#veteran-class
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As a buff
Extra Weakspot and critical damage
As a weapon stat
Attack Speed, Weakspot and critical damage
Do note that finesse on Bully Clubs is only attack speed
Then again
fastest firing
Would fall under braced context
But if it's all da shooty autoguns
Infantry is peak
All of em i enjoy
Dum Dum, Raking Fire on Vraks
Proceed to give bonbon the meanest backshots in Tertium
Yeah
Tbf I didn't remember who's faster between Brauto and Infantry
So I just guessed infantry
YOU CALLIN ME A DUM DUM, LITTLE ONE
Been a while but i believe the braces are the fastest of pews
Which is funny cause most people i see running braced run the slowest firing one
because the slowest one has amazing cleave
it is actually really good for mixed hordes
Tru, for what time i did use it it was fun
Also iirc
Its UI icon looks like an AK
Which was funni
It's clearly kalashnikov influenced in design
Yeah it has better damage per shot, stagger and cleave
id agree if shocktroop didnt exist
Shocktroop? Is that the one with the net gun?
no the vet talent that gives lasguns free ammo on crit hit
Idk why but the main reason why I prefer the auto gun is because it’s way more precise than the lasgun. Also because it has a faster ttk and is more satisfying to kill things with
its got great raw DPS but shocktroop makes recon more ammo efficient while still being very good
but that's dependent on a specific node for lasguns
if we're talking both weapons without that sorta niche
the infantry 100% comes out on top
hmm
i was not aware that weak spot damage from mercy killer stacks additively with other weak spot damage multis
Why do you think it is used 
oh hey they brought cranial corruption back into havoc
i thought it was multiplicative
I use my Bolt Pistol on vet with Lethal Proximity for the buff to my grenades, and Run 'n' Gun which makes it really easy to run with and instantly hipfire delete specialists.
Surgical is also a good choice if you find yourself stopping to aim down sights more often than not, if you have good aim then it pairs well with Deadly Accurate.
surgical DA on bistol is a trap tbh
bolt pistol in general just feels like a trap sometimes lol
the only time i ever feel like it's really good enough for me to use as an actual ranged weapon is with weapon specialist
that's it
that's what i mean tho
like, it's good with that
but trying it with anything else is just disappointing honestly
No, you're just good 
I should play dmr Bistol more
havoc teams that rush make me want to cry
And soon it is going to be god damn pus hardened again
gonna be peak recon infernus gaming
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE PUS HARDENDED!!!!!!
Me when pus hardened exist:
anything beats rituals tbh
Rituals when they are not bugged are even enjoyable tbh, but when they just randomly trigger they are a blight
"when theyre not bugged" sir this is darktide
I'm aware of the anomaly that is non bugs in DT, I'm just saying
ObeseFish skill to add bugs to this game is beyond a gift
It will happen the MorbidlyobeseShrimp promised it!...in the year 40000...if we are lucky (now non-bugged rituals might be beyond the scale of what our universe can allow)
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Yes, I played Ulgu weaves
I successfully nudged someone away from using longshot today
You know, I'm a bit of a saint myself
it would be a cold day in hell before I give up the helbore. I'll even run a helbore with infernus if I have to
better than Saint Closetius
i hear hes not getting out a lot
thank god they are releasing vet rework tomorrow
putain merde intensifies
He is a friend of Dr. Toilet 
🤔
I think I'd rather have pus hardened or the bugged rituals over blight, there's always one teammate trying to rush through it, one teammate trying to hold fast and wait it out, and one standing right in it typing in chat that they don't know why they keep going down
That was in your recent video wasn’t it, literally skimmed and saw them gassing the talent up and just hoped someone would break the news to them
I mean yeah admittedly those situations it’s good but then you have to think how many maps have massive sight lines and let you hit enemies from that far out
even more tax

