veteran-class

[turbid ibex]

I also didnt know that

[mortal aspen]

the funniest thing in this game is taunting a sniper

and watch him try to kick you from 100m away

[steep flower]

Simply because they have no melee thats why; once they get in a kissing distance (literally) they try to stab you with their bayonet

[steep flower]

Same goes for flamers & bombers

[turbid ibex]

I feel like the flame patch explosion is pretty minor

[steep flower]

Now you do; when you gonna play tauntgryn or shield with attention seeker you can utilize it and make them easier

[turbid ibex]

Like it doesnt really change how you engage with the enemy

[mortal aspen]

it does on ogryn

[turbid ibex]

Im talking about flamers

[mortal aspen]

alright

i agree then

shoot them in the nuts

problem solved

[steep flower]

It is exept for 1 situation; when your downed teammate is in such a patch of fire you can safely revive him/her; they won’t die (maybe take 10 - 20 dmg depending on their dr)

[turbid ibex]

And this still leaves gunners with pretty much no difference between the two types except for hp/armor

[turbid ibex]

Which one?

[steep flower]

Scabs are better visually due to lasgun

[steep flower]

Scab flamer

[turbid ibex]

I do feel like the actual flame attack should have different properties

[steep flower]

Dreg flamer works the same as regular fire = death

[turbid ibex]

Visually is the least relevant one

[steep flower]

I know that lasgun shooters do less dmg to toughness but more to hp; dunno if thats true to gunners

[turbid ibex]

Maybe it could just be tox flamer has smaller area but deals corruption

[steep flower]

If yes then there is your change; a very substantial one at that

[turbid ibex]

Like dreg bomber

[steep flower]

It would be cancerous

To deal with

Better not; we already have tox bombers

[sudden cedar]

Another reason for Beacon, is it not?

[grand perch]

Fuck tox bombers, all my homies hate tox bombers

If arby dog had a node "ignore everything but tox bombers and trappers", I'd take it

[sudden cedar]

I like how they yell "you can't hide forever" yet hide forever themselves.

[tame lodge]

💀

They are feeding you corruption
So you buy their medicine

[unreal nova]

Beacon...

[turbid ibex]

Or maybe one of them could have their flames linger for more time at the cost of something else

Idk

[turbid ibex]

Bacon...

[tame lodge]

No one's pathing to Bacon of Gluttony

[unreal nova]

Someone needs breakfast.

[pseudo fiber]

Suppressing the true cure (loner aura)

[unreal nova]

Nurglites do not respect the 2-5 m spacing.

[sudden cedar]

Loner is a joke of an aura that shouldn't even exist.

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-grenade-truth-nuke-gif-6248133608324632914

It should be a passive node at most

[mortal aspen]

Zealot also has a mini-loner talent

you'd never guess it from the description, but Fortitude in Fellowship works like Loner

[novel saddle]

It actively promotes selfish gameplay and makes people think that they're in a clutch montage

It should just be reworked to "you count as an additional squadmate in coherency"

Which also makes you count as always having an additional dude in your coherency

This would nerf the aura's original function, but it would also drastically improve its usefulness in teamplay

(Though anything above 0 is drastic lmao)

[narrow widget]

the average zealot exists in a perpetual state of clutch montages we just dont understand

[mortal aspen]

Coherency on its own doesn't do much anymore

counting as an extra guy in coherency as your aura is even more useless than Loner

I believe that Zealot has the shittiest toughness gen of all classes, so Loner is actually somewhat useful in case you get separated

[steep flower]

Its basically base aura for zealot that can stack with its upgraded version

So roughly 7,5 + 15%

for everyone

[steep flower]

Apart from killing stuff and abilities; yes; he has second wind tho which is arguably one of the most broken toughness gens in the game

[mortal aspen]

I disagree

waht the game counts as a "successful" dodge is beyond my human understanding

[steep flower]

Works through walls if you are being shot btw

[mortal aspen]

I tried dodging and taking no damage from gunners, I tried sprinting and taking no damage, while hearing whoosh sounds etc.
zero toughness gain

[steep flower]

Hide; let ranged shooters shoot at the wall where you are, dodge against the wall, profit

[mortal aspen]

it just doesn't fucking work 70% of the time

[steep flower]

On gunners it does not work that well

Shooters & melee tho

[atomic void]

pretty sure its not intended to work against gunners

but i could be wrong

it works pretty gud in melee

[steep flower]

Yeah like thats still a question

[mortal aspen]

it's still bad, imo.
if I push and enemy and prevent his attack - that also doesn't give me jack

I have to dodge

[steep flower]

Works on shooters thats for sure

[mortal aspen]

without charge, he just has nothing

[atomic void]

nah second wind goated

[mortal aspen]

You have toughness on dodge and uhh

[steep flower]

Its insane to have; i see it work and its a nice toughness bump

[atomic void]

zealot's toughness gen is kinda tailored around bro rampaging in melee

kill things reset your cooldown spam F get toughness

[mortal aspen]

Ogryn can hold M2 and get 12.5% per second xdd

[steep flower]

In short; you suck at killing = you suck = you die

[atomic void]

well yeah the new trees have way more and a lot more accessible stuff

[mortal aspen]

Vet has better gen too

[steep flower]

Even then some numbskulls dont take it

[mortal aspen]

Psyker has better toughness gen

idk, I'm not vibing with zealot

[steep flower]

Incomparable

How good vet gen is

[steep flower]

Zealot has the worst it is what it is

[novel saddle]

It's just silly how arbitrator's toughness generation is a direct upgrade to Zealot

[atomic void]

its ok zealot rework will make zealot busted too

[mortal aspen]

Vet gets constant ticks from killing specials and elites, and\or 5% from any kill

[novel saddle]

I lose my toughness, slap a motherfucker TWICE and I'm back to full

[narrow widget]

arbites toughness regen is literally just a direct upgrade to everyone

[mortal aspen]

and 5%\s when not hit in melee

AND shout

[atomic void]

i mean tbf zealot has no issues surviving if you're good with the class

and its not that hard to play him good cause he's just "fundmentals the class"

[novel saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/piss-nuke-piss-nuke-tutorial-truth-nuke-true-true-morgan-freeman-gif-1990497734463688507

[narrow widget]

i could give a monkey on a typewriter access to arbites and i guarantee you hed probably be able to survive an auric maelstrom

[atomic void]

maybe he falls off in high havoc but that's because high havoc is shieieieieit

[novel saddle]

Not targeted in melee, if an enemy swings at you it just stops. Still an upgrade over the old version where you had to have no enemies in a radius.

[novel saddle]

This class literally allowed my noob ass to get the no health damage achievement

[tame lodge]

CaB is not hit

targeted in melee is just Fatshark writing at its best

[novel saddle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1005881186763157635/1106978081014546462/cat_in_pot_verysad.gif

Thank you Sweden

[unreal nova]

You need to actually be hit. Just dance in melee while being shot.

You'll see.

Also, no blocking.

That counts as being hit.

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[novel saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/pain-phantom-the-the-phantom-pain-metallic-gear-poopy-gif-17171818497153652964

Do they even play their own fucking game

[unreal nova]

Last I saw, they play uprising and malice.

Also died in there.

[novel saddle]

Auric isn't even that hard

I mean sure I get knocked on my ass sometimes but it's not "holy shit I literally can't finish a single mission" hard

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower How nice of you. I know you meant me. I am sure.

