veteran-class

[torn root]

i think if you are going dog build its kinda difficulty to get out of tough situations but lone wolf with break the line is just brain dead clutching

[unreal forge]

that's what exe stance is supposed to be but here's the thing

https://tenor.com/MNxb.gif

it sucks

[vagrant brook]

Speaking of exe stance is bolter vet with shout actually shit

[hybrid plover]

what

[midnight wyvern]

what

[unreal nova]

You mean, free shock mines.

[hybrid plover]

who the hell told you that?

[torn root]

mines or nades

[vagrant brook]

Guessing they were wrong lol

[midnight wyvern]

ive got some clips for this lad

[torn root]

ive used both you dont really fret because of the CC you have as lone wolf

just cant nuke monsters

[unreal nova]

Mines better for clutches.

[hybrid plover]

run bolter with shout

use all red nodes on bottom

have fun

[torn root]

not disputing that, just saying

i like mines

[unreal forge]

I'm convinced the redditors are in the wrong

[torn root]

legit like both mines and nades hard to choose sometimes

[unreal forge]

either roaming or not paying attention

[hybrid plover]

Nah I'll be real, this is the one case where I understand the complaint

[unreal forge]

or staying behind to fight 5 poxwalkers and then getting lagged

[unreal nova]

Just annoyed at pub arbies dying so quickly at times.

[vagrant brook]

Redditors are always wrong dosent matter what they say

[hybrid plover]

Some arbitrators play like literal morons

[faint beacon]

It’s from Reddit thus it simply doesn’t exist

[hybrid plover]

Normal difficulty and Havoc lol

[unreal forge]

My issue tends to be with psykers

when I was ranking up havocs God knows psykers made my games harder

[faint beacon]

Class that enables people to get away with bad habits on high difficulties being a detriment to the others around them

I’ve noticed this for AGES

[midnight wyvern]

shout vet with bolter is very safe and can just nuke things infront of you

[unreal forge]

what are the bad habits?

[torn root]

i had a game earlier where the guy left us because we were moving TOO fast while he was waiting for mobs to spawn like we aint got plans to get through the mission

[hybrid plover]

Take that and I apply this to arby. I have literally seen arbies sabotage games numerous times.

[unreal forge]

I think it happens to every class but for me I've seen psykers fumble the most out of anyone else ever

[hybrid plover]

Because they decide to push up and trigger spawns they had no business triggering

Or TRY TO DEAL WITH A RITUAL ALONE

[unreal forge]

based

I actually haven't had experiences like that with Arbitrators in my havocs

[tall nest]

yeah ik but why not make it just execution order it fits way more with everything the class stands for imo

[hybrid plover]

WHILE THERE'S WALLS OF CRUSHERS AND BULWARKS

[unreal nova]

Class is broken when you take vet main things to it.

[vagrant brook]

Holy shit I’ve been playing wrong

[faint beacon]

It’s in general just bad habits

[torn root]

i think they can deal with rituals alone idm, ive had some good arbites do this

[faint beacon]

Psyker as much as I despise their ability to map nuke

[torn root]

but if you go down and bitch im flaming you

[tall nest]

The class just allows you to be greedy and play like an idiot

[unreal forge]

people keep saying bad habits but I'm rly curious to what the bad habits are

[faint beacon]

Still has to respect shooter/gunner sight lines

Arby?

Walk at them

[hybrid plover]

not when there's a ton of shit already spawning blocking you off so you can't actually get to the spawn to deal with the daemonhost

[midnight wyvern]

im not saying take Kraks or anything, you can do alot of damage with just the shout and mag dump head but goddamn its funny to watch a boss healthbar just, speedrun to 0

[hybrid plover]

meaning you've just now triggered their aggro and the bar fills up much faster and you can't kill the casters in time

this exact scenario has happened, many times

and every time

[torn root]

me

[hybrid plover]

It's an arbitrator.

[vagrant brook]

I have the bleed grenades I’ll probably switch them out for krak after seeing that

[midnight wyvern]

getting hit because you know you'll just regen whatever damage you take

really not good to take that to psyker or vet

[torn root]

well i have done this and got back to my team, but im play LW, i know what you are talking about -- had one die split from the team

[unreal nova]

Only if Casti.

[faint beacon]

Oh no you can do it with all 3

[unreal forge]

can do that with my infinite uptime VOC

[faint beacon]

you toss Aquila ahead of where you're moving

BTL you use it to rush them down

[unreal forge]

I bought the whole shield I'm gonna use the whole shield

Aquila will NOT save you from gunners lol

[faint beacon]

the insane DR Arby has is no joke

[torn root]

arbites is brain dead and kinda overtuned, even makes your bad habits not feel like bad habits

next to no punishment XD

[vagrant brook]

Question are you on k&b though I used krak before but I had bad aim with them

[tall nest]

This is so real

It's nt a bad habit if i kill everything and take no damage

[vagrant brook]

Can concur I wash dogshit with vet after playing arbie

[hybrid plover]

I honestly don't like playing arbitrator anymore solely because playing it got me so used to not being punished for bad plays that it actually took a while for me to adjust back to another class.

[torn root]

well it is

[tall nest]

always greedy never punished is the classes motto

[unreal nova]

But you can do that on vet as well.

[torn root]

gotta help your team

i havent gotten flamed for ignoring my mates yet

[unreal forge]

It's crazy how different my experience is

[torn root]

but i feel it coming

the class makes me forget i have a team sometimes

[unreal nova]

Even on the meta build except with field improv.

[unreal forge]

My bf just casually plays this game and he got way better on Veteran after games on Arbitrator

I don't see the bad habits argument on our part

[torn root]

i changed back to vet earlier

automatic dog water gameplay

[tall nest]

My fav class is veteran but on veteran i actually have to rely on my team while on arbites my team is there for when a shock trooper grabs me when my ping spikes to 400

💅

[unreal forge]

He also just thinks Veteran is better, and for his playstyle it makes sense

[torn root]

i think it depends on what they were playing

[vagrant brook]

He thinks right best class in the game automatically number one just for the drip

[tall nest]

I think barbie bad habits start appearing when you start using true grit cause that skill will make you greedy by proxy of existing

[hybrid plover]

I am a certified specialist hater and my helbore will see their heads

[unreal forge]

Veteran sits behind team and clicks at heads
Which is what he really enjoys doing as McCree in Overwatch

[hybrid plover]

so therefore veteran is the best for me

[torn root]

THIS!

[tall nest]

Idk how people use helbore

[unreal forge]

I did not find it hard to remember that I don't have True Grit when I play other classes

[torn root]

I HAVE 4 CHANCES TO MESS UP?! like what?!

