veteran-class

[turbid ibex]

Zealot has 1 aura and 1 blitz and if you want anything else you have to take a massive point tax

Cause most of the nodes leading to the other options are not good

[steep flower]

Its the ability to make various builds; vet does not have 1 build and tbh neither does Zealot albeit they gonna be very similar for the zealot
Thats what was the discussion about; that vet has like 1 build which is wrong and thus i stated with the proverb that you mah boi blame the tree for not having variety
How is it i have 6 different builds for vet that have different goals but you don’t? Sounds like to me you don’t really have (or refuse to) the capacity to experiment & try things that may or may not work
In simple words; not creative enough or simply lazy

[crude wind]

Me too 🙂

[turbid ibex]

Vet tree is still dogshit

[steep flower]

Can show ya its not; in talent tree building & gameplay

[turbid ibex]

Point tax after point tax

[steep flower]

In some areas yes unfortunately but can be coped to achieve good & varied builds

[crude wind]

Imo it is super outdated and exists for a game that doesn't exist anymore

And no amount of " haha I know stuff you don't" glazing changes that

[winter spoke]

shoutout to smoke grenades

[steep flower]

Valid; just don’t say it has like 1 build cause it ain’t true

[steep flower]

Its not about the stuff i know which you don’t; it never was about it; it was about willingness to experiment and create something new or at the very least modified

[tall torrent]

Vet has like

5

Builds

And small variations with each from flex points

5 is not terrible but it’s not great either

[midnight wyvern]

better than zealot

but still ass

[steep flower]

What would be considered ‘good’ then?

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

[steep flower]

[tall torrent]

7 + variations

[steep flower]

Is there any class that has such a number or highier?

[tall torrent]

Which tbh only arb achieves atm

[turbid ibex]

Vet has 19 grey nodes
Ogryn has 9
Arb has 5

[tall torrent]

Ogryn has like

3

[steep flower]

More

[tall torrent]

It’s 3 + variations

[crude wind]

And no amount of " haha I know stuff you don't" glazing changes that

[turbid ibex]

Doubled message moment

[steep flower]

Still at the same point; its ok tho

[tall torrent]

Because Ogryn’s bottom half is super unbalanced

[turbid ibex]

I think it was just discord shitting itself

[tall torrent]

It’s very left & middle heavy

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bpGHG.gif

[steep flower]

Only keystones really

[tall torrent]

nah middle bottom has a lot of good picks

And heavy hitter op

So there’s not that much choice

[turbid ibex]

I wish blo didnt favor single shot weapons over the machine guns so egregiously

[steep flower]

Wdym its great on rapid fires too

[turbid ibex]

Idk when you compare it to how much value the kickback and rumbler get from guaranteed procs with back off it feels disproportional

[tall torrent]

And in the middle section of the tree, left is just pretty significantly better than the right

[turbid ibex]

Maybe im missing something though

[winter spoke]

so what ACTUALLY uses unyielding armor?

[turbid ibex]

Monstrosities, reapers, bulwarks

[crude wind]

Idk why that sent twice. And fair enough I apologize for my statement

[winter spoke]

wrong channel oops

[steep flower]

All is tied to build making; can show ya if you wanna

[winter spoke]

awesome, ty

[tall torrent]

Bulwark
Reaper
Plague ogryn
Chaos spawn
Beast of nurgle
Daemonhost

[crude wind]

I don't want to misrepresent you

[steep flower]

You represent only yourself
But i see your points

[turbid ibex]

What are some good ones for stuff like the twin linked then?

[plain osprey]

All the things that can kill you in 5 seconds

[turbid ibex]

Also correct me if im wrong but the hipfire on the single barrel stubbers is pretty much useless right

[steep flower]

You go for the crit

[plain osprey]

Its managable on krourk, and If youre really good its almost bareable on gorgonum. Dont use it on achlys

[steep flower]

You take
Lucky Streak
Good Shootin
Bulletstorm
And you’ll see just how good twin link can be

[turbid ibex]

Idk why but i just dislike good shootin a lot

[steep flower]

Its what makes twin links great

Try it in psykanium

That talent alone

[turbid ibex]

My brain just registers that node as "when you dont crit you crit 15% of the time"

And idk why i just dislike that

Cause it does nothing if the shot was already going to be a crit

Idk maybe if it also worked the other way around by making it so crits are guaranteed to trigger lucky bullet as well

[steep flower]

Its basically like this;
Each shot gives you a basic chance to crit and a seperate chance to trigger lucky bullet that when it hits a target it crits
So in practice (if you have maxed out crits);
You have 15% chance to crit from BLO AND up to 17.5% crit chance from base crits (2,5(base ogryn crit) + 5(perk) + 12(talent) - 2(twin link chance))

And each crit does 50% extra dmg

[turbid ibex]

Isnt it 14.5%?

Cause of base 2.5% and 12% from the talent

Oh

[steep flower]

Twin link has -2% crit chance

For some reason and its not the only weapon that has that

[turbid ibex]

Right

[soft trellis]

autopistol is another

[steep flower]

Braced guns too

[plain osprey]

It feels less frequent with the smaller mag size but omg, the gorgonum crits....

Beautiful destruction

[turbid ibex]

I mean the node is still effectively "when you dont crit you instead crit 15% of the time"

And for some reason my brain just hates it

[tall torrent]

That’s not quite how statistics works

[steep flower]

I would use gorgonum twin link if ready & pull out speed was not oof

[turbid ibex]

The good shootin node

[plain osprey]

The peashooter

[sudden cedar]

You do a disservice to the Shredder Autopistol.

[plain osprey]

Just walk around with it

[steep flower]

Hush, zealot

[soft trellis]

Yep, turns out... peas are great against trappers. They must not like their vegetables

[tall torrent]

Yea
Your interpretation is not how statistics works

[turbid ibex]

Good shootin guarantees the shot that triggers lucky bullet is a crit, so if the shot was already going to crit it doesnt make a difference

[tall torrent]

It’s essentially rolling 2 probabilities at the same time

[plain osprey]

I always say its a melee weapon. Especially against crushers because it doesnt penetrate armor but it CAN kill them. And im pretty sure when it does it does so via brainbleed

[turbid ibex]

Yes

[steep flower]

if it hits

[steep flower]

What i’ve said

[turbid ibex]

The probability you dont crit and the probability the shot procs lucky bullet at the same time

[soft trellis]

At least with charmed reload you don't have to hit the enemy to get the bullets in the mag when it crits >.>

[tall torrent]

The slightly more intuitive way of looking at it

[turbid ibex]

Which is whatever your chance to not crit is multiplied by 15%

[tall torrent]

Is that it gives u almost double the crit chance

For ranged attacks

[turbid ibex]

So 15% of the time that you dont crit you instead crit

[tall torrent]

Outside of 2 heavy stubber variants that have crit chance bonus

[soft trellis]

wait since ogryn's base crit chance is 2.5% does that mean with the twin linked stubber you only have a 0.5% crit chance as a base?

it's -2% crit on the twin stubbers right?

[tall torrent]

Did u just realize that

[soft trellis]

I realized it before a long while ago but I forgot, so I realized it again

[turbid ibex]

Ik thats how it ends up working in practice

But it still makes my brain angry for some reason

[tall torrent]

However because of heavy stubber’s lengthy crit string of 6

This actually translates to very high crit rate

[turbid ibex]

Crit string?