[mortal aspen]

Damnation > H40

[narrow widget]

sedition >>>>

[novel saddle]

Sedition true solo knife punch only

Also we need an onslaught mode

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bpGHG.gif

[tame lodge]

Just saying
Tutorial got hands

[novel saddle]

Full build thunder hammer zealot (coughing baby) vs. one poxwalker (hydrogen bomb)

[red portal]

Ok one I bet on the zealot but with 2 pox walkers it gets very dicey.

[steep flower]

I mean; how are you always at Low HP

[sudden cedar]

It is by the God-Emperor's Will.

[steep flower]

…And 2 would martydom that you haven’t picked

[unreal nova]

2 hp gaming means you are at peak adrenaline.

Bonus, until death is down.

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

And i still charge into the crowd.

Only in death does duty end.

[novel saddle]

Just don't get hit lol

[sudden cedar]

(duh)

https://tenor.com/hBIGia4Sbja.gif

[tame lodge]

Damn
I wish it was this easy

Oh wait

It is

[sudden cedar]

It is that easy. Of a concept.

[crimson wyvern]

playing difficulty 1 for the first time in...

who knows how long

a very liminal out of body expierence i must say

[spice shard]

Difficulty 1 got removed pretty sure

yeah no more sedition

[grand perch]

welcome to liminal space, i'll be your guide

[turbid ibex]

Technically that means uprising is now difficulty 1

[novel saddle]

Uprising was borderline unplayable tbh

Let alone sedition

[plain osprey]

Funniest thing is that orthus offensive is gone (unless youre playing story mode)

[unreal nova]

It's for platforming bs.

[hollow ibex]

biggest mistake in the game

removing sedation

[crimson wyvern]

helping newbies out do the spireside-13 pennance that they didnt even know they needed to get done

I love just bringing up random pennances out my arse to get them slapped off their charts

that 5 second all batteries in one is a pain unless someone remembers

[crude fiber]

That was the last penance I needed to complete all of them before they added the trials thing

[plain osprey]

Still havent done fan-atic

[narrow widget]

ikr it's so hard I down like 15 times on average

[novel saddle]

Yeah from falling asleep

[narrow widget]

honk mimimi

[unreal nova]

ALL ledge deaths?

[sonic kayak]

Wow no need to flex your skills like that

[narrow widget]

those dang pox walkers!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-angry-grandpa-gif-14233249

[sonic kayak]

Poor man can barely survive, let alone get ledged

[crimson wyvern]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1mg6br5/any_tips_for_a_new_player/

This meme was so annoying to me and so perplexing its never left my brain 26 days later

[sudden cedar]

Lowest difficulty Darktide must be something else.

[covert fable]

A ghost town

[sudden cedar]

In fact, i know lowest difficulty Darktide because of my challenge runs.

When it was Sedition.

[covert fable]

Was the challenge finding an enemy?

[sudden cedar]

Permadeath.

[covert fable]

Jk

Ah

[unreal nova]

Is very hard to not walk off a bridge on sedation.

[sudden cedar]

Sedation. Yeah. Almost felt like that.

[faint beacon]

One could say, rent free

[red robin]

So vet mains

When do yall think next big update is coming?

Like rough estimated month or so based off previous content patterns

I pray to god it ain’t December

[crimson wyvern]

Probably next year now, I imagine our big update was Arbities

[faint beacon]

I don’t expect anything for Vet so I can’t be disappointed

My hope is simply rock bottom

[crimson wyvern]

I wouldn't hate a new map, feels like a long time since we had a new map

I said this the other day but they've left a lot of it for so long that the game just needs a bit of everything added.

Though that could just be a result of me playing way too much

[sly orchid]

Probs soon

2 major updates left

[faint beacon]

I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the major updates isn’t even content but just weapon rebalancing seeing a lot of players have been vocal about that

[hollow ibex]

vet nerfs 🥺

[faint beacon]

Arby buffs and Vet nerfs pretty pretty please 🙏

[sudden cedar]

Dueling Sword. Plasma Gun.

[crimson wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/skibi-di-gif-3127588730399978483

me the devil claws enjoyer watching the strongest weapon in the game get my gimmick

[sudden cedar]

[faint beacon]

DC being put to shame cause the knife variant now has its gimmick

[gritty mural]

oo fatshark please overtune a weapon and have redditors argue that said weapon is fine but everything else needs to be buffed

[crimson wyvern]

If I was in charge, dueling sword gets sent back to a psyker only weapon, refund the plasteel and diamantene that would have been expending in players inventories

problem solve

[umbral scaffold]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fbe57ad-731b-46f0-b69d-4900e548b1ff/support-veteran-15

[sudden cedar]

It wouldn't solve anything.

[umbral scaffold]

Sent this to someone else earlier but Support Veteran build :P

[sudden cedar]

You would create more negative backlash from Veterans and Zealots.

[faint beacon]

That and psykers would still abuse the shit out of it

They- really don’t need more powerful tools

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

[sharp epoch]

i would do that too its a easy balance fix

[crimson wyvern]

We don't care if psykers abuse the shit out of it though really, it was meant to be high risk and high reward

[sudden cedar]

It is not an easy balance fix.

And there was never a high risk high reward with psyker either.

[crimson wyvern]

Im gonna tell you this and you're going to hate me

but Psyker isnt the tank

hes very squishy

[sudden cedar]

Okay and?

[crimson wyvern]

and I know you're god-like and so are all your friends

[sharp epoch]

pskyer with ds atleast noone complainef about

[sudden cedar]

If we consider Auric and Havoc, you will avoid most of the damage.

[faint beacon]

It’s because they’re not running melee more

[sudden cedar]

What will get you is the Trapper, the Dog, the Fire, the Gas, the Poxburster or the Overhead that you don't see coming.

[tall torrent]

I don't think it's hard to nerf duelling sword

[faint beacon]

It’s because psykers primaries are already as good as their melees

[sudden cedar]

The Dueling Sword is a massive mobility weapon, enabling melee combat on every class that has it.

[sharp epoch]

even still fgs is better for a melee centric build

[faint beacon]

Crit + Empathic

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

Exactly.

[faint beacon]

Never take damage the build

Incredibly easy to build as well

[tall torrent]

remove dodge template override
raise carapace ADM for heavy stab/overhead atk
nerf uncanny down to max 20% across all weapons
nerf duelling sword's heavy stab atk's dmg to ~80% of what it is rn

[sudden cedar]

And when you take damage, its probably over anyway.

[crimson wyvern]

Is it just assumed psyker is immune to ranged here? I know he has the shield but I seldom see psykers take shield

[sudden cedar]

it is not the shield.

[crimson wyvern]

So the regen from quell ?

[sudden cedar]

Empathic Evasion is the key.

It makes ranged enemies ignore you on crits.

[tall torrent]

I think that'd be enough tbh

[faint beacon]

It would be seeing then knife is the more mobile option

[tall torrent]

that's just 4 nerfs

[crimson wyvern]

God I wish classes wern't held up by singular nodes sometimes.

[tall torrent]

tbh I don't think any weapon should have dodge template override

[faint beacon]

I mean that’s just veteran

And zealot

Didnt run iron will? Die

[crimson wyvern]

yup

[sharp epoch]

once ds gets nerfed zealots and vets just swap to knife tbh

[faint beacon]

Didnt run duelist? Goodbye a massive chunk of DPS

[sudden cedar]

I would still use the Dueling Sword for what it is.