[unreal nova]

I use it. No diff. I just play like on my vet so only take chip. Is just there like until death, when dook happens.

[unreal forge]

Veteran gameplay is really chill for me now

[hybrid plover]

You see enemy head. Center crosshair to head. Aim. Fire. There. You now are able to use helbore.

[unreal nova]

Or when I need to solo to next rescue.

[unreal forge]

My Ogryn kills the horde, I kill the gunners that try to stop him

it's peak Darktide

[torn root]

also feeling like its hard to make wrong choices on the arbites tree

[unreal forge]

I'm like 90% ranged 10% melee

[hybrid plover]

Because it is.

[unreal forge]

This is what it should be for every class, bad choices implies bad talents which just means... the developers made bad talents

[hybrid plover]

The tree is probably the most well designed out of every class.

[torn root]

as long as you can get to true grit i dont think any tree is actually bad

[faint beacon]

its incredibly difficult

[unreal forge]

Psyker and Zealot tree are full of fucking traps

[faint beacon]

to fuck up an arby build

[tall nest]

Me personally i hate aiming down sights i love the fast paced gameplay of like swapping to plasma shooting the sniper 50m away then swapping to melee to blast the mauler coming

[faint beacon]

like you have to actively think to fuck up an Arby build

[unreal nova]

There's like 2 'bad' nodes.

[unreal forge]

That's a good thing

[torn root]

actually nailed this on the head ngl

[unreal forge]

Hopefully the standard for the upcoming tree reworks

[faint beacon]

3/5 classes you can fuck up really badly by clicking one that looks okay on paper

but is complete dogshit

[torn root]

i feel like there are some actually horrid nodes on the main class trees that should just not exist

why they do i have 0 clue

[unreal forge]

It feels like they finally perfected talent tree making with Arbitrator

even Ogryn looks a tad outdated by comparison

[tall nest]

I think ogryn is the same tho

[torn root]

which nodes?

[tall nest]

Like everything on there is good

[unreal forge]

Arbitrator has a lot more connecting nodes

hold on

[slow sky]

i mean you can take a bad talent decisions by mixmatching talents that are good but dont really work well together

[tall nest]

I never think this ogryn's build is garbage i just think this ogryn is bad which isn't the same as other classes

[torn root]

the only node i think i remember not really caring about was Go Get 'Em

[slow sky]

its just that theres rarely any room to do that in this game because the bad decisions are exactly that, because of bad talents

[torn root]

even enjoyed using retalitory force even with bad up time

[unreal forge]

If Ogryn tree was made today these would be connected

[slow sky]

[unreal forge]

cuz that's how it is with Arbites' tree

[faint beacon]

Can we not

buff the most powerful class in the game further

[unreal forge]

same goes for the talents near the auras

[faint beacon]

please

[slow sky]

ogryn tree structure was bonkers

[tall nest]

REAL

[slow sky]

it got pulled back a bit into this current state

[hybrid plover]

funny thing is that it's not even the tree that's necessarily what makes arby so strong

[slow sky]

some connections that really made the statement of "pathing choices are optional"

[slow sky]

its the values of the nodes

[hybrid plover]

it's just that the values of the nodes are ridiculously beefed up

Why are there so many nodes that just give 15% damage

[torn root]

THIS

[unreal forge]

The way I look at it, the only way that would be a buff is if the talents that isolate such talents are bad

[hybrid plover]

Why is there a node

[torn root]

i had to wrack my brain not trying to take all the damage buffs

[hybrid plover]

That gives you toughness

For breathing

[torn root]

and I STILL GREEDED for the damage buffs

[slow sky]

-# cuz we didnt have more time to reduce them further

[torn root]

walk it off XD

[slow sky]

idc what anyone says

walk it off makes my dick rock hard

[unreal forge]

Because I paid 20 dollars for the class

[hybrid plover]

Even if they were 5%, the fact that there are so many would still make arby strong anyway.

[slow sky]

at most i can accept 4%/s

[vagrant brook]

Are they gonna ever rework the talent tree for vet I can only use guides because it genuinely boggles my brain

[slow sky]

but i love it

[torn root]

Walk it off is actually the most stupidly strong for no reason node ive seen in this game

[slow sky]

id say force of will is waaay worse

[tall torrent]

Yea it’ll be reworked the update after my steam guide drops

[hybrid plover]

That's very reassuring.

[torn root]

force of will i can say is strong but not as agregious

[faint beacon]

Shield plates but at the low low cost of spamming push

[hybrid plover]

Thank you.

[slow sky]

2 days after

[hybrid plover]

Very cool.

[slow sky]

get to work path

[torn root]

still got hit shit for force of will, and that gives it down time, a lot more than walk it off

walk it off has single handedly crutched me by itself

[tall torrent]

If I get to work rn that means vet rework is the literal very next update

[midnight wyvern]

I am, and they track within a somewhat close range lol

[tall torrent]

Because I only have like 2 parts left lol

[torn root]

matter of fact, Will of the Lex is also nasty too

[vagrant brook]

I wish I could have k&b accuracy it’s why I stopped using plasma aiming in console is such a chore

[unreal forge]

have you considered a Xim

[midnight wyvern]

I think thats player dependant

[tall nest]

you guys talk as if every single tree on that classes tree isn't +15% damage or +15% damage reduction or toughness

[vagrant brook]

Probably

[midnight wyvern]

I have a friend that I wouldn't have known she uses controller if she didn't tell me

[torn root]

nonono

there is damage

but lemme count how many noes are just 15%

[vagrant brook]

I don’t wanna cheat but then again maybe everyone else on console does use one maybeeee

[torn root]

8 nodes can give 15% damage, 3 give all damage +15%

and all of them can be taken

[unreal forge]

I like that one that reduces the next hit taken by 15% DR, I always get its Ogryn equivalent too

[torn root]

and you still can have dr and regen

[hybrid plover]

i mean that's not really cheating if you're not using it in a pvp environment where people are meant to use controller imho

[slow sky]

then lets speed it up

[torn root]

there is no pathing to cap damage

[slow sky]

cmon man

[tall nest]

A better question is if they nerf arbites you think they also nerf the shotgun lmfao

[unreal forge]

It's just a PvE game, it's not cheating XD you are playing with players that use mouse and keyboard

[vagrant brook]

Fair if I’m being real I just don’t wanna drop $100 on something like that

[unreal forge]

Hope not

Mk3 Ext Shotgun is one of the best shotguns in any video game I've played

[tall torrent]

I don’t believe y’all can get this done within 2 months

[unreal nova]

Technically bad. Is the 15/30 stacks in the middle keystone. Just annoying to do personally. The then you have the 15% rending on stagger... and rebreather is literally bad habit.

