veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

for single target

and at least in my test against crushers, the dps was pretty similar to mkvii

yeah maybe will try again just out of boredom

i remember the bleedaxe build being ok

[faint beacon]

I just heavy loop with Special mixed in tbh anything with carapace usually is getting stunned out of their attacks

[hollow ibex]

for IV?

[tall torrent]

Heavy diagonal has lower carapace damage than the 1.5 clv light atks due to worse ADM but has much better finesse which is higher damage on a crit

[faint beacon]

IV and VII

[tame lodge]

Heavy vertical

[tall torrent]

And tac axe is basically crit dependent to kill anything notable

[tame lodge]

Such a mid weapon

https://tenor.com/view/crying-one-piece-anime-gif-4502646032764566609

Mk4s uppercut is ~100 Dmg off from killing a bruiser on weakspot non crit

[crimson wyvern]

You could fix Tac Axe tomorrow by allowing the player to throw it and giving it the power of Ogryns Rock at the cost of a short cooldown to get it back/having to run over and pick it up again

[tame lodge]

Notice how the cap would still be there

#nooticing

[steep flower]

Bardin throwing axes

[hollow ibex]

idk if i never got crits or what lol

[hollow ibex]

rip

[tame lodge]

Also don't worry

[crimson wyvern]

yesss

[tame lodge]

Taxe should have innate crit chance

To help fishing for crits

[crimson wyvern]

I think the problem might be is Fatshark probably want every weapon to have a THING and not repeat that THING

[tall torrent]

You didn’t believe in the gamble hard enough

[tall torrent]

They do

[hollow ibex]

i'm an atheist, so rngesus hates me

[tame lodge]

Yeah I know

7 to 12 or something

Depending on attack

Because reasons

[tall torrent]

No its 12% for all attacks except special attacks

It’s been standardized

[crimson wyvern]

someone told me that they intentionally make the combat system numbers complicated becuase they want you to not to know it inside out and meta it all

[tame lodge]

Oh good

[tame lodge]

If that's the case

[faint beacon]

So what I’m hearing is we should nerf the Helbore

[tame lodge]

They failed miserably

[faint beacon]

Truth nuke

[tall torrent]

They largely achieved it

Because u can say wildly untrue things and people will believe u

[tame lodge]

Not while I'm here

[tame lodge]

😭

Yeah ok
Good point

[crimson wyvern]

Please dont ;_;

[tame lodge]

Swedish games

🗣️

[crimson wyvern]

I love Helbore so much I think I'd use it even with a nerf, through hell and highwater

[tall torrent]

Helbore is like 2 buffs away from being perfect

[tame lodge]

Helbore took a massive L when they fixed the BM bayo shenanigans

But it has been taking massive Ws since

Can't stop the Krieg baby

[faint beacon]

Limb splitter bayo

[crimson wyvern]

Its definately not just a roleplay weapon like people think it is

[tame lodge]

Pretty sure I joined right after they removed that

So I didn't get to experience

[mortal aspen]

dattebayo

[tame lodge]

Believe it

🗣️

[crimson wyvern]

lord in heaven ive been seeing Perfionists icon wrong this entire time

[faint beacon]

Telling me you didn’t immediately see it as the keystone

[crimson wyvern]

i saw it as a keystone

[grand perch]

helbore is clear S tier but the vast majority of people keep sleeping on it

i wont complain, lees chance of a nerf that way

[faint beacon]

Cause it requires an extra braincell

Then you have ahem

Plasma…

[grand perch]

just yesterday i read an opinion that "helbore can be decent for maelstrom"

[tame lodge]

What did you see

[grand perch]

lmao brother

[crimson wyvern]

A hand with a plus and a pink orb

like it was a keystone thing

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/rose-glitter57-love-rose57-beauty-rose57-sweet-rose57-sweet517-gif-26383905

[tame lodge]

Understandable

But yeah it's a psyker hitting the Kaneki pose with the Perfectionism icon in the background

It was made when Perfectionism wasn't that great

It has been buffed since then

But I just can't make a better pfp

[tall torrent]

I genuinely think it’s not that far from being perfect

Nerf cleave by 90%, reduce charge shot’s ammo cost and raise charge shot’s unyielding ADM most likely would be enough

[crimson wyvern]

I use it with infernus/hotshot for the cleave, even with the nerf

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/biden-blast-joe-biden-biden-blast-gif-6547929686164862695

[crimson wyvern]

bidenblast

[tame lodge]

In fact I don't think I can make something better

And I have to finish some other sketches

(they won't be finished)

💀

[native ocean]

it's awesome but I get whiplash trying to use it after using any other gun in the game

takes a while to remember to charge shots and when I get a kill stolen while charging... 🥶

[crimson wyvern]

Even without the charge blessings it doesnt feel like the charge takes that long to me

are you taking charge rate on 80?

[native ocean]

yup, I think I dumped mobility on my hellbore

lemme check

[tall torrent]

There’s no mobility stat on helbore

[faint beacon]

Chat they don’t know about the H40 Cannon

[grand perch]

sorry but infernus is a tremendously bad choice on helbore

[tame lodge]

Maybe I should try another pfp

[faint beacon]

Surgical Infernus kinda existed solely for Pus

[native ocean]

uhhhhh

[faint beacon]

But we hate that modifier so thankfully it’s gone

[faint beacon]

Surgical is a MUST

Second blessing your choice

[tame lodge]

Stopping Power dump

[faint beacon]

But I’ve found value with Maniac Unyielding with IIIa

[tame lodge]

[native ocean]

I don't play veteran :3

[faint beacon]

Holy shit I didn’t even notice

Lmao

[crimson wyvern]

ammo is your dump stat

havoc players avert your eyes

i'd play havoc again but auric doesnt need the overkill damage

(nothing does in truth)

[native ocean]

ammo as the dump stat?

[tame lodge]

There's no such thing as overkill
Why are you holding your punches against the heretics

[crimson wyvern]

ye

[tame lodge]

Are you some sort of sympathizer

[faint beacon]

Stability actually

[crimson wyvern]

it already has tons of ammo it doesnt need more

[tame lodge]

[faint beacon]

Cause Helbore stability isn’t really effected much by the dump

[native ocean]

that just sounds so wrong though

[faint beacon]

That and casually ignores being suppressed

[native ocean]

god I do not like this class

[faint beacon]

Teehee

[crimson wyvern]

this is what you were giving up by dumping stopping power

[unreal forge]

yeah stopping power is actually damage for som reason

[crimson wyvern]

your giving up this with stability

[unreal forge]

60 and 80 stability are unnoticeable

[crimson wyvern]

your giving up only this with ammo

choice is clear to me

[native ocean]

actually hold on stability sounds like a much better dump stat

it's a semi auto weapon

[tame lodge]

Ooh I have an idea for pfp
Same pfp but I give it a smile instead

[native ocean]

another reason I don't want to dump ammo is I don't play survivalist aura vet

[crimson wyvern]

[unreal forge]

Apparently there's gonna be an announcement soon... Could it be that I can finally retire this meme?

