veteran-class

[hybrid plover]

was this on 40

[sudden cedar]

No it was just Auric Maelstrom or Event.

Not important.

[hybrid plover]

Oh.

[sudden cedar]

But come on.

[hybrid plover]

They just might not know about that med station honestly lmao

[unreal nova]

It's fairly hidden.

[hybrid plover]

You'd be surprised how many people i run into in aurics that don't know that med station is actually there.

Yeah it's surprisingly easy to miss.

[unreal nova]

All the other niches are empty.

[sudden cedar]

I am actually not surprised because i see them do weird stuff like that all the time

Once i got healed with 2 med stims while having no corruption.

By two people.

[hybrid plover]

See this is the one case where I actually get it because it took a few games for me to know it was there

[sudden cedar]

Independent from each other.

[hybrid plover]

It's just in a really inconspicuous spot.

[red portal]

Wouldn't be surprised if randos would stim you as Marty zealot while still half health sometimes.

[unreal nova]

Look, they at least used it, RIGHT?

[native ocean]

that's funny when it happens but doesn't happen nearly often enough for me to annoyed about it

[hybrid plover]

Basically looks the same as all the other rooms and yet it's angled in a way where you can easily miss it too so you may not run into it or know its there until someone that does know its there uses it.

[native ocean]

last week I had a zealot on a CIVI auric mael spamming I NEED AMMO emote for 3/4s of a mission before suddenly leaving

I laughed my ass off

[unreal nova]

Bonus if someone double dips all the time, lul.

[sudden cedar]

That happens all the time, always funny.

[hybrid plover]

Someone doing this tio me on a h40 the other day

[red portal]

But you don't understand he needs that ammo very much.

[sudden cedar]

Rumblergryn spamming that rumbler at the beginning and leave the moment they have no ammo left.

[hybrid plover]

Like we were fine and all but why doe

[sudden cedar]

Or rather, become really bad because their all-killing weapon does not function anymore and they don't know what to do.

[hybrid plover]

And then they leave.

[red portal]

Got to top up your Marty zealot so they can conserve their until death /s

[hybrid plover]

It's actually funny.

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bpGHG.gif

[hybrid plover]

Because ironically it actually makes it easier for me to proc until death.

The whole gimmick is utilizing the tdr and golden toughness from chorus to make it really hard to actually take health damage by staying low.

It's a risky system.

But it works.

[red portal]

Do you use the crit cd or do you just deal with having insanely high book cd?

[native ocean]

I also just cannot get mad at rumblergryns

[hybrid plover]

Pious Cutthroat

Any backstab kills you get cuts your CD by 10s

[sudden cedar]

Why not get mad?

[native ocean]

they just soak up so much damage, they're actually useful

[hybrid plover]

And it is very easy to do.

[red portal]

I'm kinda tempted to do Marty book with tac axe tbh.

[hybrid plover]

That was my first havoc 40 win lol

Just push, dodge to get behind enemies, hit enemies in back

Chorus.

Rinse and repeat.

[native ocean]

when havoc 1.0 released I grinded my way from 1 to 27 and got the entire set by playing infil shredder frag vet with csword and boltgun

my wrist got really sore

all with randoms too

[hybrid plover]

The tricky part, honestly

Is getting your health low without actually procing until death at first

[unreal nova]

Doesn't work on 300+ping though.

[hybrid plover]

I'd imagine. 😔

[unreal nova]

Things are questionably angled at that ping.

The server sees WAY differently than you.

[native ocean]

yeah, the game just becomes turbodog to play at that ping

[sudden cedar]

Rubberbanding is a lot of fun.

[native ocean]

I love playing with my US friend on NA east and just watching all my attack animations spazz out

[unreal nova]

This is normal.

[red portal]

The game starts getting unplayable for me in the 150-180 ms range.

[unreal nova]

I'm not sure if I'm hitting or not at times.

[red portal]

100-120 is fine

[native ocean]

yeah that's unplayable for me

so I very much prefer playing on my own server

[unreal nova]

All I know is, PANIC IS BEST PANIC HARDER YES.

[hybrid plover]

I still recall that h40 i did on 200+ ping with papa

[sudden cedar]

For you it might.

I prefer to stay calm.

[hybrid plover]

I felt like I was seasoned into a better player through that hellish experience.

[red portal]

Doing havoc 40's with people who should not be doing havoc 40's certainly does make you better at surviving.

[unreal nova]

I mean, throw in 300 ping on top of technically should not be in h40.

[unreal nova]

You just trauma congaline yourself into derping lower diffs.

[red portal]

Like I mean the amount of arbites who will get mutie grabbed and just fucking die instantly is so funny to me.

Like come on you're playing the class with an immortality button

You should not be dying first.

[unreal nova]

300 ping, enjoy dodging.

??? The game.

[red portal]

True

[hybrid plover]

The arbites that run straight into a ritual when no one is ready to take it on, including themselves so they aggro the casters and let the daemonhost spawn and sabotage the game basically

Very funny stuff.

[unreal nova]

Also, maybe they took mp3 player.

_>

<_<

[red portal]

No they were castigator

That time at least.

[unreal nova]

I'm more joking about my horrible build.

[red portal]

Lol

DJ arbites in the house.

[hybrid plover]

the mp3 player is good tho

[fossil creek]

listening to a rusty screwdriver hitting a pipe organ while I purge heretics

[unreal nova]

I watched an oggy 2 shot.

[fossil creek]

The darktide experience

[unreal nova]

Book into mp3 funni.

[red portal]

It's so funny when the psyker blows themselves up for the 6th time that game...

Really makes you appreciate the warp.

[azure narwhal]

Jesper kyd has peak tracks

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-grenade-truth-nuke-gif-6248133608324632914

[sudden cedar]

@hybrid plover Not just Arbitrators who do this.

[turbid ibex]

I legit pogged when i saw volume 4 released on spotify

[crimson wyvern]

true level 100's join chasm lagastratum, go the wrong way at the strat and climb up ladder again after 5 minutes of looking around, continue with mission, immediately die

what are these squads

[sudden cedar]

Feels like POV: You are playing the event and people are too stupid to handle poxbursters

[unreal nova]

They just casti face is their shield them.

[sudden cedar]

Bad idea.

[native ocean]

it's been like this since arbites released

so many ragequitters

[unreal nova]

Pubs don't care. They can eat the congaline without dying.

[steep flower]

Zealot abuse

[grand perch]

Mommy med stim knows what's good for you

[sudden cedar]

bUt mY pAiN

[red portal]

Med stims for zealots are like water for cats.

[sudden cedar]

I always gravitate toward my health equilibrium. Low.

[steep flower]

Thats what @sudden cedar is doing and its great

[grand perch]

Tac axe + anything is great can't change my mind

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Unless i run a stupid weapon called Devil's Claw.

and pling pling pling away at Crushers.

[native ocean]

one of the most fun melees in game

[turbid ibex]

I dislike martyrdom cause its the only reason for wound curios to exist

[steep flower]

I had similar experience and it was a russian too with an ego; wonder if its the same guy

[red portal]

17 toughness + 2 wound curios Vs 3 wound curios is a hard choice.

