veteran-class

[tropic notch]

Learn the basics of the game then play it

In my opinion I’d play zealot to learn the basics

[native ocean]

No, play it for the dogless build

[tepid otter]

Ive been playing vet since i started

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[native ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1097092814006931557/1383049938270687242/one-eye-cat.gif

[novel saddle]

Eye of Rah

[scenic solstice]

what stat should i dump for helbore lasgun

[tame lodge]

Stability

Weapon so stable it summons horses

[unreal nova]

Just play it like playing vet. You feel undying.

[native ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-dandelion-cat-silly-kitty-she-was-a-fairy-gif-14702056371420778419

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Screw that cat

[junior grail]

Ok unzips

[native ocean]

Chat can we kill this guy

[steep flower]

Man i just noticed typing on phone with fat fingers

[sudden cedar]

@grand perch Most Arbitrators are being overshadowed by their dog anyway.

[nocturne mulch]

Execution Stance + Marksmans Focus + Helbore Lasgun

[remote sonnet]

Aby is nothing special without the dog.

The dog is a 0.75 of a player.

[plain jungle]

I can't get a grip on how to play Vet. So far Ogryn, Zealot and even Psyker seemed easier in havoc

[tame lodge]

I avoided saying fuck that cat for a reason

[tame lodge]

Fair and quite accurate assessment

[tidal mantle]

anyone got a helbore lasgun shovel build?

[unreal nova]

Friend chimkin is still nice. They are cuddly.

[midnight wyvern]

shout and then you follow that with shout again

[grand perch]

Ordered some food and got Blammed

Commissar class confirmed

[steep flower]

If the player is average that is

[steep flower]

This is what i would use for mk IIIa & shovel

[steep flower]

I can coach you if you want

[plain jungle]

Thanks for the offer, but it's part of the fun doing it yourself. Plus Im afraid I'd get annoyed being told what to do (at least that's how I feel when randoms start spitting complaints and coaching). I do appreciate the tips and corrections tho

I've switched my talents to lean more on a ranged side rather than melee and it's going somewhat better now

[tidal mantle]

perks.blessings?

[midnight wyvern]

vet has the ability to go either way pretty easily

[steep flower]

Thats how good vets build it
Was about to point out that ogryn & zel are primarily melee while psyker is a beast on its own

[midnight wyvern]

where other trees don't so its good to take advantage of that

[steep flower]

[plain jungle]

From what I tried so far, Vet melee sucks in general due to arsenal given. Neither good at clearing hordes or focusing down armoreds quickly

[midnight wyvern]

it doesn't

just means you prefer ranged, you can do that more but melee is an integral part of the game, you'll have to learn to do better with what vet has, Tac Axe is good for both surviving and just killing things, it does perfectly fine against armoured and can control groups well enough, Combat axe if you find yourself going into weapon specialist will take heads off every swing and if you can bring yourself to getting used to it

the power sword is nuts

[steep flower]

Shovel is underrated too

[midnight wyvern]

i hated it at first but its really good in havoc

shovel too

[steep flower]

Hsword can slam too

[midnight wyvern]

and alot of people like HSword yeah, just gotta try stuff

[steep flower]

Shock maul is great even without WS

[midnight wyvern]

Taxe and Psword too

Sunder/Power cycler doesn't really need the buffs

[steep flower]

Even chainaxe with enough skill can do wonders on vet like 1 shotting a crusher on auric & 2 shotting in havoc

[plain jungle]

I did try combat axe for a while. Definately not great against hordes. Good for armordes but still takes a while if a group comes after you. Unlike zealot's runic sword that just butchers everyone alike.
Right now I just bolt pistol the heavies and cleave hordes with heavy sword

[midnight wyvern]

its great against hordes wdym

[steep flower]

Yeah caxe is extremelly good vs hordes if you can 1 shot headshot them with bruhmentum

[midnight wyvern]

unless you just straight up avoided the Rashad for whatever reason but

its very good

[steep flower]

In havoc it can be dicey cause highier hp

[midnight wyvern]

[steep flower]

If antax would not have ‚cleave targets’ and have ‚finesse’ like the rest of the caxes it would have been no.1 and rashad would end up in the trash

[midnight wyvern]

Taxe speedran me from havoc 20-23 up to 40 in 2 days with nearly no melee spec in my tree, now im using a PSword and keeping up with my Book Zealot with a relic blade

[steep flower]

But sadly it is what it is

[plain jungle]

You get like 40 pox waljers comming at you and you basically kill them individually. Even if like 10 of them keep pestering you, by the time you deal with them, your team has advanced

[midnight wyvern]

[plain jungle]

It does the killing, it's jut not fast enough

[celest delta]

combos help

some attacks are better at clearing than going through the whole pattern, so often people will do a "block cancel" or push etc to reset the pattern at specific points, or do combos of light and heavy attacks

i cant give info on vet weaponry, but the psyker FGS for example has a Light 1 Light 2 block pattern for horde clear, instead of just going through all four light attacks

[mortal aspen]

rashaad is just light spam vs hordes, isn't it?

[midnight wyvern]

rashad lights are diagonals that hit heads enough

yea

not really flat across infront of you like relic blade lights

[sudden cedar]

Give the Achlys Combat Axe a try. You will be disappointed.

[steep flower]

Yup; can mix up push attack but it does no dmg

[steep flower]

Hush, Zealot

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Shut it, Weirdo.

[unreal nova]

Pot calling kettle black, I see.

[midnight wyvern]

but yeah, try some stuff lol, listing off some of vets best choices and calling them bad is getting you into hot take territory

[tame lodge]

I'm mastering Brutaless Achlys axe rn

It's bleak

But I'm having fun

[midnight wyvern]

random question irrelevant to this conversation.

can power weapons - relic blade/power sword as example, kill more than 4 enemies in 1 swing? if so, is it brumentum that has the cap to killing/damaging 4?

[tame lodge]

It's all that matters

[steep flower]

Tbh; thrust on it is nice; the stacks build up fast on the swiping heavy and you can use push att for CC and repeat

Try that

Bruhmentum & thrust

[tame lodge]

By default
The cleave damage distribution would stop it from killing 4 groaners/walkers

Brutal Momentum applies the first target damage to 4 targets on weakspot kill

So the 5th target would take 2nd damage target if you have the cleave to keep going

[midnight wyvern]

[tame lodge]

For example
Rashad has 1.5 cleave
But should have enough 2nd target damage to kill a poxxer

So BM hits all 4 poxxers but their combined mass is higher than Rashad's

So Rashad doesn't damage the 5th target

When Hotshot worked on melee
Rashad could damage 6-8 poxxers

So it would kill at least 5

Due to cleave damage distribution+BM

[plain jungle]

Isn't dependancy on BM (block attack I presume?) to clear hordes an issue on it's own?

[tame lodge]

BM is Brutal Momentum

It's a really good blessing

And Combat Axe is very dependant on it

Tactical Axe heavies/push attack are capped at 3 targets damaged but you can use BM to push that cap a little

Deathblow is just BM but for Hsword, it works without it but no real reason to use anything else

Power Sword can drop it, but no reason to use anything else

Slab shield can drop it

Ogryn Power Maul can drop it

[turbid ibex]

Nuh uh

[tame lodge]

Ogryn Shovel can drop it but no reason to use anything else

But at the end of the day
Brutal Momentum is too good that you must be insane to use anything else

And hell
I'm insane

🗣️

A Brutal Momentum nerf would hurt Combat Axe more than the others

[faint beacon]

Sunder but thats the only other option

[plain jungle]

How does strength compare to power?