infinite tax
New tree: you wanna go VOC, VOC, or VOC?
New tree: We trimmed the branches
It's just VOC now
If you equip the bolter it automatically changes to exec stance
Only after other clases you realise how much diversity psyker truly has
It's been a minute since I last played(since the crafting rework) and started playing again, ironing out weapons and such. I remember finally getting into my element on my vet with a chainsword/mk II revolver build of my own making and curious how it holds up nowadays?
P.S. I have a toughness curio I can replace the stam curio with.
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fb86d87-4ba1-453a-ae31-0590bec24565/revolver-pop
I feel like the rest can afford variety albeit some more than others
But vet is definitely the strictest
Lmao made it better dw
Zealot can run all 3
Yeah sure
hahaha
no
they get the rework next precisely because everything but the one build is so bad
Book zealot and fotf are both very viable AT LEAST, so is IJ and piety
it's fine
some nodes that are useless but otherwise nothing outright incorrect
At the end of the day tho we are comparing eh with eh
except the fact that you have a wound curio
Could be way better
Book stealth and dash all are viable. Same for end perks. Martdyrdom zealots exist, movement ones exist and extra crits also viable so zealot
literally no class in this entire game should ever use a wound curio (Except zealot and only if you're running it for the funny builds)
Okie doke. I can change that for the toughness curio. what are the useless nodes you speak of?
Yeah tbh
Vet is definitely more tied up
absolute nonsense
VOC and maybe stance?
@slow spire
Circled in red is things I would recommend just not using
green is things that are 100% fine
but you have the choice of swapping over to something considered "more meta"
P good
like, not using chainsword because its ass
Things that go away;
Only in death does duty end
Deadshot
Get back in the fight (swap to catch a breath)
Target down (can be swapped for redirect fire since you dont use deadshot no more)
Get;
Demolition team
You have 1 free talent for your liking after all this but i would have to write an essay on this and i don't wanna; i prefer to show if you wanna 
exept on arby... and not the XIIIg mark to begin with
what makes the IV better than the XIII varient? it loses damage on the heavy attack and changes one of the aoe swings to a single target.
Can show ya in the vc & talk about it & the vet build in general if you want; the problem is... i have pots to attend to in the kitchen for now so i will note ya once i'm done (will take some time; hungry)
sure thing 😄 actually hungry myself
Chainsword
Stealth is too taxing same with vet 
Also you have a lot of balls taking revolver without WS
Book and stealth are poopy as well
Book is not poopy
Maybe with the rework they’ll be good
Reworking coming in 2028????? 
I’m not gimping my damage to keep my terrible team alive for 2 more seconds
I gotta stop attacking to use book
If I could attack
It wouldn’t be bad
Nice to turn the game off like ds tho
The baby mode
Ok what is it tho
Is it bad or does it make the game ez
You kinda gotta pick one xdd
Both
Billions should behave as a doomer around their teammates
Not how it works
Yes sir ds vet sir!
Xir yes xir
yuo are woke xir
Book is completely contradictory to Zealot's playstyle
The only reason people take it into Havocs is to babysit your team with golden toughness and CC crusher hordes
Yea
Doesn't mean it's bad, just lame and babymode and stupid
darktide dps brain
support tools = baller
I’m the support tool because everything is dead
And there’s nothing attacking mah team
I will say vet is better than zealot at support
you say that, but im not sure you are enough to keep the game calm and controlled through force of killy
Look at born leader
Yeah
I suck
In fact I’m ass
listening to Tanner Lindberg in the big 2025 🥀
Anyone know how to get good
No,
Sure it gives safety to the team but it drops Zealot's damage tremendously
Zealot is always at the bottom of the damage charts in Havoc, and the majority of it comes from the Flamer 💀
I never listened to him lol
Jeez I wonder what's better
4 dmg or 3 dmg + 1 good cc
I should use hsword in havoc
worth
hey I end up 2nd or 1st top dmg most of the time in H40 while using book
Can't catch My swag (bolter)
Then they are trash
in some cases yes; same for zealot in vice versa; both are amazing 
its like comparing rice to potatoes; both are great 
True
and both are a side dish
You're telling me practically everyone I play with is trash then ;_;
Yes 😈
Welcome to the club
i do; its great
And I get 0 merit for being skillful and dealing high dmg???
;(((
unless you face a mauler 
If you are playing Psyker and you are not doing over 40% of the teams damage
Trash
If you are playing Vet and you don't represent 80% of the team's Specialist kills
Trash
If you are playing Ogryn and you don't have the lowest damage taken
Trash
If you are playing Arbi and if your scoreboard isn't a golden wall
Trash
Isn't vet supposed to be the one with least dmg taken
Y'know with all the toughness resistance and regen and highest number
Idk my vet is swag
Highest elite/special, highest boss dmg, highest dmg
And somehow My team loses because they decide to play bully club ogryn, arbites with shield and mace, and psyker that doesn't deal damage
2 million dmg and team loses anyways :DDDDD
Billy club with skull crusher and thunderous is amazing
It is but for some reason 9/10 ogryns that run club are braindead
I love Havoc 40
I can't wait to join a team and have 2 people with 40 assignment do absolutely nothing for the round
