honestly if anything, it felt more consistent running this than mercy killer somehow
#veteran-class
hybrid plover
hybrid plover
i cant get behind the weirdly delayed moveset
steep flower
i cant get behind the weirdly delayed moveset
Its an acquired taste
hybrid plover
there's just this, slight delay to every action it does
it throws me off
that being said
hmm
serrated shock maul
skullcrusher
i've started to realize i actually like smoke grenades a lot
so i'm just trying all the things i can with em
unreal nova
I know, better when you have so much ping, only Tzeentch knows what you are hitting.
Looks at my Dueling Sword.
steep flower
serrated shock maul
Nah man; better equip a faster weapon
hybrid plover
yeah you're right 😔
barren cave
serrated shock maul
hybrid plover
i figure this works wonders for tac axe but i haven't tried that yet
hybrid plover
i mean, i didn't think flesh tearer serrated knife would work as well as it did
and here i am, eating my own words
muted peak
what blessings and perks should I get for my devil's claw?
hybrid plover
honestly, perks are up to preference except, never carapace
muted peak
and are there any knife users here?
hybrid plover
because you will never do good damage against carapace
muted peak
understood
hybrid plover
and are there any knife users here?
if not shovel, i like knife lots
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what blessings and perks should I get for my devil's claw?
take carapace on devils claw don't trust shovel goblin you will hit no breakpoints and you will like it
muted peak
what about blessings?
muted peak
if not shovel, i like knife lots
what is the disadvantages of a knife?
and how do you nullify them
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what is the disadvantages of a knife?
literally only short range
solve this by running
hybrid plover
what is the disadvantages of a knife?
range and while it can horde clear, horde management leaves a lot to be desired since you won't really be able to stagger many things in a swing
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that and horde clear but you as vet have mediocre horde clear regardless
hybrid plover
that and horde clear but you as vet have mediocre horde clear regardless
ima be real. vet's horde clear can be fantastic actually
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tru on specific weapons
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but if we're talking in general it's like mid compared to every other class
muted peak
range and while it can horde clear, horde management leaves a lot to be desired ...
So it's like axe in a sense?
hybrid plover
but if we're talking in general it's like mid compared to every other class
that's not saying much when three of the classes are just overpowered
hybrid plover
So it's like axe in a sense?
basically
olive halo
that's not saying much when three of the classes are just overpowered
Im wondering which one is the not OP one
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that's not saying much when three of the classes are just overpowered
yeah nerf survivalist again
olive halo
psyker?
hybrid plover
well, tac axe
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olive halo
damn fr?
hybrid plover
the only true grace that zealot has is until death, but other than that, they're more well rounded
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how do you nullify those shortcomings?
run faster idk
tame lodge
how do you nullify those shortcomings?
olive halo
the only true grace that zealot has is until death, but other than that, they're...
I didnt think of zealot as not being OP, but after thinking about it, does make sense
hybrid plover
how do you nullify those shortcomings?
dodge and get your reciprocity stacks. use uncanny as that will make your performance against bulkier targets much more consistent. push attacks are your best friend so you may want to invest in a stam delay node to make use of them more. and have a blitz that can cause stagger to help with horde management
olive halo
you're locked into the main path of zealot builds
like the whole right side and take knives then either FotF or chorus
hybrid plover
with knife, on a typical surv shredder build, i use either lacerate uncanny or riposte uncanny. it's really up to preference
flesh tearer can work but you have to bank on a crit and that may not happen consistently sometimes
precog is also good but the uptime isn't as great
hybrid plover
I dont deal with elites on knife right?
actually, you do
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you do that's your goal with knoife
muted peak
damn
olive halo
It's like one of the major things to do with a knife
hybrid plover
the main issue with it really is just, horde management
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nah wait you as a knoife vet should be going out of your way to kill that one pox walker (((it looked at you funny)))
hybrid plover
not horde clear. it can actually do a decent or even good job horde clearing depending on the buiild
but you need good space, positioning, and you need to manage your stamina properly since you'll need to push a bunch
there's a reason it was the meta before dueling sword became available to all classes
and it's still very good
muted peak
welp, looks like I wont be able to shout and dive into horde anymore
tame lodge
nah wait you as a knoife vet should be going out of your way to kill that one po...
Londoner mindset
hybrid plover
<:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fa1b9db-7474-4cc3-827c-b2b1ba61634d/bolter-knife
and here's a build i've gotten some pretty good mileage on with it
i have lacerate there but you can change that to whatever you feel works for you
very aggressive sorta setup
very fun
steep flower
https://tenor.com/view/frostpunk-i-love-democracy-meme-frostpunk-captain-gif-220...
Frostpunk my beloved 
hybrid plover
also, another thing. mk3 is more single target, mk6 is more versatile
the mks matter a lot for knife
steep flower
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fa1b9db-7474-4cc3-827c-b2b1ba61634d/bo...
You don’t need WS for these weapons
hybrid plover
it makes the knife feel a lot better and admittedly, there's not really much else i would think to take other than the one ws node
steep flower
it makes the knife feel a lot better and admittedly, there's not really much els...
I understand reciprocity & desperado; those are alright
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ws builds up so slowwww on knoife
hybrid plover
well ye, it's meant to be a really aggressive build
steep flower
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fa1b9db-7474-4cc3-827c-b2b1ba61634d/bo...