Gonna try BM now

[tame lodge]

Strength and Power are the same thing really

Fatshark renamed Power to Strength

Strength is +Cleave, +Stagger and +Damage

[plain jungle]

One blessing gives strenght for every hit, other gives power for continuous attacks

[tame lodge]

With some basic bitch psyker buffs this is a little reference on the cleave damage distribution of RB

[tame lodge]

You're looking at Headtaker and Decimator
Fatshark forgot to rename Decimator's

Headtaker is the better choice

[tame lodge]

As you can see
Enough 1st and 2nd target Dmg to kill a groaner (300 HP)

But the 3rd target took 270

A little bump in damage and you could kill 3 groaners per heavy swing

Which is probably very achievable on Zealot

89 is the minimum damage

Which is kinda above average (~60)

*also weapon dependant

*and armor type dependant

Dclaw minimum damage against flak is 14

💀

[plain jungle]

Im just not seeing how combat axe is good for hordes.. Short reach, only 2 horizontal possibilities, cleave is also poor

[tame lodge]

Brutal Momentum
Easy 1 shot against poxxers

[plain jungle]

I just tried it

[mortal aspen]

I'm sure it's somewhere "on their radar"

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's basically it

[plain jungle]

It doesn't provide that much needed cleave. Especially with those attack orientations

[tame lodge]

It kills 4 targets

Per swing

[plain jungle]

If they all hit weakspots?

[mortal aspen]

you also have Shredders to help with trash

and non-carapace stuff

[plain jungle]

Im using smoke

[sullen jacinth]

Moose Take: You could fix the Veteran class and make it special and interesting by allowing them to carry a 3rd weapon in matches.

Either Melee or Ranged.

[tame lodge]

still taxed to heaven and back

Also like

No real reason to carry a third weapon around

[mortal aspen]

Bolter + DB

[sullen jacinth]

Carry Plasma + Machine Pistol, live fantasy of a soldier with primary and side arm.

Why would a master of infantry weaponry not have more?

It's obvious they wanted it to be the "Ranged Character" with things like Executioner's Stance, etc.

Being able to carry in an extra armament of choice would be fitting to the class fantasy.

[tame lodge]

Poor combination of weapons
Plasma just kills everything
That machine pistol is never seeing the light of day

If it was Plasma + Zarona revolver then it'd be aight

[sullen jacinth]

That's the point. I'd use Machine Pistol against all the chaff and whip out the Plasma for specialists and Ogryns.

[tame lodge]

Except you'd probably bring a melee for carapace so no real reason to use Zarona

[sudden cedar]

You have your melee weapon for chaff.

[tame lodge]

Why not plasma for the chaff

50-100 cleave 1 shot machine

No real reason to use SAP

If you have plasma

[sullen jacinth]

That's an inherent flaw with the weapon though, not the class.

I'm just saying you could have different and interesting gameplay with an extra weapon, min-max meta aside.

And it would give the class a very specific special something not shared with other classes.

[tame lodge]

Different? Sure
Interesting? Eh

[sullen jacinth]

You're already making the point that it wouldn't be OP because they already have OP weapons with the side arm.

[tame lodge]

And also making the point that it would be pointless

[sullen jacinth]

Explain why.

[tame lodge]

Your melee complements your ranged
If you bring a single target melee you pair with multi targets ranged

You don't need a third weapon

If you bring 2 single target weapons you bring shredder grenade

No need for 3rd weapon

[plain jungle]

Vermintide 2 went on with similar idea by giving special weapon as an ability

[sullen jacinth]

Yeah, Bardin with his Throwing Axes and that Chain gun.

[faint beacon]

Recon XIV Propaganda

[mortal aspen]

Vermintide 2 is a different game with a semblance of balance and specialization

[sullen jacinth]

So you're saying because you can compliment current weapon load outs by changing up your ensemble, it defeats the purpose of having a 3rd weapon choice.

[mortal aspen]

it would be cool to have an Outcast Engineer style ability though

[unreal nova]

So free Bistol statstick slot???

:3

[sullen jacinth]

Which is wild because you're saying mixing and matching weapons is the answer to victory, and the addition of a 3rd weapon would somehow not fit into that formula and be useless?

[tame lodge]

Yes

[sullen jacinth]

To me, it would give you even more agency of choice how you wanted to build your Loadout.

[tame lodge]

Yeah because what would a 3rd weapon do when your melee blitz and ranged are complimenting each other

[sullen jacinth]

You wouldn't know till you tried it I suppose.

[unreal nova]

Just take Bistol.

Best statstick.

[faint beacon]

You really wouldn't a majority of enemies you should be approaching with melee anyways

[sullen jacinth]

It is a melee game with ranged, sure.

[faint beacon]

Ranged is usually Anti-Special/Elite

Yes

You can take cover or use the fact you have ways to gain toughness to close the distance

it is not that difficult

That and getting close to Chaffe Shooters makes them swap to melee

then in turn forcing them to become melee units

not ranged, where they're more annoying

[tame lodge]

Ok so I suppose you know
So please, what would a 3rd weapon do when your melee, blitz and ranged are complimenting each other

[sullen jacinth]

Give you the agency of choice to build a loadout that offers various options for ranged abilities and perhaps enhance the use of some talents beyond what they are now so it's not just Shout Vets everywhere. Just because I can swap to deal with enemies in Melee because my ranged weapon deals less damage doesn't mean I want to, but maybe I like the weapon overall and want to use it. The addition of a third weapon would let me play with the weapon I wanted instead of being meta and going with "what works".

[unreal nova]

I told you, take Bistol.

[sullen jacinth]

Like at the end of the day everyone can just dueling sword and never fire a single shot, doesn't mean it's fun.

If the argument is "We don't need it, what we have works fine" then I don't think that holds water because change brings new gameplay.

[plain jungle]

I've been avoiding duel sword for almost 300h now

[sullen jacinth]

And Stagnation is the slow death of a live service.

[tame lodge]

Ok so a 3rd weapon does nothing relevant

Oh well

[tame lodge]

Yeah it's pretty boring

[sullen jacinth]

Maybe if you have no imagination it does lol

[tame lodge]

Hey I asked

You gave no relevant information

[faint beacon]

I've only played it for about, like 20hrs? its just so fucking boring

[sullen jacinth]

You gave nothing lol

[faint beacon]

Why I use the Tac Axe actually feels fun to use

[sullen jacinth]

Just "I don't need it"

[faint beacon]

fits what I need it to do

[tame lodge]

I could just play Psword 6 and never fire a single shot
So a 3rd weapon would do nothing

[sullen jacinth]

Yet you don't

And pick out weapons based on your needs

[faint beacon]

Also VOC is meta on Vet mainly from Estance not being as insanely impactful (Unless you can aim, not many can)

and its the cheapest pathing

for your talents

[sullen jacinth]

And you're acting like having an additional choice would be useless lmao

[tame lodge]

Psword 6 does everything

[faint beacon]

so you dont get taxed to hell and back for Talents

[tame lodge]

Best generalist melee in the game

[unreal nova]

If you are ignoring, fine. But you know a free bistol slot would just work.

