Crazy they tax you for that
#veteran-class
tropic notch
hybrid plover
they caught ligma in the trenches
hybrid plover
oh disclaimer on this since someone actually mentioned this to me while i was playing h40 yesterday
you want hot shot 1
mortal aspen
they're just tired from carrying everyone, shouting so much
hybrid plover
not 4
olive halo
bros is the guide actually telling me to take unarmored damage?
orchid hemlock
bros is the guide actually telling me to take unarmored damage?
Yeah
Is there a problem?
covert fable
Eat him orcka
olive halo
isnt that the weakest enemy in the game???
tropic notch
bros is the guide actually telling me to take unarmored damage?
Unarmored is the tankist type im not joking
hollow ibex
yeah don't underestimate heretic heads
hybrid plover
isnt that the weakest enemy in the game???
unarmored is the tankiest
tropic notch
isnt that the weakest enemy in the game???
It’s needed for certain weapons
hybrid plover
you just dont have as much of it as flak
olive halo
like ive seen flak, maniac, elite but Ive never seen unarmored
hybrid plover
im baffled
have you ever noticed how much tankier a dreg gunner is as opposed to a scab gunner
olive halo
dreg is the black and green one right?
covert fable
Are the scab gunners the one with armour?
hollow ibex
I'd never expect that
40k logic. they take off the armor and become tankier 
hybrid plover
dreg is the black and green one right?
that's the scab
olive halo
ah so the yellowish one
hybrid plover
40k logic. they take off the armor and become tankier <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322...
okay honestly, it kind of makes sense
hollow ibex
dregs are the dudes with rags
olive halo
have you ever noticed how much tankier a dreg gunner is as opposed to a scab gun...
no I have not noticed that
hollow ibex
and then there's scab bruiser, whose head is also unarmored
hybrid plover
i'd imagine dregs are way more intimately associated with nurgle
hollow ibex
i'd imagine dregs are way more intimately associated with nurgle
the grandfather protects!
hybrid plover
and therefore accepts his blessing much more, making them tankier
orchid hemlock
like ive seen flak, maniac, elite but Ive never seen unarmored
olive halo
yeah you're right, I just tried it in the psykhanium
hybrid plover
combat axe already holds up very well against flak
olive halo
2 headshots vs 3 headshots
hybrid plover
so it makes more sense to put unarmored on it to hit breakpoints on the enemy type it doesn't hold up as well against
olive halo
I genuinely never noticed that in like 240 hours
hybrid plover
I genuinely never noticed that in like 240 hours
it's one of the most deceptive things about this game
unarmored enemies are not weak at all
especially
covert fable
I thought the game was gaslighting me
hybrid plover
tox bombers.........
covert fable
"Why is the unarmoured stronger than armored"
hollow ibex
adding tox bombers to the game was a mistake
covert fable
I might unironically take box bomber dmg resist over gunners atp
hybrid plover
I might unironically take box bomber dmg resist over gunners atp
there's no such thing. :)
covert fable
QHAT
olive halo
1000 fucking health tox bomber
3 ogryns health bar
primal zealot
1000 fucking health tox bomber
i hate this more than you can possibly imagine
hybrid plover
I couldve sworn there was
it's tox flamer
hollow ibex
corruption resist i guess
olive halo
oh ma gah
hybrid plover
not with my trusty helbore and a good shot to the face
olive halo
no tox bomber
hybrid plover
was fucking hunting season yesterday for me
yeah
there's no tox bomber
just bomber resistance
covert fable
Those fuckers are annoying too
They just sit back and hit fucking cs2 lineups with theor incendiary gernadws
primal zealot
just bomber resistance
it works for both
primal zealot
yeaj
calm shard
yeah
primal zealot
flamers too
hybrid plover
i've used it and didnt even notice a difference
covert fable
I'm running bomber resistance now
hybrid plover
unless its so marginal that it doesn't even matter
primal zealot
it kinda is
olive halo
hollow ibex
well there's corruption resist
hollow ibex
which i think would apply for tox bombers
broken reef
it works for both
is the fart nades from twins also affected by this
primal zealot
idk maybe
calm shard
because the reason tox bombers kill you is the penalty to toughness gain when inside the gas
you lose 30% of all toughness gained when in the gas
hybrid plover
*because the reason tox bombers kill you is the penalty to toughness gain when i...
like it's not the corruption that really kills you
it's that
and it does like
Nothing against that
primal zealot
its more like cus u cant see
hybrid plover
that's why I just honestly thought it didn't work
orchid hemlock
its more like cus u cant see
Did you try opening your eyes? 🤔
broken reef
damn i got 3 of these cause i like magdumping with deadshot
sonic kayak
Did you try opening your eyes? 🤔
orchid hemlock
https://tenor.com/view/racist-asian-thats-racist-gif-5616580
Wait
olive halo
damn i got 3 of these cause i like magdumping with deadshot
aw hell nah
covert fable
Is £3 for a 500ml redbull too much
primal zealot
how much is that in real money ?
covert fable
I'm going to eat you.
azure narwhal
blessings for knife and plasma? going to use MkVI knife
hollow ibex
plasma
hybrid plover
uncanny + riposte, precog, lacerate or flesh tearer depending on how you build
executor is also okay but you need to really ride or die by the heavy to make that work
and push attacks
muted peak
Good blessings for devil's claw?
hybrid plover
Good blessings for devil's claw?
thunderstrike + savage sweep
covert fable
i just got juggled inbetween 2 pox bursters
is thegame telling m,e something
this is so fucking funny
i dont know if the arby kille them
but it said he did
hybrid plover
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kUW6aPO9lt3myzLi8?invite=c...
it do be like that on this bitch of an atoma
covert fable
and hes an arby
hybrid solstice
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kUW6aPO9lt3myzLi8?invite=c...
covert fable
https://tenor.com/view/felix-auger-aliassime-frances-tiafoe-tennis-oops-rally-gi...
