veteran-class

[warm juniper]

Infiltrate to me just feels hollow like its just invisible nothing really else

[narrow frost]

Reposition and revive plus it's bonuses of damage and dr

[grand perch]

its such a subnode heavy abilty

for no reason

[narrow frost]

People under value it because of its pathing and that other classes do it better

[grand perch]

and because on most builds you "pay 2 points to not use voc", as path put it

[mortal aspen]

arbites has his weapon specialist but better.
💀

what

Veteran still has more team support than arby, he is the best grenade spammer, and the best sniper
+vet unique weapons

he has enough identity

arby is just braindead to play and the numbers are too high
I agree that if every career was brought down to Vet levels (of power), the game would be much healthier

[midnight wyvern]

be cool if it had a node that had revive speed

[narrow frost]

Above it

30%

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/true-feel-that-thats-true-gif-7410050725709839510

[hybrid plover]

vet is fine in terms of their viability

it's their variety that sucks right now

[grand perch]

not really, you have variety

its just that the variety needs some overhauls

you can play mmf into havoc 40 perfectly fine

but it will always be a pain in the ass

[midnight wyvern]

should the cooldown for infiltrate stay at 45s? plus the 33% increase from taking the extra charge, which I assume you would most of the time

[hybrid plover]

which is kind of the thing i'm getting at.

Like it's there. but why use it when it's on an objective level worse than this other thing in a way that's more annoying than anything

[midnight wyvern]

15s more than shroudfield lol, same CDR as castigators lol

[hybrid plover]

And then you have the bad pathing that kind of just sets you up for choosing arguably the best nodes anyway

[mortal aspen]

tbf, vet has nutty cdr

[midnight wyvern]

yeah 6s per is very nice

still, long time

VoC is 30s man

imma make a stealth build for the shiggles

[hybrid plover]

but you can have two shroudfields at least even if it raises cooldown

just

honestly i would just make that how it is without a subnode

[mortal aspen]

vet stealth should probably let him stay stealthed after attacking

[hybrid plover]

it at least would make infiltrate a tad more desirable.

[mortal aspen]

like huntsman's ult does with the talent

[midnight wyvern]

yeah, that would be neat

btw is skirmisher good? it sounds good on paper but it could be sprinting for like 10 years before 1 stack

[hybrid plover]

dont use it

the actual damage bonus is great

but it has no staying power

especially since you don't keep the sprint stacks going if you sprint slide

[midnight wyvern]

irrelevant to vet but

why my game not connect to chat when it joins a strike team?

[steep flower]

Due to pathing; yes
Due to other classes (zealot) doing it better? no

[steep flower]

bug most likely; relaunching a game usually helps

[steep flower]

its not that long to build it but its base dmg and sometimes you wont have time to sprint nor space and in such moments the buff is most needed usually (good timer tho)

[steep flower]

would be op

[steep flower]

valid but huntsman ability does not last 8 sec + different game & different mechanics but thats beside the point

[mortal aspen]

could be adjusted for balance

but then it would step on exe stance's toes

so idk

just give exe stance stealth

[steep flower]

yes you ALWAYS want double charge on it, same for fotf for zealot; same story, different class

[steep flower]

*20%

as fine as a proper dogshit can be; stable, not runny & smelly as hell

some form of air support (if possible that is; most maps are 'indoors')

[steep flower]

don't forget free objectives & not being focused in a crowd when 'low profile' is taken so you can focus specials without the fear of being smacked

[steep flower]

i dunno; extra 2 nodes for infiltrate are nice;
5% crit chance
+1 grenade max

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower More Kraks

[midnight wyvern]

3 kraks would leave a DH very sad

[steep flower]

if only fatfish would do the same as they did to ogryn box & raise the quantity from 2 to 3 HMMM wonder if that would actually be good yeah HMMM

[steep flower]

ANY boss really; but you have a boltgun for that; don't need kraks

[midnight wyvern]

yeah

just could be a funny build, kill it with kraks before it even gets close enough to shout/boltgun

nowhere near as satisfying though

snipers are skeet shooting now, damn

[sudden cedar]

Impressive shot.

[midnight wyvern]

its a problem that I think only affects me, but damn the DH despawning is so aggressive lol

was on clandestine gloriana, DH in one of the circle rooms before you flip the switch to start fixing the foundryplex, my teammates walk on the other side of the circle, into the connecting hallway and the DH despawns

like, 15m away at most

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-fuck-frustrated-gif-15331740

[steep flower]

pog sniper

[plain osprey]

Nice

Terrifying

[sudden cedar]

What is the most amount of bosses anyone here had in their havoc missions? Everything included.

[midnight wyvern]

atleast 1

2 at a stretch

[sudden cedar]

Not at the same time, overall.

[midnight wyvern]

yep

[grand perch]

I remember like 6 (or maybe it was 7?) at the same time. but overall? no clue

[surreal rune]

8? 10?

[steep flower]

Me & @sudden cedar had 15 total

[surreal rune]

oh my

[steep flower]

Victory btw

Not a loss

What good builds & good teamwork & good players do to a gane

[sudden cedar]

Was a very fun match too

[unreal nova]

5 real CSpawns into a bulwark wall at the start of a map

At the same time, like back to back spawns.

Was the one where you needed to cool the refinery with 3 of the battery things.

[tall nest]

Me personally was 7 we killed all of them

And then died to one captain later onto the mission cause the team decided to split up

[wheat gate]

Are ordinary las guns bad?

Compared to other options

Guns are generally used to kill elites and other ranged enemies so

[sudden cedar]

Guns as in ranged weapons are used as a backup for your melee weapon

Or for when the situation calls for it, like a Flamer. If you were to run a flamer.

[wheat gate]

So what about las gun

[azure narwhal]

Recon and helbore lasguns are really good

But i can't speak off of personal experience about the infantry lasgun, i barely played with it

Not my kind of weapon

[turbid ibex]

ilas are a bit underwhelming but can still work

[sudden cedar]

The Infantry Las-gun has horrible stability and recoil.

[turbid ibex]

their mobility is bad (except the blue one i think), their ammo efficiency isnt the best (some fucking how) and their recoil bounces way too much

[sudden cedar]

Veteran has some ways to mitigate that, but the problem still persists.

[turbid ibex]

its honestly impressive how much they fumbled the feel of a lasgun

[wheat gate]

Makes no sense that their ammo efficiency is bad

Its literally the reason why they are issued to guardsmen

[turbid ibex]

real

well that and theyre cheap as hell

[wheat gate]

Also he should have a hot shot lasgun, I cannot believe that they did not let us have it yet

[turbid ibex]

what is that

[wheat gate]

or what is it called

I forgot

[turbid ibex]

melta gun?

[sudden cedar]

A hotshot lasgun is what the Scab Gunners use.

[turbid ibex]

oh

[wheat gate]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hot-Shot_Lasgun

[turbid ibex]

so like an lmg lasgun?