[tame lodge]

All you need is power sword 6

[tame lodge]

I will not fall for Bistol propaganda

[faint beacon]

Im going to be dead serious

[tame lodge]

🫡

[faint beacon]

we are perfectly fine with the 2 weapon system

we technically already have 3

cause of Blitz's

[unreal nova]

Bistol is statstick for frags.

[faint beacon]

Ye Old Vermintide you had to manually find a bomb and hold it till you think it was the right time to use it

[unreal nova]

Or just never do.

[sullen jacinth]

Thanks for the chat lads.

[tame lodge]

🫡

[tame lodge]

Just use engineers bombardier

And never use your bomb because you can just shoot everything

[faint beacon]

Truth nuke

[tame lodge]

Like being a gun dedicated class is the only thing stopping me from buying OE

But at the same time it has Masterwork weapons and trollhammer

Oh wait

Trollhammer is Forgotten Relics

[sly orchid]

are we talking vermintide end times?

[faint beacon]

VT2

the game

shit like that

[tame lodge]

7 black rats
That's a lot of rats

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxA6VuVKvCTRmIinZkd6eWNQfmfM5GYfFY?si=j_mlYo8kQVkyF-AW

Me to stormvermin patrol

[jade flower]

I've done all my penances for veteran bar from the "hardest" one I have left..play 100 games.

[narrow widget]

imagine aiming smh

thats for nerds and sweats

[jade flower]

I can aim in the general direction of my target if that counts.

[narrow widget]

i dont really save bombs
no point in picking them up if not to use them

[tame lodge]

I pick bombs so I can hear the funny lines when I miss

[zinc surge]

anyone have the link for the detailed guide on skills and blessings, the one that includes the mechanics of how each skill blessing operates?

nvm is in pin

[final locust]

Is there a hellgun or kasrkin armour yet

[tame lodge]

Karskin yes

[final locust]

Send pic bruh

Pls

[inland orchid]

should be this one to my brief googling knowledge

[tame lodge]

Yeah that one

[sudden cedar]

An Impostor

[tame lodge]

Which btw

Carapace armor

C'mon Fatshark

https://tenor.com/view/do-something-meme-gif-8007840

[sudden cedar]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Carapace_armour

[tame lodge]

Fatshark giving tdr to Arby's because they wear carapace but vet also has carapace

https://tenor.com/view/crying-one-piece-anime-gif-4502646032764566609

https://tenor.com/view/lalo-salamanca-lalo-better-call-saul-bhp-i-know-what-you-are-gif-25715543

[steep flower]

I mean… iron will & close order drill makes you like you’re wearing carapace
Sorta

[tame lodge]

Not enough 🗣️

[plain osprey]

Vets is survivable If you keep killing shit.

Although that could be said about everyone 🤔

Breaking news, survive shooter game by shooting things

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

[unreal forge]

kuli has steam guides about it

[zinc surge]

yeah i found the link to it in the vet guide in pin thank you!

[tame lodge]

I'm just going to force through Longshot to get Exhil Takedown

Even though it doesn't give 30% tdr

It's about ~27

[unreal forge]

I don't think that's true

from what I'm reading only elite troops, officers and bourgeoise have carapace armor

now is the Shipmaster kind enough to afford carapace to all the rejects whose life expectancy is 5 minutes?

[zinc surge]

whats the mod for brunts armoury for setting specifs stats to auto buy?

[tame lodge]

There's literally karskin armor cosmetic for vet

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-dog-sleeping-sleeping-dog-dog-sleeping-tiny-eepy-dog-gif-2292331323183720739

[plain jungle]

Speaking of mods, is there a way to obtain, concenrate and sacrifice weapons faster? Original way is very tedious

[unreal forge]

yeah there's something for that on nexusmods

I don't remember what it's called

[final locust]

I mean kasrkin armour

Proper stuff

Like this guy

[inland orchid]

im very unknowning in vet regiments, i only know of the kriegsman and cadian

used google to the best of my ability

[final locust]

Yeah fair

[tame lodge]

We can't do much about the helmet

[final locust]

They could have made that dudes armour proper but they get rid of parts of the gear

[final locust]

Why not 😡

[tame lodge]

Because like

Truscan and the black/red is the closest we have to that type of helmet

[jovial lodge]

best power sword blessings?

[tame lodge]

Power Cycler + Brutal Momentum

Alternatively

Power Cycler + Sunder

[jovial lodge]

(b^_^)b ty ty

[tame lodge]

There's also the scions wannabe helmet

Couldn't find the helmet

[muted peak]

I would grind my soul down if we could get scion armor by just grinding

[hollow ibex]

you can! (find a job )

[muted peak]

They dont give jobs to students

Also, what ranged go well with power sword?

[hollow ibex]

kids these days have no creativity

back in my day

we worked for our allowances

mowing lawns, walking the neighbor's dog, creating an onlyfans account, etc.

where's your entrepreneurial spirit??

[muted peak]

I mean, I dont know if its same with you btw but, most places I can work in my country like cafes or restaurants think like, "he's a student, he won't stick around much its disadvantegous for me to hire him" or "how can I make this kid work to a bone with minimal pay?"

[tame lodge]

That feeling when you want to buy cosmetic stuff but you're a person of principles and is not going to buy shit from this shit slop shop

900 aquillas for a raised visor

🗣️

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-doakes-squint-stare-suspicious-gif-14432154109786838518

[hollow ibex]

then simply try the last option on the list

[muted peak]

Well, tried it, the boss made me work for HALF the hourly minimal wage for the promise of a part time job in exchange for one week of trial, he went back on his word the bastard said "I'm thinking of making you an extra worker"

[hollow ibex]

THIS list

[muted peak]

I cant do any of that

Its turkey

I live in istanbul

[hollow ibex]

smh kids these days will come up with any excuse to not work

[muted peak]

[muted peak]

.

[tame lodge]

Oh any

[willow prairie]

plasma goes with everything but i dont really recommend 2 weapon with bad mobility with each other

[tame lodge]

Psword just does everything but be mobile

[willow prairie]

personally recon las

still run ps and plasma in h400 though

[muted peak]

I'm shit with recon las

Dont like the spread too

[willow prairie]

its one of the gun where you need mod that remove sight to use lmao

because the sight is dogshit

[hollow ibex]

as long as you follow the standard build it's genuinely difficult to be bad with recon las

[willow prairie]

ive seen people use combat shotgun with ps but i havent have any success with it outsiode auric maelstorm

[hollow ibex]

you don't even need headshots

literally just spray at the thing you want dead

[willow prairie]

still kill everything too slow imo

outside bosses

[hollow ibex]

the dps is reasonable for the mag capacity and how brainless the weapon is

[tropic notch]

Just play smart

[muted peak]

Jokes on you, I suck at this game

Also

I want precision

[hollow ibex]

try helbore tehn

[tame lodge]

Vigi 7 as well

[sharp epoch]

you suck at the game but want to use a precision weapon, thats gonna make sure suck more probably

[tropic notch]

dbarrel

[tame lodge]

The alternative is that he ends up trial by fire-ing himself up the skill levels

[craggy sapphire]

hello fellas, if i want to do a mainly melee veteran playstyle, is combat blade good? i like the idea of bleed and mobility but it kinda sucks for me in game compared to the shock mace or duelling sword. is it true that combat blade is only best used for mobility? or am i missing something?

