veteran-class

[austere mica]

Most of the game’s combat hinges around it, and there’s no real escaping that

[true moon]

I -can- melee. I just like shooting more. I’d go play vermintide if I didn’t wanna use a gun lol

[unreal nova]

I tried it with smoke first. Wasn't great since ppl get boxed in and then no stagger.

[austere mica]

Darktide has more shooting but not really a lot more

It’s like 70/30 as opposed to 90/10 in vermintide

[barren cave]

im considering dropping 25 toughness and bring it down just to grab grenade tinkerer

[unreal nova]

I shoot plasma into bosses and crusher packs./

So... Lul.

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shock-gasp-what-da-hell-open-mouth-gif-10085839188243199944

[unreal nova]

I traumatise some ppl.

[barren cave]

i find plasma gun boring

i prefer agri shotgun or vraks iag

or bistol

bistol my beloved

[austere mica]

Because it is

[calm shard]

helbore and laspistol for me

[austere mica]

Shrimple as

[calm shard]

ough infinite ammo headclicker guns

(I played Huntsman Kruber in Vermintide 2)

[ivory aurora]

is devils claw good for vets ?

[barren cave]

not really

[calm shard]

nope :)

[austere mica]

It’s not really good anywhere

[calm shard]

not good for anyone really

[austere mica]

Held down by its abysmal ADM’s

[steep flower]

Don’t

[austere mica]

And bad damage

[unreal nova]

It is. I'm just bored so messing around and going for the reaper kills penance.

[calm shard]

it's fighting tooth and nail with the chainsword for the title of worst melee in the game

[ivory aurora]

ok i just wanted to confirm cuz it was not fun to fight with XD

[barren cave]

but i wanna buff my shredders

[austere mica]

It at least has a fun gimmick

As opposed to

Rev

[calm shard]

yeah

a fun gimmick that actually makes it useful into mixed hordes

where as the chain sword sees a lone dreg rager and starts crying

[steep flower]

Learn to funnel enemies & you’ll see you don’t need it

[unreal nova]

But I wanna ignite every barrel in the room and then some.

[barren cave]

Im gonna drop ws too, i just gotta do the penance

trench fighter drill is so annoyingly placed smh

meanwhile arbitrator has wall hacks blitzes and atk speed coming out of it and its dogs ears

[unreal nova]

I still find it funni I crash more on vet due to the buff thing.

Playing with the exact same ppl.

Like, how da heck did the above build go over 45 buffs, I dunno.

[austere mica]

Confirmed kill

[crimson wyvern]

It is really good if you go for all crit nodes but shhhh don't tell anyone it'll be our little secret

[unreal nova]

I don't take it.

I run right side.

[austere mica]

Some other self stacking buff

[ivory aurora]

i see. ill give it another go later thanks!

[crimson wyvern]

I prefer 7 or 1 but choose 5 if you want to start off slow

[unreal nova]

WS? Or Reprocity are the only ones that stack... But not the way you think.

[steep flower]

Hammer of Judgement is good cause it activates when it needs to be; when you have a crowd

Also you forgot about Lone Wolf

[mortal aspen]

this is a melee game
you need to learn how to melee, even on vet

[austere mica]

Read further down

[calm shard]

you may not believe in it, but that doesn't mean it isn't real

[barren cave]

hammer of judgement has low uptime for me too

i take no escape instead

if hoj had higher uptime id take it

[crimson wyvern]

Stagger, impact, stagger strength, impact strength, stun.

These are all mixed in my head completely at all times and I will never sort them out correctly

[steep flower]

Considering other 3 choices is best (unless you are a range hybrid with good reload weapons then the middle one is better)

I meant middle = withering fire

Hitting faster > hitting harder (atleast on arby cause stagger is already boosted by other things)

[barren cave]

same

hoj does read better

[unreal nova]

Problem is, unless you are on horde duty, it barely happens.,

Or are soloing cos your team ded.

[barren cave]

i cant even decide which shieldmaul mark I like better, I think I prefer mk9

[unreal nova]

I like the one with 2x horizontal lights and then 2x vertical.

[barren cave]

uh

does it have the shield swing or the shield stab

[quick fossil]

i heard dueling sword is nerfed soon or something so eh ... i figured i should level alternate weapon for mastery. any other good weapon for suggestion ?

[unreal nova]

Stab on heavy. A swing and a slam.

[barren cave]

yeah I like the shield stab one

[austere mica]

Tactical axe

[barren cave]

the other has one with a shield swing to the left

[unreal nova]

Knoife or Tacaxe.

[mortal aspen]

it's not getting nerfed soon

[steep flower]

Exactly; all depends on your playstyle - i find extra att spd better cause you control & kill the crowd faster and animations are shorter so you can react better (if noticeable for an average joe)

[mortal aspen]

3-6 months at minimum before DS gets adjusted

[unreal nova]

I only reemember lights well cos... XD

[steep flower]

Mk VI is what you’re looking for

[barren cave]

hot take, ive stopped using drive them back unless its shock maul

[unreal nova]

If I had more points, i would go both... But ppl already mad my build is top heavy.

[steep flower]

Nope but considering the ‘for science!’ argument i might

[quick fossil]

I kinda suck at shredder grenade, the timing on it felt too long should i go krak grenade to be safe ?

[barren cave]

no

krak grenade is the worst

[austere mica]

3rd option

Smoke grenades

[barren cave]

also has much worse uptime problems

take smokes

[calm shard]

krak grenade aka throw your grenade just to watch the entire mixed horde die before it goes off

[mortal aspen]

wdym by timing? right click throw under your feet and it'll do good

[steep flower]

Not always needed

[barren cave]

as if a krak grenade even does anything to a mixed horde

[calm shard]

fuze time of "exactly how long it takes for your teammates to kill the enemy first"

[austere mica]

Smokes kinda suck in anything below high ranged presence auric missions though

Not enough stuff to put them to work

[barren cave]

i feel like I can get enough cleave buffs from other nodes

and skipping drive them back lets me get like, monstrosity hunter

or target priority

[quick fossil]

ohh krak grenade sucks and i should just stick with shredder and use them when being overwhelmed ?

[mortal aspen]

spam them at mixed hordes, you have infinite anyway

[barren cave]

also shredder nades with lethal prox are dope

[quick fossil]

I am eh still relearning the ropes in Damnation. Is Catch a breath good to have from survivalist aura or better to have fire team instead ?

[barren cave]

survivalist is the best aura for vet

[junior grail]

By such a wide margin

[unreal nova]

@steep flower

[quick fossil]

Ahh ok. I already penance for that so i thought i get some farm other penance with other aura first

[unreal nova]

I ran that during the rotten armour bs, lul.

[barren cave]

oh for penance

take fireteam if your doing the fireteam penance sure

[quick fossil]

Hmm but yea after penance, i will change back to survivalist i guess

But eh good to know that it is good

[steep flower]

Apart from suppression force & rebreather & strike down this is a great build

[quick fossil]

Man ... kinda hope they make the tree more connected in a skill tree rework. Feels like i am getting punished for switching lines.

