veteran-class

[calm shard]

And that gun isn't very good either!

[atomic void]

Don't see normal lasguns either

It's always one of bolter/plasma/hellbore/revolver/recon/shotgun

[faint beacon]

The consistency with this happening on the Vigils makes me so fucking depressed istg

Hitmarker, Blood Spray outs, they even fucking flinch for a second, 0 damage, they are still alive

[covert dagger]

Depends on how you zero it. I prefer the point of impact where the sight is.

But putting the POI higher is totes legit.

[tepid otter]

Wat counts as good melee weaps for a crit build on a veteran

[narrow frost]

tactical axe

[boreal goblet]

I didn't teach

[tall torrent]

power sword
combat axe
tactical axe
chainsword
knife
duelling sword

[boreal goblet]

Helbores are REALLY good if you are horde clearing in specific situations the problem is those situations don't come up because for some reason darktide likes to spawn things behind you

I'm way out of practice but IIRC you aim the weapon by lining up the rear sight and front sight like a solid bar then you point the horizontal line cutting what you want to hit in half

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/vBrNacP

https://fximgur.com/a/6YHvXgx also more exe stance gaming

[muted peak]

what do you guys recommend blessings and perks for inf autogun?

also for power sword?

[tall torrent]

flak / unyielding / crit chance (choose 2 from 3)
dum dum
deathspitter
use Mk V

[tall torrent]

can swap sunder for BM

[muted peak]

I use mark 8 atm

feels better than 5

[muted peak]

no maniac?

[tall torrent]

not needed u kill most maniac enemies super fast with it

[muted peak]

ok

[primal zealot]

yea and theres only a few maniacs anyways

[muted peak]

also is this boltgun good?

blessing and perks I mean

[primal zealot]

u got the right idea with it

[tall torrent]

stats usable not perfect
blessings and perks need changes

[primal zealot]

they need upgrades big time

[muted peak]

yeah I'm still grinding mastery

it will be done

but what blessings can I get to him

[tall torrent]

puncture + pinning fire

[muted peak]

these felt right to me

[primal zealot]

pinning fire ? wtf ? since when ?

[muted peak]

sounds okay tho

emty your mag and charge

I usually do that

[tall torrent]

uh

been that way pretty long time on vet

most other blessings don't change it that much for vet

[normal bay]

Pinning fires better for general use

Shrimpact is mostly for boss killing

[tall torrent]

no what

shattering impact does super little for boltgun vs boss

[normal bay]

Does it not ramp up the bleed?

[muted peak]

what about rampage?

[tall torrent]

ur boltgun's main boss dmg is from bleed??

[tall torrent]

not as good as sunder and BM

[muted peak]

hm

[tall torrent]

shattering is like

after 4 shots u will have max brittleness

therefore 10% extra dmg cuz u have 100% unyielding ADM so it goes directly to dmg conversion

if u wanted pure boss u'd take cavalcade

it's still not as good as pinning fire on veteran

even tho pinning fire doesn't work for boss

it helps vs everything else

[muted peak]

which is better?

in pure stats

[tall torrent]

look for 1 that has 60% cleave targets max

[muted peak]

why?

isnt cleave important for hordes?

[tall torrent]

because it's the least impactful stat on this weapon

u get 0.8 extra cleave when energized

it doesn't matter basically ever

[muted peak]

ps?

[tall torrent]

power sword

[normal bay]

What's the use case for shrimpact then?

Crushers?

[tall torrent]

yea

it gives u guaranteed crusher 4 tap on head

except u can use exe stance and do it in 3 shots with triple red nodes

[calm shard]

red nodes my beloved

If you get a crit it can two tap with red nodes

[grand perch]

"i love the power sword even unpowered it's nice"
Time to close Reddit forever

[normal bay]

• The one remaining Sedition gamer

[plain osprey]

That guy had to be trolling

[plain osprey]

Honestly looking at the quality of recent auric damnation quickplay players i cant fault him for wanting to play alone 🤣🤣🤣

[normal bay]

Feels like people are skipping a few difficulties

[plain osprey]

That's the problem with the progression system. They survive a few missions on each diff (no doubt they get carried on higher diffs by people that quickplay damned to play with them) and then they are in auric, with like 30 hours of game experience, playing most likely arbites, which is a cheatcode on anything below damnation, and it fucking shows....

Maybe someone like ainz could pull it off. But not many people for sure

My problem with the powersword is above all that it feels clunky and awkward as fuck to use. In the time it takes me to pull it out, activate it and bring it to bear ive struck the enemy 3 times already with the heavy sword

[distant mural]

Power sword is by far my fav vet weapon.

But not unpowered😂

[plain osprey]

I am not good enough for animation cancel 😞😭

[distant mural]

I wish they just made it like the relic blade

[covert dagger]

I think it’s kinda dumb. Animation cancelling is such a gamer thing.

[blazing jetty]

Unpowered power sword feels like a butter knife

[plain osprey]

Imma have to try that then

I found the stab hard to aim. I usually aim for the head but hit the chest instead 😭

[little vortex]

meanwhile powered power sword feels like a hot butter knife and the heretics are butter

[distant mural]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-6280140024388093260

[plain osprey]

Now i am hungry... Thanks mate 😭

[little vortex]

enjoy ur corpse starch pilgrim

[blazing jetty]

average brawler ogryn

[plain osprey]

I am German. Corpse starch bread lmao

[tall torrent]

it'd be a straight downgrade

[tall torrent]

if ur getting surrounded u can power up, push, then light twice

[distant mural]

Not if they remade it properly i think

[tall torrent]

yea it takes a full remake

and prob would still be a downgrade

from what it is now

[distant mural]

Yeah with new blessings and stuff

[tall torrent]

cuz they'd have to nerf the powered attacks' dmg

to be like relic blade

[distant mural]

Do power swords overheat that fast in the lore?

Or is that just a darkride thing

[tall torrent]

no, it's just a gameplay thing

[distant mural]

Fckn hell

Give us permanently active power swords.

Ill pay with me booty

[tall torrent]

lore accuracy should exist but be sidelined by gameplay balance

the rejects as they are currently are canon to lore

[blazing jetty]

The ogryns and the seer psyker are the emperor's favorites

[barren cave]

Anybody got tips to do serial killer

It's the penance for landing 20 headshots in a row

I think I'm at 12

[normal sparrow]

Psyker, strictly brain burst 20 in a row

[barren cave]

What

Does that count

Dammm

[normal sparrow]

I can guarantee most people do that

[barren cave]

I'm gonna just do that lol

[normal sparrow]

0 accuracy required

[barren cave]

Assuming it works

[sudden cedar]

It does count.

Brain Burst is a Headshot

..i mean..

(duh)

[little path]

go into high difficulty, wait for a horde

open fire

[barren cave]

I'm gonna do it on malice rn

With bb

[steep flower]

Funnily enough; it still does - just need a build for it

[little path]

Would love for brainburst to have a cool cascading effect

like uuuuh

if enemy dies from BB while burning another enemy burning enemy is automatically hit with BB

[sudden cedar]

Arbitrator once again getting nothing from Hallowette.

