veteran-class

[atomic void]

the game director also said recently they dont want marines in the game at all

[ember nest]

You didn't even post the ONE nurgle drone that would even QUALIFY as a scout drone

You posted

A PLAGUE drone

[atomic void]

people are just copying that lore theory video

highly doubt its true

[ember nest]

Not even a BLIGHT drone

[barren cave]

excellent, I couldnt approve more

[ember nest]

Because you can't even be assed to google things yourself, raiva

[unreal forge]

I'm sure what a retired CM said 3 years ago still entirely rings true much like Fatshark's promise of a class every 3 months

[ember nest]

Its so obvious when people are just snatching their opinions from jo videos

[barren cave]

why doubt, we have proof they said no sm , what makes you think otherwise

[atomic void]

correct me if im wrong but isnt jo not even that knowledgeable around 40k lore and only really interested in stuff surrounding darktide

[ember nest]

She's doing the dk diamantes "learn as you go" method rn

[unreal forge]

We also have proof that there will be a weapon customization system

[ember nest]

She has some good theories but the other ones are cracked out her ass

[barren cave]

great, im down

[unreal forge]

hint: not happening because FS doesn't stick to their word

rarely do they ever

[barren cave]

so , you think there will be space marines in the game, because FS said no space marines, but they dont stick to their word??

[past stratus]

if you have been around 40k lore long enough you'd know that a complete noob has the same chance of being right on a theory as a 30 year expert

[ember nest]

Not happening
So like how we were told it wasn't happening before

[atomic void]

fighting a plague marine that's op as shit and giving bro a proper boss fight would be cool but i doubt they're doing it

[ember nest]

Isnt that the source of the "this isnt cod" quote

[unreal forge]

actually because a new development in-game from 1 month ago holds more ground than a retired CM statement on the forums from 3 years ago

[barren cave]

i mean

catfish also said so

on the forums

[ember nest]

Raiva vs basic logic who you got money on

[barren cave]

theyve repeatedly said no, i am simply asking what makes you think otherwise, is it just fs said no but are going to do the opposite ?

[atomic void]

director was interviewed recently, unless im remembering he didnt say they have any plans for space marines in any capacity

[calm shard]

stellar quote tbh

[unreal forge]

I still fail to see any arguments against a literal in-game cutscene mentioning Terminators

[atomic void]

the game also mentioned eldari

ELDARI FACTION???????????

[calm shard]

tbh

[ember nest]

Because it mentions a shitload of shit and a shitload of shit constantly gets mentioned in darktide

Because its 40k

[trim badger]

Engineer TF2
Engineer DRG

[barren cave]

i mean, they can give me a full blown conversation with terminators for all I care, as long as they arent playable or an antagonist

[unreal forge]

was it in a mission centered around a classified message so important Rannick wouldn't even tell Morrow

[past stratus]

this here is a very relevant argument

[calm shard]

It might be teasing at an Aeldari player class

Stranger things have happened in Inquisitorial business

[ember nest]

Grendyl has apparently worked with eldar in the past too

[calm shard]

Or an NPC

Or something

[atomic void]

it was in the ship brahm's mortis trials backstory

[past stratus]

things being mentioned in game does not mean they will turn out to be anything

[atomic void]

heavily alluding to possible eldari involvement

[ember nest]

Theres also a vox thingy

Where one of the wyrmwood agents just says "no eldar swoop ships to save us this time"

I doubt that means we're getting eldar but its still neat to hear

[unreal forge]

rogue traders and inquisition can do whatever they want so I don't see that as impossible

maybe in 8 years

[calm shard]

Yeah

[unreal forge]

I wonder if this game will get support for as long as Vermintide 2 did

[trim badger]

40k Kerillian <3

[calm shard]

People also speculated next DLC class might be a Kroot off the placeholder name it has in the code

Can't remember what it was it was like "broker" or something

[atomic void]

tbh all of this doesnt matter
i value cool factor and i hope they do cool shit

if they add a proper plague marine boss that's similar to fighting twins

hell yeah

i dont care about power scaling

if they dont no biggie

just do something cool

[unreal forge]

shout out to Space Marines 2 for having shitty little chaos cultists with lasguns doing as much damage to Ultramarines as full-sized Bolters do

[ember nest]

I dont care abt power scaling but its genuinely refreshing to have a setting in 40k that doesn't involve them at all.

[atomic void]

lmao these snipers are fkn nasty man

they're so tiny and always faraway

[unreal forge]

not even the snipers, those guys are mean in Absolute just from the infantry lasgun fire

[past stratus]

guys hear me out, it might be that Fatshark, the video game company, is teasing something they know the players will find interesting to attract attention and create anticipation/speculation.

[atomic void]

those get wiped cause they're close and the gun's fat hitboxes wipe them

[unreal forge]

that would imply they know anything about player retention or pleasing the playerbase

[atomic void]

i hate the snipers tho

[barren cave]

they should just do an admech themed class, its gonna sell like hot cakes and fits nicely into the game

no reason not to tbh

[ember nest]

Gameplay wise no

But they deffo like building the mystery

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-gif-766857345458198993

[ember nest]

Hence all the vox message videos

[barren cave]

ah yes

aeldari player class

that would be

WILD

[calm shard]

Yeah

[atomic void]

i'd say new ogryn and arbites are exactly that tho

[barren cave]

its still more likely than space marines at this point

[calm shard]

We have Zealots and Guardsmen that are just like people

[atomic void]

funny strong classes anyone can feel strong with

[calm shard]

Fighting alongside Psykers and Ogryns

[barren cave]

well

[past stratus]

After Kruba became a God's Champion, nothing else surprises me or is off the table. Just give fatshark enough time

[barren cave]

like an aeldari what though, they do be having quite a thicc army

[mortal aspen]

primaris as a new class

[calm shard]

Probably a Ranger. They're usually the type to end up in whack ass scenarios

[barren cave]

true

their sniper rifles are like

half the size of the rooms in hab dreyko

[mortal aspen]

gangster with dual weapons and xenotech

[calm shard]

Though I think the main pain point against an Eldar being added to the game is a silly one

[barren cave]

i am inclined towards there being some criminal themed class or an admech one personally, but I dunno, im good for anything as long as its not more marines

[calm shard]

Kerrilian's VA already voices an Arbites

I feel like they would have saved her for the space elf if they were going to add one as a player

[barren cave]

maybe they havent decided next class?