[soft trellis]

Well with all 8 stacks of massacre that'd be a 12.5% crit chance and with good shooting that'd be a 15% chance... so techncially isn't the odds of you not critting(whether forced or not) 85% of 87.5% in that case? @tall torrent

[tall torrent]

If any shot is crit
Starting with that shot, make X shots crit

[tall torrent]

Yes

Which is 25.625% chance to crit

[turbid ibex]

Wait what

[soft trellis]

Yay, I'm not a complete idiot

[turbid ibex]

So if you get one crit on heavy stubber you get 5 free guaranteed crits as well?

[soft trellis]

crit strings are you get a # of shots in a row as crits when 1 crits I think

[tall torrent]

5 after the first

So total string is 6

This means a 25.625% chance to crit

[steep flower]

No; it means you can crit again after them consecutively; after 6 crits you cannot crit no more on 7th shot and 8th can crit and so on and so forth

[tall torrent]

Is actually ~67.4% crit rate

[soft trellis]

[turbid ibex]

I dont think im understanding

[soft trellis]

I think that's taking into account 1 crit making 6 shots into crits

[steep flower]

Thats why crit twin link is amazing cause despite ogryn not being a crit class together with the weapon you make it a crit weapon that can tackle havoc 40

[turbid ibex]

Ok but how does it work

[tame lodge]

Basically yeah
Not the only weapon with a CRIT string though

[turbid ibex]

Ok i see it then

[tame lodge]

Mortis Death Dealer Twin Linked, my beloved

[soft trellis]

I could fire forever cause I had charmed reload lol

[steep flower]

I need to grind that dead gamemode one day

[tall torrent]

For twin stubber

6/(6-1+(1/0.25625))= 0.6739

So overall crit rate from a crit chance of 0.25625 is around 0.674

It’s still not “good”

Because the crit bonus is not particularly high for this gun

And u have pretty serious opportunity costs elsewhere in the tree

Like not having heavy hitter

[grand perch]

Vet chat being extra mathy today

[soft trellis]

So on weapons with crit strings cavalcade is doing more than I think? Since I always just think of it as a +25% crit chance at max stacks(Specifically the autopistol)

[steep flower]

Yeah not good; that stuff alone makes twin link h40 good

[turbid ibex]

Also very ammo hungry i imagine

[tall torrent]

Yea not good

[turbid ibex]

Wish it was more methy instead

[steep flower]

All comes to micromanaging your resources

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-chemistry-experiment-scientific-walter-white-gif-17820266

[tall torrent]

It’s a bunch of extra investment to make a bad gun usable

As opposed to making a good weapon better

[steep flower]

Even a recon las with shock trooper can run out of ammo if you don’t micromanage its usage

[turbid ibex]

Yeah thats also what i was thinking

Also i just realized twin linked dont have cavalcade in its blessings

[steep flower]

Nah man; i can show ya it is in fact not bad - all depends how you use your tools

[tall torrent]

Achlys twin linked has really bad flak dps

[steep flower]

It does but still can perform

[steep flower]

Sadly

[grand perch]

I'm sorry you will have to visit #zealot-class for that specific interest

[tall torrent]

Ur definition of “good” is not the same as mine so pls stop reacting to every single message I sent

[steep flower]

Touchy touchy; but thats ok

[tall torrent]

I’m making a polite request here

I could also just

Not talk here ever

Prob better that way

[steep flower]

All depends on the perpective

[soft trellis]

Nah, you can talk here. It is nice. Outside near people? Up to you, but, I recommend silence and fleeing when confronted with people

[steep flower]

That can be true
Or not

[steep flower]

Introverts?

[soft trellis]

Introverts

I am one for sure, in fact I could stay in for weeks on end without going out and not feel affected by it :\

[tall torrent]

Nah I just don’t quite enjoy seeing every single message getting a below because Willy can’t agree and has to “prove smth smth”

[steep flower]

Man same! Its the so called ‘social battery’ thing

[soft trellis]

Socializing in person is... something that happens... not something I seek out >.>

[tall torrent]

And ofc he can’t even stop when I politely ask him to

So I’m just gonna stop

U guys hav fun

[steep flower]

Ofc

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bpGHG.gif

[soft trellis]

I mean... technically you have the power to temporarily/permanently revoke their rights to reacting to your messages

[sudden cedar]

What is this all about now?

[steep flower]

There was no ‘please’… and putting ‘good’ in brackets can lead to missunderstandings like putting someone elses opinion below cause i have raw numbers & play the game a specific way and shelf weapons cause number bad

[tame lodge]

The Peashooter with no brim

[steep flower]

Lack of experimentation leads to stagnation

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/yankee-spin-hat-laugh-spinning-gif-16824074

[steep flower]

Unless crits

[turbid ibex]

He did say "please"

[steep flower]

HE DID i am ashamed

What working in the sun does to one’s mind… unironically

I did not saw it

[turbid ibex]

Mandated edict: go to the corner and think about what youve done👉

[steep flower]

[soft trellis]

Behold: the original tide game pea shooter! From the days of old!

[turbid ibex]

Ok but that one is really fucking cool tho

[steep flower]

A good classic weapon

[soft trellis]

It also doesn't hit like a pea shooter lol

[turbid ibex]

It needed something to counterbalance the aura bonus it gives

[steep flower]

Ammo capacity

[soft trellis]

I didn't think it was gonna do over 255 damage on crits like that lol

[turbid ibex]

Then why did you call it a peashooter

[steep flower]

Yeah about that; when i get home i’ll show ya a clip how ‘bad’ peashooter is

Now back 2 work i go

(My head spins)

[soft trellis]

Because... it's the gun with the highest mag capacity, and the ranged with the 3rd highest(since the ones with more tie for 1st) >.>

[steep flower]

Repeater crossbow?

Also; i am sorry @tall torrent ; i honestly did not saw the ‘pls’ in the message, trully

[turbid ibex]

Peashooter means its damage is bad not the amount of ammo you can carry

[tall torrent]

It’s kinda funny how much dps difference there is between inf auto and twin stubber

[soft trellis]

saltz and ker's one have a 15 mag

[steep flower]

But then again it’s like… smol gun & heavy gun… and it should be the opposite… convoluted

[steep flower]

I Love shades crossbow

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-grenade-truth-nuke-gif-6248133608324632914

The bracing on the twin linkeds also take way too long from what i remember the last time i used them

[steep flower]

Only on krouk & gorgonum; achlyss is like… instant

Very snappy

[turbid ibex]

Specially with how they still felt really hard to control when braced

[steep flower]

Thats purely due to you using a controller sadly; on PC with mouse & keyboard recoil is non-existant

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/live-bile-troll-reaction-bile-troll-vermintide-vermintide-2-versus-versus-gif-14791691335031301398

[tall torrent]

I did tell u pls stop

I use quotation marks to refer to my own metrics of judging if smth is good

U can play with a weapon and do well even if it’s not good in my metrics. Doing so still says scarcely little about the weapon itself

[steep flower]

On that i can agree fully

[tall torrent]

Calling twin stubber good to me is essentially putting it at the same tier as infantry autogun V

In which case it’s nowhere even close

No amount of dedicated spec will change that without the weapon itself being buffed

[turbid ibex]

PBB also isnt that good iirc right?