[little path]

no wait

if an enemy dies by BB you can continue charging brainburst to BB another enemy for reduced peril

and you just hold down BB to keep popping heads

and it has faster charge

what mortis trial multi hit

yeah that would be cool

[steep flower]

Would be broken

[little path]

like maybe it's an empowered psionics buff that does that

like uuuuh

each stack of empowered psionics will cause 2 more enemies to get hit by the lightning brainburst

[steep flower]

All of that would make it insane vs bosses and its already the best thing psyker can do vs a boss

[little path]

a target would have to die first

[barren cave]

Well

Got it

[steep flower]

Mass aneurysm

[little path]

It would make it actually cool to use

[steep flower]

It already is

[little path]

pretty sure people just use it with kinetic flayer so it's convenient for auto triggering

[barren cave]

now how to do this one

[little path]

play arby or ogryn

[barren cave]

is dh enough

i dont even know how I got it to 844

probably dh

[normal bay]

I think I got that with deflector and KD on psyker

Might have triggered the DH with soulblaze again

[barren cave]

Oh there's a new event, didn't even notice

Something to do with extra explosives

Great that'll make the start of clandestium gloriana easier

[normal bay]

That is a serious accusation

With all my being

I didn't even use smite to get the smite penance, thats how commited I am to avoiding it

https://tenor.com/view/you-dare-thordak-the-legend-of-vox-machina-how-dare-you-you've-got-some-nerve-gif-2485687911533564268

[bleak oasis]

Why does that sound dirty and sensual

[normal bay]

Reaching so hard you've resorted to misinformation and photoshop

Mandated Edict, permanent smyker lobbies

[tall torrent]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/power-sword-animation-shows-incomplete-arm-can-fix-easily/111919

Maybe they will fix it eventually

[serene bough]

this event is great

[dim escarp]

yeah but is arbites got new cosmetic

[tall torrent]

No

[serene bough]

nothing new for arby

does this vostroyan helbore have a good sight on it

[tall torrent]

It’s ok

But it’s bugged atm

Misaligned sight

It’s the coolest looking skin imo

[serene bough]

ah sad

yeah the skin is great

[balmy ermine]

So no one decided to tell me how fun the plasma gun is

I usually run the infantry/recon lasgun

But holy hell

Sending heretics to the shadow realm is so fun

[blazing jetty]

Looking forward to clandestium gloriana becoming unbeatable because all strike teams invariably get flung off the first catwalk by exploding barrels

[tame lodge]

It's fun until you learn how repetitive it is

Until then

Enjoy

[balmy ermine]

Bro

I've put 17 days almost using the infantry lasgun exclusively

The concept of repetitiveness fears me

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[balmy ermine]

I know i know

And I'll poor another 17 days into cosplayinf a guardsman

Until gw finally releases an imperial guard video game

(Im going to be stuck on darktide forever)

[sudden cedar]

@balmy ermine Dawn of War Winter Assault

[serene bough]

i played this mod on clandestum it was crazy

shotgunners drop grenades on death too

[muted peak]

what is beyond damnation?

[sudden cedar]

Auric

[muted peak]

for diff I mean

[sudden cedar]

Havoc

[calm shard]

don't forget the exploding heretics

and the inevitable chaos spawn

[tame lodge]

Auric
Auric Maelstrom
Havoc 30+

[quaint vortex]

It would be quite cool if they added a melta gun

[heavy rover]

I can't recall, does the Vostroyan helbore skin improve the sights?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-bob-parr-the-incredibles-gif-7194125

[tame lodge]

Yesnt

It is better

[tame lodge]

But it's also misaligned

[sudden cedar]

From the Reddit Post about the current Shop Rotation

[tame lodge]

💀

[heavy rover]

Misaligned?

[sly orchid]

hey bud

is stability or ammo helbore dump

[heavy rover]

Stability

[steep flower]

Ammo actually

[ember nest]

@calm shard

Lucius dead

Pensive emoji

[tame lodge]

First mistake

Reddit

[calm shard]

where

I will wordlessly link the clip of my Helbore killing a plague ogryn in 5 shots

[normal bay]

Why are they hitting bodies with heavy sword

[ember nest]

Fuck it lemme go scroll back to it

[normal bay]

That is the question

[ember nest]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/CSvpl81qDo

@calm shard

[calm shard]

thanks

[grand perch]

Both do about nothing but you get more ammo back with surv when you stab dump

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[steep flower]

Nope; try 80 stab and notice how less the weapon wobbles idle & while shooting

[tame lodge]

Oh wait
Vostroyans back?

[steep flower]

And since everyone uses shocktrooper with it & surv aura you don’t need that much ammo

[grand perch]

I'm already noticing 0 wobble so nope

[steep flower]

Look again; its noticable

[grand perch]

If it was, I'd have noticed it

[tame lodge]

[steep flower]

Ammo is a better dump; helly was always seen as ammo efficient and shocktrooper tops it off with surv; you lose like 12 ammo from the mag and ~100 in the reserve - not that impactful due to talents listed above

[ember nest]

Absolutely peak interaction

[steep flower]

After numerous buffs which stacking is not that practical in the field where you get pressured or bricking your build (i expect exec stance to be in the mix) not surprised by the take tho from ya; Mk IV does nice dmg to heads tho ngl… but you have to land them first and sometimes its easier said than done

[tame lodge]

Just hit your shots

[steep flower]

And dodge chaf that your team is not swatting away from you

[tame lodge]

Just dodge

[normal bay]

Reserve your grenades to throw at your feet, your team do not deserve your assistance

[calm shard]

has it occured to you that I do not have bad aim

from regularly playing exe stance vet

[sudden cedar]

Good on you. The point however still stands.

[calm shard]

I mean on a more sane build it still does a hell of a lot of damage

At least as far as sane as exe stance builds go

[steep flower]

Its the impracticality of buff stacking & maintaining when you have many other threats assailing you - aim is… general

[steep flower]

Can do

[steep flower]

There is a great option too to use shout to stagger the boss in front of you and utilizing stagger animation to land a couple of headshots with helly (depending on the mk)

And since bosses never really come alone you create space from all the nonsense next to it

[unreal nova]

Bonus, I crashed on vet cos apparently, my build had too much buffs to do anything.

[jagged kraken]

They need to update the Power sword to have the same heat mechanic as Relic Blade. Or least make one of the variants use heat and other stay classic

[tropic halo]

If they were to add, make it deal damage when empowered

[jagged kraken]

It does deal extra damage doesn't it? Or at least there's a Blessing that lets it

[tropic halo]

Theres one that adds two more empower hits

[sudden cedar]

Which is essentially mandatory

[quick fossil]

Hmm vets, i saw some player pretty much pew pew forever with a lasgun and carrying our sorry ass in damnnation, is that kind of build op or is the player just very good

[unreal nova]

Player is good. Meta loadout doesn't matter.

