veteran-class

[tall torrent]

And u do generate on right side just far less than left

[turbid ibex]

and having less peril generation makes it so staying at high peril is a bit more manageable

you just need to give that side more stuff like surety of arms or the one that makes blocking give peril

[tall torrent]

no because BCoB will just quell it for u

[turbid ibex]

then move BCoB or adjust it to better fit it

[tall torrent]

BCoB placement is fine

[turbid ibex]

like if it cant set your peril below a certain threshold

that would help with staying at relatively high peril but wouldnt set you to 0

[tall torrent]

I don't get the need to make right side the "unstable" school when that branch's name is literally "gunslinger" while left is "psykinetic"

[turbid ibex]

i dont see why thats relevant exactly

i think having more peril generation actually makes more sense for the quelling path too

[tall torrent]

you want to make the side that builds less peril to get more benefits from staying at high peril
and to make the side that generates a ton of peril be mainly benefitted from quelling peril and staying at low peril
???

[turbid ibex]

not staying at low peril

[mortal aspen]

I want Unchained Psyker 🔥

[turbid ibex]

quelling specifically

and the amount of peril they generate could be adjusted accordingly too

again we could give right path more stuff like surety of arms to let them get out of low peril faster with stuff that normally wouldnt build up peril

and i dont see the problem with the path that generates more peril to benefit from quelling

that just makes it so you get more peril for you to quell

[tropic notch]

That and a bit less tax

Like 2 or 3 nodes

[tall torrent]

no
zero new psyker weapons until 2045

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[tame lodge]

Sorry

Psyker buff next update

[tall torrent]

yea buff illisi

[hybrid plover]

Fatshark: We've heard your complaints and now all soulblaze procs are doubled.

[void dragon]

Psyker rework 2057
Zealot rework 3040
Ogry and Arby nerfs in 40000

Veteran Rework:
https://tenor.com/view/jim-ryan-lyan-gif-22450583

[tropic notch]

Nerf vet he’s too op

[void dragon]

Rework first (it will be weaker) and then some nerfs

It's only fair

[tropic notch]

I saw a vid of vets power sword he’s too powerful

[void dragon]

I saw how it can One-shot a crusher, definitely broken, it should tickle them when active

[tall torrent]

It’s not hard to make vet better by buffing his existing talents

It’s much more complex to fix his underlying problems

[turbid ibex]

also tree structure overhaul

[void dragon]

I know is not hard, but the idea of ObeseFish doing the rework is worth a fat J. Jonah Jameson laughter

It will never happen and only then will the new Vet weapon be released

[tall torrent]

Next 2 content drops this year are prob vet related

[tame lodge]

Next one is probably weapon + blessings related

There's some deactivated blessings in the code

It might be preparations

It might be nothing at all

Who knows

[void dragon]

Do we know what blessings are those? Maybe we will get the fabled confident strike Nerf on ogryn?

[sly orchid]

Superiority affecting specialists

But it isnt implemented yet

Thats all we can go off of

[turbid ibex]

for changes to existing blessings yes

but Perfectionist did datamine some blessings from the code

[sly orchid]

Haveng seen those yet

[jade flower]

out of curiosity which is the better variant of the recon lasguns? Or is there no real wrong choice?

[turbid ibex]

im pretty sure its the fastest firing one

with the most ammo

could be wrong though

[hollow ibex]

XIV is prob the best if you want to sweat in havoc

VIc if you want to sweat elsewhere

[jade flower]

thanks. I'd assume it's the faster rate of fire on for the crit + infernus?

[hollow ibex]

XII if you just want brrrrrt

[hollow ibex]

all of them usually run dum dum + infernus

[jade flower]

I'll give the VIc a go. See how sweaty it makes me.

[hollow ibex]

it's my preferred recon las for aurics

[jade flower]

thanks for the advise! Now if only I can get my 10 auric missions without dying done

[solid surge]

Funny numbers

[meager echo]

just got blamed because i did not take field improvisation

[hollow ibex]

rip

[meager echo]

dood got yeet out of map by plague ogryn then its my fault

idk what to say

[steep flower]

Apart from being clowned by plowgryn; he does have a point; always grab field improv

[meager echo]

its was okay till that moment 2 of my teams get yeet out of map

then its wipe

[tropic notch]

me when im bad

its nice but not needed

tell them to dodge more

[meager echo]

I can take that with the focus target build tho, but its more brainless to play with ws...

I hate reloading plasma gun

[turbid ibex]

Then dont reload it

Shrimple as that

[meager echo]

Most of the time i have to wait for chorus to reload, its tedious af man, even with the animation canceling.

[hybrid plover]

two flame psykers, an arbites, and me running knife, helbore and smokes on a civi and somehow, i had to try and clutch for them twice

OTL

I'm tired boss

[meager echo]

Yesterday i have a team run out of smoke aoe so range twin can throw nade. They panic when captain spawn with twins...

[ruby anvil]

rare all vet game with randoms lmfao

[midnight wyvern]

mayday trying to cosplay an arbites

[meager echo]

i take focus target, and it pure torture

melee feels like a slog

[tame lodge]

It's high havoc

[sharp epoch]

with ps you kinda want weapon spec

[tame lodge]

It's just a slog

All of it

[meager echo]

boss ogryn blame me, i have to go full aura bot ..

[sharp epoch]

let them blame you vet puts in more work with wep spec not focus target

[meager echo]

its doable but its so stressful

[sharp epoch]

like you still put up a lot of boss damage without focus target so i dont see the point really

[meager echo]

like im the only one to neutralize range, in desert or open map with many shooter, i cant even reload

its so stressfull

i feel useless af

[sharp epoch]

if you wanna be anti range id go the laspistol/helbore build

plasma more for just going for ranged elites/specials

[meager echo]

yeah, plasma ttk reaper is so ass

[tall torrent]

Yea vet is basically 3x effort for 1/3 impact

[sharp epoch]

its also sad but arby clears gunners and shooters way better and easier than vet

and specials

[meager echo]

but if i change to arbites no one accepted me

so i guess aura bot only..

[hybrid plover]

because no one likes arbitrators in havoc anymore

[sharp epoch]

gotta catfish them start ogryn then swap to arby 😼

[meager echo]

i lowkey want zealot to go something other than flamer tbh

help me with gunner

some good psyker always help me with the fast brain burst node

[sharp epoch]

honestly zealots options arent too great for gunners itd be more of a detriment because of ammo

[tall torrent]

Zealot basically only has throwing knife

[sharp epoch]

ogryn is probably the best with the heavy stubber

[tall torrent]

Even on boltgun they can’t use ammo sparingly

[meager echo]

i wish there are more accpetance toward off meta build in high havoc

at least in my sv

[sharp epoch]

youd probably have to host your own or have friends to be off meta

[tame lodge]

Fire shotgun for fire shots only suppression purpose

Technically normal shots would work as well

[hybrid plover]

i've seen a zealot rock agri shotgun before

[meager echo]

i prefer to just supress them then go melee, but most of the time im the only one with range in my teams

[hybrid plover]

they did pretty well actually

[meager echo]

so realistically i have to kill them

in big map like desert where gunner spread out its ...

[tall torrent]

It’s normal because havoc fucked most guns

[meager echo]

tbh, most of time people in 40 are chill. But sometimes one of them want something very specific.

I guess dont do 40 on monday.

[ruby anvil]

what are good blessings for the recon lasgun?

and what mk do y'all recommend?

[hollow ibex]

dumdum infernus is the standard

and general purpose prob mk6

[sudden cedar]

You can double down on infernus and take headhunter infernus instead

[junior grail]

Does anyone run Exe Stance?

[hollow ibex]

Doubling down on Infernus means taking dum dum because it’ll give more burn damage anyway

[sudden cedar]

Perhaps, but if the intent is to conserve ammo, applying them faster is also an option

[hollow ibex]

Headhunter is just a trap blessing on recon tbh

[sudden cedar]

Maybe it is. Might deserve some testing

[naive needle]

How does the infantry lasgun and recon lasgun compare for ammo efficiency, more charges per shot with infantry lasgun but seems like it does enough damage that your ammo should go further?