[sly orchid]

where was the teaser

[crimson wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/maltesers-chocolate-candy-maltesers-candy-gif-10199679436549779095

[tall torrent]

Stability is dump

[native ocean]

yeah now that makes sense

[slim copper]

My mental health be like

[pallid mango]

who needs it anyway

look at seer

he is rocking

[slim copper]

Never let them (or yourself) know your next move

[plain jungle]

Hello. I've recently leveled up vet and trying out builds. I came to realise I dont like the left and middle keystones and wen't for the right one. Build is generally for mixing melee with ranged and helping team with shouts and grenades. In H40 I find lacking toughness regen and sustainability in general. Was wondering if you could give some feedback regarding my talents.

Im using combat axe for armoreds and spread shotgun for masses and armorless in general (tho I don't feel like doing any armor piercing tbh)

[narrow frost]

3 things I see

1 is no toughess Regen talent

2 is no damage reduction talents

3 is some weird point spends

It looks okay but you seem to avoid some of the food talents

[grand perch]

no iron will is...

[narrow frost]

A choice

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/w-gif-15656275064413132464

[narrow frost]

One sec

[hollow ibex]

The vet talent tree claims another victim 😭

[narrow frost]

you missing the toughness Regen talent at the top, and the damage reduction at the bottom middle, you over spend your points in WS. Exploit weakness isn't worth and should take the toughness node for pathing . The power on ult is debatable for the crit chance talent. Field improve is a choice, up to you

I could go more in depth but I gtg

[tame lodge]

• no precision

[plain jungle]

Thanks, I'll try it out.

Did he mean, that it's not worth taking crit?

Crit sounds like a good thing no matter what so I opted for that path above WS

[serene bough]

For the right tree you want to path through reciprocity, desperado, 25+ toughness, and trench fighter

WS sub nodes not needed except for the top left one on certain weapons

[mortal zinc]

Why so, exactly? Not enough RoI?

[plain jungle]

Im using shot gun so those 3,3% probably not worth it

[mortal zinc]

WS seems hyper-modular in that regard

[serene bough]

Vet tree is very tight for points and the other nodes for WS aren't that meaningful except for the one that reloads your gun

Especially useful for low clip size weapons like revolver or db shotgun

[turbid ibex]

or weapons with slow reloads

[plain jungle]

I thought it would be the opposite, the 3,3% i mean. If im missing all 9 bullets, it would reload 1?

[turbid ibex]

if you have only 1 stack yes

but thats 1 more bullet than you would have without the node

[serene bough]

Yeah but on something like a double barrel it'll just reload 1 of 2 shells

Which is very high value, so its mostly used on weapons with low magazine sizes

[plain jungle]

Makes sense

[trim badger]

Arbites essentially getting a 50% clip increase on sawed shotgun

[grand perch]

WS is very front loaded, the only 2 nodes commonly taken is Ws itself and always ready

youre too starved for points to take much else

adidng onto that, the deeper nodes are much worse as well

[turbid ibex]

ye they dont really do much

mfw they place a reload speed bonus behind the node that gives free reloads

[austere mica]

Weapon spec is highly bloated for no reason

[turbid ibex]

bloated as in?

[austere mica]

4 nodes nobody takes

Well

3

The toughness one sees occasional use

[turbid ibex]

tbh thats mostly cause the nodes just dont do much at all in their current state

[trim badger]

Am I the only Focus Target enjoyer

[turbid ibex]

combined with the huge amount of tax nodes vet has you cant afford to get those other modifiers on WS

[hybrid plover]

Tbf the node that gives you 20% toughness on switching is actually pretty good but vet is just too taxed to be able to reasonably take it.

Too much that it has to compete with

[turbid ibex]

if vet didnt need so much point investment to reach stuff and those 3 modifiers were more useful i wouldnt say the keystone is bloated

[trim badger]

Focus target is a free keystone

20% moar damage, right below bring it down, no need to use any nodes below it

[tame lodge]

Nah

I often play as dedicated marksman and I like it

Free yellow

If not yellow then it's MMF propaganda

[grand perch]

if its yella, you got cider fella!

[turbid ibex]

its def not weak

[tall torrent]

it's not 20%

[turbid ibex]

but its just boring as hell

[tall torrent]

it's 8.16~21.6% fluctuating

[tame lodge]

Also like
Funny stamina generator for dclaws parry spam against 500 ragers

[trim badger]

Fluctuating based on what tho

[tall torrent]

number of stacks

[trim badger]

Oh bruh

[tall torrent]

2 stacks is ~8.16%

5 stacks is ~21.665%

[trim badger]

How tf is this coded

Is it too hard to make 4% each

[tall torrent]

x1.04
each stack is a separate multiplier

so 2 stacks is x1.04 x1.04

[trim badger]

Oh god

[tall torrent]

5 stacks is x1.04^5

because FT is a x%dmg taken multiplier

[turbid ibex]

thats funny

[tame lodge]

Fatshark math moment

[meager echo]

does plasma gun need superiority complex for breakpoint in havoc, mainly for specialist, gunner and reaper

[turbid ibex]

doesnt change the fact its a💤 keystone tho

[heavy rover]

Why does Fatshark have to make math so hard

[narrow frost]

It's the charm of the tide games

Figuring out the game better then the developers

I bet you some of them don't know their own math

[plain jungle]

@narrow frost wanted to ask. You pointed out upgraded kits (ammo and med) as questionable. While talent doesnt improve performance directlt, it feels like corruption cleansevand extra grenades are strong. So many time med kits are jus useless since rhe whole team is corrupted more than 50%

[narrow frost]

thats why I said its up to you

[turbid ibex]

but do they know their own meth?

[narrow frost]

It can help but its pretty rare to get value from it

if you feel like its worth 1 point go for it

its affects also are what some other classes can do already

arby and vet have grenade regen

and zealot can clense corruption

[plain jungle]

Thats always tje problem. Not sure which points to sacrifice.

[turbid ibex]

they can but isnt it extremely rare for them to run that aura over the 15% tdr one?

[plain jungle]

Zealot only for current wound sadly.

[narrow frost]

it works the same as the medkit

they both stop at a full wound of corruption

[plain jungle]

Med can go past wounds. From fully corrupted to full

[narrow frost]

it is but I still see it in every public lobby in havoc

[turbid ibex]

which means they took a 4 point tax to reach that aura

in the best case scenario

[narrow frost]

yup

[hollow ibex]

It’s a comfort pick but difficult to afford on vet

[crimson wyvern]

Kits will make your team thank you for it, but it does become a useless node if the other vet on the team chose to take it also

i try to have a build just in case the other person has the same auras/things as me

so a main build and off build

as I think auras dont stack ever on anything

[narrow widget]

that is if the teammates even notice it lmao

[crimson wyvern]

Doesnt matter if they notice it, you know they got their grenades back, you know they healed their corruption. They just must have thought they didnt take the damage or just didnt spend the grenades.