[surreal rune]

has the vigilant autogun gotten a buff yet

[surreal rune]

the way to play the knife isnt bleed

it isnt worth it to take lacerate or flesh tearer at all on vet in most cases

[muted peak]

No it does not, my main with vet after I discovered it was ilas mark2b

[surreal rune]

and mercy killer is situational if you take the lacerate talent

[craggy sapphire]

what do i take

[craggy sapphire]

i noticed cause bleed isnt doing jack

[covert fable]

try uncanny and precognition

[surreal rune]

the bleed blessings usually arent worth it

[surreal rune]

uncanny, precog/riposte

[craggy sapphire]

if i have the lacerate talent is uncanny and mercy killer good?

[surreal rune]

yes

[meager echo]

Try power sword 6, best melee option for vet.

[surreal rune]

btw uncanny adds rending, which makes your bleed better against crushers

[craggy sapphire]

nah i dont like the power sword

[craggy sapphire]

bleed benefits from rending?

dafuq

[surreal rune]

but youd kill them fast enough where it wouldnt matter

[surreal rune]

yes

[craggy sapphire]

thats dumb

[surreal rune]

eh

it works

[craggy sapphire]

what are good ranged weapons

[surreal rune]

uh

most of them are

good

[craggy sapphire]

specifically im looking for something i can pull out fast to kill ranged guys

im just using some random autogun ive had since the beginning of the game

[covert fable]

plasma gun

[craggy sapphire]

do i not have to spec into it

[surreal rune]

not much

[craggy sapphire]

thats the one that shoots like a bunch of lasers right

is there something thats gunpowder

lasers r kinda lame

[surreal rune]

it shoots plasma

[hollow ibex]

revolver, double barrel shotgun, bistol (though build dependent)

plasma can work too

[craggy sapphire]

oh i mixed it up with the lasgun

lemme try it

[craggy sapphire]

i was thinking of revolver but its a pain in the ass to reload

and i dont wanna put points away from buffing melee into that uhh reload talent

havent tried the bistol or double barrel yet

also are any of the 2 combat blade variants better than the other?

[meager echo]

6 is better, faster push attack. But i don't think combat blade is good on vet due to DS.

[craggy sapphire]

yeah ill probably use the duelling sword at some point but im just tryna have some fun before i get to the higher difficulties

i think i like the bistol the most

the plasma gun reload is way too fkn long

but i guess it does have a large mag size

thanks fellas

[willow prairie]

precog uptime is ass 💔

riposte is better imo because it just a more consistent damage boost

innate crit + that one crit talent + riposte

it hard to make use of precog most of the time

[craggy sapphire]

god combat blade feels so much better now

using mk3 and i can throw out the 2 heavy loop chain omega fast its funny stabbing the shit out of elites

[willow prairie]

funny how the ranged class have more melee damage than the melee class

[willow prairie]

special light loop

[craggy sapphire]

?

[willow prairie]

its much faster and more dps

the punch

[craggy sapphire]

how do i do it

[willow prairie]

press the special attack button

then do a light attack

it loop infinitely

[craggy sapphire]

yeah but it does less dmg

actually

okay thats pretty cool

does the other one have that too?

[willow prairie]

yeah but slower

mk6 is better overall

for mk3 punch into light spam is highest dps

[latent thistle]

try power sword, still quite good depending on your build

[craggy sapphire]

im not a big fan of the flashy stuff

[willow prairie]

mk6 single target combo is more complicated

[craggy sapphire]

what is it

[willow prairie]

special - light - PA - light/heavy - heavy

then loop

[craggy sapphire]

ew

[willow prairie]

have way better horde clear though

[meager echo]

Or you can go ds, less input, more dps.

[willow prairie]

real

[meager echo]

Combat blade is good but it get power creeped by ds

[craggy sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/minion-gif-15896242677296013678

damn

yeah mk3 is way more fun

my ass is not bothering with that combo anytime soon

[willow prairie]

i mean youi can macro

[craggy sapphire]

yeah but i like the look of the stabs way more than whatever that combo looks like

[willow prairie]

it get stupid with weapon specialist

even more on martydom zealot lol

[craggy sapphire]

alright time to hop into a match and try this shit out

thanks for the help

[hollow ibex]

if you're going to use mk3, try it with WS + lacerate + serrated blade

otherwise your horde clear is gonna be pretty shit

[orchid hemlock]

Omg soo many new people

[orchid hemlock]

U never need to reload the revolver if you play and build properly

[hybrid plover]

Combat knife has arguably better horde clear.

Dueling sword is solely a single target king.

[craggy sapphire]

what is WS

[willow prairie]

ds is infinitely safer due to better range though

also knife horde clear is like barely better due to attack angle

[hybrid plover]

Much wider angle than the dueling swords moveset still.

[willow prairie]

no cleave lol

also no

it isnt better because you wont hit more than 1 enemy weakspot lol

its onpar with ds for that reason

except ds push attack have good cleave

[hybrid plover]

Combat blade push attacks have good cleave too.

[willow prairie]

while light does horde clear reasonably

[hybrid plover]

Even the mk3 does.

[craggy sapphire]

what is a critical weak spot?

[willow prairie]

it literally what it said

[tame lodge]

A weakspot hit that is critical

[willow prairie]

crit + weakspot multi

[tame lodge]

There's

Body
Critical Body
Weakspot
Critical Weakspot

[craggy sapphire]

got it

what r the best blessings for bistol?

[willow prairie]

bolt pistol?

[craggy sapphire]

ya

[tame lodge]

Lethal Proximity Run and Gun for grenadier

[willow prairie]

punture + lethal

[tame lodge]

Surgical + Puncture/Deadly Accurate for sniping

[willow prairie]

or the one that increase crit + punture

but honestly just use the boltgun

its better most of the time

[craggy sapphire]

spearhead boltgun?

[hybrid plover]

Oh and the mk6 vanguard swipe also has pretty good cleave too.

[meager echo]

but if you take knife or ds it's purely for single dps, u kinda have to clear horde with frag.

most of the time you use knife or ds for repositioning rather than fight into horde tho

[willow prairie]

still ass 😔

also too slow

also wtf i just discovered that scab gunner actually have 1201 hp and not 1200

might be a rounding error?

[meager echo]

and the worst thing is knife push attack is very good and you can not ultilze it with vet since vet stamina delay is so ass...

[hollow ibex]

weapon specialist

bottom right keystone

[willow prairie]

aka probably the best one

[hybrid plover]

That's why I religiously take stam delay node.

[craggy sapphire]

ngl i dont take any of the purple stuff

it all seems lame

[hybrid plover]

I've ran combat knife and helbore with smokes. It's done me just fine tbh

[craggy sapphire]

combat knife with actually good blessings feels so fkn good i love this thing

[hybrid plover]

Havoc 40, mind you

[craggy sapphire]

except i cant clear hordes for shit

like that guy said

[meager echo]

well i can do well with ps + gs with 1/10 of your effort and skill.

thats the main problem...

[craggy sapphire]

alr bro

[hollow ibex]

purple stuff lets you do things liek this

[craggy sapphire]

i mean thats cool but im just tryna stab stuff

[hybrid plover]

I mean we were talking more about the comparison of dueling sword and combat knife horde clear and at least for mk6, the moveset does lend itself to horde clear better. Is it the best? No.

But I'd rather have that than dueling sword for that particular purpose if I really wanted to go that route.

