veteran-class

[sudden cedar]

You would. In one version you die fighting. In the other you run away from it.

[plain osprey]

Such an crazy ex Girlfriend move lmao

"If i cant have him, no one can"

[azure narwhal]

Either this was an intentional meme or you play with your life too much

I would be shitting my pants the moment i hear a barrel near a ledge

[sudden cedar]

I do not panic anymore.

[covert fable]

i dont know why i dodged into it 😂

[sudden cedar]

God-Emperor grant me strength.

[azure narwhal]

Brain fart happens

[covert fable]

yes

[azure narwhal]

I usually run into daemonhosts if i'm too tired or playing and drinking

Hood classic

In my defense i cannot hear well and if i'm drunk it's that much worse

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[covert fable]

i would just alt f4

[sudden cedar]

With that you kill someone else.

Because the Daemonhost will aggro on someone else instead.

Take the Loss and die with a bit of dignity.

[azure narwhal]

Evelyn got a point lol, i usually try fighting it, since i do wish to 1v1 it proper one day in the future

But that's, who knows when

I need to run into more daemonhosts for more practice probably

[sudden cedar]

I've had missions fail because of this and got fucked up personally by this too.

[covert fable]

i don't do this

[azure narwhal]

So far, i know that the 1st swipe is a good time to dodge, and the flurry has a cooldown timer on it

DH cannot 5 hit combo you nonstop ever

Also it seems to teleport wherever you look

[covert fable]

do you know of punch slap ogryn

[sudden cedar]

You said you would.

[azure narwhal]

Lmao

[azure narwhal]

Yeah it's nuts

But i leave the big man to the rest

No offense to the ogryn mains, i just like my tiny human drip better

[covert fable]

its so silly but powerful

[azure narwhal]

Yes

[sudden cedar]

Ogryn itself is silly and powerful

Too powerful perhaps.

[covert fable]

yes good offence and defence

[red portal]

Negev user.

[hybrid plover]

Two stamina delay node vet is fuhn.

[viral nacelle]

what is the most complex and interesting vet melee weapon? (i am not gonna play powersword)

ok how about alternate question, whats the recommended chainaxe build

like relic sword is super fun on zel

i am looking for a relic sword for vet

[covert fable]

@steep flower silly question but will manstopper apply to the crusher on zealot?

[hybrid plover]

Headtaker + Slaughterer is usually the picks but I've also seen some talk of Thunderous + Bloodletter.

[steep flower]

manstopper is a... range weapon blessing

[covert fable]

im thinking not

[hybrid plover]

It does not.

[covert fable]

ah okay

[red portal]

You don't understand he strapped a combat shotgun Agrippina at the end of his crusher.

[mortal aspen]

based

[steep flower]

the pure definition of a boomstick

[viral nacelle]

fuck why isnt that a thing

"you hit them and then the shotgun goes off"

[steep flower]

cause this ain't borderlands

[viral nacelle]

sad and weak

pathetic

fuck it, ima just do an h40 and find out

[red portal]

You never done a h40 before?

Nvm I read the context.

[tall torrent]

No

[sudden cedar]

@red portal There was a weapon in medieval china which this made me think of.

Essentially a small pyrotechnic device mounted on the tip of a spear. Usually employed as a type of shock weapon.

As advances in gunpowder weapons were made, it became similar to a flamethrower or a shotgun.

[viral nacelle]

nah i do loads, just not on vet

turns out chainaxe is pretty nice on h40

nicer if your team doesnt crash halfway thru

helbore build works pretty good with it

i cant really deal with a blob of crushers on top of me but the mix of shredders and voc already gives me tools to gtfo

im also getting better at aiming the mk4 helbore so thats nice

[sudden cedar]

According to the patchnotes, there should be less crashes

[viral nacelle]

well that is a fucking lie

there are more

the patchlog lied

[sudden cedar]

Well, probably just for the HUD changes.

If that really is the case remains to be seen.

[viral nacelle]

no straight up there are way more crashes

the hud thing is fixed but everything else is broken

[sudden cedar]

Did you crash when killing too much?

[viral nacelle]

no i crashed when mission ended, i crashed mid mission, i had team crash mid mission, i had a random guy crash mid mission

frequency is massively up for crashing

[sudden cedar]

Alright, that sucks.

[viral nacelle]

this was in three missions 😂

get used to playing havoc with bots until next fix 😂

[mortal aspen]

just things

[sudden cedar]

Carcharodon Gargantua doing things.

[red portal]

Solo play with bots for practice lol

Imagine you're the only one left and the game just shits the bed.

[viral nacelle]

well h40 with vet done

i like it, easier than meleeker in h40 for sure

being able to head pop heavy armor at range is very nice

[feral cave]

Hey quick question: what's Havoc meta melee for Veterans?

[tame lodge]

Casual Vet w

[tame lodge]

It's power sword 6

Through and through

[feral cave]

Why the Mk6?

[tame lodge]

Good single target damage
Good horde clearing prowess

[tall torrent]

it's better than mk3 power sword in every metric

[feral cave]

They both have the same damage tho?

[tame lodge]

Not quite

[tall torrent]

no

some attacks yes

[viral nacelle]

chain axe is rlly weird

[tame lodge]

True

[orchid hemlock]

I know what else is weird

[tame lodge]

One day they'll remove the cap

[viral nacelle]

ur mum

anyway i mostly havoc vet as a grenadier LMAO

[viral nacelle]

headshot for nades, throw nades

[sharp epoch]

is the dueling sword

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/fist-of-the-north-star-hokuto-no-ken-hey-as-long-as-it-works-as-long-as-it-works-winging-it-gif-5037582307183355084

[viral nacelle]

no way lol

[viral nacelle]

hot take but ds sucks

[sharp epoch]

90% of vets I see run it esp helbore builds

[tall torrent]

95%+ vets are ass

[viral nacelle]

90% of havoc vets i run into are ground lickers

[tame lodge]

Too much single target lol

[orchid hemlock]

Like me?

[sharp epoch]

It's one of the least point intenstive melees if your running a ranged build tbh

PS6 needs like desperado and other melee buffs

[viral nacelle]

the only thing i like about the ds is that its a mobility machine

[sharp epoch]

and havoc you almost always have someone on crowd control purge or trauma psyker or tauntgryn so you basically just rely on them

[viral nacelle]

idk man in h40 i feel like you need tools for everything and cant uberspec or you get dropped when the situation changes

like if you lose horde clear guy and the other three are running ds the run is over

[feral cave]

...Ok so I just tested in the meatgrinder, the heavy attacks are the same stat-wise, but the Mk3's has a more even horizontal slices while the 6 has more baseball swings.

[tame lodge]

Pro tip

You don't use heavies on the mk6

[orchid hemlock]

Don't use heavies ever 💀

😈

[viral nacelle]

i hate "only use light" and "only use heavy" weapons

i also just really really hate psword, using it is mega ass

[orchid hemlock]

I'm not gonna take 20 years to kill a crusher

We have the CS for that

[tall torrent]

that's the nice part u use heavy atk on like 1 single enemy for mk6

[tame lodge]

That being said
Yeah mk3s basically perfectly horizontal

[viral nacelle]

"press button every x swing to do damage"

[tame lodge]

Lots of sunder value

[feral cave]

Ohhhh so the Mk6 is preferred because of the light attack spam, got it.