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower It wasn't the one that rushed ahead and got your team wiped was it?

[steep flower]

I value nuncio way better than casti in every regard cause i know casti will not be able to do anything for the team when the time comes cause how selfish the ability is

[steep flower]

Exactly that one

[turbid ibex]

If we're keeping martyrdom scaling with wounds just remove wound curios from the game and just let martyrdom grant +3 wounds itself idk

[sudden cedar]

God-Emperor grant me strength, i have been a witness of this.

[red portal]

Most havoc 40 party finder teammates are interesting to say the least.

You get like the havoc 20 clearance vet and fresh 30's applying.

Some people don't even have all their gear yellowed.

[steep flower]

Some are gems tho like they are good players but either get refused or get dogshit butt snivlers who dunno how 2 play

[red portal]

Yeah I have played good party finders.

[steep flower]

And thus they stay in those clearances

[red portal]

Was with a group were we cleared 40 second try.

My assignment is 40 so I don't care about losing anymore

I will just take anyone into 40's after warning them that they will in fact not have fun.

[sonic kayak]

I had a guy at like clearance 20 actually thank me for accepting him and letting him try H40 last night

I told him "generally I don't care for level and build, I just like 1 of each class"

Only exception is Arby, I have never been in a situation that made me go "Man, I wish we had an Arby"

Most of them are selfish or over-reliant on the dog anyways

Some Chorus Zealots too who think they carry the whole game because of their poorly placed Chorus

[crimson wyvern]

i really hope we start getting leaving penalties, its my firm belief its because everyone thinks the servers are crap and they DC all the time that they shouldnt do it

I promise you theres a way for the server to tell the difference between a DC and a ragequitter

Theres just so many ways you can do so

[sonic kayak]

Well, there is, for Havoc

[mortal aspen]

just let people actually join ongoing games again

[sudden cedar]

Some Arbitrators are good. Most are not.

[unreal nova]

Is for colourblind ppl. Stupid forced effects.

[sudden cedar]

??

[turbid ibex]

What

[grand perch]

shock mine + lone wolf + forceful arbys have been quite good for my teams

[unreal nova]

Excuse me. My 300 ping means dog will somehow outdamage me.

[fossil creek]

I like the impact grenades

Theyre pretty good

[sudden cedar]

Not somehow. The dog is just not limited by ping.

[unreal nova]

Final wound effect, it literally blinds me if nobody pings or I'm not on EO Arby.

[sudden cedar]

Weak.

[carmine cradle]

Do magical attacks only nullify physical resistance? Or also projectile resistance?

[sudden cedar]

Magical attacks?

[grand perch]

lightning bolt!
lightning bolt!

[sudden cedar]

Physical resistance? Projectile Resistance?

Almost sounds like you are playing the wrong game.

[carmine cradle]

oh boy, wrong discord

feels like i went to school without pants on

[sudden cedar]

Sounds like Warhammer Total War.

[carmine cradle]

indeed it was

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

Magical Attacks should bypass resistances.

[carmine cradle]

cool cool :p

[sudden cedar]

What you are looking for is Magic Resistance or some such.

Alternatively, Ward Save will reduce all incoming damage by that amount.

[sonic kayak]

Sure, I mean I've had a decent Arby here and there, but nothing that made me feel the lack of one on the team

[midnight wyvern]

they do

[sonic kayak]

No need to be humble Karien, c'mon, everyone knows you're the best player in the server

[midnight wyvern]

[unreal nova]

Stop lying. This isn't gaslight mains!!!

[sudden cedar]

🤔

[unreal nova]

Don't listen to Gaslight mains.

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/honestly-quite-incredible-drinking-water-underwater-cool-gif-22285702

Does gaslight mains mean anything in this specific context or

[native ocean]

yeah every enemy of Karien is a gaslight main

since she is the lone electrical light main of this server

[sonic kayak]

She's the hamster wheel that keeps the game running

Emperor bless her

[void dragon]

the lights out levels happen when she takes a vacation

[native ocean]

indeed

[plain osprey]

Anyone can tell me If the special attack on the heavy swords is worth a damn? Because to me or seems slow, underpowered and clunky, often getting me hit while i use it.

[clear lantern]

🎶 *I'm your only friend I'm not your only friend But I'm a little glowing friend But really I'm not actually your friend But I am.*🎶

[sudden cedar]

No more Blight Spreads.

[narrow frost]

carapace damage

[tame lodge]

Don't worry

[normal bay]

Can stagger ragers and is a useful strikedown combo with H1 on the IX variant

Tricky to aim though

[tame lodge]

It'll come back soon

The Blight always come back

[narrow frost]

special has higher ADMs iirc

and a good moveset reseter

[steep flower]

Its oof

[steep flower]

Better block cancel

[plain osprey]

My thoughts exactly

It feels clunky

[steep flower]

Windup needs to be faster for it to be good

[steep flower]

Man now i won’t have a reason to pester you to use bacon of purity chef

[sudden cedar]

I can still use it if you ask nicely.

🔨

[grand perch]

see thats what i thought initially but special into h1 is the better cara damage loop than BCing. its like 200 dps difference

tested on mk IX with barely any melee talents

[narrow frost]

h1 special loop makes it perfect for cara and unyield

I think it works for all marks

[steep flower]

But then one should ask themselves
why would you ever try to do carapace dmg on a heavy sword

[narrow frost]

cause its a melee weapon

which means you should be using it all the time to conserve ammo

ranged should never be the only way you can deal with cara

[sly orchid]

Real!

[steep flower]

Even when i use boltgun ammo to kill crushers i don’t run out and i do use hsword with it for lighter targets

[sly orchid]

Bolter taxe vet my beloved

[steep flower]

Sometimes it is and its still good

[sudden cedar]

Don't worry, i use the Devil's Claw against Carapace too.

[steep flower]

You atleast use the heaviest mark of it; still does laughable dmg

[sudden cedar]

Yeah. Unfortunately.

It is.. pathetic

I like heavy weapons.

🔨

Give me a Power Glaive or Power Halberd. Please.

[sly orchid]

I wish vet had a heavy melee weapon

Like a powerfist

[grand perch]

i run heavy sword on a flavour build with ilas, relying on kraks for "quick" armor disposal

you end up needing h1 into heavy loop quite a bit

cause, y'know, just 2 kraks

[void dragon]

a power fist paired with a sale of cosmetics that looks like commisair attire would net Obesefish so much money

[grand perch]

wouldnt hold my breath for it

[void dragon]

knowing Obesefish? yeah

[sly orchid]

We shall see

[grand perch]

inb4 it comes next patch, but arby exclusive

[sly orchid]

I dont think vet is just getting new marks

[void dragon]

the arby needs their stubber first, give the power fist to ogryn

[sly orchid]

Probs entirely new weapons alongside either a vet or zealot rework

[narrow frost]

remember our vet havoc video rebel

Hsword gaming

that was fun

[grand perch]

sure do

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1379348195368505404/1383674399663722496/head.mp4?ex=68afe434&is=68ae92b4&hm=9065fe6bfdd4ceb6baeda32f4db294cf4ecded777955d5cb78cd40c11ed6df08&

chop

[void dragon]