I put points into anything because I’m too lazy to read and no I will NOT take feedback I wanna enjoy my shit build
Once I'm back Home I'll fucking share a screenshot of one of my latest scoreboards
It made me mad how much I pumped out and how little my team did
And you won't guess who did the least (obviously the arbites cuz all arbites players are trash in Havoc)
I don't get how people can die tho
With Arbites
Outside of the complete DT™ moments
I see people just fumbling, and these fucks have a h40 rank
I’ve lived surrounded by shotgunner, reapers, and 30 gunners all laying into me
sometimes a plague ogryn knocks you off a cliff
but otherwise it takes actual effort to fuck up as an arbites
Yea a DT™ moment
But outside of these you shouldn't really die as arbites
they gravitate towards stuff that hard carries them through high difficulties
I love pickaxe on ogryn
Marty book zealot says "no"
I've topped boss damage numerous times on book zealot with a Mk3 knife lol
On h40. It's very possible to be a damage dealing book zealot. You just have to accept that you can't have all the uptime in the world on chorus.
Meaning you actually have to have a team that also knows what they're doing so you're not always having to babysit them with golden toughness.
But that's, kind of the issue.
going to the Refinery and you jump down from the sewer onto the rail, and see 12 barrels and the music of a plague ogryn and you know 2 people are gonna die
@slow spire Ay man; i am available; are you up?
This
Most book uses should only have 2-3 pulses
Not all 7
It works™
Helldivers Tomorrow
You generate time with book; by pre-canceling you rob your team of that reprieve not to mention stunning bosses (basically anything) longer for your team to give free dps without worrying that they get smacked in the back
Ofc I normally go for the full book on situations that need it silly
Dumb papa
Cancelling is good if you know your team won't die
+you don't generate Golden Toughness to its fullest so your team is less tanky cause already ppl use the call (30% dmg) over holy (40% tdr)
imo you should never do UNLESS the almost dead teammate (on the ground in that meaning) is about to die and you have to pick him up cause other can't or refuse to
dmg is the better one cuz everything around is staggered asf and probably not going to damage you to begin with
it starts to be active AFTER you channel not during it
so no
satisfactory moment of the day: stun combo a DH from Frag into shout to reenact the "300" movie kick as my Vet goes "Put the karking foot in", fitting the image of kicking it off a cliff
Close enough
why ppl want to not use full chorus? next you will tell me is that ppl want to waste ammo on poxbursters when a shove save ammo and cc enemies
They want to use full chorus
1 word; tomfoolery
im good now. apologies.
shenanigans even
make sense, we rejects are the Emperor's most loyal clowns
@slow spire https://discord.gg/K2nkCgwg
me when i want the BoN to step into my trap (its still chasing the zealot that doesnt know how to retreat anymore)
TIME TO EMAG THE DISPOSAL UNIT
Disposal unit - kazoo cover
Everyone will be coming out all smiles
Hey guys is there a build someone can help me survive havoc difficulty that relies on toughnesss and dps?
What do you think the most fitting ranged weapon for commando?
i.e. vet with infiltration?
for melee it is clearly knife or devilclaw
isn't there a vet build that uses none of the keystones, idk I'm just spitting shit rn.
Vet commando?
I can go commando 😏
What’s the build and can it survive havoc?
I'm sick of meta shit, vet shout is so boring.
I just love the way vet plays and looks
It's five.
Because you want to proc the damage buff.
Run invis and ES instead 
That's why you don't.
Then the thing pulses 7 times
If you leave it by itself
For some reason...
And if you cancel it at 5 it doesn't proc
like most generic fps character?
Oh yeah. That's a bug. Sometimes it registers at the sixth pulse.
Tbf vet gets a shit ton of equipment variety
I think it's a netcode thing.
Bet
But yeah with chorus, you want to ensure that 30% because that's what really puts that damage output up, especially since it also affects dots too.
Chorus
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Marty Chorus fun
I recall the last game I played with the build I use and someone asked in voice chat "how the fuck is the chorus zealot topping the ogryn in damage"
If it’s a rumbler Ogryn then I think I know why
Lmao
I’m just saying there’s a stereotype for a reason
Rumbler schmumbler
Honestly I'm getting to a point where rumbler ogryns are on that same level as arbites for me where if I see them in a Havoc lobby, I'm assuming they probably aren't gonna play well.
BEWARE!
Because I played with a grenadier gauntlet oggy the other day.
I use rumbler on ogryn whenever I'm asked to run ogryn.(I am like true level 50 on ogryn and don't have many loadouts for his weapons.)
Anyone can play a class poorly nothing new there.
Good lord that big boy was on to something. Bosses were a complete non issue
It's that it's so overbearingly powerful that it instills bad habits in their play that become much more prominent in a high tension environment.
It's the reason I'm pretty sure I can't get into a Havoc lobby nearly as easily with arby anymore lmao
I haven't seen an arbites in Havoc in a while actually.
I played a havoc 40 lobby with two arbites the other day.
Man sometimes they just don't pull their weight
GG honest player
Well yeah like I swear, I've had arbites sabotage games from my perspective more than any other class because they just play so unnecessarily aggressively and rush.