[meager echo]

i didnt know grenade gaunlet that strong

he just build heavy hitter like normal ogryn

[steep flower]

I never use flamer; unironically not that good as it is portrayed

[turbid ibex]

Ilas with maxed out ammo stat has an actual ammo count of 36/240 for the mk7, 36/212 for the mk9, and 70/448 for the mk2b

[steep flower]

Its the best special sniper weapon for Ogryn, better than heavy stubber in every aspect exept ammo & very long range which is rare to occur

[meager echo]

oh i saw him stand right in the middle of a pack of crusher and do the explosion punch

i dont even know what the hell is that

but its strong haha

[steep flower]

They are; all depends how you build it & what is your skill lv & situations you end up in; many variables, but it can be do

[meager echo]

this is the first time i got told to take specific node, never happen before

but im new to havoc so idk

he's very mad about it

[steep flower]

Its nice for some boss dmg & utility; if you wanna suppress you just shoot

[steep flower]

Headhunter low key underrated if you go for heads; both it & dumdum are good, i prefer infernus cause main str from recon comes from infernus and procking it and then hopping to another target to spread fire is better

[steep flower]

Its a meme

[turbid ibex]

The windup is too slow for it to feel that good

[steep flower]

About what?

[meager echo]

about me not taking field improvision

he said multiple time during the game

why so many vet take ws

[steep flower]

He do be right tho but should not be pestery too much

[turbid ibex]

Its his most fun keystone and its pretty easy to make use

[steep flower]

Cause they copy builds without thought and/or dunno better

[meager echo]

well the problem is, we lost the game due to a bad drop down

and he somehow turn it into the vet problem

i ping the dh

he dropped down what can i do

[turbid ibex]

Tax evasion is one option

[meager echo]

thats a known boss spawn as well

i dont even know why

[steep flower]

It was bad ye; especially since there was a daemonhost there; should have went to the left side of the area

[meager echo]

i mean it happen, i dont even feel bad about it

[steep flower]

He can’t cope cause he did a bad decision; ignore that bozo

[meager echo]

but his toxic attitude

make me dont want to play

[steep flower]

As i said; ignore that bozo

[steep flower]

Preferably don’t play with him unless like close friend or smth i dunno

[meager echo]

if he told me to take field improvisation i will change right at the start

but he didnt

and flamed me the whole game

I only do pubs run

[steep flower]

Ye fuck him

[scarlet crescent]

u've never seen bolter on zealot?

[meager echo]

i've seen a bunch of them

but mostly for boss only

some run i have psyker help with brain bursting gunner, its godsend

"D

xD

[steep flower]

I use
Bolt pistol
Recon las
Las pistol
Zarona revolver

[meager echo]

most players i met 40 are very good

like straight up make 40 easier than 2x 3x

[steep flower]

Try these; as a primarily melee class your range option is a flex; its best to take smth that helps at range for your team & helping out your primarily special/range threat dealer

[steep flower]

Opposite here XD most are dogshit
I guess Chinese are built different

[meager echo]

god damn man, i dont think ive met a bad one in 40

[steep flower]

Too common

Unless your definition of ‘good’ is warped due to experience

Can’t tell

[meager echo]

Like they always ping where to go, what to do

Just being average in their team is enough to win

[steep flower]

Nobody does that outside china

[steep flower]

Thats sometimes even hard to come by

[meager echo]

i wish more pros come to 2x 3x

to help people learn the game

[steep flower]

Wdym 2x 3x?

[meager echo]

i mean havoc 20+ and 30+, to lead newbies like me

i learn quite a lot in 40

but when i was in ~20 30 i dont know what to do most of the time

It's a like a different environment

good players don't join low havoc, newbies like me struggle to learn

[steep flower]

30+ is like a gatekeeping boss for many players

[steep flower]

Yeah its true; sometimes tho some help lower havoc lobbies but that rare

[severe jolt]

yes it's true
the first time is the hardest when you're trying to play havoc
because the random cunts won't even accept you into a team

[steep flower]

They dunno better

And then you see them reapply the que aka they lost

[meager echo]

I remember hardstuck in 32, then i change to korea sv, some randoms accept me to 40, then i get havoc forged.

After that i dont have problem joining 40 anymore.

But think mostly because I start havoc with arbites, i dont think i get rejected if I play any other class.

[severe jolt]

oh yes level 30
which is just above where you get the cosmetics
but below where you can get the true survivor title
truly the worst hell you can find yourself in

[grand perch]

I remember LoL elo hell

Havoc 30 ain't got nothing on that

[keen gyro]

i love playings 40s with my vet

schitzo gaming

[meager echo]

I think most people in 30+ have the mechanical skill, but they dont have adequate decisons making skill.

[turbid ibex]

What about fake survivor

[meager echo]

I heard about cheesing it with instant death, but i dont think the others, can 3 man most of the mission.

I think most are legit, unless someone else played that account for them.

[severe jolt]

I see a lot of people with the True Survivor title who just fucking suck at the game. I think they must've gotten carried.

[meager echo]

It could be due to the class they were playing.

Im suck at ogryn taunt

I know i can survive but, i dont think i will do any good for the team.

[severe jolt]

this is at least partially true
I tried doing havoc 40 as arbitrator
and it felt like a cakewalk compared to doing it as psyker or veteran

[meager echo]

initially i feel the same with arbitrator, then i try ogryn and vet. I think vet is more comfy than arbi due to ps.

Arbi i have some problem with ragers

[tame lodge]

PS is the best generalist in the game

If you remember to power it up that is

[steep flower]

Thats arby tho

[crimson wyvern]

trying to work out cleave, it seems like sometimes I get 5 enemies, sometimes I get 3, and sometimes I get enemies killed and not killed not nesseserily in order, sometimes it'll kill the front one, miss 2, kill 4 5 and 7

the bonus is it seems like cleave has no distance it wont work at

so if you kill one enemy in front of you that just so happens to line up with billy 2 miles away

it'll kill billy

[severe jolt]

dude that's what your blitz is for
literally all arbi blitzes will just fucking demolish rager packs

[tall torrent]

Depends on weapon

Most arb melee can break multiple rager combo at once on first hit

[tame lodge]

Fifteen thousand impact nodes

🗣️

[tall torrent]

6 out of 7 melee weapons can break rager combo on first hit

5 out of 7 can do it to >1 dreg rager at a time

[crimson wyvern]

that 90% players still dont understand what stagger and impact is

[tropic halo]

Play Ogryn for that

[crimson wyvern]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1mx2odp/how_my_brain_interperates_these_stats_after_900/

[scarlet crescent]

that's what the smoke is for

[tropic halo]

We need another crafting rework to just explain the weapon stats

[scarlet crescent]

fight at bad place

hold there

kekw

[severe jolt]

forget the stagger
99% of the players don't know wtf suppression even is

[tall torrent]

99% of players don’t know how to avoid ranged attacks

[tropic halo]

99% of players dont know how to play the game

[crimson wyvern]

Still playing Aurics with people shooting the burstors when theres clearly other team-mates to worry about in close proximity/going for the push

Im not calling anyone out, but what I will say is that its often the people with the recon lasgun.

[severe jolt]

they don't know there's an aggro mechanic
they don't fucking understand that pulling a shitload of aggro is a bad thing

[ocean idol]

because suppression does not matter lmao

[crimson wyvern]

The fucking trainyard on that one level, the long stretch before you have to get the 5 capsules and carry them back to base.