I have seen ppl run the same stuff or better than I do and still be on the floor.

And half my builds are suspect at the very least.

[steep flower]

Build is not OP; player was potentially good

[unreal nova]

I swear if you see my loadout vs some, you'll understand.

[graceful pulsar]

hey guys, what is the difference between the different maccabian swords? i couldnt really figure it out other than a bit of difference in the slashin

[steep flower]

I did; i love this girls madness

[steep flower]

Thats pretty much it; moveset

For that weapon category that is

[graceful pulsar]

thanks ❤️

sometimes theres like hidden shit that isnt obvious ya know

like the braced gun that dakkas extra hard with the braced thing on the go and stuff like that

do i care about the one with cleave on it or defence or doesnt matter much?

[tame lodge]

Ok you will use mk4

Mk2 is Mk4 but with better horde clear

Mk5 does a little less damage than Mk2 and Mk4 but has the best dodges in the game

Because of the mobility and Defences stat

[unreal nova]

I made a boring close to meta plasma DS4 build though. Mostly to prove a point on overwatch can be done fine on it.

Then again, my GF did it at lvl 3 as a shovel melee only vet.

Get gooderer.

Everyone hates the starting lasgun.

[covert dagger]

👀

[steep flower]

Dayum Higui; when you don’t meme around you give nice info to the ones in need of it
Can’t believe i’m saying it but i like it

[steep flower]

It is not bad actually; only oof one is the fastest firing one cause… low dmg & recoil…

[unreal nova]

We both hate it.

[graceful pulsar]

this all really helpful thanks

[unreal nova]

I did the same but worse. Dunno how, but she got way worse at vet at lvl 30.

It's really funni.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[steep flower]

Just accept the complement

[red fox]

is this event impossible for anyone else

[graceful pulsar]

theres an event on?

[red fox]

Ye

ExplosionsTM

[graceful pulsar]

oooh

[buoyant pewter]

Speaking of which, gave your KNOIFE zealot a try finally, the one which has Stalwart+Zeal on the left side of the keystone, enjoyed it quite a bit! Didn't take it into any Havocs but was having fun with it in Maelstrom. Felt really comfy due to all the extra toughness. XD

[unreal nova]

Err, I use hp. I guess you went sane curios lul.

[buoyant pewter]

I did go sane curios yes

XD

I didn't do HP

[unreal nova]

HP is more a havoc meme. You can eat an overhead and not be fully corrupted.

[buoyant pewter]

.....

REALLY?

[unreal nova]

Yeah, with those curios.

[buoyant pewter]

Well I may need to do that next time with my Static

[unreal nova]

You will be close to 45% corrupted but beacon exist.

[buoyant pewter]

"What the kark are you doing?" "DONT WORRY ABOUT IT"

[unreal nova]

Just beacon the boo boo away.

[buoyant pewter]

HEHEHE

Thats going to be funny

[unreal nova]

I know, my builds usually have some insane logic to them.

[buoyant pewter]

They've all been quite fun

Especially the swap-assail psyker

[unreal nova]

Just not meta. Unless I'm proving a point.

[buoyant pewter]

Yeee

It's helping a lot of the meta burnout just doing other stuff

[unreal nova]

Is just silly things, yep.

No point playing if not having fun.

[covert dagger]

Don’t let anyone catch you saying that.

[buoyant pewter]

Have fallen into that boat at this point cause the obsession with breakpoints, proper loadouts.etc has made me go a little insane

[unreal nova]

Path reeeeeeeeeeee at my vet builds already so I won.

[buoyant pewter]

[bleak tendon]

Guys why does vet feel squishier than psyker to me

[normal bay]

Are you using iron will/close order drill and at least two toughness curios?

[bleak tendon]

Yuh

[buoyant pewter]

Well, Psyker has a lot of very strong defensive options is partially why.

[bleak tendon]

Hmmm that could be it yeah

[unreal nova]

Shout?

[bleak tendon]

Yup

[unreal nova]

Cos I find it easier to clutch on vet.

[bleak tendon]

Ironically my catachan infiltrator feels like he survives for longer

[unreal nova]

Especially the plasma ds4 build.

[buoyant pewter]

This would likely be due to Infil dropping all aggro off you

And onto someone else

[bleak tendon]

As it should be 🙏

[buoyant pewter]

HAHAHAHA

XD

[unreal nova]

Only bad players need to aggro dump.

[bleak tendon]

I think it’s cause vet feels less mobile and stam feels bad

[bleak tendon]

Exact use of the ability but alright

[buoyant pewter]

That is one thing I've argued; why is the soldier the least fit (slow stam recov)

Is it all the extra corpse starch?

[bleak tendon]

Fr???? Like psyker should have the worst stam regen and I say that as a psyker main

Frail asf

[unreal nova]

And stealth always is arse.

[bleak tendon]

Except zealots one

But zealot actually has like

[buoyant pewter]

It is funny in a 4 person one cause you get to watch the mobs have a aneurysm every so often

[bleak tendon]

Until death and other useful nodes

[bleak tendon]

Remember when you could drop aggro off of a daemonhost with stealth?

Have it attack someone else?

[buoyant pewter]

I don't want that back but yes

[bleak tendon]

One of the few times in darktide history that I saw actual griefing

[buoyant pewter]

I'm still amazed at how many people just proc a host and then bail instantly

In norms

[bleak tendon]

Especially when they are not built as a tank/boss hunter class

Like why are you expecting me to help you, you will die before we kill it anyways, weirdo

[buoyant pewter]

I've encountered that once I think and it was a Psyker with DClaw and Kinetic

Cause they wanted to do the parry game

[bleak tendon]

Devils claw is like a god sent

I don’t know what they did to it recently but oh my god dueling monstrosities is the best thing ever

[buoyant pewter]

Here's hoping the give the Macabian DS that parry cause I want my saber to do funny parry not stab stab

[unreal nova]

Eh, Fury still better.

[bleak tendon]

I found the duelling sword special to be so forgetful

[bleak tendon]

You mean chastise?

[buoyant pewter]

It's an amazing stagger option, spammed a lot often for that

But otherwise reeee

[bleak tendon]

Hmm perchance

[unreal nova]

That happens to me at 300 ping. Roll to see if enemies notice me. Roll to see if they decide to target me. Roll to see if I hit or they hit.

[buoyant pewter]

Has the lagspikes been any better of late?

[unreal nova]

Same thing, so yes.

[buoyant pewter]

Or you still rotating between servers?

[unreal nova]

Nope.

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[buoyant pewter]

[unreal nova]

Bursters are bad cos rng roll to see if push worked.

[bleak tendon]

I’ve noticed too actually, after the recent hotfix I’ve been lagging bad

Love fatshart

[buoyant pewter]

ThiccFish at it again!

[unreal nova]

Not even 12 pushes in a row help.

[buoyant pewter]

I'm surprised you haven't gotten frustrated and just started shooting them out of said frustration.

[unreal nova]

Only on psyker or oggy.