[tall torrent]

This is on top of twin stubber’s dedicated spec running adverse to Ogryn’s best talents

[tall torrent]

It’s a playstyle that has notable value in niche situations but not as versatile as the other two

[calm shard]

PBB is a button you press to instantaneously and single handedly resolve any situation

At the cost of a fuckton of ammo

[steep flower]

Depends; in comparison to other 2 choices its the least good in terms of CC & survivability on its own

[turbid ibex]

I dont understand why they decided to give PBB a 80s cooldown

[steep flower]

Don’t matter when you run bruiser & maximum firepower

[tall torrent]

Like
Yea u can run PBB + crit spec + BLO to make twin stubber ok

U can also just run pickaxe + charge/taunt + heavy hitter and do the exact same thing safer against a much wider range of enemies while using no ammo

[steep flower]

And cdr perks on curios

[calm shard]

because it allows you to kill literally everything on the screen by yourself

[tall torrent]

Because it’s like a one time thing

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/q9LPLnr

you press PBB

and you win

[mortal aspen]

I once pressed 3 PBBs in a row

[steep flower]

Ofc; but variance is there and using something new albeit less effective in some areas is refreshing & keeps you playing the game for many ppl

[mortal aspen]

given enough elites, it has 0 cooldown

[turbid ibex]

It can be refreshing but the gap in effectiveness should be fairly narrow

[steep flower]

Or just use the same’ol same’ol & call it a day; choice is up to the player; and i like to show it

[tall torrent]

There’s nothing wrong with experimentation but calling smth good when it’s not remotely close to smth actually good is how steam forum opinions are created

[calm shard]

I do like twin stubber PBB though

just press it and kill every single gunner/bulwark in a room

boss damage is okay

[turbid ibex]

Rumbler doesnt count

[tame lodge]

It makes your full auto shotgun be fuller auto

[steep flower]

Ripper?

[tame lodge]

Luv me pbb foerend

I can be trusted with a full auto shotgun

I promise I won't go red ammo in the first 2 minutes

[turbid ibex]

I wish ogryn had more options for full auto guns besides ripper and twin linked

[tame lodge]

[calm shard]

I wish they had a branch on BLO that better sustained fully automatic weapons

back off allows rumbler to have infinite ammo situationally

[tall torrent]

Besides

That same crit dedicated spec is pretty significantly better on ripper VI than twin stubber

[steep flower]

That could be interesting

[calm shard]

how about some way to proc BLO more often if you're shooting a lot

Like a LOT a lot

[turbid ibex]

Yeah thats something i wished too

[calm shard]

So gunlugger's don't have to devour the entire ammo supply of an auric mission to function

[steep flower]

Can’t go full auto tho… you burst

[tall torrent]

I wish right side ogryn had more hybrid picks instead of ranged only

[calm shard]

true

[turbid ibex]

Ye

[steep flower]

It does have some nodes that work for a hybrid wdym

On left side 2

Even the keystone has it; its called ‘back off’

[tall torrent]

Both nodes that lead to crit spec are ranged only

[turbid ibex]

2 of the hybrid nodes are quite deep down in the tree

[tall torrent]

Spray and slay is basically only relevant for kickback and rumbler

There’s no synergistic talent for playing automatic gun with melee hybrid

[normal bay]

Only way I've found hybrid to work on the twinks is with a build with mid melee and a mid gun lol

[tall torrent]

Pacemaker is ranged
Reloaded and ready is ranged
Unstoppable momentum and mobile emplacement are ranged
Spray and slay is relevant for 2 single-shot-reload guns

[tall torrent]

Exactly

[turbid ibex]

One thing i thought of was making it so good shootin also made crit hits guaranteed to proc lucky bullet

[tall torrent]

There’s no good talent build for running a hybrid with automatic gun and melee

[normal bay]

And full gun build means your melee is going to suck (or run a pickaxe)

[tall torrent]

There’s only 1 option for running hybrid with kickback/rumbler with melee and it’s not really hybrid at that point

U will melee significantly more than u will shoot

[steep flower]

Same for WS with PS & ADS Revolver; you do the same; shoot once, slice many times

As you’re shown long time ago in a clip

[tall torrent]

Yes

But veteran has the option to run a diff gun

And not be too terribly off

[turbid ibex]

I dont mind that kickback, rumbler and gg are the best options for hybrid tbh

[tall torrent]

On ogryn that option doesn’t exist

U cannot spec bottom right into true hybrid

[steep flower]

GG is like stretching it there but still yes

[normal bay]

GG on hybrid

[tall torrent]

While ogryn has remarkable left and middle tree picks

[turbid ibex]

I prob just have different definitions tbf

But still

[tame lodge]

#GiveSkullcrusherToGrenadierGauntlet

[steep flower]

Lets be real tho; not only weapon choices but the class design itself matters;
Vet was primarily ranged
Ogryn was primarily melee

That needs to be included

[normal bay]

GG doesn't really benefit much from hybrid, you can one shot most everything you want to shoot it at

[tame lodge]

Pinpoint, my beloved

[normal bay]

Without any ranged nodes

[turbid ibex]

Fair enough

[normal bay]

Heavy stubbers are in a similar position

[steep flower]

A hybrid without hybrid nodes cause its that good it does not need them

[turbid ibex]

Im thinking more about playstyle than build necessarily

[tall torrent]

I don’t think veteran’s hybrid is even that particularly good because onslaught placement is not great and there’s no intermediate option for weapons that shoot repeatedly but don’t shoot that fast

[turbid ibex]

By design those weapons will be much more favored for hybrid playstyles cause you can just swap to them, fire once or twice and then go back to melee

[tall torrent]

The best talent for actual hybrid is agile engagement

Which doesn’t care what gun u use

It just works

A talent for hybrid that is gun specific is not good

[normal bay]

That just sounds like a melee build? Lol

[steep flower]

I just wish it was at a better spot on the tree

[turbid ibex]

Its more so about time investment

Weapons that are faster will be more favored over slower ones in hybrid playstyles i think

Like a bolter prob isnt the best pick for hybrid cause it takes 3-4 business days to draw unless you use specific tech that isnt universal

[turbid ibex]

I think its much more of an issue for ogryn because he has way less options than any other class for weapons

Not saying you dont have a point there though

[analog mural]

The reload cancel is universal though

Just not as widely known as tknife cancel

[ocean idol]

So havoc pretty dead?

[analog mural]

Some would say "always has been"

[ocean idol]

well it was stupid idea in the first place

had waves not taught them anything

[soft trellis]

This was the best I ever got at making a ranged oggy build that also can survive a bit better for the bottom part of the tree... that's for the achlys twin linked stubber x.x

and a club/shovel

And no, I don't recommend doing stupid stuff like that >.>

Still, the 20% melee damage from the left aura and the node directly below it helps the melee a decent bit

Concentrate actually does a good bit for killing enemies that are further away for the achlys twin linked stubber >.>

[steep flower]

Ok you managed to make a build which can choose all 3 auras; thats impressive

[steep flower]

But don’t use concentrate unless you use a controller then i call you poor unfortunate soul

[soft trellis]

I mean... I don't like the coward culling aura... stay close is neat, but, more melee damage helps the ranged build do melee better so bonebreaker's aura was the way I went

[soft trellis]

I've done runs with and without it. And every time I didn't have it I actively felt it being a hinderance to take out the enemy that was a decent distance away(like 40m away)

Mainly snipers <.<

Besides... I'm not doing a whole lot else with the stamina at the time I am aiming at enemies so the reduced recoil, reduced spread, and reduced sway help

[steep flower]

Simply in that situation; you tap the trigger in order to shoot; don’t hold it; try it in the psykanium

[soft trellis]

Sure, but, I want the thing dead sooner not later

[normal bay]

I have a very similar build for my twin linked. Concentrate is very noticeable for longer ranged enemies. You cant compensate for a weapons natural bloom with better aim

[steep flower]

Make it so you shoot 3 bullets; it has a rhythm to it

[steep flower]

Trust me it will be

[novel saddle]

Throw a rock at it

[hollow ibex]

yeah went back to the mk6, it just feels better

[soft trellis]

idk, all the shots hitting while shooting is pretty fast

Outside of the twin linked stubber tho, I've never even considered concentrate

[steep flower]

Its more so not getting reduced acc when full auto at long range thats why tapping the trigger is the best way to snipe with twin linked

[void dragon]

Does tapping reset the spread to a specific point to take down snipers? I usually just crouch to try to suppress ranged enemies as I move forward, any kill is considered a gift of the Emperor

[steep flower]

It does not ramp up the negative acc as fast and since you stop it resets as much as it can before you shoot again; try it in psykanium & compare to fully auto & while moving cause that also speeds up negative acc

Bracing & hipfiring too

[orchid hemlock]

You don't need crit on achyls

[steep flower]

As a matter of fact you do; on havoc atleast

[steep flower]

Oh i just saw you did not grab the lucky streak… why

[orchid hemlock]

Running out of ammo 5 minutes in

[steep flower]

If you dunno how 2 micromanage yes

[orchid hemlock]

Is stubb Gungryn actually viable in havoc 40s?