[vagrant brook]

I got thumb grips and they actually really helped

[unreal forge]

nerfing it would be like going from Halo 1 to Halo 2

leave that mistake in 2004

[tall torrent]

I’d actually rather make a less overshot version of vet talent change plans for you guys

Than to work on enemy breakdown rn

[unreal forge]

Rebreather is not a bad habit it's a based habit

[hybrid plover]

mk8 is fine where it is

[torn root]

i used it and its not BAD, just annoying

[hybrid plover]

mk3

honestly

mk3 is in a weird spot

[unreal forge]

Arbitrator design is all about holding space and that's what Rebreather helps achieve

[torn root]

the only 2 upgrades for Terminus warrant that are worth are the 2 side ones

[unreal forge]

Leave it alone.

[tall nest]

yep yep

[hybrid plover]

where it's not the greatest for havoc

but for like

auric?

[unreal forge]

It's a perfectly fine weapon with weaknesses and advantages and it's so good man.

[torn root]

Obstinate and Writh of Judgement just have such poor uptime imo

[unreal forge]

I love that thing so much

[tall torrent]

the entire middle keystone is not worth playing

[tall nest]

It's not a rumbler...

SHHHHHHHH

[torn root]

Dispence Justice and Terminal Decree are pretty decent

[midnight wyvern]

I want to know exactly what build people are running with the Mk3, I want to know what they're meaning lol, I just don't see it when im playing it

[torn root]

eeh, i like it for the shot pistol

[unreal forge]

Scattershot and Deathspitter

[torn root]

middle tree imo is just for the shot pistol

[midnight wyvern]

and the tree?

[unreal forge]

It does 300-400 more damage on critical hits

[torn root]

nothing else

[hybrid plover]

I have seen arbitrators in auric quite literally just turn off the game with mk3

[tall torrent]

Terminus warrant is the literal worst keystone in the game and is worse than not taking a keystone at all

[unreal forge]

Nothing special. I like the +20% reload speed node

[faint beacon]

Terminal warrant just exists

It’s there

[midnight wyvern]

ive only seen it once

[hybrid plover]

Like nothing actually lives long enough for you to interact with it unless it's a crusher or a boss

[unreal forge]

Trust me I can do the same with a Bolt Pistol on Zealot

[midnight wyvern]

before EO got broke

[hybrid plover]

No you can't.

[unreal forge]

Auric just has ammo up the ass, you never have to go melee

[torn root]

it exists so i can have a total 40% reload speed on my shot pistol

🙂

[faint beacon]

Not even… Old Reliable… marksman focus…

[tall torrent]

It already reloads in <2s I don’t think any gun on arb rly wants or can afford reload speed

[tall torrent]

I’d play marksman focus over terminus any day

[unreal forge]

20% reload speed buff is a 20% DPS increase

[hybrid plover]

Terminus

May quite possibly

[torn root]

it is the weakest keystone maybe but its still useable imo, ive been enjoying it even when i should be going forceful

[unreal forge]

easily the worst keystone in the game

[hybrid plover]

Be the worst designed keystone in the game

[hollow ibex]

meanwhile me taking reload speed on nearly every build

[tall torrent]

It’s actually abysmal dogshit because it trades stacks on hit, not on attack

[faint beacon]

WS if it was bad

[torn root]

oy

[faint beacon]

That’s TW

[tall torrent]

U hit 18 guys with a single melee attack and u trade away 18 stacks

Literal abysmal dogshit

[torn root]

YOU LEAVE MY FAVORITE MARKSMAN FOCUS OUT OF THIS!

[hybrid plover]

Quite literally yes

[unreal forge]

I want to play with TW's buffs soooo bad but they only last for 2 seconds

[tall torrent]

2s is being generous

In 2 attacks u lose all buffs XD

[unreal nova]

This is what I mean. GL getting the 30 stacks thing tbh.

[unreal forge]

they need to just turn it into a timer

[torn root]

if they did change it to hit it would overshadow so much, but again, its only purpose imo is when im using the shot pistol and want 40% reload speed

its the one highway node on the entire tree

[tall torrent]

It currently works as trade stack on hit

Which is why it’s abysmal dogshit

And worse than not taking a keystone at all

[torn root]

i know, but the reload is meme worth and is funny to watch, im not saying it couldnt use a buff

would love it

[faint beacon]

The only reason you’re pathing down middle anyways is for Monstrosity Hunter as a talent

[unreal forge]

I never take that one

[midnight wyvern]

just running flak/maniac?

[tall torrent]

If it worked per attack it’d at least not lose all stacks within 2 attacks

[hybrid plover]

probably ya

not like you need to run that with melee for arby

[torn root]

sadly the only other thing terminus warrant does is enable me to kill snipers through crowds with the shot pistol

thats it

XD

[unreal forge]

I run flak unyielding on mk3 ext because I like shooting pogryns and burgles with it

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[torn root]

But i like it for flavor

[faint beacon]

On enemy hit

Teehee

The stacks magically disappearing the moment a poxwalker horde arrives

[torn root]

also I feel like it could make the bolter more disgusting with LW

IF

it wasnt as bad

[tall nest]

just equip shotgun it also does that

lmfao

[torn root]

i actually love the shot pistol

[unreal forge]

I think there's probably only like 2 guns in the game that suck at killing snipers if you exclude Ogryn

[torn root]

the block is nice XD andim weird

[unreal forge]

braced autogun and uhhhh uhhhhhh

[tall torrent]

It’s not remotely as good as EO

[torn root]

again

not saying that

its a high way node that is a keystone

[unreal forge]

only requirement is that the gun shoots one projectile straight. Minimum pellet count does the rest of the work

[tall torrent]

Terminus is not even particularly strong in its effects lol

[torn root]

if dispense justice was not a keystone modifyer for my current favorite weapon i wouldnt even look at terminus warrant

and still its trolling when i take it

but only mildly

because op class is op

[tall torrent]

I don’t think reload speed is ever actually that important for arb’s ranged weapons

Besides boltgun but u can’t afford it most of the time

[unreal nova]

At least forceful has a funni bully crushers niche.

