veteran-class

[tall torrent]

VIc is best overall imo if u don’t min max infernus DOT kills

[bleak oasis]

See, that's what I think too.
But I'm arguing with someone who doesn't trust my word for it.

[tall torrent]

Why do u need to convince them

[bleak oasis]

They're a friend.

[tall torrent]

Recons are so similar that there’s no strictly best choice tbh

[bleak oasis]

He picks the one with 2 ammo per shot and the slowest rate of fire and gets swarmed by trash mobs on low havoc

[tall torrent]

Oh

Tell him to use melee lol

That’s not a gun problem

[bleak oasis]

You think we haven't tried

[tall torrent]

That’s him refusing to play melee

[bleak oasis]

Insists on playing darktide like a proper FPS

[tall torrent]

Worst case u just play duo/trio and let him spectate half the game

Not unfixable

[bleak oasis]

If only I were that good.

[tall torrent]

Maybe don’t drag him into havoc? Idk

If he’s super new start at like malice or smth

[primal zealot]

lmao yea if hes allergic to melee its all totally cooked no matter what

[bleak oasis]

Drag? He asks and insists.

[tall torrent]

Ok then just have him spectate half game

Given enough downs he’ll surely get around it

Or quit the game

[barren cave]

Is fire frenzy better or ds

Everyone seems to take ds

But doesn't ff stack

[primal zealot]

they both stack

[tall torrent]

Usually
Deathspitter

But it depends on the gun

It’s because the damage bonuses can normally get are +damage

And deathspitter being +str is multiplicative onto that

Which may not be a huge difference from fire frenzy’s +Ndmg (additive with +dmg)

[mortal aspen]

tell him if he wants to play the hardest mode in the game, he needs to learn how to use melee

it's a melee game no matter what

and such a good melee system too

[barren cave]

Which shovel is best

Also is it any good

[tall torrent]

1 / 7

[tall torrent]

No

[barren cave]

Rip

I'm using taxe rn

Getting bored of it

Psword is super braindead

[midnight wyvern]

Use Caxe

[late jungle]

9

[tame lodge]

Ogryn ones

[late jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/fly-insect-bug-evil-plot-gif-5650927

[ember nest]

How is shmaul on vet in havoc

[tame lodge]

It exists

But monstrosity spam is going to suck really hard

Omega hard

Ultra duper super hard

[steep flower]

I can show you whats what after i return home… so in like… +7h from now on

[unreal nova]

Just say you are going in DRY as the Sahara Desert.

[barren cave]

Is bolter dump collateral or mob

Also how what perks does it run, I'm assuming it's unyielding and something

[unreal nova]

Mobility... 1 less bullet to open bulwarks if needed.

Collateral is still fine.

Depends on what you value more.

[barren cave]

Does the mob like, improve the draw speed

[crimson wyvern]

Shmaul and hellebore 4 is my goto set nowadays 😄

[unreal nova]

Nope.

You abuse throwing knoifes on zealot for a reason.

Animation cancel.

Best you can do on vet is one motion.

Or exe stance.

[barren cave]

What does max mob give vs max collateral

On bolter

[unreal nova]

Better sprint/dodge distance.

Still meh.

But can mean dodging something vs getting hit.

[crimson wyvern]

None of the weapon stats do what you think they do. Still thought defences gave you block efficiency for the longest time

[barren cave]

So perks on bolter are flak maniac?

[steep flower]

Mob; you don’t lose dodges & you’ll never be sprinting with that weapon

[steep flower]

Carapace & unyielding; its desighned to kill big things - make it better

[narrow widget]

cara unyielding my beloved

[calm shard]

I do unyielding+elites

unyielding because bolter has crazy boss damage

[plain osprey]

Dumpstat on the hellbore?

[calm shard]

stability

[plain osprey]

And on p gun?

[grand perch]

@tired egret

[plain osprey]

Sorry for tagging you but dumpstat on p gun?

[unreal nova]

68-69 thermal 72-71 charge rate.

[plain osprey]

Those are ugly numbers

Why no clean 60s?

[unreal nova]

You want minmax, that's minmax.

[steep flower]

I would say ammo actually

[unreal nova]

If you poor, I suggest thermal dump.

[steep flower]

Yeah about that; can show ya later about it if you want

[unreal nova]

Some will say charge rate, but I already dislike how slow it is to snipe.

[plain osprey]

I just got two

One with ammo 60 and one with stabil 60

I'll try both

[unreal nova]

You can pray for a 70/70 if you want an even one.

[plain osprey]

I have over 8 milion dockets ... But i am impatient. Im taking 60 thermal

I'll never be using it anyways, i just need every weapon for my ocd lmao

[unreal nova]

Ah.

[plain osprey]

I hate the p gun

They can Nerf it into the ground for all i care

This is gonna be a museum piece

[unreal nova]

I'm just trying it so I can talk about it... thought is still me reeeeeeeeeeee at the delay.

And I have a 68 thermal 72 charge one.

[plain osprey]

What other blessing on it next to surgical?

I am torn between infernus, armourbane and no respite

[tame lodge]

None of those

[steep flower]

If its not Mk 4; use falter
If it is Mk 4; use weight of fire

[half glade]

So, on your typical build of vet with a bunch of frags, do you go the left way, or the right way, if you have to choose?

[calm shard]

right way

[half glade]

are you mind reader or something?

it should be illegal -_-

anyway, what's your reason here? 😄 Why is it so obviously better?

[calm shard]

5% toughness on literally every kill includes enemies your grenade kills

and any enemy you happen to shoot

it also doubles your toughness gained from melee kills

[plain osprey]

Since were already on it, i am currently redoing almost all my vet guns, what blessings on the double barrel shotgun

[half glade]

yea, but effectively passive toughness regen effect on your due to several stacks of confirmed kill? If you get all those toughness dumps while you have 100%, it's wasted for you, but if it's delayed, you can be hurt in 5s and it will heal you!

[calm shard]

If you have specialists/elites to kill

If your teammates don't kill them

Out For Blood is a certainty because there's always trash to kill

[half glade]

they are everywhere, usually, you will kill 1-2 every 20s

[fair shale]

Exhilarating Takedown is still my favorite tbh

[half glade]

seemed like too many trigger conditions, so unreliable, never took it

[tame lodge]

If Weapon Specialist
Manstopper Flechette

If not

Deathspitter Both Barrels

[calm shard]

Mine too but I can't usually justify spending 2 skill points on it

because Longshot is a dead talent point 99% of the time

[fair shale]

That is fair

Idk, I prefer what ET does that much more if that makes sense

Ik Longshot is a dead talent and I personally dont even use guns that benefit to begin with, but I am indoctrinated into headshots only

[calm shard]

it's more that ET does nothing for you if you are not able to make space to shoot things

[fair shale]

Anyway

I came here to ask if CAxe BM is still like the greatest thing ever on Vet for melee

[half glade]

I first tried it because it was in some stealthy fragger build somebody shared here, now I have it on like half of my vet builds 🙂

the only other thing I like that much is the shovel

[fair shale]

I used it since it's original inception way back when

I'm kinda bored of it as a melee concept tbh

[normal bay]

Caxe still good

Can fall off in high havocs due to hitmass if you plan to use it there

[calm shard]

it's not hitmass that makes caxe falloff

it just doesn't do enough damage to one shot things for brutal momentum anymore

on veteran that is

zealot and arbites can both keep using it

[fair shale]

Not yet tbh, I remade my dude cause I saw they did a bunch to the game

Want to uhhh

Give them an honest chance again

[steep flower]

Even tho using the alternate fire is worse than firing single shots

[fair shale]

Rn I gravitate to the combat knife for animations im ngl

Thing is downright stylish

[steep flower]

Brit Londonier detected

[fair shale]

Spiritually, maybe. My dad kept buying me knives as a kid lmfao.