Something something that one futurama episode. "When you do things right, people wont be sure you did anything at all"

[sudden cedar]

So many veterans don't take Field Improv, it is a rare blessing when it does happen

And i'll notice it every time

[crimson wyvern]

My field improv build if anyone cares. With the no-shout zain (Auric and below only)

[narrow frost]

Competitive Urge mentioned!!!!!!!!!!!

[crimson wyvern]

its always up

[inland orchid]

I love ammomuling, always happy to supply a gungryn or something similar build wise with hella nades

Sadly not as cool as symbol’s tho, mines main foothold is voice of command

[tall torrent]

specialist, no, because superiority complex is elite dmg
reaper, maybe, helps to get 3hs kill easier but still buff dependent
gunner, yes, but also very buff dependent
by buff dependent I mean critical hits (guaranteed from WS), rising heat and gets hot stacks, red talents (like marksman and CQKZ)

it is possible but difficult to achieve gunner 1hs in havoc on plasma

it's a lot more practical to build it to 1 shot specialists

I personally recommend unarmored + maniac
unarmored for dreg gunner 1hs base game (can 1hs in havoc with extreme buff scenario) and dreg tox bomber 1hs in havoc (minimal buffs required)
maniac for both flamer 1hs base game and in havoc (required crit headshot with minimal buffs)

[tall torrent]

@meager echo perfect spec plasma gun
(the specific stat distribution here is deliberate)

[serene bough]

I use FT for H40 over WS

Team appreciates doing more boss DPS

[trim badger]

Waos a perfect godlike roll

Melk blessed you there

[midnight wyvern]

no (i realize this is an old message now but you're getting it anyway)

[muted peak]

no

its an amazing keystone

[tall torrent]

I spent 5M dockets on it

[trim badger]

Wait what

Why is it leaking 1% then

Is this from back when the itemization update was barely fresh?

[tall torrent]

before they fixed the rounding issue for stats

thankfully mine didn't round to diff values

[trim badger]

Lucky

[tall torrent]

I actually had a perfect one before this but it rounded to 68 charge rate and 72 thermal

[turbid ibex]

its alright

[tall torrent]

from 71 charge and 69 thermal

it was genuine bs

[turbid ibex]

i cant say its anything more cause its kinda 💤

[tame lodge]

I still don't have a perfect plasma

My current one is ammo dumped and I build it for 11 shots before overheating

[hollow ibex]

I remember this one

[crimson wyvern]

veteran for some reason

[sudden cedar]

There are devout and pious Veterans.

As they should.

[plain jungle]

What's with the 1% inbalance with weapon stats? Does it happen due to rounding up or something?

[slim copper]

Yep it's a rounding error

Somewhere a display function uses round or ceiling while a gameplay mechanic function uses floor or round

[tough tiger]

ITS EXTRA DAMAGE!!!
Hadron only gives these ultra blessed weapons to the goodest bestest varlets

[spark helm]

I haven't played around with what you put together for the helbore but this shit with the shotty is very solid. Shit fun too because I've been messing with shotties for a while but didn't play with enough slugs/hella choked full bore antics. This is fun hands down. Hell yeah

[spark helm]

Are any of those numbers from the error actually getting applied at all? It wouldn't be something to round up to a whole number in most cases probably but I'm genuinely curious if you happen to know.

[spare wolf]

Yall vets only purposes are providing ammo refund aura and yellow toughness stop having your own thoughts you tools

[upbeat rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/watermelon-eating-gif-21846771

[void dragon]

Imagine believing that the Dispenser class can do something else than being the dispenser class

[native rivet]

My purpose is to kneecap enemies with a shotgun

[narrow frost]

you fell for the dn...

[spare wolf]

Why is this one still have it's own thoughts?

[slim copper]

That's just a guess at what the source would be, typically if I see a number rounded differently in two places in software it's because one type of rounding function was one method while a different one was used in another. The error would be that it's not handled the same way both times

Either that or they're casting a float or double to an int and it's getting rounded that way

[spare wolf]

Act like a tool that you are

Ammo refund aura/Yellow toughness/Plasma pew pew is your only purpose ye pre servitor dispenser

[hollow ibex]

tbh

i've always had fantasies of being a vending machine

just sort of minding my own business

and handing out candy every once in a while

https://tenor.com/view/its-a-peaceful-life-galen-erso-star-wars-rogue-one-mads-mikkelsen-gif-26203910

now with vet in darktide, i can finally live out those fantasies

thank you so much, fatshark!

[grand perch]

trapper: "oh you dodged that? what if i just dont care?"

[faint beacon]

Burgle

trolled

[meager echo]

my ogryn has his first havoc game and its a 26. We told him it's damnation xD haha.

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/sentry-nest-tf2-engineer-tf2-engineer-engineer-gaming-gif-11734859417326837445

[sudden cedar]

Iam sorry, i did not hear a dodge tho..

But.. what the fuck is that projectile angle?

[native rivet]

Low hours

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-yap-yapper-yapping-cute-gif-17327495392257242852

[turbid ibex]

Kimty

[unreal nova]

What even is that graphics quality?

[sudden cedar]

Its a snipping from a video, what do you expect.

Of course its going to be garbage

Alright. Here.

@unreal nova Happy now?

[unreal nova]

Looks like high ping or crap shoot packet loss.

[sudden cedar]

Whatever you say, Skaven.

Have some cheese. 🧀

[cunning haven]

using Recon Lasgun, cant decide between
+5% crit

• 25% maniac
• 25% unyielding

[tall torrent]

Do crit + unyielding

[cunning haven]

im thinking it is probably the best choice. i tried playing it yesterday and mutants take a lot longer to kill.

like damage numbers wise i do much better unyielding, but stealing specialist kills quickly means more shouty shouty and less stress on teammates

[tall torrent]

Mutants have 3x melee weakness so it’s not rly worth shooting them most of the time

[cunning haven]

i didnt know that

could sort of feel it tho

[orchid hemlock]

shooting mutants

Don't mutants have resistance to range fire?

I don't remember

[turbid ibex]

interesting

[cunning haven]

i dunno. i just know that the maniac buff makes a huge difference trying to get the ability cooldown

[tall torrent]

No

[cunning haven]

i will have to play more but it feels like focusing down specialist helps the team more than bosses

[orchid hemlock]

Mutants are very weak to finesse based melee weapons

You headshot them once and they fold like a card 😈

[cunning haven]

i use power sword. is that bad?

[ember nest]

VETERAN IS GETTING A DOG!!!

[orchid hemlock]

People panic with them a lot because they try to shoot them instead of just poking them

[cunning haven]

huh?