There are rushers on every class
Always first to die I swear.
Sorry
Sorry was me
Smh fyrestones out here sabotaging my games.
True. But I've noticed it far more with that one particular class.

Nothing to argue about here
Arbitrators self-reliance with the cyber-mastiff does not make it obvious when you overextend
GG players tend to be the Silent God stereotype
Mistakes aren't punished as quickly
Completely shut down bosses from existing or hordes when they become an issue
Like a good arbites who knows what they're doing? They can be an absolute monster.
Some people get too comfortable with power creep and such tend to get overconfident and die then leave
But that isn't the norm because the class is just so strong that people who tend not to know what they're doing crutch on how powerful it is.
I get overconfident sometimes lol I main zealot
Why you should play weaker weapons more frequently
Trains good habits
And how to deal with things when you lack a get out of jail card
When I hopped off of Arby I was washed
And because it's that strong, those very people gravitate towards the class.
Me when I run a bit ahead of my team to make sure there's nothing major ahead just to lose 30 hp to a pack of light gunners.

Yeah dats why i love tac axe now
Dunning Kruger be damned.
Running a bit ahead can also be dangerous because you trigger stuff
Outside of that
I used to be knife only
I know boss triggers and stuff.
But then I fell in love with the hsword
Usually don't push that far
Besides I prefer fucking over ragers instead of Le instantly killing an enemy
Because I don’t like rager swarms being a death sentence
this is exactly why u should chainsword 24/7 in CIVI
no stagger
no carapace dmg