[wheat gate]

Basically yes

[turbid ibex]

yeah i do think the game is lacking an lmg option for the human classes

[wheat gate]

Tempests use them

[sudden cedar]

Also known as Hellgun

[midnight wyvern]

pretty much what the gunners use no?

[turbid ibex]

damn these minis are sick

[wheat gate]

yes they use it, they wear a battery pack on their backs

[midnight wyvern]

I want one

don't care if it nukes mobility but haha brrrt

[sudden cedar]

Tempestus Aquilons

[wheat gate]

And our playable character is an actual Veteran possibly ex temp

So no reason for him not to be able to

Melta guns too

[midnight wyvern]

melta guns would go so damn hard

if its anything even remotely similar to Sm2 style lol

[wheat gate]

Should just destroy carapace enemies

Like blow holes through them

[turbid ibex]

how do they work there

my only experience with meltas was the one from boltgun

[midnight wyvern]

big angry tunnel of fire that vaporises most things in it

I think thats the heavies melta but

still

funny delete gun

more like a pulse of fire that makes a tunnel in the enemies infront of you

[turbid ibex]

so like just a cone aoe in front of you

that kills everything in front of you

[midnight wyvern]

just trying to find a not awful video lol

https://youtube.com/shorts/GMcGnNmH7qU?si=r3FsnIUQPPytroCB

close enough

I wouldn't say its a cone, more like a cylinder AoE

[turbid ibex]

hmm

[midnight wyvern]

but, is that how others work?

or smaller ones work differently?

[turbid ibex]

it would prob have to be a cone since darktide is first person

a cylinder would prob feel a bit jank

[midnight wyvern]

could start as a cone and end up as the projectile pushing away from you, still ending up at its pulse projectile thing

[turbid ibex]

yeah could work

[midnight wyvern]

would probably be pretty ammo limited but damn it would be fun to see holes being punched in bulwark walls

[turbid ibex]

my only experience with meltas was in boltgun where they were basically a shotgun on crack

[midnight wyvern]

pretty accurate

the "uninstall that direction" gun

I'd love a fire mode or something for the plasma, that lobs a ball with some AoE on it, like the shots in SM2

[grand perch]

maybe theyll do that in the rework

[turbid ibex]

like a grenade launcher thing?

[midnight wyvern]

yeah pretty much

the direct fire plasmas in that are still an orb that has a small amount of AoE (depends on charge really) but the heavy plasma lobs big boi rounds

which have an arc to them

[turbid ibex]

reminds me of boltgun since the plasma gun is that game's missile launcher

[midnight wyvern]

I do wonder what unique weapons they could add to something like zealot

Vet has a bunch of their own

wait

can you use hellbores on zealot?

[turbid ibex]

no

vet exclusive

[midnight wyvern]

yeah okay lol, so plasma, hellbores, if we're thinking about the hellgun in the future, probably that would also be vet exclusive

melta gun maybe both?

[turbid ibex]

also funnily enough zealot actually has less exclusive weapons now since the crusher was also given to arbites

[turbid ibex]

could work

[midnight wyvern]

they do like their fire

[sudden cedar]

Melta Guns are issued to the Sisters of Battle, so i don't see a reason to not potentially give them to Zealots too.

[turbid ibex]

makes sense considering their other exclusive ranged weapon is a flamer

[midnight wyvern]

gives them something that doesn't really have a reason to be on Arb too

(pretty sure)

[sudden cedar]

Exspecially since some of the Zealot cosmectics indicate that Zealots do not need to be the ones we have as personalities, but can also be devout guardsmen with a penchant for oratory.

Example, the Bakkan Zealot.

Sounds like a bog standard trooper, really.

[turbid ibex]

yeah i doubt local law enforcement had to deal with extremely reinforced metal plating on the level of a tank

[midnight wyvern]

failed salamander recruits joining the police

[turbid ibex]

more like

baka zealot

https://tenor.com/view/fumo-baka-cirno-touhou-armored-core-gif-10866169173875537387

[sudden cedar]

Your effort is lost on me. Begone.

[midnight wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1374399585073627299/rekt.gif

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-fumo-seija-flip-table-gif-18209408

darktide fumos when

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bT06t.gif

[atomic void]

this animation is so funny

she's swining the hammer like its a baseball bat

[midnight wyvern]

also like it weighs nothing

[turbid ibex]

now i imagined scout tf2 as a zealot

[sudden cedar]

Faith gives Strength.

[midnight wyvern]

💀

tell that to the zealot tree

[sudden cedar]

Faith also gives Strength to endure this.

Or are you weak of faith and thus not fit to be a zealot?

[midnight wyvern]

there is a reason I play veteran

[sudden cedar]

Maybe you need to spend more time in flagellation.

[tropic halo]

The way she holds and swings like a feather is funny

Literal toy hammer

[turbid ibex]

either that or she is built different

which lets be honest thats the case for every single zealot

[hollow ibex]

well she's dead, didn't have any faith

https://tenor.com/view/funeral-gif-12023008157633688479

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/dk-donkey-kong-chunky-dead-and-then-theres-chunky-gif-21304494

[midnight wyvern]

just had more boss damage than a dude had actual damage

what is bro doin

[sharp epoch]

book zelot?

[sudden cedar]

@midnight wyvern Nothing.

[turbid ibex]

everything

[obtuse finch]

just witnessed a plagegryn slaughter a strike team on Malice

(i was part of the strike team)

[sudden cedar]

That happens i guess.

Plague Ogryn is the easiest monstrosity to deal with.

Simply try to dodge all its attacks and you are good

[narrow widget]

plogryn vs some idiots with broken spacebars

[void gyro]

gotta say after getting used to the helbore and marksmans focus i've been enjoying it on AM, thing cranks if you can get any space to use it

doesn't even need shock tropper unless its CIVI, and i found marksman to be a really good way to start rebuild your marksman's focus stacks

probably silly but i dropped reciprocity to pick up that and the 10% rending node, which lets it 2 shot a crusher if you get a single crit

maybe i just suck but I have a hard time actually keeping good reciprocity uptime

its atleast a more interesting playstyle than focus target, which after a couple hundred hours gets a bit flat

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[midnight wyvern]

scoreboard from my first successful H29

ive found my build works very good against twins

they giga die

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/7rqv.gif

[grand perch]

i forget what the minimum setup is, but you can 1 shot crushers with a bit of building towards it

helbore mk IV does it pretty easily

[steep flower]

Ofc it does; only boss that counters you is regular captains cause shieldgating

[mortal aspen]

gyatt

[steep flower]

Who was Rambler playing as? Also low dmg oof

[steep flower]

I see you finally started using tactical reload; good - you become better (as i was saying )

[hybrid plover]

i can guarantee that arbitrator's using execution order

i'll be real. that keystone does not help in havoc at all when they're constantly hogging specialist kills with a vet on the team

[grand perch]

I just had a wonderful thought. Imagine if helbore had access to the deadly accurate blessing

[hybrid plover]

Many have had that wonderful thought.

