veteran-class

[hybrid plover]

yep

[blissful stump]

i mean true

[hybrid plover]

dreg gunners and that motherfucker right there

[tall torrent]

maniac is for auric tho

for havoc, without DA u can't get 1 taps on flamers

and even with DA u kinda have to cope with WS + deadshot cuz can't afford surgical

an level of copium not healthy for most people

[hybrid plover]

there is no gaslighting with unarmored perks

there's a reason you want that on some weapons

tox bombers being a very, very, very major reason

[blissful stump]

oh im aware bolt pistol was one that just never crossed my mind

peak bolt pistol

[tall torrent]

collateral is dump on this gun

[blissful stump]

so just to saftey proof my self how much have i fucked up on this lol?

[blissful stump]

iv tried that and dont like it i will be sticking with my mobility dump

[tall torrent]

too bad collateral does legit nothing on this gun

u don't gain any notable stagger breakpoints with it

[covert fable]

Mobility doesn't do much either right

[tall torrent]

mobility allows u to run 0.2m/s faster

[blissful stump]

it really doesnt and i get occasionally staggers i dont desreve lol

ok wait is power sword not spam energy light?

[tall torrent]

it is

[covert fable]

Only with sunder blessing u heavy attack

[tall torrent]

depends

[blissful stump]

explain

[tall torrent]

wdym explain

explain which part

[blissful stump]

they said "Only with sunder blessing u heavy attack" you said depends

[tall torrent]

with sunder u can heavy atk mutant to get fewer hits to kill depending on the dmg buffs active

most other enemeis not worth using heavy attack

[blissful stump]

ah, so big boys get sunder small frys get energy lights?

[tall torrent]

heavy atk does have better distribution of dmg than light atk

[tall torrent]

no

[covert fable]

Sunder only works with heavy energised attacks right

[tall torrent]

push atk big guys

[tall torrent]

wdym

sunder has 2 parts

[covert fable]

Ahh

[blissful stump]

the cleave applys passily???

that, makes a lot of things clear

[tall torrent]

sunder is x0.25 mass considered of enemies hit by energized attack

which is essentially x4 cleave

it also allows u to cleave through carapace

meaning ur swing doesn't get stopped by mauler head, scab rager torso, crusher, and bulwark shield

[blissful stump]

thats usefull

[tall torrent]

it's one of the fastest in the game for killing mauler waves

[blissful stump]

ok so maybe thats where my non enjoyment of the power sword was coming from

[tall torrent]

sunder's second part is +20%Mdmg to energized heavy attacks

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11629560334499764069/498D7E77EDC75C5423A4AD13562AC6E5161EF590/

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/9796695053242301572/FCD6D1FBE1263C7ABAE56BE7B6577C546E953C31/

[hollow ibex]

gawd your fov always throws me off so much

[tame lodge]

Don't you love quake

🗣️

[blissful stump]

ok so

hows the assult chainaxe? Ive legit never seen this thing?

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

[tall torrent]

"it could be better" is the best thing I can say abt it

[tame lodge]

Start by removing the cap

🗣️

All capped weapons are shit

No exceptions

[tall torrent]

nah it needs to have good stagger with cleave

[tame lodge]

🗣️

[blissful stump]

ah

[tame lodge]

Built Different™

[compact plume]

Karking heretics.

[vivid silo]

Chain Axe is life

[midnight wyvern]

lol

just accidentally did this in an auric high intensity shock troop

[steep flower]

Yeah sure

[steep flower]

Despite its limitations its potent

But you do wdym

[tame lodge]

[steep flower]

If you want i can show you how to use it well tonight

[grand perch]

current maelstrom is extra poxbursters on gloriana
the first catwalk is...interesting

especially with arbites who cant stop throwing their dog at bursters

[sudden cedar]

I like extra poxbursters

and that particular maelstrom combo

exspecially on gloriana

i just hold back and enjoy the show

someone will inevitably blow themselves over a ledge

[hybrid plover]

the arbites class has made me dislike it

it's funny when everyone has a chance of getting blown off the map

it's not so funny when it's always the arbites throwing their dog at a poxburster and getting everyone else killed

[sudden cedar]

Stay away from them

[hybrid plover]

you

[sudden cedar]

And revel in the carnage

[hybrid plover]

kind of can't.

[sudden cedar]

Oh you can, just stay behind.

[hybrid plover]

poxburster comes from behind

arbites pings it

[sudden cedar]

well the moment that happens, run away

At least, that is what iam doing

[hybrid plover]

on that narrow catwalk

[sudden cedar]

yes, even there it is possible

If you can't, find some cover and break line of sight

that should protect you from the explosion

[hybrid plover]

"should"

[sudden cedar]

Of course.

[hybrid plover]

unfortunately that can just

not happen

[sudden cedar]

True

but better try

[hybrid plover]

and it's went that way

several times already

[sudden cedar]

instead of just eating the explosion

[hybrid plover]

because the dog will just throw the poxburster in a direction that can put it behind whatever you attempt to take cover in and blow you away anyway

i really just wish they would disable the ability for dogs to pounce poxbursters in general

though this is also attributed to the fact that there's a lot of not so aware players playing that particular class because it's just so easy to play that they don't realize why doing that is a problem

[sudden cedar]

D-III-VII-IX-G is just a lot of fun

Yes, most Arbitrators have no idea what they are doing

[hybrid plover]

I think it is too, but that one thing has been actively hurting my enjoyment of it unfortunately.

i usually love poxburster mods on gloriana but the past few times?

[sudden cedar]

Then again, same is true for most players

[red portal]

Equal amounts of bad players on all classes I just think bad arbies are overrepresented cause he's new

[hybrid plover]

Nah there's a science to it

Arbitrator is just such a braindead easy class to play that it actively keeps a bad player from actually getting better because there's not as much punishment for them making a bad play

And then there's the dog thing, where i've seen a lot of arbitrators lately ping poxbursters for their dogs to pounce them, not realizing that dog + poxburster interactions are buggy as fuck

and it's not as clear cut as knowing that shooting the poxburster will be an issue

[red portal]

Dog pushing the pox bursters towards me 3 times In a row

I just wish they made the dog unable to target pox bursters or at least a setting for it

[hybrid plover]

one can only hope

hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

[midnight wyvern]

it won't target them unless you ping them

[steep flower]

They do tag them tho… thats what has been discussed here

[mortal aspen]

that's a skissue then

[red portal]

As I don't even own the arbites dlc it is entirely out my control when the arbites dog pushes a bursters back into me.

[midnight wyvern]

not the dogs fault, its the player who controls it lol

[sudden cedar]

@hybrid plover The interaction between Dog and Poxburster is not buggy. They jump it and push it. I take a guess and assume its so they don't randomly pounce it and kill it.

Dogs will never attack poxbursters on their own, you have to give the command to do so.

In a way, this is meant to avoid the dog accidentally killing it.

