veteran-class

[tall torrent]

not nearly as much as psyker

[faint beacon]

Well I mean it’s the volume by fire variant so it’s not really taking suppression to much into consideration

The other two though?

[hybrid plover]

And psyker is capable of getting the highest returns from it because of crits and disrupt destiny

[muted peak]

I think vet doesnt need crit chance as long as your aim is okay and you have right supporting weakspot blessings

At least I didnt need that

[crimson wyvern]

but crits and weakspot hits arn't the same right?

[hybrid plover]

There are some builds that do significantly benefit from crit chance.

[muted peak]

I'm just sharing my pov

I never relied on crit chance

And vet is my fav class

[mortal aspen]

vet has a bunch of crit related talents

[hybrid plover]

nah, but they do synergize cuz of the finesse mechanic

[mortal aspen]

it's weird to ignore them

also finesse weapons

[tall torrent]

no

[upper prism]

it's stockholm syndrome or something like that

[hybrid plover]

wot

[tall torrent]

every single finesse weapon wants crit chance

[upper prism]

you need to be a sweaty gamer to use this at the level of a bolter or plasma

[muted peak]

What exactly does finesse do?

[tall torrent]

lemme give u an example

[muted peak]

Is infantry lasgun a finesse weapon?

[tall torrent]

knife on zealot is ~151 dmg on carapace, 700 dmg on crit weakspot, against carapace

if u giga stack finesse bonuses
mercy killer +60%Wdmg
precognition +60%FNS
duellist +50%Wdmg and +50%Cdmg

for a total of 220% bonus

that 700 dmg on crit weakspot goes to around 2.1k

[muted peak]

[mortal aspen]

to me if a weapon has good weakspot\crit damage bonuses it's a finesse weapon

[tall torrent]

if a weapon does a lot more on weakspot than body, it usually is

[muted peak]

Are those talents zealot talents?

[tall torrent]

this "a lot more dmg" is not about percentage gain in relation to bodyshot dmg

[faint beacon]

It rivals plasma and Bolter in high havoc

It’s like apart of the veteran “Holy Trinity” cause of its good damage and insane ammo Econ

[hybrid plover]

Hot take, but I think it pretty much is the best H40 weapon solely because of the ammo economy

It isn't the easiest to use.

[faint beacon]

I mean that’s fucking true

[hybrid plover]

But it's super consistent even with all the beefed up enemies.

[tall torrent]

nah, just "one of"

[faint beacon]

Recon is easier technically

Cause it’s Yknow

Point and click

[void dragon]

its still kinda weird that Veteran doesnt have something that gives it "weakspot hits raise your crit chance", to encourage to get more headshots even on really chaotic fights

[hybrid plover]

there's a lot of things veteran could have

[upper prism]

yea but you have enough ammo for plasma or bolter even on 40 havoc

[hybrid plover]

but nah take this 5% reload speed node

[void dragon]

Recon keeps up in damage because of infernus, wonder how far would someone without that blessing could reach

[tropic halo]

We soon to get the most requested, removal of the class

[upper prism]

i mean helbore is gun for enthusiasts still

[mortal aspen]

#nerfvet

[void dragon]

we already have its replacement in the Pay2Vet class

[upper prism]

regular guys and not people from discord will never use anything other lasgun than recon

[mortal aspen]

wdym, you are already encouraged to do headshots... always

[hybrid plover]

I've seen helbore a decent bit lately.

[void dragon]

yeah, but not particularly more than most classes i feel

[mortal aspen]

that's a them problem

[hybrid plover]

I played with another smoke vet with it.

That was a fun h40

[void dragon]

smoker Veterans are amazing supports, which feels that the class is more armed to do

[hybrid plover]

Specialists just could not make it to anyone before we shot them right in the dome.

[hybrid plover]

Dude I legit cant stop using them.

[void dragon]

i have many frag builds but golly i love some of my smoke builds, use them more recently unless fully commiting to fragging

[tall torrent]

just duellist

[faint beacon]

I mean I’m consistently massively helping my team with Helby IV and the thing has always above 80% ammo all of H40 vs Bolter/Plasma seesawing from 15%-65%

[hybrid plover]

also having agile engagement on helbore specifically, chef's kiss

[tall torrent]

on a IV?

[hybrid plover]

yap

[tall torrent]

meh

[faint beacon]

Honestly AE is nice

But not needed on Helby IV

[tall torrent]

on IIIa it'd be ok

[faint beacon]

It’s consistently hitting the needed BPs

[tall torrent]

still mainly for melee weapon

[hybrid plover]

that's what I mean. the more you guarantee a one shot on your range, the more you can get out of it imho

[faint beacon]

Helby IV though is ludicrously good on H40

[faint beacon]

I’d rather play that tight rope to rock something that’s benefiting my survivability in H40

Mainly getting Target Down FT sub node

Etc

[tall torrent]

pretty sure u still need absurd dmg juice to push HB4 to 1 tap orange stacked reaper

also @faint beacon I played trepang2 but the sensitivity on that game is so weird

idk why

I used equivalent sens as I do on DT but it's so much faster in that game

[faint beacon]

Yeah it’s cause the game is fast so they upped it iirc

Fun game though

[tall torrent]

also I might be washed but the lighting in that game looks a bit off at times

[faint beacon]

Usually WOF snowballing to make you shit out a bunch of max charged shots is enough to drop them in a timely manner

[tall torrent]

like, things are too weirdly reflective

[faint beacon]

Fuck with the settings is all I can say

[tall torrent]

and it's not like raytracing or SSR reflective

[faint beacon]

You might be too used to DT lmao

[tall torrent]

I turned SSR off

and it's still super reflective

[tall torrent]

nah literally no other game I've played does this

[turbid ibex]

3 passive nodes that specifically benefit headshots, and an entire keystone+ability that give a significant boost to headshots
compared to 1 passive on zealot (doesnt specify ranged), 1 passive, 1 ability modfier and a keystone for psyker (doesnt specify ranged), 0 on ogryn and 1 on arbites (doesnt specify ranged)

though i do agree there could def be some more

[mortal aspen]

Ogryn actually has one node for weakspot hits

[turbid ibex]

thats melee weakspot though

so it doesnt do shit for headshots

[mortal aspen]

well, ok, if you mean ranged only then yeah

but the heavy stubber has finesse

[void dragon]

Hstubber doesnt even need much weakspot boost when it already can perform crazy good baseline, and weakspots when boosted are oneshots on many enemies

[tall torrent]

glorious 1391 on maniac headshot

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-squid-game-2-cheers-happy-excited-gif-13406404385856133045

[void dragon]

fear not, the random R.lasgun of the veteran will scratch that stain

[faint beacon]

Reminds me of a certain gun that does that also

Hmmmm

Gun that always ends up being like 10 damage short of a headshot kill on a shit ton of enemies lmao

[sharp epoch]

it has better havoc breakpoints than plasma without any talent investment

[hybrid plover]

poxburstered by a trauma staff user

twice

in an h40

[faint beacon]

Death?

[hybrid plover]

Actually, no. I did get downed though.

And I was not happy about it.

And then we lost.

[faint beacon]

Death.

[hybrid plover]

:)

[mortal aspen]

traumatizing experience

[hybrid plover]

Dude like Auric? Whatever. Shit happens.

Havoc 40?

Like how do you not have a modicum of situational awareness to manage that twice?