I feel like just one pox walker will fuck your cleave

[void dragon]

Ogryn + Micromanage = Error... whatever is after 3

[mortal aspen]

it's not weaves and it's not dead

[steep flower]

Yes; with crit build it is

[orchid hemlock]

How?

I thought crit damage is poopoo on Ogryn

[steep flower]

Will show a clips saved how it looks like; at work & waiting for delivery; have patience

[void dragon]

It kinda is, but the achlys has chain of crits, so more damage for many shots, and its cleave is greater iirc

[steep flower]

It is but due to how BLO works its making it work very well

[steep flower]

This is the build; havoc tested many times (i’m yet to make a guide for it )

[orchid hemlock]

This is what I used to use for crit Ogryn build, but I felt that not having good melee damage fucked me

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c5c533b-b4b0-4a2f-9653-080a9665e20b/insert-cringe-game-of-thrones-refference-here?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[steep flower]

Yeah; compare it to mine above

Gonna screen weapons gimme sec

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah it's similar you just put extra points in the right instead of the 2 melee nodes on the left

[orchid hemlock]

I also get nervous taking knife because not having good carapace answers is one of the weaknesses of the stubber 😞

[steep flower]

With my build you can shoot carapace & win; knife has tenderizer and you punch - light - light - repeat

[steep flower]

Thats why there is no fire augment but rending instead; helps with flak & cara

[void dragon]

Isn't it better to use the MK3 cleaver? So you can stab a fool with the push attack combo, benefiting from tenderise, and can still use it with the regular attacks Vs hordes. What has been your experience with that?

[steep flower]

Mk3 is the worst cleaver now due to moveset; mk4 has the best cara dmg of all cleavers due to moveset and its very fast to execute; horde clear is simple too
Push att - heavy - light - heavy - light and so on

And its soo fast you don’t need frenzied blows

Slaughterer helps with chaf cause it’s easy to stack & tenderizer is good for singles

[ocean idol]

Why there are so m any poxbursters trains now lmao

Often seeing 10+ of them

[steep flower]

Event?

[void dragon]

Mk6 overtook the MK3?! When that happened?!!!

[steep flower]

Cause mk6 has heavy swipes & unstoppable force is bugged & op

[void dragon]

An ObeseFish classic, is that why I can chain heavy attacks without fully charging and still benefit from that blessing?

I knew that was strong but not "better-than-mk3" strong

[orchid hemlock]

Always

The 2 lights stabs have the best pen values for cara out of all the knives

[void dragon]

I need no sarcasm good fellow boneheaded ogryn

To think that the bull butcher has fallen so much in grace

Not even the push brittleness will save it?

[orchid hemlock]

But I want to melt everything 😞

[sonic kayak]

You can; Make the armor into slag with your Rending bullets

[jade flower]

for the penance "On overwatch" does damage mean taking health damage or does it mean toughness as well?

[mortal aspen]

health

[jade flower]

Another question! What do you guys recommend for curios?

[turbid ibex]

dont take wounds

[red robin]

I’m a fan of +3 stamina curios, I run 3x of them, but it kinda makes you squishy for something you can just manage better, can never go wrong with 1-2x 17% toughness curios, atleast 1x 21% health is good to prevent sniper oneshots if you got one sniper resist perk slotted

[jade flower]

Never been a fan of wounds, I always see it as incase I die when the goal is generally not to die.

[red robin]

Also makes the heal stim really good for healing

[raw needle]

gatekeeping the secret plasma wound kamikaze build

i see

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bpGHG.gif

[jade flower]

appreciate the help folks! thank you

[void dragon]

Isn't the power of rending letting you turn caparace into swiss cheese not enough? You truly are addicted to cooking with fire aren't you?

[orchid hemlock]

Wait what if I take dominate AND hail of fire 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[plain osprey]

Are there any lmgs in lore veterans could get?

[hollow ibex]

There’s prob human sized stubbers

[grand perch]

sergeant harker be like

just wield a heavy bolter wdym

or "try again" bragg

[void dragon]

New skill for the future Vet rework, soon in the year 40000

[turbid ibex]

We could get something like what the scab gunner uses

[primal shuttle]

what stat do you want to be 60 on youre plsama gun?

[tame lodge]

None

@tired egret

Alternatively

60 thermal

[red robin]

I just want more hyper mobile pistol type weapons

I’m a fan of las pistol, revolver and machine pistol (abysmal dogshit)

Oh and bolt pistol

Love bolt pistol

[primal shuttle]

why did you have this ready lol

[tame lodge]

If happens frequently

[primal shuttle]

oke then

[tame lodge]

Since we can't have a bot to automatically answer, a regular just set up the name

So we don't get the values mixed

[red robin]

Hero

[heavy rover]

That's a great idea, we should have a dedicated bot

[grand perch]

every time longlas is mentioned...

i want that bot

[soft trellis]

I honestly don't have an answer for that. I don't know why I didn't

[soft trellis]

The crit is for sustain with charmed reload.

I don't need the crits themselves besides to proc charmed reload which helps with extended fights

[midnight wyvern]

is longlas the sniper?

[grand perch]

yes

[faint beacon]

No mention of Helguns

[grand perch]

i see helguns as a real possibility to be added

longlas not so much

[sudden cedar]

I thought about longlas rifles and.. somehow.. they feel quite similar to the Thunder Hammer

[tame lodge]

It'll fall to specialized weapon yeah

[sudden cedar]

After all, the two would be hard hitting single target weapons mostly

[turbid ibex]

It still feels like a word that leads to a deez nuts joke

[grand perch]

sir this is vet channel

no fun allowed

[sharp epoch]

you know what nerf vet

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/dumbledore-frustrated-harry-potter-i-give-up-give-gif-4407991

yeah sure why not

[sudden cedar]

We clearly need a las-shotgun

[turbid ibex]

Shotlasgun

Alternatively meltagun

Are las-shotguns even a thing in lore

[tame lodge]

True
Vet can't walk around with an infinite ammo long range with bayonet and high damage per shot

Nerf vet

[mortal aspen]

sawed-off double-barrel shot-lasgun

[turbid ibex]

Hear me out

Sawed-on

[grand perch]

i distinctly remember one crudely modified by some hive ganger to be a shotgun

[midnight wyvern]

I wouldn't even care if the Longlas doesn't fit the game

It'd be interesting lol

if it works like the snipers ones you'd have a charge up, and some hella damage/punch through

[tame lodge]

Fatshark should just add stuff for the sake of adding stuff

Arby's have a RoboCop mode and it's quite uneventful

[midnight wyvern]

like, balance it of course, but let us try and make it work

[tame lodge]

Just for the sake of robocop

[midnight wyvern]

rather than not adding it because "it wouldn't be fun in the game"

[grand perch]

please, just...no

no pointless bloat please

[turbid ibex]

That just sounds like the helbore

[turbid ibex]

I like it

[tame lodge]

QoL they should let you end the stance sooner

[turbid ibex]

Could be neat

[grand perch]

just make it so it plays subway surfer on your screen on the right

[tame lodge]

That's QoL for chorus

[plain osprey]

Vet on my team was rocking this. On exce stance

We wiped

[sudden cedar]

That isn't even that horrible of a weapon.