Saw a level 1000+ ogryn just run down that shit like there was no enemies, we failed that mission cause of his carelessness, Only one that hung back and got swarmed so brought the swarm to them

[ocean idol]

It does not matter when applied to you, it does not matter when applied to enemies

[mortal aspen]

except it does

[ocean idol]

If it matters, then you fucked up somewhere before that

[mortal aspen]

lmao

if you have to dodge, then you fucked up somewhere before that

dodge doesn't matter

https://tenor.com/view/poop-gif-21696855

[tall torrent]

It matters for 2 guns on the player side
And it matters when applied to enemies

[crimson wyvern]

Name the guns!

[tall torrent]

Infantry lasgun
Revolver

[crimson wyvern]

Makes sense. They feel like they were both probably the first two weapons made for the game

[tall torrent]

Pretty much everything else u don’t need suppression immunity cuz it falls into 1 of 3 categories:

1. No accuracy loss when suppressed
2. Minimal accuracy loss when suppressed
3. Enemies will be suppressed before you’re

[midnight wyvern]

chat, other than vet, what're some boss killing builds you'd use in high havoc? 30-40?

[tame lodge]

Alternatively
Zarona Shotgun Gunker

[steep flower]

Reapers

[steep flower]

Unless revolvers or ilas

[tall torrent]

Do u want the meme stuff or the normal stuff

[tame lodge]

Go for the meme 🗣️

https://tenor.com/view/sillazo-dale-con-la-silla-shrek-shrek-1-gif-2864790819576554587

[severe jolt]

yes seriously
why are you such a moron
why do you run into gunfire
I'm running the revolver I can kill the ranged enemies
I have a thunder hammer I can kill the armor
why the hell are you in there, getting shot to shit and beaten to pieces

[steep flower]

Thunder hammer
Rumbler
Twin link (unironically)
Chainaxe
Eviserator
BB with EP & KR (unironically)
Agripinaa revolver (its nice)
That one recon las build with all dmg buffs for weakspots & unyielding on vet

[severe jolt]

sometimes my teammates want me to kill them myself

[steep flower]

Euthanasia is a choice

[mortal aspen]

no friendly fire was a mistake

[crimson wyvern]

Luckily darktide already had PvP in the form of death cliffs and barrels and poxbursters

[steep flower]

I loved punishing some arrogant pepegas in v2 who thought they were hot shit
They always left when they tried to kill me but i killed them first

[tall torrent]

Friendly fire would make this game unplayable

[midnight wyvern]

normal prob, just aiming to have more options other than my build lol

[steep flower]

Atleast purgatus & flamer would be

[severe jolt]

The Accatran combat shotgun can put both bleed and burn stacks on enemies at the same time, if you take the Flechette blessing. It's pretty good.

[mortal aspen]

the current game yes

[steep flower]

Flechette is nice for agri & zarona but not for accatran soo much due to firerate

[crimson wyvern]

Power outage makes this game unplayable and it makes people pog out

[steep flower]

Skill issue

[crimson wyvern]

Try it on a screen with no HDR support

the blacks are all just pitch black

[steep flower]

Thankfully i’m not poor

[midnight wyvern]

woah

[steep flower]

Oh so just like France

Ok

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-naggers-excuse-me-what-what-did-you-say-gif-15629696

[tropic halo]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G0IdbTIa4AAqU4h.gif

[severe jolt]

Really? Because the one use case I have for flechette is using it on the Accatran for boss damage. Maybe it's not optimal then. But then, few of my choices are.

[turbid ibex]

Thank fuck friendly fire isnt a thing yeah

[tall torrent]

Borovian / branx pickaxe
Club on a taunt build (not as fast on its own but skullcrusher helps whole team)
Crusher (specifically on arb, same deal as club)
Eviscerator (needs good dps windows to be good, also needs FotF)
Thunder hammer
Duelling sword with relentless
Knife
Rumbler on a dedicated PBB spec
Twin stubber on a dedicated PBB spec
Boltgun
Infantry autogun V
Recon lasgun VIc
Helbore lasgun on dedicated range spec
There’re more but this is wat I can think of rn

[steep flower]

But tbh i dunno what that is; me & mechanical/electronic stuff is like trying to combine oil & water; they don’t mix

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe overall not as good as eviscerator atm for boss

[midnight wyvern]

legend

[turbid ibex]

Every single explosive blitz would instantly become useless

[mortal aspen]

yeah, you'd actually have to think about where to throw it instead of spamming under your feet

the horror

[tall torrent]

Some of these can be pretty silly if u meme build

[severe jolt]

childhood is having a power outage
having a POWER OUTRAGE is METAL AS FUCK

[tall torrent]

Like

[steep flower]

Forgot about branx; shit 2 taps captains if played correctly; very hillarious

[tall torrent]

There’s technically a best monster dps option for duelling sword

[turbid ibex]

In a game like this yeah thatd be horrible

[mortal aspen]

part of the reason why there is such a spam, imo, is that there is no friendly fire

[tall torrent]

Branx is at the very beginning

[midnight wyvern]

DS w/relentless on the copy pasta zealot build be good?

[steep flower]

As in i did

[turbid ibex]

Its definitely a factor

[tall torrent]

Highest monster dps for DS is relentless + precog but it’s kinda not as good as trading precog for uncanny overall

[steep flower]

Relentless strikes meme

[midnight wyvern]

[mortal aspen]

wait till reddit hears about this!

[steep flower]

Uh Oh

[midnight wyvern]

and with branx, im guessing you want to go taunt into HH and thats kinda just it

[steep flower]

I love the eyebrows you put on my eyes

[tall torrent]

It’s light spam lol

[turbid ibex]

But the biggest reason for blitz spam is both arb and vet replenishing a blitz every minute

[midnight wyvern]

lol

perma overheads

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1354901937123754054/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.03.27_-_15.35.42.01.mp4?ex=67e6fa42&is=67e5a8c2&hm=a47856fcac75107494cf26c7efa29737a9259fbd3e6c8760e84ac23993809fb5&

[steep flower]

Why not crunch & thrust?

[crimson wyvern]

For real though how fucking frustrated would you be as the plague ogryn here though. I'd immediately ask for nerfs to ogryn

[tall torrent]

Bosses are more of a sustained dps race

Again this vid is solo

In a team context skullcrusher can be way higher if someone else has good boss dps melee like power sword

[steep flower]

Thats why i mentioned chainaxes

[crimson wyvern]

Chax is good at something?

[steep flower]

Always was

Just ppl dunno how 2 build & use it

[tall torrent]

It does 1 thing better than every other melee 💀

[steep flower]

Or biased

[tall torrent]

But that’s it

[crimson wyvern]

Boss DPS?

[turbid ibex]

Skullcrusher boosting your entire team's damage by 40% is silly

[tall torrent]

No

[tall torrent]

It’s not 40%

[steep flower]

Single target stun

[turbid ibex]

Oh right theres some jank that makes it even higher right?

[tall torrent]

No

[turbid ibex]

Huh

[steep flower]

But its good at boss dmg; i can’t be an exception that can achieve it while others can’t 💀

[turbid ibex]

Guess im thinking of something else then

[tall torrent]

On successful stagger with an attack/push, and for each hit with attack/push while staggered, apply X stacks of skullcrusher, up to 8 stacks

Each stack is +10%Tdmg (this is not a x%dmg taken multiplier)

[steep flower]

Hol up; pushes can apply stacks?

[tall torrent]

Basically if attack staggers, apply 4 stacks (skullcrusher IV)

If enemy is staggered and u push attack, apply 4 stacks on push and 4 stacks on push attack hit

[severe jolt]

that's weird
I always thought the black people in darktide weren't black enough
I consider myself a level 99 racist so it's odd that I'd think there's not enough blacks

[tall torrent]

Yea

[turbid ibex]

So its actually +80% total bonus?

[tall torrent]

Up to

Yes

[steep flower]

Ok i rather make sure; JUST the push, not push attack can apply stacks?

[tall torrent]

…?

When you push attack
There’s a push action
Then there’s a push attack that follows the push

Both can apply

[steep flower]

As in; staggered enemy and i attack = stack
Staggered enemy and i push = stacks or no stacks?