[sharp epoch]

very skill

[viral nacelle]

the new swords with their combos and their interesting stuff is just so much better than the og spam one button stuff

[tame lodge]

And the push attack being stronger

[tall torrent]

a lot more than DS that's for sure
maybe 100x more

[orchid hemlock]

Push attack is also better

[feral cave]

Sure, only single enemy though.

[orchid hemlock]

What

Path show em the clip

[feral cave]

Oh- the push attack leads right into the overhead, that's handy.

[tame lodge]

Yeah it has better single target killing prowess because of those

[feral cave]

Ok, it's growing on me.

[orchid hemlock]

No overheads for me

[tall torrent]

no I'm on win11 rn I don't have the clip saved on linux

[orchid hemlock]

[feral cave]

Ok ty guys!!

[woeful oak]

Are the pinned veteran guides still up to date?

[orchid hemlock]

Thanks for what?

[tall torrent]

no

I'm working on an updated ver for steam

but basically @feral cave

[woeful oak]

Awesome, good luck and ty

[tall torrent]

if u need a specific part just ask

[woeful oak]

I was just wondering which talents are traps or bugged/useless when building something

[sharp epoch]

revive shout and born leader

long shot

[tall torrent]

one sec

[woeful oak]

Why are they crap? I believe you just like knowing

[sharp epoch]

revive shout makes the shout cooldown like 50% longer even if your not reviving, born leader gives to your team barely any toughness like if you get 50% toughness they get 7.5%, long shot enemies need to be very far back to get that 20% damage buff while most engagements are below the max damage range

[tall torrent]

skip these

none are bugged atm

[woeful oak]

Thanks!!!

[tall torrent]

just, these are not good

[woeful oak]

Roger that

[tall torrent]

and have basically no reason to get picked even if u want their specific niches

[tall torrent]

born leader scales from all toughness including the 100% u get from VoC

[tame lodge]

Man, I'd love to get Volley Adept

[tall torrent]

just use tac reload

[tame lodge]

Can't

I'm too shoot until empty pilled to get proper value

Aka not paying attention to my ammo

💀

[sacred hearth]

Real, I love dumping recon lasgun mags into a single direction

[feral cave]

WOW, ok, yup grabbing another Power Sword for that specifically.

[tame lodge]

The only thing that sucks about the uptime mod is that it's tracking my teammates buff on me

I don't want that

[feral cave]

Another question, then: is either chainsword an acceptable havoc vet weapon? Or is it bottom tier?

[tall torrent]

"having great room for improvement" is the best thing I can say about it and many other weapons

[feral cave]

Ah, gotcha.

[tame lodge]

It's great if you find yourself fighting poxxers and only poxxers

Which isn't really the case on havoc

[feral cave]

Brutal Momentum and Power Cycler?

[tame lodge]

Yup

[feral cave]

Ok awesome.

[tall torrent]

sunder

[feral cave]

What gives that an edge over Brutal Momentum?

[hybrid plover]

You can innately cleave carapace.

[tame lodge]

Probably the 400% cleave and the Carapace cleaving capacity

[hybrid plover]

It is the only thing that will allow you to do that.

[tall torrent]

u can cleave through significantly more things

[tame lodge]

(the tooltip won't tell you that because Fatshark being Fatshark)

[hybrid plover]

And yeah in general your cleave is buffed to crazy extents.

[tame lodge]

💀

[tall torrent]

BM loses a lot of value when u need >2 hits to kill a single enemy

[hybrid plover]

Brutal momentum is good but, yeah that. And also brutal does have a cap before it starts to abide by its regular cleave potential again.

Sunder is just a buff to cleave across the board.

[tall torrent]

would u rather kill bruisers super well, or be able to stagger up to 11 dreg ragers (or 5 scab ragers/maulers) per attack

[feral cave]

And I assume +damage against Flak and Maniacs?

[hybrid plover]

Noh. Cara and Unyielding.

[tall torrent]

I just sent it above...

[tall torrent]

@feral cave

[sharp epoch]

bruisers 😎

[feral cave]

Ah.

[hybrid plover]

You do a ton of damage to everything anyway. Might as well get perks for the things you know you won't one shot.

[tall torrent]

phenomenal reddit impression

[feral cave]

Ok so Carapace for maulers and scab ragers, but unyielding for... ogryns?

[tame lodge]

Bruisers are sleeper op confirmed (patch 1.6.x) (not click bait)

(2025)

[tall torrent]

unyielding is not "required"
elite is an alternative

unyielding just shortens bulwark to 3 hit in havoc max without as many buffs active

[sharp epoch]

carapace is for crushers and maulers, unyielding for bulwarks and reapers and bosses

[feral cave]

I'm not really going to be doing melee against bosses as a vet.

[hybrid plover]

You should.

[tall torrent]

but u should

[hybrid plover]

Power sword vet has crazy boss damage potential.

[sharp epoch]

with PS6 you do pretty good boss dps, just not really able to 1v1 them because of stam/toughness

[woeful oak]

Best perks for plasma gun? Got blaze away andddd?

[feral cave]

Shattering Impact has been fine for me.

[sharp epoch]

not blaze away

[hybrid plover]

Gets hot is a good one

Blaze away is uh.

[tall torrent]

unarmored
maniac/flak
gets hot
rising heat

[hybrid plover]

It requires spamming a weapon that isn't very efficient with ammo to begin with.

So I honestly wouldnt recommend Blaze Away

[woeful oak]

Makes sense when you say it like that

[woeful oak]

Ty!

[feral cave]

So Shattering Impact and Rising Heat, got it.

[tall torrent]

why

[hybrid plover]

Shattering Impact is really not great.

[feral cave]

..Or not, I guess.

I'll go with gets hot and rising heat. Gonna practice with those a bit.

[tame lodge]

Blaze Away Optimized Cooling

[sharp epoch]

the tank killing weapon is actually not one 😔

[hybrid plover]

It's never been a tank killing weapon tho

It can do that. Doesn't mean it's actually good at it.

[tall torrent]

it is a tank killing gun on tabletop and in lore

[hybrid plover]

Oh you mean

[tall torrent]

yea the depiction of plasma in DT is not really accurate to lore

[hybrid plover]

Okay in Lore, yeah it's meant to be but here, it's basically a cleave machine.

[tall torrent]

and in this specific case it's not lore accurate and not good for gameplay at the same time

[hybrid plover]

Yep. Strange thing they've done with it.

[sharp epoch]

buff plasma to oneshot monstorisites

[hybrid plover]

Honestly it would be a lot easier balancing it as a specialized elite killer than what it is right now.