hey
hybrid plover
oh my god i hate mutants so fucking much
muted peak
shred+rampage/skullcrusher
hybrid plover
<:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
please don't actually put those on the devil's claw
muted peak
Why?
hybrid plover
it was a joke
muted peak
I'm away from pc so dont know their effects
muted peak
it was a joke
muted peak
Does it reduce damage?
hybrid plover
No it just doesn't do anything for damage
muted peak
hybrid plover
Like at all
increases cleave and stagger
I saw a vet running that
and then proceeded to get folded by a single crusher and then left
hybrid plover
nope
muted peak
What
hybrid plover
don't even try it
muted peak
Even with parry?
hybrid plover
parry doesn't change that its carapace multiplier is one of the worst in the entire game
muted peak
hybrid plover
it is simply not meant for it
unless you're running a fury zealot build
and time your charges and parries right
covert fable
oh my god i hate mutants so fucking much
this mission im in has like a shit ton of mutants dogs and pox bursters
its so fun
hybrid plover
is it a maelstrom
sonic kayak
I love when snipers kill you even though you don't see the laser
hybrid plover
AYO
covert fable
I love when snipers kill you even though you don't see the laser
ikr
covert fable
is it a maelstrom
yes
what the fuck
i ahve "arthurshelby" and "kratos" in my team 😭
mint spire
What's the dump Stat for Plasma Gun?
azure narwhal
What's the dump Stat for Plasma Gun?
charge rate
mint spire
charge rate
Charge? Really? Would have that Be more importent
Either Way good to know
azure narwhal
not really, plus plasma gun hip fire is much better than charging overall
mint spire
Aight
azure narwhal
fun fact, you cannot explode from overheating during hip fire spam as well
you simply vent
ready to fire again
azure narwhal
yup
covert fable
how silly is it to run manstopper + flechette with deadshot
hollow ibex
on DB?
hollow ibex
i just wouldn't use DB if it weren't for WS tbh lol
tropic notch
i just wouldn't use DB if it weren't for WS tbh lol
This
covert fable
i just didnt wanna run scattershot so im trying deadshot atm
combat axe weirdly feels better than dueling sword
covert fable
wat
hollow ibex
scattershot is only if you don't have a source of guaranteed crits
or good crit chance
WS provides a guaranteed crit every 3 melee kills
covert fable
oh
hollow ibex
it's one of the reasons why DB is so damn good with WS
covert fable
i should read more 😭
hollow ibex
get 3 melee kills > switch to DB and you can proc manstopper/flechette
and cleave through an entire horde and inflict bleed on all of them
it's why shit like this works
and at the start of this clip i had stacks saved up
so the moment i pulled out my DB, i already had the benefit of a guaranteed crit on my DB ready to go
so you see the first shot proccing bleed on the entire shotgunner wave
hybrid plover
@sonic kayak why did they have to go up
sonic kayak
no idea
hybrid plover
OTL
sonic kayak
but the Ogryn overextended and idk what was with the Zealot
hybrid plover
the zealot most likely triggered a spawn they really didnt have to right there
covert fable
https://tenor.com/view/activation-neutron-think-brain-monkey-gif-168324103658981...
have u tried combat axe with db + Ws ofc
hollow ibex
have u tried combat axe with db + Ws ofc
yeah it's a classic combo
if you really want to sweat, you can swing once, switch to DB
switch back and swing again
until everything is dead
because each swing, assuming there's enemies, should give you enough kills for a guranteed crit on DB
covert fable
because each swing, assuming there's enemies, should give you enough kills for a...
wtf :_:
hollow ibex
Yeah and every shot will let you proc 6 stacks of bleed on the entire horde 
So you could max out the bleed stacks on a horde wave in seconds
If you have enough fodder to feed your WS stacks
covert fable
thats insane
i never thought db would be that strong
until i discovered manstopper
mortal aspen
it's even funnier to kill snipers with a sawed-off
covert fable
yep
hollow ibex
Turns out letting things bypass cleave mechanics make them quite strong
Now what would happen if we had an entire class based on that 🤔
covert fable
Now what would happen if we had an entire class based on that 🤔
https://tenor.com/view/boomb-cat-boomb-cat-boom-cat-explosion-explosion-gif-gif-17107588862516012936
precisely
this
hybrid plover
crie
sonic kayak
What happened to the Ogryn?
hybrid plover
He got stuck on a ladder, dropped off and immediately got poxbursted
sonic kayak
hybrid plover
Honestly, I can't blame him. That ladder is responsible for so many deaths on my end lmao
That being said
sonic kayak
true
hybrid plover
I kinda know why that twin fight didn't go so well
I should honestly mention from here on out to prioritize range twin
since smokes deactivate them entirely
we were spreading between both of them too much
hybrid plover
I think zealot was trying to go for not-rinda
but that let not rodin put too many mines so i tried to reposition, shield stagged me and i got instantly gunned down outside lmao
that being said
sonic kayak
Yeah same
hybrid plover
the boss damage on this build is surprisingly potent
covert fable
every game today me and my friend have had like 2-3x the dmg than our team mates
covert fable
are u guys on havoc
hybrid plover
yes
covert fable
oh god
sonic kayak
IMO that Ogryn was anemic
hybrid plover
LMAO
sonic kayak
But really wasn't on him, just unfortunate events
hybrid plover
yeah I saw it happen
I was like "another one bites the dust"
that ladder is so annoying
hybrid plover
For real if they had decided to pull back when the beast came through, we would've been just fine
not only that
that zealot
holy shit they were hogging ammo like it was nobody's business
sonic kayak
Either way WP, hit me up if you wanna do some more later
hybrid plover
wp!
sonic kayak
Yeah, they were maining flamer not their melee lol
hybrid plover
you noticed that too, right?
like i never actually noticed them using the thammer
all in all
v.happy with this goofy sniper build honestly
probably my fav h40 build rn
sonic kayak
Cryonic rod
covert fable
i think bush likes cryonic rods
hybrid plover
Vaccuum capsule!