Truth nuke
5s to kill a single crusher
Chainsword vet havoc 40
You should always run dog shit weapons to make sure your skills are top notch.
single target crutch, not difficult enough
Mb
u should use bloodthirsty and never activate
I started playing the mk4 tac axe on zealot and is pretty stupid
Best taxe mk tbh
Mk4 isn’t even that terrible
Mk7 is the most flexible
bloodletter is actually valid for chainsword on arb
Well I mean it’s Arby
Do we need to elaborate at all
Lmao
Arby turns it into a useable melee
I disagree with this notion but Mk7 is still hella good so I'm not arguing.
Mk4 is the “weakest”
I’ve found a unicorn today
Cause it’s light spam
(it's still just mid)
Yeah I think it's the easiest to use.
That uppercut is no joke.
Yeah I wish it was on 7 tbh
Ok but how do you deal with hordes on taxe in havoc I heard brutal momentum stops working in 40's.
That's the primary reason I like it over 7.
How are you building it?
Abysmal to mid truly a jump
Hell there’s quite a few weapons that are dated that could use something
Mk 7 with decimator and head taker. Flak carapace.
with the exact same setup to make chainsword usable, crusher kills h40 bulwark in 2 hits after stagger
It's not that it stops working but that enemies are just beefier so while you still get the enemy mass ignore on hit, the other stuff you hit just won't die as often.
Needs unarmored
It's just less consistent for that reason.
And you can swap deci to headtaker again
Unarmoured flak or unarmoured carapace preferable?
Take off Cara
Aight
BM loses quite a bit of value when most enemies take >2 hits to kill
Yeah
It's still okay. But it isn't nearly the bombshell of a blessing that it is in auric.
it's basically relegated to killing bruisers
That why it’s so good on zealot and psyker
Is decimator a trap blessing im unsure how effective power buff is tbh.
Marty mk4 tac axe zealot. Ough.
Good on the mk4
decimator is mid
Mk4 is headtaker - shred or deci
If I don't take BM what is the other alternative
Flak unarmored
Shred or deci
shred, relentless
relentless is basically only ever relevant on boss
but it is higher boss dps than most other blessings
I mean it’s not good nor is it bad it’s just hard to upkeep at high stacks
Especially against bosses.
Shred helps with Bruiser BPs iirc
Tbh tac axe on vet isn’t as strong as it is on zealot, Arby, and psyker but it’s still good
It’s kinda best on arb
Yeah
It’s fucking insane on Arb
It’s so ridiculous
Its basically just Arbs knife
Everything is best on arby to be fair.
Even the shock maul becomes really, really good on arby.
True but tax axe gives Arby moblity
And moblity is what he always needs on his other weapons
I've heard people using agile on taxe.
And it overwrites his shitty dodges
I mean true but that’s the only weapon I genuinely feel it not performing the best on the class
Which isn’t a bad thing
Trap
It’s honestly more of a debuff stick
Unironically a trap
crusher does this better obviously
It’s alr
Idk I think it’s the worst arb melee
It’s really good because it gives you inf dodges but now you’re crutching on it and not using others to boost your dps
It is. Technically. But it's still really good by comparison to how it usually performs
Agile is cool and all but like it’s a huge trap
Fr
Tac axe is best on arb cuz u can skip a bunch of talents
Remember when the force swords had infinite dodges
That much? Why? Skull crusher debuff stick doesn't give it enough merits?
Most things that are normally required for stagger melees u can just skip
Would u play crusher for skullcrusher or shock maul for skullcrusher
Crusher
Literally crusher
Because the weapon itself is still kinda clunky and doesn't hit as hard as crusher
You can? what about concussive?
Everything Smaul does Crusher does better argument
Skip
You don't really need it with tac axe.
You can just stop caring completely about stagger.
Why do u need it
That is a valid argument (hugs me crusher [the weapon])
I mean kinda? It’s free damage with the forceful tree
Not everyone is gonna use forceful. Especially now that EO is working again
So it has particularly good synergy with that keystone.
I’m ngl
And that side entirely since its the side that beefs up crit chance and damage.
I think best melee for forceful is Rashad/crusher
And shield+maul
Everything else is sorta just better with EO
Bonkers keystone
You lose on on that one really good node that gives you toughness on stagger enemy hits but
One node. Lost. On arby.
Like it really isn't that big of a deal.
It’s good yeah but the thing is is arby doesn’t even need crit with a crit reliant weapon
You know it’s fucking crazy when EO alone is making Arby even better than Post Rework Ogryn
And not needing to focus on stagger means there's a ton more options for nodes that are now open.
Look at what you’re saying and think again
It’s hands down the best keystone in the game
Pay2vet turned to be Pay2winhard
Look at the 50 +15% damage nodes
It's too good honestly.
It needs nerfs bad
Most of them u don’t rly need with tac axe
I really don't think they should have given arby that kind of power.
But it’s not gonna happen
Because first off u can just stagger every non-boss enemy in the game
Why do u need concussive to do it
I hate that you’re not wrong
b b b but!!!! but my power fantasy!!!!! bbb bbbbbut it's a pve game!!!!!! bbbut!
Doubt they intended
Well I do love my confident strike on my tac axe
I mean it's pretty straight forward. I don't think they realized how badly this was going to clash with the effectiveness of other classes though.
Target cap will do that for you
You don’t really need it
Meanwhile veteran struggling quite noticeably to perform anything near that, I'm sure they didn't even tested that
Yes let's give a keystone that focuses heavily on elite and specialist killing to the strongest class in the game. And then also give that class wall hacks on all applicable targets so they can kill them first.
I suppose that’s fair
bros, what mark heavy laspistol do you think is best?
You know. The enemy types other classes tend to need kills on to shine.
Sorry, but I hope you stumble your pinky toe into a wall
Great idea Fatshark
Veteran if they quit fucking around and locked in
What’s all held back by its target cap?
Lock in? ObeseFish?!
Blasphemy
Okay veteran does have one thing
Crazy how he has built In confident strike tho
That Arby doesn’t
VT2 is getting a new map tomorrow
Darktide is dead
Ive been using that one bcz I didnt realize there's another one, but why 2?
@tall torrent can i have your tac axe build
Only one