Take close order drill, confirmed kill & tactical reload
hybrid plover
and you're already guaranteed the crit
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three kills
no I need max stacks shur up
hybrid plover
Take close order drill, confirmed kill & tactical reload
tactical reload is honestly not necessary
steep flower
Instead of trench, ws & toughness
hybrid plover
if you know the reload trick, that's barely useful
steep flower
tactical reload is honestly not necessary
Believe me with what you took it is
steep flower
if you know the reload trick, that's barely useful
The reload trick does not shave off much in terms of reload speed; plasma yes but not boltgun
Since you took marksman & for the emperor you will be deleting bosses with boltgun and having no reload is pepega
hybrid plover
i don't try to use more than one mag for it
steep flower
I had one guy who stated he will be deleting bosses with his boltgun and had no tac reload; we lost to boss accumulation; he was too slow
tall torrent
if you know the reload trick, that's barely useful
The reload trick is 3 cancels per reload animation
It’s not for those not on the spectrum
hybrid plover
you know, fair point on that actually
steep flower
i don't try to use more than one mag for it
With this combo you 2 mag a boss on h40, 1 mag if you get team help aka valuable distraction & focus target
muted peak
Frostpunk my beloved <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
fellow frostpunk fan
tall torrent
And unlike plasma u do actually reload this thing a lot
Plasma is also 3 cancels per reload but ur not racing against time (exe stance timer) to do it
steep flower
you know, fair point on that actually
Ikr; Papa Willy knows his shit 
tall torrent
And u do it like single digit number of times in a mission
hybrid plover
i mean i've gotten comfy enough to do it everytime i actually need to reload
i've used the bolter a lot
steep flower
And u do it like single digit number of times in a mission
Unless youre a chronic reloader… like me 
tall torrent
And u do it like single digit number of times in a mission
And this is without always prepared which is 100% an IQ tax for plasma
hybrid plover
it's kind of an iq tax for bolter too tbh
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path u should start suggesting longshit
tall torrent
path u should start suggesting longshit
I should start gaslighting people into thinking shovel is good
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go on reddit and the gaslighting isn't necessary
hybrid plover
but really personally, i've used it enough that i genuinely don't feel pressed about the reload time. it pretty much was my main until i started using helbore way more
but i guess that build is made in mind with someone who's way more comfortable with it than the avg person
hybrid plover
I should start gaslighting people into thinking shovel is good
you dont need to. i already do that
muted peak
also, another thing. mk3 is more single target, mk6 is more versatile
oh alr then I will go for mk6
when I have it
muted peak
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fa1b9db-7474-4cc3-827c-b2b1ba61634d/bo...
I will try it thx
hybrid plover
I will try it thx
i will say, path makes a fair point. since you do need to do some animation cancel trickery to get a decently fast reload on it so if you feel the need to, switch a node out to try and get tactical reload
or just use another gun honestly
shotguns work really well with knife too
muted peak
there is a faster reload way with spearhead?
hybrid plover
yes
you have to cancel each step of the reload in a particular time
but it's tricky to get that down at first
there's videos on it
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or just use another gun honestly
trust me shredder autopistol trust me bro trust in the process
hybrid plover
oh you'll be fine then
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0 damage to cara, 0 ammo economy, 100000 wasted shots
muted peak
finally
darktide gameplay at 60fps
my prayers to the machine god have been answered
all hail omnissiah
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darktide gameplay at 60fps
blessed be thy machine
muted peak
It surely is a blessed machine
He is 5 years old but still powerfull enough to play darktide
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as the god emperor intended 🙏 🙏 🙏
unreal nova
It’s not for those not on the spectrum
Even if you are on it, still depends on the end of the spectrum.
steep flower
i will say, path makes a fair point. since you do need to do some animation canc...
Always use tac reload with boltgun & thank me later
orchid hemlock
https://tenor.com/view/imperial-fist-warhammer-gif-27420223
sudden cedar
@steep flower
plain osprey
Ive played with a russian teammate today. Rocked very flashy cosmetics (looked like a witchhunter from fantasy, cake and everything). Krak nades, voc, hellbore lasgun. Interesting fella. He and i were there last two standing, them he died and i soon after
You gotta be a real madlad rocking hellbore to auric maelstrom with monstrous specialists.
normal bay
You gotta be a real madlad rocking hellbore to auric maelstrom with monstrous sp...
Why? Helbore has good boss damage? Especially when you have "Bring it down", +25% unyielding and a red stim 
Focus target too
covert fable
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fa1b9db-7474-4cc3-827c-b2b1ba61634d/bo...
There's 1 point remaining idk where to put
U could prob go focus target and drop ws
sudden cedar
@covert fable Field Improv
muted peak
sudden cedar
11
covert fable
11 <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
name too hard to spell
plain osprey
<@811656687734882375> Field Improv
Field improv is love, field improv is life
plain osprey
Bolter build?
plain osprey
Why? Helbore has good boss damage? Especially when you have "Bring it down", +25...
But is it good even without exe stance?
covert fable
Bolter build?
Ja
normal bay
But is it good even without exe stance?
Yes, very
covert fable
*foto gespeichert*
Will try it soon
It shovels buildd
normal bay
You got a build? Or i'll make one up
Can't find my exact one but this is close enough. Just swap something for shock trooper. (For Helbore IV & Heavy sword)
plain osprey
Thx
normal bay
Can go for one motion instead but I still like to run close order drill
plain osprey
Playstile recommendations?
normal bay
Sit in the back and blast away
You'll want the III or V if you want to be more aggressive
plain osprey
Sit in the back and blast away
I will If the fucking game lets me lol
plain osprey
You'll want the III or V if you want to be more aggressive
Noted
steep flower
But is it good even without exe stance?
Always has been
steep flower
If this is for boltgun then no; there is a better setup
plain osprey
Always has been
Ok
Not what ive heared before but then again you ask 5 people one question here you get 7 different answers, two memes and one troll message
covert fable
If this is for boltgun then no; there is a better setup
Ooh
covert fable
Exe stance boltgun? 😎
steep flower
@covert fable @plain osprey this is what i use in H40 and tbh I haven’t seen better performing build than this; field tested in many games
unreal nova
Ok
Not what ive heared before but then again you ask 5 people one question here ...
But some meme builds can work.
covert fable
<@811656687734882375> <@1079828481275346945> this is what i use in H40 and tbh I...
That looks good
steep flower
steep flower
That looks good
Ikr
covert fable
Why is the top of your screen red
covert fable
ah
south spindle
It pains me that every Vet build nowdays uses Shout
I'ma have to start playing stealth just to piss people off a bit
steep flower
I'ma have to start playing stealth just to piss people off a bit
Wont piss me off; i like infiltrate
south spindle
Wont piss me off; i like infiltrate
Aggro dump on a teammate, use second charge to pick them up
sonic kayak
<@811656687734882375> <@1079828481275346945> this is what i use in H40 and tbh I...
Wait until you see my build 
steep flower
Exe stance is nice
The only reason I use VoC is that it provides stagger; not golden toughness, thats a bonus - its the ability to create space on demand that makes VoC top tier
covert fable
Yeah the stagger is amazing
south spindle
In all seriousness tho I bet two properly coordinated stealth players could actually do work, sandwich enemies an what not
steep flower
I use it for the voicelines <a:chad:979832655325573151>
Tbh; loose cannon voicelines for infiltrate are good and i love them
south spindle
But you would need to be coordinated
sonic kayak
Tbh; loose cannon voicelines for infiltrate are good and i love them
TB cough "That karkin' stinks!"
covert fable
The shout ability always gives me Fart vibes
steep flower
The shout ability always gives me Fart vibes
Cause it is
Do you really think you would not have gastric problems after eating powdered corpses?