[hollow ibex]

you can stab stuff faster with purple stuff

[meager echo]

tbh, i can't even make ds work in havoc that shiet ass.

[craggy sapphire]

i guess

[meager echo]

i rather turn of my brain and use ps6

[craggy sapphire]

but then i wouldnt have enough points to put into stuff i actually think is fun

[willow prairie]

duelling sword just have much better single target while hjaving onpar horde clear and being safer

[meager echo]

it require litterally no skill, no thought

[willow prairie]

there isnt a reason to run combat knife nowadays unless you play martydom with macro lol

[craggy sapphire]

is there a way to improve my horde clear without changing blessings or do i just take the L

[willow prairie]

for knife no

you can use ranged + nade to help with horde clear

[tame lodge]

The forbidden Executor

[craggy sapphire]

im using smokes

[craggy sapphire]

whats that

[tame lodge]

The blessing that gives strength on weakspot hits

[craggy sapphire]

need to change my blessings for that though

but maybe

i wonder how much uhh

[hollow ibex]

what blessings are you running and which knife?

[craggy sapphire]

how much uncanny strike is doing

mk3 uncanny and mercy killer

i have serrated blade

[hollow ibex]

MK isn't worth on vet

take lacerate if you're going to run mk3

with weapon specailist

[craggy sapphire]

💀

[spark helm]

Most weapons in this game have pretty easy to learn movesets and applications. Duelling sword is only exceptional in its output, range and overall speed in my opinion. Even more technical weapons like a power sword are only in that category because of one button press and blessing being inseparable from the weapon's performance. Otherwise, not at all hard to use.

[hollow ibex]

you want horde clear, you gotta invest in it

and knife feels way better with attack speed anyway

which is what WS gives

[craggy sapphire]

fine

but im not happy about it

is bring it down any good

[meager echo]

I'll be honest, the ps is very tedious to use, but it's very safe and have no problem with any melee enemy in the games.

[craggy sapphire]

can i keep mk

[hollow ibex]

yes

[hollow ibex]

MK isn't worth it on vet

[craggy sapphire]

but +50% damaaage

pleaseeee

[hollow ibex]

esp on mk3

it's esp shit on mk3

[craggy sapphire]

why im just spamming heavies

[hollow ibex]

50% of weakspot damage

not your overall damage

[craggy sapphire]

wdym

im hitting weakspots

[hollow ibex]

if you do 100 damage per hit, and get 50 bonus damage from the weakspot hit

MK gives you 50% of that 50 bonus damage

so 175 damage total

[spark helm]

Like you still have to actually dodge, you still actually have to play with your reach, you still have to make the same fundamental decisions.

Ps in this example just gets punished for poorer horde management when the user isn't able to stop stray hits from knocking them out of the empowered state. And yeah it's apart of the safe to use, easier to pickup weapons with very strong staying power between difficulties.

Do people even bother with some of those foldable shovels still? I haven't seen anyone really running them. Most I see are like duelling swords, combat knives, power swords, tactical axes and combat axes. I've only really seen shovel users with whatever the default mark is called now.

[craggy sapphire]

isnt that still good

if im trying to kill strong mobs fast

[hollow ibex]

no

[meager echo]

The only thing you need to dodge is overhead, u stagger everything else.

[latent thistle]

Is there any play for Heavy Las Pistol in havoc 30+? Just a reality check

[formal ice]

Shoot

[meager echo]

U can litterally run straight into 4 ragers and have no problem at all

[spark helm]

I can't get havoc going at all for me so idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[meager echo]

that's how safe it is.

[spark helm]

I didn't read a patch note that talked about it yet but it seems like ragers go turned down a little with their behavior. Unsure how but they seem slower sometimes? Idk what I'm really seeing here during matches.

Sometimes they start their flurry and move forward like normally, other times they're like really fucking slow on their attacks and don't track much but still do their flurry.

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/yellow-gold-amber-gif-26074042

[meager echo]

idk, i came back after they release arbites, so there are lots of stuff i have no idea about.

[meager echo]

I just play a lot, and imitate what people run in my server.

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/o'saa-fear-and-hunger-termina-yellow-mage-funger-gif-gif-3825986221746829722

Skidaddle skiddodle, I've cut your arms into thin noddles. 🪄 💛

[formal ice]

[spark helm]

I had to fix some persistent performance issues with darktide so I slowed down with playing not too long after coming back a little bit before arbites showed up. Mostly been back to experimenting, with strong builds just waiting in the wings on all my characters. One day havoc will be played by me. I'm honestly still getting little bits of rust off because holy shit I've had too many missions where if I'm the last one standing, I actually can't clutch as reliably. Plus, idk what's up but sometimes the director is like, actually serious about shitting on me and the squad in a way that feels targeted as hell.

I have literally been thrown into other chargers into crowds then netted and burned pfft. It took a while but I just couldn't do anything for that whole sequence lmao.

[hybrid plover]

I've always felt like I get overwhelmed more often with dueling sword than knife if ill be real

[willow prairie]

i mean if you run yourself into a corner

[spark helm]

Does ds, cb and taxe share the same mobility scores

[willow prairie]

taxe is lower

ds and knife is the same

[spark helm]

By how much?

[willow prairie]

but knife heavies have speed boost

[hybrid plover]

Ds + knife technically have same but heavy attack move tech makes knife faster.

Taxes is slightly lower

There is a caveat with dueling sword where ds5 has the best dodge distance in the entire game though.

[willow prairie]

also

[spark helm]

Ds has those opening directionals and some extra lunge on the heavy too. I'd say knives definitely have more on demand mobility to help the footwork out.

[willow prairie]

yeah but that mean you have to use mk5 duelling sword

[hybrid plover]

It's actually pretty good tho

[willow prairie]

no lol

bad pattern on light

the heavy suck also

[spark helm]

Is that the thicker sabre? I haven't used it in a while but I remember one of them being really nice on the light loops.

[willow prairie]

mk4 and mk2 is the good one

[meager echo]

Don't worry about havoc, you miss nothing... I'm pretty average I can still get all the penances. I saw plenty of people play better than me in auric don't they bother with that mode. The mode is fun with friends but very rough without premade group.

[willow prairie]

real

im so used to havoc auric feel like ultra easy mode

[craggy sapphire]

what is strength?

[willow prairie]

if only havoc have more build variety

[hybrid plover]

It's the thicker one yeah. Have to intertwine your lights and heavies a lot to make it work.

[willow prairie]

basically damage, impact, cleave

all in one

[hybrid plover]

You can use whatever as long as you're good.

[craggy sapphire]

how much does it impact damage

[willow prairie]

sure if you can get accepted in a havoc game in the first place

truly the hardest part of havoc

[hybrid plover]

I mean having a clearance 40 helps.

[willow prairie]

even then you probably get kicked for going off meta

no it doesnt lol

[spark helm]

My only issue really is just having the pre-made for it. I don't want to put in the time organizing with random people sometimes. I would like actually get to 40 and just enjoy the challenge between the tiers.

It wouldn't surprise me if I got so comfortable with havoc that aurics just turn into what heresy is for experienced folks.

[hybrid plover]

Surprisingly, I've never had that happen before with my goofy ass builds.