[half glade]

The shovel is good too, can one-shot bulky things often on optional attack, with Thrust blessing. And has enough stagger to deal with crowds. I've also tried the chain axe, but it's so-so, both in terms of single-target damage and fending off crowds. It's a pitty all chain weapons are in that strage spot.

[fair shale]

I remember shovel being good when I left tbh, it just has no style

Chain axe sucked cause of the single target last I played

[steep flower]

Welp; that clarified

[fair shale]

Chainsword was serviceable

[steep flower]

Chainaxe is great vs singles

[calm shard]

chainaxe is effectively a thunderhammer for carapace/flak

actually obliterates them

[fair shale]

Tbh last time I played meta was like, BM CAxe, Tac Axe, and Force Swords. And BB for Ogryn.

[calm shard]

but is Horrible into most else

[steep flower]

Unyielding too really

[half glade]

Not really, as at Damnation+ you often will get packs of those, and staying in place while chaining one can turn badly for you

[calm shard]

you don't use that attack

Mk IV 3 shot lights crushers

stuns them on hit too

[steep flower]

Not really if you know how enemy reacts & you have CC on hand + rev stuns the target you sawwing

[steep flower]

2 shots on vet

With a correct build

[calm shard]

with impractical damage juicing yes

on normal builds you get this

[steep flower]

With no buffs outside what the weapon has & your own always active talents like precision strikes

[steep flower]

You see thats the issue here; youre using slaughterer & headtaker

[calm shard]

oh should I use worse blessings instead?

[half glade]

what do you need to put on it, for that? I think it' more like 4-5 times, for me

[calm shard]

for a meme

[steep flower]

worse
Bloodletter
Thunderous
Test it on vet

[calm shard]

yes you want me to use one of the worst blessings in the game, and like a mid tier blessing with thunderous

for a meme

I'll keep the more consistent ones thanks

[steep flower]

I can show ya everything in-game later if you want

[steep flower]

You have no idea and thats ok; it is a choice

[half glade]

a picture would be sufficient lol, I dunno, it's about correct blesses/perks, mostly?

1500 dps for me, on crusher, on average

[steep flower]

Its about showcasing what it can do really

[half glade]

well, with no stacks that you can get when attacked ofc

[calm shard]

on average in game it's gonna be 3 hits with ~2100 dps

only takes 1 crit to get a consistent 3 tap with lights

[steep flower]

Commendable; i 1 shot it

[calm shard]

that is non-revved lights mind you

because they're much safer

[half glade]

yea, about that.

[steep flower]

Rev is safe cause it stuns

[calm shard]

revved one shots it on a meme build

[half glade]

is it generally worth to take on most of your vet builds?

[calm shard]

usually takes 2

[steep flower]

Nah

[calm shard]

or like a single light after the fact

[half glade]

like, if you have to choose either this, or something else cool

[calm shard]

going for rev isn't a good idea most of the times because of the unfortunate reality that other enemies exist

and the rev damage is backloaded

[steep flower]

When you learn enemy animations you can utilize it to your advantage

And rev relatively safe even in mid crowd

[calm shard]

also thunderous is particularly bad on the chainaxes because the rev attack is only one "hit" despite being multiple instances of damage

it's usually pretty okay

(the 4 is a damage tick from serrated blade)

rev attack in first pic, heavy attack in 2nd

[steep flower]

In that regard yes but without it you cannot 1 tap crusher on auric nor 2 tap in havoc

[calm shard]

Mk IV

to say it's an extremely negligible increase in damage would be an understatement

[half glade]

okay, let's rephrase: is Reciprocity useful for somebody who has no sufficient reaction times to actually dodge depending on what enemies do, and just dodges whenever he cans, just in case? 😄

[steep flower]

Tested it it numerous games; it is not believe me

[steep flower]

No

[calm shard]

well yeah obviously

reciprocity has pretty great uptime

and it's not like you're getting crit chance anywhere else for melee

[steep flower]

Desperado

[calm shard]

under reciprocity

I guess you could choose a worse node intentionally which seems to be your thing

Not that Close Quarters Killzone is bad

It's jut not as good as Reciprocity

It's a nice luxury item

[steep flower]

On builds that utilize crits yes
On some other burst style ability spam builds no

[half glade]

the problem is, it's either Rec, or Grenade Tinkerer, and it's a build centered around frags, it even takes bolt pistol, for greater explosion radius, so it's pretty invested. So to handle armor I take chain axe, and it could use some help with damage output, seems lacking. So I thought may be adding Rec could help

[calm shard]

opportunist makes 1 heavy rev kill on a crit

actually I don't know if it needs opportunist for this

I kinda forgot heavy rev did more damage until...just now lmao

[steep flower]

No don’t use it; not really worth it sadly

[calm shard]

you use thunderous and bloodletter

your opinion on what is "worth it" means very little to me

[steep flower]

Pepega

[sudden cedar]

[half glade]

Can frags, or bleed, crit?

[calm shard]

no

actually doesn't even need any stacks for crit heavy rev to one shot

just +carapace

so ~40% chance for heavy rev to just kill a crusher

[steep flower]

Thats a crit tho

[calm shard]

(with reciprocity stacked which is likely)

[half glade]

only one hits with the optional mode engaged, for me

[steep flower]

I have 100% chance

[sudden cedar]

Krak grenades are actually good.

[calm shard]

and are worse at every enemy other than crushers than this chain axe yes

[calm shard]

imo worst blitz in the entire game

they still have their moments but...they are far and few between

[steep flower]

Only chaf really; rest dies quickly

And nobody worries about chaf

Its what comes with the chaf thats dangerous

[calm shard]

unrevved lights one shotting ragers is pretty cool

[unreal nova]

Frag build but no tinkerer.

[steep flower]

Not needed; 2 tax points for what you can effectively learn by funneling the enemies into 1 area

[unreal nova]

Rejected. I wanna hit EVERYTHING.

I already miss my bistol radius cos playing around with the plasma.

Horribly btw. I can't hit heads with the delay.

[steep flower]

Practice my child

[unreal nova]

You do that with controller.

Is easier to hit heads with the fragging kickback at long range.

[half glade]

I've just learnt that if you drop two frags one right after another, they deal significantly more damage than if you drop them with an interval of a few seconds... Like, a difference between killing gunners around it, or leaving them with about 20% HP left

[half glade]

Whyish? Aren't they usually tell you to not use half-measures? Frags are better at hoard wipes, so don't we need to make it even better at this?

[kind musk]

I haven't played a lot since the release of the new class but is the veteran in a dogshit state right now or the arbites is the one that's so fking OP its not enough that they can't die and have an invincible homing missile in the skin of a dog, they take over half my kills with that bullshit one handed sniper shotgun.

[half glade]

arbites are fking OP, like ogryn-level OP, if not more

[fair shale]

I kinda don't like playing with arbites and their dog

[half glade]

vet seems okeish, comparing to other classes, according to numbers I see on my scoreboard in Damnation and low lv havoc

[steep flower]

Bleed stacking

[covert dagger]

I don’t have a dog on my arbites. Seems like cheating.

[kind musk]

I'm struggling to stay alive, struggling to get kills but it feels like the arbites is just taking everything. It's like it's doing everything others can, just miles better, and in one package. (My headache is probably not helping me being upset tho so I might exaggerate)

[calm shard]

yeah because DoT damage is exponential

throwing 2 shredders one after the other means that you lose the stacks quicker and lose a ton of damage that way

[steep flower]

Tbh; vet aint dogshit and arby is insane

[fair shale]

Arbites kinda feels like The Classic FS DLC Class in that yeah they seem real good. I remember when GK Kruber came out.