[ember nest]

We already got VAs pulling multiple roles in this game

[barren cave]

probably have some work in progress options

[ember nest]

Kayex's VA is also Fatalist btw

[calm shard]

Yeah but it's usually shit like Kayex voicing half the traitor captains

[barren cave]

also its funny wolfer and morrow are voiced by the same guy

iirc

[past stratus]

they probably have a couple of classes on the back pocket but they don't need to worry about it since they just released a new one

[calm shard]

Yeah

[barren cave]

yep

[calm shard]

Now they just need to GIVE VETERAN THE JUICE

[ember nest]

God please

[barren cave]

I think the director said that they had 3 options and went with arbites as one of them

so they probably did brainstorm 3 acceptable classes

afaik

[ember nest]

Ye they grabbed them first because of pet class thirst

(Also convenient timing with kill team and RT)

Triple win

[calm shard]

Yeah

[barren cave]

I am satisfied with arbites dlc, I think stuff needs some fine tuning, but on the whole, dog and character are good

so Im looking forward to MY SKITARII

[calm shard]

Yeah Arbites class is good

It's overpowered, but like comparatively to the rest of the classes it's pretty alright balance wise

[mortal aspen]

too brain dead op for auric tho

[hollow ibex]

compared to ogryn and psyker

[calm shard]

All of the classes have tools that are probably too strong

ESPECIALLY Ogryn/Psyker

[ember nest]

The only class I can see the devs doing literally nothing to (excluding oggy and arbites) is psyker atm

[mortal aspen]

in the main QP activity arby is the dumbest and strongest, imo

[barren cave]

yeah stuff needs to be tweaked but like, im happy skill tree isnt full of bullshit, all the blitzes, auras and keystones are good, all the new weapons are good, shotgun aesthetic and sound design is absolutely goated, arbites voices are cool, dog needs some bugfixing, but it very obviously does work , so yeah, overall good. and need more cosmetics

[mortal aspen]

dog doesn't have any bugs now, no?

[barren cave]

i dunno, i dont notice but people tell me it does

[ember nest]

Arbites is an example for how the vet and zealot trees should be laid out

[barren cave]

and eo is bugged , my point is the concept works

if they fix everything , it works as a class

[calm shard]

Execution Order being broken is dog related

Because it only procs on dog kills

There's also a lot of rarer bugs relating to enemies getting stuck or spazzing out after getting pounced

[mortal aspen]

well dog part is working as intended

so dog isn't buggy

[ember nest]

Mystical Imperial Dog gently pushing a crusher through a solid wall

A vet restructure and the murder and death of stealth vet 🙏

[trim badger]

Hides in shout + 3 dmg CA modifiers with a finesse weapon:

[zenith pumice]

Does anyone have any tips to doing the On Overwatch penance? Like any specific builds or missions that make it “easier?”

[barren cave]

which one is that again

the ammo one?

[zenith pumice]

Complete a full Mission on Malice Threat or higher without taking any melee damage.

[sudden cedar]

Only your Health Damage counts

So use Voice of Command and stack toughness

[normal bay]

Campaign mission malice, It only counts health damage, so use VoC, I found a DS and a double barrel were a good combo for safety in melee range

Kraks to help take out bosses and big threats quickly can be a help too

[zenith pumice]

Ok I’ll have to try these when I play next, thank you 😊

[orchid hemlock]

Dodging is pretty op

[covert fable]

I thought you died orcka

[olive halo]

why every single shovel build on gameslantern the mk1 shovel and helbore 😭

is there a meme I don't know about or something

[surreal rune]

stand against walls and block and push if you need to

it also only counts for health damage so keep shout up

[covert fable]

Probably larping as like a infantry

[olive halo]

it did look like that, with each of them being labelled as krieg

[surreal rune]

it makes it so that no enemy can sneak up behind you while in combat and etc

[olive halo]

is the mk1 shovel preferred over the other two?

cuz it doesn't fold so Im questioning how good it is

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer40k-vraks-siege-of-vraks-death-korps-gif-20931228

It's cause they're "Death Korps" effectively in their loadout

Which their melee weapon is a shovel and ranged weapon is the Helbore

[olive halo]

I see

[halcyon blaze]

It's implied the zealots have at least a small amount of the living saint style luck, not psykers but able to shrug off mortal wounds and survive via aura.

[halcyon blaze]

It has a nice moveset, it's pretty well rounded.

[tall torrent]

Do u need help

[olive halo]

It seemed nice but didn't seem better than the mk3

like, the only difference I noticed was that the special was folding on the mk3 and on the mk1 was a staggering stab

so I was wondering why ppl often choose to run the mk1

[buoyant pewter]

Zealots also can manifest some level of metaphysical will by sheer force of loving the Emperor (Chorus), so weren't 'normal' to that extent in a way too.

Veterans are guardsmen who somehow in the magical meatgrinder managed to survive past becoming someones food paste in conflicts that should have wound them up dead

We are called Rejects though by all accounts were a strange oddity in the imperium at the same time

Actually, thinking on it...we've all killed a lot of Beasts of Nurgle...does this mean were a Rot Fly processing factory?

[zenith pumice]

I might, I am not good at this game lol

[tall torrent]

Send me ur FS friend code

It’s ez dw

[icy gulch]

Help I'm at work and I need to kill things for the emperor

Shoot things

For said emperor

[zenith pumice]

How do I find it?

[tall torrent]

social - find player

click the number sequence it shows

send it here

[zenith pumice]

Ohhh I see ok

7172338282

[tall torrent]

alr give me a sec

[icy gulch]

Char you will be out greatest creation

[tall torrent]

my game black screened

[icy gulch]

You will win all the games

[zenith pumice]

Ok lol

[tall torrent]

I'll rejoin

[zenith pumice]

I got disconnected from the server

[zenith pumice]

Shrexy is a 10/10 name lol

[icy gulch]

It runs in the family

The ogre part

[zenith pumice]

Thank you for your help ☺️

[covert fable]

You should check out baths veteran guide, it's in the pinned messages

It's very helpful

[zenith pumice]

I’ll have to take a look

[covert fable]

Does anyone know the best missions for fast clears

[tall torrent]

excluding orthus and rolling steel?

sycorax 100%, if ur not glitching through map

[covert fable]

Uh just to get to lvl 30 rlly fast

You can glitch through the maps ? 😭

[tall torrent]

some yea

[covert fable]

damn

[midnight wyvern]

whatever the one where you turn off the heretic broadcast on the desert thing

its like 3 whole areas

[sturdy crescent]

Hey guards how are you doing?

https://tenor.com/view/sitting-near-campfire-campfire-stalker-stalker-2-heart-of-chornobyl-gif-10492028299135739104

[covert fable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185210564134322186/1382701331160236202/RDT_20250612_1132142136949301495086640.gif

[tame lodge]

It is so sad that I had to kill Yrliet

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-freaky-smile-sukuna-sukuna-smile-freaky-sukuna-gif-4852549280133734300

Heretical +30

[crimson wyvern]

man if you get good at hellbore you really dominate the specials and disabler kills

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

Casual Helbore W

As always

[covert fable]

its a lot of fun

[crimson wyvern]

Feels a little funny seeing zealot knife build I was in last game with stealth running on ahead, doing all these sick moves and I'm doubling his kills in regards to specials/elites and stuff

just by picking with infinate ammo funny gun

[faint beacon]

I mean it is on plasma tier now but a bit more respectable

Cause it doesn’t have near infinite cleave

[crimson wyvern]

Yes, but I'm never gonna be measuring everything on the scale of the plasma or dueling sword

those are not even in the game to me as far as Im concerned

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/soviet-union-united-states-ww2-allies-ussr-gif-13613982566272211336

[faint beacon]

Still it’s an insane rifle that takes a little bit of practice to get into the pattern of but it’s

In such a better state than it was previously

[crimson wyvern]

also

it looks really cool too

[faint beacon]

Helbore IV is just the “I hate you die” gun

Thus I like it

[covert fable]

is the relic blade just a better power sword?