[barren cave]

you are

vet tree sucks

[steep flower]

Zealot

[barren cave]

zealot tree sucks too

but at least zealot isnt just a ammo and toughness bot

[crimson wyvern]

how I think it goes

[mortal aspen]

neither is vet

vet > zealot

[barren cave]

nah

id take zealot

fury is more fun to use than just printing toughness

[unreal nova]

Eh, Supression force is fine. Rebreather is to deal with the 50 billion fart clouds then. Strike down is well, you know the 50 billion armoured farters.

[midnight wyvern]

krak grenade timer is even longer lol

[steep flower]

If we compare the 2;
Vet tree is like proper shit
Zealot tree is like diarrhea

[mortal aspen]

did you draw this?

[crimson wyvern]

yes

[mortal aspen]

this should be a proper guide with these illustrations

peak

[quick fossil]

💀 Didn't know that, i just thought it sticking to baddies mean i just have to throw it at them heavy armor baddies

[barren cave]

zealot tree does need a rework first

[barren cave]

thats the concept, it just sucks in practice

[crimson wyvern]

i dont even know if what I wrote was correct so id be useless at a guide

[steep flower]

The middleboi is a snorlax

[midnight wyvern]

you could, but Shredders are pretty short on their timer for what they do, and cover a pretty big area

[mortal aspen]

these would be so cool in the Ogrynomicon

[midnight wyvern]

if you get them underneath enemies it will stagger even bosses

they're very good

[mortal aspen]

Vet tree needs connectors between nodes

that alone would fix it, imo

[barren cave]

id like zealot to get a rework first yeah

loner is kinda strange

also you have to like, change so much just to get the blitz youd like

[mortal aspen]

Zealot tree is awful, forced to take useless trash all the time

[frigid shuttle]

sad but true

[barren cave]

also whatever tf unremitting is supposed to be

[crimson wyvern]

crushers are cute in their own way

[mortal aspen]

Veteran has tax nodes, but they are at least minor useful boosts, not this

I hate windows 11

[midnight wyvern]

why

seems so unrelated haha

[steep flower]

1. Supression force is only useful vs bosses and if you also take concussive; the rest either gets staggered or dies so the talent does nothing
2. Great for pox gas modifier; a trash meme outside if it - waste of a talent (but considering your ping usually i understand the pick)
3. 15% rending does almost nothing for majority of the weapons in arbys arsenal due to already being amazing vs flak and being useful only vs carapace (which if you don’t have DoT dmg taking rending is just wasteful; i even don’t take it for my chainsword build and i tested it - not even good on that)

[mortal aspen]

I took a screenshot and pasted it, except it didn't register and pasted the stuff I copied before that

[midnight wyvern]

oh

[mortal aspen]

and it does this all the time

[midnight wyvern]

def had that happen a bunch yeah

I think its probably game specific but the Windows key + shift + S and then it minimizes the game you're trying to screenshot

my beloved

[mortal aspen]

omg, I hate that so fucking much

[unreal nova]

Well, I usually run it with Bistol... It helped me solo a boss because everyone else died and left me alone with a horde of BS and a CSpawn... >_>

[steep flower]

Now we need a mod that changes crushers into armored snorlaxes

[crimson wyvern]

I was gonna say imagine if they could rest then forgot havoc purples

[barren cave]

we need a mod that reduces the number of crusher packs and makes each crusher stronger, with more movesets

[crimson wyvern]

we already got that shit

[steep flower]

Do you want constant mini bosses? If you do; run havoc

[barren cave]

i want less trains of crushers and bulwarks lol

and for them to just be individually better

spam is lame

[crimson wyvern]

The game just needs more enemy factions/bosses atm.

(and because they've left it so long maps and weapons)

Needs more EVERYTHING at the moment

[unreal nova]

Why do you think I hate the current event so much?

[barren cave]

issnt rotten armor over

[unreal nova]

Have you seen a congaline of 8 bombers in uprising? I have.

[crimson wyvern]

its explosive event now

forget playing gloriana

[unreal nova]

7-8 boomers per wave? Oh boy, also on uprising.

[silver dragon]

I like it when things go kaboom. Do you?

[unreal nova]

I keep being forced to.

[barren cave]

also poxburster audio cues should take priority over every single audio cue

[unreal nova]

6/10 were done on it.

[barren cave]

carapace hordes are whats in the game rn

[unreal nova]

Good thing my GF played like Megumin and runs ahead triggering EVERYTHING.

[midnight wyvern]

I love the immediate panic of some of the people I play with 180'ing and running away very fast from a wall of crushers

[unreal nova]

While my PC has a stroke due to too many explosions.

[silver dragon]

Me with a combat knife versus 1 Mauler

[midnight wyvern]

crusher footsteps

[barren cave]

maulers are cool

i like mauler spam

its not silly like crusher spam

[silver dragon]

I like their voice acting

Darker version of Kruber

[barren cave]

you mean " FOR THE GRANDFA-" then they die?

[silver dragon]

I mean "WEAPONS UP" and they instantly target me

[barren cave]

the sneaky crushers are more acceptable to me than the sneaky poxbursters

[crimson wyvern]

A new faction would unironically solve a lot of the games quirks atm. A new faction that requires you not to be running flak and carapace on everything and requite stagger would mean people would have to switch up builds

[midnight wyvern]

[silver dragon]

Poxbursters have a sound cue tho

[barren cave]

they do, it doesnt always trigger lol

[silver dragon]

Can't be sneaky when you go tick tock

[crimson wyvern]

(also an option to only join games not in progress)

[barren cave]

silent poxbursters are a notorious issue

especially when 8 poxbursters spawn at once

and they do a huge chunk of dmg , possibly to your entire team if they sneak up

[unreal nova]

Btw, that can break on uprising already.

GL on higher diffs.

[silver dragon]

Is that on a high difficulty?

[barren cave]

yes

[unreal nova]

High diff... as a vet... you will be downed or dead.

[silver dragon]

I've only got the three first unlocked as a level 30 vet

[unreal nova]

Depends on how many blows up next to you to send you past the wound.

[barren cave]

i find trapper audio cues are much better now than they used to be

[silver dragon]

Not if my Chainaxe has something to say about it!

[silver dragon]

That woman be loud

[unreal nova]

I saw someone got netted by a silent one after 3 spawned... Also on uprising.

[barren cave]

wait till you play mutant spam on higher difficulties, thatl do things to your ears

[silver dragon]

The sound cues I can instantly recognise are bomber, tox bomber, tox flamer, mutie, trapper, etc

[barren cave]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SLAMMING NOISE x 10

mutie spam is the goat

[silver dragon]

They're so tedious to kill

They can take so much and still live

[barren cave]

everyone should kill the mutie when possible

if you leave it to one guy it hurts the entire team

[crimson wyvern]

old doodle i did

[silver dragon]

Sucks to be me. I tend to wander off when I hear an idol hiss and get slammed MP style

[barren cave]

yeah

everyones suppose to contribute dmg to killing muties

they have very high hp

when possible ofc

[silver dragon]

I like how the pin animation varies on whether it's human or Ogryn

[steep flower]

I like my trapper gf loud

[silver dragon]

Like you have one

[steep flower]

Mean mf

[barren cave]

thats nice on higher difficulties tbh

even if you lose, at least your team tends to play like one

[silver dragon]

If all your teams are bad - it isn't the team usually that's the problem

Just saying

[steep flower]

usually

[silver dragon]

Can't be mean to something that don't exist

[steep flower]

I do

[silver dragon]

You don't

Nobody does

[steep flower]

Cope

[barren cave]

cant wait for barechested dreg maulers to be introduced

thatl be my gf

[silver dragon]

We're all just there

[silver dragon]

Nurgle talk. Mandated edict: Grass touching

[quick fossil]

Maybe not mutant but dogs definitely yea. But it would make ogryn even more op than usual i guess

[steep flower]

I understand dogs but mutants i dunno; they charge at you after all (unless point blank)

[barren cave]

ogryn isnt under attack by the dog, hes been disabled because hes too busy playing with it

gunners should do 1.5x dmg to ogryns

nope

they do?

lemme guess vet takes the most?