[hollow ibex]

check the HOTE guide in the pins, talks about all this and more

[willow prairie]

then when you finally get in a game youi get smite psyker and stealth vet

[spark helm]

Here for it 100%. Fuck it lol

[hybrid plover]

I've ran stuff like knife and helbore with smokes and no surv. Tac axe with chorus and martyr

People usually just don't care once they have their 40 assignment already.

[meager echo]

I kind want it to be low stake, no demote, have quick play so people can have fun. Imo current havoc is too high stake, it make people want to gate keeping.

[hybrid plover]

Since they can't actually demote by then anymore

I think ainz literally lets people who are literally new to havoc into their h40s for the goofs lmao

[spark helm]

Not too surprising given how people every now and again just drop from auric lobbies if my ass shows up the same way.

[narrow frost]

Ye

The lower the level the better

[spark helm]

Granted, in my case, I'm actually not that great with the helbore yet and I'm still working on it but that shit still happens sometimes.

[hybrid plover]

Honestly pulling havoc off with off meta stuff is more fun imho

[willow prairie]

yeah

if you have a willing team

[hybrid plover]

Honestly the gatekeeping happens more on anything that isn't 40.

[willow prairie]

I literally cannot get a single game with fotf zealot when not using thammer

[spark helm]

Last time people just abandoned lobby i was running primarily right side everything on vet. I switched characters eventually and ran into most of the same people from that game and um.

Yeah, I probably would've had them in the backpack, that was a slog and nowhere near my fault holy shit lmao

[willow prairie]

or you can play arby and guaranteed that no one will accept you lmao

[meager echo]

most people are not 40 tho.

[willow prairie]

but that a little more fair since other classes are more desirable

[spark helm]

Honestly, I get it but people sometimes just be whiny as hell over the class.

Aside from its ease of output is there actually any reason why people do that? Is it a situation like where newer or less experienced players that have been playing arbites end up in havoc without better judgements or something?

[willow prairie]

no it just arby just don't really provide much in havoc

[serene bough]

Mostly bc a lot of Arby's are new or inexperienced it seems

[hybrid plover]

A lot of people who play arbites are bad.

[spark helm]

Not even the foot knight style?

[hybrid plover]

And they don't provide much in terms of team cohesion.

[meager echo]

i have 300+ truelevel, true survivor h40 arbites, rough time getting accepted as arbites in HK.

[willow prairie]

2 of the ability are good but don't do anything for the team and nuncio is not very good

[meager echo]

People there dont like the class.

[willow prairie]

compare to shout, chorus, fotf, taunt, shield yeah

arby don't provide anything

[spark helm]

Oh wow. Can it not handle being underpressure?

[willow prairie]

gold toughness is a must in havoc also

[willow prairie]

no arbites is completely fine, just not really specialize in anything

nor have muh team utility

[spark helm]

I meant the aquila

[willow prairie]

yeah radius is too small

[meager echo]

very high cooldown.

[willow prairie]

also that

[spark helm]

I guess it being so stationary can be a problem.

[willow prairie]

also you have to stay inside it for the buff

[meager echo]

arbites is lesser ogryn in high havoc

[willow prairie]

it's more useful as a debuff tool than a buffing tool

[spark helm]

You don't always want to hunker down sometimes. Can't speak for havoc but that makes sense to me.

[spark helm]

Mhm.

[willow prairie]

you have to hunker down in havoc

that the thing lol

[spark helm]

Ah

[willow prairie]

still doesn't make aquila good

[spark helm]

Mm

How often do you just have to hold a position in havocs?

[willow prairie]

it just need something like bigger radius or lingering buff effect for 5s to be useful

atm you have to stay inside for the buff

[heavy rover]

Wait... Does the Bound by Duty update mean vet rework?

[willow prairie]

literally everytime there a horde

[spark helm]

Oh shit lol it's just that dense huh

[meager echo]

with vet smoke, bubble psyker, chorus zealot and taunt ogryn you can hold anywhere in the map for any amount of time.

[willow prairie]

the best build for havoc arby atm is boss killing

keeping protocol + malocator + monster hunter

also no keystone so your dog proc more malocator

also skullcrusher since tou have concussive

but well arby is kinda flexible in build variety in havox

[halcyon blaze]

I have seen the occasional Arbitrator that seems to get tunnel vision killing trash mobs when we should be doing objectives, they keep driving forward bonking stuff and sure, they generally stay alive, but they tend to drift further and further from the group and lose their awareness of where the team is.

[spark helm]

Kind of surprised tbh. I would've figured arbites be a Rockstar on some level in havoc just because of how selfish the class is designed on top of its flagrant stagger output. It doesn't exactly "play itself" in my opinion but it's very narrow decisions I end up taking to their max when I play them. Had enough? Castigator and push. Done with a flank piling up? Shock mine. Need a vip disabler dead but too busy? Eh, cleave the whole crowd or just get the dog on em.

Very immediate returns usually.

[willow prairie]

again

arbites is strong

it just that they provide zero team utility

actually there shock mine but that about it

[spark helm]

Meathead basically from what you're saying.

[willow prairie]

no

[spark helm]

Literal blunt instrument.

[willow prairie]

😭

I literally listed why arby isn't desirable in havoc

[meager echo]

arbites get out dmg by ogryn and no taunt so he's just a tankier ogryn with no ultility

[spark helm]

I didn't mean it as a bad thing. I'm just abstarcting it to myself ig.

[willow prairie]

I mean sure but then you get 85% boss damage from doing nothing

[spark helm]

I read what you said and I can see what you mean.

[willow prairie]

ogryn still better overall though

[halcyon blaze]

I mean they still can, but there's plenty of times where I've seen Arbi be the last one up, and then waste shock mine by deploying it and then kiting around only a handful of enemies, until they get trapped, not every Arbi but there seems to be a bunch who just look really... meh outside of hitting things.

[willow prairie]

you can't really kite with arby to be fair

most of their weapon don't have good mobility

[halcyon blaze]

And they'll not worry about fire because their class kind of ignores it, so they end up resing other people in fire.

[willow prairie]

wdym arby can ignore fire lol

unless you mean castigator

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/humbled-fooled-jbtzxclsv-gotcha-damn-gif-17865162594285110545

It was me. I'm so serious

Lmao

[narrow frost]

I'd argue that they are one of the best

[halcyon blaze]

Well for some reason it always seems to be Arbitrator players trying to res people in fire, at least in Havoc, most other class players recognise that's a bad idea.

[narrow frost]

Since they get toughness from sprinting/dog aura, dog utility, plus they have the dodge increase distance that is an amazing pick with good pathing

[spark helm]

Sometimes I do it if there's enough room for them to dodge out or run or whatever but it's typically not the best idea.

Castigator a funny drug sometimes.

[willow prairie]

castigator is either the best thing either or absolute dogshit

[halcyon blaze]

Luckily I'm often playing vet so I can shout and at least give res'd people some insta toughness.

[tall torrent]

outside of tac axe's dodge template override, every melee they have are lower dodge than avg

[narrow frost]

Good point

[tall torrent]

but u can spec arb to run crazy fast pretty easily

[narrow frost]

How does the dodge talent factor in?

[willow prairie]

even with malocator 10% speed boost you're not outrunning rager usually

[tall torrent]

does not change dodge distance

[narrow frost]

Ahhhh

Misread then

[tall torrent]

malocator is not move speed, it's CD rate

[willow prairie]

dodge talent is iframe

[tall torrent]

dodge is not i-frame either

[willow prairie]

no the one with dog

[willow prairie]

dodge duration is iframe lol

wdym

[tall torrent]

NFB

[willow prairie]

yeah

[tall torrent]

it literally is not

[spark helm]

Also when did perfect blocks become a thing? Are they limited to talents, blessings and classes or is that something that's general now?