[unreal nova]

Cos bleed drops off fast.

[covert dagger]

Yeah. Arbites is defs overpowered and I hate to say it … bet isn’t easy. So it could be you also lost your touch while you were gone.

Vet*

[calm shard]

they're overpowered but like

[steep flower]

Lone Wolf goated

[calm shard]

not the most overpowered

[unreal nova]

I read them like they are choosing between it and something else. So unamused. I like my tinkerer+lethal.

[fair shale]

I just think the dog is annoying tbh

I hate when I'm trying to kill something and Fido the cyberdog runs up and knocks it over

[calm shard]

Arbites isn't so overpowered that Vet can't keep up with them or anything. Just takes a lot more effort

[kind musk]

It's more like the headache that is making these things more frustrating I think but shit... I look at the killfeed and scoreboard and everything and it's just arbites doing everything. I have an absolute horrible player in my friend group who was constantly bottom of the barrel... now he's succeeding constantly since he is playing arbites. Man it's frustrating.

[covert dagger]

I think the shotgun is annoying. But I am always very annoyed when people advertise a gun as a shotgun and make it a blunderbus.

[unreal nova]

Plasma+dogs.

GL shooting anything that isn't oggy sized.

[covert dagger]

Turn off the kill feed. Ditch the scoreboard mod.

For real. They’re a plague to any co-op game.

[calm shard]

In my experience I don't really see Arbites pulling better numbers than the average Zealot, but there's a lot less Arbites doing as badly as the worst zealots

[kind musk]

They are definitely affecting my enjoyment... but it's also the only way I can gauge my effectiveness

[calm shard]

Just from going through my scoreboard history looking at randoms

[unreal nova]

Then play with others not using the class.

[covert dagger]

I had a guy in here earlier who literally incapable of seeing the merit of a tank class.

Enjoyment is all the effectiveness a game needs.

[fair shale]

I don't think that'll change my mind on the dogs, never been much of a plasma guy at any rate either tbh.

[unreal nova]

There are horrifically bad arbies as well.

[covert dagger]

Or learn your limits organically.

[unreal nova]

Is more the delay but then dog happens so wasted shot.

[kind musk]

I'm just gonna ice the game for a bit until they do something with arby... which is highly unlikely because hey, DLC class needs to be good so people spend the money...

[fair shale]

I mean

Release strong class, people buy it, balance in a month

[calm shard]

Would you believe they're probably only the third strongest class in the game?

Probably easiest to play tho

Which is why you see a lot of mediocre players doing well on them

[covert dagger]

Please take my advice to heart. Score keeping is the original ruiner of games.

[kind musk]

Honestly that is what's bothering me the most. It's my bad at the game buddy, who is pulling ahead because of a class. Anyways that's it for my rant

[fair shale]

I'm ngl it's nice to not have to carry every once in awhile. Kick back, let someone else do the work for you, yk?

[steep flower]

They are a good thing cause they show performance & on what you need to work on

[steep flower]

You should not be

[kind musk]

They are also bad for the exact reason he said. It's the same with FPS fixation.

[fair shale]

Idk, as long as the arbite doesn't have the god forsaken dog idc

[covert dagger]

I find charm in being a supporter. If I ever have to carry to save someone’s enjoyment. Oh well.

I play mainly low levels. So you know some “invisible mentoring” is par for the course.

[steep flower]

If its bad for the exact reason its basically not wanting to see how bad you are & escaping from it
Basically ego

[steep flower]

Why not a cat? (Nice cat btw)

[fair shale]

Back when I consistently played i only played high level content and it was when vet was expected to kill every single shooter in the game or you were bad. So, I mean, if someone else wants to do that I am alright with it.

[fair shale]

Honestly if a cat ai jumped on things and didnt know them down I'd be okay with it. And thanks.

She was the best cat.

[steep flower]

was …

[sonic kayak]

Well, think of it this way, maybe he found a playstyle that he enjoys that fits him?

[kind musk]

My enjoyment with the vet comes from that: Shooting and killing high value targets while the others are killing the rest. If I can't have that in the same way as before, I lose my enjoyment. Arbites dog auto killing everything and counter sniping with a shotgun or not

[sonic kayak]

I still don't see these legendary Arbies in the game though if I'm gonna be honest

[covert dagger]

I always used the slow firing InfLas for that.

People jankng around in melee groups is one of the few things I dislike in DT.

[unreal nova]

Or just run support till you gotta clutch.

[sonic kayak]

I see them magdumping or using their dog for things they could easily shoot

[steep flower]

Believe me; good vet will outdo a good arbi in special & range enemy sniping; same for boss dps if you have a build

[fair shale]

Ran the MK1 IAG that'd one tap the head, was my favorite.

[fair shale]

Yeah. Keep her here to remember her until I get the tattoo done.

[steep flower]

Arbi is not a range class by any means - hes like zealot in that department

[kind musk]

I'm aware... just headache upset really

[steep flower]

Suplementary

[sonic kayak]

Outdamaging and killing more elites than the Ogryn with the club as Vet

[covert dagger]

I like swapping from rear to front to let people stretch their muscles a bit. So if I find I am too far ahead I will swap to the rear field. So they can like … gain some controlled experience.

[sonic kayak]

(Which one would infer to mean the Ogryn was bad, which he wasn't, I'm just aggressive)

[steep flower]

Commendable; has that cute pink nose just like mine

[heavy rover]

With my helbore build I outsnipe any arbites and their dog. Hell, even two of them

[covert dagger]

My fav though is leading by flashlight. People will definitely pick up on that subtle stuff.

[kind musk]

I dislike hellbores with a passion 😛 They are mad ugly haha

[fair shale]

Happy for you, they really are the best creatures when they opt to spend time with you.

[void dragon]

As you should, Arby is supposed to be a close quarters brawler, dog helping him to deal with far elites/specialists, not supposed to outgun people at long distance

[heavy rover]

If it works, it ain't ugly

[fair shale]

Oh the funny eyes, I love them, what's their name?

[kind musk]

It can still be ugly and work though

All I want to be happy is the scab gunners hot shot volley gun dammit

[steep flower]

Avi; like that old movie running program on the PC

[heavy rover]

Sounds like my car then

[void dragon]

Ugly is just a bonus, Helbore gets the job done with flying colours

[fair shale]

Tell Avi you love them for me, roll your knuckles under their cheeks if they like that, if you would.

[void dragon]

People loving their diminute felines, meanwhile I'm allergic to them and can't get near them or I die TT_TT

[unreal nova]

I'm always at the back till everyone wipes from pulling 4 crushers and 8 maulers and then spawn spawns.

[void dragon]

That's tame, people rush so bad that they spawn that, some bosses and a small army of trappers and bombers

[unreal nova]

And then I realise the other two arbies skipped true grit.

[covert dagger]

I’ve been noticing a trend of very cautious players. Sometimes you gotta drag them along a little faster so they learn that the game is paced.

[unreal nova]

Cos they both went down, the psyker's already dead.

And I'm... Do I really need to solo the boss?

[spring ocean]

where am I? where's reznov?

[sonic kayak]

Yes

[void dragon]

Me in a H38 game as sparkhead: yes, yes you do

[covert dagger]

Ahhh! Pet pics!

[void dragon]

Cat picks belong in the Veteran chat

Dogs in the Arby

Cool rocks on ogryn chat

[covert dagger]

Same. I can’t play Psyker worth a kark. Glad I’ve been carried so much.

But …

[unreal nova]

And they even question what I was doing. Not wasting the healing crate at 280 ping, that's what.

[kind musk]

That's a weirld looking cat

[covert dagger]

It’s extra furry.

[unreal nova]

Daww

[void dragon]

This cat looks suspiciously Lex compliant

[unreal nova]

That's a dog.