[frigid shuttle]

zealot op

[barren cave]

I prefer playing zealot to vet tbh

just because of the mobility, the tankiness, melee dmg

and this is compared to a class that has gold toughness

[silver dragon]

I feel so powerful using the Chorus special as Zealot

You know - when he holds up his relic and CALLS FORTH THE HOLY HATE

[frigid shuttle]

relic blade + agrippa shotgun

[silver dragon]

Exactly!

[teal canyon]

Lasgun be like:
Literally a light - have a recoil
Literally a laser - have low accuracy
Have big number of ammo - not real ammo though
Want you to be precise - have blessings relying on a crit chance
Cant kill hordes - cant kill most dangerous enemies too.
Oh wow a node that give you 10% chance of not consuming ammo!

i specially bought this game for a lasgun.

Expected something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgh43VUqrv8&ab_channel=KarltheDeranged

[junior grail]

If they make the Blessings based on weakspots then perhaps better

But yea lasguns were made in the beta days of Darktide and barely changed since while everything else got more powerful

[teal canyon]

i remeber i jumped in the game and lasgun i have was barelly able to kill one walker with 3 headshots

[junior grail]

I would've liked lasguns to have modifiable output so it can be the most reliable tho not most powerful weapon

I remember reading books of Gunnery Sgt Jurgen switching his lasgun from high power precision shots to low power rapid fire

[teal canyon]

i like that description is like: "Universal" then it fucking most universally bad gun there is

no strong sides

[junior grail]

Whats a greater insult is that the "weaker" laspistol and recon lascarbine are WAAAAY more powerful haha

[teal canyon]

laspistol atleast feel more precise

[junior grail]

Laspistol is a beast at hipfire run and gun headshots hahaha

I feel ultimately inf lasguns need their blessings reworked/buffed then maybe they will feel better

[sudden cedar]

What holds Lasguns back is their recoil and the fact that you need to hit weakspots or else you don't do a lot of damage

[ember nest]

Trying infantry lasguns again made me pissed at screenshake

[plain osprey]

Yeah, i barely use them.

Pistol or recon maybe

Hellbore If bored

Ilas almost never

[grand perch]

the precision argument doesnt really make sense. you already have a huge inbuilt finesse modifier, massively encouraging headshots. and you get headhunter from weakspot hits, so you can force crits

also, its not inaccurate. it has perfect accuracy. you mean recoil is bad

which was already covered in the first line

[unreal nova]

If you start a new vet, you only got a shovel. No guns. Get whacking.

[sonic kayak]

Or the hitreg

[grand perch]

it is but you can get used to it...mostly

[unreal nova]

Is so bad, I rather play melee vet with volley.

[plain osprey]

I know. I barely use it.

Easiest melee for me on vet is dueling sword
Best melee is probably that or knife

I personally use anything from shockmaul, rashaad caxe, heavy sword, devils claw or powersword.

Outside of knife and duelingsword i think vet doesnt have S tier melee weapons.

[tame lodge]

Best melee is power sword

Just remember to power it

[plain osprey]

Too sluggish in handling for me

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/dar-corda-prepare-gif-25596203

[lusty heart]

Yes 👍

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-horus-heresy-power-sword-gif-25203006

Damn

Also anyone know a good build for vet especially for boss damage and crits build?

[novel plank]

I think Big Dom has a build like that on his channel

[novel plank]

I would probably swap that bottom left stat node with nades on elite kills but otherwise that's one way to do it

[lusty heart]

Ill try that out :)))))

[vivid silo]

If you truly want boss deletion isn't it more worthwhile to go for Kraks and Fire Team? Assuming you don't need the ammo (which I personally don't outside of Havoc)

[lusty heart]

Any choise for weapons? Ik the saber is definitely good for crit damage

Or just that and bolter or bolt pistol?

[tame lodge]

Kraks aren't worth it

[steep flower]

If you go for bosses you could also get crits but you ain’t exacly a crit class

[vivid silo]

I doubt Shredders will do more damage to a boss than a Krak though

Don't get me wrong, Shredders are infinitely more useful in general, but for the sole purpose of boss deletion, Kraks should beat em, no?

[lusty heart]

They do do good bleed damage though

[tame lodge]

You can just stab them with your melee though

[vivid silo]

I feel the bosses are dead before the bleed "catches up"

[lusty heart]

regardless of flak or carapace enemies

[steep flower]

Fire team is not worth it; kraks… lets just say they offer good burst but limited and in hands ofcthe average joe it won’t help them much like shredders do

[vivid silo]

I did write "for the sole purpose of boss deletion"

[steep flower]

Use boltgun

[tame lodge]

Yes but they also asked for a good build

Kraks aren't part of good

Unfortunately

[lusty heart]

Boltgun 😩

[tame lodge]

😭

[lusty heart]

A real mans gun

[vivid silo]

I like the fanning Revolver for boss deletion if you don't like the Bolter

Pretty fun to use if you are good at landing headshots

[lusty heart]

And crits

[steep flower]

I can show you tonight a build if you want

[lusty heart]

Totally, i work till 12pm so id be down for some karkin heretic slaying

In the god emperors name 🙏

[steep flower]

3.50pm here

At work & will stay for some time too

[steep flower]

Added so i may poke ya once i’m available; the rundown & showcase should not take long

[lusty heart]

Bet ill let you know when im on

[teal canyon]

shot trashmob in the head
@
he is not dead

ah yes, lasgun

[void dragon]

Fortunately, there is more lasgun to shoot them for weeks

And with infernus, you can give the heretics the microwave food experience

[serene bough]

anyone else getting crashes

cant tell if mod im using

[vale tundra]

ive yet to get a crash

[sudden cedar]

@serene bough Are you playing Veteran or Arbitrator?

[serene bough]

ye im on vet

[sudden cedar]

You kill too much and stack too many buffs.

That will cause the crash

[serene bough]

oh i see

i guess I cant fix that by myself then

[sudden cedar]

Yes

[serene bough]

mmm okay thank you

guess ill just wait for hotfix

[teal canyon]

2014?

[serene bough]

i had 2014 but thats not what im talking about atm

[Script Error]: ...ements/player_buffs/hud_element_player_buffs_polling.lua:540: attempt to index local 'widget' (a nil value)

based on message im guessin what eve is saying is correct

[unreal nova]

It is. Vet pretty much crashes at random for me as well.