[crimson wyvern]

Well everytime I suggest taking away DS crowd control capability but let it kill elites everyone gets in a huff too, so I dunno what to suggest if we dont take it away from vet and zealot

[faint beacon]

It’s cause it does it too well is the issue

[sudden cedar]

Because the weapon itself is nice, the idea that is.

[faint beacon]

Hence what path suggested is perfectly reasonable

[tall torrent]

I just sent a pretty reasonable nerf plan above

[frigid shuttle]

they'll just nerf both

[tall torrent]

knife also needs some changes tbh

[sharp epoch]

nah knife doesnt do half as well against armor like ds, and they havent touched knife in a long time

[crimson wyvern]

I think you'd create such big community fallout from that

[tall torrent]

why

it's not overboard even a tiny bit

[sharp epoch]

ds is busted on zealot and vet cause of their melee buffs and crit synergy on psyker its okay

[frigid shuttle]

nerf bad, buff good

also fatshark really doesn't have the goodwill to nerf anything right now

give decent content, then we can talk about nerfs

not carapace slop

[crimson wyvern]

The whole point people use DS is for the elite killing potential and one shotting everything, its literally why people want to use it

Also the people that use DS arn't spending time to help their team out by killing the trash mobs anyway, so it doesnt need the crowd control, atleast this way you incentivise to play their toxic playstyle and they need backup when they get crowded when they run into an elite horde

[tall torrent]

ok and what did I send that obliterates that

[crimson wyvern]

I've not crunched the numbers but if all these nerfs still allow you to kill a crusher in one then is this just so it does less boss damage?

[frigid shuttle]

if they nerf DS, then I just won't play vet at all, he has no other weapons I can enjoy or at least tolerate.

[sharp epoch]

vet didnt even have ds before...

[faint beacon]

You guys not realize that like

[frigid shuttle]

Yeah. I didn't play Vet before

[faint beacon]

Vet has a rending node

Uptime 100%

[frigid shuttle]

Well, if they fix power sword

to be like relic blade

[faint beacon]

And then desperado

[frigid shuttle]

then I could play that

[faint beacon]

And those alone dumpster a crushers HP

Even without blessings on a DS

[tall torrent]

should go from 3 hit crusher in havoc (2 in auric) to 4 hit (3 in damnation) with chance of going back to 3 hit if any 1 attack is crit weakspot

not sure why it's unreasonable

[faint beacon]

It hit takes around half a second or even shorter to land

[sharp epoch]

ds on vet is just a crutch, it's basically lets you ignore positioning and gets you out of any situation while being able to deal with elites

[faint beacon]

It’s not the end of the world

[faint beacon]

See I’m going to co-opt this and say pick up Taxe so you have something that has good mobility but not busted like Knife and DS

[tall torrent]

that's most likely a straight nerf to power sword

[faint beacon]

Besides turning overheads off with special is funny

[tall torrent]

anyone who understands why power sword is better than relic blade wouldn't want that

[frigid shuttle]

I don't care if it's better, I care if it's fun or not

[sharp epoch]

yeah please dont rework ps to relic blade

[faint beacon]

I hate how it plays

But it’s stronger

[frigid shuttle]

Power Sword is just tedious to play.

[crimson wyvern]

Yeah honestly I like power swords switch it on and kill it off playstyle over relics blade "oh boy were in the zo- aannnd now im coming down again"

[faint beacon]

Uptime is way longer than RB

and more it’s issue is off on PS is literally just abysmal dogshit don’t bother using it

[sharp epoch]

its good on auric but havoc the hordes are too dense to keep it up

[crimson wyvern]

Well I think the intention of the power sword was you're not using it all the time, you take it out to take out close range threats and switch back to the gun. I'd hate that thing if I had it out all the time

[tall torrent]

let's just say that's not been a thing in like 2y

[faint beacon]

This game demands melee gameplay

[sharp epoch]

vet gameplay in havoc is like 75% sword

[crimson wyvern]

Sorry I should have said I'm talking from Auric/Auric Maelstrom I didn't realize we were balancing for havoc 40

if were balancing for havoc 40 I was out of my depth

[faint beacon]

Pretty much

[tall torrent]

too bad FS is clearly balancing towards havoc

[faint beacon]

HISTG Auric will still have those scenarios

[sharp epoch]

1500/2500 here so like 60% actually

[crimson wyvern]

Yeah Havoc im sure, I'm not gonna argue on that

was in a Duo auric after all our teammates left, two vets, one dueling sword recon, and me power sword helbore, we died eventually but got mostly all the way through.

Obv eyeballing it but it was a lot of shooty, even with just us two

(that was this morning)

[sharp epoch]

Auric yeah you got a lot of room to shoot because of ammo, it's also safer for sure but takes longer then just mowing them down with a sword

Also power sword helbore seems like a very unwieldy build

[crimson wyvern]

I mean range is a thing, I can kill those 6 gunners faster than your sword when you gotta run all the way over there

And yeah its a bit zainy, I also dont use shout and use dumb piss highlight

[sharp epoch]

I've seen helbore users on havoc but they run ds >.>

still ds compliments helbore a lot better it's just your completely weak to hordes and you gotta rely on your team for hordeclear

[crimson wyvern]

sad that everyone just thinks you're RPing with it when you're outdoing people with it on scoreboard and people just think you're idleing

[tall torrent]

The amount of people that are completely ass vs mixed horde on veteran is a tragedy to behold

[sharp epoch]

krieg RPers usually run shovel helbore

[sudden cedar]

And die like Krieg RPers

[crimson wyvern]

I use to run it with DC but I got sick of using it, so use Power Sword with unarmoured, infested, cycler and uhhh slaughterer I think.

Just typing that I could feel the blood pressure of chat raising its great

[sharp epoch]

Yes, but some builds like helbore ds just can't which is fair it's a hyper specialized elite killer/boss killer build

[crimson wyvern]

but makes hordes a sinch

[sudden cedar]

Unarmored and Infested? Interesting.

https://tenor.com/bpGHG.gif

[atomic void]

turning a weapon on and off every few hits is not fun

shrimple as

[crimson wyvern]

4 hits horde is dead, back to shootin'

maybe another cycle if its a big one

(auric)

[tall torrent]

Efficiency is all

[atomic void]

sure in my job

[sharp epoch]

I like brutal momentum for hordeclear it's nice chopping the heads off cleanly in one swing

[atomic void]

not in vidya

ill take less efficent but more fun to use over an absolute chore

but deadly

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

No comment

Just don’t come up with veteran balance ideas any time soon

[crimson wyvern]

The way I see it, I don't need to be killing maulers or armoured targets with it when thats for the hellbore anyway. It just needs to kill chaff

In Havoc I know you never have ammo and its a different story everything is hell

[sharp epoch]

I think ps can one shot poxwalkers without the infested so I don't take that perk

same for groaners, I just take BM so the damage doesn't drop off

[crimson wyvern]

It feels like I sometimes need two hits or the cleave is bad or something, having that extra oomps I can just feel a difference of the horde being thinned out way faster than without it

im not crunching any numbers its all vibes for me

dont worry we know

I get it lol

[sharp epoch]

Try BM and aim for the heads and see which ones better, I used to run power cycler slaughterer too back in the old days of vet

[crimson wyvern]

yeah ill try!