[tall torrent]

I don't think its problem is dmg

if anything it prob can use a bit more dmg (from better talents)

cleave needs to go down massively

[hybrid plover]

Damage is honestly lack luster. Issue is that it's enough that it can kill what it's good at killing while also killing a bunch of other things in the path.

But it lacks hard against actually tanky targets.

[covert fable]

santa?

he is real

[tame lodge]

Remove the hot
Keep the air
The first target hit snowballs into other target

Until its momentum dies and cant bowling ball another target

https://tenor.com/view/boom-gif-19216402

[viral nacelle]

dont steal helbore job 😭

ok ive worked out how to aim the helbore

its great fun

[midnight wyvern]

Shrimp hate detected

[viral nacelle]

my team started pinging the specialists they wanted gone, it was funny

im not sure the cleave thing does anything useful but idk what else id put there because the build and config kidna oneshots everything that isnt a boss

also man if i can get the angle on bon he just gone

[hybrid plover]

It's not very good on plasma.

[midnight wyvern]

Fair

[hybrid plover]

You're telling me.

A shrimp. Can fire a plasma gun???

[midnight wyvern]

Pistol shrimp tries it's damn best

[steep flower]

man i need to show you my vet build

[hybrid plover]

It could easily not do that because Helbore has much more sustained potential than Plasma does.

[hybrid plover]

Does it have power sword. I sense it doesn't.

[viral nacelle]

i mean not wrong, i basically didnt use any ammo in an h40 with helbore

[steep flower]

ofc not; clunkyass weapon gets you killed when you get surrounded

[viral nacelle]

almost all the shots crit with surgical and youre really only hunting specials, armor, reaper and the occasional shotgun or rager if you can hit the wiggly fucks

[steep flower]

i prefer mobility & ability to dodge

[hybrid plover]

That's why I don't like power sword

In theory, the boss damage is great.

In practice, it has problems with being a sole boss killer.

[viral nacelle]

i tried psword and it kinda sucked in practice

[steep flower]

in theory exacly; thats why i wanna show ya my build

oh better idea

check your dms

[hybrid plover]

Gotchu

I mean, focus target with bolter. Of course that shit is going to absolutely tear bosses apart.

Idk

Maybe it's me but I like meleeing bosses

[steep flower]

thats you

melee'ing bosses is nice but why would you ever do it when you can just do it faster with your ranged (and safer when everything else comes with the boss/bosses)

[hybrid plover]

Because it's fun.

[steep flower]

until you end up surrounded & pressured & then you die cause you remembered you are a vet trying to be a melee focused build

[hybrid plover]

Melee vet is fine.

I've made it work plenty.

[steep flower]

fine is a perfect word for it

[hybrid plover]

You just need a certain finesse to pull it off.

[viral nacelle]

okie so this is what i was running in h40s (ignore the melee) https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9fbad1cc-58b7-4ac2-be38-95e948c7d470 any obvious improvements?

its really quite nice for headshotting all the things

[tall torrent]

yea remove longshot

[viral nacelle]

i mean i shot a lot of far away stuff

[tall torrent]

yea still remove it

[viral nacelle]

why?

[tall torrent]

do u really need to have +20% dmg vs sniper on helbore IV

[hybrid plover]

Better things to use that point on.

[viral nacelle]

im doubtful especially when reapers exist

gunners, crushers, etc

[tall torrent]

are u shooting them at 30m

[viral nacelle]

yeah probably

i was pretty far back

[tall torrent]

do u know what 30m looks like

[viral nacelle]

it was a good map for it

30m is the max scale right?

[steep flower]

its still not great due to how it works... basically;
+30m you get full 20% bonus then below 30m the buff lowers the closer the target gets to you - do you have any idea how many times you will be shooting something 30m away? lemme tell ya from practice; not that many targets unless long lanes

[viral nacelle]

yeah it was the big open air desert map

there ahve been others with corridors

[tall torrent]

the only enemy in the game u might shoot at 30m+ semi consistently is sniper

then again u have a helbore IV

[steep flower]

bombers too

[viral nacelle]

ok, but getting 10% damage for shooting stuff at 15m is pretty solid

esp when the goal is one shot headshots

[tall torrent]

it isn't tho

lol

[steep flower]

if you want such a buff use kill zone

[tall torrent]

helbore IV needs neither

[hybrid plover]

Killzone is at least better at what it's trying to do than Longshot is

[tall torrent]

u don't even need that 10% rending

[viral nacelle]

does avoid include dodging?

[hybrid plover]

Longshot is a trap node. Straight up.

[tall torrent]

which talent are u talking about

[viral nacelle]

killzone

"avoided melee attacks"

does that mean enemy attacking me or me attacking them?

[tall torrent]

deactivates on getting hit by any melee attack

[viral nacelle]

hit by

ok

[steep flower]

blocking too

[tall torrent]

including blocked melee attacks

[hybrid plover]

Killzone probably.

[tall torrent]

drop longshot and rending

take marksman

[viral nacelle]

eh

[hybrid plover]

Love marksman

[tall torrent]

even comp urge

is better than longshot

lmao

[viral nacelle]

marksman is active way less often

with voc

[tall torrent]

nah what

[steep flower]

its single handendly making some builds amazing

[viral nacelle]

on ability use for 10s

[tall torrent]

yea

[viral nacelle]

okie

[tall torrent]

u seriously think that works less often than longshot?

[viral nacelle]

my goal is being able to one shot reapers and crushers and whatnot in the head and the current setup does that

without dependency on the ability

why would i switch to something with less uptime

[tall torrent]

don't need longshot for that

[viral nacelle]

i dont need the max bonus from longshot, i just know im getting some bonus from it because im not point blanking stuff

[tall torrent]

ur getting like 0.3%

[hybrid plover]

Question. What difficulty are you playing?

[tall torrent]

unironically

[viral nacelle]

again, its h40 so i have to think about the yellow buff

[steep flower]

10 secs is good... you get 26 sec cooldown if you use 3 cooldown reduction perks on curios and you have tactical awareness which shaves off flat 6 seconds on each special kill and you will be doing that alot; you not getting a nice uptine on marksman is saying you're either too slow to kill specials or you're not using your voc that much or both

either way its bad

[hybrid plover]

If you're doing h40.

It is extremely easy to make marksman have nearly 100% uptime with Helbore.

[tall torrent]

u can make any vet build immediately bad by taking longshot

[viral nacelle]

what kind of scaling would result in a 0.3% on something that says 20% ranged base damage

[heavy rover]

key thing it says "up to"

[steep flower]

it will never be as bad as NOT TAKING certain nodes

[viral nacelle]

ok

[tall torrent]

+20%Fdmg
as in, from 0~12.5m, it does nothing
from 12.5~30m, it scales from +0% to +20%

30m, it stays at 20%

[hybrid plover]

You're basically the specialist hunter with Helbore. If you're killing the right targets, you'll get your shout back in no time

[viral nacelle]

ok, so min range is 12.5m that is useful to know

[heavy rover]

you'll spend most of your fighting shorter than that distance

[viral nacelle]

eh, not with helbore

its not a gun im pulling out in a point blank fight

too shit lmao

[tall torrent]

this is on top of helbore already having giga juiced breakpoints

[viral nacelle]

recon las it would be garbo

[hybrid plover]

Every h40 I play, I'm either on top with specialist kills or contending with a psyker on specialist kills because the Helbore is just

Very good at doing that

[viral nacelle]

yes

i agree

[heavy rover]

even with the helbore, you still will

[viral nacelle]

does anyone actually use deadshot?