The side effect is an unexpected push followed up by chip damage from other sources with leads to unfortunate explosions

And then there are those dunderheads who actively shoot poxbursters while someone is standing next to them

May those glaikit operatives crash and burn

[olive halo]

lads, what's the upside of running the combat axe?

and which mark do you guys like using

[midnight wyvern]

rashad

and it hit head

and people die

brutal momentum abusing axe

and its got good damage across the board on everything else pretty much

[olive halo]

how does it compare to smth like the shovel? cuz I tried it but its super slow swings are throwing me off

[midnight wyvern]

better in every way

that's shovel slander and some people will disagree but they're wrong

[olive halo]

I think the only other weapon Ive used that swings that slow is the heavy eviscerator but zealot gets attack speed buffs w/ martyrdom so I dont notice it

[olive halo]

damn I was loving the shovel

[steep flower]

Nah; need att spd & brutal to make caxe work otherwise is oof

[midnight wyvern]

Vet gets Attack speed on the way to weapon specialist

[steep flower]

Not every build needs nor wants WS

[midnight wyvern]

I've been running without it for aeons so im just used to it but yeah its chonk

[olive halo]

the trench one right? I did grab that

[midnight wyvern]

other than martyrdom or FotF on zealot you'd have the same baseline attack speed

[olive halo]

top is just krak grenades

[steep flower]

Basically; its nice if you can afford the WS & many talents you spend to get there, otherwise use shovel

[olive halo]

then I gotta change my build

[midnight wyvern]

or power sword, I've heard lol

I do not like that thing

[olive halo]

cuz Im doing every weapon's mastery

yeah no I hate the power sword too

strong but arguably the most annoying weapon to use

[steep flower]

Exploit weakness only for taxe; build could be slightly better mah man

[olive halo]

kraks are for da penance

[midnight wyvern]

always can be

[steep flower]

Too clunky; kills you when you get cornered cause no CC

[midnight wyvern]

[midnight wyvern]

just the armoured enemy kills?

[olive halo]

fr, plus the constant slow down of having to activate it every so often

[midnight wyvern]

yeah, if you could maintain its charge by killing or something I dunno

[olive halo]

just replace power sword w/ relic blade

[midnight wyvern]

its just misery without it

and gay to back off to activate

[steep flower]

[midnight wyvern]

for basically getting the same effect as just playing Rashad

[olive halo]

mhm

[steep flower]

Rashad atleast has a good push att that stops ragers

PS is baren in that regard

[midnight wyvern]

iirc you want brutal momentum/headtaker on axe, with unarmoured to make sure you 1 tap heads on the tougher shittos

[olive halo]

yup

thats how the guide in pins describes it

[midnight wyvern]

fair nuff

[steep flower]

Btw mah man; when will you unblock me

[midnight wyvern]

[steep flower]

Pepega

[midnight wyvern]

its entertaining to have to click on "show"

[steep flower]

[sudden cedar]

Having to play fully corrupted is also entertaining.

[tame lodge]

It's pretty easy to slander shovel

💀

Quite the mid weapon

[steep flower]

Until they try it; but its hard going ‘off meta’ for some ppl and thats ok
PS; its usually the same ppl who complain later on that the game has not much to offer

And then they abandon the game altogether

[sudden cedar]

What do you mean the game is boring when i one-shot everything and there is no challenge because of it.

Example.

Rotten Armor.

[steep flower]

The dreadful modifier aka ‘Nice breakpoints You have there; 2 bad Your build is mid once they are taken away from ye’

[mortal aspen]

breakpoints shmeakpoints

[red portal]

What is this break point I hit enemies until they're dead, if they don't die I hit them more.

[steep flower]

Exactly; a healthy ogryn tier logic i approve

[sudden cedar]

But..MY BREAKPOINTS!!

[steep flower]

Shut it weirdo

[vivid silo]

My break(ing) point is all this talk about breakpoints

[steep flower]

Gud 1

[vivid silo]

I am a dad after all, gotta live up to the responsibility and stay sharp!

Those eyeballs don't roll themselves

[tame lodge]

I still think I can have better breakpoints on Tactical Axe

3 hit vs a havoc 40 Crusher still not enough

[steep flower]

[sudden cedar]

..bUt mY bReAkPoInTs

[heavy rover]

who needs breakpionts when you have enough lasgun shots to jumpstart a dying star

[tall torrent]

Power sword is quite a bit better at boss burst damage and mixed horde

[buoyant pewter]

Volley one, volley two! its gone

[sudden cedar]

Sorry but i find this .. almost obsession really.. on breakpoints just hilarious

[grand perch]

i found my twin

even the tattoo

[covert fable]

She has big shoulders

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/azpi-azpilicueta-jawline-azpi-jawline-azpi-jaw-gif-21163228

[grand perch]

we're the B.J. Blazkowiczs sisters

[plain osprey]

Anyone have a good multi purpose lasweapon build for me on Veteran (one with which i can use the laspistol, the infantry lasguns and the recon lasguns)?

[jade flower]

Question for you all is there anywhere other than here that I can check so I can get build ideas and see various information regarding perks and such?

[narrow frost]

From kuli

Steam guides

[clever hedge]

Darktide YouTuber Reginald has a whole excel sheet mapping lots of stats and weapons and builds

[narrow frost]

Kuli is the single best information for darktide

https://steamcommunity.com/id/kulii/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=1361210

[spark canopy]

hello hotties

i have one, maybe two, possibly even three questions.

1. is the dumpstat for the combat knife mobility?

2. is uncanny and flesh tearer best for a mk6?

3. what is the combo for the knife? i know it's not l spam

[narrow frost]

Yes, no, heavy spam for horde and push attack for single target

Bleed isn't really worth it

Precog + ripsote/uncanny will get value

But if you were to use bleed make sure to use uncanny with it

[hollow ibex]

for mk3 it's light spam

with bleed

bleed not worth on mk6

[buoyant pewter]

This

I use the Mk3, Light Attack spam is your horde control option

[hollow ibex]

yeah light spam and push sometimes

[buoyant pewter]

PA's work good yee

[plain osprey]

Since i havent gotten any answers from the crowd imma ask the living darktide dictionary

@steep flower do you have one?

Anyone have a good multi purpose lasweapon build for me on Veteran (one with which i can use the laspistol, the infantry lasguns and the recon lasguns)?

[covert fable]

Darktide dictionary 😂

[tropic notch]

On my vet knife I run uncanny with riposte or precog

The mk is whatever you like the most

[unreal forge]

that's the only female face people use because it's at least somewhat bearable to look at

all my 3 fem characters have that face

[plain osprey]

The guy knows sooooo much about the game. He earned that title

[muted peak]

I have my main chaxe + lasgun build

gimme one min

[hybrid plover]

Mk3. You don't want a bleed blessing on mk6. But if you wanted to do a bleed Mk3, lacerate is the more consistent option if you don't have anything helping your crit chance.

Reciprocity does technically help for flesh tearer but you need to build the stacks before you can actually get use out of it

Since vet has base 30% crit with desperado and even that feels lacking for flesh tearer sometimes

[muted peak]

here ya go

[unreal forge]

i'm sorry what is this build

[midnight wyvern]

got a bunch of nodes in WS too

[muted peak]

I dont respond to those kind of questions

I have fun with it

idc

[midnight wyvern]

dumped stability too?