[crimson wyvern]

Helbore is the quiet kid in class that no one knows anything about but hes secretly the coolest kid in school and also had straight A grades

I wish he'd speak up sometimes.

Everytime I play with my Helbore VS a boss its not until I look at my scoreboard and see I've actually done insane amounts of boss damage but you'd never guess it until you look

[crimson wyvern]

They're both kinda good at mixed hordes which is their only similarity imo. Power Sword is so much lighter than relic blade

[covert fable]

the relic blade feels like it has more cleave

[crimson wyvern]

Relic blade is nuts in general, it just leaves you open to attack, so if you're already on the wild mundys relic blade ride with your combo you cant get off

Power sword feels more like a gun where you load it and fire off your swings then reload

(but thats coming from someone that enjoys blocking in this game, almost everyone else I talk to on here says "I just kill everything so I dont need to block " )

[hollow ibex]

other way around

relic blade doesn't get brutal momentum

relic blade is much more reliant on zealot being a melee powerhouse

[crimson wyvern]

I cant remember if relic gets 3 or 4 dodges, I think its 4 for some god forsaken reason

I think ps gets 5

[hollow ibex]

ps gets 4

idr rb

[crimson wyvern]

idr rb?

[hollow ibex]

but they both get shit dodges

[crimson wyvern]

Relic blade really do feel like sludge to move with

Ps doesnt feel bad at all, almost feels like my trusty devil claw

[faint beacon]

A BON weeps Everytime a veteran brings a Helby IV

1/10 HP obliterated with each click

[crimson wyvern]

There should be a fatshark youtube ASMR vid of a veteran firing fully charged shots into nurgles back blister

[faint beacon]

Chaos Spawn is probably the only boss that doesn’t get dumpstered as easily cause of how they’re flailing around

Plogryn and BON though get chunked hard

[covert fable]

i see

[faint beacon]

I tend to pair the Tac Axe with it though it’s a very enjoyable combo especially for H40

[covert fable]

what the fuck is this

this is like WS kinda

[ember nest]

It leaves you open if you don't heavy lol

You can staggerlock ragers n shit

But ppl keep using the uppercut mark because the single target combo is easier

[mortal aspen]

talent made for single shot weapons that zealot doesn't have

[covert fable]

double barrel?

[mortal aspen]

yeah, maybe that

[covert fable]

thats insane

this whole skill tree looks so op 😭

[mortal aspen]

but with no ammo recovery it's still kekw

[covert fable]

gotta pray there is a vet 😂

[tame lodge]

Emperor's Bullet

💀

[crimson wyvern]

Zealots skill tree never has been "bad"

diverse is the issue lol

only a few builds because of where everything is on it

like no ones not taking the dodge toughness top right

so thats like 4 points burned before you start

[hollow ibex]

i mean if there's effectively 1 build, it's pretty bad lol

[crimson wyvern]

the build it DOES have is good

I guess its less of a skill tree and more of a skill STICK

[hollow ibex]

true

[elder vessel]

bounty hunter type shit

shoot off your magazine of 1 then go crazy

[covert fable]

yup

its only 5 sec so ammo will be gone in a few secs lol

[tall torrent]

What 💀

[covert fable]

its not?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/meh-kinda-kindof-kind-of-gif-5168321

[covert fable]

Compared to vet

[hybrid plover]

Its really not honestly.

[severe gale]

bad

unfortunately

[hybrid plover]

I wouldn't call it overpowered by any means except for maybe Until Death.

[severe gale]

zealot’s gun talents are basically worthless with the sole exception of dance of death

[hybrid plover]

But that's a stretch given Arbites has an ability that straight up gives that shit to you on demand.

[severe gale]

oh and anoint in blood

[covert fable]

Isn't that the invulnerability perk?

[severe gale]

zealots got one strong path, and then dogshit everywhere else

[hybrid plover]

Marty Relic Blade be like

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

[covert fable]

What do the yellow and purple mean

[tame lodge]

Ourple is main path

Yellow is build dependant

[covert fable]

Ahh

[hybrid plover]

You basically have to always adhere to purple for a decent zealot build

Gold is the stuff you have some flexibility with

[severe gale]

yarp

[hybrid plover]

Which is annoying because you can see a major issue with the tree real easy

When a lot of that purple path is just taxes.

[tall torrent]

Zealot’s core kit (their 1 notably good build) is better than most of veteran’s talents
But the overall tree’s offerings are nowhere near veteran’s

[covert fable]

Yeah you get forced into the knives

It looks like

[tame lodge]

Duelist and Enduring Faith are just too good

[mortal aspen]

knives are a tax talent imo

[hybrid plover]

Because what's above the knives is what makes that a must pick.

So you end up always having to go right, then stretch all the god damn way to the left to then get to the bottom where you actually can build something to cater to what you're actually trying to do.

It sucks

Because left talents in the middle, like duelist and until death are just too valuable to pass on

[covert fable]

Yeah those are insane

[hybrid plover]

Zealot builds without duelist is like a pitbull without the teeth.

[tall torrent]

Both need to be obliterated

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

[tall torrent]

Until death should have been martyrdom exclusive

[hybrid plover]

It is for me since I exclusively use Martyrdom these days

It fits the keystone the best anyway.

[tall torrent]

Exactly

Why does the x0.33 TDR build route get to take until death

So funny

[covert fable]

Do you take any wound curio?

1?

[tall torrent]

For martyr u take 2-3

2 if u want +stamina

3 if u don’t

[covert fable]

ah

[severe gale]

that and also no other grenade regen options, and tknives make up for flamer lack of range and bolter’s slow draw time

[covert fable]

I wonder how fast you can get the swing speed with martydom

Would it break the animation of a tac axe 😭

[tall torrent]

20% FotF
10% faithful frenzy
10% emperor’s bullet
24% from 6 stack martyrdom

Blue stim is 15%? I think?

[covert fable]

That's insanee

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately attack speed is not a flat dps bonus

[covert fable]

Does it look funny with the insane attack speed atleastt?

[tame lodge]

It's basically a blur
You barely see your weapon but the enemies keep dying

Pretty funny on Chainsword

[covert fable]

That's all that matterss

[narrow frost]

@tall torrent

I am forgetting, are you still blocking when you push

or am I thinking VT

[covert fable]

I do see the zealots always rushing ahead mostly

[tall torrent]

I think it has some block linger time yes

Usually 0.5s?