And it wasn't even only me either.

[covert fable]

My twin

[tropic notch]

Sorry was me

[slow spade]

Damn the Weapon Customization dev is having issues with updating the mod

Rip my helbore loadoit

[unreal nova]

Seems normal. If they are good enough to three man, sure.

[obtuse finch]

Finally got a Magnacore worth a damn. Thoughts?

Tried to build it around picking off elites

[hollow ibex]

unfortunately there's no single dump stat

[tall nest]

btw anyone with a H40 hellbore build i kinda wanna try it out more

[steep flower]

I think we played yesterday in partyfinder

i knew i would recognize the name

unironically you were using plasma

on mercantile

[steep flower]

add me & i'll help ya with that weapon & many other if you wish

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bpGHG.gif

Tis ain't Clea isn't it?

@steep flower Who knows maybe it is Clea.

[steep flower]

it is; its confirmed

[sudden cedar]

Was a fun match. And Clea lasted way longer than others.

And performed better compared to someone who should be doing better.

[steep flower]

we just let her/him have that lil hp for some time but it was all part of a plan for him/her to have full hp instead of 50%

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

[steep flower]

should have asked to approach a yellow barrel (there was one in the basement) so we could detonate it so F2O would get to a wound and then jabbed with a stimm for that sweet 100% hp

STRATEGY MATTERS

[sudden cedar]

What? I thought the idea is to just blindfire and complain about ammo and no backup later while..

i should stop

And you know.

bUbBlE pSyKeR iS nEeDeD

[tall nest]

Yep

I usually play barbie but you guys were the only party lmfao

and i was like well I've never played vet on havoc but this party is missing a vet so might as well

[sudden cedar]

@tall nest You did well.

[tall nest]

This feels a bit sarcastic lmfao but i don't think i did tbh

[sudden cedar]

I am going to confirm, you did well.

@tall nest We had a Zealot that was using chorus without any upgrades, dueling sword with(if i remember correctly a macro for hitting the poke faster) and more stuff and you did better than him with providing support and killing potential.

[tall nest]

Imma be so fr i don't like having zealots in my team usually

They rarely do anything or provide anything

But it's more of a class thing than a player thing

[sudden cedar]

@tall nest understandable, i usually run Chorus myself, this setup was quite weird indeed.

[tall nest]

Yeah i really hope the class gets reworked or smth soon cause chorus spam rn feels useless af

And if you're good enough on chorus play anything else and you'll do FAR FAR BETTER....

[sudden cedar]

It only feels useless.

@steep flower Wouldn't you agree?

[tall nest]

I will say that when the avg pub zealot actually hits the boss instead of like chrous spam only i shed a tear

[sudden cedar]

It depends on the loadout and the rest of the team if the Zealot hitting the boss is actually required.

Havoc is first and foremost a team-effort

Even if some see it differently

[tall nest]

Oh yeah for sure am mostly talking about my general experience in havoc

[sudden cedar]

Of course.

[tall nest]

Alot of my havoc experience has been smacking my electric vibe onto the boss losing my toughness pressing castigator repeat until mission end

[sudden cedar]

Castigator. I see.

[tall nest]

Yeah it fits my personal playstyle more this is why i also love vet just being like the high damage sniper in the team if you will

Taking out the high value targets

[sudden cedar]

Fair enough. Speaking from a coordinated team in H40, at least for the preferred playstile of our group, Castigator does not provide anything of value for the team.

Sure, you can soak up damage, but you shouldn't get in such a position in the first place.

And it can't do anything to help someone else.

[tall nest]

Oh yeah i totally agree i think it's only good for pubs because it just allows you to be invincible to kill stuff that you wouldn't be able to otherwise

Or survive those situations where the team is splitting up and such

[steep flower]

its not useless if it achieves/prevents things which it does

[barren cave]

Need new update

Especially for vet and zealot

Classes used to seem like fun challenge, but they feel significantly weaker compared to playing the same content as arbitrator or ogryn

[sudden cedar]

Eventually. Probably.

They are serviceable.

[tall nest]

I think i would want rework on zealot before vet

Vet is decently fun and definitely has more builds

Meanwhile every zealot runs the exact same skeleton build and 80% of the time it's just chorus

[steep flower]

disagree; arby still does not do better at range & support like vet can and CC as ogryn can

[tall nest]

Well arby is like very much a bruiser class

He fills the holes missing in a team because he is kinda of jack of all trades character

[azure narwhal]

Despite having nuts survivability and sustain, i'd also argue a good fotf zealot can dish out considerably more dps

Fotf zealot is crazy levels of aggression and fast pace, i love playing it

[void cipher]

does damage to toughness count for on overwatch achievement?

[sudden cedar]

No.

[tropic halo]

If your toughness is full, you wont lose the run

[severe jolt]

more than anything else, arbitrator is versatile
it can do many roles well

[sudden cedar]

Most notible is the fact that if an Arbitrator uses a Cyber-Mastiff, the Hound has the ability to outperform a human player in the capacity of handling actual threats to the team because said human players lacks the awareness and will continue to do so.

(this was sarcasm, but enjoy the scraps of truth)

[plain osprey]

Is it just me or can anyone else get the feeling that i get when i look at the whole sum total of zealots tree? Everything feels half baked. Like, the Idea is good but its not done well enough

[plain osprey]

Wishful thinking: both classes get an Update at the same time

[steep flower]

Just outdated

[tall nest]

I came from vermintide and zealot to me felt like they were trying make zealot from VT2 plus shade into one skill tree

And gave up half way through

[tall nest]

Would be amazing but idk how feasible it would be actually

[pseudo fiber]

This is like the most common thought lmfaoooo

Zealot tree is garbo

[sudden cedar]

@plain osprey Because it is exactly that.

[faint beacon]

It’s ass, there’s a reason every paths down “The build” route cause it’s the best of the best and there’s a lack of freedom between choosing blitz’s and auras without immediately getting drop kicked via tax

Honestly next update of major one more like it, needs to bring a rework to the class and minimum give veteran 1 new weapon cause I think that’s another reason why everyone is getting extremely tired and frustrated with Vet in its current state

[hybrid plover]

It's funny how the everyman class is struggling with weapon choice.

[steep flower]

Despite the fact he has the most of choices

Some ppl just wanna complain

And not experiment/try make things work

Or better yet; discover how good certain weapons are

[hollow ibex]

imagine how much build variety there'd be

if vet got a proper rework

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Even the Achlys Combat Axe has potential

[hybrid plover]

And weapon variety. Honestly I don't think a new weapon is gonna solve vet's issue with variety.

Vet in general needs a rework so a lot of the options he does have can be more viable to use.

[narrow widget]

add more stat nodes

21 isn't enough

it should be at least 42

[hybrid plover]

Main reason why so many gravitate towards the power sword and dueling sword even if it's not well liked is because they're just stat sticks that works with anything regardless of build. To make other things work requires effort for the most part.

And some things just

Don't.

I wish the chainsword was better.