Is why I have been playing Assailer build.

[sudden cedar]

It has something to do with the recent fix for the buff bar

which would work very inconsistently

sometimes showing them and sometimes not

now it shows everything but apparently also causing that crash

[plain osprey]

Sighs....

I had no crushes post update, but i didnt play arbites so maybe thats why

I dread playing him

[sudden cedar]

Psyker may potentially be affected depending on how Scrier's Gaze is coded

[grand perch]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/579

playing with confirmed kill really stacks those toughness regen buffs...constant crashes without

[void dragon]

Played some games including a havoc with this fix, it does work like a charm

[unreal nova]

I managed to crash with my questionably meta vet build. I gave up and funni assailer build instead in the end.

[grand perch]

look at these sneaky karkers

[sudden cedar]

Get ambushed

[mortal aspen]

shout coming off CD 1 milisecond after

[serene bough]

Tyty

[tame lodge]

"Check your corners " -Bain from Payday

[grand perch]

https://youtu.be/5tXco_IjLG0

[covert fable]

What the fuck happened

Where is your team ;-;

[grand perch]

cleaning up stuff behind

[covert fable]

Doesn't that ritual last like 5 minutes

[teal canyon]

literally oneshot.

[quick fossil]

Am i actively screwing my team over if i am using recon lasgun or like should i just use some more meta weapon ? Currently in Damnation

[teal canyon]

imo autoguns are better just because they have stopping power

[quick fossil]

Ohh

[mortal aspen]

what

recon is a meta weapon

[teal canyon]

besides, if you have brittleness perk you have yourself a can opener

[quick fossil]

I kinda want to just pew pew and lasgun crit talent mean i don't run out of ammo even if i pump it into hordes ( as long as i aim the head correctly )

[hollow ibex]

recon is a good weapon

autoguns are good too

i'd say recons are more meta rn though

[hollow ibex]

recommend learning to melee hordes

rather than shootign them

[teal canyon]

does recon have good supression?

[trim badger]

Recon IS a meta weapon

[teal canyon]

imo autoguns with their supression have alot of underrated power to shut up ranged enemies

[trim badger]

As long as it's crit based infernus build

[hollow ibex]

no clue, i hardly pay attention to suppression

[crimson wyvern]

Just veteran stuff

[tame lodge]

Iirc 1 per shot
2 on kill

[grand perch]

its good enough to suppress some gunners in havoc occasionally, while shooting his friends

[smoky bough]

You didn't do anything special or noteworthy, according to the scoreboard you just killed slightly more ; you did your job and they did theirs by meleeing and keeping enemies at bay and you were away from coefficiency more than not anyways

[sonic kayak]

I think that's the point of their screenshot?

They did their job

[tame lodge]

It really is never enough for some people

https://tenor.com/view/crying-one-piece-anime-gif-4502646032764566609

[sonic kayak]

Well, if you're not doing top DPS even by an extra 100k, then obviously you're not contributing at all

ignoring the biggest amount of game-enders probably being specialists

[faint beacon]

Dare I ask what class they're playing

[smoky bough]

Bro made an infographic, I just assumed the worst and thought he was humble bragging how he actually carried

[inland orchid]

Was the funny drawing that powerful?

[plain osprey]

That's the reason why i dont use scoreboard mods. I am here to have fun. If you start to nitpick my playstyle and question the worth i put in as If you were my math teacher in 6th grade, imma just block and report you silently after the game while i curse you and your family name in the most vile german i can come up with.

Miss me with the

"yOU dIdDNt cARRy yOUr WeIGht

Looks like your mom carries too much

[faint beacon]

If you're not second or third in top damage as vet if you have the bottom section at least a few in gold then you're fine

[hollow ibex]

i use scoreboard to figure out who's the one whoring all the ammo, and double dipped ammo drop/medstation

[faint beacon]

if you're actively at the absolute bottom then I see the issue of people saying try to perform better

Obviously the image above shows the entire bottom section in gold aka

[plain osprey]

Dont need the scoreboard to carry that grudge. I can see that in Game

[faint beacon]

what Vet should be doing

lmao

[azure narwhal]

Socreboard is helpeful for understanding your own weaknesses and strenghts, and team contribution, most games have them for a good reason, but the community tends to twist them into whatever weird perception of it they like, and make it everyone's problem

[hollow ibex]

it's good to get exact numbers and confirm supicions

that the SAP vet with 1200% ammo taken is indeed bottom damage

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon try arb shield+maul with lightning reflexes + counterattack
and run retaliatory force (talent)

[faint beacon]

Parry build?

You running Adamant with it

[tall torrent]

+22%atk speed
+15% dmg and +25% str
on perfect block

u basically forget dodge is a keybind

[faint beacon]

Ah yes

[plain osprey]

Eh sure. But i see myself accountable to no one but god. I dont see him on darktide.

So even if i played dogshit, imma judge myself for that and dont need outside correction

Someone doesnt like that they are more then welcome to block me and move on with their life.

I am proud and disagreeable and thats exactly who i wanna be

[tall torrent]

vs everything but mutant and trapper

[faint beacon]

remove that very important thing from my mind lmao

[plain osprey]

I can see what i fucked up while i play the game.

[crimson wyvern]

psyker

[tall torrent]

no

shield normally already can block all attacks

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-patrick-spongebob-squarepants-holding-back-laughter-laughter-gif-23404300

[tall torrent]

also @faint beacon I think XI better than VI for shield+maul ngl

[faint beacon]

Overpowered class telling the balanced class to "Pick up their weight"

[tall torrent]

XI is a bit kinda like power sword in moveset

[faint beacon]

I

Have been

[azure narwhal]

I mean, good for you if you have no use for it, no one's forcing anyone. I personally just find precise numbers better, and i can compare how well different builds i try do, that's about it

[faint beacon]

an XI truther

since day 1

[hollow ibex]

based

[faint beacon]

it just feels better

[crimson wyvern]

When I have the same amount of elite ranged kills as them and only 100k damage down from their purge staff ontop of outdoing their disablers and specials, which shouldn't really be anything I brag about but without scoreboard mod I might have took that comment to heart

its why I kind of like scoreboard it evens out those people trying to nitpick youy

[tall torrent]

push atk and push L are not the same thing on it (just like power sword VI)

I kinda like that design more

[faint beacon]

Different mix ups basically

[plain osprey]

Good for you

For me comparison is always the thief of joy

So i look to myself and myself only for improvement.

[faint beacon]

Was it actually a fucking purge psyker talking shit

LMAO

Stones, Glass Houses something like that

[crimson wyvern]

Yepppp

[grand perch]

i thought you guys were talking about vigis and got confused

[tall torrent]

but srsly try lightning reflexes + counterattack + retaliatory force

[faint beacon]

On Arb I prefer the XI Shield Maul

I'll try to remind myself to make it

[tall torrent]

u don't even need to purposefully block a lot of the time

just do push + L vs horde

[midnight wyvern]

scoreboard is great for that kind of thing

[hollow ibex]

light attack damage is total ass tho

[midnight wyvern]

or for someone complaining you're not doing X thing and then you have top everything haha

[faint beacon]

Yes but its Arbitrator

do I need to continue

LMAO

[crimson wyvern]

Ye. As much as I like to just chad it up and go "internet doesnt effect me" it does hurt when a team-mate bad mouths your performance :p

So scoreboard is less of a brag but more of a "what do the numbers actually say", then I can sleep good at night and not be down about it

[tall torrent]

push + L twice then do H1 + L2 loop

[plain osprey]

Sure. You can use it like that.