But it varies per weapon

[narrow frost]

if so then what happened here

[tall torrent]

Skill checked by round tuna

[narrow frost]

lmao

[narrow frost]

@upbeat rapids

[tame lodge]

Should've dodged

[hybrid plover]

2 and a stamina

The weapons I use have push attacks that incentivize having more stamina than the extra wound

Honestly I usually use chorus just cuz the extra attack speed from marty is more than sufficient for you to become a monster at melee

And having a source of golden toughness for a build that incentivizes staying low health is incredibly valuable.

Plus that 30% damage boost is only a cherry on top

Marty also makes your golden toughness even stronger cuz of the tdr

I topped boss damage on chorus zealot with a lacerate Mk3 knife on h40 before. As long as you lock in and stay low health, you're an absolute monster

For shits and giggles too and now it's one of my favorite builds honestly

First h40 I did was with Marty tac axe.

[covert fable]

Tac axe is my goat

[buoyant pewter]

stares from block-attack spam lunatic corner, twitching

[mortal aspen]

maybe you started a push attack in the same frame?

[narrow frost]

mk4?

[viscid sparrow]

btw, which combo is best for VIAG on vet: Flakiac, Crit Chance + Maniac, or Crit Chance + Flak?

I feel like running both Onslaught and Rending Strikes might partially invalidate the need for Flak on the VIAG itself...? (I use both talents at once)

this is the vet build in question, btw.

[calm shard]

onslaught is a meme perk

[covert fable]

#general-chat message pretty funny

[calm shard]

it's terrible for literally everything that isn't a vraks IAG/recon las build, and not worth 3 points on those weapons unless you want to be funny

[viscid sparrow]

ahhh... I didn't realize that... (although, the damage numbers in the Grinder looked impressive)

[calm shard]

it is impressive

but why are you shooting crushers

there's no shortage of good melee weapons that kill crushers quickly

and don't spend ammo to do so

and like it's 3 skill points just so that you can kill crushers by shooting them

It only helps into them

[hybrid plover]

Always baybeeee

[covert fable]

Is that the second one/middle tac axe

[hybrid plover]

Yes. The uppercut is absurdly strong on marty zealot

[viscid sparrow]

nah, I had it for shooting Scab Ragers and maulers occasionally... (scab ragers also have carapace, and I didn't realize how good Psword was against armour before committing to onslaught...)

[covert fable]

Hmmm

[calm shard]

vraks is a full auto death beam into everything that isn't crushers

with enough crit chance anyways

[covert fable]

I always liked the last tac axe

[hybrid plover]

And you can chain it real fast with special and the special staggers just about anything that isn't a boss.

[covert fable]

It just seemed to do more dmg idk

[covert fable]

I'll check it out again when I get on

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-let-him-cook-cook-cooking-breaking-bad-gif-27522167

[viscid sparrow]

so what you're saying is that swapping either maniac or flak to crit would be a good idea, especially on vet?

[calm shard]

yeah

I use crit+unyielding on my vraks

just because it does so much damage that you mostly only need the extra damage into ogryns and bosses

[covert fable]

what modifier is this?

[midnight wyvern]

battlefield 6

[midnight wyvern]

what blessings you running on Vraks?

I remember it was fun awhile ago, but been ages since ive used it

for no reason other than

boltah

[calm shard]

dum-dum raking fire

[midnight wyvern]

isn't raking fire the backshots one?

[calm shard]

yeah

helps for boss damage when you can't see their head

[midnight wyvern]

fair

same with bulwarks when they're attacking someone else

or muties

can see the use

[hybrid plover]

I just realized the irony.

I can expect more actual, indepth conversation about zealot from the vet chat

Than the actual zealot chat

[midnight wyvern]

Zealot chat is mega braindead

[covert fable]

yes

[hybrid plover]

I try to open zealot chat and I just feel the wrinkles in my brain smoothing out every time

It's also become the bf6 chat recently.

[hybrid plover]

Honestly, unarmored is not a bad option either

Just to make sure the tox bomber from 50m will actually die

[calm shard]

tox bombers being so oppressive and unreasonably tanky that they single handedly make unarmored justified

[hybrid plover]

A lot of games snowball solely because of those bastards invoking the spirit of Tom Brady I swear.

[midnight wyvern]

💀

[icy gulch]

On the topic of

I played bf6, kinda mid rn but it's open beta

I prefer darktide even as a newer player

More fun, doesn't make me wanna blow my brains out

In game

[covert fable]

alright martydom is pretty chad

[sudden cedar]

How so?

[covert fable]

Swing speeeeed anddd damaaage babyyyy

[sudden cedar]

Counterpoint

You get the same with Fury of the Faithful without having to sacrifice your toughness for it.

And your curio slots

[calm shard]

why not just take both

also you're hardly sacrificing your toughness with numbers like this

[covert fable]

That is nice

[covert fable]

Truuee

But

MOAR

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bDR3P.gif

[tame lodge]

Counterpoint you don't get the same

💀

[calm shard]

what if full support veteran

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-daring-today-spongebob-spongebob-meme-daring-today-arent-we-gif-23808696

I mean

It's aight

Except for the lack of Precision

[calm shard]

please like I can hit heads

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/soobfad-druski-gif-25646977

[tall torrent]

purpossfully missing breakpoints on helbore is like

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

It's support

[calm shard]

yeah see you get it

[tame lodge]

They don't want to deal damage

💀

[calm shard]

maybe I should try and get covering fire on it so I can spam into poxwalkers to give other people damage

to really sell the support playstyle

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/fist-of-the-north-star-hokuto-no-ken-hey-as-long-as-it-works-as-long-as-it-works-winging-it-gif-5037582307183355084

[calm shard]

genuinely tempted to run this and see how horrible it feels to play

[tall torrent]

@hybrid plover what martyr build do u run

[tame lodge]

Can't you drop 8 stacks for One Motion

💀

[calm shard]

Think of my teammates though

How will they survive and do damage without 8 stacks of FT

and covering fire, and born leader, and for the emperor, and skullcrusher

I wish covering fire was good because I do actually like it thematically

[buoyant pewter]

Some of us are not sane and like living on a sliver of life

[hybrid plover]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fa4d5bf-efd3-4111-b80e-037f552716b8/chorus-maniac?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Reason I run lacerate is to basically give scourge as much uptime as possible and the extra bleed is nice.

I could run left bottom for crit cdr but honestly, with finesse weapons like knife, backstab one is literally all you need

[covert fable]

It's not opening on my phone, I'm not sure why

[hybrid plover]

Just push and dodge sideways and that's 10 seconds off your cooldown if you get the backstab.