[sudden cedar]

And i thought they gravitate toward the Dueling Sword because it is stupidly broken and overtuned

https://tenor.com/bpGHG.gif

[tropic notch]

There’s a lot of good options but you are limited

Knife, tac axe, combat axe, power sword, hsword, dcalw, dueling sword

[sudden cedar]

Shovel

[tall nest]

I think that's where the issue lies tho no ? the skill tree in it's current state doesn't really allow for it

I think new weapon for vet even tho is promised shouldn't come first before an actual rework

cause a rework is essentially allowing more weapons to be used

[sharp epoch]

zealot has more weapons btw, and we all know more choices doesnt mean anything class weapons are mostly always stronger and taken 90% of the time

[hollow ibex]

peak vet copium right here lol

[steep flower]

Vet has;
11 melee (2 class)
14 range (2 class)
Zealot has;
13 melee (3 class, 1 shared class)
13 range (1 class)
Point taken

[steep flower]

I dunno about the last; nobody is using evicerators for example

[sharp epoch]

Yeah there's always some class weapons that are duds like shovel and idk like electrokinetic staff

[steep flower]

Wth both are good

[sharp epoch]

They're good but not the meta/best, eviscerator can be "good" too

Psyker is a crowd control class so the best cc weapons are inferno and voidblast

[hybrid plover]

That's also part of it. So good that you can just put it on any build and make it work

also

I

LOVE

ERROR 2014!!!!

[steep flower]

You see here is mortum operandi; meta

[hybrid plover]

I LOVE IT SO MUCH

I LOVE GETTING DEMOTED FOR SOMETHING OUT OF MY CONTROL WOOOOO

[sharp epoch]

Eviscerator struggles because it's bad against armor, while DS shreds armor where it's spammed on havoc

[steep flower]

Just cause its not meta does not mean its not good

[steep flower]

Its bad cause it can’t stagger a crusher without a talent and poor dodges in combination with no immediate stagger with a press of a button like voc; it shreds armor

[hybrid plover]

you stay in place for too long for the move that can actually deal with armor

And you don't want to do that.

[sharp epoch]

Exactly you're gonna get pancaked trying to kill one guy with the move that kills armor

[steep flower]

All is tied to a situation & learning enemy behaviors

Why do you think i choose chainaxe on vet? Cause in combination with voc and my personal knowledge & positioning i’m able to utilize it & not get punished for using it

[sharp epoch]

Chainaxe is a little more forgiving right, you just light spam pretty much?

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. And eviscerator doesn't have that sort of safety net that vet does.

Ironically so.

[steep flower]

No; you light att rev

[steep flower]

And thats the only reason evis is not great; cause class has no immediate ability interruptor

[sharp epoch]

Idk book uptime is almost the same as vet maybe a few seconds longer on average as long as your getting crits

[hybrid plover]

not even close

[steep flower]

You stow your weapon while used

Thus no

[hybrid plover]

a good vet will get their shout back significantly faster and you can still do other actions while shouting

[hybrid plover]

also, the crit node is not the one that gets you chorus back fast

it just makes it that you can get it back in decent time fighting anything

pious cutthroat is the one that can get your chorus back really fast.

[azure narwhal]

Eviscerators? The mk3 i believe- double overhead lights are a lifesaver for that weapon. You can two tap ragers. L1->L2->BC repat

It was weird at first but i learnt to love it

Not to mention shredding shields for breakfast

Now i can't wait to get back home. Tough it out with the chainsword despite its funny reputation

[sudden cedar]

The chainsword is a huge.. disappointment

[steep flower]

If the light att rev was able to stagger a crusher on demand it would be better than XV; but it does not and its worse and it makes me sad

[azure narwhal]

True but it's a chainsword

Lore glaze

[sudden cedar]

Still does not make it great.

[azure narwhal]

Really? I never liked the MkXV much tbh

Not to mention i can never run it due to how ugly it looks in comparison

[tropic notch]

Tbh ds sucks on vet

I don’t get the hype

[hybrid plover]

ds5 is fun

[tropic notch]

Maybe the mk5 I understand

[azure narwhal]

Ds only for psyker or balls exploded. Like the founding fathers intended.

[hybrid plover]

i mean, dueling sword is a good compliment for a ranged weapon that's capable of handling mixed hordes

i give it that

something like a double barrel

[tropic notch]

Also exploit weaknesses is over looked it’s actually pretty decent

With the mk4 tac axe or dclaw

[steep flower]

Smite

[tropic notch]

But it’s about the only time I’d use it

[hybrid plover]

We don't talk about that here.

This is the veteran chat.

[sudden cedar]

Smite.

sMiTe

[steep flower]

Don’t care

[sudden cedar]

[hybrid plover]

Blasphemers. All of you!

[steep flower]

SMITE

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/RfTn.gif

[tropic notch]

Smite would be cool if it was like chaos reach from destiny 2

[hybrid plover]

Speaking of smite, I witnessed a poor smyker getting pancaked by a green crusher yesterday.

4k UHD

[fossil creek]

i tried psyker today and blew myself up like 5 times

trying out new build

safe to say i suck

[hybrid plover]

it do be like that

[tropic notch]

Have you tried melee psyker

[steep flower]

I miss destiny 2… and that ult…
I called it
Wakanda Thanda
Cause i have the powah of da pepal

[fossil creek]

I ran elektrostaff, greatsword and uhhh

Smite i tried and crystals

[sudden cedar]

@hybrid plover Always a lovely sight to see.

[fossil creek]

Smite increased my chances of blowing up significantly

[sudden cedar]

When their crutch does not help them anymore

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/evil-hatchetmancer

[hybrid plover]

They left immediately after.

[steep flower]

Thats why if you go pure smite you never use a staff; you pick a gun

[sudden cedar]

Of course they left

[tropic notch]

Was me sorry

[sudden cedar]

You are doing that thing with your eyes again, Provost!
Would you prefer it if i do something with YOUR eyes?

[tropic notch]

Tbh I’m glad for stuff like nurgel blessed that makes smite useless

[steep flower]

But the build i’ve discussed with ya takes practice; and psyker requires some managing

[hybrid plover]

scrier's surge ek has a word with you

[sudden cedar]

It has a certain charme yes.

[steep flower]

Actually; its good cause you single out enemies that cannot be staggered = more dangerous ones for your team to kill first while the rest gets stopped so nah; it ain’t a counter

[fossil creek]

Check

[sudden cedar]

Yeah but look, the average smyker has no capacity for that

[steep flower]

Its nice

[sudden cedar]

They live out their Emperor Palpatine power fantasy

[fossil creek]

Im just gonna hop back on vet and get to havoc 30

[sudden cedar]

and just like the Emperor, get yeeted into the abyss by Darth Vader.

[steep flower]

GL

[fossil creek]

And save psyker for later

[fast shale]

Don't you all feel like Rashad eat up too much stamina?

Worth using 2 stam curios when using it?

[plain osprey]

THAT you need to explain pls

[sudden cedar]

Difficult.

[plain osprey]

Sometimes i do

And i regret it every time

[sudden cedar]

Eviscerators require investment into a branch of the tree, removing from the necessary.

They are certainly good weapons.

[hollow ibex]

most of the time you should just be light or heavy attacking

why is it using so much stam for you?

[formal ice]

Want a tip? Always use a 3 stamina curio on every class

That isn't ogryn

[hollow ibex]

and then there's me always taking no stam curio lol

[formal ice]

Probably he uses the push attack too much

[hollow ibex]

though for havoc it's prob worthwhile to invest more in stam

[formal ice]

We all know that having stamina for running and blocking is better than having more defense and being tanky

Thats why our friend Tanner uses 3 stamina curious on each slot of his knife Zealot build

Totally the best build

[plain osprey]

our friend

Right.....