Orrr... Hear me out....

You just block everyone whose critizism you dont like after the game

That's what i do. Silently. With no warning

[tall torrent]

L twice comes out super fast and it's safe vs mixed horde

[plain osprey]

Although i only do that to randoms

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/castle-nathan-fillion-well-no-cant-argue-gif-17585569

[midnight wyvern]

that and i like seeing how much boss damage I can get with my bossing build on vet

[faint beacon]

its funny because even without the Retal + Block Blessings

its still a good combo

like really good

[plain osprey]

To people i know from this server i always take honest and well Intentionend critizism to heart. Especially If its given in voicechat, the closest to in person the Internet gets

[crimson wyvern]

I love hellbore boss damage but everytime I do it it never feels good imo. In the moment it feels like your sinking little pea's into the boss. Then you look at scoreboard and you've done thousands of points worth of damage :p

I guess it just doesnt have that same BONK impact as a the thammer zealot

[midnight wyvern]

bolter feels good

[azure narwhal]

Get this man a BOLTER

[midnight wyvern]

big chunky doofdoofdoofdoofdoof

[azure narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-astartes-bolter-boltgun-dakka-gif-9363696

[plain osprey]

I have a placebo fix for that. You need to land the killing blow on the monstrosity.

That's the Trick

[plain osprey]

Looks so good i almost creamed my pants

[ember nest]

Bolter in darktide is the absolute best the bolter has ever feltnin a game ngl

[crimson wyvern]

True Zealots crusher feels like that all the time too Wish the animations felt better on that thing

[azure narwhal]

A good bolter always does that

[faint beacon]

Idk if they need to make the stagger more noticable so it feels like its hitting hard outside of bosses cause it feels like im not doing shit to Elite hordes and then I check the board and im outdoing everyone in elites

[crimson wyvern]

it probably feels more oomfy with Falter equipped tbh, but I never choose Falter

[midnight wyvern]

the only acceptable time to take Kraks

[faint beacon]

Falter is cool and all but its not really needed unless you're doing it to deny Flamers or Bombers

Besides if its Helby 4 im sticking to Surgical + WOF

[plain osprey]

Yeah, you need that Killsound on elites/specials in order to FEEL the crusher.

Even more reason to take chastise the wicked and just go ham. You need to be playing high octane with indignatus or not at all

Blood for the EMPEROR Skulls for the golden throne

[faint beacon]

so I can actually nuke things

[ember nest]

Christ

[crimson wyvern]

Thammer into horde feels stupid weak too, I think you're right it does need just more sound effects, cause I dont think I'm even that dissapointed on the damage front when it comes to Crusher and Thammer, that or just make the animation reel even further back a bit

[midnight wyvern]

never gets old

[tall torrent]

with that block setup it's significantly funnier

[midnight wyvern]

every time I hear a DH whispering in the distance my ears perk up

[ember nest]

What build you got running on that?

I assume thats cavalcade and shattering impact or whatever

[faint beacon]

Hammerblow set up literally turns it into press L1 to push everything out of your LOS

[ember nest]

For bolter

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11670828404748267756/81C4370016D65394A640FB8B5B54D823305E5394/

[faint beacon]

Block to win

[crimson wyvern]

the bot set off the demonhost last game I was in, first time I ever saw it happened in almost 1000 hours.

We were gonna leave the bot for dead but bots apparently just never run out of stamina to block and kept bringing it over to us. (wasnt taking corruption AoE from it weirdly?) So we killed it

[faint beacon]

Shield Ogryn if it didn’t feel incredibly sluggish

[midnight wyvern]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f5c90f1-da86-45d6-826f-7b2c42349c47/unga-bunga-2?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tropic notch]

I wonder how good the block blessing are for tac axe

[ember nest]

Lmfao 76

[tall torrent]

tac axe has no block blessings

[faint beacon]

I will dig up the ancient ass video of me and path watching a bot solo a DH

[tame lodge]

Ok but hear me out
All or Nothing

[tropic notch]

Oops talents

[ember nest]

How does pinning fire work against DH?

[midnight wyvern]

shoot it

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iqJcNxnXKy4yDJz9z?invite=cr-MSx3TWssMTA3NDAxNTcz&v=60

[tall torrent]

given arb's stam regen delay AoN is pretty hard to upkeep

[ember nest]

Like

Does it stack...against the same target just by shooting?

Or

[midnight wyvern]

yep

[tame lodge]

When the

https://tenor.com/view/crying-one-piece-anime-gif-4502646032764566609

[tall torrent]

it only gains stacks from successful ranged weapon's attacks' stagger

[tame lodge]

So wake the DH

Wait for the horde

Brrrr

The shots explosion stagger horde

Profit

[midnight wyvern]

huh yeah lol, the buff stacking on dump is cavalcade

[ember nest]

No horde here

[midnight wyvern]

more kill harder with different blessing I suppose

pinning fire is really nice against other things though

and fucking obliterates BoN

been trying to get a arbites setup working in the same fashion, one that doesn't even let the DH attack

whether thats mag dumping head as its waking up or dog bombing for the teleport stagger

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-kids-lemme-zoom-in-on-that-zoom-watching-you-spy-gif-5212510

I see a sight on a Bolter

[midnight wyvern]

their irons are dog

oop shattering impact is probably the way to go, heres me wasting like 210 levels on running pinning fire

worked anyway

[tame lodge]

Ask yourself if shrimp brings value to bolter

So you're telling me a Shrimp fired this bolter

[faint beacon]

Shrimp doesn't but you know what it does do?

give you radiation poisoning

[tropic notch]

It buff’s puncture

[midnight wyvern]

@soft trellis figured out how to 1 mag a Plogryn lol

shattering impact gets it over

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[midnight wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/206466559672188928/1336144554323218454/Sigle_optimized.gif

[tropic notch]

Is it with pinning fire?

[midnight wyvern]

cavalcade

[tropic notch]

Guh

[tropic notch]

I wonder what to run on zealots

[midnight wyvern]

anything and everything to not use marksmans stance

exe stance, whatever

[tropic notch]

I can’t tell a difference between pinning and shrimp

[midnight wyvern]

how do you mean?

on bosses or other things?

pinning doesn't help with bosses, I thought it did, it do'n't

shrimp kills DH with 4-5 rounds to spare, depending on crits and lets me 1 mag a plogryn, as above

[buoyant pewter]

I agree, a lot of the irons in the game are baaaaad. My favorite so far still is the Agri CS

[midnight wyvern]

yeah I had a sight on that and it just felt wrong

also that mod crashes my game by far the most, so I've removed it yesterday

but, really nice for some guns

Hellbore loves having actual sights, bolter I like them on

[soft trellis]

With the boltgun?