[hybrid plover]

me running a serrated flesh tearer knife so I don't have to care about breakpoints

[steep flower]

What seems to be the ruckus?

[steep flower]

Could be slightly better but i see an idea

[steep flower]

In terms of performance; you should
In terms of answering to such ‘questions’ as above; i agree

[plain osprey]

Me need all purpose lasweapon build for Veteran pweeeasaase

[steep flower]

Coming home

[plain osprey]

I am currently at work too. Will be Home in an hour and play a few games with the emperors lightbulb

[plain osprey]

Thx

[covert fable]

Whatyu guys do for work

[hybrid plover]

I print and ship stuff

[spark canopy]

assault chainaxe of darkness and despair?

[covert fable]

Logistics ?

Sounds cool

[muted peak]

I don't play much beyond heresy and damnation anyway

I dont need efficiency

I will think about it when I want to play maelstorm

[muted peak]

assault chainaxe of grinding armor&flesh

[covert fable]

but you're an engineer

[steep flower]

Why you wanna know? It is not like you’re looking for smth right?

[covert fable]

im bored at work 😭

[olive halo]

U do realize ur named moebian iron?

[karmic moat]

I like his pile of steel pipes pfp much industrial, very metallic.

[muted peak]

Yes? That was my point, also my surname is demir, that's why I named myself that way

[muted peak]

I'm still a student atm so it doesnt work on me

[muted peak]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-pipe-gggg-banger-godlike-gif-9885189804401680492

[covert fable]

lol

[plain osprey]

I am waiting for my phd position to start. In the meantime i work in Security

[covert fable]

thats pretty neatt

you catch bad guys?

[plain osprey]

No. I sit at the desk of the university library in the afternoon after the librarians fucked off to Feierabend, babysitting the facility and the students within it, answering stupid questions like "why cant you turn on the AC" ? (We dont have one, because of "protecting the climate").....

[olive halo]

It ain't steel so I thought mistranslation

Fair nuff

[muted peak]

Are you the guy who checks my id nevertheless even If I showed it to security in the uni entrance?

[muted peak]

Saw it later but I wanted to chat, I work with my friend who founded a company, planning to launch an online psychology service app soon

[regal copper]

new to the game and choose the veteran class, is this class worth putting time into?

[midnight wyvern]

no

[muted peak]

What kind of operative you want?

[regal copper]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-gif-7313674825474610603

Bruh

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-gif-7313674825474610603

[muted peak]

Task failed

[midnight wyvern]

[tall torrent]

if ur expecting a ranged focused class, play psyker

[midnight wyvern]

like vet is fine, it does fine but every other class is "better" at what it does than veteran

[regal copper]

I am now realizing that

[muted peak]

It kind of depends on your playstyle

I picked professional vet as my first character and never dropped him

[regal copper]

well I like the close quarters and gun slinging player

[muted peak]

Vet

Or arbited maybe

[midnight wyvern]

arbites

why shout when castigators

why vet when dog is better

why marksmans stance when EO does the same thing

[regal copper]

so there isn’t a reason to be veteran class

[midnight wyvern]

exactly

[midnight wyvern]

there is, but if you want to focus more on specific parts, like ranged or melee

[muted peak]

Because the guard

[midnight wyvern]

other classes do it better

I play veteran because its boss killing potential is very safe

so its funny

but thats the only build I really enjoy on it

[tall torrent]

veteran is the melee/ranged hybrid class and does hybrid better than most

[regal copper]

I suppose melee then

[muted peak]

Finally some normal criticism

[tall torrent]

if u want range focus play psyker

if u want melee focus play zealot / ogryn / arbites

[muted peak]

Zealot, ogryn, arby pick your poison

[midnight wyvern]

Melee psyker is fun

[elder vessel]

Veteran identity Crisis

[midnight wyvern]

but I wouldn't start there

[regal copper]

Literally

[elder vessel]

Born to be shootgun guy

Forced to VoC

[tall torrent]

if u want ranged + melee hybrid play veteran

[midnight wyvern]

FGS

[elder vessel]

on one hand you are entirely correct, on the other hand, you are saying this like its the way it should be

[tall torrent]

yes it is

it is how it should be

[elder vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-lier-trending-gif-6708574292361340617

[midnight wyvern]

it does sound like veteran though

[elder vessel]

gun go bang

[midnight wyvern]

they're bros in the trenches of the 40k universe, they're probably fine with melee and gun

[elder vessel]

the eventual vet rework should have way more ranged power

[crimson pebble]

erm actually your not supposed to use the unique melee weapons on vet at all

explode

[midnight wyvern]

I wish I exploded when I used power sword

[void dragon]

Melee veteran? That not only sounds weird but also feels funny, are we sure Vet is supposed to melee willingly? Even when performing well it feels like a chore compared to other classes, Psyker included

[midnight wyvern]

it doesn't do it the best but its perfectly acceptable

[tall torrent]

sunder power sword among the fastest for mixed horde so yea

[midnight wyvern]

jack of all trades yada yada eepy sleepy

[void dragon]

Activation mode simulator

[crimson pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-feeder-camera-cat-feeder-cat-feeder-rat-rat-eating-gif-14671429678180518981

this chat

[midnight wyvern]

I wish

[elder vessel]

"Melee + ranged hybrid" so yeah the normal fucking video game

[tall torrent]

somehow still better than relic blade

[elder vessel]

veteran should be to ranged what zealot is to melee

[void dragon]

EVERYONE Is a ranged+melee class in the game

[void dragon]

That I believe you, relic blade might be praised all day but it's power definitely is lower than the Psword

[elder vessel]

Infiltrate should play like Huntsman in VT2 go invis and start popping heads, VoC should be deleted entirely and replaced with BH pistol

[tall torrent]

big 2-handed sword has less cleave, lower damage and weaker stagger than 1-handed sword that turns off on its own

[void dragon]

VoC should give thougness regen to the allies instead of piss toughness

[void dragon]

It's called B4laNc3

Source: MorbidlyobeseShrimp

[elder vessel]

melee + ranged hybrid veteran fallacy and its consequences have been disastrous for Humanity and I really hope Fatshark remembers this and makes Veteran a ranged class again

[tall torrent]

no, hybrid is much better

pretty much every playtester I've talked to agrees on that with me lol

[void dragon]

Let veteran embrace becoming the support class that gives buffs to a full team, from better gun damage to toughness regen while they are together like an actual squad, the best build for the class is basically support oriented anyway

[elder vessel]

every playtester who agrees with you is wrong

[slow sky]

damn, kinda rude

[void dragon]

Indeed

[elder vessel]

and true

[void dragon]

Eeeeeeeh....