[grand perch]

Oneshot all the everything

[hybrid plover]

I wish it could happen.

[midnight wyvern]

they're fun to duel with Taxe too

so idm them

[steep flower]

Good defensive weapon; i use Hsword myself

[grand perch]

They're big hp blobs and when they've got the healing modifier, they can f right off

[midnight wyvern]

i saw I think ainz mention it was good on ranged vet builds

so I was like aight bet, sounds like mine

fucking

[grand perch]

It is

[midnight wyvern]

wonderful

[hybrid plover]

it requires barely any investment to be decent at handling what you need it to

[midnight wyvern]

I think i probably have atleast 1 wrong blessing but it has worked well enough

[hybrid plover]

very versatile weapon

[midnight wyvern]

I just chucked on headtaker/brumentum

[hybrid plover]

carpal tunnel be damned

[hybrid plover]

that's actually the usual two

[grand perch]

I use taxe all the time. Effective if you build around it and good Mobility tool if you don't

[midnight wyvern]

[steep flower]

Its good vs anything exept crushers and maulers to a degree cause head is carapace and you have most of your buffs from weakspots

[midnight wyvern]

yeah the mobility is the big one

[grand perch]

Also stagger

[hybrid plover]

only problem is that if you're not running it with a full on melee build, brumentum does fall off in usefulness at higher rank havoc

gets a lot harder to actually proc it consistently

but still a good choice

[steep flower]

Use it defensively; use agile

[grand perch]

Use deci + headtaker in havoc

Or agile, but i prefer the extra power

[midnight wyvern]

@steep floweralso tac reload?

talent? I dunno what it is off the top of my head lol

[hybrid plover]

i prefer the extra power tbh

hordes get crazy dense at 40, the extra cleave and stagger starts to help a lot

[steep flower]

Yup; 25% reload if you have bullets in the mag; mandatory for a good boltgun build

[hybrid plover]

agile can only do so much where there's only so many places to dodge

and everything having higher hit mass on top of that

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower mY bReAkPoInTs

[turbid ibex]

Gonna level my vet a bit

[midnight wyvern]

[hybrid plover]

https://gyazo.com/3eb4e6fc637e4a9ee8020ab811d54712

chorus martyr go brr

i love this goofy build so much

[steep flower]

looked like it; if thats the case
I take my words back

[tropic notch]

To me I would only take agile on the ds

[hybrid plover]

i'd do it if i wasn't even planning to use the dueling sword to actually fight really

[tropic notch]

Even then it’s really a bait blessing

[midnight wyvern]

I wish

that weapon swap speed would be nice too

just can't afford it

[tropic notch]

You can

[steep flower]

yes you can

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build

Out for blood > ck

I use tac axe with this

[steep flower]

why not both

if you can that is

[tropic notch]

Yeah both would actually be nice but what can you drop

[midnight wyvern]

[tropic notch]

You could drop the entire left side except 30% weakspot

But there goes more ammo elites and stamina

[hybrid plover]

this is what I've used for bolter if I'm really trying to go for boss dmg

https://i.imgur.com/Ca1AGJB.png

[steep flower]

Focused fire & opening salvo; there we go ez

[tropic notch]

I believe path said something like this before “if vet had 3 or 4 more points he’d be fine”

[hybrid plover]

if vet had less taxes, he'd be fine

truly a commentary on modern society

[steep flower]

nah he wrong; only cause hes using only WS does not mean vet needs 'more points'

[tropic notch]

Ws vet is the best vet

[steep flower]

its good; but not the best

[hybrid plover]

it's completely situational depending on what you're going for to be honest

the choice between ft and ws has never been which one is better

it's "which one fits what you're intending for the build"

[steep flower]

i need to take you out lady cause you're cooking

[sudden cedar]

By the God-Emperor, someone who can think in builds and doesn't just copy everything.

[hybrid plover]

I use WS because I like having the extra survivability of melee specialist while being able to pick off the targets I know I can guarantee a hit on.

But FT is genuinely incredibly useful if you want to be that person that allows a team to absolutely demolish a boss.

Or anything that just has a lot of HP because that will definitely matter at higher Havoc

[sudden cedar]

Couldn't agree more.

[hybrid plover]

You play this game too long and you start to realize that if you actually put some effort into thinking of a build, you don't have to run copy paste gamelantern builds

tbf you shouldn't be copying like

90% of the builds on there anyway though

[sudden cedar]

That goes for a lot of things.

I may copy a build and play with it for a while but i will usually try to analyse later what things actually give me and if that is truely necessary or accomplishes anything i would want.

And i modify.

[hybrid plover]

Kinda how it went when I started using helbore again

But I started with frags

[sudden cedar]

The dueling sword may elevate people above their own limit, but only a master can truely shine with it.

[hybrid plover]

And it just didn't feel right.

And then I decided to take a different path with smokes and close and kill

It's become my favorite h40 build by far

There hasn't been a game that's passed when I'm using that where I'm not at least topping specialist kills significantly.

[steep flower]

but ye; drop
Focused Fire (4,5% extra dmg realistically is not a big loss if at all + 20% debuff vs 32% might be substantial but it takes too much time to built over time especially if you wanna keep Redirect Fire buff & the amount of targets you have to tag to kill)
Opening Salvo (boltgun has 15 shots... out of all of these... 3 will get 10% crit chance...)
There you go; ez
also crit boltgun; on zealot & arby maybe but still not better than shattering & puncture overall especially on vet
also get For the Emperor; for boltgun its worth it despite how powerful Born Leader is

[steep flower]

nice one; acceptable option (apart from twinned meme; get field improv instead)

[sonic kayak]

You use FT to worry about teamplay

I use FT because I used to play shittons of Battlefield and spotting wins games

We are not the same

[hybrid plover]

twinned helps with really big mixed hordes honestly

[steep flower]

its a gamba & its inconsistent

the only good gambling talent is demo team

[sonic kayak]

You don't like your Veteran gacha game?

[steep flower]

if i wanted to gamble a win i would not play this game

[hybrid plover]

inconsistent to an extent.

a massive elite horde will give you a decent amount of mileage with it

[sonic kayak]

At that rate don't play H40

[steep flower]

Party Finder is already a gamba i cannot reduce to 0 so ye

i rather have a consistent build

which is a staple of a good one

[sonic kayak]

I rarely use shredders these days so I don't even think about Twinned tbh

[hybrid plover]

i'd use shredders with that build specifically because bolter needs surv and it just paths better that way

otherwise

smokes all day baybeeeee

[sonic kayak]

No no, I gotcha, I have a similar build recommended to me by Willy

[steep flower]

i'll wait patiently till they make blitz choice not cost me extra talents

like on an Oggy or Arby

or Psyker

[sonic kayak]

I don't use it much since my main thing is my smokes plasma gunner because I want shit gone yesterday

but it has great bursting

[hybrid plover]

: The best I've got for you is in 3 years.