[covert dagger]

That is a little princess who can do no wrong.

[steep flower]

She loves them & ear rubbing
Will do; loves being held in arms too

[void dragon]

Intruder alert!

[kind musk]

An arby spy!

[unreal nova]

You mean gremlin princess.

[void dragon]

Sounds like me dogo, he is innocent of all crime, even the ones that he just commited

[steep flower]

I am allergic to them too; i take meds just so i can pamper her

[covert dagger]

No. That’s her when she is a way too clever for her own good, half blind, prey drive through the roof shepherd.

[sonic kayak]

I'm allergic to fur and pet dander

[covert dagger]

I wonder what the difference between pet and non pet dander is.

[buoyant pewter]

Good doggo

[fair shale]

Happy for you, happy for her. Glad you two have that tbh.

[void dragon]

A smol kitty once clawed me, as in, it grabbed me with it's claws to climb to me, and the part that got stabbed reacted quite poorly, not to mention that I needed meds to stop an asthmatic crisis because of it

[plain osprey]

My condolences

[plain osprey]

So cute

My mothers cat

[void dragon]

I wonder if my lack of feline interaction is what drove me to accept the whispers in my head to give into the Felinid propaganda

[sudden cedar]

Suddenly, a flying mutant.

[tropic halo]

[tame lodge]

He's hitting the "I'm sorry Amanai"

[formal ice]

The hell is this screenshot

You were playing Darktide like this?

[tame lodge]

Yes

On my 2014 android uh

What was it again

Mobile

[tame lodge]

That Masozi expression always get me

[steep flower]

Looks like a man

Memesozi

[ember nest]

She looks so unconcerned lmfao

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-reading-fly-flying-pilot-gif-8771762

[leaden yarrow]

Is this a veteran voice actor hosting this show?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5361wm4vWRY

[tame lodge]

Looks like Alex Jordan

Sounds Like Alex Jordan

It might be Alex Jordan

"I'm Alex Jordan"

💀

[sudden cedar]

Yes. That is the Male Professional Veteran.

[elder vessel]

yea thats him

he streams sometimes

[tame lodge]

The man from the gacha game

[steep flower]

@half glade AY MAN I'M BACK; WANNA KNOW MORE ABOUT THE CHAINAXE & OTHER STUFF?

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower I've heard Chainaxe sucks

[void dragon]

ChainSWORD is the one that sucks, chain axe is the better of the chain weapons

[tame lodge]

Still shit

[void dragon]

But def all need some improvement in their rev active

[tame lodge]

Capped weapon lol

[void dragon]

It is STILL capped?

[crimson pebble]

theyre both off meta i like the chainaxe more generally tho for single target dmg

which ever mk it was that has the poke push attk funny dmg

[crimson pebble]

only eviscerator had its caps removed

[covert fable]

What does capped mean?

[tame lodge]

You can hit a bajillion targets
You'll only damage 4, on the chain Axe case

[void dragon]

Maximum number of enemies the weapon is capable to damage in spite of any cleave the weapon could get

[tame lodge]

Tactical Axe is capped at 3

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[grand perch]

its not though

with the pre-nerf hotshot, you could hit more than 3

still doing damage

i believed it was 3 as well until i actually tried

bromentum still allows for it

[tame lodge]

Ah yes
Brutal Momentum

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[hollow ibex]

honestly i'm starting to like chord more than chaxe

not a fan of chaxe at all

[covert fable]

Whats chord?

[hollow ibex]

CHainswORD

[leaden yarrow]

Sorry haha i don't know the names of the actors, just recognized the voice of my proffesional Vet

[tame lodge]

Good ears

[void dragon]

Single target weapons in a horde flight game will always struggle, Chsword stands because it's good vs trash, but it crumbles once you put some Caparace in front of it

[hollow ibex]

yeah i use chord only on (a) WS build where my ranged is killing crushers and bosses or (b) WS with kraks

the horde clear is passable

[void dragon]

I wonder I wonder, probably will try the weapon again, I believe I have some Krak nadé builds somewhere, but I wonder how much the WS is doing heavy lifting there, that keystone is quite robust

[covert fable]

Thank

[hollow ibex]

on a WS build with right side melee talents, i tested and the horde clear's decent still, even without WS up

i'm quite a fan of my krak DB build

very fun

kraks are still arse to use, but krak + DB allows you a lot of melee flexibility

[covert fable]

DB is the goatt

[hollow ibex]

really is ❤️

[covert fable]

Just give it infinite cleave already 🥀

If psyker has it

Why cant db

[void dragon]

because Vet true power should be about ranged combat

give the vet a skill that let it pull a Hotshot lasgun to do a Rambo you OBESEFISH YOU COWARDS!

[novel plank]

I tried Vigi autogun to level the mastery but that shit really ain't too bad with heavy headshot focus. I mean its nowhere close to plasma and boltgun but its perfectly usuable

[unreal nova]

The next time someone complains about on overwatch, Imma stare at them. I did it 3 games in a row on heresy with the meta plasma ds4 shout build.

[heavy rover]

I got On Overwatch by accident.... When I did True Survivor

Also by accident

[unreal nova]

I mean, I have to clutch those with random success, does it count?

[void dragon]

On overwatch: beat a mission by doing exactly what you are supposed to do: not dying

[unreal nova]

No getting hit in melee.

[void dragon]

which for a veteran means dying, which is gay

[sudden cedar]

On Overwatch requires you to not take health damage.

[void dragon]

funny that in some cases like for ogryn you are encouraged to take damage that you can tank with toughness

[mortal aspen]

well, you can take melee damage, it just can't be health damage

shout makes it easy

[void dragon]

Once you realise that, its quite a feasible feat to do

[slow sky]

its the heavy attacks that have damage caps

the lights dont

[faint beacon]

Me thinks it should be both

[little vortex]

someone explain the fucking plasma gun to me again like i'm five years old

why do people like this piece of shit

does every plasma enjoyer have a perfect team comp every time and a 100% headshot rate

what

[warm schooner]

because it pierces many targets with one shot? you barely need to aim with it?

[little vortex]

wtfdym you barely need to aim. it doesn't 1sbs anything that "lesser" guns make you sweat about

[tall torrent]

Hipfire
Click head at gunner, shotgunner, reaper, bomber, trapper and flamer

[little vortex]

it still doesn't 1shs reapers

[warm schooner]

so you're a troll?

[little vortex]

if you have nothing to contribute just say that

[warm schooner]

I mean if you're going to say ridiculous things you should expect ridiculous responses

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t

But it kills those other enemies in 1 headshot

And with very high cleave

[little vortex]

"ridiculous" is subjective and you're the one trolling

[warm schooner]

you're asking why one of the weapons which has been considered meta and overpowered for a year+ isn't a piece of shit

[little vortex]

no. i am asking why people like it. learn to fucking read.

[little vortex]

this seems like less of a selling point than it is made out to be, particularly and especially in havoc because you do not have the ammo to spam it at shooter lines.

[primal zealot]

cus it goes through bulwark shields

[warm schooner]

it's powerful, this isn't that complicated?

[little vortex]

and it feels fucking godawful to use, so clearly everyone else is doing something with it that i am not

[warm schooner]

yes I hate using it too

[little vortex]

or are you saying everyone is Number Go Up autists

[warm schooner]

but it does what it does super well

[mortal aspen]

what does that even mean

[void dragon]

Some people will hate using sniper weapons because it's hard, I'm notoriously not good with it but I can recognise the Helbore superiority

[warm schooner]

if I need to hard carry in h40 then I will bring it out

[little vortex]

it means that if everyone uses it despite it feeling awful to use, then they clearly care more about the numbers than about having fun

[tall torrent]

It’s more of a hybrid frontline choice

You shouldn’t be playing it as a backline sniper

Helbore does backline substantially better

[mortal aspen]

that's just your subjective opinion

the gun is fine

[little vortex]

then why the fuck does it reward accuracy and spamming it (with the heat blessings).