[tall torrent]

they never gave dodges i-frames

[willow prairie]

damn

perfect block alway been a thing iirc?

[spark helm]

I assumed until I saw tooltips

[tall torrent]

perfect block always was a thing but it was coded as a condition to activate things

[willow prairie]

yeah the one that give 10% damage and movespeed on pounce

[tall torrent]

and if there's nothing to activate it does essentially nothing

[willow prairie]

fatshark moment

[spark helm]

There weren't many things that played with it back then I'm guessing that's interesting and weird lol

I can't remember a single blessing that played off of perfect block, I just did it because I knew how to but when I noticed block efficiency as a thing, I doubted I was doing anything with it compared to like vt2. I still remember the first time I tried banging my head against damnation with ragers and just being irritated that I couldn't parry them like zerkrats.

[willow prairie]

block efficiency is just stamina reduction

can't really block much in dt outside a few weapon

and psyker lmao

[spark helm]

Usually yeah. I slept on that talent for so long until I actually read it.

It's just that when I tried perfect block like in vt2 I couldn't tell if I was taking less stamina dmg or not so I gave up doing it. Then eventually perfect block just shows up in talents and I'm confused again.

[willow prairie]

damn

[meager echo]

wow, i thought it give iframe...

[tall torrent]

never been a thing in tide games

[narrow frost]

You only really start noticing with alot of playtime

[hybrid plover]

Dodges disable enemy attack tracking. Its not iframes.

[narrow frost]

Dodge immunity is wacky

[tall torrent]

there are dmg-invulnerability things in the game

but dodge is not one of them

@narrow frost next DT update could be a new scab enemy type

[narrow frost]

You think?

[hollow ibex]

ults? 🤔

[sly orchid]

my guess is a carapace captain

[tall torrent]

yea the new teaser

he doesn't look like a captain

[sly orchid]

could also be a matter of perspective

[tall torrent]

FotF, indomitable

[tall torrent]

captains don't have yellow gloves

[sly orchid]

well have to see

[hybrid plover]

Castigators

[sly orchid]

hopefully it isnt a massive nothingburger with just mortis nightmare

[tall torrent]

yea no

[hybrid plover]

Half joking.

You feel like you're not taking damage but you are. Very marginal damage.

[willow prairie]

80% damage resistance

[tame lodge]

Scab Sergeant

[willow prairie]

i don't remember if there a damage res cap since you can easily reach 100% if you run casti + either forceful or the one that give 25% damage res on elites

[tall torrent]

there is no 100%

DR is multiplicative in most cases

[willow prairie]

ic

what the exception

[tall torrent]

close order drill
grey nodes
there's 1 indulgence in mortis that for some reason works differently

that's about it

[willow prairie]

isn't close order drill only toughness damage res

[tall torrent]

yes

but that's what u normally care about most

[faint beacon]

Bro its LOOKING like a nothingburger already if its Mortis content

[sly orchid]

save us vet weapons

[hybrid plover]

2028. No sooner. No later.

[willow prairie]

zealot need rework way more vet weapon lmao

[sly orchid]

vet's last weapon was the folding shovel

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bpGHG.gif

[hybrid plover]

Nah vet does need some love. Zealot needs it more though, unfortunately.

[willow prairie]

well zealot entire skill tree is from the mesozoic

literally the worst tree in the game

[sly orchid]

both the zealot rework and vet weapons can drop in the same update

[faint beacon]

Not happening Luigi

[hybrid plover]

Bro. This is Fatshark.

[sudden cedar]

That would be a lot to ask for from Carcharodon Gargantua.

[hybrid plover]

Obesefish would never.

[sudden cedar]

Luckily i don't expect anything from this, so i can't be disappointed.

Well.. can't be disappointed easily

[tall torrent]

it's dropping in 10d
next week should have real announcements

[faint beacon]

I am not trusting anything till I see them physically say something that isn't just "Mortis Content lmao"

[heavy rover]

No this is Patrick

[heavy rover]

I was about to say this is Sparta but that ages the fuck out of me

[tall torrent]

well they sayd Sep23 release

and today is Sep13

not even 2 weeks away

[heavy rover]

My fellow vet mains, I come bearing undeniable proof that the next update is vet rework. The update is named Bound by Duty. And which class do we know cares about duty above all else?

Cadian / Professional

And from which class are they? Vet

[tall torrent]

it's literally just the Monday after next week

[heavy rover]

Therefore, vet update drop on September 23

[faint beacon]

If Vet actually gets it, Im going to feel so fucking bad for Zealot players lmao

again im holding out onto nothing other than its Mortis Content atm

that and everyone is speculating over who this is

[tame lodge]

Eh
Zealots can just shrug it off

We've been doing that for a while

We can still do that for a while more

[tall torrent]

Zealot rework at earliest maybe December this year

[tame lodge]

Idk
Back to back reworks like that

[faint beacon]

Its come to my attention that really is just a kitbash of the most random assests that already exist in game, so do not be surprised if we dont get a new unit

Thats one of the Dreg Gunner's Head models under there being used with the Scab Captain helmet covering it

[heavy rover]

well the character does have red eyes, so that must mean they must be shooting faster

[hollow ibex]

the heretics are going to get a new weapon before vet does

[faint beacon]

Trapper body

thats literally it

[heavy rover]

that would be so funny

[sly orchid]

new elite webber

[void dragon]

Is it true? New scrap plasma gunners are gonna be a thing?

[sudden cedar]

@faint beacon As bad as the Zealot tree appears to be, it is serviceable.

And that guy is either just a Captain, since he has a Plasma Weapon, or a new Plasma Special. Who knows.

Probably just a Plasma Captain and completely irrelevant

[tame lodge]

But he's also not ornate enough to be a captain

[sudden cedar]

Well then he's a stripped down Captain with a Plasma Weapon.

[tame lodge]

Lacking the fur on the shoulders

[sudden cedar]

Not far fetched that an Imperial Guard Regiment has Special Weapons.

[bleak tendon]

Could be like a lieutenant enemy?

[sudden cedar]

Lieutenant is simply Rodin and Rinda Karnak.

This guy does not look like either.

[void dragon]

Will they be shotgunners+?

[tame lodge]

Holding a plasma gun

[bleak tendon]

Well shit, sergeant?

[tame lodge]

Probs

[sudden cedar]

You don't have to be higher rank to hold a special weapon

[bleak tendon]

I’m more so going off of that he has Captian gear just not all of it

[void dragon]

Just look at us rejects with some power weapons

[sudden cedar]

Technically speaking, we are both low rank and high rank at the same time.

Low rank because we are simple grunts in the Inquisitorial Warband.

But at the same time, this means we have the backing of an Inquisitor and thus practically the authority of an Inquisitor.

[void dragon]

High enough to be send to really important missions
Low enought to get shot without a tear in any officer

[normal bay]

Maybe this is what the radio caller looks like now, and not a weirdly scaled up Scab Gunner

[sudden cedar]

No Rosette of course, but we are executing the will of an Inquisitor.

Or rather enforcing.

I do allow myself one speculation for that update.