No stam on rest, lul.

[ember nest]

why is it that if I go into a premade specifically I get terrible internet issues in specifically darktide

but if I QP I'm fine

[buoyant pewter]

That is cause the host for the party is usually setting the location of the server point to talk to all the players I believe?

And QP I believe picks the best match to server for your region first before others

I think

[red fox]

What the fuck is happening with the games tonight

not a single successful auric

[buoyant pewter]

Wait until 6pm EST/ GMT-4 you will see roughly better players in AM's

At least that's been my experience

[red fox]

im in asia

[buoyant pewter]

Ahhhh, I don't know the timezone but, in general, evening time for the EU/NA usually sees a huge influx of players off work

[unreal nova]

Host server, if on places with multiple, picks the 'best' based on location of all players. Why it sucks to play with 2+ polish/belarus/ukraine and such players. It's usually ru servers then and I get near 500 ping on top of massive packet loss. Is worse when said people won't even help me deal with too many dogs and trappers. 500 ping means everything is a gamble at a disadvantage.

[unreal nova]

That's GL. Asia is you need to tryhard carry or lose.

The top players there only havoc now.

Is why I wanna play with ppl and hate it when they act like pubs still.

[buoyant pewter]

That explains a bit >_>

[unreal nova]

Yeah.

Is why am annoyed at some. I could just suffer pubs at 4-6 ping instead of dealing with near 500 ping and everyone just leaves me to die.

I can at least shoot trappers and push dogs better at low ping.

Not play fps D&D with every action made.

[buoyant pewter]

Slideshow Darktide

[sonic kayak]

Not even

At like 150~ ping you're already fighting with the servers over telling it what you're doing

500 ping is just straight up possession by daemons

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/devil-chihuahua-demon-exorcist-gif-20018298

[red fox]

Can plasma not one shot gunners?

[unreal nova]

Need unarmoured.

And headshot.

[barren cave]

im not a fan of plasma gun tbh

[tame lodge]

So yes it can

[barren cave]

I prefer bolter

or bistol

[unreal nova]

Been messing with it so found out stuff.

Just to try on overwatch on heresy slack.

[barren cave]

I feel plasma gun is always cleaving when i dont need it to and it doesnt cleave when I need it to

[unreal nova]

Or you get a scare cleaving through 3 trappers... trying to hit something else.

[red fox]

Same im learning

[red fox]

100%

[unreal nova]

Cos I can't aim it.

[barren cave]

i just prefer agri shotgun over everything now

its such an effective sniper

and its great at close range

[narrow widget]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[unreal nova]

I just miss my bistol instant shots lul.

[ember nest]

wrong channel oop

[narrow widget]

[bleak tendon]

Damm there is NO veteran builds on gameslantern

They gotta hurry up with that vet rework 😭😭😭

[narrow widget]

the thing is tho like what are you even looking for
the top of the tree is the same across most builds and the bottom can be whatever

[sonic kayak]

Take my Mk 9 H40 lasgun build

[narrow widget]

take my squiggle

[cunning saffron]

Dayum

[stiff glacier]

Man do i hate to check darklantern for build ideas and they pretty much always are the mk4 ds plasma/bolter/flamer shout/relic builds

[cunning saffron]

let me take a peek

[stiff glacier]

[sonic kayak]

That's why you're here

[stiff glacier]

I need to start puttinh my builds there that none have ds4

They will have ds mk5

[cunning saffron]

by the by is it kantrael or helbore lasgun

[sonic kayak]

Kantrael, that's the only Mk 9 lasgun

It is admittedly a WIP and only tried it once

[cunning saffron]

personally i just cannot use the helbore lasgun

its Infuriating

[stiff glacier]

Helbore requires bit of building up for preferance

I hated it too

Until i got right skills and mk4 helbore with surgical

[leaden condor]

Marks matter?

[cunning saffron]

nah like physically its hell on my nerves
something about the intermittent 'hold down left click' then fire then do that again

feels bad for my finger

[grand perch]

best mk 9 ilas build:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f2da117-61ea-40f2-93d3-db15a89f95a0/lasgun-kills-armor-meme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9nBh7uT7Ug

[tame lodge]

Often yes

[stiff glacier]

I cant stand other helbore marks

Mk4 i feel i consistsnly onetap things

And 2 tap crushers

(And occasionally onetap them too)

[leaden condor]

Is there a difference between that and weapon variants or are they the same?

[cunning saffron]

i yearn to larp as that veteran in the loading screen

arlo tomahansson i think is his name

[narrow widget]

it's mostly stuff like firing speed, per shot damage, ammo count etc

[bleak tendon]

A different way to play vet, usually

[buoyant pewter]

I can always recommend just having fun with a Chainaxe and Double Barrel with weapon specialist. Even if you're using basically the usual suspects for a build, the weapon swapup is very fun

[viral nacelle]

whats the non ds meta pick for h40 vet?

i can always just do ds but i dun wanna

[barren cave]

psword

[viral nacelle]

fuck that im doin shovel

good talk

[barren cave]

i use taxe

[viral nacelle]

legit but i want to hit people with my poop digger

[ember nest]

I have the insane urge to just make an uncharged lucius spam build

[leaden condor]

Ogryn club is down the hall

[ember nest]

uh

[buoyant pewter]

[sudden cedar]

Very good.

Error 404 Machine Spirit not found.

[dapper pier]

Whats the mark difference on infantry las?

[ember nest]

rip shovel

[sudden cedar]

Shovel has Hotshot?

[ember nest]

sort of

you could taxi it from helbore

and it was like 80$ cleave at level 1

[sudden cedar]

Yeah, bugs.

[ember nest]

but they suddenly and inexplicably remembered it and fixed it

[sudden cedar]

As they should.

[covert fable]

Amogus

[covert fable]

It wouldn't let me put two of the same numbers so that pause button should do as an eleven

[hollow ibex]

too op, vet shovel was trivializing the game

[sharp epoch]

nerf vet op

[midnight wyvern]

1 tapped one with the mk8 exe on arb earlier and was just so utterly confused

[hybrid plover]

This is honestly the one case where I really didn't see a point.

[sudden cedar]

Of course not, cause you were using it.

🙂

[hybrid plover]

There are much worse issues with balance with this game right now than a funny cleave bug on the Helbore.

It was unintended, yes, but realistically there should be manners to help with cleave on all classes anyway.

[sudden cedar]

In all seriousness tho, the higher cleave makes it viable.

[hybrid plover]

It just made something that was somewhat used, now a lot less used.

[quick fossil]

Trying out the recon lasgun build. It is pretty fun even through i suck at clicking on heads.

[hybrid plover]

And on what is arguably the most shafted class in terms of balance? I dunno. There's more pressing matters to worry about in my honest opinion.

[sudden cedar]

@quick fossil You'll get the hang of it.

[hybrid plover]

The best way to do that.

Just always keep your crosshair head level.

[quick fossil]

NGL, i feel weak whenever i am playing something that is not Arbties or Ogryn.