sonic kayak
She vacuum my capsule until I cryonic my rod
hybrid plover
also is the shredder autopistol good?
not on vet, hoenstly
covert fable
hybrid plover
every other class can get more mileage out of it though
sonic kayak
like i never actually noticed them using the thammer
Wasn't paying much attention to them but I noticed them attacking a bulwark and a mutie with it, which was also what I was attacking 
hybrid plover
also i never
at any point thought i'd prefer the mk3 knife over mk6 for anything
at least on vet
sonic kayak
How long will you be? @hybrid plover
covert fable
is out for blood bad?
hybrid plover
probably like an hour or so
covert fable
surely not
hybrid plover
wanna also take a walk
sonic kayak
probably like an hour or so
If we play again I may go Ogryn
sonic kayak
Before I squadded up with you, I did a H40 Sycorax
We worked so well, we finished in like 30 mins
Everyone was on point, even the Ogryn, I was Vet
This Ogryn we got? Ehhhhhhh he could be doing better IMO
hybrid plover
was I on point 
covert fable
hybrid plover
honestly
I don't think that starting area would have been as clean without the smokes
sonic kayak
Shield alone would've done diddly squat
hybrid plover
i have grown to understand just how good smokes actually are
sonic kayak
I mean it did buckle instantly, many times
hybrid plover
plus serrated and agile together turn the knife into a little monster tbh
getting ten bleed stacks on a single crit is no joke
sonic kayak
Next time I'll take Rending Trauma 
hybrid plover
i wonder how it'd fare with exploit weakness
though i'd worry about losing 25 toughness on h40
https://gyazo.com/eee3d91cf04e57830517e2842e62cd89 eh i'm already doing enough damage without i think
sonic kayak
Honestly out of everything? I'm most annoyed by that dog that got me at the end of our first try
BoN is a pain to fight but I had bubble so that trivializes the puke but rampage + the specialist spam is annoying
hybrid plover
yeah and i was still getting good angles to take down the beasts with knife
i just kept getting corrupted because of the god damn blight
sonic kayak
You were pretty much soloing
I tried to make sure you had a bubble to help with toughness regen and anti-puke
hybrid plover
seriously, the blight was honestly the main thing that fucked me over with those two beasts
alas
sonic kayak
https://tenor.com/view/flushed-emoji-gif-23088129
You were on point too 
true 
But again, WP
Next time we conquer the Torrent
sonic kayak
Good my son
covert fable
i need to make a macro for this
sonic kayak
Now you are truly playing Darktide
jagged slate
The hot-shot lasgun would be a perfect fit for the Vet's arsenal
hybrid plover
it is, my favorite ranged weapon rn
jagged slate
I'm talking the backpack charged one the one that the scab gunners have
jagged slate
Yeah
It would be perfect for holding a position and suppressing fire give it a charge up and then it can let loose until it runs out of that charge kinda like how the heat meter works on the relic sword for Zealot
but it'll need a longer charge or a blessing that cools it with each elite/specialist kill or multi-kill
Just spitballing here
austere mica
Hotshot is a bit of a design problem because it’s outright stronger than all available las weaponry, but also has more ammo because of the backpack
So designing it in a way that doesn’t make stuff like inflas (which already kinda sucks) or recon feel worse with no trade off would be difficult
Also the classic issue of how they would do the backpack when backpack cosmetics already exist
primal zealot
just let them clip into each other lol
or let us suffer reloading the boxes with belts in em
bigger issue is how to make it stand out from the recon
hybrid plover
way more base damage
but give it the caveat that it's, ya know
braced
not as accurate
tall torrent
So designing it in a way that doesn’t make stuff like inflas (which already kind...
it's not difficult
barrel heatup mechanic (with no reload) = worse sustained firepower than recon
reduce move speed with massive firing move speed penalty
probably different firing mode even? full auto in hipfire but single fire in ADS
it should have like plasma tier mobility
2 dodges
-0.2m/s sprint bonus
super low dodge distance
hollow ibex
that kinda sounds like what brauto is supposed to be lol
jagged slate
It would be really cool to have though it can work
jagged slate
it's not difficult
barrel heatup mechanic (with no reload) = worse sustained fir...
This right here is a great example of how it can/could work
I agree
tall torrent
surely it'll be something interesting
Yea it was revealed to me in a dream that we’re getting hellgun, hotshot laspistol, plasma pistol and breacher power axe
primal zealot
perhaps some sort of grenade launcher ?
tall torrent
perhaps some sort of grenade launcher ?
No
tropic notch
I remember path saying “you don’t understand it’s hard not to love money as a Chinese person”
Was funny
narrow widget
hybrid plover
I remember path saying “you don’t understand it’s hard not to love money as a Ch...
Just correct this to "It's hard not to love money" honestly
heavy rover
Yea it was revealed to me in a dream that we’re getting hellgun, hotshot laspist...
what about full scion drip? Or Vitrian dragoon drip?
hybrid plover
I am aware of the statement and its truth
tall torrent
what about full scion drip? Or Vitrian dragoon drip?
dunno
heavy rover
would a bedtime story help? Or a warm cup of milk?
tall torrent
would a bedtime story help? Or a warm cup of milk?
unreal forge
vet weapon coming this year
-0.25s off stamina regen is the only reason I survive this
hollow ibex
nice crabwalk
i hate how fucked vet's stam econ is unless you spend an entire talent point on it
unreal forge
it shall be reworked and made basekit inshallah
hollow ibex
and even when you do... it's still the worst stam econ in the game
hollow ibex
it shall be reworked and made basekit inshallah
unreal forge
it's good enough for the class that sits in the backline sniping elites and specialists
hollow ibex
a lot of vet builds aren't just sniping tho
unreal forge
then they ought to not be playing Vet
narrow widget
it's good enough for the class that sits in the backline sniping elites and spec...