Weapon Specialist at home ah keystone.
Vet has actual team support
Higher dps + better synergy with laspistol blessings
I just wish my ws stacks wouldn't disappear after like 5 seconds
And even that doesn't mean the class does better with it
fair enough
It's 10, wut
Risking delaying it for 10 more years, do we have ANY news on the Vet new weapon? Will it be released in this century?
Rejects don't do numbers
I can’t
Em Oni, ah tuo...Tree! And something
-Sincerely a loyal ogryn
You only need 1 ranged kill and 3 melee kills for the benefits you really need
Anything above 3 with melee is literally just a bonus
Running vraks infantry and getting ten ranged specialist stacks. 
Say goodbye to your ammo.
i just never feel right with the zealot, ogryn is fun if i wanna just throw rocks
You know damn well it’s gonna be radio silent until it’s ready
You are on watch duty if you are free at your vicinity and just diving into horde with chaxe feels better for me than all of ogryn and zealot
Dunno why
#nerfvet
idk zealot feels better with chain axe
It's Silksong all over again, but we must put our faith into ObeseFish, it's Jover
And then the silence will be broken. By an announcement. That will announce the announcement of a new veteran weapon. But not before another announcement that they have nerfed Long Shot. The best veteran node in the game.
Tastes and colors
I dont like zealot much
Feels too much action oriented for me
Bruh
Chorus.
Longshot Nerf will be the downfall of all vet mains
I think longshot not hard to buff
yeah make it no buffs till 100 meters
@tropic notch
Shorten the distance for the buffs. Or make it that there's a base ranged damage increase that scales over distance. Instead of it starting at like, 12.5m if I recall?
Tried it, still doesnt give me the urge to play damnation with like my vet character does, dunno why
For some, honest work of the guard always calls.
Maybe because its harder or I like guard better in my head
I have always wanted something to satisfy my guard hunger in this franchise
Honestly I can't get around not using a Helbore nowadays so that makes me gravitate towards being veteran more.
I love being the sniper.
Just make it always give +20%damage to enemies over 8m away
I love also being good at it.
bolter on every class instead
Take kandrel mark 2 b inf lasgun

And spray
What this?
Nah it's not as stable.
Tac axe
And it doesn't have that same... Feel to it.
Plus it also runs out of ammo way faster.
Do we need meta taxe on a class that folds the game difficulty so easily anyway?
Seems like SUPER overkill
it's a fuckin bolter
If anything, one main reason I love the Helbore so much.
Idk I don’t think tac axe even among top 3 for arb melee
Is because you quite literally do not need Survivalist.
EXACTLY! and I guarantee you it crushes all and everything
You can actually experiment a little bit with other setups because Shocktroop makes Helbore so ammo efficient
What made u think this is a build made for tac axe
Hellbore feels like wasting too much time on ranged
half the time tho survivalist is more for your teammates
((((the ogryn))))
My stupid reading comprehension, I thought that you meant that it was a build for the Taxe
Okay. You barely needing to pick up ammo at all should be enough
If it isn't. That's uh
That's kinda their problem tbh
tru
It’s a build that uses tac axe because tac axe is the best low point cost melee in the game
Just means stop relying on range so heavily.
Even on the Helbore, i very often switch to melee for the stuff I need to melee instead of just shooting at it.
And I say this even for like, H40 because people shouldn't even be spamming their ranged weapon like that anyway.
I put a challenge to myself, complete make every shot count penance with kandrael mark 2 b lasgun(1300 ammo)
Rumbler ogryns be damned. Use your bully club.
Besides, as of recently I've been pretty much religiously using smokes and honestly, the utility those provide, feels actually more impactful than having survivalist or even shredders to me.
At least in Havoc. Because guns are so oppressive.
This still baffles me, don't the ogryns have a talent that lets them have infinite ammo? Why they would need to take any ammo?
Just krump stuff!
when they're spamming it every room for every horde that 20 ammo disappears quickly
Does it work on melee fuck ups?
no it doesnt give infinite ammo and most ogryns dont run gunlugger
it can give them infinite ammo
Melee fuck ups?
Horde on your ass, or a group of elites and you are alone for example
This is a fuck up for me at the very least
It can lightly stagger.
both of those can be solved by shouting and running away
Damn