Another shattering impact W

[midnight wyvern]

time to go do another 200 levels on vet with the same build but different

[soft trellis]

Now how would it go on arby instead of vet? :3

besides slower obviously

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-university-snail-going-on-my-way-omw-gif-5461800

[midnight wyvern]

yeah I dunno, not the same application of buffs

vet is probably the safest and easiest obtainment of good buffs for that sort of thing lol

also, bruh

the quickplay for battle for teritum thing turned itself back on

get your campaign shit out of here

[tame lodge]

I can't believe you have to turn off for all the classes

Instead of a one time thing

[midnight wyvern]

you DO?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/206466559672188928/1336144554323218454/Sigle_optimized.gif

that is so incredibly stupid

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent Tried it with Adamant and casually stone-walled a Crusher + Bulwark pack LMAO

this shit isn't fair

[tall torrent]

don't need adamant will

u can perfect block everything with shield in the first place

[faint beacon]

they would try to push me and immediately get fucked over lmao

[grand perch]

lucky bullet rumbler ogryn dies in havoc, pretty much immediately when it got a little hairy

"where's my cover"

[crimson wyvern]

The bots are just better 😔

[stiff glacier]

okay next level bm. ogryn wakes up daemonhost, rqs, now daemon host goes after me, tada 1 man standing left gets swarmed

[midnight wyvern]

shoulda hired daemonhunters

[sly orchid]

how in the hell did they ever manage to put a radiactive substance in shrimp

[faint beacon]

Cesium-137 to be exact with a Half Life of 30.5 years

[sly orchid]

genuinely how did they manage that

water polution?

[faint beacon]

FDA Defunding and its consequences

[tall torrent]

The true American ways

Tbh if gale didn’t specify US I’d have thought it was from fukushima nuclear waste

[steep flower]

could be better my friend

[sly orchid]

id imagine they have a no go on a radius

[tall torrent]

No they actually are sold

Even tho several countries protested

[sly orchid]

japan doesnt care lole

[steep flower]

i love your drawings

@void dragon Mah man i'm back! I can talk about that inf auto if you wanna

[tall torrent]

More like
Even tho they’re sold, most people from the neighbouring countries aren’t buying

[faint beacon]

@sly orchid Look im just as fucking confused as you on how Cs-137 of all things

managed to get into shrimp

and how it wasn't detected immediately

[sly orchid]

Im 100% thinking polution

Now if you want to get the tinfoil out china has been overextending their fishing industry massively

[faint beacon]

See the thing is its the job of the FDA to nail that shit down before it gets sold to the public

so im just saying-

Lawsuits inbound

[sly orchid]

Oh 100%

If someone dies from radiation poisoning

[tall torrent]

Nothing prob will happen

[faint beacon]

Not even die

[tall torrent]

Nothing gets changed

[faint beacon]

just overall health complications

[sly orchid]

Deformed children

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

[faint beacon]

it causes Blood cancer and lung issues

[tall torrent]

I’m inclined to post a gif but I’d prob get banned here

[sly orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-head-scratch-hm-hmm-gif-9190273016569542229

How funny would it be

[faint beacon]

Its pretty funny with the state of affairs but absolutely would warrant a ban LMAO

[sly orchid]

Dm it

Path wouldnt be banned

[soft trellis]

If path got banned I'd be shocked, I don't think I've seen him doing anything even remotely ban worthy :\

On top of that he goes out of his way to get people correct info, afaik x.x

[tame lodge]

Always bet on nothing

🗣️

[soft trellis]

You mean what I do when I see the bots get replaced with players?

I had more hope for the bots

[void dragon]

I'm somewhat free of time, mostly just want some very minor pointers to get a Brauto (and maybe infantry) autogun to work as best as possible

[steep flower]

can do https://discord.gg/D554vKHu

[covert fable]

I think it's good to test builds sometimes

[void dragon]

im currently running this for the inf autogun @steep flower

[plain osprey]

Ok, valid

[pearl thorn]

is the shredder pistol useful for vet?

or the heavy sword

[sudden cedar]

They can be made useful.

[austere mica]

I think shredder is best on zealot

[faint beacon]

Its better on Zealot cause of mobility

Veteran can make it work but you need your melee to be good against Carapace and Unyielding

[grand perch]

wut

cara yes but last i checked it did phenomenal unyielding dps

[faint beacon]

I'd rather personally avoid magdumping into a Bulwark imo

Bosses I guess?

Flak I literally cant tell if its okay or good

[grand perch]

just do onslaught + MMF build with shredder

[steep flower]

arby

[austere mica]

Arbitrator has good maniac damage

On most of their weapons

They do have crusher though

It’s great for that

[pearl thorn]

what should I run on HS and shredder

[void dragon]

feels better even on Psyker, but mostly because they can have insane crit chance

[austere mica]

Hs is Deathblow headtaker flak and something (i forgor)
Shredder is inspiring/pinning fire and blaze away and maniac + something

The guide in pins knows better than I do off the top of my head

[pearl thorn]

is it the melee builds one?

[austere mica]

Second pin

[covert fable]

Flak maniac for heavy sword I think

[hollow ibex]

Yup

[tame lodge]

Not enough crit damage to make it worth something

Although you could just huff all the impact buffs and have a impact shredder

Note to self

Research how many bullets would take to open a bulwark as arby

[grand perch]

1

[tame lodge]

That's like bolter

I meant more

Brauto

💀

[grand perch]

oh im just assuming arby needs only 1 regardless of gun cause its arby

[muted peak]

what blessings are recommended for chaxe?

[tame lodge]

Headtaker Slaughterer

Mk12 can sub one for Thrust

Then there's the forbidden Bloodletter Thunderous

[muted peak]

what about bloodletter headtaker?

[faint beacon]

Truth nuke holy

Arby just being itself enabling stupid amounts of whatever the hell you please to use

[hollow ibex]

if you want an actually good chain weapon

[hollow ibex]

if you want an ok axe

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/whirow-nvm-ur-content-sucks-arcade-assassin-funny-meme-gif-1223989353800674009

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-search-your-feelings-you-know-it-to-be-true-star-wars-gif-16574787

if a full heavy rev can't kill a crusher, there are problems

[muted peak]

I just could kill a crusher with that in auric tho?

[hollow ibex]

?

[muted peak]

And headtaker/ slaughterer significantly improves crowd conteol

[hollow ibex]

i mean yeah if you stack HT and slaught

but it's not reliable

[muted peak]

Well

It has downsides for sure

Chaxe tries to excel in single target

I think its more than enough for you to manage your situation unless you get like a rager or elite group

[hollow ibex]

problem is, it's just mid as fuck even if you build specifically for a situation

[muted peak]

I like simple moveset personally, I cant make much combos in the heat of the situation so straightforward moveset is pretty good for me, a mid generalist weapon unless you get an elite or rager group

And I love grinding armor

[hollow ibex]

Skitarius is always an option if you’re on PC

[tame lodge]

Tool assisted darktide Speedrun

[vagrant brook]

Are puncture and surgical for the best blessings for boltgun if I’m going for a bleed build?