[tall torrent]

With that said
Saying you don’t have enough ammo is usually smth to do with team comp

[mortal aspen]

your problem with the weapon is that you don't like using it? or what, I don't understand

[void dragon]

Because you are a sniper Vs hordes, not a tortoise

I don't get what is the hate

[tall torrent]

If ur team has staff psyker + 2 melee frontline characters that don’t use a lot of ammo

[little vortex]

i don't care that you don't understand, i'm busy talking to people who are trying to

[tall torrent]

Plasma is entirely fine on ammo

[mortal aspen]

lmao

[little vortex]

this is a contradiction in terms. you do not snipe hordes.

[warm schooner]

[mortal aspen]

don't cut yourself on all that edge

[little vortex]

you're a clown and i'm blocking you like i should have a minute ago

[tall torrent]

in terms of pros / cons

helbore:
pros: 1 tap things, 2 tap reaper, can shoot at boss, significantly improves team ammo econ
cons: slow draw to fire, backline playstyle, no suppression, no mixed horde cleave

plasma:
pros: mixed horde cleave, 1 tap flamer, high stagger, can wallbang
cons: bad ammo econ, can't 1 tap gunner, slower TTK vs reaper, can't afford to shoot at boss

[mortal aspen]

bro is butthurt xdd

[warm schooner]

path is a much nicer person than I am

[void dragon]

Bro is not even sure WHY he is mad

[elder fiber]

why people like thing I dont like

[tall torrent]

@little vortex

[little vortex]

you see many people with an opinion diametrically opposed to yours and you don't think something may be rotten in the state of denmark? tell me you don't think without telling me

[primal zealot]

biggest helbore pro : keeps the ogryn alive by dealing with far away spread out shooters

[primal zealot]

fatshark is swedish thoughever

[little vortex]

see, the biggest news to me in this is that people actually consider helbore viable (i want to like it so bad)

[void dragon]

Have you considered the humble position that you might have a style that don't favour this particular weapon, making it not good for you but not because of that inherently bad?

[little vortex]

yeah of course but the discrepancy between how bad i think it is and how everyone glazes it is so stark it's truly bizarre

[void dragon]

Believe me mate, it used to be FAR worse

[tall torrent]

It is very viable but it’s also pretty restrictive cuz u normally can’t do hybrid as well with it, it’s just too slow

IV is pure backline

IIIa is a bit closer to plasma

[little vortex]

would you say it's viable in havoc? because i get the impression you have to basically be capable of hybrid even if you're not doing it all mission

[tall torrent]

It’s one of the best guns in havoc

[little vortex]

you mean helbore??? got damb

[tall torrent]

Yea I think top 5 are like

[hollow ibex]

helbore got majorly buffed

[little vortex]

recon las, bolter, plasma at least

[tall torrent]

Plasma
Helbore
Recon
Boltpistol
Boltgun

In any order

They all do diff things

[little vortex]

fuck me sideways, the last time i tried to fuck with helbore it was very very bad

[hollow ibex]

reddit still thinks it's bad

[little vortex]

i guess i should give it another shot

pun sort of intended

[void dragon]

Which is crazy, that gun slaps nowadays

[primal zealot]

it got buffed recently did it not ?

[void dragon]

Reddit madness

[hollow ibex]

yeh bigtime

[tall torrent]

Helbore’s thing is
If ur team doesn’t have an ammo black hole, the extra ammo u save for ur team ultimately doesn’t mean that much

It’s one of the first things u will immediately notice

Because when everybody is saving ammo, you doing save ammo pro max plus doesn’t account for that much

[little vortex]

yeah, fair

but for instance if you have a dakka ogryn

[tall torrent]

It also doesn’t suppress ranged enemies nearly as good as the rest

[void dragon]

I wish twinStubber was a black hole worth investing, the gun even with a lot of amme feels quite an underperformet

[warm schooner]

gunner ogryns in havoc

[tall torrent]

Helbore supports rumbler quite well

[mortal aspen]

twin stubber doesn't even feel good in auric

[tall torrent]

Can’t say the same for twin stubber

Wish they had actually good damage

[hollow ibex]

well

it does fulfill the "BRRRRRRT" fetish

[warm schooner]

heavy weapons guy fetish

[mortal aspen]

yeah, and it's still a good boss killer

[tall torrent]

30 shots to kill a mauler is something

[little vortex]

yeah, i wish twin stubber was half as good as it wants to be

[hollow ibex]

but BRRRRRRRT

or you could use gorg ig

or whatever the heaviest twin stub is

wasnt' a fan

[tall torrent]

Gorgonum draw and reload are too slow

[little vortex]

but like. it's so weird to me that every other gun i have tried i have at least been able to grasp the core loop, and plasma just totally fucking eludes me.

[hollow ibex]

yeah did not like

[little vortex]

not even just on veteran. every class. there's no gun i don't fuck with

[tall torrent]

This gonna sound kinda weird but

[hollow ibex]

it's ok because plasma is boring as fuck anyway

[tall torrent]

Plasma’s role is much closer to arb’s shotguns

[void dragon]

Why my dakka gun for my dakka is not dakka enough?

[tall torrent]

Than a backline sniper weapon

[little vortex]

... y'know what that makes more sense than i expected

[tall torrent]

U do hybrid
U have WS to crit headshot 1 tap flamer

U suppress loads of ranged enemies

U can stagger rager waves and maulers

[little vortex]

so i am lowkey kind of spamming it at backlines?

[tall torrent]

U can like

Spam a few shots at backline

Then go in for hybrid

It’s not entirely a “shoot from backline” gun

[little vortex]

i basically always do hybrid anyway on vet, but like. it's so chunky. it makes me feel like backline even if i'm not

[tall torrent]

If the situation calls for it u spam enough shots to kill reaper

[little vortex]

not crushers or bulwarks?

[tall torrent]

Not worth the ammo cost

Takes 7 shots to kill a single bulwark in base game through shield

[little vortex]

i'd have thought being able to pierce shields was the selling point

but yeah it feels like ass so that tracks

[tall torrent]

And it’s like 4 shots vs crusher in base game as well

For 12 ammo cost u could kill way more important targets

Would u rather kill 1 crusher or at least 4 snipers

[little vortex]

rhetorical question is rhetorical. so i'm not speccing carapace or unyielding obvs

[warm schooner]

depends on what the situation needs like staggering the crusher line

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t stagger crusher line

It hits a single crusher and stops

[warm schooner]

I don't mean the entire line

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t cleave through carapace

[warm schooner]

I mean spacing out the crusher pack

[tall torrent]

I think unarmored + maniac is current best

[void dragon]

So plasma is more of a shotgun that is good?

[tall torrent]

Maniac gives crit headshot flamer

[tall torrent]

It’s more like a shotgun sniper hybrid in a weird way

In terms of role anyway

[little vortex]

i had flak+unarmored, so that tracks as well

is that both flamers? because i thought scab flamer heads were flak

[tall torrent]

Both flamers

[little vortex]

unless i just don't need to care about flak

[tall torrent]

U also need some specific damage buffs active

I think 1 stack of rising heat + gets hot

Is enough

Or with any red node buff active

[little vortex]

huh.