[covert fable]

You said you use book with marty right

[hybrid plover]

And the constant 25% damage from hitting stuff is more important to me than the impact

[tall torrent]

figured as much

[hybrid plover]

Thing is, getting yourself to low health without outright proccing until death lol

Because you kinda need to be to get that toughness dr since that's whats going to keep you alive. Not health.

I could also call this Zedger build

I'm at work but I should get a snippet of fighting bosses with this on low health because it's honestly stupid

[icy gulch]

its time

10 hour shift is done, family is taken care of, it is time

the emperor shall gain another loyal quota of exploded heads

with oddly large 75 calliber rounds inserted in what remains of said head

is there by chance a slightly less heavier version of the boltgun?

[sonic kayak]

Bolt Pistol

[icy gulch]

hopin for something with better ammo economy

every playthrough i see enemy gunners just giving my team a hard time

low tier gunners

non specialists

[tall torrent]

they're usually better dealt with via melee

[icy gulch]

fair nuf

[tall torrent]

relatively few ranged weapons are good for shooting them

[icy gulch]

was thinkin bout that dmr

[covert fable]

Have you tried the zarona revolver

It's nice

[icy gulch]

i will definitely take a look

[tame lodge]

Vigilant 7

[icy gulch]

that or make a boltgun build lol

[tame lodge]

One shot
One kill

[icy gulch]

mmm

[hybrid plover]

This, is where you learn that sliding is one of the most important things in the entire game.

[icy gulch]

I FORGOT I COULD DO THAT

[hybrid plover]

Never forget you can slide.

It is fundamental to survival in this game when you start upping the difficulty.

[icy gulch]

its just im having this problem where some guns feel super clunky, i love boltgun, but it takes forever to do anything. i get its the trade off for big goober damage

i just feel like as a jack of all trades i need to be somewhat light on my feet

[sonic kayak]

You can also slide sideways or backwards too, not only forwards

[surreal rune]

agri combat shotgun

[icy gulch]

i assume the ammo economy is really bad though

[hybrid plover]

Agri shotgun has a very, very good ammo economy actually.

One of the best in the game for a non Las weapon as a matter of fact.

[icy gulch]

i havent used a las weapon

i heard the recon lasgun is good

[covert dagger]

Don’t vets start with a lasgun?

[sonic kayak]

it's alright, 5 marrons

[icy gulch]

infantry las

[covert dagger]

You didn’t use it?

[icy gulch]

felt really bland. it was good i used it a few times

but the recon lasguns idk about

[covert fable]

I have yet to use that since my vet was lvl 1

That thing was dreadful

[icy gulch]

on god

im gonna try creating a new build based on what i've learned

[covert fable]

Maybe it's better with blessings but idk

[icy gulch]

gotta fight hordes better, need good ammo economy for right now, and have to deal with elites/bosses in some manner being utility or something

[surreal rune]

hellbore lasgun with surgical and shocktroop is very good on ammo

[covert dagger]

So here is a gaming philosophy thing.

If you plan on playing this game for a while, like “maining it” I would say you have to at least be proficient in all your guns.

It’ll up your player skill since you know what other are using.

Like being able to at least know what a healer is doing in an MMO. Despite playing a DPS.

[icy gulch]

specialists arent a problem

[surreal rune]

able to kill maulers, crushers, specialists, gunners all without much issue

at least on the mk4

[icy gulch]

i agree and thats why i've been buying a new gun effectively after every mission lol

[covert dagger]

So you know. Use everything.

[icy gulch]

i actually do enjoy the semi automatic harder hitting weapons

[covert fable]

You find some underrated stuff this way

[icy gulch]

but i noticed typically guns in this game have a purpose. well every weapon does

ik boltgun is great at elites and specialists. a lot of semi automatic sniper dmr type weapons are atleast i think

agri shotgun actually doesnt seem like a bad idea. can fight at 2 different ranges and has a good ammo economy. would like to find a melee decent at both hordes and maybe elites

[surreal rune]

the agri is very good for most things

the special is a slug

very effective for elite sniping

[icy gulch]

yeah i remember someone else the other day saying its pretty much a w gun

[surreal rune]

i wouldnt recommend it against armor but

it has very good stagger on the special

[icy gulch]

well its a shotgun, so it can atleast stagger? and if im facing armor.... eh idk

as veteran, other than krak, i have had a certain unfun time with armor

so i assume maybe like ogryn or zealot is better at dealing with them on a higher pace

[surreal rune]

veteran has its ways

kraks are

[hollow ibex]

the slug shot isn't bad against armor though as usual using your melee is recommended

[covert dagger]

Sounds like it’s experimenting time then.

[surreal rune]

mm. they may help at a time

but there are better, faster options

for killing armor specifically

[icy gulch]

yeah i need to experiment with melee more and read on whats good with what and how

[covert dagger]

Or just experiment.

[icy gulch]

i looked at the dueling sword and it had decent damage stats i think

[covert dagger]

It’s a game.

[icy gulch]

fair nuff

[surreal rune]

the dueling sword is very effective, perhaps too effective right now

[covert fable]

The combat knife tho

So niceeeee

[covert dagger]

That sword man. Like. Here we are. A bunch of rejects. And what do we roll up in? A duelling saber.

I think it “works” for psykers. Because they start with “better” gear due to sometimes being rich.

And this reject vet waltzes into a mission with a fencing saber.

Dafuq man.

[surreal rune]

one should expect a nerf in the future for the dueling sword--supposed nerfs in the works have already been leaked supposedly

[covert fable]

I heard plasma gun might get a nerf?

[surreal rune]

yes?

i believe another was in the leak for the plas

[covert fable]

Dang

[surreal rune]

primary fire nerf mostly

but it did outplay all other options, even at their own role

[covert fable]

I don't use either dueling or plasma but that's going to prob annoy a lot of peoples

[surreal rune]

it seems it wont get as bad of a nerf as many think

but we shall see

[surreal rune]

vigilant autogun?

already underpowered but it was even worse at its few good things to the plas

[covert fable]

That's just tragic

[icy gulch]

well i got a good ol armor pen ax, agri shotgun, and a loadout to balance it all out

buffs w grenades

[twilit trail]

He doesn’t

[hybrid plover]

Dueling sword overrated

But yeah it's probably getting the nerf hammer really soon.

Which is funny because it honestly is abrasively overturned for Auric but falls off in Havoc.

Like, really hard actually.

I think it needs more a rework than a full on nerf tbh

[icy gulch]

make it only good with a parry build

[elder vessel]

Perhaps?

[tall torrent]

we don't know

[elder vessel]

"Perhaps"?????

[tall torrent]

I asked abt it

the answer, TLDR is, don't read too much into it

[hybrid plover]

Id rather they don't leave it as is but I also wouldn't want them to nerf the one good thing it has too much either.

Main reason it's so annoyingly good in auric is because the enemy density is never really enough to exaggerate its one fault of not having the greatest horde clear or management.