Also also, afaik he quit darktide

[narrow frost]

"quit"

he got blacklisted

[formal ice]

He quit passing by the blacklist

[mortal aspen]

n-word guy tanner got blacklisted?

gasp

what does that mean specifically though?

[formal ice]

Remember when him and his fans were saying that the ogryn update was his idea

Or at least some of the ogryn update

[mortal aspen]

I do, but that's hardly something offensive or punishable

[formal ice]

Didn't said he was blacklisted to that

I think he was racist

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bpGHG.gif

[tame lodge]

Or was it because of the harassment of CMs

Who knows

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-rdj-robert-downey-jr-kidnapped-well-gif-14639224

Also on the Rashad topic

[formal ice]

Well, what matter is that Tanner is no longer part of the community

[tame lodge]

Yeah probably pushing too much

Or running too much

I sure as hell don't have the best stamina management because I run too much

[formal ice]

Stamina regeneration is underrated ngl

[mortal aspen]

I think sprinting and sliding should be cut out

[tropic notch]

Banned from playing darktide I believe ,he harassed a cm

[formal ice]

Everyone awalys picking that one stamina efficiency to awalys be running, just so that when they get close to a enemy they have low stamina and can't defend

[tropic notch]

I run stamina regen and sprint efficiency

[formal ice]

Back to Vermintide logic

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-giga-chad-scream-mirror-gif-15250052683530088091

[tame lodge]

This is darktide, my kin
Get your rat slayer ass back to Vermintide 2, my kin

[mortal aspen]

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/serious-look-nick-fury-samuel-l-jackson-secret-invasion-staring-gif-14104089886562376512

[formal ice]

https://tenor.com/view/sienna-kerillian-vermintide-rat-gif-23310770

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/live-bile-troll-reaction-bile-troll-vermintide-vermintide-2-versus-versus-gif-14791691335031301398

[formal ice]

https://tenor.com/view/skaven-dance-warhammer-fantasy-dancing-skaven-ratman-dance-gif-19349860

[tropic notch]

@severe gale

[formal ice]

Isn't this cat going to steal your soul?

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-baby-smol-cute-cat-gif-18688416

[formal ice]

https://tenor.com/view/stinky-loser-tiny-kitten-explode-gif-15623895175038521381

Die

[mortal aspen]

diez nuts

[tall torrent]

Idk about banned from playing

[tropic notch]

Or banned from the forums / sever

[formal ice]

Banned EVERYWHERE

Can't even be in Fatshark Studio's country

[mortal aspen]

banned from planet earth

[spark helm]

Anyone got some fixes for performance issues? I guess it's finally my turn to deal with it. It got like really bad lately for no apparent reason. Can't even hold 60 now

Checked and it seems like the game is running with the right gpu

[fossil creek]

I do have some serious lag spikes from time to time.

[spark helm]

I can't think of anything else after setting changes.

[fossil creek]

Didn't experience any lag before.

Like a handful of months ago.

[spark helm]

I usually play on auric and it's genuinely awful trying to keep up with everything.

[tall torrent]

Wat specs

[spark helm]

Can't even do damnation without fps drops

[tall torrent]

Did u change settings config as well

[spark helm]

Gtx 2080 or whatever. Never had issues running the game smoothly until the last couple of weeks.

[spark helm]

For the gpu itself or for the game?

[spark helm]

Because I almost always bring down my settings for anything. I don't need the game to look amazing, i just need it to work.

I recently fiddled around with my shader cache for another game but that didn't turn out to be the issue and even then, darktide still ran well.

[tall torrent]

For the game

User settings config

[spark helm]

Yeah that's been changed ages ago.

[mortal aspen]

if the game needs to do the shader cache thing again, it will lag for a bit

[spark helm]

Doesn't the game already take care of that before launching?

[mortal aspen]

happens every time I reinstall drivers for example

[mortal aspen]

nah

[severe gale]

peakl

[spark helm]

The shader cache bit was for a totally different game like I said and darktide wasn't affected by it then so I have no idea where that matters here.

[tall torrent]

Are u using upscaling (ex: Nvidia Image Scaling)

[spark helm]

This is like a top of the week observation

[spark helm]

Nope. I don't care about it.

I intentionally bring games like this down because I want it to run as smoothly as possible. Just about every setting is low or off.

[mortal aspen]

on arbites release, the game had a huge performance drop if you had an arbites in the team iirc

might still be the case

[spark helm]

That's so fucking weird because I've been the arbites as different times and have had them. No issues, really.

Never heard about that either.

[atomic void]

performance is the same for me

(bad)

game was simply not made with big spawns in mind

cause it runs fine if u drop down to damnation and blow

[spark helm]

I've been playing the game since 2nd closed beta. The only time I ever had issues back then was during like

[tall nest]

For my hellbore users what builds do you use

[spark helm]

Idk some shit that generally was fucking everyone up. This has never been an issue up until now

[tall torrent]

Hav u reported this to FS forums

Also do u use smth like MSI afterburner to check

It might not be a GPU thing

[spark helm]

And this only changed in the last like week or so since I played with it mattering yesterday.

[tall torrent]

Could be CPU

[spark helm]

I've never heard of that.

[tall torrent]

TLDR
CPU utilization % doesn’t tell u the full story

U could be at like 26% cpu utilization but actually get bottlenecked super hard

[foggy cloak]

@tall torrent just wanted to give you a shout-out; your guide + all your messages on this discord, are a goldmine of info on the unlisted stats in this game

[tall torrent]

I’m soon to be done with veteran portions of the steam guide

[spark helm]

When would this be an issue that matters suddenly? I don't exactly understand why that would be a problem now when the game hasn't had this problem before.

[tall torrent]

It’s a FatShark game who knows what went wrong

This game always had really low 1%fps

[spark helm]

Seems like one of those things that's just finally affecting me, idk.

[tall torrent]

Which is usually cuz of CPU bottleneck

[spark helm]

Shit is definitely irritating me. PC gaming in general but ugh.

[tall torrent]

I mean

Could also be the new win11 updates

[spark helm]

I refuse to install that.

[tall torrent]

Or the new nvidia drivers

Maybe swap to smth like 566 for nvidia driver

[tall nest]

I won't lie this game is filled with issues

[spark helm]

Maybe.

[tall nest]

I personally can't switch characters

[spark helm]

I could just roll shit back.

[tall nest]

cause it keeps disconnecting me when i change operators

[tall torrent]

Funny enough for me Linux runs DT better than win11 did

[muted peak]

I'm looking for a melee weapon on vet that I can use for damnation, auric and maelstorm and beyond

Already used power sword for context

[narrow frost]

Tactical axe

has damage mobilty and stagger

[formal ice]

Devil Sword and Shovel

[muted peak]

Also I have infantry lasgun for ranged

[formal ice]

Also Heavy Sword

[spark helm]

Fuck it I give up lol

Uninstalled.

[crimson pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[spark helm]

Sucks since I actually like this game but now it just won't work. womp womp iug

Somehow turning down the graphics quality made it worse?

[tropic halo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677206266266910731/1405536149740589127/car.gif

[tall torrent]

Shouldn’t
But there was a bug where changing to <native resolution made game use more GPU

[spark helm]

_>??? man what?