[tall torrent]

Which isn’t that hard to accomplish in havoc

[little vortex]

neat.

i had those blessings on it anyway but yeah i'm probably not taking advantage of them

that's part of the thing that makes it feel backline-y

you want heat to build, you have to spam a little, you have to not be being stabbed

(because charge shots are ass)

[tall torrent]

It can 1 body shot trapper as well given high enough heat, or crit

Which works out to be fairly consistent most of the time

Unarmored is for tox bomber 1hs kill, also need some accessible buffs

[little vortex]

see i heavily fuck with arby shottie mk8 playstyle, so i'm going to give it another try and just pretend i'm that but with less survivability, more gold toughness and a dueling sword

i may also need to grab a red node no i have the middle one. which seems the most consistent

[tall torrent]

I use this

[tall torrent]

nah go power sword

[little vortex]

huh. i don't hate that one lately. and i certainly don't mind switching off DS

[little vortex]

no WS ammo regain. do you reload cancel the hell out of it?

[tall torrent]

yea always prepared is just IQ tax for plasma

[little vortex]

lol.

[surreal rune]

how is hotshot now?

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/C4OMkLpvoGM

[little vortex]

i'm gonna take field improv over twinned blast though

i am at heart a big old support slut

[tall torrent]

twinned is way more dmg overall

[little vortex]

i'll take your word for it, but it feels Bad to be dependent on a 1/5

[tall torrent]

it's not a 1/5

[little vortex]

20%

[tall torrent]

it's more like 36%

because u throw frags in twos

and the chance of it not working at least once across those 2 throws is 64%

so every time u actually use frag to kill things there's 36% chance it will work at least once

[hollow ibex]

path convincing people to gamble

[little vortex]

i mean. the whole game's a gamble

i definitely like 36% better than 20%, and i do almost always throw frags in pairs

[void dragon]

The true DT experience, a gatcha game

[tall torrent]

on that shotgun normally u'd run full bore + sustained fire
which is also "spam shot"
but clearly it's not a backline gun

plasma is in the same boat

[little vortex]

this makes sense on the numbers but i would never have known that just going by the way it looks and feels to shoot ingame

(ngl i've been feeling a little dissatisfied with sustained fire lately. i usually fire two but much less frequently three and four. feels like most of that blessing is wasted)

[little vortex]

i've got mk6 cara+unyielding slaughterer+power cycler

i'm push-stabbing crusher heads or cleaving hordes with this right

[hollow ibex]

grab brumentum or sunder instead of slaughterer

[tall torrent]

sunder over slaughterer

[little vortex]

[tall torrent]

sunder power sword is among the fastest in the game for killing groups of maulers

[little vortex]

i am intrigued

[hollow ibex]

are you rating sunder over brumentum now these days?

[tall torrent]

yea

it's only like 1s slower than BM vs 50 pox?

[little vortex]

so without brumentum i'm not swinging for their heads i guess

[tall torrent]

u still swing at head

difference is with sunder u can cleave through carapace

[hollow ibex]

bruisers tho

[little vortex]

mauler torsos are still flak tho right

[tall torrent]

yes but would u rather be 4x better vs bruiser or 10x better vs mauler

[hollow ibex]

btw do you have to manually set this up

or is this in creature spawner?

[tall torrent]

yea just click spawn poxwalker 50 times

[hollow ibex]

🙁

[tall torrent]

in creature spawner

[hollow ibex]

hmm

ig it depends on the build

[hollow ibex]

maulers never really scare me tbh

[hollow ibex]

but i do have ptsd from being surrounded by literally impenetrable bruisher hordes with blitz/ult gone

[little vortex]

they don't scare me per se but i'm prioritizing sources of Giant Fuck You Overhead whenever possible

[tall torrent]

push + light twice

[hollow ibex]

yeah i'm sure there's ways out of it

i'll try sunder again

[little vortex]

i'm trying this whole Thing again

many thank for the theorycrafting, the comparison to arby shotgun really helps things fall into place

[tame lodge]

Don't they have trials and shit?

[little vortex]

they don't bunch up like that in trials

[tall torrent]

test is to get fastest possible value

the trial ver, when they're animated, is a lot less consistent

basically

if a weapon is not fast when enemies are literally inside each other (max density)

when they're spread out more it'll surely do worse

[tall torrent]

[little vortex]

oh jesus tapdancing christ. night and day.

now admittedly i qp'd into rolling steel, which as a giant straight line is the best possible place to use plasma

but still. fuck me dead.

i can see it being a carry weapon now, yeah.

esp. together with power sword. fucks real hard

[tall torrent]

[covert fable]

what mod hides your gun like this?

[void dragon]

@tall torrent can i ask why sunder (for Psword) is better in your opinion? isnt the extra headshot damage better? also, you have a suggestion for a Vraks build? i have noticed that sadly my build have deviated from using autoguns at all, which make sense but is sad that i lack a place for the one Autogun that is not garbo

[tall torrent]

Sunder pulls ahead massively vs mixed horde
And u don’t lose that much damage on single target

The breakpoints u lose can be made up for via red nodes

Also sunder is slightly better vs mutant

Heavy + light both on weakspot can kill mutant super fast in havoc

BM have to strike 3 times with light atk on weakspot to kill

[tall torrent]

Heavy is 3.7k+
Light is 2.31k

Just enough for mutant’s 6000 health

[tall torrent]

Also BM can’t cleave much more than 1 mutant

Sunder can

Mutant mass 10

Power sword gets to cleave through 1 mutant then gets stopped pretty easily

Sunder can go through 4 and hit smth else

But mainly it’s because sunder just pulls ahead significantly vs mixed horde

[tall torrent]

I don’t play autogun outside of psyker now tbh

[void dragon]

kinda make sense, psyker can get high crit on command unlike the veteran, aside from Psword is there other weapon worth using?

[tall torrent]

On veteran?

[void dragon]

yea

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[void dragon]

[junior grail]

Ummm powersword mk 3?

[dapper pier]

Whats mastery blessings for infantry las?

[covert dagger]

It has a while huge list.

Have you looked in the blessings screen?

Should list it all.

[dapper pier]

Have. Everything has 9
Im wondering whats the main ones i should focus

[covert dagger]

Whatever compliments your play style.

If you’re good on headshots do something that enhances weak spot damage, if you prefer center mass shots, I like a stagger build.

All depends on how you play.

A lot of fps performance is dependent on the player. The best weak spot build is trash if you can’t hit weak spots.

Hence there isn’t a “best” build. There is “best for you.”

And when you figure out what you’re good at you can tailor to that.

I like reliable damage output, good ammo economy and being a little tanky.

That’s totes different than a speed runner with a knife.

Both work. But completely differently.

[dapper pier]

My play style is not really giving a krark about this screen 😢
Console player, and not the CoD kind. When i swap to ranged las its to take many many potshots at an annoying bugger anyways

[vale tundra]

what is a good build for headshots? i play alot of other fps and can hit headshots very well

[narrow widget]

ps6

[vale tundra]

ive been playing the revolver and combat knife and its so fun

[covert dagger]

Oof. I think you want something that has a good crit modifier. And I think armor pen?

It’s not my forte. But I am sure we have some players here who are good with that.

[narrow widget]

the humble helbore lasgun:

[covert dagger]

That would have been my recommendation. But again. Not my forte.

I like the helbore though.

[dapper pier]

Humble my foot that things been infamous since psykers used to fill the screen with arrows…

[vale tundra]

some like the helbore cuz its good
i like the helbore cuz i like the DKoK

[covert dagger]

I have mine optimised for ammo usage.

I can take out a couple pockets in one (usually free) shot and even elites rarely take more than two to the head.

Poxers *

And the stab is fun in hallways where you can funnel stuff and you can stun lock maulers! Or ragers?

[vale tundra]

honestly ive been having fun with the recon las gun if i wanna spray and pray

[covert dagger]

I love people using it. They look like they’re having a blast. And they’re easy to support!

Feels a little boring sometimes if someone is real good with it though. Cause you can legit clear a low level with it without being touched.

Especially if your team watches your back.