[steep flower]

i'm in no rush; but should be or their game will die more

[hybrid plover]

Oh I completely agree.

[sudden cedar]

Error 2014 is very fun and entertaining when it happens during a mission.

Exspecially in havoc.

[hybrid plover]

Error 2014 during a Havoc?

That you can't get back into?

[sudden cedar]

Yeah

[hybrid plover]

Haha, so funny.

[sudden cedar]

People randomly dropping, sometimes multiple at the same time

[hybrid plover]

I definitely like that Fatshark.

[sudden cedar]

and that fucks up a mission

[hybrid plover]

I also love needing to log out of the game after because it think I'm still in a Havoc game while I'm actually in the Mourningstar.

[sudden cedar]

👏

[hybrid plover]

I love this game.

[steep flower]

can't count how many games in havoc i lost because of a disconnect like that; artificial difficulty

[sudden cedar]

🙂

[muted peak]

Let me guess, error code 2001 or 2014?

[sudden cedar]

Something like this.

Anything really.

[muted peak]

I get you, such a pain in the ass, sometime the game does it on the final stage of the mission, you really want to break the keyboard

[fossil creek]

fucking crashed mid havoc

aaaa

anyone wanna do one?

i'm currently in 1-20

[steep flower]

@tall nest This grenade throw left me flabbergasted
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/10389496486477163014/3C7A49EDC7FC2B0A87A911312FCACFC2939EE0C2/

[tame lodge]

Limp arm Jane over there

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Very nice ending cut there. The Plague Ogryn about to ram you.

[steep flower]

I survived

[sudden cedar]

I should know, i was there.

Sort of.

[steep flower]

Yeah; You were respawning
Like all true legends

[sudden cedar]

Only in death does duty end.

[untold nymph]

Gentlemen

I have made a veteran operative

[hollow ibex]

my condolences

[heavy rover]

Wait until you get your hands on the helbore. Then, you will witness peak

[tame lodge]

When the shooting starts
Get in there
Make them scream

[unreal forge]

blitz choices on Psyker straight up deny you from utilizing the other side of talents on that section

[steep flower]

yeah but its not giving you a talent tax

[untold nymph]

Everything is now bigger because I was ogryn before

And now ragers pose a threat

[tropic halo]

Unless you arbites

[heavy rover]

you'd be surprised how fast you can get rid of ragers with sunder and maniac damage on the power sword

[tropic halo]

Try not get hit and recharge within a rager pack

[untold nymph]

Which path shoots the bestest

[surreal gust]

Left, would recommend the right and middle nades though

[untold nymph]

Which path would you recommend

[surreal gust]

Depends on your playstyle

[heavy rover]

Longshot's damage bonus don't come into full effect most of the time though

most of your fighting will be closer than its distance

[surreal gust]

General use I go for VoC and fireteam most often with kraks or shredders and weapon spec personally

[heavy rover]

so you can go either middle or right

[unreal forge]

middle side has a really valuable toughness regeneration talent

lets you facetank gunners while you shoot them

[hybrid plover]

Out for Blood is also valuable for a different reason

Shredders synergize with that node particularly well.

[turbid ibex]

wait holy shit i never realized this

[hybrid plover]

Yes. Every kill is 5% of your toughness back.

Irregardless of what means it took for the kill to happen.

[mortal aspen]

i hate the word "irregardless"

i hate that it's real and not incorrect

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-smoking-blunt-blehskibidi-gif-4336732105413285679

I think confirmed kill is a more smooth talent for toughness gen

multiple stacks are basically always active

[tall nest]

I think i was trying to pre fire the nades for the elites behind idk LMFAOOOO

Them mofos have no throwing range

[frank basin]

the lassy experience

[elder vessel]

the path that enables you to make your own decisions

[narrow widget]

so none of them

[tame lodge]

@tall torrent just finished my heretical playthrough

It's kinda meh ngl

The funny sword that kills you made me fight the last boss with my retinue at 4 hp

Then Kibellah just fully healed herself while also bleeding the last boss so whatever

I'm so mad that footage got corrupted

The funny sword just blasted my retinue around

It was glorious

Maybe you should play it
Become a Daemon Prince

Uralon also sucks lol

He does allow you to control daemons though

Plaguebearer with whoping 2 abilities

[tall torrent]

Chaos is cringe

[tame lodge]

Actual words by the Emperor, circa 30k

[soft trellis]

inb4 the emperor becomes a chaos god

[grand perch]

he almost did in 1 story

[hybrid plover]

it will always amuse me that the effectiveness of some blessings in this game are influenced by your height

[pallid mango]

Don't be smoll that's it xD

[hybrid plover]

there's one that wants you to be shorter

[elder storm]

Smol king perk set

[midnight wyvern]

isn't it just a double negative in the same word?

I hate it too

[grand perch]

The holy hate (for nonsense words)

[sudden cedar]

I like minimum height. Always give me a chuckle when compared to others.

Exspecially when lil' blondie has to clutch the match. Again.

[plain osprey]

Adorable

[quiet valley]

@prime crag @crimson veldt @graceful mason

[grand perch]

Felinid guardsman be like

[plain osprey]

Is there an actual benefit to have a small darktide character ?

[tame lodge]

Cover

[plain osprey]

Pls dont....

[tame lodge]

That's about it

[grand perch]

Btw i hope you have that cosmetic that replaces your legs with implants

Prosthetics

[tame lodge]

Max height characters will have a slightly harder time hiding behind half cover

But at the same time

There's high cover/walls everywhere

[tame lodge]

Plus it doesn't matter the size

[quiet valley]

Nope I keep forgeting to check cosmetic shop

[tame lodge]

You can always take cover behind the downed ogryn

It's always the right thing to do

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-bobby-smh-shaking-my-head-gif-18269382051844334745

It's the only slop you need

I shall let you know the next time they come up so you can make an informed and not at all peer pressured purchase

[plain osprey]

Dont think ive used half Cover that much

I ususally just supress reapers/gunners and then Charge in for the melee kill

[sudden cedar]

Well it is there. Take it or leave it.

[plain osprey]

You can have it

[turbid ibex]

Speaking of half cover did anyone ever use the vet thing where aiming while crouched behind half cover makes you leave it?

[hybrid plover]

no

it might as well not even be a thing

[sudden cedar]

Might just be there to annoy you because it exists

[turbid ibex]

Yeah its such a weird thing

If it did something to make it different from just uncrouching it couldve been useful

[grand perch]

Primarily it's there so you're not at an awkward height when trying to shoot over chest high cover while crouched

Is my suspicion

[ocean idol]

How valiant auto compares to lasgun?

and whicho of the 3 is better one?

[balmy ermine]

Lasgun is the best

Most reliable gun in the game

[tame lodge]

Valiant?