[tall torrent]

Yea I was playing on laptop before

[tropic halo]

Theres a guide here someone made that optimizes a bit

[tall torrent]

Changing to <1080p made it run worse

Somehow

Compared to 1080p

[spark helm]

Like yeah I'm on a laptop but none of this was an issue before and it's killing me trying to figure this out lmao.

I just went with ye olde windowed resolution and that sort of made things less stupid.

[tropic halo]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/e/2PACX-1vRN6KRFvgKnNu9t-nseWel-N9ty9NUBafzIfqqBZdyl2I4utOr60SqQlzdAo2CsFLzYvHg1IRUf3Huh/pub?pli=1

[spark helm]

unsure about how long that will hold up.

I appreciate the guide dump. I'll hold on to it but I'm not about to do all that right now. Ridiculous that I need to perform software surgery to get something to work out the package.

[muted peak]

What are you using on settings and what is your hardware?

I had 10 fps on heresy hordes but now can play smooth as butter even in auric

Maybe i can help

Also, what exactly is the role of stealth vets?

[tropic notch]

Now watch them rework him next big patch

[tropic notch]

Tac axe

You can use it for all characters

[muted peak]

What blessings?

[tropic notch]

Depends on mk, mk2 or7 headtaker bm flak unarmored

Mk4 headtaker shred

Same perks

[muted peak]

Ty

[muted peak]

.

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build this is the build I use with it

[tropic notch]

Tbh nothing

[muted peak]

The tac axe?

It says power sword tho?

[tropic notch]

You can res with voc (I’m not talking about the modifier for it that one sucks) and it gives you survivability

[tropic notch]

It’s the build I run with the tac axe

[tropic notch]

Speed running

That’s what it’s for

And zealot does that better

Stealth in general isn’t good

It’s too taxing

[spark helm]

Everything that isn't giblets and whatever else has been turned off or set to low. got a 2080 gtx or whatever and uh

All of this is a new development.

[muted peak]

Res?

[tropic notch]

Getting someone up from being downed

[muted peak]

I played with voc too much, I just want to have a fresh air

A change of pace yk

[muted peak]

Have you examined your gpu and cpu usage ingame?

[spark helm]

I was told to try clearing my shader cache to see if that turns up anything. shade_cache.hans and shader_library.pso_lib

Never had to do it before and I'm working on confirming that doing that sort of thing doesn't come with issues.

[muted peak]

It doesnt

The game just automatically makes new shader cache for you

[spark helm]

CPU tanked to 39% but it just fucking sucks either way.

[muted peak]

I did that a lot while playing helldivers

[spark helm]

The longer I play the worst it gets

[muted peak]

I see

Do you use dx11?

[spark helm]

And again, this is new.

[muted peak]

It looks like a memory leak issue

[spark helm]

I don't remember.

Probably?

[muted peak]

Go to your steam launch options and send the screenshot here

[spark helm]

Launch is clear. I'm guessing I need to type in something to be enabled?

[muted peak]

Hm

Try deleting shader cache for now

And using dx11 might solve it for you

You have to sacrifice some visuals tho

[turbid ibex]

Have you tried turning it on and off again?

[spark helm]

Are you being serious or just trying to make a joke?

[muted peak]

Why would I make a joke out of it?

[spark helm]

Not you

[muted peak]

Oh

[spark helm]

I'm ignoring it at this point it's whatever.

[muted peak]

If your gpu usage maxes out after some point, it's some kind of memory leak issue, unused assets clogs your vram and ram

I had that with helldivers 2, switching to dx12 solved it for me

I had gtx 1650 so it might be due to hardware too

[spark helm]

Possibly but I do what I can to take care of my things.

I understand that all this shit is made to die anyway.

[muted peak]

Well if you enjoy it its fine, but it gets annoying to play after some point

[spark helm]

But until that becomes the clear case, I just wanna try to stop whatever this is from happening. If not, whatever. Pc gaming is a stupid money sink.

[muted peak]

Pc gaming is just finding the right settings for you

I had to switch to linux, had to set up gamemode and mangohud or etc just to get the game to work normally

It took me like 1 month but it was worth it

[spark helm]

atp, whatever i gotta do to better understand this shit the better. I have very little patience for this kind of crap.

[muted peak]

All hardware have their optimized options, the issue is finding them

[spark helm]

I can do it, it's just irritating.

[muted peak]

I get you, wishing you luck

If you encounter something you cant solve try tagging me

Always happy to help a reject find their optimized settings

Also guys, do you have any stealth builds? Its my first time doing one and absolutely clueless on what I should take

[narrow widget]

if you want to stealth why not just use zealot

[muted peak]

Counterpoint, my professional vet is blessed af, thats why

[mortal aspen]

issues are bound to appear sooner or later

[muted peak]

I dont know why but he is just blessed

[mortal aspen]

your hardware might be cooked

who knows

[spark helm]

What command do I need to use to launch with dx11?

Or whatever one is the better options.

[muted peak]

Iirc, --used3d11

Make sure to google tho

Also, its not guaranteed that switching to dx11 will improve it

[spark helm]

And to answer your question, stealth vet is entirely possible. Haven't paid attention to a set up i liked in a while and I forgot what build I used to do. Start with figuring out what weapons you want to try it out with.

Popular picks are combat knives and duelling swords from what I've used and seen.

[muted peak]

Maybe duelling sword then

Also what blessing to go with duelling swords?

[narrow widget]

uncanny + riposte/precognition/agile

[muted peak]

I actually want to play chainsword and something that compliments it

[spark helm]

Duelling sword is probably the hands down best option there. I usually run like thrust and uncanny strike. Thrust is very easy to set up and you don't always need maxed out thrust to kill things that matter.

I did thrust and agile once and the main issue I had there was being super dependent on my heavy attack. The other combinations that the person above this post mentioned work as well for a better even spread.

[narrow widget]

uncanny is non negotiable

[spark helm]

Pretty much the anchoring blessing the higher you go.

[tame lodge]

A bolter might help

Or revolver

[sterile cradle]

Hello I'm trying to do the on overwatch penance but I keep getting hit by random attacks that reduce both my toughness and one or two hp even if I still have toughness (even from trash enemies), am I missing something ? It's getting very annoying

[narrow widget]

use shout

[muted peak]

Sry for wrong emoji

[narrow widget]

golden toughness will save your health even if you get hit

[spark helm]

I don't think anything of it, you're fine.

[sterile cradle]

Okay okay, what's the mechanic behind it though ?

[hybrid plover]

Golden toughness negates melee bleedthrough as long as you have it.

[muted peak]

I'm frequently switching positions so what about laspistol and inf lasgun?

[sterile cradle]

Yeah but I mean the fact that some attacks ignore a bit of toughness, why is that ?

[hybrid plover]

Melee.

[sudden cedar]

They don't

[muted peak]

I worship gold toughness

[sudden cedar]

They bleed through because you take too much damage.

[sterile cradle]

Idk that seems very weird to me

[narrow widget]

normally, toughness only protects your health if you have 100%
outside of that it reduces your health by a bit dependent on the amount of toughness left
golden toughness gives you over 100% so if you take toughness damage it doesn't count towards your actual health damage

[hybrid plover]

Ranged attacks will only do toughness damage until it's depleted. Melee attacks will have bleed through if you're below max toughness.