[slow sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779424458238459946/1404604545748832306/tenor_91.gif

[half path]

think you should lower the bar and start by talking to people who havent taken an ice pick to the head (not this chat) i think you will find they would all agree with this

[void dragon]

The game is gun+melee, so every class should have skill on it, but where Psykers are AoE crushers, Ogryn are Crowd control, Arby are adaptable frontlines Veteran needs a similar niche to excel (Zealot not included because rework and also stinky)

Also also: we do need a new vet skill to let us pull a Hotshot lasgun to do a Rambo

Being the TF2 dispenser is not a niche of the class, is a build

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/rickandmorty-omg-oh-my-god-gif-3557664

[slow sky]

tbh their niche before was they were useful and applicable to any situation
they were generalists good enough at whatever needed to be done that you wouldnt regret having one
other classes buffs and the addition of havoc being the point of reference just powercrept the bar for what is considered good

you could spec into just ranged, but you could spec into full melee too and not come up short
you could also do both very easily

why am i saying that in the past tense

thats still how he works

[elder vessel]

power creep is in full force with pretty much everybody in this game

[tall torrent]

The part where they didn’t quite agree was when I said veteran should have up to +50% atk speed if u meme build hard enough

[void dragon]

So an all rounder should be their niche...but Arby already kinda took that, unless we can differentiate from frontline generalist and Back line generalist

[half path]

name a more iconic duo path and proposing the most cooked numbers ever

[void dragon]

Ok, that CAN'T be a serious proposal mate, I don't think I want Vet to be an anime sword protagonist

(hell, even now I'm still thinking they gave ogryn too much attack speed)

[carmine cradle]

Quick question. I haven't played in ages, and when i did last time i always used plasma gun.

When i look at the masteries it seems like a lot of them boost heat buildup. But why would you want that? The faster your heat builds up, the faster you have to cool it down again and the less you can shoot.

What am i missing? Or am i reading it wrong?

[half path]

do more damage at higher heat

[muted peak]

why the priestess mewing on vox chat picture?

[midnight wyvern]

its about risk to return, also pretty sure light attacks can't make you overheat

so basically no risk

[muted peak]

she has the most awesome jawline I have ever seen

[half path]

yep

[slow sky]

the nerd optimal setup involves very specific percentages to have the heat low enough to where you can slip 1 extra shot in, before needing to cool down again
its literally a breakpoint in what allows an extra shot, anything else past that doesnt really do much

[half path]

light attacks will always emergency vent without making you explode

[slow sky]

all the extra stats wont change anything there so the rest of that stat can go somewhere else

[carmine cradle]

is it not better to just never pick those masteries up so i can shoot more?

[void dragon]

But when do you prepare bayonets to repel the enemies of the Emperor in a suicide charge if you have that?

[slow sky]

i dont understand this question whatsoever

[half path]

its really not needed

and aint worth the dockets you will spend getting it imo

[carmine cradle]

if i don't pick up the masteries, i don't build up heat as fast -> i can shoot more before i have to vent, right?

[midnight wyvern]

its not how the masteries work

[slow sky]

your mastery is the mastery level of the weapon

[midnight wyvern]

you "collect" or obtain them, they're blessings that go on the gun

[slow sky]

yeah the blessings

[void dragon]

The blessings don't generate more heat iirc, they give you bonuses when you are in that high heat threshold

[slow sky]

then when you unlock them on that screen, you can apply them into one of the 2 slots of the weapon itself at the crafting screen

[midnight wyvern]

^

[mild hill]

actually i should start getting it

[midnight wyvern]

but yeah, they're only benefitting you

no reason to not have a gold weapon with 2 blessings that either work with your build or with the weapon, in plasma's case its going to generate heat no matter what you do

[tall torrent]

trench fighter (easier to access, melee only) 10%
arch militant (high investment, melee & ranged) 10%
competitive urge (RNG roll, melee only) 10%
weapon specialist (base nerfed from 15% down to) 10%
invigorated (promotes subnode investment) 10%

[tall torrent]

I have said worse

[half path]

you have yes

[tall torrent]

in the original plan I sent to johnny u could casually reach 50% ranged crit chance on vet

before any blessing and perk comes into effect

ofc I'm gonna overshoot because they'll def nerf everything even if I say balanced numbers

[midnight wyvern]

shock trooper and a flavour of las gun would like that

[void dragon]

Wait, you are suggesting changing those damage buffs to attack speed? Now that's even crazier that I expected

[mortal aspen]

it's a tooltip error, none of them increase heat buildup

[tall torrent]

no that's where the 50% comes from in the plan I sent

up to 50%

if u meme build

[carmine cradle]

thx

if i know that none of them are bad, then it's fine hehe

[muted peak]

looking to be a hybrid supporter in damnation, this is my talent tree my weapons are chaxe and lasgun, can switch to chainsword if necessary

[void dragon]

Still feel that the concept of the class should be aimed to be far from enemies but not allergic to melee, with the whole "DISTANCE is my shield, you are welcome to use it too"

[muted peak]

what do you guys recommend?

[tall torrent]

I think if johnny is anywhere near sane it'd prob end up being up to 30%

[midnight wyvern]

I think that's part of a tree, could be wrong

[tall torrent]

maybe 40%? if that last 10% is smth RNG like competitive urge

[void dragon]

Swap twin nades for the perk that gives you corruption healing on heal packs and frags on ammo packs, it provides more utility in a long run I feel

[mortal aspen]

this talent below the shredder is a meme, i'm pretty sure

[tall torrent]

drop charismatic and GBITF

[muted peak]

what are you suggesting?

[slow sky]

theres not much you can do for support, you have most of the support talents, anything else beyond whats pictured here is just not worth the point, the rest of your points are better spent making yourself better because you wont be doing much with these passives if youre dead because you cant live or kill whats killing you

[void dragon]

Don't know who Jonny is but probably you could get away with 40% if you are REALLY focusing on it, but I would prefer different boots than becoming a human blender, which is the Zealot role I think

[midnight wyvern]

to show the rest

[midnight wyvern]

get more

[slow sky]

those are unspent

[muted peak]

dude

[slow sky]

everything thats shown is whats placed

[muted peak]

not funny

[midnight wyvern]

use more

[void dragon]

The one thing that Veteran donis support with extra resources, CC from frags and piss thougness, it's all its best build does

[mortal aspen]

the middle keystone is support

[slow sky]

i think focus fire is greatly overrated

[muted peak]

do you think I should get keystones?

[mortal aspen]

maybe, but it is supporting your team

[void dragon]

It has some support implications, but is more a damage amp with some nice ribbons

[mortal aspen]

and if that's the idea for the build - why not

[tall torrent]

yes, middle or right

[slow sky]

theres only a few builds that dont because the weapons find too much value it some of the smaller nodes

so they forgo the keystones to save points for those

[muted peak]

I really like the nodes on left tree

so I cant go right

[void dragon]

Too bad Veteran can't afford them in this economy

[tall torrent]

u can prob tweak this

[muted peak]

what about the ones below them?

[slow sky]

99% of the time its being used by the vet himself to kill an alite in 1-2 fewer shots
the only time you actually see real value is against bosses, but lets be real, bosses arent really a threat anymore

[muted peak]

is this considered a tweak?

Because I really like these nodes

[void dragon]

Bosses aren't the menace, the trapper, flamer and bomber legions behind them are the real menace

[tall torrent]

what weapons are u using for this

[muted peak]

chaxe

or chainsword

and lasgun

[mortal aspen]

I believe you

[tall torrent]

uh

[muted peak]

frequent firing one

[tall torrent]

which is?