[steep flower]

Thats what i wanted to know! Thx bby

Very handy 2 know

[tall torrent]

If attack staggers enemy, that attack applies

If push staggers enemy, that push applies

If attack hits a staggered enemy, that attack applies

If push hits a staggered enemy, that push applies

Best case of skullcrusher is crusher on arb

[tall torrent]

2 weapons can instantly max skullcrusher on an enemy
Crusher and power maul, both with activated attacks

Their activated attacks are considered 2 separate hit instances
The melee attack itself
And the explosion

[steep flower]

Thats why they can blow up untouched barrels too

Same for bolt pistol

And boltgun (maybe)

[tall torrent]

And, as for how much this 80% actually looks like

A normal havoc spec power sword build hits for ~3.9k on crit weakspot vs unyielding on energized push atk

With max skullcrusher it hits for ~6.8k

[tame lodge]

Speaking of Pickaxes
There's a blessing in the code that makes enemies take more damage on special hit
And no, that's not Torment

[turbid ibex]

Yeah my point still stands then

+80% damage to your entire team is silly

[crimson wyvern]

why do people in this chat go "Theres this one thing you can do that will make you win everytime............."

Then just never tell you the thing. Just say which guns and blessings your talking about I'm here to learn god dammit

[narrow widget]

there are a bunch of things you can do that will make you win every time

[turbid ibex]

sv_cheats 1

[crimson wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/sv-cheats-gmod-stranger-things-gif-26480102

[tall torrent]

U sure that’s not pickaxe’s innate special attack property?

x110% damage taken multiplier (stacks additively with soften them up & hard knocks)

[tame lodge]

It's on the weapon_traits section

So it should be a blessing

[tall torrent]

Who knows

I think Borovian can use a minor atk speed increase

But I wouldn’t change them too much

Don’t think that blessing would be that useful either cuz headtaker + slaughterer just better

Unless it’s like a x150% damage taken multiplier in which case it effectively replaces both thrust and torment for single target

[mortal aspen]

there's already a blessing that gives strength(?) after special hit

[tame lodge]

Yes that's Torment

[tall torrent]

Torment is already usually better than thrust for sustained single target

Thrust just hits harder for niche breakpoints

[tame lodge]

Torment is increase_power_on_weapon_special_hit

[tropic halo]

Use both

[tall torrent]

Headtaker exists

[tame lodge]

The one I'm talking about is targets_receive_increased_damage_debuff_on_weapon_special

[tall torrent]

What’s the value associated

[tame lodge]

So far there's only the number of stacks on proc

Higher value is 4

[tall torrent]

Is it 1

Oh

Then it’s new

Maybe best single target blessing if it’s released

[tame lodge]

I'm really waiting for Fatshark to do nothing with those

https://tenor.com/view/when-gif-19978445

[mortal aspen]

that's just the passive of the special?

it's mentioned in-game too

[crimson wyvern]

that gif being so overthetop for the such low sizzle zing comment is so fucking funny

[tame lodge]

That's the thing though

It's on the weapon_trait section

Which is basically blessings

[mortal aspen]

codes in mysterious ways

[tall torrent]

It says 4 stacks so it’s smth else

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's the worst part

😭

Fatshark also likes to leave stuff in the code and never do anything about it

[grand perch]

It's just to mess with you

Specifically

[tame lodge]

I know it's specifically against me

They are going to break into my home and bald my cat

😭

[tall torrent]

The entire havoc stagger override

[tropic halo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1406532695508389928/1319425963250942054.gif

[unreal nova]

Cat will win though, unless you have a Garfield.

[tardy arrow]

every day the promised 2025 vet weapon is closer to being the next "it's no longer a priority"

[tardy arrow]

what is this anti-garfield slander

[unreal nova]

Then laziness wins and cat just sleeps so...

[tardy arrow]

offer lasagna reward, and promise of no monday next week

profit

[tall torrent]

Remaining 2 content drop updates this year are prob new vet weapons

[tardy arrow]

most likely. although i do believe there'll be other classes included. focus will probably shift to vet and zealot as fatshark moves to rework their skill trees.

i forget the exact quote but at one point fatshark highlighted that zealot's tree was substandard and they were "giving it more attention" in the vein of a rework

[tall torrent]

Zealot skill tree rework WIP

Veteran skill tree is being looked at as well

[tardy arrow]

yeah. hence why i think focus will mainly be on them for the updates. i'm not sure what'll come first though.

[tame lodge]

It's about to hit 10 months since promised veteran weapon

[tall torrent]

Zealot tree rework maybe early 2026 or final major update of 2025 if it’s completed early

[tardy arrow]

yeah. it was promised for 2025 back in november 2024. we still have a few months left in the year but uh... leaving it to last minute would sting

[tall torrent]

Vet tree overhaul maybe 2026

[tame lodge]

I'll get really loud about it on the forums once it hits 12 months

[tall torrent]

I think vet needs good melee weapons more than good ranged weapons atm

[tardy arrow]

oh it's already getting pretty loud on there. i had to link a strawhat quote to prove to someone that fatshark did in fact promise it just today. lots of posts about it

[tall torrent]

It’s prob just gonna be new power sword 💀

[tardy arrow]

yeah. it's my opinion that vet deserves their one-handed relic blade. just get it out of the way (i mean i'll main such a beautiful beast, but ranged weapons are probs the focus for most ppl)

[tardy arrow]

or hand-and-a-half if fatshark wants me to be a very happy camper

[tall torrent]

There is a second power sword family that’s heat meter based in files with 2 variants

Tho I doubt it’ll be as good as current power sword

[tardy arrow]

yeah that's what i'm referencing. power sword p2

[tall torrent]

Relic blade already not as good as power sword

[tardy arrow]

it will probably be worse in performance but it'll have 10x superior design and fun factor no question. only masochists get off on "activate, swing three times, repeat"

[tame lodge]

Syllo found a Power Falchion (Fire Wastes) cosmetic but it had P1

So.....

[tall torrent]

At least it could be a cool skin

[tame lodge]

Fire Wastes is the commissary ones

💀

[tardy arrow]

power falchion would be nice as the new weapon family. the guard are more known for having single-edged power swords to my knowledge anyway

[tardy arrow]

plus it'd be better than naming it "Power Sword 2: Electric Boogaloo"

[tall torrent]

Power falchion could actually be that second power sword family lol

NEW VET MELEE
(It’s just a new power sword)

[mortal aspen]

power Axe n power falchion

[tardy arrow]

hey if there's fire wastes there may be more

[mortal aspen]

[tardy arrow]

chainsword and chainaxe would be peak too

i mean if they were a little better

[tame lodge]

Gets mogged by the other power sword

💀

[tall torrent]

They need quite significant buffs to be good

Like 5-8 minimum

[tardy arrow]

yes and no. even if it performs worse, it'll be way more fun to use for 99.99% of people

[tame lodge]

Mogged

🗣️

[tardy arrow]

relic blade eats power sword's lunch when it comes to being enjoyable to use bahaha

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/kfc-mog-mogged-mew-mewing-gif-6613522072010471268

[tall torrent]

I think relic blade is alright

[tardy arrow]

make it clap

[tall torrent]

Wish it had a better blessing pool

[tardy arrow]

i like it. it's probably my favourite zealot melee weapon. i still gravitate towards vt2's weapons

[tall torrent]

I’d prob like it more if it had perfect strike

[tame lodge]

Will DevaStrike suffice 💀

[tardy arrow]

damn it antonio stop pressing enter too early by accident

[tall torrent]

Devastating strike vs perfect strike is coughing baby vs DF-61

[tardy arrow]

although relic blade does have my love more than vt2 greatswords

[tardy arrow]

i like wrath and the blessing that gives me more damage with my heat level

[tame lodge]

Kinda funny that DevaStrike is called infinite_cleave_on_crit

[tardy arrow]

meanwhile brutal momentum is "cleave caps? what's that?" on headshots

oh and free damage don't forget

cheeky lil blessing

[tall torrent]

Wrath is just not as good as perfect strike for zealot

Relic blade also still bugged 9 months after release 💀

[tardy arrow]

which bug?