[unreal forge]

Forceful my beloved

[tall torrent]

Forceful exists to have a reliable 10% atk speed and cleave boost

[unreal forge]

I've been having too much fun with a working EO the past few days tho

[torn root]

i mean going from 2 second reload to 1 second reload doesnt seem like much -- until you realize you were trolling and your team is bad and you gotta clear specials

so the run doesnt end

[tall torrent]

Also the impact changes some weapons’ stagger breakpoints but not by that much

[torn root]

that 1 second

feel fantastic

remove it from being a modifyer

[unreal forge]

noticeable on ragers lol

[torn root]

put it close to forcful

matter off act

make it a foceful modifyer instead

[tall torrent]

3 talent points just to reload gun is an unreal level of investment lol

[torn root]

2 points to meme because there is no punishment

[unreal forge]

and also a whole ass useless keystone

[torn root]

never not taking judicious efficiency

[tall torrent]

1 judicious efficiency
1 terminus warrant (wasted)
1 dispense justice
3 total

[torn root]

judicious efficienCy is MANDITORY

its actually one of the nodes I will actively call ppl trolls for not taking

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s just mid

[torn root]

and its attached to another banger

[tall torrent]

Volley adept but worse

[hybrid plover]

nah

[torn root]

imma start calling yall trolls 🙂

[hybrid plover]

like it's nice

but i'm not gonna say it's mandatory

[torn root]

fine not mandatory

but still, very little reason i can find not to take it imo

[hybrid plover]

there's like, so many other nodes it contends with

[faint beacon]

EO is right there

It’s wall hacks basically

[hybrid plover]

if you're going more gun heavy, ya i see a reason but like

it's really not that important for a lot of arby builds

[torn root]

since im assuming most are going for Execution order

what last node is competing with it?

[faint beacon]

Forceful

[hybrid plover]

Dude have you seen the bottom of arby's tree?

[torn root]

can't go both

[faint beacon]

Forceful is the heavy melee focused keystone

[faint beacon]

Stagger = 500000 billion buffs

That is the lower section summarized

Lmao

[torn root]

you not wrong

[unreal nova]

Just swing at things.

[hybrid plover]

every crazy ass node that arby has on the bottom in terms of damage, impact, cleave

what judicious efficiency offers

[tall torrent]

A lot of reasons

[hybrid plover]

is reload speed

that is a really hard sell honestly.

it's consistent reload speed

but even then, like... there's just, better things to take that point on imho

[torn root]

okay so the argument im hearin is when you go forceful

which i can agree to

but kinda feels like a free node on execution order

[hybrid plover]

that point could go to something else even if you don't go forceful

even eo doesn't really need it

[torn root]

we wont talk about needs because there arent really nodes that you do

[hybrid plover]

no i mean

[torn root]

1 sec

[hybrid plover]

you literally do not have to take it to get to eo

[tall torrent]

Nah no way

[torn root]

i mentioned it as a last point

[unreal forge]

idk about you guys but reloading my shotgun 27.5% faster is cool

I'll take it every time

[tall torrent]

EO is best with like 4 subnodes lol

out of the 5 it has

[unreal forge]

I just pick crit and cdr

the others idrc for

[torn root]

well in the arbites chat ppl were saying the kill nodes for EO were kinda unneccesary

Malocator, Keeping Protocol and not Farbehind are the ones ppl all agree should be taken

[tall torrent]

basically run this if u have dog

[torn root]

the crit one i see pple more like 40 60 on

[unreal forge]

crit is mandatory

[tall torrent]

crit upgrade is good pretty much all the time

[torn root]

no

[unreal forge]

same with cdr

[torn root]

not mandatory

but it is good

[unreal forge]

why would you not want more crits and more crit damage

[vagrant brook]

Is it worth getting rid of the dog I felt like a genuine tank when I took lone wolf

[unreal forge]

there's very few nodes that compete with that

[unreal forge]

Both are great

[torn root]

okay well let me explain the issue which is why i agree with the ones that dont like it

you have to shoot other shit

to use it on the guy you want it for

which means time spent shooting and pissibly reloading during monster fights

[tall torrent]

just kill highlighted enemies which are elite and specials anyway

[unreal forge]

Dog keeps your buffs going for greater uptime, you can focus on defense or simply not have anything to kill, but your dog will pounce some poxwalkers and keep your buffs going anyway

[torn root]

you dont really have all the uptime in the world with that crit especially on bolter unless stance is up

[unreal forge]

erm

in havocs every single specialist and elite is marked

[torn root]

well thats a lie because of the internal cd

[unreal forge]

it's only 3s

[torn root]

but i can see why ppl opt out of it some times which i agree with

[tall torrent]

nah there's not rly any reason unless the game spawns no specials and no elites

[unreal forge]

point is that Havoc will have a lot of specialists and elites marked all the time

[tall torrent]

8s duration is very generous

[unreal forge]

there's just a lot of patrols

[torn root]

not a dog main, but this was a convo they had in the chat yesterday even

[tall torrent]

the only EO upgrade not worth is rending

all 4 others worth taking 90%+ the time (assuming with dog)

without dog then u take the 3 on the left

and skip NFB

[unreal forge]

the dog one could be fun for a movement speed build

[torn root]

well you cant take them without the dog

lmao

[tall torrent]

for some reason u can

idk why it's not locked for lone wolf builds

[torn root]

on the website yes

not in game

[unreal forge]

take that +10% movement on elite/special kill, +10% for dog pounce kill, +15% movement on ranged hit

+5% sprint speed on slide

[tall torrent]

tac axe + boltgun

[unreal forge]

bro skipped 25% DR

[torn root]

thats with the dog

lmao

also wtf

[unreal forge]

bro skipped 10% toughness on hit

[tall torrent]

yea, I have a separate build with lone wolf

[unreal forge]

bro skipped both BTL subnodes ok wtf

[tall torrent]

yea not needed on tac axe

[unreal forge]

weirdddd

[torn root]

do dog players not take serrated maw?

[tall torrent]

tac axe is basically the economy melee now lmao

u don't need like

most things

[torn root]

the more i read them yea i can see reason not to take the reload

[unreal forge]

no it's bad

[torn root]

with the shotgun im taking that shit tho

the reload speed

[tall torrent]

if u want dog to do real dmg the bleed upgrade is worth it

[tall torrent]

nah

[unreal nova]

Oh, I take it on my H40 build.

[tall torrent]

ext shotguns u can fire as soon as a round is loaded (faster than combat shotguns)

the difference in reload speed is pretty small

[torn root]

1/5 faster reload for my withering fire!

leave me alone!

hehe

[tall torrent]

withering fire is like

flex pick imo

[unreal nova]

So doggo hangs off bosses and disco ball make oggy stronk.

[tall torrent]

if u can afford target priority it's better most of the time

[torn root]

okay blessed armament is like a bolter pick only right?