[ember nest]

the devblog

we're being promoted to Arbites Jr.

the dog's name is "shredder"

[cunning haven]

yay 🙂

[orchid hemlock]

Best Vet weapons ATM are:

Knife, PS, DS, Rashad

[tall torrent]

It’s basically the best vet melee

And one of the best melee weapons in the game

[cunning haven]

yay

its very fun. i prefer to stand my ground than running around

[turbid ibex]

it basically does everything at the cost of being annoying to use

needing to constantly power it up

[cunning haven]

its bad mobility unfortunately

[narrow widget]

best vet melee

[cunning haven]

the power up is a non-issue once u get muscle memory down and block at the same time

[turbid ibex]

its still annoying and not really fun imo

[cunning haven]

fair enough

i like it 🙂

so... deadshot + blue recon lasgun
is it ever viable?

[turbid ibex]

if you want vet's stamina management to go from "bad" to "complete dogshit" yes

[cunning haven]

is it possible to mod the game so deadshot turns off when <50% stamina and turn back on at 100%?

without messing with aim

[turbid ibex]

doubt that

[cunning haven]

would be cool if the class iconic gave stam regen to counter the stam loss. or just straight up gave u crit boost

[turbid ibex]

would be cool if vet's stamina stats werent dogshit to begin with

[cunning haven]

class iconic kinda useless when you supposed to dodge. i use it once every 5 games at the begining of the mission

[turbid ibex]

nah its straight up useless

its pretty much the same as just uncrouching

[cunning haven]

you can use it to "pie" a piece of cover if enemies above but that is very rare

would be much better if you could use the side of cover as well

[cunning haven]

is vet good if u take both stam delay reduction nodes?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[turbid ibex]

they shouldnt even be nodes in the first place

[tame lodge]

0.5 delay is pretty peak

[turbid ibex]

vet's baseline stamina management shouldnt be this awful

[cunning haven]

tree also has a lot of tax

[atomic void]

bbbbut he's le shootie shootie class and u dont need that much stam!

[turbid ibex]

and then the tree decides to spit in our face and place them as grey nodes

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/potemkin-potemkin-buster-potemkin-gaming-gif-22359937

i cast command grab

[cunning haven]

at the bottom in 2 isolated branches

[turbid ibex]

vet's tree is just awfully designed

same for zealot

and psyker but its not nearly as bad as those two

[cunning haven]

zealot is strong tho?

[turbid ibex]

yes

the tree is still dogshit

absolute bottom of the barrel awful

[meager echo]

It's not that bad, I rarely find a situation where I have to runaway from something when I have my ps equip. I don't think the dodge distance is necessary at all. The only thing I find that I want more is attack speed. Without any AS node it feel very bad to use.

[grand perch]

that'd be straight up cheating honestly

[cunning haven]

i thought so too but looking at youtube half the videos are modded

[meager echo]

With enough attack speed, I think PS is one of the safest weapon to use tbh.

[fresh niche]

yes irl dog update

[turbid ibex]

the majority of those are ui-related mods or fixing bugs

[inland orchid]

Love me shovel

Shovel loves me back via lobbing a bunch of heretic heads off

[serene bough]

No, fortunately the best way to use deadshot is to not use it at all

[tame lodge]

Unironically all classes are really strong (darktide balancing is dogshit )
With zealot and vet tree being all 💀

[cunning haven]

yeah, is kinda grey area. like stuff that modifies audio cues, auto clicking and visuals.

[tame lodge]

Fix their tree and they break the game

(again)

(again²)

(again²)²

[serene bough]

Vet definitely is the weakest, but to be fair their 1 build is actually reliable and useful for havoc, so we got that going for us 🙂

[tame lodge]

Uh

2

[cunning haven]

they have a few no? exec bolter. plasma. recon?

[tame lodge]

Grenadier
Helbore are the only one that matters

(they have like 5)

Manstopper DB is slept on havoc wise

Which is understandable

Sort of

[serene bough]

What builds are these

Exe helbore or shout helbore

[tame lodge]

Helbore is just a generic dedicated marksman build

[cunning haven]

imagine if exec had infinite cleave

[tame lodge]

Exec Helbore Focus Target
Peak Helbore there

Actually not peak
Peak is MMF exec Helbore

Peak there

[serene bough]

Do people actually run exe MMF helbore for H40

[sudden cedar]

For a moment i thought Fatshark actually posted something meaningful in the news.

But no, just pets.

[serene bough]

Sometimes ill run exe MMF ilas for aurics

[cunning haven]

i saw 1 guy do it

[tame lodge]

The question you should be asking is
Do people actually run Helbore?

💀

Helbore is also slept on

Understandable

Most people can't aim

But MMF is often unnecessary for Helbore

[serene bough]

Helbore is good but it does have drawbacks

I just cant seem to figure out how to use for H40

Feels less useful than just running bistol or plasma

[tame lodge]

Dedicated marksman

You're going to be hanging back and sniping

Important targets first

[serene bough]

Left tree down to Marksman/Shocktroop/elite dmg and middle tree down to FT?

Im talking more point allocation and stat building

[tame lodge]

The usual

You can path through one motion for 27 points still

[hollow ibex]

what the fuck is this

how out of touch can you be

[tame lodge]

Then an extra on FT

28

They know what they are doing

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-sus-face-james-doakes-suspicious-james-doakes-reaction-erik-king-gif-14404252364057104628

[sudden cedar]

@hollow ibex It is the silent admission that they have nothing to show.

A whole lot of nothing.

[tame lodge]

Then one point on exec

29

[hollow ibex]

prob a blog post they were saving up for slow times lol

[sudden cedar]

Honestly? I don't really care about this.

But if i would, i would see this as a complete failure and an insult to those who just want one thing.

Proper, clear communication.

Even it if it is just, "yes we have something, no we can't tell you yet."

That is more than nothing.

[hollow ibex]

even three sentencies like "hi rejects! we are hard at work at X. we don't have much to show now, but we'll be in touch" is so much better than whatever tf this is

[tame lodge]

You know what's the worst part about this blog
The undebatable worst part

It's all cats

And only 2 dogs

Shit blog

[hollow ibex]

lol i didn't even get that far

[sudden cedar]

Well if you care about that, go ahead.

At its base level, this is really just nothing.

Less than nothing.

[tame lodge]

Yeah it's the casual Fatshark limbo

Nothing happens

[sudden cedar]

I have no idea about how community management and the likes work but..

[tame lodge]

So we start playing troll builds to feel something

[sudden cedar]

Surely, THIS can't be it, right?

[native ocean]

It's true

I change my melee and ranged weapons randomly after every mission on gunker just to feel something

next up will be hsword

[tame lodge]

I'm playing ghost lasgun zealot

[hollow ibex]

good choice

[tame lodge]

Lobotomy Darktide

Nothing happens

They give us nothing

[native ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/muerto-gif-16250174877271582365

[tame lodge]

And what they give we hate on

[tame lodge]

There's no winning

For no one

[sudden cedar]

I am just confused.