Uh Vigilants?

[grand perch]

Well they are both finesse precision weapons, that's about where the similarities end

[tame lodge]

And the best is the semi auto

Mk7

[grand perch]

I very much agree with Q on that one

[steep flower]

Agri is good too; the only oof one is 3 shot burst one due to recoil

[grand perch]

Vigis have much worse maniac damage, higher rate of fire (mk7 is pretty much as fast as you can click, only mk2b lasgun comes close) and are a bit better at dealing with armour and unyielding

Oh, lasguns have much better ammo economy

[tame lodge]

Vigis have surgical though

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-yo-gif-26891796

[grand perch]

And it is so good for piercing cara

[ocean idol]

well i generally dislike burst weapons in most games

[ocean idol]

yeah, easy 100% crit rate is no joke

[ocean idol]

Exactly, which means one is bound to be better

Judging by stats autogun way superior

both higher damage, higher finesse, and hire firerate

[grand perch]

It's not that simple I'd say. Lasguns demolish rager patrols at a distance, you have a much harder time with the vigi there

[turbid ibex]

Though unfortunately not nearly as much as they should

I fucking hate them consuming more than 1 ammo per shot

[mortal aspen]

just crit

https://tenor.com/view/just-house-totally-duh-gif-23663188

[turbid ibex]

If the numbers says i have 90 ammo i should be able to shoot 90 times before reloading

Not fucking 30

[grand perch]

I suspect they planned to have you be able to choose the strength of each shot, you know, because some lasguns are able to adjust that. Similar to plasma, more power more ammo used

[turbid ibex]

That would be neat

But the default fire should just be 1 ammo for each shot

[mortal aspen]

functionally, there's no difference, and it allows one useless blessing to work

maybe some talents on other careers interact too, I can't remember

[turbid ibex]

I never mentioned anything about reducing the ammo count

[ocean idol]

which unfortunately does not matter at all

You can spray and pray and almsot never run out of ammo

game should really be more scarce on ammo drops

[turbid ibex]

Also it does make a difference that the player doesnt have to do math every time they want to know how much ammo they have

[ocean idol]

It seems from the lore that lasguns should also have full-auto firing mode

[turbid ibex]

Recons do that

[ocean idol]

LORE

[mortal aspen]

it is in havoc

[ocean idol]

WHO ASKED ABOUT RECONS

[mortal aspen]

it's a recon lasgun

https://tenor.com/view/poop-gif-21696855

[ocean idol]

Well guess what, i was talking about A LASGUN HAVING BOTH SINGLE FIRE AND AUTO MOD

NORMAL STANDARD ISSUE GUARDSMAN LASGUN

https://tenor.com/view/reee-pepe-frog-angry-angery-gif-18421495

[sour elbow]

I want hotshot lasguns. :<

[sour elbow]

I doubt it ever happens but I want a lasgun lmg (read: that thing the gunners use)

[turbid ibex]

Would be neat

[sour elbow]

yeah but then it eats into the ogryn's stubber's role and imagine what focus mode would be like with a rapid fire lasgun.

[turbid ibex]

Would fill a niche thats missing on the human classes

[ocean idol]

hellguns pls

[sour elbow]

I forget what they're called these days, with GW changing names.

[mortal aspen]

which niche would it fill

[turbid ibex]

Lmg niche

[sour elbow]

It's still the imperial guard and they're stilly ksyrkin stormtroopers.

[ocean idol]

Who cares about ogrins though

[sour elbow]

I like ogryns. :<

[grand perch]

I think hotshot lasgun is much more probable to be added then, say, longlas

[ocean idol]

Then you have bad taste > : (

[mortal aspen]

it's just hard for me to picture what the difference would be between a recon and a helgun

[turbid ibex]

Longlas sounds like something that leads to a deez nuts joke

[mortal aspen]

recon is already twin-linked stubber for humans

[grand perch]

Obligatory https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1388222222577176777/longlas.png?ex=68b68c71&is=68b53af1&hm=e62182a6f4805c20c98cabc615d79fc568742bb132ae89d5881e231a1fc5b25e&

[ocean idol]

Hellgun slower, bigger, with higher ammo and fire rate

[turbid ibex]

Recon is much more run and gun

[ocean idol]

And yeah, having actual sniper would be nice

[grand perch]

Nah. Please no

[ocean idol]

Although, why don't we have plasma pistol

[grand perch]

They are impossible to balance and be fun at the same time

[ocean idol]

ANd especially combo of handgun + melee

[mortal aspen]

helbore is already the sniper rifle

just missing a scope

[turbid ibex]

They dont fit into darktide's design

[turbid ibex]

Yeah

[ocean idol]

Chainsword + laspistol literally staple of warhammer

[sour elbow]

Thing is; you don't need the longlas. The hellbores are basically that (you just need to use your eyeballs) and if you cba to aim precisely you have the plasma gun.

[mortal aspen]

dual weapons are lost technology

[grand perch]

It's one of the cooler ideas

[mortal aspen]

impossible to recreate

[sour elbow]

I'd guess much better ammo capacity, longer reload, slower movespeed. Perhaps starts innaccurate and spools up to be more accurate, perhaps. Or a sliiight firing delay. But all of this is "Ogryn stubber but on guardsman".

[turbid ibex]

Revolvers, bolters, hellbores all can do the sniper role really effectively

[grand perch]

The mutant dna strain known as "ambidexterity" has been eradicated in this grim dark future

[turbid ibex]

A full on sniper rifle would be pretty much unusable on 99% of situations

[ocean idol]

you don't need to e ambidexter to dual wield

[sour elbow]

Yeah. Hellbore's got a bayonet at least

[ocean idol]

I dual wield irl

And i am not an ambidexter

[grand perch]

It's a joke tho

[sour elbow]

and by the emperor the bayonet is good on it.

[ocean idol]

Actually just yesterday i tried for the first time dual daggers vs longsword and rapier

surprisingly effective

[mortal aspen]

ok, riddick

[ocean idol]

[ocean idol]

well that's irl logic

by game logic there are plenty of spots for sinper

otherwise no wepaon would be needed but shotguns

distances are to short for irl rifles

[tame lodge]

The eye of terror eradicated this specific trait on humanity

[ocean idol]

I wish we got more interesting class than a fuckn arbites

[tame lodge]

Arbiters gameplay

🛌

[mortal aspen]

Aeldari Corsair next surely

[grand perch]

Make it drukhari so he profits from his squad mates suffering

[mortal aspen]

or maybe Gretchin class

[ocean idol]

i want an aeldari so bad

[grand perch]

We need talents like "you get to not have your soul eaten for 5 minutes when your squadmates are all at less than 50% hp"

"when a squad mate is actively burning you do triple damage"

[ocean idol]

basically a passive, since you are in real space: you get constant dot damage on you, and need to kill people to delay it

Or have tammates take damage

[grand perch]