[tall torrent]

some

[heavy rover]

for memes

I used to before the helbore buff

[tall torrent]

just

[heavy rover]

but also that was during like havoc season 1 when stalkers were the biggest threat

[tall torrent]

for ur build

[steep flower]

only for niche builds and for las pistol

[viral nacelle]

ive tried it a few times and it always feels so ass

[tall torrent]

drop longshot and rending

take marksman

and prob twinned blast

[steep flower]

nah

[viral nacelle]

ok well now im listening

ive wanted to do a twinned blast build for forever 😂

[heavy rover]

with helbore you won't need rending strike

[tall torrent]

it's seriously one of the stronger talents for havoc

[viral nacelle]

yeah but i do melee stuff pretty regularly

and i hate psword

i tried it again with the one you posted earlier and i still hate it

fuck it twinned blast time

[heavy rover]

let's go gambling awdangit

but for real can't go wrong with twinned blasts

it's especially hilarious when it happens twice in a row

[viral nacelle]

does marksman work with melee?

[tall torrent]

it's not just funny it's actually one of the stronger talents in havoc

u throw 200 grenades each game

[tall torrent]

all weakspot hits

[viral nacelle]

nice

ok, sold

i will be very amused landing a chainaxe special on a boss head with that

[tall torrent]

a bunch of talents that normally are good are less useful in havoc because of juiced enemy health

[steep flower]

inconsistency does not equal good; i prefer consistent buffs (the only gamba i accept is demo team)

[tall torrent]

esp for breakpoint weapons

[heavy rover]

same, i prefer more consistent talents where I can find it. also same with demo team

[tall torrent]

(it's not that impressive)

I've checked

[viral nacelle]

im fine gambling because i aint no weenie

also like

[hybrid plover]

Knoife.

[tall torrent]

chainaxe boss dps actually just not that impressive

[steep flower]

i like your spirit; but do use Mk IV; its safer to utilize the revs

[azure narwhal]

Jjk fans losing it

[tame lodge]

Since day 1

[tall torrent]

for an animation locked attack that takes almost 2s to do, on a weapon that can't stagger groups of ragers, I surely would hope it does a lot more than 5k vs unyielding

[azure narwhal]

So many people going insane thirsting for more episodes. I get it but holy shit, if they like jjk that bad, read, funny word, read!

Mangas are like acid to some these days lol

[viral nacelle]

this is my boy right here

i like his style

[steep flower]

what isn't these days

[azure narwhal]

Tr00

Teachers were right

Little fucks need to read more

[steep flower]

the classic headtaker & slaughterer; there is an alternative... a very... sus but effective one

[steep flower]

[viral nacelle]

alright lets hear it lol

[viral nacelle]

Eh I see rager I throw nade it’s shrimple

Then I fix my bayonet and charge as the founders intended 🫡 🇺🇸 🦅

[tall torrent]

can't with helbore IV

[viral nacelle]

I know and it pains me 😭

But the other helbore feel kinda ass

[tall torrent]

imagine if u could throw nade and ur melee also can stagger rager groups on its own

[steep flower]

Mk IIIa is great tho

[tall torrent]

revolutionary weapon design

[steep flower]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/15576655734744838221/FFDD570F983EE8857E0A28ADE0A90029786177B5/

[tall torrent]

maybe in 2035 they'll finally buff chainaxe to be good

[heavy rover]

Mk IIIa with sustained fire can work

[azure narwhal]

wh40k
chain weapons are treated like ass

This is so shit...

Anyways

[steep flower]

Chainsword my poor boi

[tall torrent]

ik for a fact they won't be buffing eviscerators in a while cuz they recently buffed it

even tho it's nowhere enough to make them actually good

[azure narwhal]

Tell me about it. Recently got more into my vet, only to find out my planned cosplay of chainsword cadian guardsman is stupidly bad

[tall torrent]

u can't even say like "this weapon was made with X class in mind so it's weaker on vet" when it has the exact same issues on other classes that has this weapon

[steep flower]

i mean it can work but you need to be EXCEPTIONALLY good at the game & read alot of animation ques from enemies to utilize the rev (use blodletter btw; you'll see)

[azure narwhal]

I'm yet to try chainaxe but evisc i can work with, i don't feel it's bad at all

[steep flower]

Arby

[azure narwhal]

Do you stack bleed and use brittleness alongside frags to get highest bleed DOTs possible?

[tall torrent]

XV is ok but no rager group stagger
III's single target still wack, and H1 still has that atrocious 300% maniac mass multiplier

[azure narwhal]

I see

Thanks

[steep flower]

Chainsword does not have brittle; 14 stacks is already good if you wont be able to rev again the same target

[azure narwhal]

Can't try anything now sadly. Vacation

[tall torrent]

it's not "high damage" either when it takes 3~4 sweeping attacks to kill a single gunner

[azure narwhal]

Ah rip, thought it'd share the chainaxe blessing by logic

Logic and darktide is my fault though

[tall torrent]

and then u have people with 0 clue what they're talking abt that come out and say "but XYZ weapon is good cuz I can use it and do well"

this not even the same conversation

[azure narwhal]

Question

What are my hopes with the

Green chainsword i know not the mk of

Well name of the mk

[hollow ibex]

my favorite type of conversation

[tall torrent]

IV?

tbh

[steep flower]

thats just cope

[tall torrent]

IV is mostly just lacking in stats

[hollow ibex]

"X weapon's pretty bad, could use some help"
"but uhh i do perfectly fine with X weapon???"

[azure narwhal]

Should be. Astra militarum imperialis engraved into one side

[steep flower]

IV

[azure narwhal]

Neat

That one

[steep flower]

IMAGINE having less finesse multiplier than shock mauls

[azure narwhal]

But moveset is good? I could work with that

Maybe

[tall torrent]

if IV had actually good stagger (ex: heavy sweep on weakspot to stagger rager), actually reasonable first target dmg on its non-activated single target moveset, and did 5x its current activated attacks' dmg

I think it'd be pretty good

[steep flower]

on arby you can

[tall torrent]

only the first part

not the second and third parts

chain weapons' risk vs reward simply is not there

[viral nacelle]

The sound is tho

[azure narwhal]

I could cushion its lacking stats a little. Whenever i plan to melee, frag throw, shout with close quarters killzone and for the emperor!, and initiate

But this is by no means

Consistent

[tame lodge]

Chainsword is bad
Except the Xiiig
Xiiig is pretty good on zealot

And what else

Uh

Did I check every box?