Like arbites lets me carry team out of situation i have no business carrying.

[sudden cedar]

Because that is how it is.

There is no sugarcoating it.

[hybrid plover]

The nerf arby propaganda will never end.

Because it isn't propaganda.

[quick fossil]

By the way which mk lasgun is best ?

[hybrid plover]

Recon?

[quick fossil]

Hmm yea recon lasgun

just feeling like being a pew pew soldier instead of being melee most of the time.

[vale tundra]

i like the mk XII

[quick fossil]

Rather than nerf arby, it feels like Buff other class to arby

[tall torrent]

Nah do both

[hybrid plover]

If we buff everything to arby and ogryn level, this game becomes laughably easy in auric.

Fatshark deciding to balance around Havoc has been a bad idea from the getgo and now we're seeing the consequences of it.

Havoc was not meant to be the challenging but fair game mode.

[vale tundra]

how difficult is Havoc? ive yet to try it

[tall torrent]

Basically just super dense elite horde + boss spam

[hybrid plover]

1-16 is basically spicy malice to heresy with some modifers. 16-21 is spicy auric heresy. 21-30 is spicy auric damnation. 30-40 is CBT.

[tall torrent]

And enemy spawns are significantly higher

[hybrid plover]

and for some reason 40 is easier than 30-39 because less modifiers

even if technically the hidden modifiers are at their max.

[tame lodge]

Vet players not beating the can't aim allegations 😭

[tall torrent]

No?

[tame lodge]

Another 500 buffs to Psyker

🗣️

[vale tundra]

interesting, ill have to give it a try later

[tame lodge]

Are you familiar with the CIVI and I-II-V-E-G maelstroms?

Yeah they married those two

[hybrid plover]

Every 40 i've done for some reason tends to only have 3 modifiers. i dont know if this is just an rng thing for me though

[tame lodge]

Past havoc 25

Because low level havocs are just malice difficulty

[hybrid plover]

while that, I regularly see 30-39 with four. It's weird.

Okay no actually I've seen

one 40 with four of them.

It was a pox gas modifier with blight and garden.

I was not touching that shit.

[quick fossil]

I blame the game for making me play too many quickstab revolver, bolt guns, or forbid shotguns.

Those don't need to point at head. just a ammo dump and things usually die

[sudden cedar]

What craftsman would blame their tools?

[quick fossil]

Outside of dueling sword, what other melee weapons is good on Vet ?

[vale tundra]

people say that the power sword is great

combat knife feels nice too

[hybrid plover]

Power sword, combat knife, tac axe, combat axe, shovel :). Veteran's pretty good on melee selection for Auric but in Havoc, it's one of those cases where the sheer damage starts to really show in edge for PS

[sonic kayak]

Taxe, Caxe, PSword, knife, shovel takes effort to make "good" but it's viable

[hybrid plover]

But honestly, the only weapon I really can't justify using on Vet is chainsword tbh

[vale tundra]

how come? sometimes i like it

[hybrid plover]

The damage is disappointing on armor unless you rev, but then doing that takes time and ya wait and five ragers turn you into a spiral potato

[vale tundra]

ah fair

[hybrid plover]

Horde clear is good, but honestly there are just better options for that that can also focus on single target more. It's in a disappointing spot imho

[vale tundra]

so its got like bad dps on high level stuff

[hybrid plover]

And noticeably so.

It works on arbitrator. But that's arbitrator so that's not a good measure of how good of a weapon it is in all

[vale tundra]

interesting

[balmy ermine]

Not on pc :<

[tame lodge]

The shovel sneak is crazy

💀

[balmy ermine]

The markVll is the best tbh but the small blue one fires faster at the cost of damage and the mk12(?) Fires the slowest but is the hardest hitting

But tbh you'd be better off running recon

Because the infantry lasgun is MISERABLE to use sometimes

Well not really

It just takes a lot more effort than its really worth to like imo

[tall torrent]

power sword
knife
combat axe

tac axe is a low investment self defence melee

[hollow ibex]

hsword my beloved

[vale tundra]

idk why but when i tried the heavy sword it just didnt feel good

[hollow ibex]

try mk vi with flakiac + deathblow headtaker

[hybrid plover]

just need to run something that can handle carapace

[hollow ibex]

Or be a chad and plink crushers to death at 500 dps

[viral nacelle]

I like shovel

It makes a good bonk

I think I have my mk4 built wrong for havoc tho

Helbore is nice

[plain osprey]

I dont like the damage on shovel (unless its the special folded attack) especially the normal heavies feel undepowered.

[plain osprey]

IF you can aim

I cant. But i still use it anyways

[heavy rover]

it's not just nice, it is peak

...sights could use some work though

[plain osprey]

Managed to kill a chaos spawn with it today

Was surprised i managed but ey, here we are

[buoyant pewter]

The Silent Shoveler

[viral nacelle]

I’ve been point blanking stuff which solves the problem

[viral nacelle]

I’ve also been butt stocking stuff with the double barrel on my psyker 😂

One dude had a dog on him and I gave it the shotty’s butt and then blasted a trapper that was coming for me, great times

[heavy rover]

Real. Taking down a boss with less than one mag hits like nothing else

[void dragon]

Man I have been trying to use some Autoguns and it has been quite the pain, from caparace and bulwarks to constantly running low on ammo it's quite the chore only comparable to twin stubber Ogryn cornered by a bulwark conga...and it's just on regular aurics! why are this guns so dreadful?

[plain osprey]

You can chew through carapace with autoguns. But i am too tired to explain how.

@steep flower should have all the answers you need.

[orchid hemlock]

Did you feel your soul getting ripped when a Mauler walked up

[vale tundra]

nah i just felt like i was doing no damage

so actually yea

[void dragon]

The thing is that the weapon group feels incredibly outpaced by recon lasguns in ammo economy, capacity to shred armour with stuff like onslaught while Keeping up on damage with infernus because brittleness makes it actually kill lots of stuff, weapons like Brautos just feel that we're made for an entire different game, can't find a good way to make them run as well

[steep flower]

we can discuss that tomorrow if you want

[void dragon]

Would appreciate it, take your time over all mate Papa

[steep flower]

Ay; tough day ahead but i’ll find time for ya in the end of it; will note ya

[void dragon]

Again, take your time, Papa's wellbeing is the priority over such small thing

[quick fossil]

Is Iron will good ?

[narrow frost]

all vet builds will take it

since its the only good damage reduction vet has

[quick fossil]

what about toughness replenishment ? are there must have vet talents ?

[orchid hemlock]

You get them normally if you path towards out for blood or confirmed kill

Both of which are at the start of the tree

[quick fossil]

Hmm guess i will take both to be extra safe

[orchid hemlock]

You can't

Well I guess you tech can, but you would be wasting a lot of points

[quick fossil]

hmm true, i think i even skipped the keystone because none of them feel strong lol

😭

[orchid hemlock]

Shout is also an ability that gives Vet instant full toughness

[quick fossil]

Yea. i have voc on.