[hollow ibex]

mk6 best mark

[native ocean]

It's really fun when you manage to do an entire mission perfectly lining up the heavy attacks

[sudden cedar]

Ah. Hold on let me go through it again.

[turbid ibex]

its right at the end

[native ocean]

It's like p ranking darktide

[tame lodge]

Oh you hope for something better

[sudden cedar]

It is right at the end, at probably the worst placement.

[tame lodge]

Yeah it's understandable

But at the same time

[hollow ibex]

i didn't get that far

[tame lodge]

This is another Fatshark classic

[sudden cedar]

If you post something nothing like this, post it at the beginning.

[tame lodge]

💀

[sudden cedar]

Since its the only important bit of information anyway.

[tame lodge]

Last time we where in limbo

They dropped art

💀

[hollow ibex]

they have to distract you with cat pics first before they give you the real news (there is no news)

[native ocean]

I mean doesn't FS always do quarterly content updates at about the same intervals?

one content update per season

[sudden cedar]

I can't be distracted by cat pictures because i don't like cats.

Neither do i like dogs.

[hollow ibex]

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/black-majestic-chad-looks-maxxing-gif-12399243495294132769

Based

[unreal forge]

lol

[serene bough]

Do u take marksman/demo team or use the last 3 points for melee nodes

[tame lodge]

I personally don't take Marksman but it's an option

And Helbore is dedicated marksman

So I don't use melee that often

So no melee talents but it's an option

[serene bough]

I see

May try some day but going into H40 without a pre-made and no shout is probably going to attract some scorn

[steep flower]

Use mk3a, run shout, focus target & marksman; shoot heads, can’t get simpler than that

[serene bough]

Does it hit 1hko breakpoints on crushers/reapers

3a is the heavy hitting one right?

[steep flower]

Can stun a reaper due to falter; you don’t use it on crushers

[steep flower]

No; middle one

[serene bough]

Ah I see

It'll 1hko both gunners?

[steep flower]

Can

Do not pay alot of attention to breakpoints; pay attention to your own skill, awareness & reaction timing

[serene bough]

Hmm

What is 1hko breakpoints contingent on

Number of FT stacks?

[steep flower]

That one i did not test; just tag as you shoot; even 8% debuff can go a long way

And you can help your team if a boss comes by tagging it at 5 stacks & keeping it on it

[serene bough]

I just really dont like if 1hkos aren't consistent on marksman rifle

Id like to take helbore knowing I could reliably 1hko gunners

I guess you could with the heavy rifle but its very slow

[steep flower]

That you’ll have to cope with

[hollow ibex]

you can get very consistent breakpoints

[steep flower]

Many weapons have 2 shots on gunners and are considered good

[hollow ibex]

you just ened to wait for surgical to stack

tbf it's not like it takes that long

[turbid ibex]

ened

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/btweers-treyreloaded-gif-13700830058131647973

[serene bough]

This is make or break for me

If it weren't the fact that its a dedicated marksman role id accept a 2hko breakpoint

May just have to try waiting for surgical i guess

[tame lodge]

Just use mk4

It's the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game

It's consistently 1 shotting stuff

[steep flower]

Just slow af

And dogshit special

[serene bough]

Would 8 FT stacks help at all

I know its usually not good idea to take

[steep flower]

Impractical

Too slow

[serene bough]

Mmmmm

Yeah

[tame lodge]

You won't take 8 stacks

[tall torrent]

If u spec for it yes, on a crit weakspot

[tame lodge]

Ft is best used as tag kill tag kill

[tall torrent]

But it’ll require unarmored as perk

[tame lodge]

Waiting for 8 stacks is 💀

[tall torrent]

Which makes it worse vs reaper

[tame lodge]

So accept that you'll have at best 2 stacks

[serene bough]

How long to kill reaper

3-4 shots?

Assuming you take unarmored

[steep flower]

3 to my knowledge; dunno for sure but marksman and headshoting does its job

Cause weakspot dmg stacking

[tame lodge]

1 or 2

4k vs 2000 damage

[steep flower]

And falter will ensure a stagger on weakspot charged shot

[serene bough]

So its surgical + falter for blessings

And perks unarmored + flak or maniac

[tall torrent]

~same as plasma

[tame lodge]

Shouldn't need maniacs

About 1k damage BODY shot

[steep flower]

What about flamers?

[tame lodge]

They have what

2100 HP on havoc

Base CRITspot should be 1500

On the V

Lemme see the 3

1900 base CRITspot against maniacs

And of course on the goat mk4

2377

[serene bough]

So maniac not needed on heavy one

Maybe I just need to get better at using it then

Will try later after work

[tame lodge]

Just go straight into Mk4 main

All the others don't hit as hard

[serene bough]

Ill try both

I do like hitting hard though

[tame lodge]

🫡

[serene bough]

Mk4 with exe does sound very meaty

[steep flower]

I might be too much

But if you use the ogryn highlight its gonna be good

[serene bough]

Ill have to experiment with my preferences

If i feel like im dying too much ill stick with shout

[tall torrent]

Maniac on IV is for flamer 1hs regardless of crit

It’s a consistency pick

[serene bough]

I see

Does heavy still hit 1hkos on gunners without perk or does it also need unarmored

[muted peak]

I HATE gunners

[tall torrent]

Don’t need unarmored, just need crit headshot

[hollow ibex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1nf6vlf/kitefin_is_leaving_as_cm_to_be_replaced_by/

That was fast?

[sudden cedar]

🦈

[grand perch]

@unreal nova for new CM, vote now

[void dragon]

In Karien I believe

[tame lodge]

Karien trying to manage the community but the 300 ping kicks in

https://tenor.com/view/by-the-nine-im-tweakin-elder-scrolls-skyrim-gif-25519944

[unreal nova]

Just expect everything on a delay, how bad can it be considering it's Fatshark?

[novel saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-gif-6612655232239288727

[unreal nova]

But seriously, I'm very bad with people as you can tell. 50/50 is the best bet. Many hate me tbh, and I would say I don't think I can deal with the stress.

[steep flower]

Use 2 gunner resists and they won’t be a nuissance; only shooters are a real threat

[steep flower]

Wtf who would hate you? For what?

[sharp epoch]

we dont need a cm named karen 😤

[steep flower]

Its karien you American

[unreal nova]

My opinions. And the fact I'm not exactly stable at times.

[steep flower]

Ayyy just like me minus instability

[unreal nova]

Mood swings is minor tbh.

[steep flower]

Thats like every woman tbh… and man but we usually just don’t show it - societal pressure of being strong & unfaltering & shit

Moment a man shows emotions its downhill from there

[unreal nova]

Oh, but most don't have it on a literal swing and it only gets worse half the month.