[tame lodge]

[surreal rune]

sarcasm

[tall torrent]

I think just a big cleave nerf is enough for hipfire

charged shot needs some serious buffs

[calm shard]

make it work like old fire shotgun special shell used to

[hybrid plover]

Oh I'm talking dueling sword tbh

[calm shard]

it's not actually a projectile it just checks in a big ol' cylinder if anything is there

and deals damage if there is something

no LoS

Ignores all walls

[hybrid plover]

I think dueling sword needs a cleave and single target rework entirely.

[calm shard]

and then maybe make it cost less fucking ammo

[tall torrent]

oh that uh

I think just

[hybrid plover]

Make it that it can handle hordes similarly in auric but also be able to handle the hit mass spam of havoc better while nerfing it's single target potential.

[tall torrent]

nerf heavy atk base dmg & finesse
nerf uncanny (for all weapons)
remove DS's dodge template override

prob enough

[calm shard]

do we do the dodge template thing to tac axe and knife too

[tall torrent]

no

tac axe can keep it

cuz way lower single target dmg

lol

knife I think is more complex

[orchid hemlock]

Yes my lord 🗡️

[tame lodge]

But but
My 3 shot H40 Crusher

[tall torrent]

going from 3 hit h40 crusher to 4~5 hit is prob a better change

given u don't need to pay stamina for single target on this weapon

[covert fable]

The indignatus crusher?

[tame lodge]

The tactical axe mk4

Dealing 5400 dmg

In 3 hits

To carapace

[covert fable]

How is that 3 shotting a crusher in havoc 😭

What is the secret sauce

[tame lodge]

Just vet things

[covert fable]

[hybrid plover]

and ppl were really here saying taxe bad for carapace

they just weren't aware of the secret technique ™

[covert fable]

Fuck I forgot to test the mk4

[hybrid plover]

We call it

The bottle opener

[covert fable]

Does it open bottles

[tall torrent]

rolling crit and dmg juicing lol

[tame lodge]

Truly a shit weapon

[icy gulch]

i use the taxe and yknow, read the damage info and it seems really good against carapace

[hollow ibex]

i would think rashad is still better tbh

and PS obv

[tropic notch]

I wonder what skills could be combined to lower vet tax

[covert dagger]

Just had a lovely round using a shock maul and SMG. Hive Ganger ftw.

[calm shard]

every single minor node

👍

[tropic notch]

I wouldn’t say that

You don’t love your 800 toughness

[covert dagger]

I like having to choose between melee and ranged, too. And yeah. That toughness and ddamage reduction.

Damage reduction is so great.

[tall torrent]

I could prob make a new slightly more down-to-earth vet talent change plan

[calm shard]

nah you should give fatshark your most extreme take

[covert dagger]

And then gripe that they didn;t do it.

[calm shard]

so when they inevitably don't do everything you want it comes out looking kinda like what you wanted to begin with

[tall torrent]

Noe

[tall torrent]

No

Some grey nodes actually good

[icy gulch]

deadshot good?

[covert dagger]

Depends on what you like doing, G.

[icy gulch]

blowing heads off

😐

[calm shard]

Yeah I know

[covert dagger]

Then go for stuff that boosts critical hit or that weakspot damage

[icy gulch]

ooo okay

[covert dagger]

Like, you have somethign you're good at, right? Amplify that.

I like controlled centermass shots and steady regen. So my builds reflect that.

[icy gulch]

im really really good at snap shots and just hitting crits even without like executioner stance

[covert dagger]

There we go. Lean into that.

Try guns that reflect that. Maybe the bolt action lasrifle. Or the bolter on single shot. Revolver, bolt pistol.

And then decide what you like best. And play that build or specialty in weird ways. I tried the fast firing lasrifle once. Tried playing "commando" style and moving. Then I tried a tank build with it.

Try it in hard missions, try it when you're tired/drunk/high ...

[little path]

deadshot works hilariously with las weapons

specifically the recon lasgun

[covert dagger]

And then see where that takes you.

[icy gulch]

yeah and im seeing a lot of crit chance talents and imma pick them up

lasgun build here we gooo

[covert dagger]

Maybe you'll find the revolver fun? Who knows?

[icy gulch]

i kinda did. ireally liked the speed and damage

[covert dagger]

I love it for snap shots, but I like the sound of the bolt pistol more.

These days I really wanna make the basic lasrifle work. Been experimenting.

[icy gulch]

bolt guns are reallly fun

[covert dagger]

So satisfying. I wish the rifle didn't have a triple shot.

[austere mica]

Bolter doesn't have burst in ADS

[covert dagger]

I am aware.

[icy gulch]

i was originally gonna do a build specifically for the boltgun but then i saw that perk for ammo on lasguns and im gonna give helbore another shot

[austere mica]

Its 2 burst in hipfire and semi in ads

[covert dagger]

I am aware.

I still wish it didn't have a burst mode.

[austere mica]

I think its fine

[covert dagger]

That's nice.

[austere mica]

All of its multi shot breakpoints are in 2's

[covert dagger]

And I still wish it didnt have it.

[austere mica]

Actually now that I think about it I wonder what the accuracy of the first shot in hipfire is like

[covert fable]

The second shot might not be as accurate

From the recoil

Idk

[austere mica]

yeah but everything you are shooting more than once is ogryn sized

[covert fable]

True

[covert dagger]

Ah. See. Nobody ever uses a b rifle from the hip.

Ever.

At all.

[austere mica]

I do

I never ADS the thing on zealot

[covert dagger]

And nobody ever would, because the second round misses a lot. And I am sure some spreadsheet about break even points tells a significantly better story about how a gun is used in a game.

So I still wish it didn't have a burst mode.

[austere mica]

If I'm hip firing a bolter I am aiming at a crusher or reaper within 15 meters

I would have to be non functional to miss that

[covert dagger]

And I still wish it didn't have a burst ode.

Are you humble too?

Maybe goodlooking? Also rich.

[austere mica]

You are really overextrapolating right now

[covert fable]

Yes

But tbh I do wish I could single fire from hip

[covert dagger]

Don't know. Carpets! do they?

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/mz6Go3q

[austere mica]

Now that I think about it the reason its a 2 burst might simply be because it would be too accurate in semi from the hip

[covert fable]

This is scary

[covert dagger]

It's amazing.

[calm shard]

only veteran and arbites can do that

arbites takes more setup

[covert fable]

I think it still takes like 50% of the hp without exe stance right?