[orchid hemlock]

The main reason why it's the best ability is because Vet has the worst Toughness Regen options

[orchid hemlock]

VOC instantly give you full toughness on cast

[quick fossil]

i thought Psyker had it worse but eh dunno, it just feels like i die with psyker the most

[orchid hemlock]

Psyker imo is the hardest class in the game to die as 😈

[quick fossil]

💀 Guess i just have skill issue + build issue.

💀 Ohh ... yea ... i am dying in damnation

[orchid hemlock]

It's not the toughness it's the fact you have soo many tools to get out of bad situations

[quick fossil]

Trying to unlock auric atm on all the class i like to play which is vet, arbites and crying on pysker

Ahh i see. I am following this one player's suggestion from psyker channel since i asked for a build that use venting shriek + electric staff but eh ... ngl electric staff feel super weak and generates too much peril for little to no damage.

[orchid hemlock]

You don't need to understand why Psyker is probably the most broken class in the game

But the day you figure out, it will be like a lightbulb in your head

[blazing jetty]

infinite ammo flamethrower

[leaden skiff]

There a Weapons Specialist build still out there? Searching by the keystone I wanna Acheese is hard lol

[orchid hemlock]

I'm pretty sure at least 60% of the build where use WS

In isolation it's probably the best keystone

[atomic void]

i just played with an EK psyker than killed everything in the entire level and it was hilarious to see 😭

[tawny storm]

Hey can someone share a good Bolter build I like the gun but idk how to spec it out

[viral nacelle]

Most people can’t play it tho

Tough coming off classes where you have fancy stuff like TDR and gold toughness and switching to a class whose defensive strategy boils down to “literally never be hit” oh and the weapons can kill you 😂

[livid hill]

i hope exec stance gets buff, maybe extra crit and faster reload. maybe like, for every elite you kill you gain 10% loaded into ur mag

[hollow ibex]

a lot of vet things need buffs

😭

[primal zealot]

buff plasma

[hollow ibex]

if you're talking about the charged shot, unironically yes

[primal zealot]

charged shot ?

[hollow ibex]

yeah cuz charged shot is ass rn

[primal zealot]

[hollow ibex]

i'm too lazy to get you up to speed

[primal zealot]

im screwin with u bro

[primal zealot]

lmaaaoooo yessss

make it a ratchet n clank gun

[covert fable]

Buff the shockmaul on vet only ✨️

[grand perch]

Better call Shmaul

[covert fable]

Love that

[sharp epoch]

chat did i cook

[covert fable]

yes

[grand perch]

No

Maybe

Can you repeat the question

[fossil creek]

How do u check this

[red portal]

This h40? Or maelstrom?

Either way gj

[sharp epoch]

h37

[tawdry nova]

Weapon idea for veteran akimbo pistols

[calm shard]

the damage is not why exe is bad

exe is bad because vet has no good way to get toughness back outside of infiltrate/VoC

[austere mica]

It’s entirely the FoV decrease

[calm shard]

and exe is the only ability that doesn't help with that

[austere mica]

Remove that and exe stance is the best ability in the game

[sonic pecan]

did they rework vet yet

[austere mica]

Nope

Wait until zealot is done then come back

[calm shard]

haven't even gotten our promised new weapons

smh

[tall torrent]

I think the 2 remaining content drops this year are gonna be new weapons + maps

[calm shard]

hell yeah that means vet may actually get their new weapons as the last content drop of the year

[tall torrent]

Hopefully 1 new melee weapon (that’s actually good and can compete vs power sword) and 1 new ranged weapon on veteran

Both with at least 2 variants

[austere mica]

Catachan dueling glaive

Please

[tall torrent]

AFAIK they’re being looked into simultaneously

[calm shard]

I can see getting multiple ranged weapons if Fatshark finally decides to add heavy stubbers

[sonic pecan]

Adrathic disintegrators

[calm shard]

Then vet can get heavy stubber+hotshot las

And heavy stubber can be a crossover episode with Arbites

not that that's ever going to happen

all we kind of "know" is power axe likely

[tall torrent]

I doubt

I’ll be disappointed if new vet melee is just the other power sword family in the code tho

[calm shard]

It would be so funny if it was though

[austere mica]

Catachan dueling glaive

[calm shard]

1* new melee weapon and it's just a different moveset for power sword

[tall torrent]

Nah I meant the heat meter family of power sword

I might actually lose full if the new vet weapon is just another power sword family that uses heat meter

[tawdry nova]

Or hear me out

A GL for vet

And it benefits from the grenade skills

[austere mica]

Please no

[mortal aspen]

Trollhammer Torpedo for Vet

[austere mica]

No

No

No

Please

Not again

[tawdry nova]

But boom

[austere mica]

Have you seen rumbler

Please no

A grenade launcher would be so busted on a reworked vet

[calm shard]

hell YES

give it puncture+lethal proximity

[tawdry nova]

The emperor would approve

[calm shard]

AND THEN have it so that there's a GLITCH

where if you have shredders equipped it bugs out and uses their damage profile instead

[tawdry nova]

Working as the God emperor intended

Or absolutely erasing armored targets with a krak launcher

[grand perch]

Didn't play vt2 anymore when it was introduced. Did it delete bosses and such too well?

[austere mica]

It could replenish ammo from headshots

And inherited bomb perks

[calm shard]

yeah that seems reasonable

[austere mica]

You could use it on anything you wanted as long as you could aim

[calm shard]

we should totally buff shock trooper so that it applies to all weapons and not just las weapons

[grand perch]

Oh neat

[mortal aspen]

not anymore

[austere mica]

I said could

Past tense

[grand perch]

Not the first time I heard that idea, but never unironically

Infinite ammo bolters

[calm shard]

tbh the bolter is the only gun that makes me hesitant to say that unironically

[dry cloak]

Ah yes 21 shot revolver

[mortal aspen]

Trollhammer is still busted because it turns every threat into a joke, namely patrols and bosses

[calm shard]

we've got las weapons that cover all the bases already

[grand perch]

Deadshot new meta to kill the entire planet

[calm shard]

Helbore and Recon are like obviously busted

Would it really be that bad to have an ammo efficient Bolter?

[grand perch]

You'd be surprised how many people sleep on helbore, I'd wager

[austere mica]

1 mag dump with like zero building

For bosses

[calm shard]

it's fine veteran can have a crumb of boss damage as a treat

[austere mica]

Take Cavalcade over whatever else

[grand perch]

Nah, it really wouldn't be fine

[calm shard]

Only because of the Bolter really

[grand perch]

That's ds4 levels of stupidly good

[calm shard]

Actually maybe the world would be better off without infinite ammo Vraks IAG too

[austere mica]

You would have infinite ammo on any weapon with surgical

So bistol, revolver, and vigilant

[tall torrent]

I think shock trooper should come with a reserve ammo penalty

Just, in general

[dry cloak]

It is a tradeoff

[tall torrent]

If ur gonna bank on crit to sustain ur ammo pool u prob should rly be investing in it

[tawdry nova]

So what perks should I put on vets weapons and curios just wanna see if I'm doing something wrong

[dry cloak]

My only gripe with helbore besides sights is that there are to many enemies.