[unreal forge]

what is that

[tall torrent]

what's blessed armament

[torn root]

the on kill reload during castigator stance

10% of the mag per kill

[tall torrent]

u don't need any subnode for castigator

[torn root]

1.5 sec cd

[tall torrent]

none of the 3 is worth it

[unreal forge]

castigator subnodes r trash

[tall torrent]

BTL has better subnodes but u don't have to take them either

[torn root]

break the line has beautiul subnodes

[unreal forge]

this is the biggest troll talent ever

[torn root]

im asking

lmao

i dont use that side of the tree

[unreal forge]

20% reload speed will let you have a lot more uptime because of that stupid 1.5s cooldown

[tall torrent]

the only castigator subnode that's good is WoE but this is like extreme niche havoc minmax cuz otherwise u don't even get enough value out of it

[tall nest]

you take that side of the tree when you want to play auric and under with the shotgun and hold W and M1

[tall torrent]

they're ok

[tall nest]

That is the only situation

[tall torrent]

but not required

[torn root]

well ive been playing auric with terminus and forceful

terminus was basically doing nothing but giving me reload tho

[tall nest]

But also yeah just the 20% reload speed node is enough lmfao

[torn root]

and forceful is nice but i never really got hit until entire team was dead

[unreal forge]

Are you really laughing your ass off

[tall nest]

Yes

[tall torrent]

CfC (for BTL) is pretty good but not required, depends on how u use it most of the time

[unreal forge]

I find that. Hard. To believe.

[tall nest]

[torn root]

nah

[tall torrent]

the CD one is not as good as EO's CDR upgrade

[torn root]

gotta take cfc and the 2 attached ot it

they are just good for clutching

[tall torrent]

the 7.5m distance upgrade is actually pretty cool but takes spending 2 points to get to

[unreal forge]

I am never not taking both BTL subnodes

[midnight wyvern]

congrats on the promotion

[torn root]

taking either of the other 2 without the range is kinda bad

[unreal forge]

the range is useless

[tall nest]

what did i get promoted to ?

[torn root]

no its not lmao

[tall nest]

Am confuse

[torn root]

you get out of bas situations

or on top of enemies with it

[midnight wyvern]

not grey

[unreal forge]

you get stopped on contact with elites anyway. Also, you can make up for the range by taking one step

[tall nest]

Oh yeah am not grey anymore

Am i allowed to shit post now

[midnight wyvern]

yea

https://tenor.com/view/i'll-be-blunt-with-you-blunt-gif-17728238619641319735

[unreal forge]

the only situations I ever find myself thinking I need more range is when I needa get outta bomber fire xd

[torn root]

exactly

you want it when you gotta clutch

[unreal forge]

but like, just walk anyway

[torn root]

and that happens quite a bit

[tall nest]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-zelot-zealot-darktide-zealot-barrel-explode-gif-17452945956086432905

[torn root]

nope sopmetimes you cant

[unreal forge]

that's a 1 in 20 games situation and I never died to it

[torn root]

its ensurance

[unreal nova]

Go general. Or zealot mains.

[torn root]

being able to dash a little farther to thenr es someone is nice

it really is

[unreal forge]

this ensurance is worse than wound curios

[tall nest]

Never catching me on the zealot chat

[torn root]

there are a LOT of use cases

[tall nest]

I hate playing E kitten zealot cause teammates suck

so i started hating the class too

[unreal forge]

Zealot is such ass

[unreal nova]

So, general.

[unreal forge]

FotF needs to be buffed into being giga meta

only way Zealot becomes fun

[hybrid plover]

wot

[unreal nova]

Am not e kitty. Ppl hate my voice if anything.

[hybrid plover]

FotF is actually good.

It's not that zealot is inherently an underpowered class or anything. The build variety just fucking sucks.

[unreal nova]

Fury OP, WDYM?

[hybrid plover]

Fury's genuinely an amazing ability.

[unreal forge]

Ehhhhh

[tall nest]

Can relate

[unreal forge]

I don't see it

It's fun to use, but like . . . it's not amazing

way more fun than chorus

[unreal nova]

Hrm?

[unreal forge]

It did become more fun once I learned that I can auto target enemies with it

But even then for a lot of weapons it wasn't even enough to kill a Crusher

[hybrid plover]

It's not the attack that comes after the dash that's the only benefit. 20% extra attack speed is no joke.

[unreal forge]

Yeah that's the best part

It makes a lot of weapons usable

[unreal nova]

What did you expect from it? Steroids to max so a chainsword can 1 shot?

[tall nest]

Yes

[unreal forge]

I expected the Eviscerator to do it at least

[tall nest]

It should

The skill is called fury of the faithful I'd expect THE FURY TO FURY

[unreal forge]

probably it can with that horrid special attack if you initiate FOTF after starting it

but that requires walking up to it and forfeiting the dash

and also using the horrid special attack

New idea: Keystoneless Zealot

[hybrid plover]

It's possible but

Eh

I like my mortyrdom

[unreal forge]

You have but a fraction of Zealot Saltzpyre's power

[hybrid plover]

honestly, speaking of zealot, i kinda wish they made it that the subnodes didn't take five god damn pulses to proc on chorus

[unreal forge]

They needa take chorus out the back and shoot it

Just rework it into Warrior Priest's bubble bro trust me

[tall torrent]

nah it's pretty situational
it's mostly a "feel good" pick

because the most applicable use of BTL is into elite mixed horde

and it staggers 5m in front

[unreal nova]

Or see crushers, ram shield into crushers.

Or just ram a mutie about to hit a teammate doing minigames.

[tall torrent]

can u spend half a second to read

[torn root]

friendly convos are friendly

[unreal nova]

Elite mixed. I'm talking only crushers because the game decided 14 crushers is great.

[unreal nova]

Nothing is friendly. It's the internet. Hostility from a hostile place. Being nice only gets you targeted. ||/j||

[torn root]

did you read that before pressing enter?

[unreal nova]

Why do you think I don't remember codes? Thing with a net works just fine anyway.

[unreal forge]

even Ogryn remembers their names

[unreal nova]

It gets the info over. Simple.

Oh, this is normal.

[steep flower]

You’re definition of ‘normal’ is abnormal at best

[unreal nova]

Everything is normal.

||Right?||

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-burger-nom-eat-hungry-gif-26634146

[muted peak]

Skitarius? Whats that?

[azure narwhal]

Auto-Combos. You click an input and it plays out a specific string of moves for you

It can also be used for weapons that need a lot of spam like the heavy laspistol

[muted peak]

WHAT

We have something like that?

How can I download it?

It would be awesome for me on comba required situations

[sonic pecan]

I'd use the internet personally.

[muted peak]

Is that a mod?