Hsword is quite solid of a weapon tbh feels so good to decapitate a mutie with a single swing

[narrow frost]

lol

[sly orchid]

Live isis execution

[grand perch]

ainzis*

[slow spade]

brb sending a bulwark patrol at you

[unreal nova]

Situation where 4 frags gud.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/fun-fun-begins-star-wars-skywalker-gif-18356472

[faint beacon]

That’s Powersword

I’m so fucking in denial of anything for Vet at this point I just expect things for the other classes instead of vet so I can never be disappointed

[tall torrent]

I think next 2 content drops this year are new weapons and new map

[faint beacon]

Not for Vet though 🚬

Can’t be disappointed if I simply refuse to believe it’s for the class

[tall torrent]

nah it's prob 1 melee & 1 ranged for vet

that's my guess

[faint beacon]

Monkey paw curls

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/carribean-reef-shark-shark-reef-shark-shark-petting-shark-pet-gif-10964636892674200451

[faint beacon]

It’s for Arby

[grand perch]

no hurt mr shark

[tall torrent]

doubt it

[faint beacon]

Knowing them they’d probably make it a split between the two

[tall torrent]

and tbh vet needs more good weapons, not more weapons

I wouldn't mind if smth got gigabuffed to be good

[faint beacon]

Buff the outdated weapons even though I like them being weaker which then makes me improve at the game

Can think of 3 immediately that could use tweaks

[tall torrent]

if ur only thinking of 3 ur not being imaginative enough

[faint beacon]

Ilas, Vigils, Chords

I know there’s more

[tall torrent]

it's really more like 20+

[faint beacon]

Those are like the immediate 3 I can think of

[turbid ibex]

chaxes?

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t mind if they buffed chainaxe so much it could stand to compete vs power sword

[void dragon]

iLas, shredder, Brautos, Vigil, Chainweapons, (i still think) C.Shotguns (need more buff)

[narrow frost]

shredder is fine

[tall torrent]

At this point when everything new is balanced for havoc I don’t care if everything has to be balanced towards that

[narrow frost]

shotgun are fine

well

agri and Dbarrela re

[void dragon]

shredder is worse than Inf Autogun

[tall torrent]

Nah can use more

[void dragon]

in EVERY way

[narrow frost]

no?>

[tall torrent]

No

[narrow frost]

mobility reload speed

stagger

suppression

[tall torrent]

Inf auto does legit zero stagger on things u actually care about

[void dragon]

they are not more mobile, but yeah, their stagger is significant, i forgot

[tall torrent]

It is more mobile

[void dragon]

how so?, the dodge profiles iirc are the same, and the "run while shooting" feels quite redundant while slide shooting is a thing

[tall torrent]

U move much faster when u shoot
And it doesn’t have nearly as much move speed penalty when bracing

Most ADS weapons drop to ~2m/s move speed when u press m2 to ADS

Gotta have that tactical milsim experience in a horde shooter

[faint beacon]

Zarona is okay but it’s competing against Agri, and Acca is probably the only shotgun I think needs exclusive Mk buffs of the 3 imo

[void dragon]

how much is the drop of mobility if you are ADS while slide dodging?

[turbid ibex]

what exectly makes those two not as good as the agri?

[tall torrent]

Inconsistent damage over range

[narrow frost]

and ammo count a bit

dont the others have less then 100

[tall torrent]

Nah just inconsistent damage over range

[narrow frost]

fair

[tall torrent]

Ammo is largely fine if they actually could 1 tap things

[void dragon]

imagine the Acca with the slug shot of the agri

[tall torrent]

Still ass

[void dragon]

damnit Path, nothing you really are the grim in my dark

[faint beacon]

It’s use is insane suppression or DOT shells but like

Think about that in a Auric and Havoc match

How useful is that generally?

Not much lmao

[tall torrent]

It’s not even good DOT

[void dragon]

would want the regular shots to be relevant without the special, it still bugs me that the fire shot does no damage

[slow spade]

honestly I wish it fired the stun shells from the arbites exterminator shotgun

[void dragon]

even if it does DoT

[slow spade]

those things stun for like 10 seconds

surely someone will kill them right 🥺

[unreal nova]

It's +6 more more budget shock mines.

[faint beacon]

They really need to make it a special type of incin or something

[void dragon]

the trapper reloading happily in the middle of my team as it shots another net and no one cares while she reloads another net

[faint beacon]

Zarona if you can aim at the head is a good pick but again it’s competing with Agri

[void dragon]

-she is next to my ogryn

[faint beacon]

Which can snipe

Acca?

[tall torrent]

No it just needs to actually apply enough stacks quick enough to do real damage

[slow spade]

I'll take it :p

[faint beacon]

The fuck does Acca do

[slow spade]

poor Accatran

[tall torrent]

Gaslighting (physical)

[unreal nova]

Quack?

[faint beacon]

It’s fun when you’re EXCLUSIVELY CLOSE RANGE

but then like

Agri

DB

Lmao

[tall torrent]

In which case u can hit most things within 2s with ur melee

[unreal nova]

It's the duckbill one, right?

[tall torrent]

Which does somewhere like 2x to 12x its dps

[void dragon]

kill a reaper with fire in 3 shots, taking ages for it (its quite bad, but at least its supressed as well as everything around it)

[unreal nova]

Oh, the fire one.

[void dragon]

yeah, still mad that the fire shell does 0 damage

like WHY?!!!

[unreal nova]

Because it clearly blows hot steam at everything, right?

[turbid ibex]

overly cautious balancing

in this instance

[faint beacon]

I’m just saying if the exterm shells can hit like a truck

Fuck it we ball and buff the DOT on Acca shells

[void dragon]

meanwhile Arby with shock shells that can actually kill

MorbidlyobeseShrimp moment

[unreal nova]

Instant uhhh... what's burn cap again?

[faint beacon]

16

[tall torrent]

Because those are the exact same damage as base shots

[faint beacon]

I was thinking 12

[unreal nova]

Instant 16 stacks.

[tall torrent]

Not enough

[tall torrent]

10 💀

Up to 6 per shot

And it’s 0.45 stack per pellet hit

[unreal nova]

Just insta max stacks.

[tall torrent]

Therefore u have to actually hit high pellets to stack it decently well

And u need to shoot twice to reach max

[faint beacon]

Fatshark hates its most loyal acca CS users

[unreal nova]

Yeah, me balancing gud. Just 1 pellet max stack

[void dragon]

twice? i thought you need to hit trice for max fire stacks

[tall torrent]

That’s ok I hate them too

100% of them are gaslighting themselves

Thereby preventing any real change to the weapon to make it good

[void dragon]

hey, i used that darned thing and can point that the weapon is still kinda garbo

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bpGHG.gif

[unreal nova]

Agri only good one. Other two I keep confusing which is which so herp.

[void dragon]

agri is the slug, acca is the fire one and the zarona idk what its niche is

[unreal nova]

Quack shots. I think.

So the budget shock mine exe shottie standard shot

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/daffy-duck-looney-tunes-daffy-duck-machine-gun-daffy-duck-yelling-looney-tunes-war-gif-6501537207623436268

[faint beacon]

Duckbill shots

[turbid ibex]

with way less damage

[faint beacon]

It’s literally just aim head level at a horde and delete it

[unreal nova]

We all knew that part.