[tawdry nova]

Infantry can be decent at times for me

[tall torrent]

What weapons

[tawdry nova]

Haven't played with the helbore

[tawdry nova]

Power sword and recon las

[dry cloak]

I think fatshark needs to cut some player power while decreasing the amount of enemies and increasing theyre power. So crushers are not a joke like they are noe

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/6YHvXgx just be built different (this is a Vigilant but the point stands)

[dry cloak]

I am built different. I use the mk3 vigil on the regular and do well

They thibg is i would prefer doing that with helbore

The thibg is arbites shotgun is addicting

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1407989053109829652/Screenshot_20250818_010537.png?ex=68a96cfd&is=68a81b7d&hm=1f844790e4ae4bfc367a86ecc4314365222f025eb6e6dea075b38505e403931d&

[tawdry nova]

I haven't sat down and grinded the arby shotty I saw riot shield and committed to that

[austere mica]

Shmield is neat

[tawdry nova]

4 80S?!!!

[austere mica]

But I cannot play arbitrator for long

Brainrot class

[austere mica]

This is normal

Godrolls are cheap enough to have become the norm

[tawdry nova]

I haven't been blessed with rng lately

[calm shard]

normal and very common at max level nowadays

[tawdry nova]

From melk I assume?

Or just as drops?

[austere mica]

Back in my day we used to have to find a weapon with like a 350+ stat total and desirable dump stat + 2 or more usable perks/blessings of a decent rarity

[calm shard]

the regular armory

[austere mica]

Now you can just brunt pull a base with a good dump stat potential for like 100k dockets and then mod it up cheaply

Does anyone else remember the mobility breakpoint

[tall torrent]

51%+

[tawdry nova]

Did not know that thank you

[austere mica]

The shit we used to deal with to experience this game

[crimson wyvern]

We do need more things to spend our resources on and I'm not kidding

[tall torrent]

Wish they added more penance cosmetics

Grinding penances is kinda fun

[austere mica]

Sounds like someone who either plays the game far too much or isn’t working on a full collection of every weapon and mk + specific variants for every class

(I’m the latter, my broke ass is starved for diamantine constantly)

[crimson wyvern]

Id do that if the inventory system didn't make my head hurt

Having to work with one single column to sort through is rough to say the least

[tawdry nova]

I mean they could have a transfer system like say you get a dueling sword that you really wouldn't need or want on say vet you could transfer it to your psyker

[dry cloak]

Delete ds from vet and zelot

[austere mica]

This wouldn’t help me, I’m in it for the collection

I’ve got one of every melee on zealot right now

Not every mark

[crimson wyvern]

Genie already out of bottle sadly

[austere mica]

It’s the most complete of the classes for me

[dry cloak]

Try to get carried throigh some h40s

Thats 26k diam per week

[crimson wyvern]

It's like ai stealing everything. Should of been governed by people with a brain and conscience but as it stands we got apes behaving like they're chefs cause they can use a microwave

[austere mica]

I don’t play enough for that anymore

And the last time I tried h40 it was demoralizing

I want an actual group I know before I play it

[crimson wyvern]

I really hope ds doesn't get parry and they just make it useless at horde clear

[austere mica]

It’s already bad at it

They need to take down it’s overwhelming strength

[crimson wyvern]

Not bad enough

[austere mica]

Which is it’s stupid singletarget

[mortal aspen]

member when superarmor was a threat

[dry cloak]

Kill its cara damage to 1/4 of current

[mortal aspen]

I member

[crimson wyvern]

People will never ever except a power nerf even tho it needs one the safer option is my idea imo

Accept*

[dry cloak]

I want that to return

[austere mica]

Make it a real Sabre like mk5 is and have it bounce off of carapace armor because it’s a slashing sword

[dry cloak]

Sabres were mainly slashing woth stabbing potential

But you aint gonna stab through sokid metal plate

[tall torrent]

I think it needs dodge template override removed and lower damage for heavy atks

[mortal aspen]

you're stabbing through gaps, but it's too strong

[calm shard]

I would like a proper good at horde clear bad at armor mobility melee

[tall torrent]

20% ish lower heavy stab damage

20-25%

[calm shard]

Tac axe is kinda mid at both and doesn't really fully commit to horde clear if you can't hit BM breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Also controversial take

[dry cloak]

Heavu seord mk6

[tall torrent]

I think tac axe also shouldn’t have dodge template override now that it got damage buffed

[mortal aspen]

you take that back

[calm shard]

Mobility not good enough

[mortal aspen]

#bufftaxe

[barren cave]

[tall torrent]

Dodge template override is cringe

[dry cloak]

Play zealot with it. Fixes the mob problem

[crimson wyvern]

Devil claw is kind of this but it's the biggest Milhouse weapon of the game so no one likes it

[barren cave]

im okay with that, just buff and rework cs

give more weapons

[dry cloak]

We both like it englishman

[calm shard]

Why would I want to play worse gun psyker

[tall torrent]

I would prefer if it got a bit more damage but didn’t have dodge template override

[barren cave]

also, two of the caxe marks suck , make them good too

[dry cloak]

Variety

[calm shard]

What variety

Their one build?

[austere mica]

Caxe in general isn’t good

[barren cave]

?

rashad is the bomb

[austere mica]

It’s suspended solely by brutal momentum

If you remove that blessing it’s a pretty terrible weapon

[barren cave]

oh yeah , blessings, there are so many crap blessings across the game, buff those too

[calm shard]

I mean if we wanna make arguments like that we could say the same about any weapon with Uncanny strikes

[austere mica]

It’s got pretty good carapace/uny damage

[calm shard]

Power Sword is bad because it's reliant on Power Cycler

[tall torrent]

3 of the 4 that have uncanny strike are usable without it

[austere mica]

But that’s kinda it without game mechanic abuse

[dry cloak]

Listen to @crimson wyvern make all blessing quirky like last guard for example

[crimson wyvern]

Blessings don't need buffs that whole system needs a rewrite rofl.

So long as there is "you do more damage" blessings no one will ever choose stagger ones or the fun timing ones

[barren cave]

also rework vets skill tree and give him some purpose instead of being an ammo and shout bot

also krak nades

just that. Krak nades.

[dry cloak]

Yeah kraks what about them?