FIIIIIIIIGHT OR ANSWER TO ME
hybrid plover
one of vet's best builds revolve around a double barreled shotgun
what do you mean by this
unreal forge
for Aurics I'm sure
hybrid plover
for Aurics I'm sure
no for Havoc
unreal forge
uh huh
covert fable
mini ogryn
unreal forge
sure thing
unreal forge
no dude I totally believe you
hybrid plover
i mean it's not a lie
hybrid plover
power sword, combat axe, dueling sword, even shovel works with skullcrusher but you're probably not going to be the most consistent with bosses
but my point is that veteran doesn't solely revolve around being a specialist sniper
or being a sniper generally. still want to priortize specs as much as you can
tall torrent
what would you pair with the db?
power sword, DS, knife for havoc
covert fable
shovel would just be a deathsentence with a db
tall torrent
I might make a tier list of weapons and sort tiers based on game's difficulty
hybrid plover
shovel would just be a deathsentence with a db
it's really not as bad as it sounds
covert fable
it's really not as bad as it sounds
well the db isnt the best on bosses and i cant imagine the shovel is ;-;
tall torrent
well the db isnt the best on bosses and i cant imagine the shovel is ;-;
that's the part where an ogryn comes in and whoops a boss in <5s
tall torrent
but yes shovel not good
hybrid plover
it's kind of a specialized build for crowd control p much
covert fable
i bullied so many demonhosts earlier
hybrid plover
but yeah it can do some damage to bosses but it's not the most consistent
not the shovel
i mean the db
covert fable
maybe shovel and a bolter
hybrid plover
shovel and bolter is v.good
covert fable
ya good balance of CC and boss
tall torrent
but yeah it *can* do some damage to bosses but it's not the most consistent
nah DB vs boss is kinda trolling
u do <4k on a crit braced headshot
DB is good at 1 and 1 thing only
hybrid plover
that's what i mean by "it can"
not that it's actually good at it
at least baseline. you can beef it up but, relying on that especially in havoc isn't the most ideal
hybrid plover
also
funny thing i run into
"Master the Shock Maul"
"Shock Maul is A tier"
now this is a gaslighting video right here
covert fable
i love it
i hate that it sucks on bosses
im using power sword and db rn and its rlly nice
hybrid plover
the only time i could ever consider shock maul as an "a tier weapon" is with arby
and that's only because arby basically cheats skullcrusher
tall torrent
"Shock Maul is A tier"
would call it better than shovel tbh
tall torrent
unlike shovel it actually staggers things at baseline
hybrid plover
like, maybe better, but is it really better enough in any sense to be called "a tier"
compared to everything else
because that's a hell of a bold statement
tall torrent
I think it's a B-/C+ tier melee
hybrid plover
yeah like, B- at most. it's middle of the ground
primal zealot
shovel is s tier idk what ur talking about
w8 r u a vet shovel gremlin or ogryn shovel gremlin
hybrid plover
w8 r u a vet shovel gremlin or ogryn shovel gremlin
vet shovel gremlin
primal zealot
ew
covert fable
are you a kangaroo
tall torrent
I think I'm gonna have 4 tiers
primal zealot
no im a boge
hybrid plover
vet is the best melee weapon in the game
covert fable
no im a boge
what is that
hybrid plover
i am not gaslighting you
primal zealot
a bunny with the face of a doge
primal zealot
covert fable
what are the tier names
tall torrent
havoc
auric
≤damnation
gaslighting
hybrid plover
okay real talk, shovel is just a weapon i just tend to, do well with for some reason
covert fable
change damnation for something funny idk
hybrid plover
even if i know by the numbers it's not the best
primal zealot
tarnation
hybrid plover
i couldn't tell u
and i do like it solely for aesthetic points
but i have been gravitating towards knife more lately
primal zealot
folding or regular ?
tall torrent
but i have been gravitating towards knife more lately
barrel thyself
hybrid plover
folding or regular ?
regular
i've tried folding but i just cannot get around how long it takes to do a folding heavy
and being able to stagger crushers out of an overhead is funny
primal zealot
man i should play vet more
hybrid plover
barrel thyself
it's okay, i already got barreled on an h40 yesterday
was very funny
primal zealot
i got arby to the same lvl as my vet in like 2 weeks n ive had vet for over a year
covert fable
man i should play vet more
its the most fun
primal zealot
probably but keep goin bro
covert fable
for me anyway
primal zealot
a good vet is a fuckin treasure
hybrid plover
but if a class is just too brainless to play, it actually affects how well i can do with it
covert fable
a good vet is a fuckin treasure
yep
we had a plasma + dueling sword vet earlier
chefs kiss
he was putting in the WORK
hybrid plover
@sonic kayak can tell u
primal zealot
in general many teams are happy to have an ammo generator that gives toughness on occasion
hybrid plover
we were h40ing earlier
hybrid plover
in general many teams are happy to have an ammo generator that gives toughness o...
funny because i wasn't running survivalist
the build i've been using runs close and kill lol
primal zealot
we had a plasma + dueling sword vet earlier
someone who plays that well is a menace to society
tall torrent
mk3 knife is the best weapon in the entire game
at least u could have picked the good knife
covert fable
someone who plays that well is a menace to society
yeah
hybrid plover
at least u could have picked the good knife
DUDE I DONT GET IT
primal zealot
man i had this stupid onslaught recon build
hybrid plover
i was trying the mk6 with what i was running today
and it just does not hit the same
primal zealot
probably wouldnt work in 40s but anything under it nukes shit so fast ppl r like what happened
tall torrent
ik crazy concept
primal zealot
wtf is a combo
hybrid plover
ik crazy concept
i don't just light spam with it
tall torrent
VI beats III in every single metric
tall torrent
u shouldn't even need to special + light on mk3?
hybrid plover
u shouldn't even need to special + light on mk3?
it's how i get the damage that i do on bosses
tall torrent
nah mk3 second highest dps combo is H2 + L3
u don't need to special punch ever
highest is push atk spam
which mk6 does better by ~10% in practice
if u macro it's more like 17% better
hybrid plover
it's not that i spam the special light. it's that i use that as a lead in to other moves
unreal forge
every class is brainless
all I do on vet is stay behind the team and shoot at highlighted targets and I do as much damage as an Arbitrator
hybrid plover
i.e
unreal forge
psyker just holds M1 with his staff or smite
tall torrent
it's not that i spam the special light. it's that i use that as a lead in to oth...