[muted peak]

Toughness reduces melee damage by % on toughness for example if you have toughness filled %80 you will take %80 reduced melee damage

Toughness only completely shields ranged

[sterile cradle]

Oh okay, thanks

[sudden cedar]

Thanks for clarifying, i thought it worked differently

Or mixed things up between ranged and melee

[hybrid plover]

It's not the most well explained mechanic.

[sudden cedar]

Very much so

[sterile cradle]

Well I thought it tanked the whole damage but some specific attacks could go through

[hybrid plover]

Funny given it's basically one of the most important mechanics in the game.

[sudden cedar]

Some actually do.

[sterile cradle]

Absolutely yeah

[sudden cedar]

Fire from Barrels will.

[hybrid plover]

[narrow widget]

if you have 100% toughness it'll absorb the first hit

[muted peak]

[narrow widget]

unless crusher overhead, mauler overhead, fire, whatever whatever that ignores it

[gentle lake]

I need to try playing veteran again

[muted peak]

To add, gold toughness exceeds your toughness limit, untill you deplete gold toughness you will take no damage either way

[tame lodge]

Laspistol would pair ok, although you'd still have a bit of trouble with Carapace or just melee elites spam
While Lasgun is mostly dedicated anti ranged and the inverse fall off wouldn't help with melee elites close to you, similar carapace problems

[muted peak]

Hm

[hybrid plover]

Anything that's melee will chew through health if you have lower than max toughness. Barrels will damage you irregardless of toughness. Ranged attacks have to deplete the toughness to get to your health other than snipers specifically.

[muted peak]

Elite spam is a problem when playing chain weapons especially crushers and bulwarks

[hybrid plover]

And if you have blue toughness, mauler and crusher overheads do not care.

[muted peak]

I will give boltgun a try

[narrow widget]

if pullout time is too long try bistol and run nade vet

[muted peak]

My honest reaction to the overhead I made sure I dodged but hit somehow:

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-24341837

[muted peak]

What is pullout time?

[sterile cradle]

So the plan is shouting whenever enemies are too close and I can't dodge/parry and when it's on cd I improvise ?

[muted peak]

Shouting is reserved for when shit hits the fan

[hybrid plover]

Shout whenever you think there's a possibility that you'll take damage.

Which is nearly all the time.

[muted peak]

When you or the team is in a tough spot

[narrow widget]

take tactical awareness and you will never have a cooldown as long as there are specialists to farm

[narrow widget]

swap speed

[sterile cradle]

Well I'm trying to do it on second difficulty to make it easier but I really want to go in higher difficulties, I want to fight actual hordes

[muted peak]

Nah it itsnt, I can manage

[hybrid plover]

What level are you?

[sterile cradle]

I have it + 3 cdr relics, should be fine

[sterile cradle]

I'm level 30

[muted peak]

Full level?

[sterile cradle]

Yeah

[muted peak]

Oh

[hybrid plover]

If you're level 30, there is absolutely no reason to not use tactical awareness.

[narrow widget]

cdr only takes off like 2 seconds or smth cuz the cooldown of shout is only 30 seconds

[muted peak]

Can you send the build and what You use?

[narrow widget]

just take tactical awareness cuz it gives you a flat 6 seconds each time you kill a specialist

[hybrid plover]

I cannot recommend not having tactical awareness on any vet build.

It's legitimately too valuable to pass up.

[muted peak]

Shouting non stop 4 da emperor

[hybrid plover]

Takes off about 4 altogether.

[sterile cradle]

uuuuuh seems like I can't post screenshots here can I ?

[narrow widget]

gameslantern

[hybrid plover]

It's impactful but much more impactful when you have tactical awareness on top of that four seconds tbh

[muted peak]

Can u send in dm so I can send here?

[sterile cradle]

I can do that yeah

[muted peak]

Nice

[narrow widget]

oh my god

[narrow widget]

longshit spotted

[muted peak]

I see the potential

[sterile cradle]

I tried to get support skills on top of having some agency to get rid of specialists and stuff

[narrow widget]

I beg of you take longshit off

[sterile cradle]

Is the required range too long or something ?

[hybrid plover]

For this game, pretty much.

[sterile cradle]

Ah rip

The 20% damage sounded really juicy

[hybrid plover]

Not many practical situations where that damage boost is actually going to matter.

[midnight wyvern]

bottom middle one can be nice if you want to take more advantage of bottom left

goes from 7.5% team damage buff to 12%

[narrow widget]

lowk I never run the ft subnodes

[hybrid plover]

eh, problem with that is how often you'll be trying to tag stuff

[sterile cradle]

Yeah

[midnight wyvern]

I only run it because haha boss healthbar go delet

[sterile cradle]

I find myself not using all the stacks most of the time

[hybrid plover]

in practice, you don't get the extra stacks that often.

[midnight wyvern]

just depends on how you're playing

I dont think you need full stacks of FT on anything smaller than a boss

so you're just keeping uptime on redirect fire

[hybrid plover]

also

what ranged weapon are you using @sterile cradle

there has to be a good reason to be using deadshot

it is not a node you just want to take with anything because it can severely hurt your survivability

[sterile cradle]

I'm using infantry lasgun for now

[narrow widget]

my stamina when deadshot

[sterile cradle]

I'm leveling up weapons tbf

[narrow widget]

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

[hybrid plover]

i'd say deadshot is probably not ideal then

[narrow widget]

if you have a lot of plasteel you can just buy brunt's armory weapons, consecrate to green, then sac them

[hybrid plover]

vet sucks with stamina economy

[sterile cradle]

Oh I didn't think about doing this

Thanks for the tip

[muted peak]

I also recommend 8 stack for focus target

[hybrid plover]

unless you're me and use two stamina delay nodes

[muted peak]

I only use that talent

It helps significantly

Imagine %32 damage increase on a boss

[midnight wyvern]

20% to 32% is nice

yeah

[sterile cradle]

I don't really know how to survive tbh, I'm kind of a nob and the two classes I played before I played them melee which is... very easy compared to veteran

[muted peak]

Otherwise looks good

[narrow widget]

shout and frags have insane stagger

you can use those to keep enemies off you

[muted peak]

Vet is fragile compared to other melee focused classes

[narrow widget]

aside from that just play some honest darktide ig

[midnight wyvern]

gold tougho from shout is great for survivability too

and do not take res shout

[muted peak]

What is your melee weapon?

[turbid ibex]

Honestly that doesnt make much sense

[hybrid plover]

it does tho

[midnight wyvern]

[hybrid plover]

it is by far the most shafted class in terms of its stamina economy

[turbid ibex]

Like theyre supposed to have went through some military training

[muted peak]

[narrow widget]

psykers have better cardio than us

[sterile cradle]

I still don't know what melee I want to use, I tried a bunch and can't seem to find one that does the job very well

[hybrid plover]

Oh yeah for sure

Like I don't understand why vet is as bad with stamina as they are.

[sterile cradle]

I feel like I'm just missing something on that matter

[muted peak]

If you use lasgun I recommend getting some punch for armor

Power sword, chaxe, axes do this well

I use power sword and mark 2b inf lasgun on auric

[midnight wyvern]

Tac Axe is really nice, Duelling sword is great for armour too

boring but

does the job, very good mobility too

[muted peak]

Yeah duelling sword forgot about it

[midnight wyvern]

with FT ping and buffs running from Red nodes in the tree and ability, DS can do some cracked damage on vet

funny eyeball poke

[narrow widget]

you can use anything on auric tbf

[sterile cradle]

Doesn't sound like it has good cleave does it ?