[mortal aspen]

suppression immunity 💀

[slow sky]

recon

[tall torrent]

infantry lasgun? recon?

[void dragon]

What lasgun? Recon? Infantry? Helbore?

[slow sky]

also yeah you dont need suppression immunity with a recon because it doesnt get suppressed like at all

[muted peak]

oh mb forgot there were lasgun variants

[tall torrent]

u don't need suppression immunity with recon because u will suppress before u get suppressed

[void dragon]

Suppression was a mistake of a mechanic it feels

[muted peak]

why the skull?

[tall torrent]

uh
bring it down
marksman
focus target
target down

done

[mortal aspen]

warhammer is all about skulls, no?

💀

[mortal aspen]

no, it's a great mechanic

[void dragon]

No, it's about the 40000 warhammers

[mortal aspen]

but being immune to suppression is a waste, idk why you'd ever take it

[tall torrent]

2 guns benefit from it

[mortal aspen]

which ones?

[void dragon]

Which ones?

[midnight wyvern]

Plasma and Brauto

[tall torrent]

inf las
revolver

[midnight wyvern]

[void dragon]

Maaaaaaan, I wish Brautos were good

[hollow ibex]

Hey they are on vet

Just build specific

And on auric or below

[muted peak]

I'm not so sure about marksman

I never use voc with ranged weapons

like I'm always in the midst of melee when I use voc

[tall torrent]

who said it's for ranged

[muted peak]

%20 strentg for 10 seconds on combat ability use?

[tall torrent]

it applies to melee weakspot hits too

[muted peak]

hm

[tall torrent]

what gave u the impression that it's for ranged

[muted peak]

okay

[muted peak]

I'm tired, thought it was for only ranged

anyhow

time for a test run

[hollow ibex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1mtvhy8/why_dose_the_coolest_looking_lasgun_have_to_be_so/

lol

Reddit

[void dragon]

Marksman implies for ranged use, also it's on the supposedly ranged side of the perk tree

[void dragon]

Hate on the Helbore?! That's heresy

[quiet valley]

Some real crazy takes in there

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[quiet valley]

it’s fine, it means the Helbore will be un-nerfable

[hollow ibex]

and nearly 200 upvotes

yes

helbore bad

pls buff fatshart

[void dragon]

The same Dueling sword simps that cry in a corner for nerfs to their carry weapon

[quiet valley]

avg Havoc 20 player

[mortal aspen]

270 updoots

[midnight wyvern]

270 havoc 10 players

[quiet valley]

I wonder what these people would do if they found out the Helbore has infinite ammo, amazing breakpoints, punches through carapace, and eats bosses for breakfast.

They still think the draw speed is what’s killing the gun

[tall torrent]

this is peak darktide

[void dragon]

More like Havoc 5 players, and I say that knowing that H20 players can be quite Garbo

[tall torrent]

this is a game
naming conventions don't mean that much

[void dragon]

Yeeeeeah, I'm learning that by the second

Btw folks, supposedly patch is tomorrow, what are your wants and wishes that ObeseFish will never fulfil?

[round flint]

fatshark naming conventions are great. just take the name, and assume it does the opposite of what the name implies

[mortal aspen]

nerf vet

🙏

[hollow ibex]

new patch: vet has no stam regen

once you use up your stam, that's it

[tall torrent]

vostroyan helbore lasgun sight misalignment
arbites EO
ext & DB shotgun bracing causes aim shift
dog incorrectly triggers DH aggro

[void dragon]

Asthmatic guy, the class

[hollow ibex]

i assume EO will be fixed

surely

[void dragon]

Probably...

[round flint]

what a silly shitpost. fatshark wouldnt do anything that dumb. theyd make it so using the medicae would restore 20% stamina

[midnight wyvern]

dog does DH agro stuff?

can it gain agro off someone? or is the dog walking through DH zone causing aggression build up

[hybrid plover]

What the fuck am I looking at

[tall torrent]

dog attacking smth can randomly active DH even when ur nowhere near the DH

[midnight wyvern]

lmao

[void dragon]

Peak DT players (they are Heretics)

[hybrid plover]

This is

Truly one of the reddit takes of All Time

[hybrid plover]

Wait

270 likes

Emperor please save me

[void dragon]

As I said, Heretics

[hybrid plover]

My head hurts.

[void dragon]

That's Nurgle's brainrot setting it for gazing something so foul, take some prayers and a bolt to the head to ease it

[slow sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779424458238459946/1404604545748832306/tenor_91.gif

holy shit

[hybrid plover]

Reddit is a magical place

[void dragon]

Warp magic indeed

i swear that the post is made in the past when the helbore was slow as hell and we are the only ones that know its the best Vet weapon

[hollow ibex]

yeah maybe OP is still playing last patch

[void dragon]

as i said: warp magic

[crimson wyvern]

another lonely auric with everyone ragequitting

[hollow ibex]

And matchmaking being broken so nobody is going to backfill

Really is incredible how much they managed to break the game before fucking off for a month

[midnight wyvern]

I wasn't even getting humans to begin with

[crimson wyvern]

i'd be heaving if my multiplayer game wasnt multiplaying properly lmao

[faint beacon]

How it feels being in an empty lobby for more than 5 minutes

[crimson wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/pigeon-pigeon-falling-falling-jump-fall-gif-23036577

[faint beacon]

Solo+

Except it’s especially interesting when you’re playing Veteran

[covert dagger]

Maybe Auric isn’t super fun?

[faint beacon]

Oh no it’s incredibly fun for me at least lmao

Mainly just veteran tends to Get drop kicked easier in solo situations

[kind bison]

That's mostly because vet is underpowered

[half glade]

Does Born Leader talant literally only share 15% of toughness you heal to coherency? So if you at 100% and kill stuff, they get nothing? I wonder how it synergize to Confirmed Kill which restores toughness over time. Like, if you have a bunch of CK effects on you, and you are at 100% tougness - do you pass any to your comrades that are not at 100%?

[mortal aspen]

no
nerf vet

[half glade]

woah, that's cool. so I'm actually more useful to the squad than I thought lol

tnx

[hybrid plover]

Extremely good with shredder grenades

[half glade]

Yeah, I'm running a grenade-heavy build right now, with bolt pistol. So I've been a party healer all that time lol

[sleek musk]

is there some trick to doing the Powersword push attack stab? for the life of me i cant do the stab after a push attack

[hybrid plover]

Are you using the right mark

[sleek musk]

Yeah mark VI

[hybrid plover]

Block, push and hold left click

[sleek musk]

Ah maybe its the hold

lemme give it a go

[mortal aspen]

you have to hold

[sleek musk]

well i feel dumb, i was tapping left click

thanks!

[mortal aspen]

I do remember there are weapons with attacks that only come out after a push, but not pushattacks

quirky

[slow sky]

i mean it makes sense does it

every action is considered a part of the moveset, and thus will chain into something else when a light or heavy is used

[mortal aspen]

yes, but I think most weapons will just do a Light 1 after a push

I think one of the pickaxes has something like that?