[solid talon]

Hey guys I forget. Is the re-fire on hold stuff for things like burst fire rifles still a mod only thing or did it get added into the game? (I kinda can't check cause I'm away from home)

[steep flower]

If you wanna play AFK games then go for it; darktide ain’t one of them

[steep flower]

Ofc; and a pathetic one at that

[solid talon]

I just want a way to make it so I don't need to click a billion times super fast with my lasgun when stuff gets hairy

[azure narwhal]

Nexus mods like everything else. If it's your first time just read instructions about the mod loader, it's what you have to download first

[plain osprey]

And then there is me with 0 mods, im just built different

[steep flower]

Then this game ain’t for you mah boi

[solid talon]

Recon lasgun my beloved lmao. I'll manage

[azure narwhal]

I mean

Macros have been around since the dawn of time in gaming

I'm surprised people are this surprised

Skitari is literally just that but dumbed down for players to use

As long as it's up and running, everything is just a debate of your personal moral compass

Everyone has bias

For different reasons

I do my own combos because i enjoy it

But i coudln't care less if someone automated everything i do

That's an example, but that's a personal opinion of mine, not a fact

So is this whole situation

[grand perch]

I debated installing that mod that automatically does the mini games for you, because after 2600hrs i am just sick of them. I didn't end up doing it, felt too cheaty

At the same time I got insulted for using a dodge counter

[mortal aspen]

it's crazy how borderline cheat and automation mods are allowed in dt, but vt2 can't approve a mod that makes bots slightly less rejected

[grand perch]

There's just no consensus

[torn root]

ngl when i redownloaded this game i made sure that none of the mods where anywhere to be found

they actually ruin the game for me

0 skill expression imo, not that anyone else has to follow suit

but if ppl respect you less for using them you gotta eat that, especially since ppl in here like sharking on each other over stuff like skill

[muted peak]

Why?

[sudden cedar]

@silver wing And after all that, they still suck at the game.

[steep flower]

Cause its lazy

[sudden cedar]

Turns out, if you no longer play the game but the game is being played for you.. you have no reason to learn how to play the game.

[muted peak]

[unreal nova]

It's true...

[muted peak]

I did not deny it

[unreal nova]

Same for other games, things got nerfed for legit players. Macros got old legit DPS.

[mortal aspen]

World of Warcraft has a 1 button rotation official "macro" now xdd

https://tenor.com/view/idiocracy-dumb-gif-22939957

[torn root]

it also allows you to make your own macro which in a sense is a skill so i think for that game it is fine

it doesnt break the difficulty or challenge of the game

if anything it deepens it to an extent depending on the viewpoint

in DARKTIDE

using macros and add ons will often be viewed as lazy and as players lacking skill -- which it objectively is

im on that side, because im not gunna watch player belittle each other acting like they are nice at the game while being hand held

not that you should be talking badly about each other to begin with

[mortal aspen]

you're kidding, right?

[torn root]

it alleviates it but it doesn't break it -- in all fairness WoW has both macro and micro knowledge

a bad player is still a bad player even with macros, and a good player is better with them i guess

as far as ive seen and known i dont think there are macros for positioning so no, im not kidding

[mortal aspen]

fair enough

[torn root]

mostly say this because i spent a week trying to learn the damn game and gave up when i found out in some cases macros are just the best to use

learning macros as someone JUST getting into coding and understanding computer logarithms it kinda crushed me

watched a 2hr video on macros then quit

[muted peak]

Is there a way to change heavy attacks keybind?

[torn root]

there is a mod

[muted peak]

Can you tell the name

[torn root]

multi keybinds i think it was called

[muted peak]

Thank you

[steep flower]

I top it off with;
If the game plays for you… are you really playing the game or just watching things unfold like in a movie?

[torn root]

i dont use mods anymore but if you type in keybinds on nexus it should show up

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower An apt way of putting it. I agree with that.

[mortal aspen]

do you mean the default macros or the blizzard assisted tool one?

[steep flower]

Options menu

[muted peak]

So funny

[torn root]

making 1 for your self

[steep flower]

Perfection

[torn root]

you can actually code your own macros if you know the language

[mortal aspen]

normal macros are ok. they come with a lot of restrictions and they don't play the game for you

[torn root]

IF you know it

TFT

half kidding

[mortal aspen]

it's just for baking a no gcd cooldown into another ability or something

or putting a damage and healing ability on 1 button contextually

[azure narwhal]

yeah, the way most are talking about this is as if its TAS, which is different from macros

TAS IS the game frame perfect playing for you, and that's the idea

previewing min maxed runs, impossible humanely

[mortal aspen]

yes, but they come with restrictions
you can't make a macro that presses 3 abilities one after another for example

which is what the blizzard tool does

[torn root]

tool assisted speedrunning?

[mortal aspen]

you can't make if\else statements etc.

[azure narwhal]

yes, unironically it's fun as hell to watch

dude

devil may cry TAS

goddamn INSANE input strings

[unreal nova]

The delay means what I see has already passed in a way...

[torn root]

technically TAS falls under macro

like literally

[azure narwhal]

kinda ish

tas is just a pre recorded sequence of macros

anyways

[torn root]

oh, well limiting it is nice

[unreal nova]

Could be possible, but insane luck and skill basically.

[azure narwhal]

yeah, at that point we just call it a day though lol especially in crazier games with it

like the aforementioned dmc

HOWEVER

at the end of the day

it is a player who sequenced everything

[torn root]

so im assuming you cant macro others to be chained 1 after the other

[azure narwhal]

which is where the difficulty comes in

[torn root]

the most ive learned is that i can foce abilities to interact differently based on if im hovering or not hovering a target, as well as for interactions right after casting them in WoW but even that already exploded my head

i like darktide

simple imputs

[unreal nova]

Also, as long someone doesn't try to pass a TAS run as a normal, nobody has an issue with it.

[torn root]

little brain power required

[azure narwhal]

of course, TAS is actually helpful to get an idea of peak runs

when i used to snort dmc each day i used other people's TAS videos to learn how to clear faster

[unreal nova]

Is great to see if a select chain of exploits is worth it or not.

[azure narwhal]

yeh

i get the whole

macro uproar but personally

i just don't care despite me not using macros

since i like clicking stuff

[torn root]

everyone ever to post a DT run in YT and brag about it here falls under this

🙂

[unreal nova]

Is a good thing witnesses are blind, yes.

[mortal aspen]

nope

that's what the blizzard tool is for
it does increase the global cooldown, but from what I read, many people (bad players) actually got better numbers from using it, despite the negative

so it just actively promotes staying bad at the game

[torn root]

wtf

like it increases GCD by how much

[azure narwhal]

Anyways, ping fatshark i need this for my vet!1!!!1!