"barelling a smite psyker gives you invincibility for 10 minutes"

[ocean idol]

There is such criminal lack of games where you play as eldar

[tame lodge]

Then it never happens because you get semi competent teammates that can avoid any of those situations

[grand perch]

Blue balling dark eldar is peak

[grand perch]

There's so much potential there. Imagine cod's chernobyl/prypjat level but you play as an eldar ranger

One can dream

Anyway here's your bajillionth installment of playing Imperium

[ocean idol]

i blame brainless fans

[novel saddle]

Let it wallbang

The game already has a built-in mark mechanic, the sniper rifle doesn't even need a magical scope if you have good teammates

[turbid ibex]

I could maybe see it

I still dont think the game is hurting for snipers considering we already have a good amount of options for that role

[novel saddle]

The game is hurting for content and unique new weapons

[turbid ibex]

I mean yeah

[novel saddle]

I crave something that isn't just a new pattern of an existing weapon

[turbid ibex]

But i dont think a full on sniper is that needed over something else

[novel saddle]

Like the 2h swords were cool because they were brand new and had unique mechanics

[mortal aspen]

arbites got unique weapons fairly recently

[novel saddle]

And having a sharpshooter weapon that isn't a Lucius with its godawful iron sights would be nice (revolver doesn't count it's a pistol)

[novel saddle]

Yea at least there's that, but still, we're approaching a time when new weapons are in demand

[ocean idol]

https://tenor.com/view/mass-effect3-report-to-the-ship-as-soon-as-possible-well-bang-ok-gif-17369371

Well there is not many options left

Melta may be

That's ab out it?

If we talk human weapons

Now, eldar weaponry...

[novel saddle]

Give me a nailgun just for shits and giggles honestly

[covert fable]

um, how many worker threads do you guys run your game on?

would it impact much

[tame lodge]

I heard things about half +1

But I don't dawdle on those so

Idk

Hmm dawdle implies wasting time

[covert fable]

half?

[tame lodge]

Not really what I meant but

[covert fable]

what do you mean

[tame lodge]

Whatever

[midnight wyvern]

what mark of heavy sword do people like on vet

just going through and trying dif weapons in havoc

[grand perch]

i use mk IX, on the rare occasion i do use hsword

i think ainz swears by 7? or 6, i forget

i'd think you need to go WS and invest into melee talents to make it good enough in havoc. that attack speed is so important

[hollow ibex]

Yeah IX is good

My second choice would be the VI

[midnight wyvern]

ill stick to Taxe

[hollow ibex]

Tbf hsword doesn’t need trench fighter

Obviously would benefit from it but not strictly necessary

[grand perch]

i think it might be too slow to kill many cc immune ragers if not

but no practical experience with that

[midnight wyvern]

was using Devils claw in H40 and it was doing pretty good

even without WS tree side stuff

also I figured my higher cap on damage, possibly with fluctuation from crits, but 85k from a single mag with red stim on my build

[plain osprey]

Funniest thing about the vet tree is, that in most cases, you can ignore the keystones

[midnight wyvern]

doing like 82% of a H40 Plogryn healthbar in 1 mag is funny

[lean mirage]

I hate how true this is

[plain osprey]

[formal ice]

Veteran tree rework when?

Oh wait, Zealot is getting the rework first

[turbid ibex]

was that confirmed at any point?

[lean mirage]

Veteran dosnt need a rework :)

[plain osprey]

When there is peace in the middle east
.....

💀

[sharp epoch]

remember fs said vet would get another weapon this year i dont think we will

[hollow ibex]

nah

vet needs to be nerfed

vet too op

needs more tax nodes

[grand perch]

more +suppression tax nodes

best mechanic

[untold nymph]

His name is Marcus

[winter spoke]

how do i properly use the krak grenade? 😭

[sour elbow]

throw it at crushers and bulwarks

bosses too

[winter spoke]

oh neat

[sour elbow]

The 'real' answer is it's an anti tank grenade, so it magnetically sticks to armoured foes

[orchid hemlock]

Ok so

You throw it

[sour elbow]

maulers, crushers, bulwarks, the scab ragers, ect.

[winter spoke]

yeah it just felt like overkill on a lot of elites

[orchid hemlock]

No this is a waste of the grenade

Only 2 enemies I ever throw it at

Bullwalks and bosses

[sour elbow]

It's not really woth using on the ragers though. Think of it as a "I will pay you 1 krak grenade to f**k off" for crushers, bulkwars and maybe maulers too.

[hollow ibex]

and make sure you're tossing it at a target that isn't just going to get instantly deleted by the duelling sword zealot on your team

because krak takes forever to cook off

[sour elbow]

grenade regen and/or demolition team is not required, but very reccomended.

[orchid hemlock]

Maybe like swarms of crushers to get multiple

[sour elbow]

If they're obliging and stack up on each other you can kill multiple foes with a single krak

[hollow ibex]

sad thing is that the boss damage is kinda ass

[sour elbow]

If you're using the plasma gun (Big Target Deleter) and/or the bolter, you can argue the normal grenade is better for hordes since you have the plasma gun, but I prefer bringing kraks in general because it's usually better to delete the big tough stuff fast.

Especially when you bring the lasrifle almost every mission.

@winter spoke hopefully that helps.

[winter spoke]

awesome, tysm

[hybrid plover]

Plasma actually synergizes more with kraks than shredders technically.

You don't want plasma to be the big target deleter. You want it to be the elite deleter that also deletes a ton of stuff in front and behind it.

It's actually not a great idea to use it on stuff like bulwarks and crushers.

[sharp epoch]

you dont wanna plasma horde either so shredders are decent

[hybrid plover]

Yeah true but my point is that with plasma, you want something to fill the space for dealing with bigger targets more than the horde clear.

Whether kraks will actually be a good choice for that...

That's another matter entirely.

[sharp epoch]

The stagger from frags is more useful than deleting a single bulwark/crusher

[ocean idol]

That's a lie?

It is literally the best ranged wepaon for that role that vet has?

[narrow frost]

its not that great carapace adms

bolter bolt pistol and revolver do way more damage to cara and unyielding

[sharp epoch]

No it's like 4-5 shots to kill a crusher uncharged😭

[hybrid plover]

It's not lmao

Plasma is awful against carapace and unyielding.

[ocean idol]

Actually forgot about revolver, yeah, it is bettyer

but not boltpistol lol

[hybrid plover]

The only saving grace it truly has against bulwarks specifically is that it can kind of cleave through the shield.

But the damage just does not justify doing that.

[minor stump]

It can hs through shield though right? And stagger?

[hybrid plover]

You can get multiple in a single krak if they're grouped up.

Kraks are not as bad as people think they are. The issue is that they're only good for so many enemies while shredders are just way more versatile.

[ocean idol]

in other words, they are as bad as people think

[sharp epoch]

And you only get two default

should be three and frags should be 4 and just remove the extra grenade tax node

[hybrid plover]

Shredders can't save me from a bulwark squad in h40 like kraks can.