[slow sky]

and there are attacks that can only be accessed from specific actions, like slides, equips, or a specific attack mid moveset

so its not outlandish

[mortal aspen]

I suppose

VT2 has a weapon that changes attack pattern if you keep holding a heavy iirc

now that's quirky

something you'll never do organically

[steep flower]

BASED CORE

[mortal aspen]

no, I misremembered, it's ever weirder:

Mace and Shield on saltz
PA -> Heavy does a H1 shield bash, BUT if you hold till the end of the animation, he will do the windup animation for shield bash, but change to a H2 hammer sweep at the last moment

...for some reason

[pseudo fiber]

This is the worst hahahhahaha

[slow sky]

you wouldnt understand... youre not in the know with the havoc sweats....

[pseudo fiber]

Reddit is the dregs of the community I hate that place

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-whatever-lies-gif-3602502

[narrow widget]

insane posing

[red portal]

I mean maybe crushers and monstrosities but like no enemies does he just want full trapper immunity?

[pseudo fiber]

Yes

Unironic suggestion that you should be immune to damage when trapped

enemy that does nothing

[narrow widget]

enemy that benefits you

[red portal]

Just make it corrupt you at double the speed dogs do trough toughness

[narrow widget]

trapper the weakest link on the team right at the start of the fight and never have to worry again

[pseudo fiber]

Frankly they should heal you

wrong reply

[atomic void]

delete trapper

[narrow widget]

they should delete every enemy in the game except for groaners

[red portal]

They should bring back the VT 2 trapper

Just kidnaps you and brings you across the map

[heavy rover]

clearly never played with smokes before

[hybrid plover]

Okay the shoot through enemy units. I'll let them cook on that.

Immunity to damage?

Yeah you've lost me there.

[pseudo fiber]

If it can't shoot through enemy units the trapper is useless

Cleave cap whatever

But the awful suggestions (there are like 4 more) are why I think they're lying

[hybrid plover]

I do think it's a little bullshit when they can shoot through like, ten crushers sometimes. Maybe a cleave cap of some sort.

Not a full on, they can't shoot through.

But not being able to be damaged while trapped sounds so dumb.

Plus, you are not immune to damage at all while pounced by a dog wtf is this person talking about

[limber chasm]

Where the hell on this website do I try to join up with people for a game?

[sonic kayak]

#vox-lfg-lexicanum

[red portal]

There are also party channels if you scroll down

[hybrid plover]

Why would they, sMoKeS aRe BaD

Worst blitz in da game

[red portal]

Don't worry they clear havoc 40 every week

[hybrid plover]

But don't know that they're not immune to damage while pounced

Like, what

Like my dude have you even played Damnation

[red portal]

Yeah getting pogryn overheaded while dogged was pretty fun

100 health removed instantly

[hybrid plover]

Pounced by dog

The tox flamer:

[calm shard]

chaos spawn overhead is fast enough to do it twice ;)

[red portal]

Nurgle spit feels like a free save sometimes

Oh no a bit of extra corruption and slowness anyways

[hybrid plover]

Nurgle spit has the same relationship to me as mutants.

They can save you. Or be the literal worst thing in existence

[red portal]

Going from I love you mutant to I hate muties all in the same minute after you got mutant chained into a pox burster.

[hybrid plover]

The mutant catching you as you're in cover trying to avoid a salvo from a gunner line in a Havoc 40

[calm shard]

gunned down before you can even touch the ground

[hybrid plover]

If there is any reason why I've started to love smokes as much as I do, that's a major one.

They have saved me from this exact scenario a bunch of times already.

[umbral parrot]

Smokes are BOMB. Been loving them when they first released.

[hybrid plover]

They're honestly replaced shredders for me at this point since I tend to run Helbore as long as I have Shocktroop, there honestly isn't any real need for survivalist for me

It's a tricky but very fun build to run and it's done me wonders in h40

[past stratus]

I just saw the Helbore post, can you guys updoot it so Fatshark keeps buffing it? Thanks

[hybrid plover]

Honestly if there is one thing I want FS to do, it's making it that aiming down sight charges the shot innately

I know there's a mod for it.

But that should just be a base function of the weapon imho

[steep flower]

Nah; forced things are not well regarded

[hollow ibex]

What’s the downside tho

Or could make it a setting

[hybrid plover]

I get that. But this is the one case where I think it makes complete sense.

[mortal aspen]

currently it discharges automatically if you hold for too long

[hybrid plover]

One of the biggest things that makes the Helbore user unfriendly is how it fires.

[mortal aspen]

I think it's ok as it is now, the sights are just bad

[hybrid plover]

Could just make it that it specifically doesn't do that while aiming down sight. And even then, it takes so long that it doesn't really matter much in practicality.

[spring ocean]

sights can definitely be annoying to use

[hybrid plover]

That I can agree on.

[red fox]

Had a psyker in our friend group who died 4 times in his heresy game say the reason we lost our auric run is cuz he wasn't there for crowd control

The real reason we lost is cuz that poxburster i pushed exploded instantly cuz he got knocked down by a mutant charge

is that a thing?

[austere mica]

Yes

Mutants stagger lesser enemies

[red fox]

so unfortunate

it happned in less than a second that a mutie charged but he was already in front of the burster

but i guess its an AOE

[hybrid plover]

Wait you guys were doing an auric run and he died four times in their heresy game?

Auric Heresy?

I'm confused.

[red fox]

We had helped him earlier in a Heresy run

in which he died 4 times

he then spectated our Auric game and said we lost cuz he wasn't there

[sharp epoch]

true

[hybrid plover]

okay

not to jump to conclusions

is this psyker a smite user perchance

[red fox]

yep

[hybrid plover]

the archetype really does just make itself here

[boreal goblet]

Helbore in H40? thats insane and cool

[hybrid plover]

Helbore right now is very, very good.

[red fox]

i've yet to run the hellbore even tho i have a goddy one maxed out

[hybrid plover]

Just requires a bit more deliberation as opposed to other ranged weapons.

[boreal goblet]

I prefer the Recon las, atleast untill they give me my hotshot/Volley

[hybrid plover]

And it's also one of the best ranged weapons to use if you want to go real heavy on melee.

[red fox]

I feel like im mostly in melee anyway as a bolter/revolver runner atm

[hybrid plover]

helbore directly buffs your melee in a perculiar way

[red fox]

oh?

[hybrid plover]

hot shot

hot shot 1 significantly increases your cleave on weak spot hits

by the number, every enemy that's hit in the weakspot has 20% of their normal hit mass

[red fox]

👀

[hybrid plover]

this is

[red fox]

is that a bug

[hybrid plover]

possibly

i know hot shot 1 working better than 4 is

whether it's supposed to have the interaction that it works on your melee weapon as well is another story

i want to say it is

[red fox]

actually thats not new right, bpistol perk works for grenades

[hybrid plover]

yes

[boreal goblet]

Helbore+Powersword teck?