[torn root]

is it basically playing stylish in a fighting game?

lmao kinda of a funny nerf

but also a buff

[mortal aspen]

25%

[torn root]

nah fam i aint touchin that

[mortal aspen]

so if you have a GCD of 1s, it's 1.25s

[torn root]

25% adds up

[torn root]

this is pretty sad

[unreal nova]

Depends on how good you are at pianoing.

Don't you dare tell me playing an MMO isn't like playing a piano.

[torn root]

but at the same time that commuinity kinda toxic to new players so idk what to say XD

[sudden cedar]

The same goes for Darktide tho, doesn't it?

[torn root]

if others dont help new players they help them selves, and its detrimental

[torn root]

play hwei

or invoker

[sudden cedar]

How many times do i see, admittely reddit isn't great but anyway, a reddit post where someone asks something

[torn root]

then we chat

[mortal aspen]

it is

[sudden cedar]

and 90% of comments is just clowning on the question

and you have to actively search for a useful answer

[torn root]

playing those characters is equivalent to writhing whole sentences for 5 seconds of actual output maybe even less

XD

[unreal nova]

Invoker is memorization. Dunno who Hwei is.

[torn root]

watered down league version

also i meant the OG

[azure narwhal]

Dota and LoL talk... i'm building up peril from my moba days

[torn root]

not dota 2 invoker XD

26 spells

1 for each alphabet

[unreal nova]

That one was cancer. Half the spells aren't even worth bothering imo.

[azure narwhal]

anyways invoker and hwei are very different, peak invoker is crazy management and inputs. anyways, i do have a dota bias

used to main CK

[torn root]

2013-2015 invoker was peak

like actually

[azure narwhal]

i miss old dota

[torn root]

and i main league but playing that dude stole me from the game

[azure narwhal]

if i could go back to old dota somehow i'd play it today

[torn root]

call me CARL the piano man

[azure narwhal]

on LoL, i was a yasuo/aatrox main

[unreal nova]

Wind. Though rusted as heck now.

[azure narwhal]

mid yas top trox

yep

[unreal nova]

Back when she was more pos 4.

[azure narwhal]

what was that new system they added? i haven't played dota in ages

[mortal aspen]

dota 2 is bloated now

[azure narwhal]

something something characters got new skills or something

[unreal nova]

Neutral items?

[mortal aspen]

every character has 10 abilities or something, every ability does 10 different things

[unreal nova]

And the new rng crafting thing.

[azure narwhal]

maybe? i heard it's something knew you can choose for your players, some skill/ability/buff no clue

[unreal nova]

Oh, the facets.

[azure narwhal]

ahhh

facets

yes

[unreal nova]

Less more abilities...

[torn root]

qww-r, wee-r, qwe, d, f, r, d refresh XD

[unreal nova]

More, different playstyles.

[torn root]

shit is crazy just typing it out

and i haven't touched dota in almost 6 years

[azure narwhal]

lolol

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-fiend-gif-18510892

[torn root]

this living menace

i was FORCED to learn him at one point

[mortal aspen]

1x1 sf river or pussy

[unreal nova]

Invis, meteor, emp

I think.

[torn root]

YOU GOT 1

2 wrong

[unreal nova]

Oh, you mean classic.

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/dota-gif-8832364

[unreal nova]

Was thinking DOTA2.

[mortal aspen]

my favorite dota 1 character - Kimahri from FFX

[torn root]

iirc it should be tornado, meteor, deafening blast

could delete whole teams back then

[unreal nova]

Wait... emp is the shock thing.

[torn root]

magnus and invoker were best friends at the time

[unreal nova]

I don't play him much tbh.

[torn root]

yup that's eee

actually an iconic character since other games tried to copy him

league and i think smite both tried

a game thats dead now called dawngate tried too

then we had magika wars

even games like outward copied that system

[unreal nova]

I only know eee, eew, eeq, qqq and wwe.

[mortal aspen]

Elementalist from Guild Wars 2 is basically invoker

[torn root]

the mage character in nightreign is similar i think

[unreal nova]

Off head.

[torn root]

havent touched it tho

[unreal nova]

Not my type. I rather just caster Luna.

[torn root]

sun spot, meteor, ice wall, cold snap, alacrity

[unreal nova]

Or Support PA before they nerfed the memes.

[torn root]

i had spread sheets in my damn brain burned into the back of it

for 1 character

XD

[unreal nova]

Not ice wall, forged spirit.

I think.

[torn root]

spirites is eeq

yeah

my bad

[unreal nova]

I think qqe is wall.

[torn root]

ice wall is qqe

i misread

[torn root]

you KNOW THE BEST PART?

the damn spell inputs were named after the buttons XD

which was always funny to me

[unreal nova]

Eh?

[torn root]

quas, wex, exort

qwe

XD

[unreal nova]

Oh that.

[torn root]

imnot downloading this game, lets talk about something else XD

before bad decisions are made

[unreal nova]

I mean, I only play horde mode now.

Great 80GB used btw.

[torn root]

i have no clue what tha t is XD

80G HOW?

oh

shit we talking about DT

lmao

Mortis Trials are kinda dookie imo

[unreal nova]

I mean DOTA2.

76.5GB used.

[torn root]

oh damn the game is 56 gigs lmao

[unreal nova]

All cosmetics btw.

That's alot of space used.

[covert dagger]

I bet you’re fun at parties.

[tropic notch]

Anyway here is my chud son

If you stand still you’ll get overheaded methinks

[steep flower]

It still could be better

[tropic notch]

I could be wrong

@ path is this true

[covert dagger]

Cause there is absolutely no middle ground between a movement shooter and a cover shooter.

Nuance is for chumps.

[steep flower]

Mirror

[sudden cedar]

Cover is a vital part of Darktide that is ignored by a lot of players

[tropic notch]

I remember ainz was telling me about a vet using exe stance and hiding in cover like it was cod

[sudden cedar]

The same that complain that they can't deal with gunners and shooters

[azure narwhal]

Both is good

Movement, utilizing cover

Much of it as one can do helps

[sudden cedar]

And think that a Psyker Bubble is needed/necessary for H40

[tropic notch]

These are also the ones who can’t slide or dodge

[sudden cedar]

@tropic notch Yes.

[azure narwhal]

I'm taking shriek and inting to do more soulblaze damage

[sudden cedar]

Good on you.

Like, truly.