Its like eating beans
sonic kayak
Except in the Cutthroat's case where he yells so hard he hurts the heretics' feelings
covert fable
Do you really think you would not have gastric problems after eating powdered co...
Veteran been eating taco Bell before every mission
sonic kayak
I say he, because F!Cutthroat is also good, but just doesn't deliver her lines as hard
unreal nova
Its like eating beans
Wot.
unreal nova
I say he, because F!Cutthroat is also good, but just doesn't deliver her lines a...
Some need a retake imo.
south spindle
I say he, because F!Cutthroat is also good, but just doesn't deliver her lines a...
Loose Cannon is the funniest tho, particularly lines like the one where he suggests desertion 😄
sonic kayak
Loose Cannon is the funniest tho, particularly lines like the one where he sugge...
I'm specifically referring to VoC line delivery but they're all good and the lines fit each personality
unreal nova
Loose Cannon is the funniest tho, particularly lines like the one where he sugge...
Just scamper off.
sonic kayak
Can't forget the open admittance to racketeering
south spindle
Can't forget the open admittance to racketeering
And to looting 😄
south spindle
Noone said he was smart 😄
covert fable
And to looting 😄
Goop is goop
unreal nova
And to looting 😄
BUT LOOTING GUD.
unreal nova
Noone said he was smart 😄
Or just knows nobody cares enough.
plain osprey
<@811656687734882375> <@1079828481275346945> this is what i use in H40 and tbh I...
Boltgun, yes yes?
plain osprey
But some meme builds can work.
True
steep flower
Boltgun, yes yes?
Yup
unreal nova
Hrm?
unreal nova
Means the other psykers accept you
To be fair, most of them are fairly sane. Ignoring my curios hard.
plain osprey
To be fair, most of them are fairly sane. Ignoring my curios hard.
True. Youll find the insane part of the dt community here -> #zealot-class
covert fable
😂
unreal nova
True. Youll find the insane part of the dt community here -> <#10469135896147477...
No, my builds are kinda sane.
covert fable
No, my builds are kinda sane.
Insane in the membrane
sonic kayak
Crazy insane, got no brain
covert fable
Guys he's a knower
unreal nova
Insane in the membrane
What's sanity anyway?
covert fable
What's sanity anyway?
Real
covert fable
What's sanity anyway?
It's a thread
unreal nova
It's a thread
Non-existent? Or cut already.
unreal nova
Between us and the abys
I stare at it. It might be whimpering.
covert fable
I stare at it. It might be whimpering.
With the fan on or off
unreal nova
With the fan on or off
On is more threatening. Noisier.
unreal nova
same spot everytime
Hrm? I just see a splayed out gremlin.
covert fable
Hrm? I just see a splayed out gremlin.
Car
unreal nova
I just call cats, cars
Oh.
unreal nova
covert fable
<:lynetteShrug:1114752956944883823>
unreal nova
A spooped kitty.
short vapor
Zealot channel has not changed a bit
It's gotten worse over time. Quite funny.
covert fable
Lovely
unreal nova
It's gotten worse over time. Quite funny.
To be fair, that's the loony bin.
covert fable
To be fair, that's the loony bin.
What about general chat, what is that considered to be
plain osprey
What about general chat, what is that considered to be
Also a looney bin.... And If you look closely, youll find the same people chatting in both chats....
Koinkidink? I think not
unreal nova
What about general chat, what is that considered to be
A mixed bag.
sonic kayak
What about general chat, what is that considered to be
Zealot is General 1, General is General 2
covert fable
Zealot is General 1, General is General 2
True
covert fable
Zealot is General 1, General is General 2
BTW does anyone else on darktide have the same ping issues as u?
sonic kayak
Probably not to my extent, it seems my internet is being particularly belligerent these last 2 weeks
sonic kayak
That's my specialty
short vapor
BTW does anyone else on darktide have the same ping issues as u?
I use dial-up so I think I have worse ping issues
south spindle
A mixed bag.
If it were a bag, I'd be able to enjoy it. It is not
sudden cedar
It just works.
hybrid plover
U do have to invest way more to get focus target
Also, if you're not that experienced with bolter, tac reload is also a good choice to have but keep in mind that you can't mag dump it as freely
hybrid plover
Probably not to my extent, it seems my internet is being particularly belligeren...
It's the servers me thinks
For some reason they seem to have stabilized for me since yesterday though
But my ping was inconsistent since the havoc rotation update for some reason
hybrid plover
You gotta be a real madlad rocking hellbore to auric maelstrom with monstrous sp...
Helbore is crazy good for boss damage
Just need to be deliberate and hit your shots but it's why it's replaced bolter for me recently with the buffs to make it more usable across the board.
I ran a meme build with knife, Helbore and smokes and out damaged an arbites on an auric Maelstrom yesterday lol
sudden cedar
Maybe you are simply better
hybrid plover
The arbites was actually not bad at all too
It's become genuinely hard to put Helbore down for me lately, honestly
steep flower
Helbore is crazy good for boss damage
not really; its good cause vet has good talents that focus on weakspots & other passive buffs - helbore vs boltgun is basically; i trade boss dps & burst crowd dmg for better special/elite sniping with better ammo economy
both great at what they were designed
hybrid plover
I mean yeah of course without the talents it isn't great. But when you do have a good shot and it's built up well, it does a lot of damage, especially with a crit.
sudden cedar
I can see how a Zealot would...not do well with a Helbore.
covert fable
U do have to invest way more to get focus target
Oh ya
hybrid plover
Bolter is just specifically specialized to mow into a boss but that doesn't mean the other option isn't good either.
And I say this assuming the gun is built up for it. Which honestly is really easy to do for vet because a lot of the talents you'd take for it, are talents you usually want to take.
I can't name a soul who wouldn't use precision strikes
covert fable
My only issue with it was the sluggishness
sudden cedar
You could say the same about Until Death and Holy Revenant. Yet still people don't take it.
hybrid plover
You could say the same about Until Death and Holy Revenant. Yet still people don...
Because the zealot tree is built even worse than veteran honestly.