[formal ice]

Dump stat for Lasgun Sniper Rifle

[sudden cedar]

Mobility.

[formal ice]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[sudden cedar]

Is it not? My bad then?

[plain shore]

can someone help me make my vat build better?

[orchid hemlock]

Sure but I might roast it 😈

[plain shore]

heheheh xd sure

[void dragon]

@formal ice @sudden cedar the dump stat for Helbore Lasgun is Stability

[plain shore]

so i know it may not be the best option but i wanna build that is the most caidian pew pew build like the best that those weapons and abilities can do

[grand perch]

weak spot damage perk

death sentence

[orchid hemlock]

weak spot damage perk is the second worst stat in the game

[plain shore]

damnnn

[tall torrent]

Nah

[orchid hemlock]

both SE and SR is overkill, replace one with something else

I personally would go gunner resist but that is because i spam havocs

[orchid hemlock]

oh true, wounds exists 😈

[plain shore]

you got idea or suggestions for some options to change to?

[orchid hemlock]

i said gunner resist

[plain shore]

is it strong overall or just good for havocs?

[orchid hemlock]

i think at least 2 is good overall

i just dont think any other enemy in the game is that threatening

[covert fable]

You must do as orcks says or watch your back in the waters

[plain shore]

oh hell ya i aint playing

[orchid hemlock]

im not sure what is going on here just take the middle nodeand you get 2 points

[covert fable]

Is the top right and top middle tree better than the top left?

[grand perch]

yes

[orchid hemlock]

top left has ET but in general yeah there is very little reason to take it

longshot is ass since it requires the target to be very far away to get the value out of it

[covert fable]

What does this node offer?

[orchid hemlock]

stamina regen delay

[plain shore]

10 tdr

[orchid hemlock]

oh wait that is the left one

[covert fable]

That is the one next to it

[orchid hemlock]

stamina regen delay if you can have it is one of the best talents for vet

[slow spade]

sad middle tree noises

[orchid hemlock]

its not exactly 'required" but one of Vet's biggest problem is their stamina

[plain shore]

XDDD

[covert fable]

Exe stance is nice

[plain shore]

did not know

[plain shore]

ya i love it its very comfy

[covert fable]

What guns do you use

[sudden cedar]

@void dragon @formal ice Oh i guess i misstook the weapon you meant for the Infantry Lasgun.

[orchid hemlock]

not nec their staimna, their stamina regen delay is the worst in the game

[covert fable]

Well gun*

[plain shore]

i use the lasgun i know there are better options but rule of cool

[orchid hemlock]

you also dont take demo team, which is prob one of the best nodes in the entire tree for vet

[covert fable]

You may try this sili shit build

[orchid hemlock]

if it was something like DS u then take the top middle path

[plain shore]

its perfect for the PS

and the keystone is fine right?

[orchid hemlock]

MF is prob the worst keystone in the entire tree for vet

[covert fable]

Click head's and you win

[orchid hemlock]

unfortuantly, Vet doesn't have many good keystones

[plain shore]

fudge

changing it will help the build?

[tall torrent]

Vet has 2 good keystones and ur not using either of them

[orchid hemlock]

Ilas I feel like benefits the most with WS

you can also take rashad instead of PS with this

[covert fable]

I think ws offers a lot of flexibility melee wise

Well, going down the bottom right side

[orchid hemlock]

also since ILAS is very ammo efficient you dont need to take survival with it

[plain shore]

ya since the crit hit also help right

the shock trooper

[orchid hemlock]

even without it, ilas is one of the most ammo effecient guns in the game

you dont need to change anything, im just saying that in case you want to take kraks instead of frags for some reason

[plain shore]

mmmm aight and for weapons perks ?

and bless

[orchid hemlock]

for the ilas?

[plain shore]

bc i have here weak point

so maybe carapace?

[orchid hemlock]

for PS i take cara/maniac but I think for the breakpoints outside of havoc it is elite/maniac

for ilas its flak/maniac

for blessings, HH is fine, DA is good but I prefer Ghost

also, the dump for PS is cleave targets, not mobility

[plain shore]

oh snap

i thought almost all weapons are mob dump

i see i got alot to learn

[orchid hemlock]

Mobility it fine as a dump, but cleave target is basically useless on the PS

[azure narwhal]

Yeah, depends on the weapon, but in this case it's a good idea because PS is not exactly king of mobility

And well ps is stupid

You don't need cleave when 2 powered up lights demolish hordes

[plain shore]

well i thougt i need higher cleave for the special

so its special cleaving reggardles of cleave

[void dragon]

the special gives you all the cleave you need, and the cleave stat doesnt increase it in a meaningful way

[plain shore]

oh ok got it

[void dragon]

so you are better dumping that, since the weapon itself is slow so you want mobility

[plain shore]

aight thats look much better imma test those stuff

thx alot guys ^^

and incase i wanna take krak this is the route?

[orchid hemlock]

u dont need to take kraks if you dont want to

[plain shore]

oh ok but kark is better dps or the bleed is better or it has other uses

[orchid hemlock]

frag is an AOE cc and wave clearing tool

krak is mostly for nuking bosses or taking out annoying enemies like bullwalks quickly

[sonic kayak]

Frags are also stagger tools

[plain shore]

mmmmmm

[sonic kayak]

Freeing someone from a mutie or boss

As well as interrupting armor

(besides VoC)

[orchid hemlock]

frags generally are more useful for more situations, since the ability to cc enemies is very useful in all scenarios

[plain shore]

oh snap imma need to test this i did not know it can free teammate

[orchid hemlock]

but krak really helps nuke bosses

[plain shore]

i see so ya imma keep the frags sound more useful overall

dope 🔥

[void dragon]

sadly not only the lack of cc, but the unreliability of the kraks make them kinda annoying to use, vet commonly will run either frags or smoke most of the time

[plain shore]

gotcha ^^

[hybrid plover]

Frags are more generally useful. Kraks can be useful but are limited by their number and their explosion radius not being great. Smokes are much more useful in Havoc than anything else.