[midnight wyvern]

yea thats fine lol

[steep flower]

I used it before; it’s serviceable but slightly worse in dmg vs crushers which is the reason i took rending over fire + it helps with flak adm

Try it; its gonna be nice if you have points for it

[umbral scaffold]

what's yer fav shovel?

[narrow frost]

mk1

[steep flower]

@orchid hemlock @turbid ibex As promised; here are the clips on how the build performs
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/16746769911294583543/ED0E3279263A206963FD4AF1559E60FE80E32D98/
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/17045735274469744897/5647C41C959F6CBF5145B2A264A5E3B7CF5A9432/
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14925419666337117555/51C9E63E858043B4249B0258EED0E2C68B032490/

[tame lodge]

Seven. Seven seven seven seven seven

[mortal aspen]

that's the achlys one, yeah?

[steep flower]

yup; the draw & ready speed on it is broken in comparison to other 2...

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Achlys

[steep flower]

thats why i use it; its snappy; if gorgonum was more snappy i would use that one

or even krouk cause i like its sound

and looks

[hollow axle]

What are good build and weapon for Havoc with smoke grenades ?

[serene bough]

you just take the typical build while accepting the point tax for using smokes

i.e., path through survivalist after grabbing smokes and grenade tinkerer

[narrow frost]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9eef9e6c-a634-498c-a420-3c6e67e30c25/ainz-vet-troll-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[hollow axle]

Troll build ?

[narrow frost]

yes

if you play this with a metaslave you will get kicked cause how good it is (joke)

this is just the build I use on my vet

and the one I use in my videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhrV7dDOmqo&t=456s

[tame lodge]

It's smokes

They've been taking unnecessary hate since forever

[primal zealot]

i just wanna see

[hollow axle]

Why shotgun ? I'm pretty intrigued

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-hookah-shisha-adalya-hookahbuzz-gif-21917650

[narrow frost]

mixed horde clear/anti rager

[hollow axle]

Power sword is not a horde clear ?

[narrow frost]

ragers are still scary

go ahead fight a red rager with fading light 2

with Psword

[plain osprey]

Looks interesting.

[plain osprey]

Not in melee lmao.

Not If i can avoid that and shoot it instead

Anyways, good night chat.

🌛

[grave cape]

< I was trying to do the no melee damage penance. Took 1 damage from a rager

[sudden cedar]

@grave cape Keep trying until you succeed.

[grave cape]

thanks! I will. I've found my map for it

[sudden cedar]

You will succeed when you least expect it.

[grave cape]

lol, I got the no ranged damage one on a havoc map

good teammates makes such a difference

[sudden cedar]

Indeed they do.

[tall torrent]

there's a big difference between fighting 8 ragers at once and fighting 4 at once
DB shotgun is great for thinning mixed hordes

[solid talon]

Thoughts on combat shotgun for Vet? Thinkin of trying one out

[narrow frost]

try agri combat shotgun

one of the best sniper weapons in the game with the slug

can easily reach 1 shots even in havoc 40

[solid talon]

oh shit really? Any breakpoints I need to know about?

[narrow frost]

on specials and elite gunners

nothing I can think of outside of havoc

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent if I use ws on the combat shotgun should I build if different?

[sonic kayak]

No, you're already perfect

[hollow wadi]

would it be worth using the sapper shovel MKIII for carapace? like should i put damage points into that? finding this weapon hard to make a build for.

[tall torrent]

it's ok

[tame lodge]

Yesnt

There are better weapons out there

Acknowledge that

Then use shovel

[tall torrent]

wdym build it different

[tropic notch]

Blessings

[tall torrent]

there's like 1 way to run mk7 combat shotgun

[tropic notch]

Should I use manstopper and such

[tall torrent]

eh

u could

but I'm not the biggest fan of manstopper on this shotgun

[tropic notch]

Or is dbarrel just better for it

[hollow wadi]

so i can use it for carapace, not having to bring a gun to cover that armour type. ill see what i can do with it. maybe im just expecting massive damage numbers when i shouldnt be thinking that from the weapon

[tall torrent]

cuz u don't get the slug loaded from always prepared

[tropic notch]

That’s true

[faint beacon]

I mean you could just run without it or waste an extra shell but that feels off

Esp on CS

[tall torrent]

if they changed always prepared to always load the special ammo for combat shotgun

then yea

[faint beacon]

Idk id really only see use for it on a mainly melee focused build that’s purposely not taking always

[tame lodge]

Yeah get Uncanny + Thrust/Skullcrusher for carapace purposes

[faint beacon]

Dare I say a build that actually runs invigorated

[tall torrent]

invigorated could be good if it was +10% atk speed

[sonic marlin]

at which rank do havoc missions go from heresy to damnation, 20 is still heresy?

[tall torrent]

21~40 damnation scaling

[sonic marlin]

ty

[sacred yacht]

Does anyone have a decent build for Executioners stance?

I'm not sold on what I find in Games Lanturn.

[hollow ibex]

what gun are you using?

[hollow ibex]

good instinct

[sacred yacht]

It can be whatever really, I've got 800 hours in so whatever works honestly.

[hollow ibex]

this is pretty standard

5 points you can use to pick up a keystone, counter-fire and other stuff of your choice

how i build tends to be weapon specific so this is just a generic shell build

[sacred yacht]

Any reccommendations on the weapon?

Thank you, that will also help.

[hollow ibex]

ES goes well with most ranged weapons

ilas, IAG, helbore, etc

for keystones, WS is prob less synergistic, but FT works well

and MMF as well, if you can stomach it

[umbral scaffold]

Hey all, is there a recon las build that works great for auric and above? I’ve been playing a around with one build with success on damnation, but curious to know if there’s an optimal for auric

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3a17a9-c4c4-4f9b-855b-c37250ad14f2/basic-bitch-recon-las

[primal zealot]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f5237c8-6aa3-4a6f-987b-cf4a54c388da/boges-laser-pointer

[orchid hemlock]

The chosen one

[primal zealot]

its kindofa meme but it melts bosses rly fast

[sacred yacht]

Funny, I was using the rapid fire lasgun well before it became a meme.

[primal zealot]

oh not the gun just my particular build is a meme

sorta. its rly strong at special/elite/boss killing but lacking in horde clear

[grand perch]

fucking snipers man

[hollow ibex]

rip

first clip from my favorite ww2 documentary

[steep flower]

Core that i use; you have 4 free talents to put where you need

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Field Improv

[steep flower]

Always

A staple of quality

[grand perch]

@quiet valley be advised, cybernetic legs in the slop store

I repeat, utilise your purchasing power

[steep flower]

Ngl; if i had aquilas i would buy them

They are worth

[grand perch]

i just think its funny i asked scab if he had that cosmetic three days ago, and suddenly the new rotation has it

the portly megalodon is listening i tell you

[steep flower]

I might get aquilas just for the legs

might

[turbid ibex]

It still pisses me off how few shots the ilas gets each reload

Even a 80% ammo ilas has only an effective ammo count of 36/240

[steep flower]

Thats vigilant graya autogun no?