H2 + L3 is already super easy to access
unreal forge
and does 800 thousand more damage than the 2nd best
hybrid plover
H2 + L3 is already super easy to access
it starts it off quicker though
tall torrent
it starts it off quicker though
H1 + (H2 + L3)
unreal forge
zealot AFKs with a relic in hand and hopes their teammates play the game for them
tall torrent
doing H1 into H2 is definitely faster than doing SP + L into H2
hybrid plover
the light after the special is basically a faster heavy 1
like i know you're trying to go by pure numerical knowledge here but this is solely a "it just works for me" thing
and @sonic kayak has actually seen it work lmao
tall torrent
besides H1 into H2 is not fastest either
push atk spam (highest dps) already chains into H2
there's no reason to ever use special on mk3 knife for single target outside of "style points"
hybrid plover
me trying to fiddle with the mk6 just cannot get the results i want it to unless i push spam and i wouldn't want to resort to push spam in a h40 where taking a hit with low stamina could be the end of the world
covert fable
the bots in this game have to be the most useless thing ever
hybrid plover
there's no reason to ever use special on mk3 knife for single target outside of ...
i have a reason
primal zealot
i wish i could use my alts as bots
tall torrent
i have a reason
self gaslighting
unreal forge
mk3 knife is the best weapon in the entire game
high risk weapon
I'm a big fan
no reach and no horde clear
covert fable
we got close to duoing a mission SOMEHOW TWICE and on one of them the boss shoots a pox and then this bot cant get a dog off me when its like 0.1m away
hybrid plover
self gaslighting
i've gotten the results i needed to say this is not gaslighting
it ain't for everyone, but it is for me :)
tall torrent
i've gotten the results i needed to say this is not gaslighting
it ain't for ev...
I can understand
the only reason I'd pick mk3 knife is for H2 + L3
slightly better than mk6 if no stam for push atk spam
hybrid plover
H2 + L3 is very good chain
i do use it. but i use the punch light as an opener to get into it. i know it sounds weird
but it just
works
tall torrent
pretty sure push atk + H2 is still faster than SP + L + H2
hybrid plover
using the regular heavy, it has to go through that pull back in the animation
tall torrent
I can get behind the autistic need to do extra button presses tho
hybrid plover
and on top of that, i actually use flesh tearer with serrated so if the punch actually crits, which i have a lot of innate crit on the build i use it for, that immediately starts that enemy at 10 bleed stacks
tall torrent
the punch cannot use flesh tearer
like, straight up, it won't apply bleed when it crit
hybrid plover
the punch cannot use flesh tearer
oh woops the punch doesn't use flesh tearer but it does use serrated
apologies
tall torrent
oh woops the punch doesn't use flesh tearer but it does use serrated
serrated blade in 2025 is diabolical
I think I'd actually rather use skirmisher over it
junior grail
I wouldn't mind a 3rd knife variant that has lights like the ogryn mk4 cleaver but with mk6 heavy sweeps
tall torrent
I think they're keeping human knife more single target related
dunno when they're releasing the variants left for a bunch of weapons
hybrid plover
serrated blade in 2025 is diabolical
we can agree to disagree on this one
tall torrent
plasma, boltgun, power sword, autopistol, etc
tall torrent
nah they already coded a bunch of diff plasma gun dmg profiles
current plasma gun uses only 1
they coded like 4
who knows
junior grail
Ooooh where'd you find that out?
hybrid plover
it's just a matter of when they will actually utilize those damage profiles
hollow ibex
Ooooh where'd you find that out?
hacking
tall torrent
aussiemon
github
just search aussiemon darktide source code
but do be aware that this is in fact a fatshark game
hybrid plover
lmao
junior grail
Yea the hint of melta and longlas
hybrid plover
it's not going to be easy to find the exact piece of information that you're looking for
but it is there
junior grail
Since the beginning and still nowhere to be seen hahaha
So just to confirm, there IS a 3rd knife variant?
tall torrent
So just to confirm, there *IS* a 3rd knife variant?
not in the publicly available source code
but
I've seen the UI icon of a 3rd power sword
so that's real
hybrid plover
it would surprise me if they were gonna put a third knife honestly
tall torrent
and plasma gun having extra dmg profiles unused, are meant for the other plasma gun variants that are not released
not everything unreleased is in that code
hybrid plover
i feel like the two current marks we have differentiate from each other enough for the purposes that the knife are intended to serve
mk3 = more single target focused but does have potential for horde clearer when built for it
mk6 = good hybrid between horde clear and single target baseline
junior grail
I await the day we get dual melee again (non shield)
tall torrent
mk3 = simple, has better no-stam single target dps
mk6 = better in literally everything
junior grail
Wanna go Bardin Slayer
junior grail
mk3 = more single target focused but does have potential for horde clearer when ...