[plain shore]

damn most be a must in havoc then

btw in my setup is it better for curios to drop sprint eff for the DRG and keep the stamina regen bc vat have problem with stamina correct me if im wrong

[void dragon]

Vet has THE worse stamina ever

[orchid hemlock]

SE i would argue is better, because the regen isn't neccisarly the problem, it is the regen delay

the majority of stamina lost on vet is them running

[void dragon]

its quite crazy, specially considering that you would expect the psyker to be the ashmatic one

[plain shore]

yaaaa

xddd

[orchid hemlock]

also, when vet is a 0% stamina they only move at 50% normal speed

[plain shore]

ouchhh

thats a no no

so sprint eff is like the best bandaid for that

[orchid hemlock]

SR i think would be much better if Vet didn't have poopie stamina regen delay

i dont know why fatshark gave them such a long timer

[void dragon]

becasue they hate us (and at some point it feels that they wanted to make stamina management while gunning a really powerful part of the class, but it was never correctly implemented)

[plain shore]

i never notice that but its such a good thing to know no like

i was jsut fooling around and now i see it in game like how slogish he is bc the delay

[mortal aspen]

vet has like 10 nodes that give him stamina from doing X

[plain shore]

:^:

[mortal aspen]

but I don't want to use any of them, it feels wrong

[orchid hemlock]

Vet versus Zel

[mortal aspen]

more taxes

[orchid hemlock]

actually has asthma

[hollow ibex]

Vet has never done a single minute of cardio in his life

[plain shore]

and the main curio blessing is good like 2 max tough and 1 max stamina

[orchid hemlock]

but why is the delay soo long, I dont get it

we already have the worst regen and depletion

and sprint modifier

[orchid hemlock]

i dont think it is "required" for vet to have a stam curio, because we dont have the worst base stamina in the game

[void dragon]

kinda why it feels that it was something planed but not well implemented

[orchid hemlock]

vet is also not really a class that spams push attacks that much or resets combos

but the stamina is nice to have for the other problems

[plain shore]

i mainly do that clip attack with special and push for single targets

with PS

[void dragon]

Vet needs stamina for PS push attack,

and some weapons like shovel or Taxe too

[plain shore]

by the way off topic dose the Taxe is like what the use for its special ? i know that with two heavies it have pircing for the carapace (i think XD) and it swing very fast but the special is for flavor or it has uses i missed

[void dragon]

Taxe push attack - [heavy2 -light] is a good horde combo, paired with bromentum can cleave hordes with relative ease

[narrow frost]

insanely fast and high stagger, can stop crushers and mutants

[void dragon]

and its attacks with crits deal a fair ammount of damage on most things caparace included

the special damage is fine but its stagger potential can stop muties, a rare feat

[narrow frost]

this is mk4 using the special

[void dragon]

and 2 specials combo into a heavy strikedown

so that can set up stagger and execute on many elites

the weapon has it all you need for crit builds

[plain shore]

damnnn i must try it on the arbi

i been sleeping on it for ages

[void dragon]

if the Vet can make it work the Pay2Vet class can absolutely trive with it

[plain shore]

did it was always this good?

[void dragon]

it was recently buffed

[narrow frost]

but it was always this good

[void dragon]

with that damage on caparace iirc

[plain shore]

lol that carked me xdddd

[narrow frost]

movespeed while attacking and special damage was the only thing buffed recently

[void dragon]

but many other aspects are still the same, still solid

[plain shore]

i feel bad that i judged it like bc it look plain simpale next to blaze sword and DS

[void dragon]

i meeeeeean

everything looks lame when we factor DS

because the evil toothpick thing is beyond busted

[plain shore]

xdddd evil toothpick

must be a creation of papa nurgle himself

[void dragon]

best dodges across all game, great single target damage, goated uncanny strike

it was def made with a chaos god offering

[plain shore]

its very comfy melee i mainly play it on psyker and ya it really sweet

[void dragon]

i only used it once on psyker, i decimated hordes with light spam when the weapon weakness suposedly is that

never again

it can develope some odd bad habits when fighting in melee

[plain shore]

oh never thought on that this way

[void dragon]

its just that it is on its own league

that's how broken it is

[plain shore]

damn

nerf incoming?

[void dragon]

idk, not only its ObeseFish we are talking about, there was a leak of non-official nerfs and people rioted

[plain shore]

hmmm

[void dragon]

(bunch of sissies)

[plain shore]

well i dont know FS that good like folks here and some friends

i mainly strated here and also build like the love for 40k then went vermin

i know its unholy but this is how i got here

[void dragon]

FS operates in ice age to release content, so its hard to tell when they will make meaningful changes like nerfing the ogryn rumbler

[hybrid plover]

me with two delay nodes and a mk6 knife

:B

[plain shore]

ohhh ya this thing is vile i can snip with it like im controlling the fragments

[orchid hemlock]

mk6 knife gang rise up

[plain shore]

le sad 🙁 heheh ya it suck i guess they slow

[hybrid plover]

i was on the mk3 grind

but that's only cuz it worked with the hot shot bug particularly well

and now that's gone

😔

thanks fatshark for making a blessing that was used like, some of the time on a weapon that was used, some of the time

to now never ever again

[plain shore]

btw where is the train mission? (sorry for being out of loop)

[void dragon]

what you mean "where"? the mission display show a rotation of the mission, so it has a chance to show there with some luck (it was live a while ago just now)

[plain shore]

damn i must be blind or unlucky XDD

[void dragon]

otherwise idk what access of the hivecity it was the combat ground for it

[plain shore]

you dam right i guess i was unlucky

[tropic halo]

Mission rotation is quite fast since the update

[severe jolt]

currently using this build for laughs
it has insane DPS as long as you keep clicking heads with short bursts

up to 20% base damage from longshot
+15% base damage from kill zone
+25% damage and +25% weakspot damage from exec stance
+30% weakspot damage from precision strikes
+25% crit chance as long as you have stamina from deadshot
+15% damage against elites from superiority complex
+20% weakspot strength for 10s on combat ability use from marksman
+10% base damage for 5s on combat ability use from for the emperor
two +5% ranged damage nodes
up to 112.5% finesse strength from marksman's focus(15 max stacks with the long range assassin subnode)
weapon blessings give +20% damage and +50% weakspot damage on 2nd, 3rd and 4th shot in a salvo
also
enough CDR to keep spamming combat ability
keystone subnode that replenishes stamina on weakspot kills to keep deadshot active
toughness replenishment on both elite kills and weakspot kills
still enough points left to take demo team for grenade replenishment
it all just stacks up quite nicely

[red portal]

How does the turret build work on higher than auric difficulity

[severe jolt]

well it doesn't, at all, because pubbies will just kick you if you play vet and aren't bringing VoC

but maelstroms, it does fine

[hollow ibex]

rashad without trench fighter 🤮

can you even hit bruiser one shot breakpoints with that build?

[sharp epoch]

that build will probably suffer because of the armor spam of high havoc, it has no way to deal with crushers and flak ragers rushing you

[faint beacon]

Ignoring the elephant

Address it

[severe jolt]

well that's true
havoc plays a lot differently from the normal missions

[sharp epoch]

@severe jolt oh yeah have you got to 40 again after the reset

[severe jolt]

I'm still recovering from a wrist injury so I'm intentionally limiting my game time and the difficulty I play at. It's getting better every week though.

[narrow widget]

longshit spotted?

[hybrid plover]

long shot

😔

[severe jolt]

call it a point tax but it gets you to exhilarating takedown which is a really good node

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. True. You make a good point there.

[severe jolt]

and the whole point of that build is just to keep hitting weakspots
any half-way decent shooter can make it work

[hybrid plover]

I have to say

Having two delay nodes in general makes vet so comfy for melee.

[hollow ibex]

really good node

is actually just mid

[red portal]

What is the range needed for the max DMG from it anyways

[narrow frost]

45?

it starts at 12.5m being 1% damage increase

lmao

[hybrid plover]

Okay real talk, it's actually a pretty good node.

Very easy to proc it

It's just gated by an awful node.

I could see reason for it being in certain builds had it been placed differently in the tree.