If you want to branch out, you will actually have to sacrifice those for certain builds.
sudden cedar
You.. don't have to. Really.
hybrid plover
If you want to use shroudfield, tough luck.
sudden cedar
Easily done.
hybrid plover
Show me. 
sudden cedar
It just means you took too much elsewhere that you don't need.
I would never for nothing give up Until Death and Holy Revenant.
hybrid plover
But you're probably losing out on something else really big to take those.
sudden cedar
No.
hybrid plover
That's the zealot dilemma.
sudden cedar
The capstones are decently strong, but i don't think they are really necessary
steep flower
U do have to invest way more to get focus target
lol no; if you go for mandatory nodes like iron will then;
Focus target requires 3
Weapon specialist requires 6
steep flower
WS is nice for some weapon combinations but its a trap alot of the time
hybrid plover
lol no; if you go for mandatory nodes like iron will then;
Focus target requires...
I mean changing it from the build there. Because you have to take a lot out of the right side to invest into focus target.
steep flower
But tbh I never got why you would run ws with bolter
exacly; its not for it. Good range weapons for WS are single shot ones that pull out relatively fast so;
Zarona Revolver
Combat Shotguns
Double Barrel Shotgun
Bolt Pistol
Plasma
steep flower
I mean changing it from the build there. Because you have to take a lot out of t...
ahhh in that case huh
i dont spec into right tree at all; there is no need
nothing substantial
hybrid plover
But tbh I never got why you would run ws with bolter
Desperado and reciprocity are pretty major nodes if you want to make melee feel better for vet honestly
steep flower
the only tme i go to right side if i'm not going for WS is to get Onslaught for Recon las build variation & other rapid fire memes
hybrid plover
Not necessary depending on the build
steep flower
Desperado and reciprocity are pretty major nodes if you want to make melee feel ...
i dont use them & i use melee alot & its fine
thats the point; ppl state its mandatory when its not really; it helps but in general chaf will not be a problem for you ever
covert fable
Desperado and reciprocity are pretty major nodes if you want to make melee feel ...
Yes
It's not too bad without I don't think
sonic kayak
IMO anything not the PS or DS should take those
The crit and more importantly, the finesse bonuses are just too useful
PS and DS are strong enough without
steep flower
- vet ain't a crit class in general; has reciprocity & desperado & 5% crit chance node but thats it; depends on what weapons you use and that comes to;
knifes
dueling swords
tactical axes
chainswords to a degree
shock mauls to a degree
devil claw swords
thats it
sonic kayak
It's why I use the PS on any builds that don't go that side, just simply too crippled 
tropic notch
+ vet ain't a crit class in general; has reciprocity & desperado & 5% crit chanc...
Tac axe, knife, dclaw are pretty good on him
steep flower
Tac axe, knife, dclaw are pretty good on him
ppl forget that dclaw has a very nice crit dmg
and can use shred
tropic notch
And vet has decent crit and 20% from shred
So you can use exploit weakness
And preform decent with it
Speaking of I didn’t know 15 rending could push the light attack to shred maulers on Arby
covert fable
ppl forget that dclaw has a very nice crit dmg
i saw someone beat like 100 ragers with a dclaw once i think
hybrid plover
i saw someone beat like 100 ragers with a dclaw once i think
Mr. Unc
covert fable
i just watched a bot walk off the edge and die
spring ocean
jaunty tinsel
an earlier discussion was generalized builds vs specialist builds, but it's a bit difficult to get a 4 stack of competent players all building for a different niche
so i'm curious if you wanted to have only 2 specialist builds (rest being just QP autofill generalists), what would those bare minimum roles be?
hordeclear and specialists/elites?
tropic notch
hordeclear and specialists/elites?
And bosses
But yea most builds that are specific in one thing are usually meme builds
It’s why I like ws so much
jaunty tinsel
But yea most builds that are specific in one thing are usually meme builds
even if they have other people to synergize?
tropic notch
even if they have other people to synergize?
Look in havoc
Bubble pysker, zealot with book and ds, vet with plasma and ds
When one dies it’s a domino effect
tall torrent
IMO anything not the PS or DS should take those
Those 2 specifically want it too
tropic notch
Mainly zealot or psyker
jaunty tinsel
When one dies it’s a domino effect
i see, and this doesn't happen if you have 4 generalized builds?
tropic notch
i see, and this doesn't happen if you have 4 generalized builds?
Not at all
Everyone’s horde clear is good
sonic kayak
Those 2 specifically want it too
Unfortunately it's not in the cards (or points)
tropic notch
Everyone can deal with bosses and specialist/elites
hybrid plover
It's hard for me to put down ws solely because I like actually being not only reliable but properly goated in melee
tropic notch
When one falls it doesn’t create a domino effect
hybrid plover
A good melee vet can run circles around zealot.
tropic notch
There’s no niche to fill
tropic notch
A good melee vet can run circles around zealot.
Skill dependent
hybrid plover
IMO anything not the PS or DS should take those
Those are the two options you want it on since, big finesse multiplier, multiplied even more
tropic notch
Zealot is better tho
sonic kayak
Those are the two options you want it on since, big finesse multiplier, multipli...
Yes but if I'm not building into that side, then I'd take those 2 (or PSword specifically, which I do)
hybrid plover
It's the same reason psyker becomes so ridiculously strong on scrier builds
sonic kayak
I'm not saying if you're using those 2, then don't take those points, rather, they don't require those nodes to do work but yes, they do get massive boosts
Finesse is Finesse, afterall
hybrid plover
Skill dependent
A "good" melee vet.
sonic kayak
Unfortunately you are just good
jaunty tinsel
what is WS?
tropic notch
I’m powercreeped
plain osprey
Any of you merry gentlegrys up for a game or two? I wanna play a little psyker after work but id rather do so without randoms
hybrid plover
what is WS?
Weapon specialist.
tropic notch
what is WS?