[hybrid plover]

it does not

[midnight wyvern]

no, but it doesn't really need it

[narrow widget]

DS doesn't need cleave

[muted peak]

Cleave isnt its specialty

[hybrid plover]

Lack of cleave on DS is only really relevant on Havoc

[midnight wyvern]

attacks fast enough and does enough damage that it kills hordes okay and you otherwise absolutely murder anything larger

[hybrid plover]

Otherwise, it's perfectly serviceable.

[muted peak]

[hybrid plover]

Maybe too serviceable.

[midnight wyvern]

[sterile cradle]

That sounds so unintuitive haha

[midnight wyvern]

could not at all be why they're changing it

[hybrid plover]

essentially, dueling sword is giga overpowered in regular difficulties because of its immense single target and half decent horde clear

it levels out in havoc where you actually need some cleave to get through some of the denser hordes.

[midnight wyvern]

its why its boring, its a good weapon, good to suggest to newer players if they want a good weapon, but its just giga unga bunga

[narrow widget]

ps6 my beloved

[sterile cradle]

Which is funny because if you didn't tell me this that would have been like the last weapon I'd try

[midnight wyvern]

[narrow widget]

it's one of the strongest weapons in the game

[hybrid plover]

Oh you really are new.

[midnight wyvern]

ive been running Taxe as of pretty recently and its one of the better feeling weapons when not running WS side bottom of the tree for trench fighter or whatever its called

if you like power sword use that, its very good but not for everyone

lol

[sterile cradle]

Well I have a bunch of hours into the game but not enough to try every weapon and everything, I still have to discover some of the content I unlocked (which I kinda stay away for now since it's private only it seems)

[hybrid plover]

if anything you probably aren't onsetting yourself for carpal tunnel nearly as much running that without trench fighter

[midnight wyvern]

[azure narwhal]

Taxe zealots, fucking hell

[hybrid plover]

love the tac axe but good lord

[azure narwhal]

Gives me motion sickness

[midnight wyvern]

Taxe on Zealot sounds like a speedrun

[hybrid plover]

dude I play a marty taxe zealot in h40

shit is not easy on the wrist at all LOL

crazy strong though

[muted peak]

🍿

[azure narwhal]

It really is not, saw a zealot who mained it. The guy was really good i cannot lie but it looked like the kind of carpal tunnel a guitarist would get

Impressive boss damage too

[hybrid plover]

i mean, martyr with tac axe has a very particular synergy that makes it really good

[azure narwhal]

Yeah

[midnight wyvern]

in the early days, watching a knife zealot go ham just looked like they were tweaking

[hybrid plover]

other than attack speed, the extra damage actually lets you proc brutal momentum way more

[narrow widget]

tbf what kind of reject isnt constantly tweaking

[azure narwhal]

Attack speed is high enough to praise the god emperor at 5 swings per second

[azure narwhal]

Yeah momentum is key

[midnight wyvern]

after last match, that is honestly fair

[azure narwhal]

I just got accustomed to running big weapons on my zealot though. I struggle to take the relic blade or the eviscerator out of my hands

[midnight wyvern]

heard DH whispering, got happy, went looking, wasn't on bottom floor, went up, no DH to be found, sound goes away

[azure narwhal]

Lmao

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/padded-cell-happy-snow-white-mental-breakdown-gif-17405036219425317509

[narrow widget]

warp fuckery

[hybrid plover]

relic blade martyr zealot is absolutely stupid

[azure narwhal]

Lore accurate possesion

[azure narwhal]

I think bro likes martyr!!1!!

Don't blame ya though

[hybrid plover]

i don't use anything but martyr these days

[midnight wyvern]

martyrdom is a drug

I need to go back on it

been playing too much vet

[hybrid plover]

it unironically lets me survive h40 more than anything else

[azure narwhal]

Understandable lol

Also i just realised

This is vet chat

Professional off topic enjoyer

[hybrid plover]

try to actually have an insightful conversation in the zealot chat.

i double dog dare you

[azure narwhal]

Fair lmao

[midnight wyvern]

zealots were mentioned, it caused their perpetual off topic chat to bleed in

I go in there and its either helldivers or war thunder

every time

[azure narwhal]

We need more knightly cosmetics for the zealots soon. I dream of remaking my dark souls character, but 40k-esque

[hybrid plover]

occasional bf6

[azure narwhal]

I know the inquisition has steel plates to spare

[midnight wyvern]

I beg

I have 2 sets of shiny chrome armour

I need more

[sudden cedar]

Nah. Best they've got is x-version of a homeless crackhead.. or something.

[midnight wyvern]

crackhead found some medieval armour

[azure narwhal]

Yeah. I just run the classic with paid leggings (luckily they are absolutely goated, actually resembling plate armour)

[sudden cedar]

Yes those, i was debating to get them or not.

Wasn't quite convinced at the time

[midnight wyvern]

them legs look cool

[azure narwhal]

Yeah man, worth for what i like at least

Ok there is this one cosmetic though

It's full plate

For body

But it's a dress

In red

[sudden cedar]

Ah yes that one.

[azure narwhal]

I've yet to see it

[sudden cedar]

It looks lovely.

[azure narwhal]

Yeah

Commodore gonna be the end of us

[sudden cedar]

I am missing some fitting knightly legs.

[azure narwhal]

Wh40k sure knows how to drain life out of customers well

[sudden cedar]

Once those legs return i might actually get them. Maybe.

[midnight wyvern]

definitely not great but Ill take what I can get lol

gib better armour

90% of our shit is just clothes

[sudden cedar]

My faith is my shield

But come on, knightly armor looks good.

Unironically, i would love some of the Veteran armor on my zealot.

Just stupid candles everywhere.

[azure narwhal]

Looking good man

[sudden cedar]

Also, there is still no skin for the Relic Blade.

[midnight wyvern]

yeah my vet drip is definitely my best

its just funny how close my randomly assorted "this looks dope" drip is similar to others here haha

[sudden cedar]

The Vostroyan Veteran Armor and that Crucis Armor for the Veteran look good.

I would love them on the Zealot.

The Crucis armor has candles tho.

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-cat-cute-yessir-gif-17449845613192073437

[sudden cedar]

Looking great.

Thats not the armor i have in mind tho.

[midnight wyvern]

yeah I got no idea what armour you're talking about lol, was just showing mine

[hybrid plover]

i always missed the knightly chestplates

i have settled for this https://gyazo.com/60ec589963c3b2fe0f860ecc707ca28d

[midnight wyvern]

chestplate looks like the ones the captains wear?

looks odd, but reminds me of something lol

[hybrid plover]

it's the havoc chestplate

[azure narwhal]

Yeah, i wish we got an astartes power sword type of skin for the RB. Imagine running around with these

Br00tal.

[sudden cedar]

I find it funny that the Psyker Force Greatsword by now has at least 2 skins, the Relic Blade has none.

[azure narwhal]

Yeah

[sudden cedar]

And they got released at the same damn time.

[atomic void]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[sudden cedar]

although knowing Carcharodon Gargantua, once the skin actually does come out, i won't like it because the colour palette is just weird.

What were they called again? The snow outfits?

Trunkk or something?

That color scheme is nice.

[crimson wyvern]

fully switched on and helbore lasgunning it up i cant compete with those Arbities and dogs

[muted peak]

How to look like the boys on the mourningstar?