Uh

[tall torrent]

XIIIg is way better on arb than zealot

[tame lodge]

Wait hold on

If you can't do good with Xiiig then it's skill issue

Did I check every box

[azure narwhal]

Is the IV that bad in your opinion?

[tame lodge]

I think I did

[tall torrent]

not as good as XIIIg atm

[tame lodge]

[azure narwhal]

Rip

[tall torrent]

even tho XIIIg has no real moveset

[azure narwhal]

Gotta use it though

[viral nacelle]

Ok but chain axe

[azure narwhal]

I'll see to it when i'm home

[viral nacelle]

🪓

[azure narwhal]

I'm honestly surprised FS put a chainaxe in

Good surprised

[viral nacelle]

Is it really still slaughter/head?

[azure narwhal]

It's a neat choice

[tall torrent]

I wish it was good

[steep flower]

the longer rev & slightly longer windup heavy on XIIIg makes it worse than IV in practice

[azure narwhal]

Hopium

[steep flower]

i've literally send ya a 1 sec vid showcasing the alternative

[azure narwhal]

I honestly feel like it would be neat if chain weapons had some sort of rending/bleed function innately

It would make

So much sense

Because it's literally a chain weapon

It feels so braindead to say that

[viral nacelle]

Videos 🤮

I am old I live by words

[steep flower]

i would state how it is but its late... and i don't wanna write an essay

[azure narwhal]

You could use that 1 second reading a singular word, it's a waste of time obviously

[azure narwhal]

All good man

It's late here too

1:15

[steep flower]

same

[azure narwhal]

O

Balkans?

[steep flower]

Europe

[azure narwhal]

Lucky

Lol

[steep flower]

can add me & maybe tomorrow i'll explain in vc how about it? Same for you @viral nacelle about the chainaxe

[azure narwhal]

I am sharing apartments with 2000 family members so sadly it's impossible to vc in peace, but whenever you feel like it drop by and leave a text, i buildcraft a lot so i enjoy these talks anyways

[steep flower]

as long as you're willing to listen its good 4 me & 4 you

[azure narwhal]

Don't worry i can actually read more than 2 sentences (impossible)

[turbid ibex]

mf lives in a hive city irl

[azure narwhal]

Albania moment

[viral nacelle]

You’d think you’d have your own personal bunker

[azure narwhal]

[tranquil ledge]

Is chink in their armor a good keystone modifier?

[hollow ibex]

no

[tranquil ledge]

And also why?

[hollow ibex]

too conditional

[tranquil ledge]

Ok

Which modifiers should I pick?

[turbid ibex]

marksman's focus is pretty bad tbh

[tame lodge]

Yesnt

75% finesse is crazy

+reload speed

[turbid ibex]

requiring to not move on a horde shooter is also crazy

[tame lodge]

Just hit heads lol

3-6 seconds period grace

[tranquil ledge]

False, it’s versatile, simply requires headshots, and works well with the executioners stance

[sharp epoch]

marksman focus is bad

[tranquil ledge]

It’s not bad but it could still use a buff

Like being able to move while aiming down sights

Should I pick long range assassin or camouflage keystone modifier

[sharp epoch]

camo

[tame lodge]

Camo for consistent
Long range for higher rewards

When in doubt

Remember

It's a horde shooter

Plenty of heads to shoot

Note to self

Play long range onslaught Vraks5 later today

[hybrid plover]

Marksman's Focus is not that bad lol

Like it isn't the best keystone IMHO but its completely usable if you go for headshots consistently.

[tame lodge]

Veterans try to beat the can't aim allegations challenge

https://tenor.com/view/crying-one-piece-anime-gif-4502646032764566609

[hybrid plover]

It just kinda pales in comparison to the other two for what it tries to do.

[hybrid plover]

The one class. Where you want to actually aim.

[tranquil ledge]

IMO it’s good but could use a big buff and maybe a rework

[sharp epoch]

why aim when theres a shotgun that just deletes everything in front of you or flamethrower

the incentive to good aim is just non existent

[hybrid plover]

Are you sure you're playing veteran?

[sharp epoch]

im saying why bother aiming when theres better options to killing enemies

if I want to kill a group of shooters the wide choke shotgun just deletes them by aiming center mass as opposed to shooting each individually in the head

[hybrid plover]

So we're playing arbitrator then.

The class where you don't have to care because it's abrasively overpowered.

Like that's not really making a good argument for why you shouldn't try to actually aim your shots.

[tranquil ledge]

From what I remember veteran was heavily nerfed

[narrow frost]

when?

[tranquil ledge]

Idk just what someone told me

[narrow frost]

vet hasnt been nerfed in like 2 years...

[sharp epoch]

vet was nerfed when they got rid of old exe and split it among like 10 talent nodes, but that was when the talent tree came out

[narrow frost]

2 years ago

3?

[sharp epoch]

i forgoted

[tranquil ledge]

What’s old exe?

[sharp epoch]

executioner stance

[primal zealot]

i guess if u count the survivalist nerf a while back

[tranquil ledge]

Was executioners stance op? How?

[sharp epoch]

its similar to castigator's stance which granted high damage reduction and was extended by killing shooters/specials/elites

[narrow frost]

I guess

[tranquil ledge]

What were the stats

[primal zealot]

idk i barely notice. im fairly conservative with ammo

[sharp epoch]

25% extra damage 50 or 75% DR I think

I forgot it's been awhile, but it was mostly hated by other classes

then they come out with castigator's which is the same but rebranded

[tranquil ledge]

DR?

[sharp epoch]

damage reduction

[tranquil ledge]

Crazy

Why was it hated?

[sharp epoch]

the caveat was if you pulled out your melee the effect ends, so you cant deal with melee that well or push poxbursters

[tame lodge]

Yeah surv went from S+++ no reason to pick any other Aura to S+ you can pick any other aura if you want to

[primal zealot]

i still maintain its s++++ so i dont have to fight the gun psyker for ammo

[sharp epoch]

people thought vet was OP and invincible and deleted everything, but I feel like the power creep now would place vet lower than ogryn arb and psyker still

[tropic notch]

Tbh i hate that they nerfed it

[sharp epoch]

when the talent trees came out vet got really shafted

they didn't even have keystones it was funny

[tranquil ledge]

What was it like before?

[sharp epoch]

They added an internal cooldown to survivalist it would supply ammo every elite/special, now you gotta wait like 3(?) seconds before it gives ammo on elites/specials

[quiet valley]

It used to round up too

1%? Yeah thats an entire Rumbler nade per elite/spec kill with no cooldown

[quiet valley]

Its 5s CD 💀

[hybrid plover]

Based close and kill enjoyers be like

[tall torrent]

because vet at launch was very significantly better than every other class and not by small amounts

[arctic rampart]

and now we got rumbler ogryn or left click spam ogryn and arbites

[hybrid plover]

I played arby yesterday and I just can't.

Like it's so brainless that it makes me fuck up.

[primal zealot]

still does

[hybrid plover]

I tried auric Maelstrom yesterday. I honestly just don't play it often but everytime I do, I'm topping the scoreboard but I can also tell I'm making way more mistakes than usual.