[calm shard]

veteran just press exe and have FT or MMF stacked

and congratulations you won

[little path]

love using the bolter for monster mag dumping

But man. Exec stanc could really use some duration buffs

[calm shard]

duration buff by killing the enemy

[little path]

5 seconds maximum

can barely reload the boltor :(

[solemn niche]

it's also doable with voice of command but it takes more setup

[marble mantle]

I'm surprised Vet guide doesn't have those example builds yet

[hollow ibex]

new one will

soon tm

[marble mantle]

You happen to have an infil WS build? Feel like running for pugs

Doesn't have to be WS

Also thinking of running smokes and exe stance (also for pugs)

[calm shard]

we be damage juicing in this house

oh wait I meant to pick agile not serrated

whoops

very realistically obtainable numbers

[marble mantle]

thanks gang

[calm shard]

oh damn

[marble mantle]

what are the best guns to use with exe stance

[calm shard]

Helbore, Laspistol, and Bolter

Infantry Autoguns are good too

But those 3 listed are the best

[marble mantle]

bet

[marble mantle]

I wish shovel was just like..... a wee bit better

I quite like it, but it suffers against cara

[hollow ibex]

the push attack is reasonably good

the rest of the weapon is kinda shit tho

[marble mantle]

But SHOVEL

but BONK.

life is endless suffering

for recon do you dump ammo or mobility? I assume mobility, but shock trooper exists

ohhhh collat nvm

[calm shard]

it's okay into carapace

it gets uncanny and skullcrusher/decimator

[hoary fiber]

Veteran class is best :3

[calm shard]

so Mk1 shovel can special into push attack and 3 tap crushers

[covert dagger]

Can ELI5 smoke grenades in this game for me? I know how to use them IRL .... but like ... what are they supposed to do in this game?

[marble mantle]

On recon, is there a preference of infernus / deathspitter in high havoc?

I was thinking maybe infernus would be preferred.

[hybrid plover]

think of it as like a bubble shield that doesn't break but you get no toughness from it

and also forces ranged enemies to reposition

and that includes specialists

[tame lodge]

It messes up with ranged enemies ai
Stay in the smoke

So throw at your feet or throw wherever you'll be in 2 seconds

Stops gunners, reapers, shooters and snipers from shooting

Shotgunner and Trapper will have to get really close

Flamers will run around like crazy

[sudden cedar]

Beast of Nurgle also does not like it.

[tame lodge]

Dogs won't pounce

[spice shard]

oh shit fr?

damn its better than i thought

thought it only affected shotties snipers and the 2 shooters

[sudden cedar]

I think it bugs out because it can't find the target it was looking for

[spice shard]

yeah ranged attack

[sudden cedar]

Because no line of sight

[spice shard]

vomit requires LOS for the ranged to mark a target

why dome basically destroys it

or well helps at least

[sudden cedar]

No.

Psyker Bubble blocks ranged attacks

The Beast will still use the Ranged Attack fine, its just that nothing happens because its being blocked

[spice shard]

yeah

which it uses to mark a target to eat

no ranged attack
no mark
no eat
means it does basically nothing

[sudden cedar]

Yes

[tall torrent]

@covert dagger

[spice shard]

i sure do wish this was in the game

[tall torrent]

better format prob

[covert dagger]

That’s pretty interesting.

[hybrid plover]

also hard counters ranged twin

which is kinda huge in havoc

smokes are a genuinely decent blitz that are unfortunately shafted by vet's tree

that being said

it does have some seriously good nodes over it

[stable socket]

if only vet blitz were arranged like arbitrator/ogryn blitz

where you never have to spend travel nodes to pick it up

[midnight wyvern]

keen for its rework so I can use them more often

[dapper pier]

Didnt vet have to get reworked 4 times?

[austere mica]

They’re at 1 rework post p-13

Major rework I should specify

They’ve had minor tweaks here and there

Though they’re more than likely lined up for a second after zealot gets their turn

[jade flower]

Sorry to be a pain, kinda getting into veteran but is there a comprehensive guide thingie anywhere for veteran? example being Ogryns ogrynomicon? I ask this before looking at the pinned stuff (sorry)

[midnight wyvern]

would be here @jade flower

[mortal aspen]

zealot is the worst

[mighty willow]

real

[icy gulch]

I think it would be dope if we could hit enemy hands to disarm them

Idk maybe I'm tripping

[sudden cedar]

Decapitation will also disarm them. From existance.

[covert dagger]

I love that DT has “armor as worn”

The fact that some lowly minion can wear a steel mask and not be one shotable is great.

Appreciate a game where shooting a bad guy in the leg works.

Don’t get me wrong. Headshots good. But they’re oftentimes so mechanical they lack grace.

I’d call the over reliance on them …. Gauche.

[teal canyon]

Vt actually have mechanic to hit the leg. Dt doesn't

[covert dagger]

Don’t some mobs have different armor in the legs? I can drop a chain axe guy way quicker with leg than head shots.

And when the little runner guys wear their masks they take two headshots with a lasrifle. Normal ones take one.

Or and I imagining this?

[sonic kayak]

It varies on weapon but generally hitzones will prioritize head or body

Some exceptions were the old Bolt Pistol and GG

Maybe you're feeling the armor difference between head and body

If you're talking about the Mauler then he has carapace helmet with flak body

[icy gulch]

Well I mean like crushers or maulers

It's be hilarious if they added a class that has a little sentry gun

[novel epoch]

can someone help me in a private penance?

[sonic kayak]

Try #vox-lfg-lexicanum or #zealot-class since I think you are trying to do a Zealot penance?

[novel epoch]

It doesnt matter whos coming or whitch class . it just needs to be done in 10 mins. And Rolling steel is up

[steel lagoon]

they can have different armour on head, body, l/r arm, and (both?) legs. Bulwarks do, maulers do, twins are all over the place for armour (Rodin is unarmoured on legs?)

[covert dagger]

Thanks. I thought I noticed it.

[mortal aspen]

bulwarks have carapace on shoulders

[icy gulch]

So what are the biggest differences between a autogun and a lasgun? Ik ammo usage and that's about it

[hollow ibex]

autoguns have higher dps, at the expense of ammo economy

and lasguns are kinda shit rn tbh

[heavy rover]

excuse me the helbore is peak

[hollow ibex]

i assume he's talking about ilas specifically

[heavy rover]

ah

then yeah the infantry las is in a rough state

[icy gulch]

I used it twice and hated it

Thinking about the recon lasgun

Heard there's a variant that's high accuracy low recoil

Lots of ammo

Wanna make a crit build with it bc of that crit ammo lasgun perk

[hollow ibex]

all the recon las barely have any recoil

[mortal aspen]

I though inf Las was OK on zealot with juiced up crit chance

[hollow ibex]

jfc i need to turn on the mod that disables flamer effects again

feels like more people are running it

and it's so fucking annoying

[hybrid plover]

Late to say this but also one of my highest damage builds is a knife/Helbore build with smokes lmao

At least for vet its performed so in auric. Problem is, trying to play a vet without survivalist in pugs is usually not the play for others which is really annoying

[hollow ibex]

not bad for a sub 30 minute game

that vet fucking using only SAP the entire game lol

1200% ammo taken

[covert fable]

what were you using?