Arbitrator will still not get new cosmetics.

[narrow widget]

holy shit vet nerfs coming

"bound"

nerfs fr fr

its over for him

hes done

[heavy rover]

no, so long as vets have the helbore, they shall stand strong like Cadia

...wait

[narrow widget]

bound by cadia

[pseudo fiber]

New vet weapon

:3

[heavy rover]

holy shit it's happening

it reminds me of a power sword. Maybe it's the rumoured relic-blade style weapon?

[pseudo fiber]

The power sabre yeah

[narrow widget]

it would be funny if it was worse than power sword

[heavy rover]

that'd be peak fatshark

[pseudo fiber]

I mean the power sword is really good it'd take a lot to be better than it tbh

[faint beacon]

Its probably going to be worse

but have something better than the PS to make it a side grade to it

me thinks less damage but better mobility or defensive tools

[narrow widget]

actually it looks quite a bit shorter than the power sword

unless the perspective is off

[hybrid plover]

Looks like a falchion

[narrow widget]

looks like it has a loop on the hilt?

[hybrid plover]

Fat curved blade. Handguard on the hilt.

[narrow widget]

this is what im seeing

[tropic halo]

It is a power sabre

[hollow ibex]

power duelling sword confirmed??

[heavy rover]

spicy toothpick confirmed

[tall torrent]

power falchion (powersword_p2) with 2 variants

[hollow ibex]

guys my ilas looks a bit weird

[hybrid plover]

Honestly.

Yeah I dig it.

Falchions are cool.

[tropic halo]

you sure got that weapon close on your eyes

Probably a bit too close

[hollow ibex]

yeah wished exec stance didn't shrink fov

[unreal forge]

this the new vet weapon?

[atomic void]

yes

[unreal forge]

ok

seems I can finally retire this one

[tropic notch]

What about Poweraxe

[tall torrent]

idk when

[tropic notch]

I wonder what moveset it’ll have

[midnight wyvern]

all overheads

[heavy rover]

another classic w for the helbore

[short vapor]

Never happening

[void dragon]

The dream of a power fist is fading
in other news, im almost wondering if that sabre will actualy end being a new Psword cosmetic

it will be a good gut punch for Vet mains and still leave room for some nerfs

[spare jolt]

i wanted a ranged weapon but itd be cool

[green siren]

does devil's claw eat stamina if u try to deflect crusher's overhead?

[pseudo fiber]

It isn't

[tame sundial]

Agreed. Fatshark should just remove veteran from the game at this point all my homies hate veteran.

[narrow widget]

fr fr

[tame sundial]

Would easily be the best update they'd ever done

[spare jolt]

so no helgun or some kind of melta?

[void dragon]

I want a new skill that let us pull those guns the gunners have, i want to do a Rambo ObeseFish!

[tame sundial]

Although in seriousness I am hoping that the update doesn't end up being "Here's a new vet weapon and a map for mortis. And a bunch of balance changes I guess. Okay bye."

[void dragon]

The dream of power fists is fading...

[narrow widget]

outcast engineer vermin tide 2

[spare jolt]

where my rework at fs

[tame sundial]

It'll probably include a rework for either zealot or veteran is my guess if that's the only stuff we're gonna get in terms of content.

[void dragon]

yeah, a crank gun that is temporary but you can go full dakka

[narrow widget]

yeah where are my doubled tax nodes

[void dragon]

double? try quadruple

[spare jolt]

every nod will be 0.5 ranged dmg

take it or leave it

[void dragon]

and it only works when the enemy is at 30ft away

[narrow widget]

believe it or not this is the ideal tree

[spare jolt]

and for %5 chance

if there is no gambling it aint vet

[void dragon]

peak performance perk tree (legit, a perk tree that is just archetypes that dont mix COULD work, but would be boring to not be able to mix)

[keen vessel]

for heavy laspistol mkII or X is better?

[hollow ibex]

Generally II

[rough adder]

Heavy sword buff finally coming? /s

[faint beacon]

Well we can only pray for weapon tweaks ontop of the Veteran weapon being added

cause I have 0 interest in Mortis Trials getting a new map

Possible new enemy type is nice though

[rough adder]

Yeah I really like that they are adding probably a carapace ranged enemy

It's gonna shake up the gameplay loop a lot

(and unfortunately probably make a lot of people mad because this mean there will actually be a ranged human-sized elite that can survive more than .5 seconds)

[faint beacon]

Its Most likely Flak

People are also forgetting about the Datamined Dreg Mauler

[void dragon]

still think the weapon in the promo is just a skin

for the Heavy sword specifically

[faint beacon]

Thats very much not Fatshark to put a skin in a promo image unless its specifically Commodore's stuff

[rough adder]

I don't think they usually put skins in promo?

[void dragon]

dont know their ruleset for that so idk

[rough adder]

nah not really a ruleset there just doesn't seem to be a precedent

[pseudo fiber]

Some of you take the pessimism into unrealistic dooming and it's not a healthy way to live

[rough adder]

Not sure though, his seems to be much much more heavily armored than the regular gunner/shotgunner and his helmet is much more rectengular

[void dragon]

It's on brand of the theme of the setting, the Imperium sucks so dooming 24/7 is roleplay 101

[pseudo fiber]

The 3 key pieces of evidence are

1. There's new weapon data called powersword_p2_m1 which is a weapon based on the power sword that uses the heat system and it isn't the relic blade.

2. There's a weapon in the weapon customisation mod with the label "power falchion:

3. There's a text string that reads "Power Falchion (fire wastes)" in the game files which means the fire wastes skin for the power falchion

[rough adder]

Like you can clearly see there are two extra plates slapped on top of his standard helmet

[hybrid plover]

Just wonder how the falchion is gonna set itself apart from the regular power sword.

[pseudo fiber]

heat system

[hybrid plover]

I figure it's gonna have the heat mechanic but I'm guessing that also means it's probably going to be somewhat worse in pure damage.

Since that's kinda how the relic blade and power sword currently relate to one another right now.

[tropic notch]

I wonder if this will be a shared weapon

[hybrid plover]

I honestly doubt it'd be shared.

[tropic notch]

Either way I’m excited

[hybrid plover]

Power falchion seems really vet coded to me.

[hybrid plover]

And fatshark did say vet specifically was getting a new weapon this year.

[pseudo fiber]

no doubt in my mind it's exclusive

[hybrid plover]

The real question is, will it actually set itself apart enough that people can find reason to use it over the current power sword

Because given that it does look decently short, I could see it being more mobile too.

[surreal rune]

holy fuck new enemy?

plasma gunner

[tall torrent]

Vet exclusive most likely

[primal zealot]

make it ogryn exclusive

[void dragon]

No, give us the power knuckle dusters instead

[primal zealot]

yesssss

powered and unpowered variants pls

and the HAMMER

[void dragon]

Orgyns deserve the hammer, they are worthy

[primal zealot]

and welding mask back in shop so i can properly cosplay tagilla

[rough adder]

I mean you answered your own question, the biggest thing that drives people away from using powersword is its mobility so even just a better mobility is good enough

And having a heat system means much less mandatory down time when attacking, which is another big annoyance when using power sword

[hollow ibex]

if it gets relic blade mechanics, psword would get nerfed

[faint beacon]

Vet being a dried husk now having a bucket thrown on it till Rework happens

if its true we're getting a weapon

thank god