[brittle cape]

finally done with vet penances

[hybrid plover]

I've played it in h40. Honestly don't really care for it there tbh

[turbid ibex]

That other aura being the move speed one

Cause fire team is doing pretty much nothing

[tall torrent]

nah, they changed it

[primal zealot]

rly ? when ?

[tall torrent]

super long time ago

[primal zealot]

damn thats actually depressing

[tall torrent]

used to round up

now it checks the actual amount

and saves decimal for future

[primal zealot]

[tall torrent]

so it's worse for weapons with ammo pool <100

[primal zealot]

this make ogg brain angy

gib ammo

https://tenor.com/view/gib-gibs-milkers-apu-apustaja-hands-gif-14790740

[tall torrent]

example
a long time ago when it rounded up
a single survivalist proc is 0.27 but rounded up to 1 ammo to rumbler
now u will actually get 0.27 ammo, but because this is under 1, u get 0 ammo, and 0.27 ammo banked
this goes on until u get 4 procs then you have 0.27x4 = 1.08, in which case you will have 1 ammo back and 0.08 ammo banked

[primal zealot]

this is anti ogryn discrimination

[tall torrent]

nah

[primal zealot]

yah

[tall torrent]

it makes it not disproportionally strong for low reserve ammo weapons

it's good

[primal zealot]

[tropic notch]

Remember when vet got 100 gold toughness on voc

For some reason

[fossil creek]

Onslaught is kinda goated

I love lazering dudes in armor

[tame lodge]

🗣️

Not raining on anyone's parade today

[faint beacon]

Yeah I see why Infiltrate can be fun with Shotgun now

@quiet valley Also hello, It just clicked to me I played with you that match LMAO

[quiet valley]

Oh lol hai

First match after hotfix, still crashing lol

[faint beacon]

We love it!

Im not removing it till I see console players not crashing anymore lmao

[hybrid plover]

Oh and I was running a perfect block build with shmaul and zarona.

It's very stupid.

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/devourer-of-gods-worm-terraria-terraria-calamity-gif-22599293

[tall torrent]

Removing what

TempBuffFix?

It’s still required?

[quiet valley]

No idea was just mid mission, crashed on reconnect, so I just disabled em

[faint beacon]

Unsure what it was but he repeatedly crashed near the elevator event on Vigil Station Oblivium

[tall torrent]

What thing were u talking about removing

[faint beacon]

Buff bar thought it could be that still

and knowing them it probably still isn't fixed

[tall torrent]

I played like 2 games today since removing it

Been ok?

Played 1 on win11 and 1 on Linux

[void dragon]

Error 2001 have been happening from time to time, but games are playable, at least on my end

[past saddle]

Is 70/70 good enough for plasma or should I roll it until it's 69/71-72?
Plasma is getting reworked anyway and I don't want to dump too much dockets onto it because i'm still new to the game (and poor)

[hollow ibex]

that's totally fine

[slow spade]

Bricked

C:

[midnight wyvern]

Luckily I've only gotten them in the mourningstar so far

Certainly been seeing others DC though

[grand perch]

I do not miss the old crafting system

[distant mural]

Who fckn does?😂

[tall torrent]

Borderlands 4 literally right around the corner 💀

Literally the RNG loot grind game

Game actually looks good too with all the new additions they showed

[native ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/steamcrazy-steamhappy-steamsad-steaminsane-insane-gif-7729598856751852812

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

[steep flower]

Unfortunate

[native ocean]

I managed to get one actual +3 stam curio but I had to spend 15k melkbucks

[steep flower]

80$ btw
‘True fans will be able to afford it’ btw

[steep flower]

I know the pain

[native ocean]

yeah feels terrible lmao

[native ocean]

man I can't play this class anymore

vet feels so incredibly sauceless after arbites dropped 🙁

[stiff glacier]

Lets see what build i should run,voc voc voc voc

[steep flower]

Maybe you need some help with build making? I can assist if you wanna

[grand perch]

Infiltrate DB weapon spec

[steep flower]

Agile engagement my beloved; one day you shall be good cause your talent tree position is dogshit

[grand perch]

Ain't that the truth

[fossil creek]

Arbitrators basically do everything vets do, but better.

It's like that one scene from Suicide Squad.

https://tenor.com/view/he-does-exactly-what-i-do-but-better-suicide-squad-james-gunn-peacemaker-bloodsport-gif-26579454

[native ocean]

I just wish right tree vet was fun to play

[fossil creek]

Gif fail moment

[fossil creek]

I'll take that offer if you dont mind 👀

Right now I'm using a recon lagun build, one from that build website.

But with one tweak, which is Onslaught.

Since I like being able to shoot Maulers and Crushers.

[native ocean]

I wish skirmisher didn't suck
I wish I didn't have to path through so much garbage and breadcrumb nodes to get what I want

[grand perch]

Fun is subjective but why wouldn't infiltrate WS Combo be fun?

[native ocean]

because WS is a terrible keystone

[grand perch]

[native ocean]

I switch between gun and melee constantly as the situation demands so the bonuses end up largely wasted

[fossil creek]

I basically use my guns as my primaries.

[grand perch]

That's absolutely how you should play ws

[fossil creek]

Because hell.

I like guns.

And the Recon Lasgun's ammo reserve is so insane it works lol

Not so much when I play bolter tho. For obvious reasons.

[native ocean]

also like

how come arbys get extra ammo capacity for free while vets have to go down a specific tree fork?

that one just ticks me off

[fossil creek]

It's the will of the Lex.

[steep flower]

It can be if you know how to utilize it; can show ya everything

[steep flower]

All are welcome will note ya once i come home; i’m at work

[steep flower]

You go to that fork anyways cause it contains a trifecta of a good vet build

[native ocean]

well yeah but it's a heavy point tax

[steep flower]

You mean the right side?

[native ocean]

no I mean the left side talents

fully loaded, superiority complex etc

[steep flower]

No they are not; its just 4 talents that power of them matches their cost

[native ocean]

but isn't that what makes a build good?

picking cost effective talents

[steep flower]

30% weakspot power goated
25% ammo goated
15% base dmg vs the most dangerous enemies goated

[mortal aspen]

cap

[native ocean]

yeah that's exactly what grinds my gears with vet

[steep flower]

Every class has such nodes that if you don’t take them you’re essentially a pepega

All due to how the game operates; otherwise they would not be ‘must picks’

[native ocean]

While that is correct, the veteran is the only class that has these must pick talents spread out so far from one another

[steep flower]

YES gimme moar anime emotes

[steep flower]

I would not say they are that spread wdym

[native ocean]

these three important (for a gun psyker, other psykers can skip mettle) talents cost only three points to take

meanwhile superiority complex takes 4-6 points depending on which active you pick

bring it down, 6-7 points

[mortal aspen]

ok, but this is just wrong

Vet has much better team support and unique team support as well:
Free ammo for the whole team, Gold Toughness, Damage Amp, team toughness replenishment, Smoke Grenades

Vet has a fun and functional hybrid keystone in WS. TW wishes it was WS.