[turbid ibex]

Nope

Ilas consumes 3 ammo per shot

80% ammo roll gives 108/720 ammo

Divide by 3 and you get 36/240

[distant mural]

Yeah the numbers on las weapons allways bothered me.

Like why?

[turbid ibex]

Honestly its a shame how many iconic 40k weapons got done dirty in this game

Chain weapons, ilas, power sword

At the very least they nailed it with the bolter

Imagine if they fucked that one up

[turbid ibex]

Ngl i feel like they should just get rid of the gimmick with lasguns consuming more than one ammo per shot

Except for the helbore cause of the charged shots

That one makes sense

[distant mural]

Chain weapons really need love.

[turbid ibex]

-make all the ilas mks consume only 1 ammo per shot
-slightly decrease the ammo per reload of the mk 9 (~80 with max ammo)
-lower the reserve ammo to about 3 full reloads (its still a massive net increase to ammo)
-make them bounce way less when firing cause its a fucking laser
-make them have better mobility stats than the bolter

[midnight wyvern]

bolter should do more damage

https://tenor.com/view/salute-cat-cute-yessir-gif-17449845613192073437

[turbid ibex]

What stuff is there that outdamages it?

[midnight wyvern]

my will to live

but nah, is joke, I don't think anything will out DPS it

I think plenty will out sustain it, hell, hellbore probably has the most damage in the game

[turbid ibex]

I knew it was a joke, was just curious if there actually was anything stupid that could outdamage it when it really shouldnt

[turbid ibex]

And thats fine imo

[midnight wyvern]

if against captains, maybe arb maul with the bug

[turbid ibex]

The bolter has weaknesses but it also has very good strengths

[midnight wyvern]

nothing really beats nearly completely shutting down a H40 plogryn in 1 mag

from 106k to like

15k

perfectly finishable for others lol

[tame lodge]

Mk4 should still have the highest damage per shot in the game yeah

Just the casual Helbore W

As always

[midnight wyvern]

yeah, plus it having access to shock trooper

possibility of technically never running out of ammo while also doing alot of damage

[heavy rover]

Yeah, I run helbore on havoc 40's and almost never need to pick up ammo. I only do pickups if the rest of the team have walked past it after I pinged it

[tall nest]

honestly hellbore is like the way to go with havoc 40 so you never worry about ammo with plasma it sometimes is so annoying when the local arbites just yoinks all the ammo for no good reason

[tame lodge]

True

Just use the dog for ranged purposes

[sudden cedar]

But they do have a good reason. Because, they need to kill. They need highest damage. Highest kills.

What do you mean that is not a good reason?

[tame lodge]

Green circle chasers in the big 2025

https://tenor.com/view/crying-one-piece-anime-gif-4502646032764566609

[tall nest]

It's fun to circle chase when you are actually doing smth

[steep flower]

Thunder hammer on charge can compete but thats thunder hammer

[steep flower]

In a long run yes
In a sprint no

[steep flower]

Like any weapon in any game; if there are no downsides its usually op

[steep flower]

Against 1 boss sure but if you have no reload (which i presume you still don’t) the moment 2nd boss comes with everything else you lose on not having any staying power + waiting on focus stacks & shout for buff ect ect

[steep flower]

Sadly ppl still don’t pay attention

[steep flower]

Even when you do pick all the ammo with plasma you run out; it has dogshit ammo economy
Whenever I see a vet with plasma in my lobby i know eventually we will have no range clear

[sudden cedar]

There are exceptions i would say.

[steep flower]

Ye no range feed

[sudden cedar]

[steep flower]

And flex range on other teammates

[sudden cedar]

Support ranged clear needed for sure.

[heavy rover]

Shhh, let them complain, it'll allow us to enjoy the helbore without the rest asking it to be nerfed to the ground

[sudden cedar]

[steep flower]

🤫

[turbid ibex]

Ok i just found out something that makes this even worse

The fucking laspistol has the same effective mag size

And to add insult to injury it has more effective ammo

72/504 ammo with 2 consumed per shot is effectively 36/252 real ammo

12 more than the ilas

[tall nest]

For me i love playing plasma cause it fits the playstyle of quickly swapping to snipe an important target through a horde but sometimes you get overran with elites and you need to plasma clear them

[turbid ibex]

And it doesnt have that stupid bounce every time it fires

[steep flower]

Batteries are bigger = heavier

Can’t carry much

[tall nest]

But after so many games i fully switched to helbore cause not having ammo was so unfun

I usually apply to parties with plasma then switch to helbore when we get in

[steep flower]

Or shredders

[steep flower]

Some ppl do not like that (me included); if they don’t accept you for who/what you are then they were never really meant to

[tall nest]

I wish they reward skill with vet and making it so headshots don't consume ammo or refunds you ammo

[turbid ibex]

It still shouldnt have as much/more ammo then the ilas imo

[tall nest]

Am just trying to play and have fun am not running to troll or anything if i don't find games sometimes just gotta do smth like that

There isn't a quick way to just get into a havoc 40 lobby

[turbid ibex]

Vet already has quite a bit of stuff that incentivizes headshots

[steep flower]

Ofc never troll

[steep flower]

Can always poke me; we got a W when we played & it was smooth

[tall nest]

Also the system of losing your rank makes people not want to play which is so boring

A better one would be if they reset havoc ranks every 2 weeks so if you are like 40 clear you would be 30 or 25 or whatever with better curated modifers and map rotation

And give us way more gold cause 130k or whatever for havoc 40 is actually nothing

It should be like 2mil gold

[steep flower]

You performed well and we welcome you! @sudden cedar was just a lil cranky at the end event when you snipped that sniper away from him so he would not get his buffs ;p
#classiczealot
jk btw; we were all very tired then and Eve had a rough day he didn’t meant it

[tall nest]

Hm i didn't know there was any animosity LMFAOOOO

I don't have issues with anyone

[steep flower]

The best part; there was none

Thats what i mean

Even i get cranky due to tiredness, everyone does

[tall nest]

But also yeah am down to play more games with you guys

Havoc is lots of fun

[steep flower]

He likes you

[steep flower]

Perfect! Add me on discord

[sonic kayak]

Thank you for helping

[sudden cedar]

@tall nest i will confirm this, yes i was like very tired and usually i have no problems when things iam about to kill in melee will get killed by others, but it happened multiple times in quick succession so i got cranky, but it happens. Such a thing rarely stays for long.

[tall nest]

It will happen again don't worry

Bring a gun to a knife fight

[jade flower]

I have a question about the helbore lasgun, am I using it wrong or does it just feel weak?

[tall torrent]

Are u building crit and aiming for head at the same time

[tame lodge]

Can you hit heads?

Do you have surgical?

Which marks you using

[untold nymph]

Is sliding a good tactic for not getting shot at

[tall torrent]

Yes

[umbral scaffold]

are recons H40 viable?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[untold nymph]

What blessings should I apply on recon

[tame lodge]

Dumdum + Deathspitter/Infernus

Dumdum Infernus is the popular pick

[sudden cedar]

@tall nest

[jade flower]

Not always. I panic fire for the most part. I'm still getting used to veteran after playing ogryn for so long, amazed by how squishy I am and how most my weapons actually require me to aim other than just point in the general direction of the enemy.