[steep flower]

Ye women have their ‚special time of the month’; men have testosterone on the other

[unreal nova]

I can go from happy to want to hurt myself to feel better in a few hours... and nothing changed inbetween.

As in, nothing happened...

[steep flower]

Ye thats something a therapy might fix but you need to feel you want a change

Otherwise its forcing and that is no bueno

[covert fable]

Real

[unreal nova]

Eh? Unless you mean to mask it. It's not really something that will help. Maybe mood stabilisers but nobody will believe me nor are they affordable on no insurance anyway.

[covert fable]

Mood swings or is it a disorder

[unreal nova]

No idea, been that way for ages. I can tell on worse days though.

[covert fable]

ah

[steep flower]

Therapy will tell for sure

leave it to the professionals

[covert fable]

the voices?

[unreal nova]

Too expensive for them to just say hormonal because female.

Gotta be born with a thing for them to be serious.

[steep flower]

you don't know till you go & try

cause what you described ain't normal

[slim copper]

Oh don't worry mental health professionals are more than happy to dismiss the issues of any gender

That being said a lot of it is probably built on research done on men and doesn't even apply to others

[steep flower]

this assumption is laughable propaganda; reminds me of my ex'es mother who was very adamant against therapy for my ex cause therapist do nothing & shit (meanwhile she was a complete narcissist & control freak)
No offence

[slim copper]

I think it's highly dependent on the healthcare provider, not unlike any other form of healthcare

And what the culture surrounding that healthcare field is like in that part of the world

[steep flower]

private; they are best choice for quality

[unreal nova]

This is hilariously true.

[slim copper]

There's definitely plenty of people who distrust healthcare providers without a basis but there are certainly those that have a reason to feel that way

[steep flower]

no its not

[slim copper]

Not American I assume

[mortal aspen]

private healthcare isn't interested in curing you

[steep flower]

ofc; still healthcare here ain't better; if you want health to be taken care of you go private otherwise you wait months/years for an appointment

[mortal aspen]

they want you to be sick for as long as possible

[unreal nova]

It was like ages ago. They just called it puberty hormonal issues.

[slim copper]

See now you look like you're spreading ignorant propaganda to me

[mortal aspen]

if you're healthy - you don't bring them money

[steep flower]

you're an adult now tho

[unreal nova]

This is after telling them that i get bullied to heck in school and self offing attempts.

[steep flower]

they have enough ppl to never go without work; trust me

[steep flower]

bad therapists then; those happen; i had a displeasure too

but you need to keep searching; its not like everyone are like that

[unreal nova]

Because of being forced to spend $250 per session till they are sastified to let me go back to school. Bullies got off scott free and I get more beatings since it costs parents a fortune.

[covert fable]

it can take a while to get a good therapist

[mortal aspen]

also it's true, doctors distrust women, I think everywhere in the world

[covert fable]

You are unlikely to get a good therapist first try

[slim copper]

This guy never saw the article about the pharmacist in America who killed 6k people handing out diluted chemo drugs lol

[mortal aspen]

especially female doctors

[steep flower]

250 sounds like a massive exaggeration

[mortal aspen]

nobody hates women more than other women

[covert fable]

real

[slim copper]

Brother that is literally nothing compared to how much healthcare costs here

[unreal nova]

Don't ask me, I got yelled at by parents on it. They were not happy I didn't just let myself get bullied to heck and not fight back after being ignored by everyone for so long.

[slim copper]

That's low end cost for a therapist even if you're insured

[steep flower]

i payed way less for each session

[covert fable]

If you want free therapy, a psych ward is good..

Unless youre in america

It may cost you

[slim copper]

Yes you live in an actual country

[steep flower]

Poland ain't that great in terms of healthcare believe me

[slim copper]

Not a bundle of corruption held together with duct tape

[steep flower]

lmao no; don't

[slim copper]

Bar is pretty low

[covert fable]

Ofc not heh

[unreal nova]

Is more like, mental health was treated as a joke for ages.

[slim copper]

Also this

It wasn't even a field 50 years ago

[covert fable]

Feel like it still is

[mortal aspen]

my friend lives in Poland. he says he has to wait a month + to get simple test results
he travels to his home country to get the same tests done in a day

[unreal nova]

Autism is basically, you are basically barely functioning.

[covert fable]

Can be many things

[slim copper]

Believe it or not this is still preferable to a lack of access

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but it was treated that way till more 'modern' times.

[covert fable]

Yes

[unreal nova]

Is getting better. You can actually see one without spending $1k a month.

[slim copper]

Hard to have a significant historical body of medical research on genders and races you didn't consider people until the last hundred years

[unreal nova]

And mind you... $250 when a meal costs $3...

Yeah... it's insane.

[covert fable]

250 is a lot

[steep flower]

depends on what you wanna have done

[unreal nova]

That was back then...

Now a meal outside is like $8 with drink.

[steep flower]

gay?

[covert fable]

Yeah

Like minimum £7

[steep flower]

thats like... acceptable

[covert fable]

mmmm inflation

[unreal nova]

Cheapest end is like... $4.50+$1.80 meal+drink.

[slim copper]

I don't really consider gay a gender or race but sure any gay community specific ailment is probably not as well studied, like how aids was not taken seriously or studied much at first since it was just "gay plague" to the rest of the world

[covert fable]

That is like the uh

local spots yes?

[unreal nova]

Economical rice. 2 veggies, 1 cheap meat.

[steep flower]

we have 'milk bars' in poland that serve cheap food & fast

nice quality 2

[slim copper]

Fascinating I would try this

[covert fable]

Milk bar

qhat

[steep flower]

they are a relic from communist poland

[steep flower]

its a soft translation

[covert fable]

Ah

[slim copper]

Oh lmao I read milk bar and thought of a food product, not a place to get food

I thought "milk bar? Like milk loaf? Like cheese?"

[steep flower]

'milk bar' were called like that cause in communist poland food shortages were a thing and foods made out of flour & milk were cheap; various types of dumplings, soups, cheap cuts of meat ect.

[slim copper]

The food does look legit especially for a cheaper / hard times offering

[steep flower]

A bar mleczny (literally translated as "milk bar" from Polish) is a Polish cafeteria which offers nutritious meals, usually traditional Polish cuisine at low cost. Although the idea of this type of establishment has its beginnings in late 19th and early 20th century, it was popularised and developed in the Second Polish Republic in the interwar period, and after the war in People's Republic of Poland. Similar bars were opened in other countries, including Great Britain and United States, also called 'milk bars' and often offering the same idea: cheap and nutritious meals based on cheap ingredients like milk.

[covert fable]

Ahh

[steep flower]

when you're hungry you don't get picky; you eat

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova 🤗

[steep flower]

today between work places i went to such a bar; ordered mashed potatoes, braized cabbage & chicken fillet in batter; the batter was wide as an omelette
it was all in nice portion & price... delicious too, hot & fresh

now that i think of it; i want more...