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-bright-light-gif-12102399198230618243

[covert dagger]

I love me dat SMG. So satisfying.

[hollow ibex]

meme build with taxe mk4, serrated blade, ws and invis

and exploit weakness lol

literally the only build i take exploit weakness on

[covert dagger]

That is a whole lot of really like … oddly detailed information.

[hollow ibex]

yeah because it's a very specific meme build

[covert dagger]

I mean. Who tracks this stuff for a game?

I used less specific data for my platoon.

And I play EVE!

[hollow ibex]

i need more data

[warm schooner]

you play eve and you think this is a lot?

[hollow ibex]

i want to know how much of the bleed damage came from serrated blade vs. flechette on my DB

[covert dagger]

Yeah man. At least eve is geometry.

Though I don’t play industrial or markets much.

[warm schooner]

yeah eve is way more spreadsheety than this

darktide isn't even close

[covert dagger]

I clearly dodge that part. Do industrialists do that? Cause my corp leader is an industrialist. And he seems the type.

[hollow ibex]

could've been more cleanly done but man DB is fun

that shotgunner's tactical roll threw me off lol

[covert dagger]

I also kinda feel eve is the kind of game where technical skill matters more. This is an FPS. Your accuracy could go down because bob the Ogryn was more drunk than usual while playing and was standing in front more.

To get useful data from that you would need such a ginormous data sample to account for like … school being out. Variations in temperature because people get mad. Stuff like that.

[hollow ibex]

yeah tbh i always ignore scores lol

i should check my settings again

[warm schooner]

you can do that with Eve because eve is a graphical overlay over excel

[covert dagger]

Right. But in an FPS?

[covert fable]

tac axe is insane

[warm schooner]

you use it as a sounding board for what you observe in game

it's not the sole source of truth

[hollow ibex]

mk vii def is, mk iv is much more meh

[covert fable]

yeah

[warm schooner]

because moment to moment fights and situations are so different from match to match

[covert fable]

i think my best game was with tac axe and a db

[covert fable]

what blessings ? im using headtaker and agile

[hollow ibex]

i'm running HT + shred

[covert fable]

Interestinggg

[hollow ibex]

because exploit weakness needs crits

and taxe dodges are good enough

[covert fable]

Yeah

Wait

[hollow ibex]

tho i was def out of practice on vet and living from medicae to medicae

[covert fable]

Is rending and brittleness same?

[covert fable]

Me every game

[hollow ibex]

rending is a buff to yourself

brittleness is a debuff to the enemi

enemy

[covert fable]

Ahh

I feel like without agile I'm just gonna get eaten alive

I'll try shred and headtaker

[hollow ibex]

agile is one of those things that will absolutely make you a worse player

[covert fable]

its so fun tho

[hollow ibex]

(much like playing arbi in general)

[covert fable]

shit feels like the matrix

[hollow ibex]

understandable

[covert fable]

wait

i wonder how serrated would be on the shock maul

cuz its good for elites and itll help it in the horde clear

[hollow ibex]

Prob not great because smaul doesn’t attack fast enough

[covert fable]

double barrel and WS :

[hollow ibex]

i don't think it's worth it but you could try

serrated blade in general is very niche

[covert fable]

ill try it

[boreal goblet]

Thats the meta way to RUN the recon Las Gun right now, Shock Trooper, and Infernus and Head Hunter, Spam Crit and Pray to the emperor.

[hollow ibex]

dumdum, rather than HH

[marble mantle]

What's a good framework setup on the talent tree for running combat knife and helbore?

Helbore 4 combat knife 6

Tyty

Will have to figure out how much it’ll cost to swap to infil. Wanna have both.

[marble mantle]

Will this one work for helbore if I swap something to shock trooper?

[hybrid plover]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fa6727a-46b9-41f4-b78a-dfd8cba0904a/smoke-skirmisher?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Not even trolling. This build is hella fun.

[marble mantle]

Oh cool, thanks 🙂 I’ll check it out

[hybrid plover]

I wanna try using it in havoc so bad 😭

[hollow ibex]

saw the title and i thought you were taking skirmisher the talent lol

[hybrid plover]

It's fucking funny that it's called that but with no skirmisher

BTW Fatshark skirmisher rework when

[hollow ibex]

already happened

[hybrid plover]

Ah yes the "buff"

That literally did nothing because it didnt rectify the fundamental issue with the talent.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/job-is-done-gif-6327344616414725502

[red robin]

Hate that sprint sliding kills the momentum

Or uptime on buff

Run n gun fun with it just to get halted by reloading

[hybrid plover]

It's so close to being good.

And Fatshark just keeps dropping the ball on it every time

[hybrid plover]

Oh also ignore that 19% on the knife. Penetration should always be 80

Just doing that on mobile honestly sucks.

[hybrid plover]

Could honestly drop close quarters killzone or superiority Complex me thinks.

Build is already high damage enough from what I can tell so losing one of those wouldn't be the end of the world for the sake of much better ammo efficiency

And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think path said superiority Complex doesn't really do much for Helbore specifically.

Since it very often guarantees one shots on the elites you want it to anyway

Assuming you're hitting heads anyway.

[covert fable]

i love how this arby revives me when a pox burster is like 3m away from him

kills us both

[hybrid plover]

Ah yes, the arbitrator who has the situational awareness of a plank

Been seeing a bunch of those lately.

Literally had one try to revive someone in a scab melee

[covert fable]

LMFAO

[hybrid plover]

As there were about five crushers around them

[covert fable]

we lost

[hybrid plover]

I'd imagine lmao

[calm shard]

@marble mantle what he said

just drop one of the damage talents for shock trooper

build has more than enough damage

[hybrid plover]

I'd say superiority personally.

Close quarters helps with everything. Superiority only helps with elites.

And it doesn't do much in this particular case so the extra damage in general is just better

[covert fable]

is this good for helbore mk4 and power sword?

[calm shard]

sir you have no crit

If you're gonna unga bunga full gun damage build you gotta commit to the bit

[covert fable]

awe

[magic trout]

Hi
Focused cooling (plasma gun blessing) is bugged or have wrong description or work as intended?

[magic trout]

For crit surgical is enough

Unless he is not using it

[magic trout]

Which blessings are you using?

[covert fable]

surgical weight of fire

[magic trout]

Then yes, is good for helbore

Just remove

[hybrid plover]

I mean at no point should someone not be using surg for Helbore tbh

Second blessing is up to choice tho

[magic trout]

"Long range assasin" and "tunnel vision" are not that good

[calm shard]

tunnel vision and camouflage are the best subnodes for MMF

[magic trout]

You can go instead for "camouflage"

[calm shard]

long range assassin is okay if you have good aim

[magic trout]

With this you will mantain always at least 5 stacks

[calm shard]

but you really don't need the extra damage it gives

[magic trout]

After engaging in CC

[calm shard]

it's more of a buffer to have some downtime when at high stacks where you still have high stack damage