Kraks are niche. And they could do with a rework to make them more accessible. But they do serve a purpose in some builds.

[ocean idol]

or 2 charged shots

and more importantly, you basically never have to reload during same fight

Unlike other options

[hybrid plover]

Why would you ever charge a plasma shot though

[ocean idol]

To kill things faster????

[hybrid plover]

It doesn't work out that way.

[ocean idol]

At least first shot is worth making charged

[hybrid plover]

That's why barely anyone ever does it.

[ocean idol]

It does not if you have perfect accuracy, which few people do have

They fall on the ground after first shot

[ocean idol]

And? No one ever said that they are useless

being "too niche" is definition of being bad for games like this in most cases

very few things are actually bad

but many are just better and more universal

Which helbore is better one?

[sharp epoch]

IV

[hybrid plover]

Pick your poison. Between IV and IIIa

Wrong post to reply to but sure.

[ocean idol]

lmao

[sharp epoch]

4 uncharged plasma shot on crusher in auric probably 6-7 on havoc 40
2 charged on auric

[ocean idol]

1 charged and 1 uncharged*

[hybrid plover]

IIIa is more generalist and faster to fire but doesn't hold up against carapace as much.

IV is slower but does more damage per charged shot and does actually do some considerable damage to carapace.

It really depends on what you're looking for out of the Helbore.

[ocean idol]

Goddamn, turns out i only have level 7 mastery of helbore

ffs

i swear i had pretty good helbore

where is it

[ocean idol]

5 i assume just too low damage?

I just want a precision weapon

Doing good with lasgun

[hybrid plover]

You're literally just using a spicy infantry lasgun at that point.

[ocean idol]

and headhunter

Also i would consider bolter precision weapon too though

[hybrid plover]

You can use it but it doesn't really hold up since it's one of that weapons where you will actually notice yourself not one shotting things you think you should be.

[ocean idol]

Yeah, when i tested it it meat grinder, it seemed todo worse than headhunter

While also having to charge

and having slower rate of fire

like wtf

Although i am still not sure about lasgun vs headhunter

[hybrid plover]

Both... Aren't great.

Actually no lemme rephrase. Infantry lasgun is okay.

[ocean idol]

nah, headhunter is absolutely great

surgical is b ig dick blessing

Lasgun suffers with armored enemies

the one with fastest rof is pretty decent against hordes though

[midnight wyvern]

its nice to punch into it a bit

id still rather have shredders but

been finding good enough uses

[hybrid plover]

Smokes all day baybeeeee

#1 chain smoker in chat.

Addicted.

[hollow ibex]

it does like 10% damage against bosses with tinkerer

or something stupid like that

[hybrid plover]

I have lost my wife and kids please help.

[hollow ibex]

15% against captains

assuming you can get it in before void shield is back up

[ocean idol]

I do want to use them more

just to be a special snowflake

[hollow ibex]

ultimately the best use is still against stacked bulwarks / crushers

almost feels like a waste to use a krak against a boss lol

[turbid ibex]

I just wish the fuse timer on the kraks was shorter

[hybrid plover]

Kraks are fun

I do hope they get some kind of rework when vets tree update comes eventually

[turbid ibex]

Biggest things i'd want out of krak buffs are shorter fuse and carrying 3 of them

[quasi silo]

Any specific map suggestions for on overwatch penance? I've been trying it for eternity but no matter how spatial aware I am there's always a random murder hobo clubbing me in the back

[hybrid plover]

Shout.

[hybrid plover]

Vigil Station is a pretty easy one.

[ocean idol]

Playing with 3 psykers with electro staves is funny

I forgot how fun are weapon spec + agile builds

[midnight wyvern]

I second this

I did it accidentally in auric high intens/shock trooper

lol

[bronze sedge]

has anyone managed to get the serial killer penance and if so how

[austere mica]

the 20 headshot kills one? just use brainburst without PC

[winter spoke]

how 2 build knife

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent

[bronze sedge]

got it thanks

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[bronze sedge]

i wanna try and do it with veteran

just kill 20 shitty enemies with headshots

[shrewd parcel]

Hello ogryn here as veterans what would you like to see us ogryns do more of or refrain from doing? Im trying to be the best ogryn I can

[turbid ibex]

I would like to see you kill as many heretics as you can

[sudden cedar]

@shrewd parcel Be mindful of your surroundings when mindlessly spamming your rumbler so you reduce the amount of barrels and poxbursters you explode in others faces.

[shrewd parcel]

Ahead of you on that then cause I dont use that one! Im 99% shield

[narrow widget]

Archivum Sycorax is also a pretty easy clear

[umbral scaffold]

Aside from plasma and bolters which guns are havoc viable?

[hybrid plover]

Honestly, perks are really up to preference with how you're intending to use knife. Only one I don't really recommend is Infested.

Mk3: Lacerate + Uncanny Strike
Mk6: Precognition/Riposte + Uncanny Strike

Mk6 is the better option for vet though.

[narrow frost]

helbore, infantry auto gun, las pistol, recon, bolt pistol, double barrel, combat shotgun, shredder auto

[sudden cedar]

All weapons are to a degree viable in havoc. It all depends on what you need and what your team requires. That is in a coordinated team, preferably also one where its mostly the same people. But "Meta" always exists.

[hybrid plover]

To be fair, some weapons are also just better in terms of objective viability in Havoc.

[turbid ibex]

A better question would be stuff that you shouldnt take to havoc

[sharp epoch]

some degrees being close to zero

if you have a whole team of vets running a heavy sword + autogun its unwinnable

[hybrid plover]

Like, hate to say it but stuff like infantry lasgun and headhunter auto get real shafted in the higher ranks.

Even the revolver falls off heavily so you have to gigabuff it for the one shots you want it to get.

And the lack of ammo economy.

[untold nymph]

Should I invest in the recon or hellbore lasgun

[serene bough]

with the amount of armored elites in havoc the ilas suffers a lot

when havoc launched and it was gunner spam it was very useful bc of ghost

[sharp epoch]

helbore

[untold nymph]

Why

[sharp epoch]

cause its better

[untold nymph]

Specifically how

[hollow ibex]

recon is good too

[faint beacon]

Both tbh

Both are good

just dependent on how you like playing

[untold nymph]

How does one use each properly

[hollow ibex]

recon, hold down LMB

helbore, use headshots to take out priority targets, stay at a distance but not so far that you're cut off from your team

[faint beacon]

Recon = Volume by fire more fast paced
Helbore = Precision rifle, slower paced typically used in more backline playstyles but still can be played as aggressively as Recon in the right hands

Recon is far easier to learn vs Helbore

Recon is literally click the enemy to win

Helbore is instantly fucking kill them via headshots

Just because you're playing Helbore does not mean you have to backline, its riskier but its absolutely possible to frontline with it

[steep flower]

You tempt me to make it happen and you eating your words

[steep flower]

Aim at the head…

[steep flower]

Don’t listen to the blud; master both; both are amazing

[steep flower]

I pressume 1% is brain; thats already more than 0! Thats logic!