[vale tundra]

yea cuz i found out if you stack blessings that improve crit chance, theres a talent that las guns on crits dont expend ammo

[covert dagger]

My guilty pleasure is the shredder. Love that thing. You can stagger ragers, push back hounds and murder poxers.

Someone else has to handle armour though. I am not equipped for armor when I use a shredder.

If you can funnel dregs through a doorway or a bridge or corridor or whatnot, crouch and sweep at knee level using (CONTROLLED) burst it is beautiful. They fall over in waves like wheat. With blood. And screaming.

Also. Your character says fun things.

With any rapid fire weapon though in a resource limited environment though, so that includes the recon las, your positioning is pretty important.

You want long lines of sight with preferably more than one baddie in them.

Same theory goes for bolter. One round that kills one baddie isn’t very maintainable. One round that kills five baddies or whatnot is waaay worth it.

So you gotta know the levels a bit. Or be good at spotting long lines of fire and choke points.

Make sense?

[vale tundra]

interesting

[covert dagger]

Oh boy. 😆

But you said you’re more of a pin point shooter?

Your tactics are diffs than mine.

[vale tundra]

ya im more used to hitting headshots from other fps's

but i do love spraying into a horde of 100

[covert dagger]

Oh yeah. I am sure someone here has the ultimate super uber layout that’ll let you win every game(tm) as long as you don’t suck(tm)

Once you can sort the wheat from the chaff though, in terms of advice you’ll fall into your own groove.

You know basic mechanics. You know what you like.

[mortal aspen]

[hybrid plover]

Helbore. My beloved.

I seriously cannot put it down.

Ever since they buffed the draw speed, it has been such a satisfying weapon to use.

[tall torrent]

Headhunter
Ghost
Falter
Deadly accurate

The rest are irrelevant

[tall torrent]

VI is quite a bit better than III in every metric

[orchid hemlock]

No BAD

[vale tundra]

but its fun : (

[covert dagger]

Bad only on higher difficulties.

Not an issue unless you’re sweating.

[orchid hemlock]

Nah it's bad all around

Taste the blood up close 😈

[tall torrent]

helbore, plasma, boltpistol, infantry lasgun, revolver, boltgun, laspistol, infantry autogun

[hybrid plover]

If you can get over the kinda awkward irons and weird charge fire mechanic. , Helbore may be your pick honestly.

[vale tundra]

oh i like the helbore

[void dragon]

Helbore with good irons is a superior power everyone should bully Obesefish for

[orchid hemlock]

Mods fixes the problem but idk, the iron sights never bothered me

[hybrid plover]

Tbf mk4 irons are at least workable for me.

The others.

Ech.

[void dragon]

i still dont like that the head should be BEHIND the irons instead of right above, it feels quite restrictive for your sight

[vale tundra]

what are good perks for the helbore then?

[orchid hemlock]

Unyield Cara 😈

[vale tundra]

what about blessings

[orchid hemlock]

I prefer surgical hotshot

[hybrid plover]

Maniac + Unyielding or Cara

[void dragon]

surgical is a stable one, weight of fire for the mk 4 feels good

[hybrid plover]

Maniac is kinda important because veteran wants as much consistency against specialists as possible.

[void dragon]

hotshot for what mk you run it?

[orchid hemlock]

4

[vale tundra]

alright ill have to give that a try, any particular melee that pairs well?

[void dragon]

i like the Heavy sword, but the all reliable Psword will do well too

[tall torrent]

maniac + unyielding

[orchid hemlock]

Depends how you build the tree

But generally the best melees on Vet are:

PS, DS, Rashad, Knife

Knife and Rashad need higher investment on the right side but again that has to do with tree builds

[dapper pier]

Whats the difference on eviscerator mk?

[tall torrent]

III is not as good as XV

[dapper pier]

Interesting

[void dragon]

I'm failing to see the appeal of Hotshot, why is it good over WoF?

[orchid hemlock]

Even if you don't take Hotshot I would rather take shattering than WoF

[void dragon]

What about falter? At some point there were some singing about it

[orchid hemlock]

It's fine but falter seems to work much better on weapons you can spam the shots to really stop them from moving like the Infantry Las

[calm shard]

2 poxwalkers getting in the way of your helbore shot aimed at a trapper

[orchid hemlock]

The reason why the plasma is soo good is specifically because it cleaves thru everything

[void dragon]

Folks do diss on the (semi) infinite cleave weapons

[orchid hemlock]

Hotshot is also one of the very few things in the game that actually can cleave thru a horde in havoc 40

[tall torrent]

can cleave through some elite enemies on headshot

[hybrid plover]

Gone are the days where it also affected your melee weapon 😔

I miss bugged hotshot.

[orchid hemlock]

WoF is a good flexibility tool when you need the extra fire rate for weaker targets, but it doesn't always translate to higher dps since you need to wait for the surgical buff to stack anyways

[void dragon]

what blessings you would recomend for Mk IIIa and V?

[hybrid plover]

If anything, I tend not to use WoF solely because it lessens the effect of Shock Troop.

[orchid hemlock]

the same

[icy cobalt]

chat

[void dragon]

even on the mk5?

[icy cobalt]

is the plasma gun cooked?

[void dragon]

plasma gun hasnt been nerfed, and is still op

[icy cobalt]

ty

[orchid hemlock]

i guess you can take it if you are using an auto macro, but at that point you are not using a helbore anymore, you are using a worse version of the ILAS

[hybrid plover]

Still alright.

And boring.

[orchid hemlock]

oh you say its alright, but have you considered

poopoo peepee?

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

I don like it personally.

[void dragon]

then what should i take on that helbore? it charges so fast that it feels odd to still use surgical on it, but it still makes sense

[hybrid plover]

Hot Shot, Sustained Fire are two good options. Just cuz Hot Shot technically caught a nerf doesn't mean it's a bad blessing at all.

It does actually help when you really want to kill that trapper running into a horde of poxwalkers.

But surgical is kind of a have to pick really.

Mainly for the sake of using shock troop.

[tall torrent]

sustained fire good

[void dragon]

still not sure to take it over surgical for the mk5, even the small boost on crit gets the damage in a strong spot

[hybrid plover]

Who said you'd take it over surg?

[void dragon]

so hot shot no more?

[hybrid plover]

Like, there is absolutely no reason why you'd ever not take it.

[tall torrent]

surgical + sustained fire

[hybrid plover]

Surg and hot Shot are still a completely valid combo.

Surgical and sustained fire is good.

Surgical and WoF is uh

[void dragon]

on mk5 is no

that thing already charges fast enough

[hybrid plover]

They kind of counteract each other basically.

Admittedly.

I wouldn't use the Mk5 in general.

At that point, you really would just use an ILas.

[void dragon]

the sustained fire doesnt work for shots regenerated on shock trooper, right?

so you will always only have 3 empowered shots

at some point i feel that taking armour bane and focusing on frag nades would work better

[hollow ibex]

but it's funny

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1395862442566877266/23CFFD1.MP4?ex=68a77f34&is=68a62db4&hm=f7a02c82eca7bb37787cf46021fb3890871deb347f8220ce372230ad74b61d8a&

(totally impractical build)

[void dragon]

but funny indeed

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/13992170971193931723/902B4E1AD8BF2C5D48B68B86F3605A27BD6BA45E/

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[faint beacon]

Alright smokes are abysmal dogshit ever since I just witnessed gunners actively ignoring them LMAO

[viral nacelle]

That sucks, smokes used to be so funny

[faint beacon]

No clue what happened but they lit everyone the fuck up in a smoke cloud and caused an immediate wipe LMAO

[void dragon]

they do?! is not that they just keep shooting where they think you used to be?

that sounds so cursed, the whole point of the smokes is to bully the gunners Ai

[calm shard]

don't we all

[calm shard]

they don't

unless new hotfix broke them

in which case lmao

[void dragon]

knowing obesefish i fear that is quite likely

[calm shard]

testing psykhanium nothing seems unusual

aside from the expected walking while firing bug

[faint beacon]

Im going to be dead fucking serious I have no clue why

[slow sky]

I LOVE MY SHOVEL !!!