[tardy arrow]

but it don't haaave, so wrath does :3

[tall torrent]

Can’t cancel activation animation if the weapon is activated while sliding or sprinting

It’s super awkward

[tardy arrow]

weird. i haven't noticed but i might just not have done it

[steep flower]

Wrath

[tall torrent]

Perfect strike being able to cleave through carapace would be a huge leg up for relic blade

It just makes sense to synergize with zealot kit but it’s not there so the weapon feels like it’s missing smth

[steep flower]

Depends on build & weapon

[tall torrent]

Yea nowhere as good as perfect strike

[tame lodge]

Wrath Propaganda 🗣️

Don't fall for it

🗣️

[sudden cedar]

Wrath on what?

[tardy arrow]

or thought it was a feature. fatshark loves their bugs that are actually features like activated weapons having their activated attacks deleted bc you took a melee hit (i heard they fixed it finally)

[steep flower]

Relic

[tall torrent]

They did not 💀

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bpGHG.gif

[tall torrent]

I’m sorry to tell u this but all 7 of the 7 changes they gave veteran earlier this year missed the mark

[tardy arrow]

lmao. imagine being a power sword fan still. poor buggers

[tame lodge]

Huge Vet Buff🗣️

[tall torrent]

They fixed the lose charge on hit stun

Except

If u get hit while you’re attacking

It’ll still lose charge after

[tardy arrow]

wait who found the power falchion skin again?

[steep flower]

Random chance go! XD
Let’s go gambling! XD
Twinned blast is good! XD

[tardy arrow]

i need to look at it

[tall torrent]

Yea twinned blast is good in havoc

[steep flower]

Wait; what changes?

I don’t recall anything substantial i think

[tall torrent]

Twinned blast actually higher value than most damage talents in havoc because it’s significantly higher impact usually

And veteran’s biggest issue is not having enough impact to reset fights

[tardy arrow]

aw bugger

[steep flower]

usually the only good gamba is demo team

[tall torrent]

Nah twinned blast is genuinely good in havoc

You throw 100+ grenades per game

[steep flower]

I rather have consistency

[tardy arrow]

i think they buffed one vet talent into it actually being solid earlier this year. i can't remember the name but it NOW gives you free toughness regen constantly, but the cost is 5 seconds of not getting that free toughness regen if you're hit in melee. as long as you're aware enough to avoid a lot of melee hits, you're tanky as hell as a ranged combatant

[tall torrent]

Catch a Breath and Killzone TURN OFF if you block melee hit

Skirmisher’s stacking mechanism is still ass

Deadshot is still super restrictive because veteran has the worst stamina management of all classes

Serrated blade still doesn’t do nearly enough to be justified using outside of 1 niche scenario

Covering fire can’t be applied to self, and the gameplay model it promotes simply is not healthy (shoot into horde)

Power sword still turns off if you get stunned while you’re attacking

[tardy arrow]

like it single-handedly allowed me to start using executioner's stance again

[tall torrent]

7/7 marks missed

Peak FatShark

[tardy arrow]

i don't tend to block. dodging is a lot safer

although it not working on blocks is like... ehhh

[tall torrent]

Yes
But some attacks are safer to dodge and block at the same time

[tardy arrow]

i suppose bc of my playstyle it works really well, but someone who's block-heavy would struggle with it which is fair

[tall torrent]

And 5s reset is just not good

Killzone even worse with 8s reset

[tardy arrow]

i think it's fair

gives the enemy a window if you're caught lackin

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s not good enough

5%/s itself is not high enough regen to justify a whopping 5s reset

[tardy arrow]

5 seconds isn't that long

[hollow ibex]

5s is an eternity in this game

[tardy arrow]

lmao

ohh no my infinite toughness farm is down for the time it takes me to drink a sip of water

[tall torrent]

It is significantly better than what it was but it’s still not good enough

[tardy arrow]

i disagree respectfully on the area of its lockout time. buuut maybe blocking an attack shouldn't deactivate it

[tardy arrow]

since yk there's builds that focus less on mobility more on standing your ground etc.

[tall torrent]

One of vet’s biggest issues is not having good non-kill-based toughness gain sources and this CaB buff doesn’t change that

[tardy arrow]

i think it's really solid apart from its lockout being triggered when you block

[sly orchid]

Actualy quite real

[hollow ibex]

not saying it's bad, i'll take CAB because of pathing

but 5s is objectively a long time in a game

[tall torrent]

Like, compare this with zealot’s second wind

It’s not even close

[hollow ibex]

i mean what other talents have internal cds

i bet most of them don't come close to the CAB/killzone CD

[tardy arrow]

it's really not a long time. although i am above others on the level of understanding where players NEED to be versus where the enemies currently force them

[hollow ibex]

it is a long ass time if you're on higher difficulties

[sly orchid]

I would turn catch a breath into a true melee talent

[tall torrent]

Nah

[tardy arrow]

which i am.

[sly orchid]

Move it to the right tree doesnt deactivate on blocks etc

[tall torrent]

It just needs to be a bit better

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-catstare-cat-stare-sus-catglare-cat-glare-gif-14942558849944709546

[tall torrent]

If u fight sword captain / twin / chaos spawn u basically don’t have CaB

[tardy arrow]

i think removing the block lockout would be enough

[tardy arrow]

someone's tilted

[tall torrent]

If u fight rager wave u basically don’t have CaB

Both are quite frequent

[hollow ibex]

projecting much

[tardy arrow]

you're the one being rude in a peaceful debate about a talent in a video game bud 👍

[hollow ibex]

that's pretty rich coming from the guy who kicks off the ad hominen lol

[sudden cedar]

You both seem to be by needling each other.

[tall torrent]

Higher rate and no block lockout
Also reduce reset time

Or change it to smth else

[sly orchid]

Both of you are nerds

[hollow ibex]

five seconds is enough for a full toughness/hp player to get killed due to unfortunate events

[tardy arrow]

i'm trying to have a discussion, that's all. i mean no ill-will and am merely putting my perspective on the table. i'm not the one questioning ppl's skill level bc they disagreed with me on the internet. i'm objectively not doing anything wrong by highlighting this

[hollow ibex]

how many talents are there that have an internal CD as long as killzone/CAB

[sly orchid]

Activates after 8 seconds or after dodging a melee attack

[tardy arrow]

5s is fine for where players need to be. we're just used to ppl running around with massively OP stuff with 0 cooldown steamrolling everything. players as a whole are wayyy too strong

[sudden cedar]

Well yes, but needling the other person is not really helpful in my opinion.

[tardy arrow]

i'm not needling shit mate i'm just drawing a line

[sudden cedar]

Sure.

[hollow ibex]

i mean at least i'm providing examples of why 5s is a long time

[steep flower]

It requires enemies to begin with

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower

[tardy arrow]

good that we're on the same page /s. now back to ACTUAL discussion

[sudden cedar]

Why is a mark for sarcasm needed?

[tall torrent]

I used to think that way and then they added havoc and started balancing for it so at this point I’m just all for buffing things to be good

[hollow ibex]

VOC is fair and balanced now

[tardy arrow]

i'm merely opposing the idea of balancing around havoc at all yk

[hollow ibex]

i used to be an advocate for nerfing VOC

[tardy arrow]

balancing around weaves would've killed vt2 so bad

[sudden cedar]

Let me phrase it differently:
Okay, go ahead with the discussion.

[tall torrent]

I don’t like balancing around havoc but my opinion changes nothing so might as well optimize for what they’ll do instead

I talked with 2 playtesters about vet issues before

[sly orchid]

Inb4 path is invited to the testing server

[tardy arrow]

i'll defy it as much as I can. if my thoughts fall on deaf ears big deal it's just a game. but for now i'll make myself heard

[sly orchid]

I will say

[sudden cedar]

They have a testing server?