[hybrid plover]

sorry, that's me

running at a group of heretics with a knife like a madwoman only to switch and jumpshot a trapper at the immediate moment they decided to become a problem will never not be satisfying

[serene bough]

I want to like helbore

But im not a fan of charging mechanics and my aim feels bad recently

[proven karma]

What blessings to try with helbore these days?

[faint beacon]

Matters on mark

Helby IV is Weight of Fire + Surgical

the other IIIa and V is Whatever + Surgical

Helby IV does stupid damage with that combo

but the other two is more freedom of choice tbh

IIIa is incredibly flexible

[proven karma]

Some use the helbore for the power, I use it for the drip

But never sure what the "right" way to use it is

[faint beacon]

It inevitably boils down to can you aim and click on heads?

[proven karma]

You can shoot with the helbore? I just use the bayonnet

[hybrid plover]

Are you a certified specialist hater?

If so, Helbore is your best friend.

[lean mirage]

It really comes down to your playstyle. However recon at higher levels auric, malestorm, damnation. It will hold its ground good carrying teams for its high fire rates and average ammo cost. Helbore is really not that good at higher tears having to wait and charge your shots to make it count sure sounds good but might as well use the marksmen lasgun.

[nocturne mulch]

....? Helbore is very strong in H40.

[unreal forge]

helbore is much stronger than the infantry lasgun

just the ability to kill crushers and melt monstrosities are pretty good boons over the inflas

also no exaggerated spread and recoil

[vale blaze]

yo is anyone down for a game rn?

[hybrid plover]

Helbore is actually one of the best options for H40.

Great one shot potential, extremely good ammo economy.

MkIV in particular can actually do some really good boss damage.

[tame lodge]

Marksmen Lasgun?
Oh
Helbore

[dim gorge]

when Dueling Sword nerf

[quasi silo]

Will try, thanks

[quasi silo]

[crimson veldt]

@quiet valley Vetgryn

[red portal]

What do i run on hellbore

[severe jolt]

weight of fire&surgical is a good choice
also, agile engagement procs on helbore bayonet stabs so you might consider taking that node in the skill tree

[umbral scaffold]

would be nice if regular lasgun got a buff

[distant mural]

If you have a premade team with mics maybe

[steep flower]

Only on Mk IV tho and its not the best choice due to reliance on headshots & relatively slow burst dmg

[steep flower]

Mk V & IIIa; surgical & falter
Mk IV; surgical & weight of fire

[brittle turtle]

two random guys invited me, lol

[midnight wyvern]

do you take grenade tinkerer for shredders?

25% range/damage sounds goog

[brittle turtle]

i dont

you could

but I dont

Shredders are best thrown in pairs anyway

[midnight wyvern]

ty

just switching my anti boss existence build up for Havoc

pretty easily switches over to shredders

[turbid ibex]

If it was only a 1 point investment maybe

[midnight wyvern]

true that

better to take the extra grenade if it is the same investment?

[brittle turtle]

Extra grenade is more useful

[turbid ibex]

If you think about it its a 33% damage increase

50% if you got kraks

[brittle turtle]

I'd say even more with shredders, since bleed stacks get a lot stronger the more there are

if you keep throwing 2 every time, thats a screen wipe everytime

[dapper vessel]

Maul

[sudden cedar]

Maul simply does not care.

[steep flower]

Saves you a talent too

[steep flower]

Its nice but not needed; get tac reload

[heavy rover]

Surgical at the very least. Besides that, feel free to use whatever suits your preference

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-yeah-baby-woooooooooo-thats-what-ive-been-waiting-for-yeah-gif-22417308

[turbid ibex]

DH?

[midnight wyvern]

daemonhost

[turbid ibex]

I see

Speaking of monstrosities ive just recently found out plogryns and slugs can spawn by bursting through walls kool-aid man style

And i imagine chaos spawn can also do that

It was funny and terrifying when it happened

[midnight wyvern]

captains can too lol

the proper kool-aid man

[sudden cedar]

They all do.

Captains will do that too.

[turbid ibex]

Captains feel like they never show up compared to monstrosities though

Except for the ones at the end of assassination missions

[sudden cedar]

Because they don't.

But in Havoc they will. Regularly.

[normal bay]

I miss them showing up for the dark rituals modifier

[turbid ibex]

I see

[grand perch]

i dont

captains are boring af

[normal bay]

Or that modifier in general

[turbid ibex]

Theyre fun when you just started out a new character so you dont have a bunch of people just bullying them to the ground without letting them do shit

[normal bay]

I would take a captain over a burgle

[midnight wyvern]

yeah

twins are good fun

shield spamming nerd is unironically a good use for Kraks

[turbid ibex]

I hope we get more missions with bossfights like the twins

[mortal aspen]

just play havoc and fight twins every match

🙂

[turbid ibex]

Wont feel the same as the final fight in their mission

Orthus is easily one of my favorite missions in the game

[midnight wyvern]

yea

I loved their like

introduction event

coming around a corner and then there just being a laugh and you having no fucking idea why

then you get dent slammed by a twin you weren't expecting

good times

[turbid ibex]

Yeah i love the build up to the final fight at the end

[midnight wyvern]

that too

[atomic void]

the fight is also easier in havoc

u can just isolate them and beat tf out of them

in the mission u have to beat them both equally and they have funny gimmicks

[turbid ibex]

I like the funny gimmicks

Makes it feel more like a proper bossfight

[midnight wyvern]

you can still focus one down more than the other

just that you have to break the shields at the same ish time

they also can't really seperate themselves by like, sections of the map in their mission

lol

but, unless its hard mode really, there is alot less going on in their mission

they might have more hp, I forget what their numbers are at

less

like 65k in auric

72k all the way through in havoc

[turbid ibex]

I really hope we end up getting another orthus-like mission with lots of build up to a bossfight with unique mechanics

[midnight wyvern]

saw someone discussing a fever-dream where they were trying to make the twin into a sort of host for a daemon prince thing, that would use a bloatfly thing as a mount for part of their fight

but we're 4 dudes, so there is only so much they can really let us fight

but I also don't just want another cookie cutter captain thing as another fight

[turbid ibex]

Tbf we're 4 dudes who have flatlined countless heretics, chaos spawns, burgles and others

[midnight wyvern]

whenever it progresses too far into something possibly having alot of power, it turns into the SM2 hive tyrant mission, the mission, at some point would have to weaken or injure whatever you're trying to fight to allow us to fight it

[sudden cedar]

A rotfly?

[midnight wyvern]

that, I dunno 40k shit lmao

[turbid ibex]

Ive seen some people say theres hints towards a possible chaos marine bossfight