[crimson wyvern]

Blessings should be like talents. Good situationally and not strong or weak. But people are too hung up on their power fantasies

[tall torrent]

Nah arb shield&maul is pretty good on that front

[dry cloak]

But thats arbys shield

[calm shard]

I unironically run counterattack on my arbites shield

[primal zealot]

vet can also shoot stuff (so ive heard)

[calm shard]

Easy to keep it active by using special and pushes

[crimson wyvern]

One weapon is good so blessings as a whole are fine lmao

[calm shard]

And hey attack speed value

[crimson wyvern]

What logic

[calm shard]

It has a good varied blessing pool

Every other weapon in the game...not so much

[dry cloak]

Combat axes aye like 2 blessings

Rest is useless

[mortal aspen]

GG blessings 💀

[tall torrent]

No, just saying that having +damage blessings is ok

[barren cave]

gg blessings

[tall torrent]

Not all of them have to be quirky things

I do think majority of weapons need better blessings and some blessings need to be integrated into base weapons

[dry cloak]

Yes bromentum is a plus dam blessing and it dominates any weapon its on

[crimson wyvern]

They do tho. Because your weapons you've quoted me are new. Over time they get meta'd and before you know it everyone is running skullcrusher momentum

[barren cave]

let vet dual wield zarona revolvers

[primal zealot]

imagine depackitate being a good blessing

yeehaw

[primal zealot]

wait arent you the thunderous pickaxe enjoyer ??

how u been bro

[crimson wyvern]

I laugh at every mister E darktide video because god bless him what else is he ever going to say. He has no choice for 90% of the games weapons

Yeah you want skullcrusher for this one

[unreal nova]

Exe stance now also akimbo your current gun.

[crimson wyvern]

Well damn how about that

[austere mica]

Mister E is also just like

[barren cave]

[austere mica]

Not a good source of info

And has diverged into slop content

[dry cloak]

Best source of info is ogrynomicon

[primal zealot]

i never watch streamers but im pretty sure hes also a tarkov streamer n they named an item after him

[calm shard]

https://youtu.be/KsQVaKCBo2o?t=34 veteran players after killing 20 specialists and stacking the akimbo effect

[crimson wyvern]

He has background fatshark info were not privvy too iirc catachan as he's a darktide creator and I literally dunno anyone else who has that

[unreal nova]

Hey, it will make it worth it. And a node to halve the ammo cost of it while in stance.

[barren cave]

let vet dual wield all single handed ranged weapons

[tall torrent]

He’s not playtester and doesn’t have that kind of info he’s just given media build access afaik

[steep flower]

Nah; hammerblow is what you should be using on shield & maul

[barren cave]

~~ theyl probably let the ganger class do that~~

[calm shard]

revolver seems very balanced with this idea

[barren cave]

yes

zarona revolvers that too

perfection.

BANGBANGBANGBANGBANG

[calm shard]

nurgle gifts you an extra pair of arms to fan the agri revolver

[unreal nova]

@primal zealot It lets you light spam bully crusher hordes.

[steep flower]

Nor really

[unreal nova]

I have done 10 crushers and 6 maulers at the same time before.

[steep flower]

Whats the confusion @primal zealot ?

[unreal nova]

@silver wing What are you thinking...

[calm shard]

I think hammerblow lets the shield+maul stagger crushers

It's a pretty good choice since shield+maul doesn't have any of the obviously overtuned blessings

So you can justify running utility instead

[primal zealot]

high voltage + the other thing

skullcrusher ?

[steep flower]

It does not have it

[calm shard]

shield maul doesn't have skullcrusher

[tall torrent]

Shield+maul has a bunch of different ways u can run it

Counterattack
Hammerblow
Lightning reflexes
Opportunist
High voltage
Last guard

[calm shard]

counterattack my beloved

[unreal nova]

Wot?

[primal zealot]

yea opportunist

[barren cave]

anyone got feedback for this vet build? its with agri shotgun and taxe

[calm shard]

stacks so well with Retaliatory Force

[primal zealot]

forgive me i only have one thought per sometimes

[dry cloak]

2/10 shout build

[steep flower]

Why would you not run a blessing that increases CC on a weapon that thrives in it so you can be a mini ogryn in terms of stagger?
Swear hammerblow is soo underrated its criminal

[unreal nova]

Oh yeah. Time to upload the most boring build I have ever cooked up.

[steep flower]

Right bottom tree tax but overall nice

[primal zealot]

ill have to remember to rebless it. never considered it since arby staggers so hard already

[steep flower]

With hammerblow is nice but it does not get enough value on arby nor the weapon itself

[barren cave]

i run high voltage and oppo on smaulshield yeah

[calm shard]

I use HV+Counterattack

[mortal aspen]

those are all great talents

[steep flower]

Ye try it; its bonkers

[tall torrent]

Opportunist is ok
It helps vs like 3 enemies usually

[steep flower]

Desperado & reciprocity i understand cause taxe but rest is not needed

[tall torrent]

The thing is it’s just gonna be mid vs unyielding pretty much no matter what

[primal zealot]

yea i will. gotta figure out the double riot shield build of my dreams

[tall torrent]

Counterattack is super addicting once u spec block talents

[steep flower]

1; crusher cause rest gets CC or is flak and that weapon has good adm on it

[tall torrent]

+22% atk speed on perfect block

[mortal aspen]

25% attack speed from 2 talents
and occasional guaranteed crits for agri, sounds great to me

[tall torrent]

If u want to meme rly hard u could run like
Counterattack + lightning reflexes which is actually cracked if u have insane block timings

It’s very unorthodox for sure but it is so sick when it works

[calm shard]

makes you long for the days of pre-nerf lightning reflexes

[tall torrent]

Even current it’s justifiable on this weapon

Cuz u actually do block

[calm shard]

yeah I know

[tall torrent]

And it’s +25% str

Which is a bit better than high voltage

[calm shard]

full headtaker stack

[tall torrent]

Cuz most of ur talents are +damage

And +str works on first hits on fresh targets

HV needs a stagger to electrocute then it’ll start working

My biggest gripe with shield+maul is just it having mid unyielding damage

[true moon]

What build should I be looking at coming back to the game? The bolter and plasma are sick, but on the middle difficulty everyone just scatters and sprints off, so I just get swarmed immediately and barely get to shoot anything.

[mortal aspen]

go up in difficulty as soon as you can

[austere mica]

That’s just an issue with low diff target density

[unreal nova]

@steep flower https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fb1b3c2-fad7-4ebe-97fd-994d2245cc2e/kittehs-boring-kinda-meta-build How boring is this on the boring scale?

[austere mica]

You have a lot more gunners and specials higher up

[true moon]

Really? Alright. I was just scared to go higher because I was already getting wrecked lol

I assume the random groups is part of it too

[austere mica]

If you’re having a hard time then don’t go up

What’re you having trouble with

[barren cave]

its the same as the one I posted above, except youve got field improv instead of demo team, and meta weapons instead of taxe and agri shotgun

[true moon]

The party just runs around like maniacs. Seems like most people I’ve got matched with are melee. So they sprint full speed off. I think I’m fairly good at getting my shots on the elites and such. Just get left behind and swarmed a lot.

[steep flower]

Very but its not 100% copy

[austere mica]

Melee is the way to go

[unreal nova]

It's the joke on that's literally a meme but also boring meta build. And yes, I WS with plasma cos funni.

[austere mica]

As long as you have LoS with your party you’re pretty much ok

But practicing melee is a very good idea if you’re not great