[tall torrent]

It’s not hard to make vet’s current tree better
It’s however significantly more complex to fix his fundamental issues

[tardy arrow]

who

[sly orchid]

Playtesters are awfully quiet

[sly orchid]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1269791447037640798/1398819646328672366/boomboomb.gif

[tall torrent]

Obviously cuz next update prob in 1-2 months

[tardy arrow]

i'm too busy sending them dumb memes

[sudden cedar]

I remember seeing Kitefin say something about September Update, but i probably missread parts of it.

[sly orchid]

Nah theyre a bit too quiet

Same with kitefin

[tall torrent]

This wat I sent tho

“A couple of the key points I can summarize for the core veteran changes I’d make based on that principle

1. Make veteran’s overall toughness gain sustainable beyond kills to grant them staying power in prolonged combat where kills are not readily available or toughness is easily expended through attrition

2. Simplify veteran’s core damage talents to be more accessible to majority of builds and to make investments within branches worth the trouble by marking specifically high value picks deeper within certain trees

3. Improve veteran’s base handling attributes to be more accessible and in line with the other human classes”

[hollow ibex]

well september update sounds right

[tall torrent]

This was way earlier this year

[hollow ibex]

and then an update in december prob

[tardy arrow]

yeah they're all a bit, like, silenced on it. it's eerie

[tall torrent]

Then I also sent a draft that overshot a lot of numbers

[sudden cedar]

Take it with a grain of salt, i don't quite remember in what context this was said.

I mean we could ask Kitefin, if we really need to.

[tardy arrow]

i wish we had a modded realm so the core community could actually show fatshark how balancing's done AGAIN (as it happened in vt2)

[sly orchid]

Ive asked kitefin twice about am eta on the next blogpost and got no reply

Im banking on there being a huge update

[tall torrent]

Ofc not lol

[sly orchid]

Cause theyre never this quiet

[tall torrent]

You will have nothing and you will be happy

Can’t wait for them to miss the mark on all vet changes again

[tardy arrow]

well the forums are boiling over impatiently lmao so SOMETHING soon would be nice

[sly orchid]

Path even i sent your changes for CaB to aquino

[tall torrent]

They buffed skirmisher 4 times and still haven’t made it good

[sudden cedar]

Well of course Kitefin wouldn't outright admit anything if not allowed.

[sly orchid]

And made sure he recieved it

[tall torrent]

Trolling or incompetence take ur pick

[tall torrent]

Wat did I write last time

[sly orchid]

I wouldve expected an update after arbites not that far removed

[tardy arrow]

vet will be bad until they replace infiltrate with a cardboard box ability like in metal gear solid

[tall torrent]

I forgor lol

[sly orchid]

Block changes etc etc

[tall torrent]

I just remember I overshot a lot of numbers for the draft I sent to Johnny

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[tardy arrow]

fatshark failed so hard to capitailise on arbites dude. no new cosmetic rotations in the slop store after dropping a new class is CRAZY

[tall torrent]

No new cosmetics for relic blade after 9 months

[tardy arrow]

i need my power flambard

[tall torrent]

I also made some rly wack designs in there

[slim copper]

I finished all the arby penances before they added any cosmetics

[tall torrent]

Some are peak
Some are trolling
Some are overshot
Some are all of the above

[sly orchid]

I will say this is more the fault of games workshop

[slim copper]

Guess I'm not sticking around on it to buy anything 💅

[sly orchid]

10th edition arbites dont have any other models at all

[normal bay]

You are forgetting one thing

Nothing happens

[tardy arrow]

fatshark had a lot of reskin options. like a red version of that coat

[tall torrent]

Some actually can be implemented rn and will instantly make vet tree 3x better minimum

[sly orchid]

Then youd have complaints about a recolor

[tardy arrow]

just SOMETHING. however uninspired

[tall torrent]

Deadshot change
Skirmisher change
Stam regen delay change

[tardy arrow]

yeah. but those are valid as hell. the fomo model makes shit like that egregiously unfair on the consumer

fatshark would make so much bank if they had a catalogue where ppl could mix and match more freely

[sly orchid]

Kid named shillings

[sudden cedar]

I assume the mEtRiCs say otherwise and that is why it does not happen. Maybe.

[tardy arrow]

e.g. being able to see that the witch hunter cosmetic for vet goes incredibly hard as a base for a commissar outfit. btw the commissar hat's already wayyy out of rotation with no expectation of when it returns

[tall torrent]

They could make bank if they expanded shop to 5 rotations at a time and swapped things once a week

[sly orchid]

Maybe fatshark should add thrones :)

[tardy arrow]

fatshark should add the abyss bar to mourningstar

[tall torrent]

They should also focus on weapon skins more tbh cuz that’s what u see in game

[turbid ibex]

Which talents are that?

[tall torrent]

Deadshot drain stamina per shot & over time for better accuracy and crit chance when ADS/brace

[orchid hemlock]

Incompetent to the point where I don't need to waste money 😈

[tall torrent]

Skirmisher gain damage bonus for every full 1s spent sprinting

[tardy arrow]

yeah. i want some sicilian style weapons to fuel my autism. stiletto switchblade combat blade. lupara double-barrelled shotgun. bodeo revolver. etc

[tall torrent]

Might as well make a doom eternal’s crucible sword replica for relic blade

I promise u that shit will immediately sell

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent

How was China?

[tardy arrow]

GW chopping block

[tall torrent]

Make lasgun skins that change las-shots color

It’s even in the lore anyway

[sly orchid]

Piss laser

[tardy arrow]

correct.

[tall torrent]

Change it to like orange/yellow/blue

[tardy arrow]

i have purple pew pew

i require

[tardy arrow]

helldiveh las weapons

[turbid ibex]

Every shot changes the color of the laser

[steep flower]

All they have to do is remove stamina tax on shooting; concentrate for oggy is just stamina per second nothing more - would make deadshot infinitely better

[tall torrent]

I also hate how they removed the energized blue effect for power sword

For this mediocre electricity effect

[tardy arrow]

caramelldansen?

[tardy arrow]

sh*t looked so cool

[steep flower]

Why not both? Both would look sick

[tall torrent]

Power swords literally are supposed to turn blue on activation

They’re not shock swords lol

[tardy arrow]

or red if you're a freaky chaos dude

i mean there's even green plasma guns

[tall torrent]

Go look at psyker force swords when activated
That’s how power weapons are supposed to look like when activated

[tardy arrow]

deimos force sword iirc is legitimately ripped from an actual power sword design iirc

[sly orchid]

Thats more grav weaponry

[tall torrent]

Yes

[sly orchid]

Kez doesnt look here so i can safely be wrong about 40k lore

[tardy arrow]

there's green plasma weapons, or at least there were. shit could've been retconned for all i know

grav weapons aren't smth we'd see much of i tell ya

[sly orchid]

We will never get grav weaponry

[tardy arrow]

that's what i said yeah

[sly orchid]

Space marine 2 has a grav cannon in the files

[tall torrent]

We’re likelier to get needle weapons unironically

[tardy arrow]

make it zealot exclusive it'd be funny

[tall torrent]

Death cult assassins can use needle pistols right

Or am I missing smth

[tardy arrow]

right tree zealot fr

[tardy arrow]

no i think you might be right? although that's not my area of interest in 40k

[tall torrent]

I’m just waiting for more weapons to be good

Doesn’t have to be new weapons

[sudden cedar]

The Lexicanum is quite sparse on that topic.

The Adamus Temple uses Needle Weapons, but nothing about Death Cults.