Weapon specialist
jaunty tinsel
got it
tropic notch
jaunty tinsel
do you have to specifically try to play around its stacks or do you naturally reap the benefits just by playing properly?
plain osprey
Invite goes out especially to the usual suspects ie @sonic kayak , @twilit furnace @steep flower @dawn garnet
jaunty tinsel
in your experience that is
tall torrent
Bubble pysker, zealot with book and ds, vet with plasma and ds
DS is massively overrated on veteran
Power sword is just better most of the time
jaunty tinsel
huge power sword fan
tropic notch
huge power sword fan
The build I sent is the build I take into havoc if I’m running vet
tall torrent
DS on zealot is ok for chorus because u don’t get as much attack speed and you don’t get FotF to make melee weapons actually good vs carapace
steep flower
Any of you merry gentlegrys up for a game or two? I wanna play a little psyker a...
come to me! https://discord.gg/Wvdynh9z
tropic notch
You can also swap ps for knife
covert fable
im about to have an aneurism in these solo q games
hybrid plover
The only ds I like is mk5
Mk5 dueling was another thing I goofed with when I was testing options with serrated and smoke
It is actually, very fun.
tropic notch
Stop the glaze
tall torrent
Better than 4
Not much of a bar to surpass
faint beacon
Personally I think we should just kill DS users
hybrid plover
You mean zealot
tropic notch
Or replace infiltrate with a ability like that
hybrid plover
"The only drug I need is the Emperor's Fury" ah class
tropic notch
Das all Dey need
covert fable
I think knife better then dueling sword.
Yed
late jungle
They should make a drug addict class
Unironically
please
let me play as a junkie from the slums or something
balmy flume
Literally me right now.
sudden cedar
I miss Rotten Armor already. Such a fun modifier.
dusk osprey
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982229685675102228/1275433773647007846/IM...
woah
covert fable
I miss Rotten Armor already. Such a fun modifier.
Did it get replaced by another event?
tall torrent
Did it get replaced by another event?
No
covert fable
ah
muted peak
even though I love the knife play, It looks like knife is too much skill required for me 🥀
covert fable
even though I love the knife play, It looks like knife is too much skill require...
Practise with ittt
hollow ibex
even though I love the knife play, It looks like knife is too much skill require...
You could just use mk3 and just spam lmb
sudden cedar
@covert fable Not yet.
unreal nova
I miss Rotten Armor already. Such a fun modifier.
Just went into normal mercantile, 7 crusher heresy wave.
Nothing has changed.
sudden cedar
Well that is heresy
unreal nova
There were like 5 maulers as well.
sudden cedar
and not rotten armor
unreal nova
Still unlimited cara BS.
midnight wyvern
thats unlimited?
unreal nova
And I tried plasma. Did not enjoy. The delay is as awful as I remember it to be. Vewy fun having a near sec delay from starting to fire to seeing if it hits.
unreal nova
thats unlimited?
That was in a single wave. There were more.
Great when my team literally relies on a single deimos to kill them cos they die to anything at random.
midnight wyvern
uh huh
hybrid plover
Plasma overrated
unreal nova
Plasma overrated
It's worse at near 300 ping or over 300 ping.
Server can just say, nope, you did not hit.
hybrid plover
Genuine curiosity, what server do you even play on to get that so consistently.
unreal nova
Genuine curiosity, what server do you even play on to get that so consistently.
EU.
If I get on the RU side, I simply just DC.
Server kicks me.
hybrid plover
Goodness gracious.
I live in NA and I have a better ping than that in EU
It still sucks but, yeah
unreal nova
I don't get my ping.
Is like 5-6 in APAC Central.
You leave that server and...
HK is 40, JP is 80, Aussie is 100-110.
Everything else is 280+.
I guess India is 70 ping, but the high end gamble there is close to 500.
So, very gambly to play on.
Avg is still high enough to fall on over 280.
icy gulch
Which lasgun was highly recommended?
Just looking for an accurate automatic weapon. Might try infantry. But I swear the laser counterpart was the recon lasgun. Forgot which mark if it has one
unreal nova
Oh and all the playable servers are kinda ded when I'm in the mood to play cos time.
muted peak
You could just use mk3 and just spam lmb
Maybe one day
unreal nova
I got downed by poxwalkers on malice <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
How? You can literally get away with just spamming lights on most stuff.
muted peak
How? You can literally get away with just spamming lights on most stuff.
That how much of a dumbass I am
unreal nova
The only thing you can't is really just crushers.
muted peak
Yeah
That's what I most love to do with vet
So I dont think I will play knife anymore
Time to return to my beloved
unreal nova
That's push atk or special into atk.
unreal nova
Yes, I knoife spam on stuff so... >_> To be fair, I run WS.
muted peak
Ws?
And what vet personality in your opinion nails the voice the command?
I wanna try all of them with voc rn grinding cadian vet
muted peak
Whats your melee atm?
unreal nova
And what vet personality in your opinion nails the voice the command?
I play femLC, but really, VoC lines are just good whatever the voice.
muted peak
I also run specialist with chaxe and lasgun
unreal nova
Whats your melee atm?
Knoife.
covert fable
holy fuck i almost duo'd the mission with the ammunition crates in the end with this random arby
muted peak
I feel like an IG lietunant
unreal nova
Knoife Bistol.
covert fable
at the end i get sniped by a random sniper and a choas spawned on the poor guy
unreal nova
Commissar lul.
muted peak
Damn
unreal nova
Some ppl say, use DS instead for look.
muted peak
Soinds tuff
muted peak
Some ppl say, use DS instead for look.
I already use it
unreal nova
Me, knoife.
muted peak
But its not effective for elites as chaxe
I'm looking for something I can use for everything
unreal nova
But its not effective for elites as chaxe
How are you not 1 tapping with DS4 on malice?
muted peak
(Except power sword)
narrow frost
I'm looking for something I can use for everything
Tactical axe
muted peak
How are you not 1 tapping with DS4 on malice?
Ds4?
muted peak
Hmmm
unreal nova
And it's meme build.
muted peak
I didnt like the light attacks being assasin at first
unreal nova
My other builds take 3-4, but they are more 'nade builds so many point taxes to hit breakpoints gone to 'nades.
tame lodge
I'm looking for something I can use for everything
Rashad
unreal nova
Counterpoint: 1 hit with special attack chaxe
I can stab safely while dodging around.
muted peak
Rashad <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Nah man rashad is too single focues for me
I tried it
tame lodge
Brutal Momentum
muted peak
Feels sluggish and ineffective
tame lodge
muted peak
I can stab safely while dodging around.
You wont have to worry about dodge because it staggers in special attack form with chaxe
Win win
muted peak
Brutal Momentum
How much does it effect?
tame lodge
Makes your single target weapon kill 4 non Ogryn targets per swing
muted peak
Hm
faint beacon
Magically hard staggered
muted peak
Taxe special
I forgot that tactical axes were a thing in vet
unreal nova
What about mauls?