I mean the default vet op

The ones who are guarding

[atomic void]

me when i cant out dps people on the gun that takes 10 years to shoot

[turbid ibex]

Damn thats drip

I assume its commodore though?

[plain osprey]

Love the top half and the helmet.

"Doom is comming for you"

[plain osprey]

Looks kinda battle sister esque.

Nice.

[plain osprey]

Comparison is the thief of joy. Thats why i dont use the scoreboard mod.

[hybrid plover]

cant go wrong with that hairstyle in white for a zealot

[plain osprey]

After like half a year i have lifted your block.

Dont make me regret it

[hybrid plover]

always had the angle of a disgraced sister of battle with that look

[plain osprey]

Indeed. Same with blood drop and aquilla tatoos

[spark helm]

@muted peak welp I tried. Game goes into the uninstall blender until further notice. i'm done trying to figure this out.

[gleaming wadi]

is there any reasonable way to farm the krak grenade penance

[orchid hemlock]

what

how could u do this to me 😔

[umbral scaffold]

No

Just play missions and throw them at any minor inconvenience

[jaunty tinsel]

Sometimes you get lucky with a X-for-1 deal if you throw them at a crusher pack

[plain osprey]

I once was bored and looking for human connection (already in a sour mood) and just asked "hello, how is everyone doing" in ogryn chat.

You just answered with "no". I inquired what you mean by that and you said 'no". Again. You were trolling me and not taking me seriously, and being a stuck up german, i took that personally and blocked you.

And id do it again

[jaunty tinsel]

They tend to stick so close together that they can actually all get wiped by the same krak

[azure narwhal]

Scab bruisers. Due to their flak center mass they count. Find a few, push them into one tight spot, throw krak dead center

[jaunty tinsel]

Same with the scab bruisers yeah

[orchid hemlock]

You blocked me over a "no"? 😭

[plain osprey]

Yes (the irony is not lost on me)

[gleaming wadi]

If a weapon has both defence and mobility stats, which one is the dump?

[jaunty tinsel]

Ogryn players are known for their epic grudges

[plain osprey]

Na, thats just me, i am a stubborn dumbass

[jaunty tinsel]

Sorry to hear that

[plain osprey]

Be real, you either dont care or cackle to yourself about this

You didnt take me serious back than, you wont now.

Im not stupid.

Only proud and spiteful

[plain osprey]

I'll grow out of it eventually

I hope

[jaunty tinsel]

Maybe start by just not doing the things you acknowledge as ungood

[orchid hemlock]

I take you seriously

[plain osprey]

Depends on weapon. And playstile. And build. And what class

[azure narwhal]

No melee weapons are grouped into one straight answer, what are you looking for exactly?

[hybrid plover]

Honestly if the weapon has both, it's usually defenses.

[azure narwhal]

Tru

Makin sure

[hybrid plover]

If it only has mobility, that's often the dump stat except for something like

power sword

[gleaming wadi]

I'm looking at a chainaxe with dumped defences and am wondering if I should keep looking for other chainaxes

[hybrid plover]

If it only has defenses, then honestly it's worth looking into what that stat will actually offer.

[plain osprey]

Pretty hard to turn spite off when feeling wronged.

Ive never been good taking ridicule and mockery on the chin.

When i was a kid i usually threw hands or insults.

As an adult i usually block/delete. Or file a police report (insulting and mocking someone are legit crimes in germany, and yes, i would press charges in certain circumstances)

[jaunty tinsel]

I wish you all the best in self-improvement

[orchid hemlock]

I might go to Germany next year

On that day I will visit you and make amends

[plain osprey]

*cues loose canon veteran: I'll believe when i see it

[orchid hemlock]

Guten Morgan

[plain osprey]

2am Buddy. Gute Nacht 🌙

Good night everyone

[orchid hemlock]

It's morning somewhere

Like me

😈

[plain osprey]

Well well, then good morning to you, enjoy your day. Imma enjoy my night now.

[orchid hemlock]

Bye bye 👋

[azure narwhal]

If you rolled a 80/80/80/80/60 (defences) then you're golden

[muted peak]

🫡

He left the server

Truly o7

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-billy-billy-herrington-jojo-gachi-gif-22332544

[sonic marlin]

this is what you want on rashad right? Not sure if i should replace either perks for maniac/carapace

[hollow ibex]

you can drop flak for cara

but otherwise looks good

[atomic void]

watching a lasgun exec stamnce veteran dominate the event

[tame lodge]

Yeah it peak exec stance + tac awareness

https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175

[atomic void]

i played around bro just to protect him and let him shoot

[warm juniper]

When veteran gets a rework (hopefully) what do yall think they should do with him?

[narrow frost]

Better talent pathing, less killing focus toughness, touch on stam eco

[warm juniper]

I think executioners stance needs reworked (because of arbites keystone executioner order). aside from that I just want him to be more ranged focused. better ammo economy better stamina eco for sure. I think his infiltrate ability should stay invisble while firing ranged weapons. marksmans focus need tuned up a bit and the movement penalty removed. Just a few things I would like to see personally.

[narrow frost]

Arby balance was a mistake

[mortal aspen]

#nerfvet

[narrow frost]

Bringing everything up to arby would ruin the game balance even more so

Bring everyone down in some aspects and up the underperforming

The engine literally can't handle the difficulty that can compete with arby....

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

[narrow frost]

Havoc

Stance just needs a damage reduction or toughness generation which it can get form a toughess talent change

From my main points

Less on kill toughness gen talents

Stealth has its role but bad pathing

[grand perch]

youre not mentioning the most important point.
rework focus target keystone so it gives you a buddy guardsman with a heavy bolter or autocannon that you use together in addition

[narrow frost]

Mmf is fine just needs to maintain stacks for the average player

[narrow frost]

Summons a space Marine

From my fav niche fantasy setting

Warhammer 40k

Omg

It's in the files

[mortal aspen]

just make Vet a necromancer sienna

give him a squad of goons

[warm juniper]

My main issue is vets core identity was almost just stolen by arbites

[narrow frost]

Every class identify was dissolved in patch 13

Every class can do everything

That was out the window years ago

[warm juniper]

Its less what vets role is and more just arbites has his weapon specialist but better. Execution order is execution stance but better. his ranged talents along with the shotgun eliminates the point in even bringing my plasma gun. arbites just made veteran to me feel like a worse version with much more tradeoffs. Maybe if he got nerfed I wouldnt see vet that way

[narrow frost]

Exactly what I said before

[grand perch]

arbys weapon specialist is a sad shadow of vet's

[narrow frost]

Arby should not be considered in balance, bring everything down and bring underperforming up

Working is off sorry am a bit tired

[midnight wyvern]

buff ogyrn

[narrow frost]

But this is the main point

Vet is fine

People complain cause they see what arby does

[midnight wyvern]

I still see ogryns die, class is underperforming

[narrow frost]

Vet was never nerfed in the past 2 years(?)

And now people think you can't win havoc with vet

[narrow frost]

Since survivalist I think

[grand perch]

i wouldnt call vet fine, when theres stuff like MMF and infiltrate that needs some overhauling desperately

[narrow frost]

Okay, yes

[narrow frost]

.

[grand perch]

fine would just imply nothing needs to be done. a better term would be...obsolescent design?

works like it did before, just going out of date