I've actually clutched runs with smokes before.
It doesn’t stagger ogryns
I think not even ragers? Forgot
It’s a very weak stagger lol
Yeah that's the one thing it can't do much about
Usually I'm in those situations with no shout anytime soon
pop a couple specialists in the horde and then shout ig
Well that's why I like Helbore. H40 gives me a ton of kindling for shouts.
That's why I also use high mobility melee.
Cant it at least confuse the horde for a little bit?
Like knife or tac axe.
It does actually
It's not a long time but it does honestly buy you time and again.
Gunners.
Shit is invaluable under ranged pressure.
Do we have a talent that killing specials reduce ability cooldown?
It's that situation where it isn't useful in auric
yeah it's the one talent you should always have......
But havoc? It actually shines quite a bit because ranged units are a serious problem.
Yeah I hate gunners pinning you down, even if you dont get supressed its still terrible for health or toughness
I didnt live that recently omw to auric, if it happens on havoc might think changing shredder frag with smoke
Which one?
tactical awareness
You also get access to agile engagement.
Which is, very, very, very good.
💀 no
25% melee damage on a ranged kill and vice versa for melee
I think a funny buff to smoke would be if gunners get shooting
but got coded to hit an ally 80% of the time
How many secs?
5
if you've ever used ws it's just more buffs in that vein
ws?
not the guaranteed crit?
Wel
+330% crit chance
I just spray with my lasgun so I dont need crit chance i guess
it's peak with Double Barrel
try it with double barrel or revolver
Why?
Or even Helbore since that guarantees that your next shot won't use ammo.
true
Like, playing double barrel is nightmare on vet for me
And you don't even have to aim for it
Also pistols
swing swing swing BOOM repeat
it's as shrimple as that
I frequently use ranged for specials or even elites
Just like back-off ogryn
Dont like shotguns or pistols on my vet playstyle
A thing I tend to do in a horde is switch to Helbore, immediately press left click to charge a shot to kill a random poxwalker to proc melee specialist.

Quickdraw Helbore.
It is an acquired taste, but is one of my favorite styles on veteran with WS
Manstopper Flechette
you can kill snipers 500 football fields away with double barrel crit
and blow up rager hordes

focus target vets with ping bound to lmb:
Crimes against some rejects
yeah but some people like the ✨ noise ✨
there's a mod that autopings for you, but also applies a cooldown, so it doesn't spam
I actually thought first that focus target needed multiple pings because of the complains against those players
binding to lmb is just unnecessary even if you want to save a keybind
Played some games like that unfortunately
Is more annoying than useful
It's funny because there's a much less annoying way of doing this.
Just bind it to right mouse
Not toxic enough
No nodes on btl?
ya
You really hate bosses
tac axe + boltgun
tac axe pretty meh vs boss
but also like
it's pretty easy to pick up
Is the 15% damage above like something precent of health worth it?
Wouldn’t that be better else where?
Or right bosses
yea it's good
The krag nades make good sandwiches 
With what weapon is that 90% accuracy the easiest
The penance? DB shotgun
U think?
Yeah, even one pellet hitting keeps your accuracy high
If u lie to me I’ll go tell a trusted adult about this…
shotgun
If I lie is because someone altered reality from when I did that penance
DT jank, hit minimum pellets for accuracy that or use the revolver
That’s me btw
I’ll try thanks higui
If you want to 100% guarantee it use a revolver as others have said
Melee build + revolver or shotgun is the easiest, you just spend all your ammo on hits and then don't pick any more up
I’ve done it
Same. Ran a havoc 40 with smokes and no shield psyker. Everyone knew their role and it was beautiful
It's also amazing when you do have shield psyker since you can throw a smoke adjacent to the shield to protect it or throw it after the shield breaks to continue pushing up.
Was playing a h40 on Oubliette with Bushman a bit ago, was playing smoke vet and he had shields and I don't think I've ever gotten past that first part with all the gunners so cleanly before.
That was what really sold me on them tbh

dunno why I didn't ping the first one, kinda
but
game really wanted to see it again
that was infact, a boss. 
I think I saw a second one in there, too. Hard to tell, they just died so quick.
cringe naenae baby pogryn goes to death jail
Whats the hellbore blessing choice now after hotshot is nerf,ed still hotshot?
Your may try surgical and weight of fire
Pretty much surgical and whatever else, depending on your preference
SusFire
I know that it sounds sus
Amogus
Sussy baka

That's what I use now
The ObeseFish has blessed us with no crash patch, is it working now?
Also, they say they are cooking but I wonder what they are cooking
Surgical always
Mk IIIa & V; falter
Mk IV; weight of fire

Thanks!
Im wondering if the faster charge is worth it
What does falter change in the dynamic of the gun? I have used it and the effect seems to be kinda hard to notice
On Mk IIIa its not needed; one cam get used to it & falter gives good stagger breakpoints
Trapper & flamer staggers, charge headshot staggers reaper out of shooting
It is 
Even on the mk5? That sounds neat
Its overall better; the only thing Mk IV does better than Mk IIIa is carapace dmg potential & big target dmg overall
On Mk V i dunno
What about the use of hotshot now that is fair and more balanced?
But on Mk IIIa its is
If you don't like the charge part of helbore, the agri combat shotgun kicks ass
Dogshit
Golly
The bug has been fixed for it meaning it does not scale inversely as it did before & it does not affect your melee no more
PHONE
Hehe
I have wide thumbs
Abominable inteligence moment
I have been using combat shotty recently and it's been so fun with exe stance
I just aim in the general direction and win
Until the one poxwalker you missed sneaks up on you and suckerpunches you to death