Don't bother. Needs buffs still.
muted peak
Don't bother. Needs buffs still.
They say that for chaxe too
And its my fav
I can manage
unreal nova
They say that for chaxe too
CAxe needs more as well...
muted peak
He deserves some love
hybrid plover
I play femLC, but really, VoC lines are just good whatever the voice.
FemLC is da best
Male Cutthroat is also really good.
tame lodge
What about mauls?
tame lodge
They are unironically mid
faint beacon
More like staggered crusher
hybrid plover
Tac axe special is so good.
tame lodge
You can easily build shock maul to one shot specialists on vet
faint beacon
Vet? Literally just mid
hybrid plover
And they somehow still manage to be mid
Boss damage is atrocious and you can't really do much to consistently increase the damage on that and the animations are just
I would like it more if it just didn't feel like you were swinging through molasses.
mortal aspen
taxe is peak, but carapace damage is sad
hybrid plover
taxe is peak, but carapace damage is sad
No it isnt
mortal aspen
yes it us
tame lodge
Taxe propaganda in the big 25
hybrid plover
What the heck are you using
mortal aspen
it takes ages to kill one crusher with all headshots
hybrid plover
Okay not even memeing like, the tac axe is actually not bad at all against carapace
mortal aspen
DS is two pokes and poof
hybrid plover
DS is two pokes and poof
Ah yes, compare it to the overturned dueling sword
That is definitely a fair comparison
mortal aspen
taxe kills carapace, like 1v1 crusher it's going to kill it fine, but mass armor ehh
tame lodge
"Dueling Sword is just tactical axe on steroids"
"Tactical Axe is natty Dueling Sword"
tropic notch
it takes ages to kill one crusher with all headshots
You light spam unless you’re using the mk4
mortal aspen
power sword what 2shots crusher?
hybrid plover
Something that's bad against cara is something like devil's claw. Heavy sword
mortal aspen
You light spam unless you’re using the mk4
yes and it takes ages
tall torrent
No it isnt
it does take pretty long
1k dps vs crusher is like almost 4s to kill a single ccrusher
tropic notch
yes and it takes ages
mortal aspen
Something that's bad against cara is something like devil's claw. Heavy sword
that's not bad, that's straight up zdps
like actually next to zero
hybrid plover
1k dps vs crusher is like almost 4s to kill a single ccrusher
Okay what blessings is this using because I've gotten way higher dps on crushers
mortal aspen
taxing a crusher feels like I'm back in Vt2 where superarmor is actually tanky
muted peak
I have used chaxe like 30 hours in this game where the community deems chaxe as 'trash' I think I can handle any weapon if they are easy to adapt
tropic notch
I'm looking for something I can use for everything
Literally tac axe
muted peak
Damn
mortal aspen
taxe is just so fun
mortal aspen
zoom zoom
faint beacon
Taxe takes ages to kill crushers when it has incredible swing speed
muted peak
Does it require combos?
tropic notch
Does it require combos?
Push attack into heavy for mixed hordes/ horde clear
Light spam for single target
tall torrent
Okay what blessings is this using because I've gotten way higher dps on crushers
BM + headtaker lol
tropic notch
Or heavy spam
hybrid plover
Like Ive used it so many times. I know headtaker and brutal momentum won't make much purchase but I use it with decimator specifically because I'd rather have the better single target potential since you get good cleave with both that and headtaker anyway.
muted peak
hybrid plover
BM + headtaker lol
There we go.
muted peak
Imma sleep now gn chat
tropic notch
Okay what blessings is this using because I've gotten way higher dps on crushers
Headtaker bm flak unarmored
faint beacon
Does it require combos?
Matters on mark but it’s relatively simple
It’s not like Relic Blade 2
hybrid plover
Honestly like I get why brutal momentum is a pick.
But it suffers on single target.
tame lodge
https://tenor.com/view/i-can-handle-it-bill-frazier-bruh-i-can-deal-with-that-i-...
Well if you're going for it
Bring something to deal with monstrosities
tall torrent
Like Ive used it so many times. I know headtaker and brutal momentum won't make ...
decimator is pretty hard cope because it doesn't make cleave distribution notably good and the dps gain is very finicky because the stacking mechanic sucks
and on avg it's still just ~1k dps vs carapace most of the time
tropic notch
Only time I take it is with the mk 4
hybrid plover
I usually use mk4 tbh
tall torrent
still just mid, given it's RNG dependent
tame lodge
decimator is pretty hard cope because it doesn't make cleave distribution notabl...
Focking cap
Remove the cap
hybrid plover
Plus it attacks so fast that it isn't that hard to get to max deci stacks at all at least from my use
And I've taken this to h40. It's done me just fine.
tall torrent
They should give it slaughter
they should give it 4 blessing slots
tropic notch
In fact they should put thunderous as an built in blessing
hybrid plover
Like I can give that to shovel because it attacks slower overall so decimator can be awkward
hybrid plover
But I have never run into issues with deci on taxe
tropic notch
they should give it 4 blessing slots
AoN?
tall torrent
decimator is pretty peak cope honestly
I like the fact that it's on the #1 gaslighting weapon in the game
tropic notch
What if they buffed it’s crit chance from 12.5 to 22
tall torrent
why
tropic notch
I like the fact that it's on the #1 gaslighting weapon in the game
Lies
I’m telling cole
He’s gonna smite u….
tall torrent
I’m telling cole
cole and I disagree on a lot of things very frequently
I still respect his opinions
tropic notch
Holy peak…
tame lodge
They should give it slaughter
They should
Remove the cap
tropic notch
Love is in the air
tropic notch
tall torrent
I will say tho
I did agree with his idea of making tac axe's vertical heavy atk stronger in single target
tropic notch
Glad they did
tall torrent
but I'd have taken it further to the point where the attack actually deals very substantial damage
tame lodge
What if they buffed it’s crit chance from 12.5 to 22
Hmmm
Maybe I should start a solo mission with extra CRIT chance
tall torrent
instead of being a minor dmg bonus over the diagonal attack
tropic notch
Guh
mortal aspen
taxe is still amazing vs everything other than cara
and so mobile
and that special stagger
hybrid plover
I mean it's not the best against cara obviously but it's workable.