How do you build mk3 for horde clear?
hybrid plover
bweed
tall torrent
How do you build mk3 for horde clear?
lacerate, copium and gaslighter
it is notably fast when u fight a few guys at once then move onto next few guys
it is not fast vs dense horde
hybrid plover
just do not expect it to manage a dense horde
yeah
you gotta be repositioning yourself and giving yourself space at all times
tall torrent
also I checked BM vs sunder on power sword VI in horde clear
actually not that different in ultradense horde
junior grail
So the usual Bleed and Uncanny?
hybrid plover
So the usual Bleed and Uncanny?
p.much
tall torrent
sunder PSVI is maybe 1s slower than BM vs ultradense horde
hybrid plover
way i use it to clear hordes is that i have both flesh tearer and serrated, and since i use a hot shot helbore with it, the extra cleave helps since it circumvents the knife's lackluster cleave distribution
not an easy build to use though but it's fun
unreal forge
how much cleave is hotshot?
hybrid plover
how much cleave is hotshot?
it's weird
unreal forge
I recall the level 1 is the best one
hybrid plover
yes
unreal forge
but I don't know what the numbers really are
tall torrent
how much cleave is hotshot?
at best x5
hybrid plover
because what hot shot actually does is that it basically multiplies the enemy hitmass by a decimal value
unreal forge
like, Arby gets some 2.25x cleave at best no?
hybrid plover
which in turn, significantly increases your cleave
it's also why hot shot 1 is better
hot shot 1 mutiplies it by 0.2
tall torrent
real shit?
it works best for attacks that can hit multiple weakspots
hybrid plover
hot shot 4 mutiplies it by 0.5
tall torrent
real shit?
unreal forge
that's hilarious
hybrid plover
it works best for attacks that can hit multiple weakspots
yeah it has to hit the weakspot to get the benefit
so wide horizontal swings benefit a lot from hot shot
it's honestly great for mk3 from my experience because the L2 is a pretty wide swing and it comes out pretty fast from push attack
actually @tall torrent if you know
i know brutal momentum allows the hit mass of three enemies to be ignored after a weak spot kill. do you know how hot shot affects cleave after that third enemy?
tall torrent
actually <@366562874039992331> if you know
i know brutal momentum allows the hi...
BM doesn’t do that
BM checks each enemy individually and works up to 3 times
Hotshot doesn’t do any of that
It just does x? multiplier to mass if weakspot
hybrid plover
I'm aware hot shot doesn't work that way. I just wonder what happens after the enemy that brutal momentum basically stops working for
like how the two interact basically
tall torrent
They don’t
hybrid plover
or, maybe interact isn't the way to word it
How does Hot Shot affect the hit mass, after Brutal Momentum's cap is reached.
Is probably the best way I can put the question
hybrid plover
I feel like I'm not asking this question properly but it's a hard question to word
So you know how when you attack through a horde, that attack has a sort of, hit mass budget. And with every enemy you hit, that budget gets depleted
I'm more asking how the budget is affected after brutal momentum has hit the cap since, brutal momentum basically lets you cleave through enemies without depleting that value to a certain cap. But now that I'm wording this, I think I kind of answered the question I was asking anyway
unreal forge
considering brumento ignores the hitmass, then I imagine it doesn't eat at the budget at all
blissful stump
how do yall feel about the chainsword btw?
unreal forge
unless the game is calculated weird and it eats at the budget despite ignoring it, and then keeps going from that
hollow ibex
how do yall feel about the chainsword btw?
ok on arbi, pretty shit elsewhere
unreal forge
which I wouldn't doubt it
hybrid plover
unless the game is calculated weird and it eats at the budget despite ignoring i...
SEE THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING
blissful stump
huh,
hybrid plover
THANK YOU
unreal forge
zealot with martyrdom and fury of the faithful can make any weapon good
blissful stump
currently shopping for melee options and knife and power sword aint it
hollow ibex
currently shopping for melee options and knife and power sword aint it
psword is THE meta vet melee
knife is good too
unreal forge
currently shopping for melee options and knife and power sword aint it
what do you want out of your melee?
anti armor? stagger safety? horde clear?
blissful stump
horde clear
unreal forge
pretty sure heavy sword is a good option for that
blissful stump
and decent boss dmg
hollow ibex
power sword, rashad, heavy sword (if you have something that can fight crushers)
unreal forge
and decent boss dmg
nah
hollow ibex
and decent boss dmg
power sword and rashad then
hybrid plover
chainsword is not your pick for boss dmg
covert fable
i have sold the easiest win https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kV4HUojVG95uzofKi?invite=cr-MSx1dFIsMzA4NjQyMjU5&v=7
hybrid plover
on Vet you should rly use your gun for bosses desu
mk3 knife go brrr
unreal forge
unless it's psword
hollow ibex
rashad does good boss damage too
unreal forge
i have sold the easiest win https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clip...
embarrassing
void dragon
Push attack to the boss face does damage
covert fable
embarrassing
Yup
blissful stump
whats rashad?
hybrid plover
i have sold the easiest win https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clip...
that is unfortunate
covert fable
Whats the hitbox like for the crusher overhead
hollow ibex
whats rashad?
rashad combat axe
void dragon
whats rashad?
Combat axe, best mk
blissful stump
not the tac axe?
covert fable
that is unfortunate
We were like almost at the end of the mission too
void dragon
Imo Taxe > Caxe
covert fable
Imo Taxe > Caxe
No way
hybrid plover
dont use the dueling sword
covert fable
Combat axe is nuts
hybrid plover
it's the worst weapon in the game
hollow ibex
though i'd say taxe is harder to use than rashad
unreal forge
I can't tell the difference between the taxes, they all seem the same to me
tall torrent
So you know how when you attack through a horde, that attack has a sort of, hit ...
if every enemy hit is hit in weakspot and killed
let's say it's all the same enemy and it has 4 mass, and the attack has 10 cleave
first enemy (1st target dmg, BM works once, consumes 0 cleave)
second enemy (1st target dmg, BM works twice, consumes 0 cleave)
third enemy (1st target dmg, BM works thrice, consumes 0 cleave)
fourth enemy (1st target dmg, consumes 4 mass x0.2 = 0.8 from cleave, 9.2 cleave remaining)
fifth enemy (2nd target dmg, consumes 4 mass x0.2 = 0.8 from cleave, 8.4 cleave remaining)
sixth enemy (3rd target dmg, consumes 4 mass x0.2 = 0.8 from cleave, 7.6 cleave remaining)
...