[sharp epoch]

actually it was slaughterer sunderer, before they made PS only have one charge

[primal zealot]

power sword but it stays on

[tall torrent]

all the time? instant best melee in the game bar none

[primal zealot]

yea

obvi

[tall torrent]

sunder is the best for cleave

[primal zealot]

ran that one last night with plasma while v tired

went much better than expected

[sharp epoch]

I feel like sunder is wasted on the 6 because you just spam lights not heavies

[tall torrent]

u still get benefit

the cleave bonus is for all attacks

[sharp epoch]

I know but VALUE

[tall torrent]

and u get a new breakpoint from sunder

[primal zealot]

idk i made a point to use heavies to get the most out of it

[tall torrent]

heavy + light = dead mutant in h40

it's just barely above 6k on mutant if both weakspot

no extra buffs needed on a pretty standard build

[sharp epoch]

I think if I get lucky a crit weakspot stab oneshots muties

I forget if thats auric or havoc

[tall torrent]

sunder actually doesn't even lose out on horde clear that much vs BM

outside of bruisers

BM vs 50 pox around 8.5s
sunder vs 50 pox around 9s

and sunder is much better vs mixed horde

BM loses a ton of value when enemies take >2 hits to kill

[sharp epoch]

Rampaging enemies O_O

thats the bane of my existence on vet

[tall torrent]

nah even without orange

[sharp epoch]

also healing

[tall torrent]

rager in h40 is 3k health

that's 3~4 light atks to kill one

if u fight 3 at once ur not getting notable value out of BM for a while

sunder allows u to cleave like 11 dreg ragers 💀

stagger all 11

[sharp epoch]

if 11 ragers are rushing me I just accept death

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-staring-at-sun-dog-eyes-closed-dog-praying-ishowspeed-gif-16343393638929481316

[tall torrent]

like, in here, without sunder u can't hit the 4th rager

[faint beacon]

The humble push attack on certain melees

[tall torrent]

not enough cleave

[faint beacon]

Or PS existence

[sonic pecan]

heard the vet rework drops tomorrow

[tall torrent]

or 5 maulers

BM hits 1 and stops

sunder hits all 5, staggers all 5

sunder actually among best TTK vs mauler groups

super safe too

[sharp epoch]

I don't think the PS actually connects with all 4 on that clip at least but I know it can

[tall torrent]

sunder also doesn't lose single target vs BM much

only ~200 dmg on push atk vs carapace and unyielding

changes no breakpoint in good builds

[hybrid plover]

it's busted on psyker

it always has been

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

[hybrid plover]

The only reason why people think it was okay on psyker is because it was just on psyker. But honestly, psyker is the class that can be the most monstrous with it

[sharp epoch]

Against bruisers how well does it do?>

[tall torrent]

it's alr

depends on density

smaller pouches of enemies, nowhere close

super dense horde, not much worse

[sharp epoch]

Also psykers have like no melee defensive talents unlike zealot and veteran and barely any toughness regen

[hybrid plover]

Kinetic Deflection would like to have a word with you on that one.

And psykers can have absurd toughness regen. It's that their TDR is just innately shit.

[elder fiber]

idk having god dodge kinda minimizes the need for dr

[hybrid plover]

Scrier's Gaze with dueling sword and disrupt destiny pretty much puts the "cannon" part of glass cannon in full caps

The amount of damage you can do on a weakspot crit is hilarious

[sharp epoch]

If psyker DS builds were truly that strong we would see them played over DS melee zealot

[elder fiber]

so yeah its been busted since it got mega buffed on psyker

[hybrid plover]

Because it isn't as easy to use. But it can do far more damage than a zealot. Especially at its current state

That also means it isn't the most h40 friendly build but I've seen people make it work.

[sharp epoch]

I've really only seen FGS melee psykers do H40 well never a DS one

[faint beacon]

Boss HP go bye bye

[hybrid plover]

I recall a wicked dueling sword inferno psyker with scrier's.

I have never seen bonbons die so fast in h40

He was ballsy af

[upbeat horizon]

hello what is best shovel mark ? ❤️

[wise prairie]

My psyker woke the daemonhost and blamed it on me

Fucking witches i’m tellin you

[tall torrent]

1 / 7

[sudden cedar]

People can't take L's

[wise prairie]

Ruined a perfectly good maelstrom match over your own mistake

🫩

[fresh niche]

Get out of my miiiiinnnnddd

[red portal]

Leave them to die easy solution

Unless they dc

[sudden cedar]

FUCK those that disconnect themselves after angering a daemonhost

[red portal]

Had someone in this discord do it during an auric Maelstrom

Very not cool.

(We did kind of laugh at him for walking into it after being warned numerous times)

[sudden cedar]

Ultimate Heresy.

[primal zealot]

allowing a demonhost to live is heresy

[red portal]

It would have been fine if he didn't leave and knew how to block a demonhost we had mega boss damage on the team.

[midnight wyvern]

real

fuck those that see my name, see me say dont stagger in chat

and then wake it up and die to it

like

https://tenor.com/view/shutupman-brianhoyer-gif-18702527

[cursive lion]

Fuck people leaving the game in general

[sudden cedar]

I get it, sometimes it has to be done.

And the one of here and there i don't mind.

Things just happen sometimes.

But it is so excessive right now.

[honest elk]

i cannot look at this class without thinking of words of a very inspirational leader of the guard

[sudden cedar]

FIGHT! KILL! AND DO IT AGAIN!

Ah wait what?

[crimson wyvern]

this is a spicy take sadly even in this server. So many are like "oh wEll I OnLy LeaVe WhEn I KNOW its a LosT CauSe"

"MaYbe A BoT wiLL saaVE iT"

[honest elk]

how i view the veteran now thanks to my experience from other games

[austere mica]

I’ve never seen this sentiment

[honest elk]

"Spread word to the men. Tell them we win this day or we die trying! There is no retreat!"

-General Sturnn Dawn of War: Winter Assault

[midnight wyvern]

in my case I will literally kill it if they don't kill themselves to it in that exact way

if you get thrown into it, thats whatever

Burgled into it, cool

just

too many times

[red portal]

Have seen people do it when the last guy gets trapped.

At which point yeah it's 100% lost

[vale tundra]

i deadass had this happen

someone left when we were all down and the bot revived one of us

[crimson wyvern]

I dont want to be saved by the cheese, it makes the win feel cheap

i'd rather have died and got to leave the game quickly with everyone

[vale tundra]

it was funny for me

[crimson wyvern]

but 9 times out of 10 im now waiting extra for the bot to die, or even worse (When the servers were working)

Some poor fucker joins mid-game just in time to see the game over cutscene

its just plain out disrespectful to literally everybodies time

[vale tundra]

true, ive joined once when everyone is dead

it does suck

[crimson wyvern]

welcome to discord

[vale tundra]

dissapointing

[austere mica]

Most of these are nearly a year old

Well

Half

And clad is stupid

[crimson wyvern]

And attitudes as we all know have changed SOOO much since then.

Just give me one win Catachan please

its okay you can lose this once

[sudden cedar]

Devil's Claw?

[austere mica]

Not trying to argue that hard I’m just saying I legitimately haven’t noticed stuff like that

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[crimson wyvern]

😂 My eyes see text blurry on dark backgrounds with white text, apologies

no issues with black text on white

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[sudden cedar]

Heh.

Imagine being blinded by muzzle flash of stacked gunners.

@steep flower Right?

You can't see what you need to shoot.

[crimson wyvern]

is the best way i can describe it to people

[steep flower]

even in havoc helly is efficient in ammo

[crimson wyvern]

thats good to know

I take mine with no ammo usage on crits and +25% ammo also, Im that much adamant that I never wanna pick up any ammo

two wasted talent points but wygd

[steep flower]

time 2 change the name then

[steep flower]

i did not use shock trooper and it was still efficient

enough

[crimson wyvern]

sounds about right

ive been trying to embrace being more team based on my vet, so I've been enjoying taking the better kits node, and I feel like I have to take survivalist atleast if I aint taking shout as pennance for the zain

[sudden cedar]

The..what?

