbid ibex
#

sunduh

#

sundae

tall torrent
#

But perfect strike needs crit

turbid ibex
#

hmmm

#

damn i want some ice cream now

tall torrent
#

Man I wish relic blade had perfect strike it’d be so good

tame lodge
#

Perfect strike and chained deathblow

#

Oooh

#

Bladed Momentum

faint beacon
#

BM has been the problematic child blessing for ages I doubt they’ll give it to new weapons

hybrid plover
#

Counterattack, Lighning Reflexes, High Voltage, Opportunist

those are all actually pretty good blessings, two of those specifically because of shmaul's function as a shield weapon

tall torrent
#

BM is genuinely not hard to balance idk why they still haven’t done it

tame lodge
#

Counterattack and LR

#

🛌

tall torrent
#

Buff combat axe cleave
Change BM to only 1 proc (up to 2 targets)
Change deathblow to 2 procs (up to 3 targets)

#

Literally it’s that simple

hybrid plover
tame lodge
#

Sorry

#

Just staggered everything

#

Because I have shield+15 impact nodes

hybrid plover
#

you don't even need that much impact with shield

tame lodge
#

Who's attacking me when everything is staggered

sly orchid
tame lodge
#

That's right

#

No one

#

Counterattack LR

#

🛌

hybrid plover
#

That just sounds boring

faint beacon
sly orchid
#

perfect strike wouldve been so cool on relic blade

faint beacon
#

It’s much needed

#

Cause the stranglehold BM + HT has is depressing

tall torrent
#

just straight up give it like minimum 6 cleave

faint beacon
#

Buffing an already good melee is why

tall torrent
#

on light sweep

faint beacon
#

Decapitator Value???

tall torrent
#

decapitator is still ass

hybrid plover
faint beacon
#

It’ll remain ass till it’s cleave gets changed I won’t lie

mortal aspen
tall torrent
tame lodge
faint beacon
#

Without it

#

C tier at best

tall torrent
#

decapitator is headtaker but worse in every way

faint beacon
#

A world where you can run both though

#

Fuck am I saying it’ll be Deci HT

#

Lmao

mortal aspen
tall torrent
# faint beacon BM makes it an S tier

I don't even think BM is as broken as people are calling it with how the game is balancing towards havoc + BM is pretty much useless if u need >2 hits to kill

hybrid plover
#

But it doesn't in Havoc

tall torrent
#

the best case for BM being broken is like
1 tap shotgunner
which only happens up to auric and needs conditional buffs for most of the weapons that have BM

#

even in auric vs rager trio u likely will not get any notable BM value until near the end when everything u fight is low hp

sly orchid
#

the fact that agile was considered in the first place for relic blade is hilarious

tall torrent
#

it's literally just a horde clear blessing and a blessing tax for combat axe

sly orchid
#

chained deathblow on relic blade

#

combined with perfect strike

mortal aspen
#

the low cleave on axes I feel was taken from vt2

tame lodge
#

CD Cranial Ground

mortal aspen
#

and then they slapped a blessing to "fix" it

sly orchid
#

deathblow on relic blade wouldve also been cool

faint beacon
tame lodge
#

Yeah

#

99% of Axes on vt2 are garbage

tall torrent
#

FS hates axes so much it's crazy

mortal aspen
#

real asrai gigachads use Elven Axe

sly orchid
#

ff16 is goddamn 150 gigs

#

crazy work

faint beacon
#

Combat axes are cool I just wish they never had no cleave to begin with

willow prairie
#

aaa game bloat

faint beacon
#

Arby unironically making the Achlys feel fun to use

#

Crazy shit

willow prairie
#

just no lol

tame lodge
#

Achlys axe always feel fun to use

#

(with BM)

tall torrent
#

achlys axe always ass

hybrid plover
#

you could give them a twig and they'll make it work

tame lodge
#

Less than 0.1 cleave

mortal aspen
#

Psyker should have a warpfire torch weapon

#

or maybe zealot

tame lodge
#

Actual

#

Incenser + Flail

sly orchid
#

chain flail

tame lodge
#

Hit someone in the head with this

turbid ibex
#

plague dead by daylight

tame lodge
#

💀

#

Chaplain I frew up

turbid ibex
#

(disclaimer i do not play dbd nor will i ever do it)

willow prairie
#

yeah good decision

unreal forge
meager echo
#

The worst thing about BM is when you have teammates that do stagger attacks and you cant hit more than 1 enemy at a time.

hybrid plover
turbid ibex
#

Jane Darktide...

#

noooo

tame lodge
#

Can't have good teammates

#

Can't have bad teammates

narrow frost
#

the best thing to have is no teammates

tame lodge
#

Except for me

#

Solo mode is boring

orchid hemlock
turbid ibex
#

molo sode

heavy rover
#

Oh shit moebian 21st is back on rotation

tame lodge
#

Ok havoc might be back

faint beacon
#

Havoc might be peak again?

abstract hamlet
#

Hello friends. Anyone know who the voice actor is for the male veteran whose voice of command occasionally screams “GIVE ‘EM THE OLD KASKRKIN DOUBLE TAP”? I can’t find on IMDb.

austere mica
tall torrent
spice shard
fallen sparrow
#

finding out why helbore is the goto for havoc

tame lodge
#

Don't forget surgical