[faint beacon]

Tossed a smoke down

people ate shit and died in the smoke from gunners

[faint beacon]

I LOVE MY TAC AXE!!!!!!!!!!

I assume you're using Mk1

[slow sky]

there are other shovels?

[faint beacon]

Y-yeah...

🙁

[slow sky]

youre not gaslighting me

theres only 1

[faint beacon]

n-no..

🙁

[slow sky]

i wont let you fill my head with smoke

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/hfvt3jF

https://fximgur.com/a/qhZ16xy

https://fximgur.com/a/45MDT48

[faint beacon]

It must've been the fucking servers I have no fucking clue

Like im just as confused as you are

[narrow frost]

could they have been shooting someone behind you?

[faint beacon]

I was in the back, but we had a gunner + reaper pack some of them did do what smokes normally did but we had half of the reapers + gunners just not give a fuck

and fire into the smoke killing us

My only thought process is thinking at that moment, server issue or something

maybe the AI didn't process there was smoke there or something?

I have no fucking clue

[pseudo fiber]

What if they really didn't like you Gale

[faint beacon]

with how this games been treating me lately

honestly you might be onto something

I honestly will try to recreate it if possible cause it was incredibly unusual how half of the gunner/reaper pack didn't process the smoke cloud and continued firing at me and my squad

[hybrid plover]

there could have been so many gunners firing down that line that you pretty much had no moment to actually take advantage of the smoke

it's not that they didn't process it

[faint beacon]

I mean it was the carnival (notorious for having no cover)

[hybrid plover]

yep

that has happened to me before lol

[faint beacon]

though it was a decently open area with smoke covering it

[hybrid plover]

thing is, they will keep firing in the same spot they last saw you

doesn't mean you can't run into their line of fire

so if there's enough guns firing, you can straight up just get melted regardless

[faint beacon]

You'd figure it'd be similar to the snipers where they simply stop and reposition

[hybrid plover]

Nah, gunners will still keep going

I mean it makes sense.

Big machine gun/lasgun

Why not just keep blasting in the smoke?

Accuracy by volume and all.

smokes are used best when you're moving along with 'em

[tall torrent]

nah they want to mimic actual tactics

[hybrid plover]

pretty much. snipers stopping to reposition actually does make sense in terms of actual tactics since

what is the point in trying to get an accurate shot when you cant see

gunners can just keep firing hoping to hit something or suppress the target

[rose jewel]

What is the best flowchart usage for shredder frags? Is it 1 frag for mass unarmored horde, 2 frag for mixed and armor, 1 for boss? I feel like I'm underutilizing mine.

[faint beacon]

So infested for the Combat Shotgun right

[hybrid plover]

One doesn't really do much. Two is where it actually starts to do proper damage. So really, you don't want to be using just one grenade but two, but that also means you don't want to just throw them at just random hordes unless the situation is genuinely dire because you want elites and specialists in the mix to proc demo team.

[faint beacon]

I mean one helps with huge chaffe hordes but thats not considering Mixed ones which

90% of the case there's going to be minimum a rager or mauler in there

[hollow ibex]

1 is also good if you just need emergency stagger

[rose jewel]

So double up all the time?

[hybrid plover]

Also, all frags do are stagger bosses and it's not even consistent. You do not want to actually use them to damage bosses.

[faint beacon]

You use frags solely to save from 2 grabs

BON Consumption

[hollow ibex]

it depends as usual, but good rule of thumb is 2 if you want stuff to actually die

[hybrid plover]

Yeah, this. If you just need space, throwing one is a good idea, but don't expect it to really kill much.

[faint beacon]

or Chaos Spawn grab

[faint beacon]

no im not saying vore explode

but you're mainly using Frags to stagger carapace waves and whittle them down or to assist in mixed hordes

[rose jewel]

And is it just me or is the underhand toss faster?

[faint beacon]

You dont even need to use it on a Plogryn

[faint beacon]

Less distance traveled

[rose jewel]

If that's the only feature it seems less useful then.

[faint beacon]

not really, I tend to underhand more than overhead

[hybrid plover]

Underhanding is not a bad idea at all.

[faint beacon]

Cause by the time I need a frag is usually cause the mixed horde I need to stagger is in my face

[rose jewel]

Ok

[tall torrent]

1 to stagger important enemies
2 to do damage to mixed hordes

[calm shard]

gunners can't draw LoS through smoke

there is a bug where if a gunner (reapers included) are walking while firing they won't stop shooting when they lose LoS

which is likely what happened

[covert dagger]

Used to teach marksmanship. If you’re not good with Irons no amount of equipment will make you a good shot.

[void dragon]

speaking of the subject, the target should be directly behind the irons when aligned or just above it?

[boreal goblet]

Tell me about it I look down the helbores in game and I'm like" why is everyone complaining, then I realize most people haven't fired a real gun

[boreal goblet]

Irl or in game?

[boreal goblet]

If you underhand it by the time it goes off the horde is standing on top of it; it feels faster to toss too but I know it isnt

[unreal nova]

You have to remember more than half the player base is likely in not gun freedom/happy countries.

And the sight is awful considering most modern shooters.

[boreal goblet]

I didn't say it was happy; or yehaw america I fucking hate it here

[boreal goblet]

Valid

[unreal nova]

As in, gun happy. Most of the world would put you behind bars if you tried to get a gun

[calm shard]

• without going through proper channels

[boreal goblet]

Ahh sorry

[calm shard]

it's not like hunting licenses don't exist in places other than America

[unreal nova]

So best they can compare is other shooters or even other guns.

Even bistol irons are a tad wonky.

It hits below the sight.

[calm shard]

real gun sights don't translate well into gameplay because your "first person" view in videogames is not the same as your view in real life

you only have one viewpoint in an FPS game, not the two from your two eyeballs like you would IRL

[boreal goblet]

I understand that the concept for the hell bore is closer to the reality than not; I'm saying that it has a perfectly average sight for what you use it for

[hollow ibex]

the sights are total ass for video game irons

and it's supposed to be a sniper-type weapon

https://tenor.com/view/haha-hotday-gif-21834546

[calm shard]

yeah but this leaves them dead last compared to every other gun in the game's irons

which is a bit of a pain point considering the helbore is very reliant on precision

[unreal nova]

I expect realism from Sniper Elite on highest diff, not some funni horde shooter.

[atomic void]

not to mention the fact that most guns in this game have fat hitboxes so its not like u need perfect aim

the iron sights are just needlessly bad

[calm shard]

this also does not apply to the helbore as it is a las weapon

[hollow ibex]

tbf the helbore hitbox is pretty generous now

[void dragon]

irl, i always adjusted guns to place the targed above the target of the irons (asking since you said you teached about it)

[faint beacon]

Unless its the Vigil

thats the only exception

[atomic void]

I keep forgetting this gun is in the game

Never see anyone running it ever

[tall torrent]

wdym most

most don't

[atomic void]

Exaggeration but hitting headshots is pretty easy in this game and feels like shots I missed land somehow

I don't have good aim btw

[calm shard]

I feel the exact opposite :)

[atomic void]

So I just assumed most guns are like the zerona revolver lmao

[calm shard]

I hit the enemy, blood flies out, game plays headshot noise

Enemy not dead

[atomic void]

Well that's just jank

I mean a feature in dark tide

[calm shard]

You see I would

But why the fuck would I not just use the infantry lasgun instead?