I just can't qualify it as "bad" with how it's performed from my perspective.
plain osprey
taxe is still amazing vs everything other than cara
You know how many heavies it takes for weakspot hits on a crusher to down it? I tested it with rashadd caxe and that usually takes 3-5 consecutive heavies, depending on class and perks. Fastest i could pull it off was with a still working execution order Keystone at full buffs, with two weakspot crits on caxe. I wonder what the optimal or average amount of hits would be for a taxe
mortal aspen
like 10 headshot lights or something
hollow ibex
Tbf lights are damn fast on that thing
Lights are the way to go with Taxe
Against crushers
plain osprey
Lights are the way to go with Taxe
Best case scenario, how many weakspot hits would i need to land If i wanna kill one?
hollow ibex
Best case scenario, how many weakspot hits would i need to land If i wanna kill ...
Idk tbh. It really comes down to crit rng
Because you’re just playing crit gacha until it’s dead
tame lodge
About 4
Unless it's the mk7 H2
That one can hit for ~1k damage
2 hits
Hmmm
No the math isn't mathing
Havoc 16 is heresy diff, right?
Yeah 2700 HP crusher
Well then
3 shots
4 shot h40 crusher
hybrid solstice
tame lodge
Mk4s H2 so close to a h40 3 shot
Hold on
I don't got the extra ogryn damage
There you go
First hit 1767
Second hit 1900
That's 3667 Dmg already
Damnation crusher would be dead
calm shard
doesn't the Mk IV have back to back strikedown heavies with a similar damage profile
tame lodge
Used to
But since the buff
They actually addressed that the H2 is an uppercut
And buffed accordingly
calm shard
so does it do more
tall torrent
cooking
tame lodge
tame lodge
so does it do *more*
Yes
tame lodge
Lol
Lmao even
tall torrent
actually I kinda just want to name "damnation, auric & havoc (21~40)" as damnation+
thoughts?
saves a lot of screen space that way
icy gulch
i do all the damage, buff all the peoples, and revive all the zealots
veteran kinda fun 10/10 will revive again
tall torrent
Huh
Did they nerf the mass modifier on havoc
I think so
tall torrent
both chaos horde's hp and mass got slightly nerfed
tame lodge
Used to be 3.2
tall torrent
prob to compensate for the slogfest that's orange
calm shard
chewing through orange crowds one poxwalker at a time
tame lodge
Man, I'm not rewriting my mental notes
I should really check the havoc modifiers more often
Kek
They are making havoc easier
fossil lake
Why did I have a ping in this channel?
hybrid plover
Mk4s H2 so close to a h40 3 shot
Mk4 uppercut special combo is so good
It's the primary reason I prefer it.
tall torrent
Man, I'm not rewriting my mental notes
also I'm only gonna list stagger values for the enemies that actually matter
steep flower
cooking
i understand weakspot, torso & base info but... many units have like... unarmored upper legs or arms; very specific; alot of work if you wanna not make it so simple as it is at this core WIP
hybrid plover
Use the special after the uppercut. Staggers crusher and also lets you chain into the uppercut a lot quicker.
There's a reason I was saying taxe is not bad at all against carapace
But I suppose I should clarify that mk4 isn't bad at carapace.
Also does good damage for unyielding but you cant really use it with decimator for bossing because the special wont have enough reach in a lot of cases to connect the hit
tame lodge
Use the special after the uppercut. Staggers crusher and also lets you chain int...
Using the special there would interfere with my research
It would be a 4 shot on technicalities
hybrid plover
A faster four shot.
tall torrent
i understand weakspot, torso & base info but... many units have like... unarmore...
yea none of this matters to me
these 3 are listed because they're what u will hit most of the time
steep flower
yea none of this matters to me
To you; you make the guide for yourself or others?
tame lodge
A faster four shot. <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Maybe when I test time to kill (probably never lol)
covert fable
power sword doesnt need reciprocity and desperado right
steep flower
power sword doesnt need reciprocity and desperado right
Technically no
tall torrent
To you; you make the guide for yourself or others? <:staregryn:10220850838443253...
myself
there's no point bloating it with additional armor type info of limbs ur not likely to hit most of the time
it's significantly likelier to hit torso if u don't hit weakspot
and torso also matters because it's what explosions check for
DOT checks for base
steep flower
there's no point bloating it with additional armor type info of limbs ur not lik...
Imo extra info is important, even if you most likely won’t hit the spots listed
tall torrent
Imo extra info is important, even if you most likely won’t hit the spots listed
not when it bloats a single enemy to 1 page+
steep flower
not when it bloats a single enemy to 1 page+
Cmon; they are not that many pieces
Maybe like 4 - 5
tall torrent
Cmon; they are not that many pieces <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
there are.
I am not adding this
steep flower
I am not adding this
I meant your formula
Not this
Perfectly aware of this… exel file shit tier stuff
tall torrent
I meant your formula
what formula
steep flower
what formula
How you put info into the guide
tall torrent
How you put info into the guide
[quote] [table]
[tr]
[td][h3][b]Chaos[/b] faction[/h3]
[quote] [table]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[th]Crusher[/th]
[th]Bulwark[/th]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][b]Max health[/b]
Damnation & Auric
Havoc (35~40)[/td]
[td]
3600
5400[/td]
[td]
4800
7200[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][b]Base mass[/b]
Uprising ➡ Havoc (40)[/td]
[td]
12.5[/td]
[td]
12.5[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][b]Armor type[/b]
Weakspot
Torso
Base[/td]
[td]
Carapace
Carapace
Carapace[/td]
[td]
Unyielding
Unyielding
Unyielding[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][b]Melee attack[/b]
Type
Health damage
Toughness damage
Block stamina cost[/td]
[td]
Bleedthrough
240
240
4[/td]
[td]
Bleedthrough
160
320
1[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][b]Melee attack[/b] (punch & kick)
Type
Health damage
Toughness damage
Block stamina cost[/td]
[td]
Bleedthrough
80
80
5[/td]
[td]/[/td]
hollow ibex
[quote] [table]
[tr]
[td][h3][b]Chaos[/b] faction[/h3]
[quote] [tabl...