[azure narwhal]

[tropic notch]

I got “kicked” as melee psyker

[steep flower]

Nope its peak; if you want i can show you whats what tonight in vc

[tropic notch]

They said I was trolling

[azure narwhal]

Unironically, my desire to see bigger numbers and make funny builds beats my desire to support the team

It is what it is

God knows relic zealot is peak

But fotf is my beloved

[covert dagger]

I am the opposite. I love supper classes.

[azure narwhal]

I get it

When you like something you wanna stick to it

[mortal aspen]

I feel like I'm the only person who hates relic blade

[tropic notch]

My support is killing everything for me team

[tropic notch]

Yeah

[mortal aspen]

it's so sluggish and janky

[azure narwhal]

It's why i always give the answer of "play what you're good at"

[mortal aspen]

Psyker greatsword is Relic blade but actually fun to use

[tropic notch]

I hate the evis

[covert dagger]

Don’t let people here hear that.

[steep flower]

Supper?! Did someone mentioned rations time?

[mortal aspen]

arguably even worse

slowdown on lights eww

it's the exe blade from vermintide

[azure narwhal]

My reasoning for fotf zealot on nearly everything. I mean, sure i'm not giving you toughness but i killed the annoying crushers and rushed over to bomb the reaper 40m away that could've hurt you

[tropic notch]

That and it’s just the best skill

It’s uses are too many too list

Crazy people sleep on it

And say stealth and book is better

Looking at you YouTubers

[azure narwhal]

As for evisc, it was the hardest weapon to get used to in my DT journey but i'd aurgue it's still fairly good, has its shining moments. Captains eat shit, anything unyielding eats shit, and you will die quite a few times till you learn how to play around those ragers. My biggest leap was learning to utilise the Mk3 well. Light 1 light 2, block cancel repeat for active fighting

[tropic notch]

My biggest issue atm is getting back into zealot after playing Arby

[azure narwhal]

Hmmm

I hear this a lot

[tropic notch]

Made me braindead

I cannot die as Arby

[azure narwhal]

I get it BUT i do enjoy how fast and violent zealot feels. Arby didn't quite give me that, it's more like an aggressive pusher.

True

There's so much of everything

Though i don't hate arby like some

[tropic notch]

Zealot will outperform Arby in damage

[covert dagger]

Lone Wolf Shield arby is tons of fun.

[azure narwhal]

I don't have a problem with people who like him for how strong it is and main him

It's whatever

[tropic notch]

Me either

[azure narwhal]

[mortal aspen]

Vet > Arby

[tropic notch]

I do wish eo was tuned down

[azure narwhal]

Ah yeah

[tropic notch]

Atm it’s broken

Well they “fixed” it

[azure narwhal]

I'm too uhh, uncaring? for anything of that sort, i prefer forceful despite it being op. I'd rather pick me own target priority

It's why i can never play ping veteran

Too distracted in my own head

[tropic notch]

Yeah I go forceful too

[covert dagger]

Something just ghosts around in my head sometimes when I think about the DT Playerbase.

I don’t know if people still say it, but the complaint about field improv is that it’s “too situational.”

Someone replied that “it’s a situation that seems to happen a lot.”

[azure narwhal]

Lol

[tropic notch]

I never take it

It’s not needed

Nice but not needed

[azure narwhal]

I admit field improv is great BUT veteran is so hard to give up any talent points man

It's just not affordable sometimes

Vet is already hard enough to build

[covert dagger]

It’s not needed. You heard the guy.

[azure narwhal]

Man

How i wish we had some sort of new vet tree

Just something more accessible and different

Vet needs a lot of work anyways

[tropic notch]

The only useful thing is healing corruption and unless you’re letting a dog eat you for 20 seconds or love getting hit by infested trash

[azure narwhal]

I'm losing my mind on shout, but i cannot take it off in good conscience either

[tropic notch]

Yeah exe stance is fun but shout is too good

[covert dagger]

Always reminds me of that super short window in time in WoW where frost mage would have low damage numbers but five every caster insane mana regen.

A lot of the top guilds had a frost mage in their raids.

Randos? They’d boot you.

[azure narwhal]

Yeah gotta say, field improv is super helpful to randoms but to pre mades or even better your friends? Different story, people are organised, no one eats corruption all game without very good reason or critical situations

In randoms, i get the occasional daemonhost, and the guy 40m away getting eaten by a dog

[tropic notch]

My randoms

[azure narwhal]

It's quite different

[sudden cedar]

@azure narwhal I beg to differ. Eating corruption can happen quite quickly.

[azure narwhal]

I'm surprised in hi intensity auric tbh

[steep flower]

AY YO @unreal nova @hybrid plover @covert fable look; found mah grandpas old shovel

[azure narwhal]

Auric is usually fine

[azure narwhal]

It can, but i'd say not in organised groups

Sources of such danger are pointed out and well avoided by a good team

[dawn garnet]

HELLL YEAH

DIG A HOLE NOW

wait no

[azure narwhal]

Try the special attack

[dawn garnet]

restore it

sharpen the tip so it digs better

[azure narwhal]

Dude

Tool and weapon restoration

Is so nice if you have some patience

[dawn garnet]

ye

i wish i had more old shit to restore

[azure narwhal]

I loved restoring old knives back at my grandfather's farm.

It's so fun

[dawn garnet]

theres a cleaver that my grandfather made out of fucking railway spikes and a flat spring

[azure narwhal]

Lmao

[dawn garnet]

its so stupidly thick he must have made it in 10 minutes

[azure narwhal]

Your grandfather may have learnt a few skills from the orks

[dawn garnet]

zero metal removed zero shaping

like i swear to god 5 hits of a hammer on the edge and then welded them

[sudden cedar]

The far more interesting usage of Field Improv is that Ammo Crates gives Grenades.

[unreal nova]

Gonna do something to it?

[sudden cedar]

Paint it Red.

[dawn garnet]

the light in a nuke ogryn's eyes when they get told "we have field improv"

[covert dagger]

Too situational. Not worth it.

[sudden cedar]

Boxes or Nukes, both are good in spicy situations

Go without it then. No one forces you into it.

[covert dagger]

facepalm

[steep flower]

It might be too late; its severely rusted & brittled due to it; just a curio find as i was cleaning the place

[steep flower]

Use it as much as possible then its in the trash; its too rusted to be restored

[compact agate]

Field improv my beloved

[sudden cedar]

How about you turn it into a Krieg Shovel and hang it in your room?

[covert dagger]

All but one of my builds use it.

[steep flower]

YOU are situational

[steep flower]

Ok now i’m tempted

To keep it

[covert dagger]

In mother Russia situations you ?

[sudden cedar]

Maybe even give it a purity seal.

[steep flower]

Much very so