[unreal nova]

Is okay. Am good. Just... stupid past stuff, you know.

[steep flower]

oh btw as of milk bar prices; those are from 2019 still but puts you in a perspective

its zł btw

[slim copper]

Legitimately didn't know Britain or the US has these as well, pretty cool

[steep flower]

for comparison;
1 dollar = 3.62zł
1 euro = 4.25zł

[steep flower]

alot of polish ppl established their own lil enclaves in those countries just like chinesse did in USA for example and thus they brought their culture and with it - cuisine

[sly orchid]

i cant read this but can i get boneless wings for 2 euros

[steep flower]

you can get friend chicken for 6.50zł = 1.53 euro

[slim copper]

I'm sure a lot of those other countries welcomed cuisine that actually knows how to handle cabbage

[steep flower]

we poles love cabbage

[slim copper]

Dang imagine how cheap the enemy chicken is

[steep flower]

tomato soup with noodles/rice is 2.50zł = 0.59 euro

[covert fable]

That soujds good

[covert fable]

wow

[steep flower]

today i payed 28.50 zł for the meal i talked about earlier

thats...

6.70 euro

[covert fable]

.

[steep flower]

remember tho; it sounds insane to ya cause you earn euros; i earn zł

so technically way less if we consider monetary values

for same work

[covert fable]

£

[sonic kayak]

Pound it out

[steep flower]

that would be 5.8 then

[covert fable]

yes

[steep flower]

hows food price then on your end in comparison?

[covert fable]

hm

[jade flower]

I officially have three more penances to do as veteran and I have done them all as both ogryn and veteran!

[covert fable]

restaurant setting - £10 - £100+ for like a main + side + desert + drink

uh

I believe for fast food chains it can be like £7 + for a meal

Uh some local food places are very cheap, like £3 for some food

[jade flower]

I have a quesiton about the combat knives. Is there something I'm missing about them because I seem to just suck when I use them.

[covert fable]

They are good to kill disablers

uh you can pull out a bolter faster if you throw a knife as you swap bolter

[hollow ibex]

good mobility stick, ok horde damage, poor horde management, good single target

you will generally want to use mk6

[unreal nova]

I think they mean the knoife.

[hollow ibex]

mk3 is good on like one build though, and it's fun

[covert fable]

oh

oop

s

[unreal nova]

The funny speed stick that still is good for stabbing.

[jade flower]

Hm, what would be a good ranged weapon to use with the knife then ideally?

[covert fable]

are you in havoc

[jade flower]

No I'm doing auric

[covert fable]

oh

[hollow ibex]

anything really

but you should take frag nades with knife

to cover the weaker horde clear

[jade flower]

I could do lower difficulty I just have a bit of online mascochism that makes me like to do the hardest difficulty.

[covert fable]

anything goes in auric

[tropic notch]

Dbarrel

[tame lodge]

Double Barrel

[jade flower]

I can't one of my penances is to use the krak grenades which I've nearly completed.

[tame lodge]

Agripina Braced Auto

[unreal nova]

So... You doing H40? Heh.

[tame lodge]

Recon XIV

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f4191b1-b827-4295-bf1c-f7d37b862778/terrible-vet-dbknife-build @jade flower

[jade flower]

Highest I've got was I think like 19? I haven't done it in a while as I've been playing veteran and not my ogryn.

[jade flower]

thanks!

[hollow ibex]

well you can make do with kraks

[tropic notch]

You can use any mk of knife on vet I like 6

[jade flower]

NOOOO I ACCIDENTALLY SACRIFISED MY SHOVEL

[turbid ibex]

pog

[jade flower]

wait no false alarm I changed the cosmetis on it and didn't recognise it.

panic attack ended.

[sonic kayak]

Terrible

ly good

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/evil-hatchetmancer this one sucks too

[unreal nova]

Is more of a joke on, masochism on hardest content.

[jade flower]

Most people know what they're doing on higher difficulties. Then there's me - who doesn't know jack.

I want to also state the first mastery weapon I got was the shovel. Coming straight from ogyrn I thought the sound it made was funny so used nothing but that for a while.

[unreal nova]

WDYM?

[jade flower]

I am bad at doing higher difficulty I am lucky there's better players that carry me

[sudden cedar]

@jade flower You'd be surprised how little people actually know.

[unreal nova]

He doesn't know how I play, lul.

[turbid ibex]

yeah with how much you carry games it lets a lot of people end up at higher difficulties when they really shouldnt

[jade flower]

My main goal other than to finish the penances on veteran is try and do 10 games of auric without a death.

[sudden cedar]

I enjoy those players being there.

I don't enjoy them leaving the moment they go down.

[orchid hemlock]

Shrimple, just play Zealot 😈

[muted peak]

I have no issues dealing with a small group of them, the issue is they sometimes come unto the squad continuosly and down everyone by order, or there is a bigass group that deletes everything

Those spams are the worst

[orchid hemlock]

Gunners in normal games or gunners in Havoc?

[muted peak]

Guys anyone solved error code 3013?

This damned error is kicking me for 10 minutes straight

[orchid hemlock]

Of course

I cracked the Linguine Sequence 😈

[muted peak]

Normal, can play havoc if I can have you as a party member

(Couldnt find one, except papa willy)

[muted peak]

What is the method?

[orchid hemlock]

Normal Gunners are pretty trivial for me at this point

But I don't know if it's because I just am used to them

[orchid hemlock]

Use the Pinocchio Code

[muted peak]

What?

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah, then apply the Pythagorean Theorem

[muted peak]

Not funny

[jade flower]

get a old mechanicus priest and a young mechanicus priest and let them perform the rite of pneumatic percussion.

[narrow frost]

He isnt going to be able to help you

its probably a server error/connection issue

sadly, recently alot more of these errors are popping up

[orchid hemlock]

If I could fix my own errors I could

[narrow frost]

you can check your connection and restart your game and try again

but if that doesnt work there isnt much else

[muted peak]

Great, no stress reducing today then

I love fatshark's servers ❤️

[narrow frost]

Darktide is not in a good spot rn sadly, and haven't been lately

if you wanted to, solo mod doesnt have error codes

if you wanted to try out solos

[jade flower]

Really? I've been fine lately other than getting my ass handed to me due to that event that was on.

[muted peak]

I already did, especially in this local time 11.40-00.30 these damned errors are frequent for me, dont know why

[narrow frost]

error codes, balance, and the community mentality have been the lowest in a long time

[muted peak]

Today is abother case tho it wasnt this bad

[narrow frost]

its like that sometimes

Doing havoc 40s and DC'ing 5 times in 1 match should not happen

thats why I mostly quit darktide

its not stable

[muted peak]

I swear these servers know what they are doing and love trolling us

[jade flower]

comminuty mentality? Are you calling my ogryn brain stupid?!