[red portal]

That is abysmal

1% should start at like 3-4 meters and it should cap at like 20.

Didn't know it was that bad

[hybrid plover]

Oh also

[void dragon]

It's TERRIBLE considering how cqc most encounters are in the game

[faint beacon]

its called Longshit for a reason

[hybrid plover]

Multiple veterans with smoke.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[red portal]

Gotta be in a different zip code from the enemy to get any bonuses from it.

[hollow ibex]

the main problem is that vet can usually only afford one of the toughness regen nodes up top

[hybrid plover]

Did a h40 with another smoke vet. I love having the ranged twin be completely fucking useless.

[narrow widget]

yeah he shouldn't be able to afford any

nerf him harder

smh

[faint beacon]

Truth nuke

can we get another arby buff in chat

[hybrid plover]

Ya. It would be more picked if it weren't for how the tree works out on top tbh

[narrow widget]

can we get reverted to bleedsplosion

[faint beacon]

^^^^^

[red portal]

You telling me the ranged twin won't just randomly strip someones toughness???

[hybrid plover]

It's got good uptime on rapid fire weapons.

[red portal]

Op

[narrow widget]

ranged twin on his way to get lobotomized the second a smoke hits the field

[void dragon]

Ranged Twin is not a smoker

Ergo, he pansy

[hybrid plover]

I honestly can't go back to shredders

I'm addicted to smoking

😔

[red portal]

I will try vet smokes in havoc when I get the dockets to roll more weapons.

I have like 30 k ordo dockets.

[narrow widget]

spam those auric maelstroms ig

[red portal]

True

[void dragon]

Vet smokes being Psyker bubble but they last 30s instead of 6 in Havoc

[red portal]

I stopped playing everything but havoc 40 when I got my assignment rank 40.

[serene bough]

to me it feels like a node that should be baked into MMF

[narrow widget]

fuck yeah give mmf another subnode

[serene bough]

the other two nodes at the top are much more consistent than ET

[serene bough]

i mean part of the main keystone not a subnode

[narrow widget]

true

[sonic kayak]

@hybrid plover in-game? Down to try H40?

[void dragon]

Feed the machine with more tax nodes

[hybrid plover]

Mk6 knife and Helbore go hard 🔥

[red portal]

Most people use CK for toughness management on vet 90% of the time right?

[hollow ibex]

O4B for me

[serene bough]

Its debatable but with shredders Id argue O4B gets more value

[sonic kayak]

CaB has huge uptime

[serene bough]

ill run CK if im using single target damage a lot or krak grenades

[hybrid plover]

I wish! I'm at chillies rn actually lmao

[red portal]

How often is cod taken if at all?

[sonic kayak]

Save me some

[narrow frost]

30m max

not 45

oh

not even 12.5m is 1%

its at 13m where its .6%

[serene bough]

trash node indeed

[serene bough]

close order drill?

[red portal]

Yes

[serene bough]

you typically don't invest more points at the top than one path

vet tree is very bottom heavy so its usually not a good idea to invest too many points at the top or middle of the tree

in other words don't bother unless you're intending to path down middle

[red portal]

Fair.

[narrow widget]

pov 90% of vet builds

[hybrid plover]

Ech.

[narrow widget]

I see this shape in my dreams

[serene bough]

the build(tm)

[narrow widget]

for that is all I know

[red portal]

I was looking at something like this.

[serene bough]

you would be better off taking demo team, desperado, and trench fighter

[narrow widget]

lowk I hardly ever take close quarters killzone

desperado my beloved

[hybrid plover]

Weapon specialist my beloved....

[serene bough]

remove FTE, Comp urge, and CQK and use those points to grab desperado and trench fighter for a much more potent build

[red portal]

?

[hybrid plover]

Possible hot take. Depending on what you use, you may not even need Superiority Complex.

[red portal]

So flex out superiority for weapon specialist when it's not needed?

[hybrid plover]

If you want to lean more on your ranged and help your team with boss damage, focus target.

If you want to be a good melee/ranged hybrid, weapon specialist.

I personally prefer the generalist route.

Especially since I tend to box bosses anyway.

[red portal]

I mean twins and captain take barely any ranged damage anyways right?

[narrow widget]

you can burst down twins with bolter iirc

idk I haven't played darktide in a while

[red portal]

[sonic kayak]

captain and melee twin shields are more vulnerable to ranged iirc

[narrow widget]

less

[sonic kayak]

[hybrid plover]

I'm fairly certain it's more

Range twin is more weak to melee. Melee more to ranged.

[narrow widget]

mayhaps

[red portal]

[sonic kayak]

I see
-Captain shield is x0.5
-Not-Rinda is x1
-Not-Rodin is x0.6

[red portal]

Who the fuck told me captains and twins takes less ranged damage then.

[sonic kayak]

They do, that's ranged damage

Melee damage is x3

[red portal]

Ah

What about non shielded captain.

[sonic kayak]

Not-Rinda is x2

x2 melee damage across the board it looks like, unshielded

[red portal]

Ah

[sonic kayak]

I found the legendary Sally

[red portal]

So aslong as it's not rinda mag dumping into a boss for extra dps once their shield is down is ok.

[severe jolt]

don't fucken shoot the captains
you gotta melee them

[narrow widget]

eat my bolter round

[heavy rover]

I shoot the captains to prove to them who's the better shooter

it's not about the damage output or optimization

it's about sending a message

~~it's about the Mets baby ~~

[severe jolt]

if you're tryin to shoot them you're jus lettin them free shoot you with their plasma pistol or shotgun
don't do that

[hybrid plover]

Then dodge.

[heavy rover]

and drop some smokes

[hybrid plover]

Based smoke user.

[heavy rover]

they literally just stand there. menacingly

[severe jolt]

or just engage them in melee y'know

[heavy rover]

I've seen the light with the smokes

[narrow widget]

that's for nerds and zealots

we are highly developed gunpowder users

[hybrid plover]

Says you.

[heavy rover]

no they need to feel the shame of losing to some dude with a flashlight with a pointy end

[hybrid plover]

I'm all about that ultrahot light.

[red portal]

But what if I want to bolter mag dump for funny numbers?

[serene bough]

yeah, id say removing sup complex or marksman for FT of WS keystones and this would be complete

[red portal]

What do I remove if I pay the 2 points tax for smokes?

[serene bough]

3 tax points for tinkerer as well, but just remove from left tree

[red portal]

Ah

[serene bough]

not really a fan of smokes, shredders are more user friendly but kraks and smokes have certain uses if your team can already clear mixed hordes easily

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/kingpin-spiderverse-spiderman-mets-gif-17808434626287079049

[hybrid plover]

Smokes are da best blitz in da game

[serene bough]

so long as psyker bubble exists the way it currently does there's almost no reason to take smokes

geniunely my leastmost favorite blitz in the game

[hollow ibex]

tbf smokes do things differently

[serene bough]

yeah, theyre a consumable that fills my screen with smoke and blind me bc people cannot use map terrain to their advantage

i know they have usage but i really dislike them

[hybrid plover]

There 100% is a reason to take smokes

[red portal]

Some maps/sections have terrible terrain to avoid gunners though

Also shield often has down time.