Vet has better sniping potential and infinite ammo with Las weapons.
Vet is significantly better at grenade spam.

[native ocean]

trench figher, 4-6

[unreal nova]

Emergency pocket smite guarantees 3x pick up if you get to the rescue.

[native ocean]

dog is a free, almost instnt save from hound pounces for you and others without any point investment

[steep flower]

Which in alot of builds you do not need btw

[native ocean]

why not?

[steep flower]

Cause of how vet was designed to be; if you are not going for WS you don’t need to spec into right side at all and still be good

[native ocean]

but you're still going to be meleeing a lot, even as executioner stance vet

[steep flower]

You pamper me @unreal nova with those emotes you know that

[native ocean]

if you don't that means you're wasting ammo on trashmobs at point blank range which makes you a burden to the team

[steep flower]

Not nearly enough especially as exec stance wth
Tonight i will disclose everything cause its a long talk and it needs showing

[native ocean]

sure thing

[unreal nova]

Just swing knoife and panic.

Or you know, 1 frag and lmb spam.

Which sounds like panic so it works.

[native ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

see that's my exact problem with vet

[steep flower]

And then note ya once i’m available

[unreal nova]

Also, I plasma maulers because.

[fossil creek]

Yeah same here.

[steep flower]

Added btw

[native ocean]

the weapon inflexibility with most builds is also what kills vet for me

[fossil creek]

Accepted

[native ocean]

a lot of weapon/talent combos... just do not feel good at all

[unreal nova]

Not much choices. Two slow weapons? You karked. Two ST, karked. Too horde shredder, lone crusher eats you.

Or you spend 50 million years poking the crusher to death.

[steep flower]

Thats like every class

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but vet is more weapon focused. Unless you go 'nade spam.

[steep flower]

Like every class (exept smiker)

[native ocean]

gun psyker works with literally every weapon available

[steep flower]

Single shot range weapons

[native ocean]

good for smite gunker

[steep flower]

Oh ye; i do that

But not for gunpsyker as a build

[unreal nova]

Dog compensates for some also pocket smite and well, somewhat busted weapons, oggy has busted talent numbers so anything works, psyker soulblaze or assail/smite.

We don't talk Zealot, they have 1 build. Or 2 when blight says hi.

[native ocean]

I have a gun psyker build for all three blitzes

all 3 use scriers gaze

[azure narwhal]

Wdym? I use fotf, knives, and piety. I am a fully unique individual

[fossil creek]

My next class will be Psyker.

[azure narwhal]

Peak choice

[fossil creek]

I love the Psykers with the bubbles and lightning n shit.

Rlly cool

Ima make a gandalf ass build

[steep flower]

…Karien… you silly crat; what do you use in conjunction with the builds? Hmmm?
WEAPONS
And thus they are a core that is important if not main thing that makes the build on ANY class

[unreal nova]

A good talent tree lets you use anything you want.

[azure narwhal]

Bubble is pretty good unironically, smite blitz is... okay, i'd suggest just getting electrokinetic staff if you like zaps

[fossil creek]

Bet

[azure narwhal]

But hey

[unreal nova]

But vet is too breakpoint kill focused to have fun.

[azure narwhal]

Long as you're new to it

[fossil creek]

I mean the shields are so handy against all the gunners.

[azure narwhal]

Try everything man

[unreal nova]

You get kills stolen? You lose out on buffs.

[steep flower]

Not always; i would not use certain talent tree builds with certain weapons; this even goes for arby despite how good his tree is

[native ocean]

that's how it was for me
started with veteran
second class was psyker and I mained it since

[fossil creek]

My first class is Vet, second Arbitrator, third Psyker.

[steep flower]

Smite is op wdym

[fossil creek]

Like I said, I really like guns man.

Exterminator shotgun is so nice

[azure narwhal]

We're real lucky this is veteran class

[unreal nova]

I mean, barring basic common sense things like don't pick all ranged nodes on a melee... wait... oggy can pick all melee and still shoot perfectly fine.

[grand perch]

Cringe: Gandalf build
Based: Saul Goodman lightning from his finger tips build

[sudden cedar]

Smite is good. Always has been. Just a lot of bad smykers give it a horrible reputation.

[hybrid plover]

Smite is annoyingly good.

[steep flower]

Don’t care; ppl cope 2 much cause they don’t wanna admit it is

[sudden cedar]

Always depends on how you play with it and what you want to do with it.

[unreal nova]

No, beekeeper.

[hybrid plover]

I honestly don't think Smite should even be in the game but it's there and it's very good at what it tries to do.

[steep flower]

Same goes for knife; its biased to a belief of a rusher

[sudden cedar]

Do bees still exist in 40K i wonder?

🤔

[grand perch]

Look at all the wax in use

[hybrid plover]

Thing is, because of what it tries to do, you get a lot of people that just, do that. And nothing but that.

[steep flower]

Flys do

[sudden cedar]

Karking flies.

[hybrid plover]

Palapatine ah players.

[grand perch]

However the wax could be human fat or something

[steep flower]

Earwax

[grand perch]

[sudden cedar]

Loner Zealots also have a bad reputation. Same as Martyrdom to be honest.

[steep flower]

Everything has some sort of a bias

[hybrid plover]

Martyrdom zealots with fury specifically tend to be those players.

A real one knows chorus is the way to go with martyrdom.

[sudden cedar]

Hey, i play Martyrdom with 2 Wounds

[steep flower]

I hope thats a joke

[sudden cedar]

(not really it's just a meme at this point)

[azure narwhal]

Eh, i guess it is up to preference in the end but path to smite hurts compared to BB and you lose out on pretty important talents going to smite. Smite is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be for sure, but i'd say BB is the superior choice 90% of the time, it's just too good of a path

[hybrid plover]

Half joke. But one of my h40 builds is exactly that so

[azure narwhal]

Marty zealots are always good to see

[sudden cedar]

What is the idea behind it, iam curious.

holy music starts playing in Veteran chat

[steep flower]

Its not good; you try to make support build do dmg and thus you make a build that does great at nothing

[hybrid plover]

It's worked for me before.

It usually tops boss damage actually.

[steep flower]

Thats not your job as book zel

Your job is to support

[hybrid plover]

That sounds so boring.

[azure narwhal]

SUPPORT? IN MY 40K GAME HURR DURR IM GONNA VOMIT BLEGHH

[sudden cedar]

Because it is.

[steep flower]

And if you cannot do that efficiently you make your team lose

[steep flower]

But it is what it is

[sudden cedar]

But when you play Chorus, that is the role you are dedicating yourself to.

[hybrid plover]

I've been able to do both good damage and have good uptime on chorus though.

You don't need to completely sacrifice the ability to do damage on a chorus build.

[sudden cedar]

What is good uptime in your opinion?