[tall torrent]

Surgical is ok
Usually pinning fire does more for boltgun on veteran

[sharp epoch]

is that the combo macro thing

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[sharp epoch]

some mods like that just play the game for you imo

[hollow ibex]

i mean

i can either use that

or i can halve the number of melee weapons i can play with

without physically hurting myself

[sharp epoch]

wouldnt the combo weapons be less physically demanding? i feel like the m1 spam ones would hurt you more in the long run

[hollow ibex]

i used to use that m1 spam mod

keep swinging

so i could use weapons like rashad, knife and psword

weapons with alternating light/heavy combos can be ok but it really depends on the day

heavy spam weapons are guaranteed to start hurting me in a match or two

and then anything with push attacks can fuck right off

[sharp epoch]

thats ps 6 in a nutshell 💀

[hollow ibex]

i'm ok with it occasionally

it's usually when it's part of a horde clear combo

or if it needs to be rapidly done like mk6 knife

[sharp epoch]

things that start hurting for me are like the mk3 bully club like literally it is only m1 spam

feel like imma get carpal tunnel from those

[hollow ibex]

i don't have carpal tunnel yet, but i can def feel myself getting there 💀

[fossil lake]

anyone else sometimes do the shooting gallery in quickplay just to give randoms the penance?

[tame lodge]

But I have the achievement thing turned off

So I never know if I'm helping

[torn root]

Hey im returning, what Mark for the recon lasgun is the best?

[formal ice]

Blue

[torn root]

Like this? idk if its the right dump stat but its the one i saved like 6 months ago

[hollow ibex]

XII or VIc usually

[hollow ibex]

12 is for brrrt memes

6 is for tryhards

[formal ice]

I would put mobility but some people complain about their targets getting too much stagger and making them miss

Losers

[torn root]

actually i think that was the reason i save it

the stagger IS kinda detrimental

[ember nest]

There is only 12

ONLY 12

[formal ice]

That's alright

Both work well as dumb anyways

Dump*

[torn root]

mobility works well with the stability imo but imma farm another one soon

when i hit 1 mil ducats to see how much it costs to get a mobility dump stat

seems like the rarest dump on every weapon XD

[tall torrent]

XII / VIc usually

[hollow ibex]

i will admit

XIV is exceptionally powerful if you run a deadshot build

but it's so fucking boring

[torn root]

i am a dead shot VRAKS enjoyer

[formal ice]

Is it the red one?

[torn root]

and just wanted to try another dumb gun

[formal ice]

The one which isn't a minigun?

[torn root]

my stamina bar

[hollow ibex]

idk colors, it's the slowest one

[torn root]

idm if it's "boring" but i just wanted to know because im looking for a gun alt for when the entire team is using actual ammo. I wont have to pick up as much during havoc runs

[tall torrent]

helbore IIIa / IV

[torn root]

less ammo strain

i dont like helbore

[hollow ibex]

Deadshot XIV will work well

[tall torrent]

ok then any recon will do tbh

[torn root]

KK im liking it. Its a bit slower at killing than the vraks but more accurate and ammo friendly

ty for the help all

wait

they nerfed the power sword?!

no charged stab into light kills anymore XD

[hollow ibex]

no should still be there

they've barely touched the PS

[torn root]

i know its not because its not happening anymore

i was always able to kill them with no ping

now it leaves them with a sliver of hp

[covert dagger]

So I just played a round with the meta build and realized something. You know how shooters have become more movement heavy, faster paced and more APM oriented?

Younger players, and even active FPS players who are older are more familiar with those skills.

I don't think it's that non meta builds couldn't do the job. I just don't think the current skillset of FPS gamers lines up with the skillset of the off meta builds.

The meta build felt more like a fast paced movementish shooter. My builds for example rely on cover mechanics, lines of sight and steady advancement. Because that's how I learned FPS.

[hollow ibex]

PS hasn't been nerfed in ages

so idk

the weapon is unchanged

[torn root]

i mean its been 6 months but im sure i can find clips in here as well where i was 2 shotting them

its not happening anymore

[hollow ibex]

are you 100% sure you're using the same build

[torn root]

YES....

i literally just got on the character lmao

im dumb

got scared for a second

i had accidentally made a new page, forgive

was gunna be so upset lmao

[tame lodge]

If anything psword got buffed

[torn root]

Again i found the problem. Gut what buff?

[tame lodge]

And pretty much all the weapons with activation

They made it so you don't lose your activated attack if you get hit

That being said

[torn root]

oof

less skill needed

[tame lodge]

There's still some hiccups every now and then

[torn root]

good for me

[tame lodge]

[torn root]

Well I'm happy, I like my Sunder and was worrying i would have to go Brutal Momentum

[tall torrent]

no

[tall torrent]

no, it's a replicable bug

[tame lodge]

Just don't replicate it

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[tall torrent]

???

[tame lodge]

[fossil lake]

Seems straightforward to me

[soft trellis]

Been there, done that, am still doing that... so I feel u

[torn root]

been back for 3 days now and ive been saying that to myself on repeat

ngl

tried the new arbites class and it legit feels like zealot, ogryn and vet all in one [broken AF btw]

but no VoC, so i am back on this class

all the broken classes and crutches still cant carry me tho XD

[tropic notch]

Darktide is movement based

If you wanna stand still and take it play Arby or oggy

[torn root]

i would say psyker can do this too

[tropic notch]

Kinda

Only with vb

And even then enemies are immune to it after being hit by it

Purg can replicate it but good luck with the 6 crushers

[torn root]

just depends on the cc output of the team

or how fast yall are actually killing stuff i guess

faster kills = no reason to be still

[tropic notch]

I mean if I’m vet I’m two tapping crushers

If I’m zealot I’m two or 3 tapping them

[torn root]

vet 2 taps, zealot 1 taps,ogryn idk, i just shoot them 2-3 times, arby i 4 tap in like 1.5 seconds

[tropic notch]

But in reality I’m not holding my ground that wall of crushers is forcing me to move

[torn root]

no reason to anchor when you can just clear dudes

not knocking anyone that likes anchoring, but this game doesnt really support it

the longer you take the more resources you are using, and for most classes those resources are finite

kinda reminds me of DRG, kill stuff move forward get out

[midnight wyvern]

yeah that wall causes me to move my finger to F and now they've all fallen over

[unreal forge]

Definitely closer to a mix of a """Zealot""" and Ogryn. Arbitrator is as slow and tanky as Ogryn, and he has I guess the regular human capabilities of a Zealot. There was demand for a human-sized frontliner and Arbites answers the call.

[vagrant brook]

Fellas is decimator for shovel worse than hammer blow

[unreal forge]

Although, saying Arbitrator is close to Zealot doesn't really make sense other than the fact that he is human-sized...

[unreal nova]

No. Decimator skullcrusher is fine.

Even for mk3.

[unreal forge]

decimator feels like a must-have on shovels, otherwise u can't cleave more than 1 poxwalker (for havoc)

[vagrant brook]

Alright cool I though it was fine but I got dogged on for but using decimator

[unreal forge]

and skullcrusher is probably the best blessing in the game

[vagrant brook]

Is cleaving just smacking them im h40 and I still haven’t learned how to parry with it

[unreal forge]

Are you saying you don't know what cleaving means?