[tardy arrow]

yes and no. there's a LOT of stuff missing that we need. most of our current weaponry is just bloat. tac axe, combat axe, etc. etc. just make one and two-handed power and chain axes. bam done

[tall torrent]

I don’t think there’s that much bloat but I can say that 90% weapons need buffs

[tardy arrow]

e.g. polearms. like chain bardiche (scab mauler weapon) power halberd etc.

we don't have dual wields yet

it's just bloat what we have. 10 different bloody kinds of auto weapons but not a power axe in sight haha

[tall torrent]

Most melee weapons should have at least 1 attack that can break >1 rager combo at a time

That’s my opinion

[hollow ibex]

wat

[tardy arrow]

tbh i just think ragers are badly designed. plague monks and frothers did it better

[hollow ibex]

taxe and caxe are very different

idk what other examples of "bloat" you have in mind

[tall torrent]

Well, they’re prob not gonna get changed and the game spams 10+ of them at a time so most melee weapons should be able to stagger multiple of them in a single atk

[tardy arrow]

they're mundane uninteresting weapons that would just be better off under a specific 40k archetype

[hollow ibex]

both taxe and caxe are a lot of fun to play

and very meta

and play very differently

[tardy arrow]

like power axes and chainaxes for example.

[tardy arrow]

good for you

[hollow ibex]

lol

just can't handle the truth, can you

taxe/caxe are some of the best melee weapons on vet

[tardy arrow]

which is an issue with player power too

[hollow ibex]

both are interesting in their own ways

[tall torrent]

I don’t think they’re ever going to tune it back to a point where individual elite enemies are more threatening but they spawn in lower density

[hollow ibex]

rejects have become way too strong

[tardy arrow]

i'd rather see a one-handed and two-handed axe filling those kinds of niches but with unique gimmicks. i'd go back to the army if i wanted to use mundane weapons that exist irl

[tardy arrow]

it was beautiful once

[hollow ibex]

one handed axe is just taxe and caxe

i agree that a 2 handed axe would be cool

[tall torrent]

So now we just have heretic blender 3000 as giga stat stick and almost nothing else comes close to its power on vet

[tardy arrow]

this sorta thing also applies to like autoguns. yeah pls make 10 different types of bullet gun instead of idk making interesting 40k stuff

[sly orchid]

Powersword with the push stab being able to 2 shot a crusher

[tall torrent]

It’s criminal how bad chain weapons are as a whole in this game

[tardy arrow]

yeah. mk vi with push stab and follow up overhead tends to do the trick

[tardy arrow]

exactly

[hollow ibex]

cadia fell because of chainswords

[tall torrent]

Chainsword prob most iconic melee in 40k

And in this game it might as well be masterbait

[sly orchid]

We need a spear already

Or a polearm

[tall torrent]

Give zealot a flag pole arm

[tardy arrow]

yeah this. instead of another axe, sword or autogun variant lmao

give us polearms

[hollow ibex]

idk if vet would get polearms

[tall torrent]

Power axe exclusive to vet yes pls

[tardy arrow]

dual wields even. some cool catachan stuff like dual combat blade and catachan sword

[sly orchid]

I wouldnt mind 2 handed poweraxe on vet

[tall torrent]

Imperial navy breacher has 2-h power axe

[tardy arrow]

duelling glaive

[sly orchid]

Vet is lacking in heavy weaponry

Or 2 handed melees

[tardy arrow]

also mauler with chain bardiche lmao

[hollow ibex]

i exclude 2h axes from polearms

i'm thinking more like glaives

[tardy arrow]

power halberds tho would probably be a zealot thing if i can be real

[tall torrent]

I think 2h power axe for vet, 2h chain axe for zealot

Both class exclusive

[tardy arrow]

i don't see vet getting a power halberd

[tall torrent]

Would be good

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-grail-knight-kruber-gif-5598768999825553829

[tardy arrow]

two-handed power axe with wutelgi bardiche moveset from vt2

[sly orchid]

Tuskgor spear moveset

[tardy arrow]

(this would breathe new life into me)

[sly orchid]

And elven glaive

ALSO ALSO ALSO

[tardy arrow]

bardiche.

[tall torrent]

Give power axe actual cleave and give it sunder

[sly orchid]

PSYKER NEEDS KERILLIAN'S GREATSWORD AS A FORCE GREATSWORZ

THE MOveSET IS SO COOL

[tardy arrow]

wutelgi's "spear" is a glaive and her "glaive" is a bardiche rahhhh GW why do you name polearms wrong rahhhh

[sly orchid]

Power axe needs to be a monster in melee

[tardy arrow]

literally what you'd get with mk viii's light attacks and mk vi's heavy 2 btw

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/shad-shadiversity-get-stick-get-stick-gif-21571330

[tall torrent]

It just needs to be Rashad but with cleave, hits harder and slower

[sly orchid]

The push stab is so cool

[tardy arrow]

if i can change the push attack to a light stab i'd be so happy

[sly orchid]

She holds the sword on her wrist

[tall torrent]

Literally just do that and it’ll be good lol

[tardy arrow]

i know it does look cool. i'd fw it on psyker. but wouldn't that burn on your forearm? youuuuch

[normal bay]

Poleaxe this, power axe that

How about Vet gets a damn autocannon

[tall torrent]

Vet needs good melee more than good ranged

[tardy arrow]

ogryn heavy stubber is almost there hahaha

[sly orchid]

Well

Thats the thinf

[tardy arrow]

not the twink-linked tho

[sly orchid]

Force greatsword needs to be empowered

[normal bay]

So close but not quite right

[sly orchid]

Unlike the displacer field relic blade has

So your arm doesnt burn

[tall torrent]

Like, unironically
If u don’t fancy the “running away from problems” approach to melee, ur weapon choice is quite limited on vet

[normal bay]

Don't need strong melee if kaboom

[sly orchid]

Taxe being vet's best melee because of mobility

[tall torrent]

Nah

It’s just power sword VI lol

[tardy arrow]

yeah. vet's the one class where i don't use a two-handed BC IT HAS NONE

[tall torrent]

Tac axe is the best budget melee tho

Like if u can’t afford atk speed

But if u can then power sword mogs almost everything else

[sly orchid]

2 handed weapons just feel better

[turbid ibex]

Btw im pretty sure Perfectionist found a 2h chain axe in the files iirc

[mortal aspen]

wut

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s been in the files for almost 3y at this point

[tardy arrow]

power sword is a funny thing. either the vet with it babysits their team or goes down twice in every room.

[tardy arrow]

i require

[sly orchid]

The Gods gave you two hands... and you use them both for your weapon. I can respect that

[tardy arrow]

exactly. also nice skyrim reference. i prefer morrowind tho. seen any elves? HAHAHAHAHA

[tall torrent]

It’s a weapon where learning the difference between push atk and push then attack is mandatory

And I’ve been gravitating towards these melee weapons cuz they’re just mechanically more interesting

[mortal aspen]

I've seen mud crabs tougher than you

GOOD DAY

[tardy arrow]

power sword being called mechanically interesting is so indicative of how cooked vet's melee choices are

[tall torrent]

I mean
Yea it kinda is more interesting than most other weapons

I’d call it more interesting than crusher tbh

Most weapons are not that complex and don’t require u to learn inputs between push atk and “push then atk”

And yes vet melee choice is cooked

[tardy arrow]

i disagree but more out of a matter of taste. i like the funny bonk. my arbitrator has one

[tardy arrow]

but everything outside of that one attack pattern is just mindless which is where my gripe with it is

it's why i'd prefer a one-handed relic blade. i get that and power sword p1 is gone from my life FOREVER

[tall torrent]

I mean
That’s a lot of weapons lol

[tardy arrow]

oh dw i'll shit on bully club mk iii etc etc duelling sword iv

[tall torrent]

Nah like

The only difference in single target combo between power sword VI and crusher is that power sword presses special all the time

[tardy arrow]

bully club mk iii is probably the most brainless sh*t in darktide ever

[tall torrent]

The rest is the same

On crusher it’s also {push atk + light} loop

U just don’t press special all the time

[mortal aspen]

it could be a more interesting weapon with numbers adjusted

it has fun combos

there are a bunch of weapons where you alternate lights and heavies, like the mauls

[tardy arrow]

i prefer crusher simply bc while it might be brainless, it's a two-handed weapon and i don't need to activate it every 5 seconds to make it work

[sly orchid]

Im going to throw the power axe like you can throw it at a termigaunt

[mortal aspen]

heavy sword is pretty interesting actually, if only it didn't suck vs carapace so much (special isn't real)

[tardy arrow]

my issue with it how mk iii bc works is how it can just brainlessly lmb spam everything to death, yeah. it's got interest POTENTIAL, but it has the plasma gun issue of "why do that when i can just spam lmb?"