🤔

[crimson wyvern]

I regret to inform this group that it was yesterday years old that I realized that the highlight thing really is just for you unless you take the node that lets team mates see specials and elites for...5 seconds. I assumed that was just part of the ability and so long as you kept it up everyone was seeing elites and specials just not the ogryns/ranged enemies

[sudden cedar]

i get it, Field Improv, but.. that last bit of the sentence?

[crimson wyvern]

oh huh pennance in the non acheivement terms

punishment

[sudden cedar]

Yeah but.. what exactly do you want to say?

Not taking shout because of what?

[crimson wyvern]

not taking shout on veteran is seen as wild and provocative because you should always take shout so its zainy

[sudden cedar]

It is.. what?

I am really not familiar with that term.

[crimson wyvern]

i was spelling it wrong all this time

what do you know

[sudden cedar]

Aha.

Shout is an amazing ability, but at the same time, a crutch.

[crimson wyvern]

Highlight enemies would go so hard if it highlighted for everyone naturally and stayed active so long as you're killing every 5 seconds and remains active this way for everyone liek I thought it did

its hard to measure information advantage over numerical gold toughness and seeing the damage get soaked

feel like its saved a lot of my aurics as teammates I can visably see lining up shots on groups of gunners they now know are gonna be up there

[turbid ibex]

Its neat, but currently not really that worth it over the opportunity cost of not bringing shout

Would be nice if it was part of the base ability instead of requiring an extra point

[crimson wyvern]

for the players that have it all, that stay alive and need no team-mates. Highlight enemies seems like the pick surely?

[turbid ibex]

Nah

Nobody is immune to mistakes

You will eventually fuck something up no matter how good you are

And the safety net of gold toughness is absurd

Not to mention how it allows for playing a lot more recklessly

Specially for arbites and ogryn who have insane toughness regen

[crimson wyvern]

I still a surprising amount of stealth usage from vets and zealots in my games

I cant quite put into words the amount of extra shit you gotta deal with in those games

Hate having another persons horde to deal with

[turbid ibex]

Shroudfield is a good ability if used right

Infiltrate is ass though

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/too-bright-overwhelming-glow-make-it-stop-hurt-light-scream-reaction-gif-12475821297860780622

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flashbang-gif-25002731

[halcyon blaze]

Yeah I never touched it again after doing the penance for it.

[nocturne mulch]

Knife or Tac Axe with ES Helbore in H40?

[narrow frost]

Taxe

[cursive lion]

Its the same people that talk about not using stuff because its OP but the majority cant even carry with the OP stuff themselves anyways so idk what theyre on about

[hybrid plover]

a good rule of thumb when playing havoc

if someone deliberately asks for a veteran to run survivalist, it's a bad sign

[red portal]

Still Def prefer vets to be running survivalist but I don't think I would even waste the energy to point it out or force them to change.

[hybrid plover]

I entertained it with an ogryn who was pretty insistent about it

somehow used half their rumbler ammo in the first 10% of the map

[red portal]

Oh lord.

I could understand it if you get like 4 monstrosities

But if not wth was he smoking

[hybrid plover]

Nope.

Just regular ass mobs

[red portal]

Dude you have taunt and bully club use them FFS.

[hybrid plover]

He asked for a redo and I said "brother you gotta learn how to use your melee weapon" and left

[red portal]

Like I won't say I haven't used my rumbler ammo up in record time but in my defense when you get 2 chaos spawns and a burgle at the same time conserving ammo ain't on the top of my list of priorities

But the regular chaff enemies should all die to bully club

Rumbler should be conserved for armoured elite packs/gunners otherwise.

[narrow widget]

rumbler should be buffed to unimaginable degrees

it should set my PC on fire the second I launch a nade

[nocturne mulch]

But you get free ammo.....? How tf do you even run out? Maybe not using lucky bullet

[red portal]

True

[red portal]

Not using melee like at all.

[primal zealot]

the same ones who talk about x y or z build/weapon/ability making 40 a cakewalk yet havent cleared 25

i see this kinda talk from ppl who find auric too spicy

[fossil tinsel]

For the deadeye penance does highlighted targets mean pinged enemies or when they have the red effect around them from an ability

[primal zealot]

i would imagine pinged

since the red effect comes from ogryn taunt

[fossil tinsel]

That sucks

Probably going to be a lot easier than long bomb

[primal zealot]

long bomb was suprisingly easy

think i did it at the very end of smelter complex from the valkyrie

could probably also do it from the elevator to the last room on that map

[narrow widget]

there's one map where right at the start there's a huge drop that can get you the penance really easily

I forgo which

[primal zealot]

hmmmmm

dark communion ?

[narrow widget]

I don't think it was dark communion

[halcyon blaze]

Hab Dreyko

[narrow widget]

yea hab dreyko

[novel saddle]

Reddit gonna Reddit

[cursive lion]

its always "auric survivor" in random maelstrom missions to be first down

[hollow ibex]

i mean.... they're ASS

[covert fable]

so I'm not the only one who has this theory

[novel saddle]

It's not a theory, It's an observation

The more eager they are to wear the auric survivor title, the more they believe that it was an unsurmountable challenge

[red portal]

I will wear it just to fuck with people ( I have true survivor for reference.)

[covert fable]

If it was just me noticing it once or twice, it is an observation

[novel saddle]

Two is a small sample size, but there's a reason why most of the playerbase views auric survivors the same way

Stereotypes don't appear out of nowhere

[covert fable]

mmm

Precisely - sample size matters? That's why calling it a theory makes sense 🤓

I am nerding out

[uneven ember]

shit i went down on auric i won't get the title
reads that it means dies
BigBardynNog Has Left The Game

[novel saddle]

People who leave after getting downed once are a blight upon the Imperium

[uneven ember]

i 100% agree but i've had a couple auric games where the game just crashes to desktop and won't let me rejoin

and i am mad

[novel saddle]

Luckily for me the game only ever crashes after I finish a mission

I haven't had a mid-mission crash in ages

[uneven ember]

i had a game the other night where it was auric event and i threw a grenade as a dougless arbiter and blew up a poxburster and killed a leaping hound and the game crashed and i restarted but there was no option to rejoin

i was sad

"would you like to copy paste the crash event"
girl you should copy and send it regardless

[novel saddle]

The game couldn’t handle your aura

[uneven ember]

i just wish i hadn't wasted my dog joke on veteran before arbites came out

who outside of finland knows about hopeanuoli

[grand perch]

No one, there's only Finland

It is... The final land

[uneven ember]

perkele...

[steep flower]

or something better than the club (overrated btw)

[steep flower]

it is the land of the snow elves

[tropic notch]

How does relentless strikes work again

I’m debating using it or decimatior

Actually what is the cleave profile on the mk4 tac axe

I might just run shred

[grand perch]

I prefer decimator over relentless, simply because i don't have to keep hitting the same target. One accidental strike of another target, bonus gone with rel

[grand perch]

You mean the damage profile?