(just to be clear, before some dunderhead says it again, i will not force anyway to play anything, to what you want, iam just curious)

[azure narwhal]

Stop forcing people to play how you want them too

I am calling 199

[sudden cedar]

[azure narwhal]

A moment

[hybrid plover]

Enough uptime that there barely ever feels like a time where I don't have that extra 30%

[sudden cedar]

30% what? Damage?

[hybrid plover]

Yep.

[sudden cedar]

I see.

[steep flower]

If eve would use martydom i would not trust him as i trust him now

[unreal nova]

Nothings bores when you are perpetually panicking.

[sudden cedar]

I wouldn't trust myself with Martyrdom

[hybrid plover]

Only time where that can kind of stop actually is when there's a time that I do actually have to try and fight off a boss since what I run doesn't use Invocation.

[sudden cedar]

🤔

[midnight wyvern]

I dont trust my team enough to run it

[steep flower]

And here i see the problematic idea; you wanna make an offensive chorus… if premare it can work but… the golden rule of any game
Survivability first, damage second
If you can do enormous dmg bur can’t survive its bad

[midnight wyvern]

its great to do more with but jesus christ if I am low they WILL shoot barrels all the time

[hybrid plover]

That's why you stay at high martyr stacks.

[unreal nova]

I gamble with lag, 2 hp for 6+mins?

[sudden cedar]

I don't think people, in organized high havoc, would intentionally shoot barrels with malicious intend.

@steep flower Right?

[native ocean]

martyrdom is the closest build to getting deserved bad rap because I can accept the argument that purposefully avoiding healing is a bad design choice

[turbid ibex]

Thats why you stay high

[native ocean]

since marty zealots are an actual liability unless they're really good at the game

[steep flower]

And proc until death in 2 hits and when you are needed most you die and team won’t save you cause you were the only one providing CC & protection

[sudden cedar]

No matter how good you are, Martyrdom will let you down when you really need it.

[hybrid plover]

Why do you assume this has happened?

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-skeleton-gif-25491807

[sudden cedar]

Because you just go down.

[steep flower]

I guess

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/i'll-be-blunt-with-you-blunt-gif-17728238619641319735

[native ocean]

exactly

[steep flower]

Seen it too many times with more experienced ppl

[native ocean]

gunker used to be hated a lot but that went away now

[sudden cedar]

Oh also, let me introduce you to the fun mechanic of..corruption triggers until death too.

[native ocean]

I also get why smite psyker and book zealot are hated but to a less extent, they're not bad abilities but bad players use them as a crutch a lot and it shows

[hybrid plover]

Yes I am aware of this.

[steep flower]

Smite users give smite a bad name

[hybrid plover]

I have used martydom like

Exclusively for a while now.

[native ocean]

have I ever told you about meeting multiple golden title smykers who just stood still smiting a shielded rinda karnak while they got chopped to death

[sudden cedar]

Sounds.. great..

https://tenor.com/bivYg.gif

[narrow widget]

yeah but thats cuz youre a knife gremlin

[hybrid plover]

I dunno. Maybe I am just special enough to make it work because it tends to do me just fine.

[sudden cedar]

Who knows really.

[hybrid plover]

Backstabs give a lot of cooldown reduction and it's very easy to fish those.

[steep flower]

Very oof

[native ocean]

I was the first one to go down because the smykers and the rest of the team turned off their brains when rinda showed up and I just impotently watched as they got downed repeatedly by her 360 swings

[unreal nova]

Knoife marty is funni though.

[native ocean]

at that point I decided I don't want to play havoc anymore ever again

[hybrid plover]

So I never really feel pressed about not having chorus available.

[sudden cedar]

I can somehow picture this.

But not wanting to play havoc anymore because of this? That is sad.

The team is what makes it, not the difficulty really.

[steep flower]

Playing with randoms is a mistake; what havoc lv was it?

[unreal nova]

Is why I won't pub.

[native ocean]

21

[hybrid plover]

Oh no.

You're in elo hell.

[native ocean]

yeah ik

h21 is the great filter

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova You don't pub because of ping

[steep flower]

Hyperbruh that is nothing…

[hybrid plover]

OK NO THERE'S A SCIENCE TO THIS

[steep flower]

I don’t envy you

[sudden cedar]

21 is ..the name of a Moebian Guard Regiment.

🥁

[native ocean]

true!

[hybrid plover]

21-29 is honestly harder than 30-40 with pubs.

I swear to god.

[sudden cedar]

It is.

[hybrid plover]

Because you have no fucking idea what your randoms are capable of.

[sudden cedar]

I have no fucking idea what randoms in H40 are capable of.

[steep flower]

Same as for 30+

[sudden cedar]

Answer is a lot of the time, a lot of karking nothing.

[steep flower]

I know; they still suck massive shlong

[hybrid plover]

And yet I rarely ever run into issues in 30-40 like I have 20-29.

[native ocean]

it's really simple, I can either have fun on auric maels with minimum waiting time and generally good randoms or waste anywhere between 5-30 minutes in partyfinder to attempt 20something havoc with invariably terrible players

[steep flower]

You got variance

[hybrid plover]

Other than like, a few times where people maybe pushed up too hard because they panicked from a boss spawn.

[midnight wyvern]

SFA

99% of the time

[azure narwhal]

I honestly never know how to feel about support in darktide when i'm not premade. It's good when i know the guy, but when it's a random... psyker for example, i much rather they run shriek and push the best dps they can with it. I have little to no hope for coordination in pubs, let alone coordinated support

[hybrid plover]

20-29? It's gambling basically. I have had some truly astounding experiences.

[steep flower]

Don’t use party finder unless you are really good; use lfg here

[native ocean]

I guess I will have to! 🤷‍♂️

[midnight wyvern]

oh yeah, there is an lfg

[sudden cedar]

I have read a lot about zealots using Chorus when someone is down, only to witness that no one is using this to revive someone.

[midnight wyvern]

💀

[sudden cedar]

I couldn't really believe it until i saw it for myself.

[hybrid plover]

Like the knife vet that I had to tell not to rush up after they instantly went down, only to tell me they're gonna do a favor and ignore me and then do the same thing and die and also pull a twin spawn.

[native ocean]

I have played that and higher level havocs with people on here in the past already however

[sudden cedar]

I think this is mostly just tunnel vision and thus lack of awareness. I hope so.

[steep flower]

I saw it too many times; you sometimes have to scream at them to do it (i did that it works)

[unreal nova]

I can pub HK. But player quality is questionable.

[native ocean]

I don't think we ever managed a full premade team though

[hybrid plover]

Lack of awareness to be honest.

[steep flower]

Thats even at 40

[sudden cedar]

Oh favourite of mine recently.

[unreal nova]

The same quality. Just a tiny bit better.

[sudden cedar]

Warren 6-19 or whatever, with the Obscura Den and the Interrogation event in the middle.

everyone was low and i had a medkit.

Zealot was spamming "I need healing"

Asked for medpack.

And i was like "for what?"

Use the karking medstation perhaps?

[hybrid plover]

wait

[sudden cedar]

Yes.