[vagrant brook]

Yeah not really

[unreal forge]

It means having your weapon actually slice through several enemies, it hasn't to do with parry or block

[vagrant brook]

All I know is smack and shoot I have no game knowledge

Ohhh alright

[unreal nova]

Decimator is fine.

[vagrant brook]

So that’s just like when you heavy attack them and you cut through multiple enemies

[unreal forge]

Yes

[unreal nova]

You don't need uncanny on shovel unless doing specific things.

[vagrant brook]

Okay cool apologies for the causal brain

This is muh shovel good enough?

[unreal forge]

Decimator increases your "power", also known as "strength", and that directly means more damage, more cleave and more stagger

Yeah it's fine

[unreal nova]

What the heck is the stats though.

Just dump defence.

Or mobility.

[vagrant brook]

Makes sense wish the game had a codex or something that would explain this all to me lol

[unreal nova]

Or 70/70 those two.

[unreal nova]

Welcome to FS games.

You need a third party guide.

[vagrant brook]

So I should reroll for 80/80 for everything but mobility

I thought it was a godroll or whatever not that I think that’s a thing anymore with the hadron rework

[unreal nova]

Def.

[vagrant brook]

Alright sweet thanks man

[unreal nova]

Dump def.

[tawny timber]

Definitely

[unreal nova]

Mobility is an alt dump if you already have it. But depends on what you prefer.

[unreal nova]

Godrolls still need to be gambled.

[vagrant brook]

Think I’ll go with def I don’t block that much anyways always dodging

[unreal nova]

Just you can max it and swap blessings and perks freely.

[vagrant brook]

What’s a godroll anyways is that just like perfect split weapon every stat the same

[torn root]

not a stretch since i play the 3 classes i mentioned, has just as much melee focus on the tree as zealot including the dash that feels like zealot + ogryn dash, a decent amount of tanky nodes like ogryn and the only thing that really makes em feel like vet is lone wolf and the grenades which basically is vet imo

[unreal forge]

I thought the Zealot comparison made sense at first then I remembered Ogryn has similarly great melee anyway

[torn root]

the stamina recharge delay is identical if not close to zealot too

can probably just check it rq on gameslantern

[unreal forge]

it's 0.5s on Arbitrator, 1.00 stamina regen

0.75s on Zealot, 1.5 stamina regen

Zealot also has much better dodges than Arbitrator

Arbitrator movement is nearly as bad as Ogryn's, if not just as

[torn root]

mix

not exact copy

but it aint no stretch to say that lmao

[unreal forge]

when I run alongside Ogryns at the start of the mission I cannot make ground on them

think we're pretty much at the same speed

[torn root]

mix -- not exact copy

lmao

for the vet we have nade recharges, similar grenade, and a ping mechanic would even say it has executioner stance at home too

ogryn shielded weapons and general tankyness via DR and toughness gen and regen

really does feel like a mash up class lmao

[hybrid plover]

MK1 is a weird case where you might want Uncanny just for the sake of dealing with heavier armored enemies like crushers.

[unreal forge]

These r vague descriptions of what defines each class

[hybrid plover]

Because you don't have the flip attack that can just do a ton of damage to em anyway.

[unreal forge]

Every class has regenerating blitzes

[hybrid plover]

It's also my favorite shovel

[torn root]

vague? how i clearly explained why it feels like a mash up lmao -- idk if we know what vague is

[unreal forge]

You said regen nades made him like Vet but Zealot and Ogryn have regenerating blitzes too

[vagrant brook]

I got the bolter for that now I’m trying to look up how to godroll the shovel since I got like 7 million plasteel

[hybrid plover]

That. Is not a good use of your bolter tbh

[torn root]

zealot does not have the same kind of regen

and the regen nade is vet and ogryn specific

you making that point

[unreal forge]

Vet also has a loooot of regen

[hybrid plover]

You sparingly want to do that.

[torn root]

literally proves the pont

lmao

its LIKE them

what?

[unreal forge]

every class is like each other to the same extent lol

[torn root]

yeah when you try to minimize the differences sure

[vagrant brook]

What is then

[torn root]

you seem like a fun individual

[hybrid plover]

Turning mixed hordes into red mist and mag dumping into bosses.

[vagrant brook]

But that’s what the shovel is for

[hybrid plover]

You can definitely use the bolter for crushers but it's very inefficient and shouldn't be the main usage for it.

[unreal forge]

personally I wouldn't use shovel if my ranged couldn't deal with crushers

[vagrant brook]

It’s not the main use just what I like to do I 3 shot them I like to think it’s not a totally ineffective way to use it

[torn root]

3 shotting is fine

[unreal forge]

It's totally fine yeah

knife gremlin is probably thinking of havoc 40 type of optimal

if you're not doing havoc then it's fine for u

[hybrid plover]

Nah I'm just thinking auric lmao

[vagrant brook]

Yeah no I already got there I ain’t going back

I think it’s pretty decent for auric but then again I was plasma main until about a month ago so

[hybrid plover]

Bolter can do damage against carapace. But given how much carapace you can run into even in Auric now, making that a frequent use thing, you can run out of ammo really fast.

Even in Auric ya

[vagrant brook]

I focus on gunners trappers crushers, etc just no trash basically

[torn root]

if you run out of ammo in auric

i feel like your team aint pulling weight -- assuming you are running ammo aura

[vagrant brook]

I’m lucky enough to get an ogryn in most games so I just 2 tap them to bleed them while he beats the shit out of them

[unreal forge]

Every Veteran should have an Ogryn by their side......

[unreal nova]

God rolls just means you get the perfect dump. Is better used when talking plasma or ripper.

[unreal nova]

Actually, is copy pasta psyker.

[vagrant brook]

This is my boltgun for reference I think it’s pretty good have been experimenting with a different blessing for #2

[unreal forge]

the dodges?

or movement

[unreal nova]

Yep.

[torn root]

best case bolter

[unreal nova]

Also, yep.

Is just their weapons on avg grants a negative to sprint and dodge.

[unreal forge]

true

[unreal nova]

Vs psyker.

[unreal forge]

tactical axe is probably the only one without bad movement

for melee weapons

[torn root]

this part is annoying

the only weapon with + movespeed at 60 i think is the arbites shock maul and its less than 1% XD

[tall nest]

Does movement on barbie even matter when true grit exists

[unreal nova]

More or less, and bistol for ranged.

[unreal forge]

slow frontliner is good design I think

[hybrid plover]

revolver

[unreal forge]

combat shotgun also very speedy now I remember

[unreal nova]

Oh yeah. They have all shotties.

[unreal forge]

in theory you are supposed to have a harder time retreating and also not outpace your team when staying in front

[midnight wyvern]

Bistol my beloved

[unreal forge]

I think it works out

[tall nest]

I wish when they rework or rebalance vet he gets EO on his skill tree it is literally so perfect for the class am surprised it isn't a thing

[unreal forge]

execution order?

[tall nest]

Yeah

[hybrid plover]

Ah, so you haven't seen "Dear Arbitrators" reddit post #47