Wish there was an easy way to look those up

[tropic notch]

Alright yeah that’s what I thought that would happen

I was just making sure it didn’t carry over to another target

[tropic notch]

The cleave on its lights

So now I’m debating between shred and decimator

[grand perch]

Iirc its 1.5 on lights for mark IV. So no cleaving poxwalkers, only groaners

[tropic notch]

It’s 3 cleave

Guh

[grand perch]

I'd have to look in the guide again

[tropic notch]

I was looking at paths steam guide

[grand perch]

Don't use 4 much

Yeah, that's correct then

[tropic notch]

This has the info

[tall torrent]

It’s 6:14

I can’t fall asleep

And I’m hungry

[grand perch]

So two pox walkers and 1 on havoc

[tall torrent]

But it’s all dark and I can’t cook

[tropic notch]

Guh

Yeah on havoc what’s that like

3 poxwalkers?

Would it just be better to run shred?

[tall torrent]

I wanna make tteokbokki

Or spaghetti

[tropic notch]

He wants to make the meal

[tall torrent]

Or smth

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-meal-bruhmoment-robustar-funny-gif-20116727

[tall torrent]

Which class

Vet?

Or arb

[tropic notch]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

Uh

[tropic notch]

Vet

[tall torrent]

Tbh I think tac axe is just a budget melee

It lowkey doesn’t matter that much

[tropic notch]

I was going crazy with the mk4 using shred

[tall torrent]

It’s basically only good because u don’t need a dedicated spec for it to work

[tropic notch]

How much would decimatior increase is cleave by?

[tall torrent]

Not anywhere near enough to be relevant

[tropic notch]

It seems like shred would be better then

[grand perch]

1 pox walker has 4,05 hit mass in havoc
1,5 x 2,7

[tall torrent]

I don’t think cleaving 1 extra poxwalker even matters in havoc

[tropic notch]

I mean the knife in havoc hits 3 poxwalkers

[tall torrent]

It’s always about cleaving elites

Which u will cleave none

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1025525686494035998/1398806968969461944/image0.gif

[tall torrent]

Lowest mass elite is 4

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1025525686494035998/1398806968969461944/image0.gif

[tall torrent]

But they have at least 1500 hp

And even if u cleave through the attack angle isn’t great for hitting multiple in weakspot

It’s literally just a budget melee lol

[tropic notch]

I was using the mk4 tac axe with dbarrel and it was fucking

Twas fun

[tall torrent]

A lot of things can be fun

[tropic notch]

Watch him say but they can’t be good

[tall torrent]

If you’re dedicated enough, semi-regular CBT can be fun for you too

[tropic notch]

See

I’m going screen shot dis

Another path banger

Wanted to play vet melee

Didn’t wanna use the ps

Mk7 has a big ttk

[grand perch]

Did we just go from tac axe to genital torture

Go to bed bath

[tropic notch]

Mk4 gives me what I want

[tall torrent]

I didn’t say using tac axe was CBT

[tropic notch]

Do you pluck the hairs

[grand perch]

You're not the same when you're sleephungry

[grand perch]

Don't tell anyone but this is my favourite tac axe build for maelstrom
https://youtu.be/3sVrNs5AVcs?si=vS-3L_qfYU8dkc_N

[tall torrent]

I wish vet had >1 good melee weapon

[tropic notch]

Yeah looks like I should go back to the mk7

[tall torrent]

Maybe they’ll give us 1 more by the end of this year

[grand perch]

(plot twist it's crusher)

[tropic notch]

Power dagger

Or power axe

Remove weapon caps

Uh

Give him better passive toughness

Less tax

You know I hope with the zealot rework we get a vet rework too

[turbid oracle]

I just had a dream where I had a better volley fire veteran build than I've ever had in real life.

I must attempt to make this build.

I apparently don't even have a catachan sword on veteran which is how I survived the 2 DH until I woke up, but the volley fire build was able to mag dump a BoN to death with IaG in 2 mags without dropping the ability form the front

[sudden cedar]

Must have been one mad dream

[turbid oracle]

The build I made has smoke grenades in it because they didn't show up in the dream, perfect.

[sudden cedar]

Smokes are nice

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/calavera-fumando-gif-26172337

[turbid oracle]

Does melee speed effect the parry at all?

[midnight wyvern]

VF only goes for like 5s so I dunno how you would've dumped 2 mags lol

[steep flower]

it was a dream; read with understanding

[steep flower]

thats a crazy dream; well the dmg is unrealistic BUT... GL

[true garden]

It came to him in a dream

Fill in the blank
(Blank) stands

[turbid oracle]

Dream

I thought that too even

[sonic kayak]

Laspistol maybe?

[turbid oracle]

Well the catachan sword kinda just fucks on DH, but I built it to do so.

[turbid oracle]

My brain defintely remebered a raking fire volley fire time though

[midnight wyvern]

keep yourself safe

[steep flower]

You 2 brudda

[forest turret]

Did they happen to nerf the speed of the dueling sword?

[sudden cedar]

No.

They did not do anything yet.

[plain osprey]

I am redoing almost every single melee weapon on my vet.

Whats the heavy swords dumpstat?

And what Mark is the best and what blessings and perks should i have on it?

[unreal nova]

Def dump but is all I really know about it.

[turbid ibex]

Chances are its mobility

[plain osprey]

@steep flower dumpstat of heavy sword aswell as ideal blessings, perks and mark?

[plain osprey]

Doesnt have a Mobility stat

[void dragon]

People panicking as they can't dump mobility on their weapon

[plain osprey]

I mean, once easy mode is turned off shit gets uncomfortable

[steep flower]

Defence dump
Wrath & Headtaker is a classic reliable & honestly best despite other blessings that could work with it
Maniac & Flak
Mk VI is best
Mk IX is acceptable
Mk VII is worst due to moveset (first heavy is a swipe)

[hollow ibex]

why would you take wrath over brumentum

[steep flower]

cause its more reliable for cleave

[hollow ibex]

not a good tradeoff

when brumetum already gives a lot more cleave and also damage

[steep flower]

when i see bruhmentum on Hsword i know mah boi is just gonna use heavy att and that ain't bueno; lights are also good and bruhmentum ain't doing that much cause lights do little dmg but cover alot of space

[steep flower]

not in havoc; wrath & headtaker str increase gives you more reliable to stack cleave & you won't hit 100% of the time the head

[hollow ibex]

the lights hardly do any damage

it's the heavies that carry hsword

[void dragon]

Lights are good? I know they stagger a lil, but the damage with lights alone is quite low

[steep flower]

they are there to stagger & control if the mass becomes too spread out around you & not giving yous pace to use heavies

[hollow ibex]

why not push

[steep flower]

try it with VI with wrath & headtaker

[hollow ibex]

more effective, doesn't force you to take a lower damage blessing

[steep flower]

push att is dogshit for horde clear on Hsword and its distance is short too; VI has a downward swing similar to Mk I shovel while the rest have a stab

[hollow ibex]

push, not push attack

[steep flower]

its risky cause it does not cover alot of space; when you move your camera while light spamming you can cover more & stagger more

[hollow ibex]

well it's a 360 stagger, prob does more stagger than lights, and lets you take the way better blessing, though obv costs stam

idk whatever

[steep flower]

usually you'll have to double push to stagger the mass that attacks you & the one that is about to attack to generate space

[hollow ibex]

brumentum is objectively the better blessing if we're talking about aurics

[steep flower]

so you can use heavy att

[hollow ibex]

and i don't even know if the original question was for a havoc or auric hsword

[steep flower]

thats the point; IF we consider auric but in the end; wrath & headtaker give better results due to it working up+ auric which is havoc

[steep flower]

i always talk from a perspective of havoc; if it works in havoc it works in auric