I'll be honest, I have died to more poxbursters in this week than anything
So if it 's no longer a carapce killer worth swapping our the perk for carapce onto unarmored? or Manic?
The explosive event is a heart attack and a half lmao
Lets make it a havoc modifier

Maniac always; second i use flak, unarmored could be nice too but i would choose flak cause more enemies have it; you would only take unarmored for dreg gunners & tox bombers
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Its mid at best
You don't enjoy getting flung off the map because people shoot pox bursters?
I love losing all of my health because my team repeated shoots every single barrel in existence
favourite part of the event
With a competent team, sure
With randoms

Playing a veteran and insta dying to the poxburster conga is a classic
me, flying at mach jesus into the void
yeah not even shout protects you
It'll save you against the first 3
After that.... Well...
I did not ran into pepega teams 
Pops only plays with the best huhh
Unless he decides to try and see if he can carry me in H40 again, I guess.
50000 ping demon
Needs Evelyn/Crassus to help as well.
You mean eleven
No. Actual person. @sudden cedar See.
GOLD?!
DETONATOR! I REPEAT! DETONATOR!
GOLD!!!
mushroom.
Yes
We're rich!
No fuel, no drills!
That was used to make a tunnel to lure the bugger.
No miner says this line
Probably related to Doretta tbh.
Doretta says this?
No, the thing you said.
Ahh
I basically modded my DRG so nothing really makes sense.
No, that is something drillers days
Passive aggressive mission control?
I had to uninstall that mod because it was starting to be annoying
Weeb mode. Everything is Japanese.
Oh
What difficulty do you play ?
Any. From snooze to duo elite deep dives.
Isn't that a mod?
they added modifiers ontop of hazard 5
Make shit easier to see and such.
Ahh yeah
I modded it so it's now red and blue.
DRG.
I believe its like orange and yellow
We are talking DRG rn, right?
Yes
But yeah, they look basically the same in low light barring when one decides to fireball me.
Gay
Hm
Nah; i’m an acquired taste of a guy… thats why i’m also single

Both sides have good & bad to it
Yes
I'm colourblind to a degree. Shades are an issue. Put two similar colours in a low light situation and they basically blend.
I see
Or throw a filter over stuff, does the same thing anyway for most parts.
I like to play with low gamma so it is dark
Best I see is the DARKEST bits showing up and everything else is light.
Is why I hate lights out and the 1 wound left filter.
lol
Everytime I do a gun focused build and queue for a quick match, it seems to put me in a lights out game
@unreal nova @covert fable 
@sudden cedar
I just said Papa needs you to carry me.
Hi. I like to shoot at moving shadows that aren't there.
Sure..
@covert fable Play Auric Maelstroms, you will always see what you'll get as a Modifier.
@sudden cedar true
This is a normal game for me
Or in case of Events, the Event Missions of course.
Although, i say this with caution, as people sometimes queue blind into Auric Maelstrom and begin to complain about ammo in a scab only no ammo mission.
Oh? You play at 300 ping as well?
I need ammo.
Extra funny if it's a gunker.
When I am playing with my African friend yes
Guilty
But yes, if 300 ping on normal is bad. 300 ping lights out... XD
No thanks
The man from da bushes mah brudda

oh my god
There is also nobody that plays in Africa so
It is a duo and 80% death rate
Brudda not courage enough
We shall not speak of him
lol
I mean... not many game there, and nobody wants 500 ping guaranteed.
xD
So...
What servers do you play on?
4-6 ping in APAC central. 50 ping HK, 80 ping APAC North, 105 ping APAC South, US W 250 Ping, EU 300 ping.
I can try central Asia, but that's GAMBLING. It's like 70 ping to 500 ping.
Every game, throw a d100.
She's good on most ping.
dungeons and dingus reference
No, Warhammer TTRPGs.
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its okay my team would eventually shoot a barrel and kil me anyways
Preventive measures 
yes
You have disgraced yourself in the eyes of the emperor by giving yourself mercy instead of standing your groud and perish fighting the enemies of mankind.
I die either way