[hybrid plover]

yap

though I use knife actually lol

[boreal goblet]

ive been using a knife since we last talked

its so good

[hybrid plover]

i've been having too much fun with it and helbore cuz the mobility is so quick that it lets you easily reposition

and combined with smokes, it gives you the opportunity to get shots off that you usually couldn't under ranged pressure

it's got a guerilla sniper sorta vibe to it

[boreal goblet]

I've been using Knife Recon, been thinking about going Knife Bolt pistol so I can pick up Kraks and still have that horde clear,

[hybrid plover]

Kraks with lethal

That's an interesting thought

[boreal goblet]

and tinkerer

50% damage

[hybrid plover]

Honestly, I do hate to be the bearer of bad news but tinkerer really doesn't do enough for kraks

[boreal goblet]

awww

[hybrid plover]

It staggers bosses

But it does that without

and the extra damage is uh

[boreal goblet]

I thought i was cooking

[hybrid plover]

It's just not impactful

It really should be more

But lethal does make it that you can take out more heavy armor with a single krak

so there's synergy there

but you don't need tinkerer to do that

[boreal goblet]

I just wish either Arbite was lowered to Human or veteran gets a small tree rework and renamed "Scion"

[slow sky]

arbites needs to be nerfed regardless

vet just needs some design and structure tweaks

both should happen regardless

[hybrid plover]

the soldier's true worst enemy in this war

taxes

[midnight wyvern]

worth it for DH killing otherwise meh

[hollow ibex]

well uh...

you get to do 10% damage to plogryns with kraks now

🔥

[boreal goblet]

hey Knife, what should I make for the helbore?

60% Stability?

[hybrid plover]

if you run shocktroop and surv, you can dump ammo

if not, stability is a valid dump too

[boreal goblet]

Gonna try the powersword and helbore

This is good enoguh for the powersword right?

[boreal goblet]

is it only hotshot 1?

[unreal nova]

Not really. The increase for kill is tiny. You just chip more. It's only for armourbane penance where you lob them into scab hordes and such.

Tinkerer increases the edge chip from negligible to minor.

[boreal goblet]

Good to know its tried,

[hybrid plover]

it's still

something

whether it's enough is debatable

[hybrid plover]

hot shot is bugged where the lowest tier has the most benefit

[boreal goblet]

Dude I feel like I could CLEAVE GOD

[unreal nova]

Oh, it is. I'm a knoife 'nade gremlin.

[unreal nova]

Not really, as said only for that bloody penance.

The only time you are really gonna multi kill with it if you have h40 insane densities, but then you aren't 1 shotting without tinkerer.

[hybrid plover]

Hmm. I guess this is the one case use for tinkerer

But honestly, it probably won't even reach far enough to deal with an entire wall of crushers like you can get in h40

[unreal nova]

Also, no. You are better off with frags or smoke in havoc.

You might kill 3-4 of them if VERY lucky, but not worth it.

[hybrid plover]

Kraks honestly just need to be reworked

[unreal nova]

Yep. Is really only for newbies atm.

[tall torrent]

cleave targets is dump stat on power sword

[hybrid plover]

oh i didn't see this

you really don't want to dump mobility on ps

[unreal nova]

You can, I did. You have to play really well with it though.

Since dodges are even more atrocious then.

[fossil lake]

Can enemies have multiple armor modifiers or no?

Like, scab ragers don't count as maniac at all?

[unreal nova]

Yes. Some have like 3 different depending on where you shoot or if it's a DoT.

[fossil lake]

I'm aware, I mean stacked

Like, is scab rager JUST flak or does it get affected by maniac bonuses

It probably doesn't but it FEELS like it should

[tall torrent]

flak weakspot
flak base
carapace torso
carapace center mass

[fossil lake]

Thanks, but this is still not what I'm asking. Contextually I'm going to assume you're saying, yes, there's only 1 damage type applicable

[boreal goblet]

if your doing the whole Cleave tech, should you still have brutal momentum as well

[tall torrent]

since scab rager has no hitzones that are maniac
+dmg vs maniac does nothing against scab rager

[hybrid plover]

yes because brutal momentum caps and the extra cleave will still give benefit after the cap

[fossil lake]

Sad. Ragers are the quintessential "maniac" in my eyes, so an armoured rager feels like it should still be classified as maniac in addition to armour types

[narrow frost]

@tall torrent do you have your Psword clip against the crusher

[normal sparrow]

Whats the difference between base and center mass?

Like i know soulblaze/burn is against flak

[austere mica]

Damage type for non locational damage

[normal sparrow]

Like DoT = base, explosion = center mass?

[fossil lake]

Yeah, torso and center mass sound like the same thing

unless center mass is like...belly

and torso is chest

[midnight wyvern]

yeah iirc DoTs will damage it to flak, not carapace

which is odd lol

no like fire in their tum tum

whodathunk

[fossil lake]

that tracks with base

[midnight wyvern]

dunno if any other enemies are like that

think it may only be the scab rager

[fossil lake]

scab faction usually flak torso unarmored head

[midnight wyvern]

not the same thing

[fossil lake]

Do you mean with different base than their torso?

[midnight wyvern]

yeah

[fossil lake]

reaper torso is flak but base is unyielding

but center mass is unyielding so idk lol

i think reaper is the only one with different center mass than torso

So idk what center mass means

or affects

[tall torrent]

Uh

Not atm

I’m going to bed soon

[tall torrent]

Base vs DOT
Center mass vs explosion

[fossil lake]

Unless there's another enemy apart from Reapers that has a different center mass than torso, then the stat seems to only exist for them haha

[tall torrent]

Reaper torso is flak

[fossil lake]

that's what I'm saying

it's the only example I found

[boreal goblet]

which mark should i focus on getting better with on the powersword, the one wih the push Stab, or the sweeps

[hybrid plover]

push stab

100%

it is just better across the board

[slow sky]

when brutal momentum exists theres no reason not to use the push stab one, the mk6, to do both group clear just as good as the other mark while also doing single target flat out better

[tall torrent]

VI

[boreal goblet]

God I love the fact that malestroms are just congalines of madness,

I feel bad, I'm in havocs, can complete 17-19, go back to malestrom to practice, and end up dead constantly,

meanwhile psyker teamate just yelling at me how I suck and should qit being in his lobies like.

If I'm in havoc why can't I handle Malestrom?

[unreal nova]

Cos auric maels are closer to H25.

[normal bay]

Teen havocs are spicy heresy maels

[boreal goblet]

so good practice?

[unreal nova]

For normal maels, yes.

The problem is more, ppl are a billion times more disorganised on mael than havoc.

[boreal goblet]

trying to get my buddy into it and its, not been good, we have been getting closer the more we play so yea,

[unreal nova]

No demotions to force teamwork.

[tall torrent]

Figure out what’s downing you the most and start learning how to play those better

[boreal goblet]

Its chip.

it really isn't much more than chip

[midnight wyvern]

take less chip

just that shrimple

[boreal goblet]

its positioning, I get laser focused on fighting things, I don't se my team mates moving, I try to get better but with pugs, it hurts

[light snow]

common question incoming. Dump stat for plasma gun?