[hollow ibex]

except brumentum is still better in auric

and prob better in most havocs too

[void dragon]

Isn't the mk7 ok with those blessings that work on hitting multiple enemies? Since you will swing horizontally and lean on the quite respectable horde clear of the weapon family

[plain osprey]

@steep flower since i am redoing almost all my weapons rn, imma ask you peu a peu about them If thats right with you, along the next 30 mins

[steep flower]

everything works in auric

[hollow ibex]

everything works

but some work better than others

[muted gorge]

wouldnt it be really funny if silksong just comes out and its bad, just absolute dogshit

[void dragon]

Agree, if even Twinstubbers work on it, everything does

[steep flower]

thats why wrath & headtaker will make you better vs chaf which you'll need on that weapon cause thats the purpose you'll be taking it in the first place

[void dragon]

Don't say heresy here mate

[plain osprey]

Alright, cadian chainsword, same questions as with the heavy swords. Pls enlighten me

[muted gorge]

its not gonna be bad dont worry

[steep flower]

don't praise the day before sundown

it can be bad

[muted gorge]

at the very least we're gonna get hollow knight but with different abilities and movement

[void dragon]

I shall bet for it being bad so we get GotY (I never win a bet)

[muted gorge]

so its gonna at least be good

[steep flower]

despite the fact twin links shred in havoc too but you need a build for it

and other variables are in order to consider

[ocean idol]

What ranged weapon you think fits the most for commando vet? i.e. infiltration?

[void dragon]

Oh you can make it work, but is NOT good, believe me

[plain osprey]

@steep flower hate to rip you out of that discussion, but i need the same Intel on the cadian chainsword

Pls

[void dragon]

I have tried the weapon FAR and WIDE

[steep flower]

it is good i came up with the build originally that is pog in havoc

[turbid ibex]

shotguns prob

[hollow ibex]

except brumentum will still give you higher dps against hordes, with the exception of perhaps if you're fighting nothing but poxxers the entire game for whatever reason

[turbid ibex]

but infiltrate is a pretty bad ability compared to executioner and specially shout

[steep flower]

dps wise probably yes; but your cleave is inconsistent and you don't wanna have inconsistencies; thats why wrath is taken cause you gonna be blind or flailing to miss in a horde situation to reset it

[hollow ibex]

it's not inconsistent

[void dragon]

Nah, weapon bad, you just god

[hollow ibex]

unless you can't hit heads, or aren't using heavies?

[plain osprey]

Weapon good, you just bad

[steep flower]

poor craftsman blames their tools

[plain osprey]

[steep flower]

[plain osprey]

Blessings and perks in cadian chainsword pls

[steep flower]

if you want a build i can send ya

[void dragon]

Would appreciate you sharing a screenshot of your wisdom

[sudden cedar]

[void dragon]

Also, HOW DARE YOU GOOD SIR? *slap you with orgy size gloves

[sudden cedar]

He's right tho.

[void dragon]

I know, still

[hollow ibex]

nah, sometimes it's the tools

[void dragon]

In this case I do believe so, but I'm willing to learn

[plain osprey]

Btw blessings for rashadd are brutal momentum and decapitator, right?

Perks carapace and unyielding?

[hollow ibex]

brumentum headtaker

[steep flower]

Mobility dump
Bloodletter & Wrath is best; Shred is second best if you can get any form of cleave but usually apart from arby you'll get none reliable so wrath it is; also chainsword despite having finesse stat is not really a great crit weapon... multi is just 1.1x while shockmauls have 1.15 for comparrison
Unyielding always, Flak (unless you play arby then its Carapace)
Both marks are good if you know how to utilize the moveset but Mk IV is safer to use & potentially give you better DPS due to you being able to finish your rev faster rather than canceling it to avoid a hit (Mk XIIIg just like chainaxe XII have 1 extra tick of shredding and that is enough for ti to not make it safe when you'll be in a crowd situation not to mention your heavy att has a noticable windup that is longer than the one on Mk IV)

[steep flower]

cope

[hollow ibex]

idk what to tell you brah, some tools are much worse than others

[steep flower]

but they are still usable no? and your build buffs their effectiveness to make them shine

[covert fable]

Meet the shovel

jk

[hollow ibex]

prob but you just start requiring specific builds and setups

[steep flower]

arent all specific? apart from key talents that are always included? bruh

[ocean idol]

What ranged weapon you think fits the most for commando vet? i.e. when using infiltration?

[steep flower]

This is H40 twin link talent tree build that was field tested numerous times by your trully

[plain osprey]

Thx mate
I know i am asking for alot but can i have the same Input for:

The two shock mauls

The tax axe

The combat knife

The power sword

The shovels

Chain axes

And the Devils claw

Pls?

You dont need to write an Essay, i Trust your words. Just the ideal MK, the ideal blessings and perks pls.

But only If you want to

[void dragon]

Either laspistol for mobility or DB shotgun for blasting baby faces

[plain osprey]

Like i said earlier; i am redoing ALL my vet's weapons because NONE were optimized

But you dont have to

I'll figure it out myself If needs be

[hollow ibex]

no? i mean power sword works on every build

chord? i wouldn't take it unless it's on a very specific build

[steep flower]

it does but sometimes you should not be taking it due to its limitations; there can be better options for more 'utility' tier reasons

same goes for DS

or Knife

or Caxe

[steep flower]

i will send ya info in the dms

[plain osprey]

Thx mate. Youre a ruby 🥰

[steep flower]

love rubies; love minerals in general

[void dragon]

Light company decided that I shall not play for a while, but once it's back online I shall try it (what blessings/perks you use on the twinks? And is there a melee preference?)

[steep flower]

[plain osprey]

Based

[steep flower]

was about to send that gimme a solid

[steep flower]

[void dragon]

Thanks mate, you are as much a hero of the Imperium as Ciaphas Cain

[covert fable]

darktide dictionary

[steep flower]

A taste of the power of the build (void shield has 50% dr vs ranged btw)
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/9509955877354989866/23608C4307F0B9EDEE332284E0B21BC03DEDD89E/

[steep flower]

Vs Twins
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/16214650971741680551/32F0CEFC5982ABDE516ECE8D099024D07F18B113/

[void dragon]

We take damage over fire for the rending or other reason?

[steep flower]

if you take fire you lose to crushers

[void dragon]

Yeah, so rending is vital

[steep flower]

Simple showcase (Auric)
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/10359682418320282707/5FBF655F99979F52625CA9BE8DE7AA952D9F3688/

[sudden cedar]

Braced Autogun against Carapace on Veteran. Yes or No?

(duh)

[steep flower]

ONSLAUGHT

[void dragon]

With onslaught? Graia can kick them, otherwise NO

[sudden cedar]

Just curious. Seeing a Veteran pling a Mauler to death is..uhm..

Yeah.

[hollow ibex]

at least maulers have flak bodies

[plain osprey]

I have an autopistol build that kills crushers by giving them concussive brain bleed. About 3/4ths of a magazine per crusher

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/eDL5YbcApSR.gif

[tropic notch]

@faint beacon what do you prefer on the mk4 tac axe? Shred or decimatior?

[faint beacon]

Shred?

[tropic notch]

Yah

[covert fable]

Why not decimator?

[faint beacon]

Easier BP on bruisers

[turbid ibex]

decimator immediately goes to 0 as soon as you stop attacking iirc

[covert fable]

BP?

[faint beacon]

Breakpoint

[covert fable]

Ohh

[faint beacon]

You have to Crit to kill a bruiser

[covert fable]

I see, thanks

[unreal nova]

Or miss.