[muted peak]

Just like kx said, mischievaous machine spirits

[muted peak]

And when you finally get to the end, game kicks you again and you miss the final fight

[narrow frost]

atleast solos are fun

was able to finish my havoc 40 solo because I wasnt playing online anymore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oHDuxY-yyA

[muted peak]

U wild man

I still die to heresy

[narrow frost]

and thats fine

everyone has their own comfort level

I've spent 3500 hours in this game

[jade flower]

Losing is fun. So sayeth sacred Armok.

[muted peak]

Can u carry me at my havoc?

[narrow frost]

if I ever play again, sure. I always post in the NA lfg channels

[muted peak]

Damn

[narrow frost]

Losing is fun, I like it because it makes me think of what I could do better

not like winning is a good goal for me

since I get nothing from it

I already have 2 million plasteel, 1 mil diamantine, and 25mil gold

[muted peak]

[narrow frost]

and all the penances

[jade flower]

Speaking of ridiculous hours played on games. I have over 5k hours in CK2.

5.8k apparently.

[muted peak]

[jade flower]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-world-of-warcraft-wow-how-do-you-kill-that-which-has-no-life-no-life-gif-18347088

[unreal nova]

This is not gaslight mains. Stop lying to people.

[hollow ibex]

i'm still not over how much of a clusterfuck CK3 is by comparison

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-crying-tears-sad-frog-gif-11760285

[untold nymph]

I’m have tried out the infiltrate build

It was a grenadier one

I neglected the use of the taxe

Also which shotgun mark is the better one for infiltrate

[tame lodge]

Agripina is just the best shotgun

Although infiltrate makes me believe it's also a weapon specialist build

So Double Barrel with manstopper

[untold nymph]

I need more vet infiltrate build ideas

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/infil-fragger

was it this one?

[void dragon]

Honestly infiltrate for me has delved into frag grenadier ones with bolter, being able to drop aggro so you can set up a grenade carpet it's effective enough

[untold nymph]

Yeah that one

[hollow ibex]

yeah honestly most infil builds will be taking weapon specialist

and so your ranged options are pretty much revolver, bistol, DB shotgun

but it does open up a lot of melee options

in exchange

[void dragon]

Do we have an agreement on what is the best Inf build? I think I did a keystone-less build just to juice up melee and bolter shots but even if it kinda works don't think that's THE best

[hard oracle]

hey ainz what did u do your solo havoc 40 with? arbites?, also did you just play auric maelstroms with like a 2 man or something until you got to a point where you could solo it? or did you just beat your head on the wall in havoc until you got it?? bc me and my friend love duo or treio running auric maelstroms and I wanna 2 man some havoc soon

[narrow frost]

Arby, and yeah bascially. I've been playing this game for awhile, before havoc I was doing solo auric damnation/maelstrom. There is a bit of luck into actually winning that havoc run but it wasnt that much

[hollow ibex]

prob some variation of infil + WS

if you go infil, you might as well also take WS

[void dragon]

Don't know if I actually have a serious Infiltrate build, will try to craft something when I have time, thanks for the input mate

[mortal aspen]

gameslantern is speaking in runic or what?

[frank basin]

viking runic

it say "give me your big booty latina"

[void dragon]

"nerfs are in your future, your lucky numbers are 1 2 18"

[void dragon]

Honestly I prefer this interpretation

[tame lodge]

Man I got no iLas with ammo dump

https://tenor.com/view/ashton-hall-ashton-hall-gaming-game-gif-1787547143801600574

Ok got one

[lunar tendon]

sup guys, anyone have build for havoc please ? like tank with a little damage

[hard oracle]

i thought you said it was arbites did you dog or lone wolf, obviosuly you can use forceful and have a decently tanky melee class,but ive been doing some experimenting with more gun oriented builds and it makes me rage how much better he is with guns

than vet

[hollow ibex]

play arbi or ogryn if you want to tank

[hard oracle]

arbites is hitting multiple 3000 crits until his stacks get like in teh 10's to do tat with vet I have to run the plasma and thestupid ping thing and its only a single target and I will only get that crit on the target I marked and maybe only 2 shots that actually hit for 3k the arbites is htting those all day long with the mf boltgun

it makes me seeth

you can get away with terminus decree and just stacking to 30 and wrecking shit anytime you pull out bolt

[lunar tendon]

so wich build are guys use on havoc with veteran man ?

[hard oracle]

if you use castigator or ive bene playing with the idea of actually using the toughness blessing on bolt and bolt piss weird but actually makes sense here when I want easy ass toughness RIGHT NOW

[hard oracle]

plasma, grenade, shout man with that yummy survivalist

[hollow ibex]

ammo/gold toughness dispenser

[hard oracle]

tbh this is how hes feeling with arbites out now and its not right you CANNOT disrespect vet like that

Vet is a day one bruh

and fat shark just slimed his ass out for some guap

[hollow ibex]

don't worry

vet will be strong again once he gets his rework

in 2027

[lunar tendon]

do you have the gamelantern pls ?

[void dragon]

try 3040

[narrow widget]

[serene bough]

lately ive been using kraks alot but not beginner friendly

[lunar tendon]

thanks guys

[serene bough]

Bolt pistol + PS6 btw

the build nitoric posted is the most standard vet build for H40 though

[lunar tendon]

Sorry but what is PS6 ? i new with abreviations

[serene bough]

powersword mark 6

[lunar tendon]

thanks

appreciate

[narrow widget]

i mean yea usually when people ask this question it means "what is the standard build for ___"

[serene bough]

Im aware, just figured I'd share my build anyhow

Theyre new so I just figured I'd clarify

[grand perch]

I want a friend chicken

For that money, I could get lots of friend chickens. Enough to fill a havoc team

I'm sure they'll play better than most arbys

[faint beacon]

Arby slander in vet chat

[hybrid plover]

arbitrator is the worst class in the game

[junior grail]

So we had an update... on pets?

[tepid otter]

is it actually?

[hybrid plover]

might as well be at this point

siince anytime i see an arbitrator, i'm expecting them to fold like a piece of looseleaf paper at the conceptualization of adversity

seriously

the arbitrators ive been playing with as of recent

[narrow frost]

its almost as bad as a DN

[hybrid plover]

like, it's genuinely hilarious how bad they are

[tepid otter]

and here I was taking an interest in the class too

[hybrid plover]

okay real talk, it's actually abrasively strong

but that exact thing has caused a pretty significant case of the Dunning-Kruger effect

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-complicated-marc-good-grief-it's-not-as-simple-as-it-seems-it-has-issues-gif-12885990010577361491

[hybrid plover]

people crutching hard on how ridiculously strong it is so they never actually learn the proper fundamentals of how to play the game

[tame lodge]

Play it for the dog though

[tropic notch]

Crazy how bad players will still do terrible even while the BEST class in the game