this goes on and on until
twelveth enemy (default cleave distributed dmg, consumes 4 mass x0.2 = 0.8 from cleave, 0.4 cleave remaining)
then, thirteenth enemy (default cleave distributed dmg, remaining cleave of 0.4 < its mass of 4x0.2 = 0.8, therefore cleave stops)
unreal forge
I'd win
atomic void
I can't tell the difference between the taxes, they all seem the same to me
le moveset
hybrid plover
if every enemy hit is hit in weakspot and killed
let's say it's all the same ene...
okay this answers my question quite nicely
atomic void
7 feels the most natural to use (original opinion)
hybrid plover
ty
unreal forge
le moveset
I think the special attacks also differ in speed and that's it
the middle one from the marks is the fastest
celest nest
What's the dump stat on Force Swords?
hollow ibex
i have sold the easiest win https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clip...
proof that duelling sword sucks!
unreal forge
from my testing in the Psykhanium it has the fastest TTK on single targets
hollow ibex
cleave target
hybrid plover
proof that duelling sword sucks!
worst weapon in the game by far
don't even bother with it
covert fable
This game hates me
celest nest
cleave target
Ah okay, sweet. Thanks.
hybrid plover
literal ass
tall torrent
i have sold the easiest win https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clip...
should have hit weakspot
hybrid plover
7 feels the most natural to use (original opinion)
mk4 bettur
tall torrent
Sorry, Power Swords.
cleave targets
covert fable
should have hit weakspot
My friend got stuck on the thing and my dumbass idk why I went infor another
It should have killed it 😀
tall torrent
wat region are u in
unreal forge
mk4 bettur
TRUE
try them out in the Psykhanium and just spam special attack
Mk4 has the fastest by far
covert fable
wat region are u in
Me?
unreal forge
also does more damage than light attacks
tall torrent
ya
covert fable
Eu
blissful stump
oki mind the delay i got sidetracked but whats the diff between combat and tactical axe?
hybrid plover
try them out in the Psykhanium and just spam special attack
special + heavy
tall torrent
oki mind the delay i got sidetracked but whats the diff between combat and tacti...
combat axe better
tac axe faster
hybrid plover
you will not be disappointed
unreal forge
special + heavy
I like that too
hollow ibex
the IV has a really satisfying heavy chain
unreal forge
oki mind the delay i got sidetracked but whats the diff between combat and tacti...
tac axe has bad armor damage and shorter reach but faster movement, faster swings and has higher critical chance by default
combat axe has great armor damage, slower swings and hits way harder
hollow ibex
caxe on vet requires heavy melee investemnt in your talent tree
matters less for taxe
unreal forge
caxe on vet requires heavy melee investemnt in your talent tree
how
blissful stump
i have like no melee investment lmao
covert fable
Because u need to get trench fighter drill
unreal forge
how
covert fable
And that's all the way down
Wdym how
https://tenor.com/view/boomb-cat-boomb-cat-boom-cat-explosion-explosion-gif-gif-17107588862516012936
blissful stump
i assume thats meant for me?
tame lodge
oki mind the delay i got sidetracked but whats the diff between combat and tacti...
Combat Axe good
Tactical Axe shit
hybrid plover
Combat Axe good
Tactical Axe shit
this is propaganda
do not listen to these lies and slander
blissful stump
rq which mark for combat axe?
covert fable
Rashad
hybrid plover
rq which mark for combat axe?
rashad
blissful stump
throwing together a mok build rq
tame lodge
Rashad so mk3
hybrid plover
i have like no melee investment lmao
you should
at least in most builds
if not trench, at least reciprocity and desperado imho
blissful stump
precision and killzone is my melee buffs
blissful stump
wait
hybrid plover
the node that gives you 15% close
blissful stump
thats ranged only mind me
covert fable
Nah you need need trench fighter drill for the combat axe 😭
blissful stump
ok rq am running a grenadier bolt pistol build
hollow ibex
killzone is ranged buffs isn't it
tall torrent
no killzone works for melee
no
blissful stump
"+15% ranged damage when you have avoided melee attacks for 8 sec"
hybrid plover
OH
IM STUPID
i was thinking the other node next to reciprocity since that one does actually affect melee
blissful stump
i feel like my builds about to get roasted lmao
hybrid plover
show it
blissful stump
throwing it together rn
covert fable
i feel like my builds about to get roasted lmao
That's how it is sometimes
hollow ibex
i feel like my builds about to get roasted lmao
it's very easy to fuck up a vet build
hybrid plover
it is
hollow ibex
not like arbi where you can pick random talents and end up with something half decent
hybrid plover
this is why we are in the veteran-chat of the darktide discord channel ran by fatshark studio
so that we can roast a bad build and say "hey this is how you can make this better"
seriously tho, dont feel bad. it is annoyingly easy to make a chalked build on vet
tame lodge
i feel like my builds about to get roasted lmao
covert fable
How is this for combat axe and bolter?
blissful stump
look im hoping to take this to high havoc : https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fa93cf8-3eca-4c30-afff-315b09ba852e/the-bullshit-2
am wanting to do mainly grenadier with specialist picking off with bolt pistol
tall torrent
look im hoping to take this to high havoc : https://darktide.gameslantern.com/bu...
this is unironically better than most people's
with that said
hybrid plover
look im hoping to take this to high havoc : https://darktide.gameslantern.com/bu...
honestly, this is not actually bad at all
blissful stump
:3
tall torrent
still room for improvements
blissful stump
do tell
blissful stump
im feeling melee is the weakest link rn
hybrid plover
power sword honestly
blissful stump
step 1 pick up a power sword
ok so, imma be real i dont really like the power sword
hollow ibex
im feeling melee is the weakest link rn
yeah because you haven't invested in it 😭
hybrid plover
you just aren't investing enough into melee to make use of combat axe unfortunately
tall torrent
ok so, imma be real i dont really like the power sword
that's fair
u could run duelling sword
also
tbh I don't think u need grenadier
hollow ibex
How is this for combat axe and bolter?