[sudden cedar]

[hollow ibex]

use recon las

[umbral scaffold]

bolter feels so clunky to use

[tall nest]

If you hit headshots you will kill stuff but don't expect it to be a plasma / bolt gun where you can just aim at the general direction of enemies and they disappear

[mortal aspen]

unfortunately yes

[grand perch]

Shooting them first: also a great idea

[solid talon]

Question. If I try out power sword do I have to constantly charge the blade to do acceptable damage?

Or is it more of a "when a big target shows up" kinda thing?

[hollow ibex]

you have a power sword when it's charged

when it's uncharged, you have a pool noodle

[heavy rover]

Sadly you do have to constantly charge it. Uncharged it's like a wet noodle

[hollow ibex]

tbf it gets the insane damage precisely because it requires constant charging

if they gave it rb heat mechanics, it would need to be nerfed

[solid talon]

Awh man, thanks for the heads up at least

Tryin to branch into some new weapons. Usually did Assault chainsword on my vet cause pretty easy horde clear is fun

[tame lodge]

Gotta press that kill everything button every 3 swings (with power Cycler)

[solid talon]

Hrmmm, any suggestions on Melees that got some pretty good horde clear that can do some good damage to a scab mauler?

[tame lodge]

Rashad Combat Axe

[solid talon]

I do need to try out the combat axes, anything I need to know about them in particular?

[tame lodge]

You'll need the Brutal Momentum blessing

Push Attack can knock knock ragers out of their combos

[solid talon]

Yo thats hype

[tame lodge]

Light attack against pretty much everything
Except Carapace and Unyielding, you heavy for those

[solid talon]

Hellyeah thanks for the tips!

[tame lodge]

They are also on the slower side of attack speed

[solid talon]

Gottchuuu

So brutal momentum just lets you cleave more when you kill?

[hollow ibex]

it makes the first 3 enemies you hit not count towards your normal cleave, assuming you can get weakspot kills on all of them

so basically yes, but even stronger

[solid talon]

Yooo

[hollow ibex]

generally if you have a weapon with brumetum, you take brumentum

[solid talon]

Yeh I can already see why for the push attack into hordes lmao

[odd sparrow]

horde clear uncharged is ok on heavies, but against chunkier targets you really need the juice

[solid talon]

Ah I gottchu

[steep flower]

Mk3 shovel

[tall torrent]

if weakspot kill, ignore this enemy's mass and maintain current cleave dmg profile onto the next enemy
this works up to 3 times, only against non-ogryn enemies

[turbid ibex]

It would likely be much more fun to use too

[tropic notch]

Path how do I get good at this game

[covert fable]

Shoot bugs

[solid talon]

Oh I thought people said the shovel was a meme

Well once my teamates can function and let me pass a mission to get some dockets I'll try one out

[winter spoke]

infiltrate feels v. nice right now

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/pez-autism-autistic-light-block-gif-8763019318647950839

[solid talon]

I swear. I joined into damnation. team whipe first room, drop to heresy, team whipe 3 rooms in

I guess i gotta go lower

I dont remember the game being this tough

[covert fable]

Try auric, it was weirdly easier than damnation on my first time

[solid talon]

I still need like 60 missions on damnation

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/boomb-cat-boomb-cat-boom-cat-explosion-explosion-gif-gif-17107588862516012936

[solid talon]

I want to blame the fact that I'm the only one focusing gunners packs and tox bombers but that wouldn't be fair to my teams to assume

[covert fable]

Bleh

[steep flower]

Bias; ppl sleep on many weapons in general

[solid talon]

True

[narrow widget]

become the solo carry vet you know you can be

[covert fable]

do you think it could be because of havoc

[solid talon]

Im like... bad

[covert fable]

get better

[narrow widget]

lock in

[solid talon]

[sudden cedar]

You can do it.

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent how much uptime does not far behind have on Arby?

[tall torrent]

it's up when u need it

[tall torrent]

go to character select
select ur arbitrator
press X
press confirm

[tame lodge]

Arby's propaganda

https://tenor.com/view/crying-one-piece-anime-gif-4502646032764566609

[spice shard]

run round slamming the greatest weapon of all time into enemies

the rock

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027335984964190312/1412205492348129330/cat-ts-pmo.gif

Mmmmm

Me will think about dat

[sudden cedar]

I'd recommend something easier, remove all the mods and play raw.

[tame lodge]

Get a better headset

And a better gaming chair

[turbid ibex]

more rgb

[steep flower]

NO

[muted peak]

What blessings go well with chaxe mark 4?

[steep flower]

bloodletter & shattering is what i use

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-13389545616236957540

[solid talon]

I swear, darktide keeps throwing 4-5 gunners at me as soon as I'm away from cover, Even with 3 gunner DR curios I get shredded. Maybe it's time to take a break

[narrow widget]

slide

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-neo-keanu-reeves-power-windy-gif-15235043

[turbid ibex]

iirc the damage reduction from curios isnt additive

so its not a total 60% dr from gunners

[solid talon]

Yeh I know it isn't, I just hate them that much

[solid talon]

I need to remember that I can honestly

I keep forgetting its a feature

Bout to swap it to bombers honestly though, cause like... the tox bombers got CS:Go lineups I swear

[void dragon]

you must slide at all chances you can
running around? slide
getting shot? slide
charging a heavy attack? slide
eating your rashuns? slide
racing your fellow rejects for that ammo pack? you guessed it: slide

[solid talon]

Yeah, gotta get used to having to sprint again after the slide though, and doing the input in general lmao. I like never slide in games, just a new learning curve

[narrow widget]

just hold down sprint
you don't need to reengage it

[void dragon]

I usually just hold the sprint and keep timing my crouching to slide, honestly the act of turn around to a corner and sliding has saved me SO many times in Havocs, it's so simple yet vital

[solid talon]

Ohh, I use toggle sprint so I never tried holding it, thanks a ton

[hybrid plover]

Bomber resistance doesn't do much against tox bombers

You're better off just keeping the gunner resist.

[solid talon]

Damn, the rise of rebreather arby might be closer than I thought

[muted peak]

[sudden cedar]

I am not a fan of that talent nor of bomber resistance.

[tame lodge]

Just accept the boof

[sudden cedar]

The what?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/judgment-kaito-lost-judgment-gif-23782042

https://tenor.com/view/war-make-boof-gif-26213687

[sudden cedar]

Now give me a clear answer instead of this nonsense.

[tame lodge]

Just breathe the gas bruv

[merry gale]

have a lungful of that

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/tayomaki-meme-stressed-sakigifs-gif-22332392

[sudden cedar]

I see, no clear answer given.

[tame lodge]

That's pretty clear

Embrace the gas

It conceals you from ranged

The pox bomber applies toughness generation Debuff but the maelstrom modifier applies toughness generation buff

[grand perch]

that mother karkin poxwalker

i just wanna throw proper tactical smokes and he denies it

[sudden cedar]

I will not willingly stay in pox gas

[sharp epoch]

he helped you, smokes function like psyker bubbles

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/forgot-the-boof-gif-24617513

[grand perch]

yes, and i wanted it over there not right here

[sharp epoch]

no wrong!!!!!

[steep flower]

the meme should not be this choosable

[solid talon]

Lmao

[spark helm]

Anyone got some solid darktide performance troubleshooting guides? Recently had to rollback my graphics driver and that seems to have fixed some issues with another game that had a similar problem. Are there any common issues I should know about with how the game handles playing off of win11? Is it worth setting a different directx for this game as a baseline safeguard?