[normal bay]

@tired egret

[light snow]

lol

[normal bay]

Stats as above

Its not a traditional dump stat

[light snow]

Bro my very next pull was 69 thermal 71 ammo. SOOO CLOSE

[normal bay]

Just another 2 million ordos to go

[steep flower]

Thats quite bad

[steep flower]

So general situational awareness; that takes time

Majority of ppl lack it

[boreal goblet]

I know, but its so frustrating of like "Okay we're fighting we're fighting," and the next thing I know I turn around its the 3 dudes I thought were my teammates are All Crushers,

I used to be a zealot main at launch, so Meleeing things and fighting them isn't a problem I'm trying ot be a team player but I just end up a pancake more than most and its starting to drive me nuts

[steep flower]

Need a coach?

[boreal goblet]

yea maybe next week, Its 4Am whre I live and I got a few chores before work starts,

tomorrow at 8

[steep flower]

Its noon here

[boreal goblet]

nightshift life :TM:

[steep flower]

Am or pm your time?

[boreal goblet]

8pm, I work from 21:00to7:00

[steep flower]

Thats gonna be 4am for me so nah

Earlier

[boreal goblet]

its curently <t:1755597746:t> I have chores to do before <t:1755622826:t>, I'm got work tonight, (( <t:1755658826:t> ))

I can't get coached tonight, or this week, but I'm off on Saturday-Monday, so how about, <t:1755935100:f>

[steep flower]

Thats a day i will be outside of town

[boreal goblet]

Oh damn

I'll ping you later then, thank you for the offer it was appreciated

[steep flower]

Add me on discord its gonna be much easier to communicate

[unreal nova]

68 thermal 72 charge rate?

Also works btw. Just gotta test.

[light snow]

the 69 thermal is the important breakpoint right?

So 70 70 is fine. But any lower on thermal and I can't squeeze an extra shot.

Would be nice if the simulacrum actually let me test like a sandbox

[normal bay]

68 is possibly ok too but you need to check, its not a guarantee

[grand perch]

I don't think 70 70 is possible unless theres some serious decimal tomfoolery going on with the 80 stats

[muted peak]

I need a weapon that compliments infantry lasgun mark 2b in battle

melee

[unreal nova]

Luck based, got some weapons like that before.

[light snow]

I've just kinda avoided the plasma gun this entire time... why not just dump charge speed? It's hardly ever charged anywas

[normal bay]

Grab something to deal with armour, Combat Axe, Chain Axee, Power sword, duelling sword, Shock Maul

[light snow]

or does charge speed affect the single shot fire rate too?

[normal bay]

Yes

[light snow]

im about to just use this 71 therm 71 charge 78 stopping power

This rng is a lil silly

[unreal nova]

At that point, just thermal dump as much as possible with charge rate as other.

Losing damage is bleah.

[light snow]

oh is stopping power damage?

i just figured it was stagger

[lucid ginkgo]

Fixed an issue where the “Hot Shot” blessing was scaling incorrectly over the tiers, while also remaining active while the secondary weapon was not wielded.
It's so over?

[pseudo fiber]

Move the helbore down a tier lmfaooo

Oh it got nerfed too

[faint beacon]

Yeah hotshot is officially dogshit now basically

[grand perch]

Fixed an issue where the “Hot Shot” blessing was scaling incorrectly over the tiers, while also remaining active while the secondary weapon was not wielded.

Dev Note: The blessing will now scale its value 20/30/40/50% over tiers 1 to 4 as intended, instead of the incorrect and reverse scaling 80/70/60/50%.

OH COME ON

[faint beacon]

50 billion indirect nerfs to vet

[grand perch]

I was so happy being able to cleave with tac axe in high havoc

[faint beacon]

You will have low cleave

and you will be happy

[ember nest]

Where is shovel gremlin

They'll be distraught

[steep flower]

Finally its fixed; ppl will have to cope and thats ok

[ember nest]

Hotshot nerf is wild man

[steep flower]

Its not a nerf; its a fix

[faint beacon]

0 reason to use that blessing ever If I'll be honest lmao

[muted peak]

[faint beacon]

Me millionth Bloat blessing that serves 0 purpose

[muted peak]

what about chainsword?

[ember nest]

The fix nerfed it

I know its now working as intended but damn lmfao

[steep flower]

Its not the best vs elites due to carapace dmg & not being able to stun even a reaper unless you use a heavy attack rev

[steep flower]

Unless you use it as arby its not great now

[sudden cedar]

Is that "hotfix" out?

[faint beacon]

Yes its live now

[sudden cedar]

Great.

[faint beacon]

Now they should fix lethal prox and piss everyone off that uses crushers/grenades

[boreal goblet]

I legitimately just built a helbore to try the cleave the world thing,

[muted peak]

hm

[boreal goblet]

And holy damn it was fun, Little frustrated aboute the double standard with the bolt pistol.

Yep, I was the final Straw

[ember nest]

On the bright side you get to use the helbore as the helbore

[dim escarp]

did arbites get a new outfit

[slate ocean]

Which is the best stats structure for the Plasma gun ?

[boreal goblet]

@tired egret

[sudden cedar]

In fact, no one got anything new, shop hasn't rotated yet

[boreal goblet]

I'm not mad about Fixes, I'm frustrated that Bolt Pistol applies to ALL EXPLOSIONS but not anything else, the ability to have extra Cleave on a Powersword with a helbore, THAT was fun

[normal bay]

Don't worry, lethal prox will be fixed next update to bring vet in line

Too OP

[faint beacon]

we need to nerf this class

[boreal goblet]

so why shouldn't we all play Zealots?

[normal bay]

Because the builds are incredibly boring

And the ranged damage is significantly worse

[sudden cedar]

Everyone should just play Ogryn.

[faint beacon]

Or Arby

[sudden cedar]

And all of them should play gunlugger or ogrynheimer

so the ammo shortage is real and everyone complains about it

[boreal goblet]

Gah what do I even use as a Gun anymore lol

[soft trellis]

Just kill crushers with your autopistol

[boreal goblet]

Damn Parent issue, I knew my parents growing up, so couldn't get brainwa-I mean trained in the schola

[soft trellis]

[faint beacon]

Better Veteran spotted

[soft trellis]

technically a veteran could do it faster and with les bullets cause of stacking rending and 10% rending on the tree

[sudden cedar]

Is 10% rending really .. that.. good?

[soft trellis]

No

[faint beacon]

fuck no

lmao

[sudden cedar]

[soft trellis]

It just makes stupid things possible, like killing crushers with a recon

[unreal nova]

Onslaught though...

[faint beacon]

only notable thing it does is make the Vigils actually useful against maniacs

[boreal goblet]

I thought Onslaught was a Meme?

[soft trellis]

that is required for it on top of 10% rending

[unreal nova]

It is.

[soft trellis]

It is yeah lol

killing crushers with recon lasguns/infantry autoguns is most definitely a meme

[unreal nova]

But we are talking the 10% rending here, another meme pick.

[faint beacon]

Yeah this is already miserable lmao

first match I join and I cant kill a single thing