works though you could prob drop the top middle nodes to take more ammo + sup complex, or redirect fire and the left hand FT subnode
tall torrent
it's better to have good mixed horde clear weapons in the first place
hybrid plover
yeah like, having the extra nade is nice
blissful stump
ok so dueling sword is like actually the worst thing here
hybrid plover
BUT
tall torrent
that u don't rely on nades for horde
blissful stump
i dont always have a gernade for hordes
tall torrent
ok so dueling sword is like actually the worst thing here
power sword / duelling sword
pick one
blissful stump
fine... ill pick the power sword
hybrid plover
with demo team, and choosing to actually throw your grenades at elites and specialists, you will most likely get your nades back very quickly
tall torrent
definitely drop killzone lol
hybrid plover
to the point where the extra nade is unnecessary
tall torrent
also boltpistol perks prob need changes
I personally think boltpistol is a lot better with WS but up to u
blissful stump
with demo team, and choosing to actually throw your grenades at elites and speci...
honestly, thats what iv been doing and maybe its just bad rng but i dont feel like its consistant enough to swap off grenadier
blissful stump
I personally think boltpistol is a lot better with WS but up to u
ws is?
hybrid plover
honestly, thats what iv been doing and maybe its just bad rng but i dont feel li...
question
blissful stump
answer
hybrid plover
what havoc rank are we talking
because a grenadier build like this will get way more mileage in high havoc
tall torrent
ws is?
weapon specialist (right side keystone)
boltpistol can actually push 1 tap headshot on gunners and flamers in havoc
hollow ibex
bistol without WS is kinda sad
covert fable
bistol without WS is kinda sad
It's not good with focus target?
blissful stump
what havoc rank are we talking
ideally 40 but currently running through a bunch of auric malestroms
hybrid plover
ideally 40 but currently running through a bunch of auric malestroms
demo team will definitely proc a lot in 40
hollow ibex
It's not good with focus target?
that would be fine too if you rely on the tags, idk about havoc tho
just auric
blissful stump
demo team will definitely proc a lot in 40
ah then maybe ill swap it off once im doing the 40s
hybrid plover
sometimes you'll throw your nades, and get so many elite kills that you're back to full immediately
because it gets so dense
blissful stump
i love to see that
covert fable
You should prob be fine with the combat axe for now
It's bussin
If u don't wanna use the dueling or power sword
blissful stump
so whats the problem with kill zone btw?
hybrid plover
so whats the problem with kill zone btw?
you're talking about a talent that requires you to not be targeted by a melee attack for 8s
not avoiding the attack
being targetted at all
that is not a consistent trigger for a talent at all
tall torrent
look im hoping to take this to high havoc : https://darktide.gameslantern.com/bu...
could do this
tall torrent
you're talking about a talent that requires you to not be targeted by a melee at...
no
it is same condition as CaB
blissful stump
i was about to say
covert fable
you're talking about a talent that requires you to not be targeted by a melee at...
It's still good
blissful stump
covert fable
could do this
Is this for power sword and bolt pistol?
tall torrent
Is this for power sword and bolt pistol?
boltpistol
covert fable
Ah
hybrid plover
i could have sworn it still stops the trigger even when you get targetted
blissful stump
i dont beglieve so?
hybrid plover
unless that's another talent
hybrid plover
WAIT NO IT'S CaB that's like that
tall torrent
WAIT NO IT'S CaB that's like that
both work like that
hollow ibex
i'd only take killzone if i'm pathing through it
tall torrent
killzone just has a longer deactivation period
blissful stump
ok so
covert fable
Lovely
blissful stump
could do this
i get out for blood but is confirmed kill not better here
hybrid plover
i get out for blood but is confirmed kill not better here
you get way more investment out of out for blood
blissful stump
fr??
tall torrent
i get out for blood but is confirmed kill not better here
O4B usually is the go-to for veteran in havoc
blissful stump
ok fair enough
tall torrent
because u actually need to get toughness from ranged mobs
covert fable
How is this for combat axe and bpistol
tall torrent
How is this for combat axe and bpistol
for what
covert fable
Combat axe and bpistol
tall torrent
auric?
covert fable
Yeah sure
tall torrent
for auric this is missing breakpoints
hybrid plover
How is this for combat axe and bpistol
decent for auric but yeah, may have trouble with some breakpoints, but not having that guaranteed crit on havoc hurts it a lot
tall torrent
boltpistol is the worst designed gun in the game
blissful stump
bolt pistol is great thank you very much
tall torrent
u need superiority complex for breakpoints
otherwise 1188/1200 on headshot
very peak designed weapon
covert fable
Amazing
hybrid plover
honestly, even with superiority, you'd probably need surgical without ws
tall torrent
no
tall torrent
surgical not needed
cuz u straight up can't afford
cuz lethal prox + frag is the best way to use this gun
hollow ibex
bistol surgical is so ass
blissful stump
actually just curisity is cara + flak the best for perks?
hybrid plover
actually just curisity is cara + flak the best for perks?
no
tall torrent
boltpistol would be good
if it did 5% more dmg, didn't have jank recoil, reload animation wasn't trolling, had 4 blessing slots, and hipfire was accurate
tall torrent
actually just curisity is cara + flak the best for perks?
in which world
hybrid plover
boltpistol would be good
if it did 5% more dmg, didn't have jank recoil, reload ...
the reload animation is a crime against nature
blissful stump
ok so mind me being stupid but what is the best perks for bolt?
hybrid plover
maniac unarmoured
tall torrent
unarmored + maniac
blissful stump
unarmored?
hybrid plover
yes
blissful stump
i feel like im missing something obvious now or am being gaslit
hybrid plover
it does enough damage against flak enemies to not need it in practicality
tall torrent
unarmored?
do u want to kill this guy in 1 shot
hybrid plover
but unarmored is different