[sonic kayak]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/e/2PACX-1vRN6KRFvgKnNu9t-nseWel-N9ty9NUBafzIfqqBZdyl2I4utOr60SqQlzdAo2CsFLzYvHg1IRUf3Huh/pub?pli=1

Courtesy of @tender rose

[jade flower]

Can anyone suggest for me a melee and ranged weapon combo that will work for the adept assassin penance? I was thinking maybe power sword and something like maybe plasma?

Or when in trouble grab the shovel.

[distant plaza]

something and the revolver?
my dumb ass probably used the chainaxe

[jade flower]

I've not used the chain axe in a very long time, is it bad or something?

[distant plaza]

feels like i'm clubbing things to death with it rather than rip and tear

[jade flower]

As an ogryn main most weapons feel that way for me lol

[distant plaza]

you're probably picking up the extra finesse node on the right hand side, along with crit
so...maybe the rashad combat axe?

[soft trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-doom-doomguy-doom-slayer-gif-1856426728697571896

[muted peak]

So I have a chaxe with both headtaker and slaugthere, when both of them are in full stack how much strength am I getting?

35%?

[soft trellis]

uh, isn't slaughterer 8% per stack at t4? I'll look it up rq

[tame lodge]

65%

[muted peak]

Holy shit

[soft trellis]

25% + 40%

[muted peak]

Both of their buffs gets summed up?!

Amazing

[soft trellis]

Well yeah

Power is additive with power >.>

[muted peak]

But

[soft trellis]

well strength now since they renamed power

power is multiplicative with non-power

[muted peak]

Isnt one of them enough for a horde?

[soft trellis]

honestly idk for sure on the chaxe

[muted peak]

Also

[soft trellis]

they're just the best in slot blessings on the mk4

[muted peak]

How does chaxe players react to elite mixed hordes?(specifically vet)

[soft trellis]

the mk12 can use thrust instead of one of them iirc

[muted peak]

Bloodletter?

[soft trellis]

probably use the mk12

[soft trellis]

generally speaking is a waste of a blessing slot

[tame lodge]

Pretty much redundant
But you can pair letter with thunderous

[muted peak]

Hm

Then I fall weak on horde control

I guess I can try thrust

[muted peak]

I already use it

Only problem I have ever ran into was rager mixed hordes

[tame lodge]

Use your push attack

[muted peak]

Cant find a way

Wair

[tame lodge]

If my faint memory serves right

PA is a friend against ragers

[muted peak]

Push attack does something to ragers?

[tame lodge]

I think so yeah

[muted peak]

Hmmmmm

[tame lodge]

Can't fully remember

It's been a while

[muted peak]

Gotta try with creature spawner tmw

Gn chat

[hollow ibex]

You guys are going to make papa Willy cry

I like bloodletter but the current state of chaxe is not conducive to using it

[soft trellis]

Imagine if the light attacks on the mk4 procced it

[tame lodge]

Sorry

It's just

The truth

It do be like that though

It's also kinda weird on chaxe

Because the rev is most likely to kill stuff

So with Letter you're very likely to be accounting for when you can't go through with it

Then pair with thunderous to make it worth something

But then you don't have the +strength

So now you're just walking around with an otp

That is also capped on top of everything

[hollow ibex]

Tbf letter is great because you can just rev and immediately stop

And the thing will die

Unless it’s a big elite or boss

[hollow ibex]

Yeah part of the reason why I always say you can pick between a good chain weapon or a good axe

[tame lodge]

I wish it was better

Mk4 is one of my favorites in the game

https://tenor.com/view/mus8029-dj-khaled-gif-3555378993500057042

Maybe if they removed the cap

[midnight wyvern]

time to spend all my dollarydoos on a plasma with the funny number roll

@tired egret

🥀

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-meme-smack-hit-gif-14682331153624420698

[surreal rune]

is there a version of the industrial cap with a mask? such as the one with a bandana we see on some moebian soldiers in a mission

[steep flower]

Nah; 4 deals better cause its faster

[steep flower]

That blessing alone allows you to fight multiple ragers cause even if you don’t finish a rev you apply 16 bleed and they just collapse

Otherwise gl fighting them

[hollow ibex]

I take bloodletter only on eviscerator

[steep flower]

Your horde clear is dogshit; your horde control is good cause moveset

[steep flower]

It has a nice tech of enabling scourge stacking

[hollow ibex]

I think they forgot to buff letter on evis

[steep flower]

Conductive? Explain yourself

[hollow ibex]

Conducive not conductive

It’s a struggle

Because you have to give up a very strong damage blessing

To take letter

So the opportunity cost is significant

[steep flower]

That does not matter; you always get value out of bloodletter & thunderous and in a situation where you really cannot engage for longer than a second headtaker & slaughterer combo does jack shit & loses

[winter spoke]

TIL there's a revolver mark that lets you ads

[steep flower]

Until they remove the dmg cap slaughterer & headtaker will never be better than bloodletter & thunderous on mk4 atleast; on 12 it might be good but you have no CC from the weapon apart from mindlessly spamming lights

[hollow ibex]

lol yeah it’s the better one

[winter spoke]

only ever seen people use the braced version so i just assumed it didnt exist 😭

[midnight wyvern]

what perks you run on plasma?

[steep flower]

It almost dies and since chainaxe can stunlock anything besides a mutant and bosses you can utilize that

[tame lodge]

Flak Unarmored

[midnight wyvern]

and where is that unga bunga shout WS vet build

I want to try the meta lol

[proper vapor]

Plasma gun

On overwatch 💔

[midnight wyvern]

why unarmoured?

genuine question

[austere mica]

Dreg gunner headshot

[steep flower]

No; bloodletter on evis has a property of not being stuck on chaf do if you rev and swing at chaf they get bleed; all of them that got damaged by the swing

[hollow ibex]

Oh yeah true

[midnight wyvern]

does it help for anything else?

[steep flower]

Until they remove the dmg cap such blessing combo will never be truly good cause its like putting a bandaid on an open wound; it ain’t gonna fix it

[austere mica]

Some special I think
But dreg gunner is important enough on its own

[hollow ibex]

I mean chaxe doesn’t feel good with letter thunderous combo either

It’s a shame

[midnight wyvern]

[tall torrent]

tox bomber 1hs in havoc
dreg gunner 1hs in base game

[steep flower]

Tox bombers… and sniper bodyshot

[steep flower]

It does; otherwise i would not advocate for it

[tall torrent]

irrelevant for sniper

[tall torrent]

needs much more than that

[steep flower]

Seen too many times a vet bodyshot a sniper & it survived

Unless my memory is fading and it was a bomber… scab bomber

[tall torrent]

sniper 500 base game, 750 havoc
don't think it matters for sniper

u can 1 tap sniper with 1+ rising heat or crit, regardless of where u hit

[meager echo]

guys any tips with hellbore exe vet, I find myself melee most of the time due to the swap speed ...

[steep flower]

You 1 shot light att rev to the head a crusher; dies to bleed

On auric

[sonic kayak]

[tame lodge]

Well
Watch your back
Shoot heads

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-krieg-gif-17840354670449064247

[hollow ibex]

I like melee with actually good horde clear is the thing

[steep flower]

Why is your hunting grounds modifier soo dark i can’t almost see it

[hollow ibex]

Yeah that is mind

Nice

[steep flower]

Valid

[sonic kayak]

it's lights out; It's a mod that color codes the modifiers

[hollow ibex]

Lights out, I’m out

Shrimple as

[steep flower]

Yeah but… why soo dark tone? I presume you can change them?

[sonic kayak]

maybe?

tbh I don't care, I mean it speaks for itself

[steep flower]

2 shots in H40, given time to bleed that is but still. Not to mention boss dps & bulwark deletion