[tall torrent]

At this point I basically only care about performance metrics above moveset complexity

Because most weapons take at most 3 games to memorize moveset

[tardy arrow]

i am not so fallen. 😂

[tall torrent]

The coolest moveset weapon to me rn is between DC1 and DC7

[tardy arrow]

DC7?

[tall torrent]

Writing steam guide can change you as a person

[tardy arrow]

vanguard -> strikedown is a grot moveset

[tardy arrow]

i mean i can respect it but you will find me dead before i use a weapon apart from mk viii fgs that uses this model for heavies

i use mk viii fgs out of desperation, lack of wutelgi greatsword moveset

[tall torrent]

Parry ATK + light stab + light 3 overhead + light 1 + heavy 2 overhead

For single target

It’s genuinely cool when it works

[tardy arrow]

mk4 just heavy parry heavy parry and so on

[tall torrent]

Yea which is not as cool

[tardy arrow]

or light heavy light heavy and so on if you're not playing as a bleedmaxxer vet

[tall torrent]

I think DC7 is best DC sword atm but DC sword as a whole are cooked

[tardy arrow]

bleedmaxxing vet just spam lights

[tardy arrow]

DC4 is the best to my tastes.

[tall torrent]

That’s fair, it is a lot simpler for sure

[tardy arrow]

although none of them are perfect

[tardy arrow]

for me it's that the heavy strikedown is more accessible

i don't jump through hoops i can just put the crusher down when i need to yk?

[tall torrent]

I like DC7’s innately faster atk speed more

But it’s not like they’re good enough for me to care

[tardy arrow]

the other dc light moveset with dc4 heavy moveset would send me to heaven, but then i remember they got powercrept out of relevance

i remember when infantry lasgun was meta 🧓

[tall torrent]

I checked all veteran melee weapons already so ik how they perform

The situation is cooked

[tardy arrow]

i'm well aware as a vet main

although we can all breathe fresh air that none of dt's melee weapons are as dogshit as helldivers 2's

[tall torrent]

I don’t play HD2

[tardy arrow]

if you like complex melee, good

[tall torrent]

Vet guide isn’t gonna write itself

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cola-cat-cola-explosion-luma-ai-gif-12441479630905084027

[tardy arrow]

i'm too busy for such things

[tall torrent]

I’ve written like 100 sections already

Only 30 ish left to go

[tardy arrow]

although maybe if a patient or two developed lethal sepsis i'd be a less busy hospital cleaner. i can only hope

[tall torrent]

12 sections for talents

And then every melee weapon variant gets their own dedicated section

With more detail than most people will care

[tardy arrow]

power falchion will be insaaane

😤

(pls fatshork)

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1406026280285110373/Screencast_20250814_215720.mp4?ex=68bff2c3&is=68bea143&hm=754d63e93770374e204c3c0e1af58cb4d2a926b7cb240f5ae195ac7a1df7ac69&

[tardy arrow]

yeah nah i don't have the patience to write a guide like that

nor the free time i suppose. would rather just let others figure it out so i have more me time 😉

[tall torrent]

Doing enemy breakdown sections rn

Then example builds for vet

Then I can publish

And I’ll add in sections for other classes later on

Probably arb first

Cuz they actually have interesting weapons

[turbid ibex]

Pog

[tall torrent]

Looking at zealot’s melee weapons gives me great sadness

The cursed abysmal dogshit that is thunder hammer 💀

[turbid ibex]

Looking at zealot~~'s melee weapons~~ gives me great sadness

[tall torrent]

Crusher is like 2x better on arb than zealot

So all I play is relic blade and it’s not as good as power sword cuz no perfect strike

Eviscerator gets mogged by rager spam cuz no good group stagger

Thunder hammer is the worst designed melee in the game

Duelling sword is cringe

Knife is cringe

[mortal aspen]

isn't everything better on arby xdd

[tall torrent]

Yea 💀

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-smoking-blunt-blehskibidi-gif-4336732105413285679

[tall torrent]

Zealot is basically hard carried by crit kit

Playing a non-crit zealot feels horrible

[turbid ibex]

How do you even make a non crit zealot

[tall torrent]

Martyr usually

Some weapons just aren’t as good with crit spec

Like thunder hammer

(Again this is literally the worst designed melee in the game)

Even if arb had thunder hammer it’ll prob still be the worst melee in his selection

[mortal aspen]

i felt like it simply lacked numbers

aoe swipes do zdps

light overheads do zdps

only the charged strike hits hard but is very clunky to use

[tall torrent]

Yes

It can use like

8-10 buffs?

[spice shard]

martyr thunderhammer boss bonker zealot

its fun like the first 1 or 2 times you do it
and then you realise holy shit this is awful

[tall torrent]

Light strikedown maniac ADM needs buff
Heavy sweep damage needs buff
Heavy sweep maniac ADM needs buff
Heavy sweep stagger needs buff
Push atk stagger needs buff
Powered atk carapace damage needs buff
Block cost needs buff
Probably make the activation animation count as block

[mortal aspen]

just give zealot double melee spec already

[grand perch]

then you switch to boss deletion agrip revolver vet build

and realise its also cripplingly overspecialised

[spice shard]

and then you switch to gunlugger ogryn and realise "oh hey, the ogryn does the exact same thing but so much better"

[sly orchid]

https://youtube.com/shorts/SzC7Nt8nfLA?si=ZQj3KyQEloQXecCN

[tall torrent]

Wat

[spice shard]

yamato felt that someones gonna come in here in a bit and stir shit because you said something they dont like

[sly orchid]

i didnt

just thought it was a funny vid

[spice shard]

oh

neat

[steep flower]

I was wondering how busted i could make it but alas… we’ll never know

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Jagwopif0y0?feature=share

[tall torrent]

I’m sorry in no world will 240 first target damage on weakspot vs maniac on a heavy atk be good

It also doesn’t stagger

Why does the big 2-handed hammer have bad stagger

[sly orchid]

Very dumb

Thunder hammer should have the highest impact of any weapon

[steep flower]

I mean duh

[steep flower]

Just vs maniacs that is; amd is bad for them ye

[tall torrent]

I rly think most melee weapons should have at least 1 attack that can break multiple rager combo at once on first hit

[steep flower]

Can feel it

[severe jolt]

you think you'd be LESS busy cleaning if a patient decided to shit themselves to death?

[sly orchid]

I already saw you say that yeah

[tall torrent]

But obviously we can’t have nice things

Zealot tree being cooked as is

[sly orchid]

Trust the process

Epic coal is being very quiet

[steep flower]

Sounds like bad balancing that almost every weapon will be able to answer such a specific & common threat (its suppose to be a threat not a ‚distraction’)
Which weapons would not be able to do it then?

[sly orchid]

And he plays zealot alot

[steep flower]

Time is of the essence 🙏

[tall torrent]

Knife, tac axe, duelling sword
And weapons that only have sweeping attacks for light atks

Like eviscerator XV

And chainaxe XII

Also psyker’s force melee weapons tbh

I don’t think they need inherent stagger changes

It’d be cooler to make charged strike good to help psyker’s force melee weapons stagger

[steep flower]

They are fine as they are; i would just add cleaving dmg on cara for powered sweeping force sword mark but thats me

[tall torrent]

Illisi? Yea it can use some buffs