[hybrid plover]

It may not be the most practical blitz but there are maps where "using the terrain" is a complete no option.

[red portal]

Oubliette has some pretty awfull hallways

[hybrid plover]

Smokes last longer. Mess up ranged Ai so they come closer to you. Invalidate sniper sightlines to buy time. And they don't break like psyker shields do.

Hell, smokes and bubble shield together have insane synergy for that exact reason

[serene bough]

its just altogether worse than bubble

even if it lasts longer it has no stat benefit (toughness regen) and is hardly consistent, requiring more point tax, and sacrifices valuable DPS

[red portal]

Still leaving the job of gunner guard to someone else often leaves me disappointed.

Tons of psykers don't use their bubbles aggressively enough. 🙁

[hybrid plover]

You have access to one of the best nodes in the entire game pathing to smokes though.

It's just that it's not on the same side of survivalist that makes it a non pick for many.

[red portal]

Skill point tax is annoying yes.

[serene bough]

idk i seldom have issues with gunners

[hybrid plover]

Havoc 40.

[serene bough]

there's definitely some maps with terrain thats scarce like magistrati but i rarely run into a situation where I need smokes to deal with gunners

[serene bough]

yes im talking about H40

[hybrid plover]

There are several maps where gunners are extremely oppressive because of the open space in Havoc. Smokes, just like bubble shield invalidate that issue. The main reason people think it's inconsistent is because a lot think to just throw a smoke and just stand in the spot where you threw it.

That will just get you killed.

You use smokes like how good bubble psykers would by using them as mobile cover and they can be invaluable.

Shredders or kraks just do not give me that kind of utility.

Plus being able to completely disable the ranged twin is a huge bonus.

[serene bough]

id argue if you're in an open space and being gunned down so easily you didnt properly use the map well enough

but when there is space, bubble vs smokes to push or fill the gap, ill always prefer bubble

just never had an experience where I needed 30s of smoke cover to make a push over other options in the game

[hybrid plover]

It's the same exact situations where you would use bubble.

They both serve a very similar purpose in different ways.

[serene bough]

yeah but bubble doesnt cut your DPS or tax your points

if CDR wasnt the way it was now and bubble wasn't being spammed so often id see more use for smokes

[hybrid plover]

Bubbles break.

And they do pretty darn quickly under a lot of ranged pressure.

[serene bough]

thats what map cover is for

I know people find smokes useful, i dont

[wintry sage]

what should i be looking for with plasma gun stat potential?

[vernal umbra]

How do I find part sorry

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

[unreal nova]

The issue with smokes is if you have any level of lag, they also don't work.

I have smokebombed an entire area and moved to another smoke but still got shot by the things that shot me earlier.

At 4-6 ping, they work. At 280+, I just get gunned down because they shot through smoke on them, smoke on me and smoke where I was going.

It was a stupid twinned smoke with extra 'nade and demo team.

[red portal]

Netcode issue

[unreal nova]

Oh, I know. Is why smoke just is a mess.

You basically only can use it sub 100 ping. Above and it's a gamble with odds stacked further against you.

[steep flower]

You will

[crimson wyvern]

Stats on weapons really need a rework as well as blessings and perks imo

complete overhaul

its not a fun system if damage must always be 80 along with the others

[unreal nova]

More pointless.

[grand perch]

No you see it's engaging because flamer wants damage dump

[unreal nova]

Rejected. I would snip and paste my 60 mobility flamer.

[crimson wyvern]

The system they had intended if you boil it down enough is if your weapon has all 80's and one 60's you really feel that 60 weighing you down heavily, and conversely, you maybe should only have one perfect 80 onthat weapon that should feel like "Wow okay yeah I feel it"

I dont think it was ever intended that all 80's perfects and 1 mid

which you dont feel cause mobility

[unreal nova]

Or just make it fixed and just make perks/blessings do more varied stuff.

[crimson wyvern]

Yeah but people dont want to give up their precious damage blessings for some reaon

[unreal nova]

Because breakpoints.

You are on the class chat where most buffs you get are on kill.

You get ksed, no buffs for you.

And you know the war to get reaper kills.

I'm thinking of pulling out my old 1 shot revolver build for it tbh.

Whichever idiot did the numbers for that penance needs to be forced to 0 to 1.5k pub it on a new account.

[steep flower]

Yeah; dump burn intensity = dmg

[steep flower]

In practice majority of the time that 60 does not in fact weight you down

[steep flower]

Ppl are simple in that regard and i don’t mean it in a good way; sure some weapons don’t really have better alternatives than just pure dmg or conditional dmg but some have blessings that allow for unorthodox and successful playstyles usually forgotten or just straight up missed due to bias or ‘simple mindedness’

[steep flower]

Which are not end all be all yet data miners praise them

Cause ‘nUmBeRs sHoW tHaT iT iS gOoD rEgArDlEs oF gAmEpLaY hUr dUr’

[unreal nova]

Blame how talents work tbh.

[steep flower]

Its not the talents its the ppl

[crimson wyvern]

the one piece of scrap sticking out of the ground killcount

1

me 0

[unreal nova]

Eh, I just take as little elite/specialist on kill stuff.

[fossil creek]

SNIPER!

shitass snipers bro

and the fuckass dogs

[turbid ibex]

I do think the majority of weapons could have their blessing pools tweaked tbf

[primal zealot]

yea

pickaxe should get uncanny and bromentum

[grand perch]

Lethal proximity

Ogryn want more boom per boom

[turbid ibex]

Would be funny on the gg

[grand perch]

Bonus points: it's on his melee so he can keep his rumbler blessings

[turbid ibex]

Or even better

Ogryn boltgun

But yeah make the blessings a bit less redundant amd replace the options that make no sense with how the weapon is designed

[mortal aspen]

just add anything esle to the gg, it has one blessing 💀

[turbid ibex]

Pinpoiting target and whats the other one?

[mortal aspen]

that's it, there is no other one

[turbid ibex]

Oh right i misread

[mortal aspen]

okay, there's blaze away and shattering impact, but they're not relevant to what you want to do with the gg and how you use it

[turbid ibex]

Kickback too feels like it has no blessings

[turbid ibex]

Eh idk i can see them being niche but useful on some setups

Like theyre contributing more than pulverise, momentum and reassuringly accurate

Explosive offensive and disruptive are cool ideas but their numbers arent good enough

[turbid ibex]

Ig you have like, surgical and full bore?

[unreal nova]

Run&gun.

[turbid ibex]

Oh right

[unreal nova]

With either.

Mostly to tighten spread.

[turbid ibex]

Thats still like 3 blessings that do something useful

Also full bore only boosts the kickback's own strength right?

Or does it apply to melee

[unreal nova]

It's just + strength for 5 secs...

Need to test if it stays after swap.

[steep flower]

Disruptive too

[sudden cedar]

🤔

[turbid ibex]

Blaze away/inspiring barrage dont really make any sense for a single shot weapon, pierce only boosts the special bash which i doubt anyone actually uses, and punishing fire is a similar situation

Terrifying barrage i have no clue on how useful it may be

[turbid ibex]

So thats at least 4/9 slots that are basically dead in the water from the start

[sudden cedar]

Boltgun?