[turbid ibex]

damn

[covert fable]

This must be a ping problem?

[unreal nova]

No, just miss a swing. It's just extra special for me with lag. You can treat it as 1 stack at most. XD

[covert fable]

lolll

better stay away from relentless strikes

[hollow ibex]

Relentless strikes isn’t too bad honestly

Stacks way faster than deci

I can’t stand deci

[covert fable]

does you lose stacks if you miss?

[tropic notch]

Does it stay after attack something else?

[covert fable]

No

Single target

[hollow ibex]

Idr but it’s typically not an issue because it’s meant for crushers and bosses

And stacks twice as fast as deci?

[covert fable]

It stacks 5 times

"Relentless Strikes
4-10% Strength for 2s on Hit (Same Enemy). Stacks 5 times"

[muted peak]

Wanted to experience what voc sounds like on loosecannon vet, made a character and stuck on malice for 30 mission

Couldnt even get voc

Cursed character

[midnight wyvern]

yeah decimator stacks to 10 for also 50%

[hollow ibex]

Yeh

Though in general I’m not huge on either blessing

[unreal nova]

Eh? Can't win for XP?

[mortal aspen]

can't you just spend 100k to try it out and change back if you have to?

seems less frustrating than going through malice

[unreal nova]

If they only played low diff. It's like 7 wins to change.

You get 7-9k on heresy from memory.

[minor stump]

there's a breakpoint on plasma's thermal resistance that lets you get however many shots in a row before overheating, right? and ideally whatever stats are left over get dumped to charge rate?

[hollow ibex]

yeah 8 shots

[minor stump]

pre-answered my follow up, thank you lol

[hollow ibex]

yeh np, hopefully vet guide will be done soon so we can just link people to it

[unreal nova]

68 is the minmax, but is a gamble. 69 is guaranteed.

[halcyon blaze]

I currently have a 70 charge 70 thermal resist, which is not ideal but good enough until I get the godroll one.

1-2% difference in fire delay probably isn't that noticable either.

[hollow ibex]

good enough

i spent 2.5m and that's the best i got lol

and plasma will likely be reworked at some point

which would prob change the ideal stats anyway sooooo

[steep flower]

plasma pistol the same one captains use on us would be pog

[minor stump]

somehow i had 67 stuck in my head (came back sorta recently after a break). must have originally learned it as >67 or something. in any event, good to hear my "good enough" 69 thermal resist is actually on point lol

[halcyon blaze]

Yeah, this one I just found on sale in Brunt's regular store so I nabbed it, holding off on hunting the technical god roll one in case the godroll stat changes after rework.

[turbid ibex]

tbh unless they change which stats you can roll its going to be a 50/50 on whether charge rate or thermal resistance becomes the dump stat

cause out of the other 3 two are directly affecting damage and the other is ammo

[true garden]

Dump stat meaning the same as it means in fallout context I guessing

[turbid ibex]

dump stat is the bar you want to have 60% max on your weapon so the other 4 bars can have 80%

[true garden]

So yes

[turbid ibex]

ok someone please tell me this isnt right

why the fuck does the ilas have the same mobility stats as a fucking bolter

[ocean idol]

Then what melee to go together with it? Chsword?

[void dragon]

Veteran doesn't have many options for melee, at least not that perform great, PSword is always good, stuff like Rashad and Taxe are also good option since you will get some melee. Buffs along the way. And of course knife and DS will do wonders because they are knife and evil toothpick.

Forgot to mention that you could also use the Bolter, is somewhat clunky weapon but you can use stealth to be safe between magdumps or take a good angle to clean gunner squads uncontested.

Imo Chsword is garbo, but I'm not an expert

[ocean idol]

nah, newer one is great horde cleaner

[hollow ibex]

the problem with chord isn't horde clear

it's... everything else

[crimson wyvern]

just doubel checking

this doesnt refresh if I refresh it via kills?

it will only ever be 5 seconds

(for them)

[tall torrent]

Should refresh

[steep flower]

or better; just use tactical reload

[faint beacon]

That node would be actually good if it also refreshed the vets Executioner stance but at a reduced time

It’s basically a bait node

[steep flower]

its outdated but not garbage

[steep flower]

it has some use in darkness/vent purge modes for your team; very niche tho

[faint beacon]

Doing it paired with smokes is cool also but like they just need to give it incentive to actually pick up cause if you can’t kill the specials faster than your team can everyone loses out on the highlight

Basically shooting your self in the foot by being selfless which sucks

[muted peak]

Yeah, thats what I'm most surprised at, I can complete auric with my professional vet but cant complete malice with my loosecannon vet

Like, I get the worst stroke of luck when I play malice with her, for example one time when I was alone and the other player was down, one poxburster exploded and sent me down from the third floor on false intelligence mission, later bots revived us and psyker completed the mission all by himself, after completing one poxburster killed him when he was going to evac

I get 2 fleshbags one after another even if the team has 2 bots etc.

[muted peak]

Nah I can't my prof vet was the first character I have ever done

I have personal bonds with him

I also need to buy skins

[ocean idol]

i start to think that lasgun is not bad at all

just normal infantry lasgun

[muted peak]

My honest reaction when I see 2 fleshbags in consecutive order:

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-limbus-company-ricardo-the-middle-gif-7709803166138573443

[muted peak]

Lasgun is not bad tho

Especially infantry lasgun mark 2b

[ocean idol]

yeah , that game with 2 b. Surprisingly good against hordes, and one-shots on headshot most elites

may be 2 shots, but with its fire rate it might as well be 5-shots

Gotta be really good with headshotting though

[faint beacon]

It’s mainly because it’s not easy to hit BPs with it usually needing a follow up shot

[void dragon]

to be fair, all Veterans is on a certain degree of outdated

[void dragon]

amen, i use that in all build that use the Bolter

[steep flower]

Zealot

[tall torrent]

no it's a bunch of other things

[void dragon]

also outdated

[tall torrent]

damage is just 1 part of the problem

[muted peak]

What elites are you killing with lasgun?

Except dreg ragers and maulers its not adviseable

[faint beacon]

The glaring issue is also extreme weakness to being suppressed

Holy

One of many

At least

[upper prism]

only one good lasgun is recon lasgun

[faint beacon]

Helbore:

[hybrid plover]

The humble Helbore has made its entrance.

[faint beacon]

Plasma side grade

[hybrid plover]

And laspistol also isn't bad at all.

[muted peak]

Add imo in your sentence, for example I hate recon

[faint beacon]

It’s alright

Not my cup of tea

[upper prism]

laspistol is half decent yea

[hybrid plover]

I think it's more of a psyker weapon than anything to be honest.

[faint beacon]

Force push

[hybrid plover]

It just feels the best on that class.

[faint beacon]

It absolutely is

It’s okay on Zealot and Vet

[hybrid plover]

That and the insane movement you get while just firing at everything.

[faint beacon]

But psyker makes it work better

[hybrid plover]

On scrier's

It's so dumb.

[crimson wyvern]

i finally have the isignia

[hybrid plover]

Oh and it frequently procing EE.

So you're immune to gunfire as well.

[ocean idol]

No. At least not 2b. Its fire rate so great you just ignore suppression

[void dragon]

psyker can generate tons of crit rate on command, and the Laspistol LOVES critting

[hybrid plover]

It's not even just that.

[ocean idol]

vet can also have good crits though

[hybrid plover]

Its finesse in general is just very significant.