[turbid ibex]

Bolter blessings?

[midnight wyvern]

wot

[turbid ibex]

Wot

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/tanks-hop-on-world-of-gif-12606577529846445506

[sudden cedar]

[unreal nova]

Kickback.

[sudden cedar]

Heavy Sword.

[elder vessel]

I wonder if we could get that melee scab only modifier but instead of scabs and armor its dregs, more hordes and berserkers

[sudden cedar]

And Shredder Auto Pistol.

That would be fun.

[elder vessel]

crazy how we dont have a more hordes modifier

[midnight wyvern]

high intensity ?

[elder vessel]

"Packs of dogs!"
"Explosives send you to god!"
"Everything is on fire!"

bro just bury me in the meat of the enemy and I'll be happy

[elder vessel]

thats a more everything if im being honest

[sudden cedar]

I agree to some extend.

With how .. uhm.. recklessly.. people spend ammo and how destructive.. CERTAIN.. weapons are.. we need more meat for us to grind.

Because it clearly isn't enough yet.

And no i don't mean Havoc.

[turbid ibex]

Aoe spam modifier

[elder vessel]

we could use less AoE

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-rock-gif-21708339

[steep flower]

It has some use if you rush ranged units or shoot hordes where groaners are on bruhauto

[sudden cedar]

@elder vessel A valid suggestion. Have you seen how many people struggle without their gun?

[elder vessel]

I've bros light spam their mk4 chainaxe while they are hopelessly cornered by chaff

you know what

we need a modifer

that just

removes your gun

hordes only

no ranged enemies

just meat and your sword

[midnight wyvern]

that'd be fun

[sudden cedar]

Rotten Armour came close to what i wanted.

[midnight wyvern]

meatgrinder modifier

even if its just a limited time event

Khorne worship

[sudden cedar]

Because "mY bReAkPoInTs"

[turbid ibex]

I assume no blitz as well?

[steep flower]

Play v2 then

[midnight wyvern]

rotten armour was fun, I felt like the enemies were a little bit squishy for what they should've been

but might just be me lol

[sudden cedar]

opposite for me

people struggled hard with that

because they couldn't oneshot anymore

[midnight wyvern]

yeah people struggled but I wasn't them haha

[steep flower]

Was just you; it was like mini havoc - no wonder ppl struggled

[midnight wyvern]

It was fantastic seeing the panic and they instant eating 5 crusher overheads because they can't just W key

but I wish they'd have forced me a back a bit more than they did lol

[steep flower]

Fear factor is a war strategy after all

[midnight wyvern]

true

throw armoured meat at the wall

it does stick

we found out

[grand perch]

I wanted rotten armour to make carapace into infested

[steep flower]

Infested carapace

[turbid ibex]

Wait it didnt do that?

[grand perch]

Make the underrepresented infested armour type something to actually consider

[steep flower]

New type

[unreal nova]

I more hate how they are faster as well.

[sudden cedar]

Details, details.

[grand perch]

Nope

[turbid ibex]

Huh

[sudden cedar]

No it did not.

[unreal nova]

I can't kite them as well.

[steep flower]

Or make dreg maulers & ogryn butchers (also dreg) with infested hp

[turbid ibex]

I remember someone mentioning it did

[grand perch]

Just turned it green, more hp and big waves of armour

[turbid ibex]

Might be misremembering

[sudden cedar]

They may have described it as such.

But it was later clarified.

[steep flower]

Cause you have 300 ping silly

[grand perch]

A lot of people thought so, reddit especially

[sudden cedar]

And uhm. shooting them still made pling pling

[steep flower]

reddit

[turbid ibex]

Idk abour dreg maulers

[steep flower]

[grand perch]

Absolute reddit Moment

[unreal nova]

You have not seen how I had to drag the entire map and a pogryn across the second and end of Enclavum Baross before.

Because everyone died.

[midnight wyvern]

had a friend tell me that I should prepare to switch all my carapace to infested for it and I was like... why?

[steep flower]

I knew you were a carry Karien

[unreal nova]

And I'm praying someone spawns in to replace the dead bot.

[grand perch]

Karien Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM

[turbid ibex]

Im kinda sick of enemy types that are the exact same but just different clothes/armor

[midnight wyvern]

Karryien

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1374399585073627299/rekt.gif

[unreal nova]

GAWDDAMNIT. WHY IS GASLIGHT MAINS LEAKING.

[midnight wyvern]

the station?

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-marvel-meme-what-heroes-do-gif-14703930

[unreal nova]

PSYKER MAINS!

[turbid ibex]

Shotgunners, gunners, flamers, ragers, prob some other one im not remembering rn, are all pretty much the same enemy on both faction types except scab has better armor

[midnight wyvern]

we don't gaslight here

you must be making it up

dreg has more hp, scab has flak, generally

[unreal nova]

YOU ALL JUST DID!

[turbid ibex]

Ye but they still function pretty much identically

[steep flower]

No they are not

[steep flower]

Dregs have flak too

[midnight wyvern]

also the flamers do different stuff

[turbid ibex]

What other stuff differentiates them?

[midnight wyvern]

dreg flamers cause a bit of corruption damage too iirc

[steep flower]

Only on the self exploding part other than that its the same

[steep flower]

Lol no

[turbid ibex]

Thats the dreg bomber iirc

[unreal nova]

Green flamers cause corruption.

[midnight wyvern]

[steep flower]

The only difference is that scab flamer when exploded leaves a patch of flames that work like fire barrels flames thus it directly hits hp leaving toughness intact; dreg flamers patch of flames after explosion functions the same as if they would spray you cause there are no tox flame barrels (so far)

[steep flower]

Education is important; you have yet alot to learn

[tender rose]

They should have the tox flamers backpacks laying around in mission that you can blow up.

[steep flower]

Just like in destiny 2?

[tender rose]

Never played it, but sure

[steep flower]

Cabal have incinerators that if you shoot their backpack they explode; if you kill them normally and they ragdoll the backpack can still be shot and explode

Very dangerous

[turbid ibex]

I think the enemy types that are shared between the two factions should have more stuff to differentiate them

[turbid ibex]

Also again what other differences are there besides the flame patch properties on explosion

[steep flower]

I mean they do;
Visually
Mechanically (like the flamers i wrote about, bombers, dreg shotgunners not having a melee while scabs do which when taunted they stop shooting you & go into melee, dreg ragers have increased att spd on initiating flurry of attacks attack and start it from a distance which prevents from engaging them without risk but overall combos point blank are slower than of a scabs rager)
Hp types (to a degree; degs have flak bits like dreg gunner and having flak center body that is responsible for DoT dmg, same for dreg shotgunners while dreg ragers instead of being unarmored/infested are maniacs)

[mortal aspen]

the ragers are the most different between the two factions

everyone else is ehh, kinda similar

[turbid ibex]

I mean yeah visually theyre completely different

[steep flower]

I dunno man; you can taunt scab shotgunners and neuter them while dregs retain their threat

[mortal aspen]

the bombers are very different too

[mortal aspen]

I didn't know that

cool

[turbid ibex]

Yeah bombers i do remember being very different

Which is why i didnt include them