Is that bbcode 🤮
Markdown gang
tall torrent
Is that bbcode 🤮
steam guide is just like this lol
and this is not finished either
need to add stagger info cuz crusher and bulwark actually important
hollow ibex
steam guide is just like this lol
Yeh. Sorry you have to deal with that
I wouldn’t wish bbcode on my worst enemy
hearty panther
path is an old man
he was there, on the ancient forum boards, formatting everything in HTML4
mortal aspen
work hard
nimble night
Today I learned there is a coffee brand called Cadia
Never tried it but must be good considering all the cutthroats are crazy about it
tame lodge
Bloodshot eyes due to high amounts of caffeine running through the veins
"For Cadia"
tall torrent
Can i have the tac axe for vet
which one
tall torrent
Mk7 and 4
this is for veteran btw
for arb I run unyielding + carapace for tac axe
I think I actually run every arb melee with unyielding + carapace lol
tame lodge
Ogryn Prejudice
tropic notch
Yeah I was gonna ask why maniac instead of flak
tall torrent
Yeah I was gonna ask why maniac instead of flak
mutant 2 hit kill
and dreg rager 2 hit if 1 crit
tropic notch
Guh
tall torrent
tac axe is just gonna be mid at best vs unyielding and carapace on veteran no matter what
barren cave
Does hd2 demand more system specs than dt
covert fable
icy gulch
so uhm
im in this lobby killing every ranged unit, blowing up all the armored enemies, and slaying them hordes and reviving them homies
and we still failin
mortal aspen
not killing everything clearly
icy gulch
me being the only one on the boss. well it was a boss and a shotgunner
i think 2 got overwhelmed with hordes, or distracted, and the psyker ran
i feel pretty good i low key felt useful and it was fun
tall torrent
me being the only one on the boss. well it was a boss and a shotgunner
Kill shotgunner, then kill boss
Boss is the least threatening part of most fights
icy gulch
man i love the bolter but im constantly running out of ammo
hybrid plover
man i love the bolter but im constantly running out of ammo
How often are you aiming down sight
hybrid plover
Just means you may be leaning too much on ranged
icy gulch
yeah i think so
hybrid plover
Thing about veteran is that it's not just shooty shoot guy. You still need to rely on your melee to conserve ammo.
Especially with something as ammo hungry as the bolter.
icy gulch
that is definitely what i was doing wrong
i was using it to kill ranged normal enemies as well as all elites that i couldnt kill with krak and specialist. i would mag dump a boss but i shouldnt have either
hybrid plover
A lot of new players fall into that trap of thinking vet is all about shooting.
Mag dumping a boss is genuinely one of the best ways to use bolter.
You just need to conserve more ammo so it's not as taxing to do so
Elites and specialists are your main targets with bolter.
icy gulch
alright i will for sure do that
hybrid plover
Also
icy gulch
would you say the same for the infantry autgun? agri
hybrid plover
What aura are you running
hybrid plover
Okay cuz you want that with bolter tbh
icy gulch
1% ammo return
hybrid plover
Also infantry gun. Honestly, you can get away with it using it a little more liberally.
It's nice when you have a bunch of chaff you need to clear quickly for space. But you still want to be conservative and focus more on using it on priority targets.
Also, agri infantry is
Kinda mid.
Vraks is the good one
hybrid plover
you died to a solo boss?
They new, chill
But path is also right. It's never the boss that's the true problem. It's what's around them that can truly snowball a situation
especially, specialists.
You never want to ignore specialists.
And as a vet, you should be priorizing them for cooldown reduction anyway
tall torrent
i was using it to kill ranged normal enemies as well as all elites that i couldn...
Boltgun doesn’t have enough ammo to take shots at ranged mobs
Use ur melee
icy gulch
i will become the best bolter
covert fable
you betterr
covert fable
Have you unlocked auric yet
frigid shuttle
boreal goblet
Thing about veteran is that it's not just shooty shoot guy. You still need to re...
Recon las crit spam says hello
hybrid plover
Recon las crit spam says hello
okay, this is the case, assuming you're not using las gun with shocktroop
boreal goblet
okay, this is the case, assuming you're not using las gun with shocktroop
I know I was just pointing out; speaking of weird things though; combat blade feels like a bad dueling sword
Am I right in that assessment
hybrid plover
I know I was just pointing out; speaking of weird things though; combat blade fe...
not really, no
they are somewhat similar in the fact that they're high finesse high mobility weapons but there's key differences between the two.
distant mural
Cadia stands…..on the kitchen counter
hybrid plover
dueling sword is "easier", and more user friendly than combat knife
but combat knife does some things better
unreal nova
but combat knife does some things better
Running around and kiting to clutch as a last resort.
hybrid plover
Running around and kiting to clutch as a last resort.<:Eula_Stare:82580059359123...
horde clear
boreal goblet
dueling sword is "easier", and more user friendly than combat knife
It's easier because it's crazy strong right now; I'm looking for something to can open when my recon las isnt cutting it; it feels horrible unloading into a crusher head; and the rot armor event made me reassess what weapons I was using.
unreal nova
horde clear
That's my grenades bleeding all but the fatsos.
boreal goblet
I used to use the powersword with cycler and the one perk for cleave through
hybrid plover
dueling sword horde clear is just not good. depending on knife blessings, you can actually make it decently proficient at horde clear. horde management is where it suffers though
hollow ibex
It's easier because it's crazy strong right now; I'm looking for something to ca...
The event really forces people to learn how to melee
hybrid plover
but dueling sword suffers at both
hollow ibex
Or end up bottom damage every match
boreal goblet
The event really forces people to learn how to melee <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771883229...
Have a zealot I know how to melee but I was looking for an answer on vet.
unreal nova
The event really forces people to learn how to melee <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771883229...
They still suck. You know when a meme build psyker has to solo with a dumb build... ppl still can't melee hordes.
hollow ibex
Have a zealot I know how to melee but I was looking for an answer on vet.
same answer as on zealot, hitting the 1 key
distant mural
but dueling sword suffers at both
No?
unreal nova
Guy decided reloading plasma the slow way instead of pulling melee was the way to go.
hybrid plover
it's amazing single target
unreal nova
The other two tried to do things, gunned down.
hybrid plover
outright overtuned single target
distant mural
Im not sure duelling sword suffers at anything axcept clearing hordes a bit.
hybrid plover
but its horde clear leaves a lot to be desired
distant mural
Its still very good definetly not bad
unreal nova
but its horde clear leaves a lot to be desired
You need serrated maybe.
distant mural
And its as fats as the knife
hybrid plover
Its still very good definetly not bad
dueling sword horde clear is not good at all lol
distant mural
I never had problems
hybrid plover
at least mk4 which everyone uses. mk5 and mk2 is marginally better
distant mural
Theres perks for it too
hybrid plover
see in auric, anything really works for horde clear, but i guess i'm thinking more along the lines of higher tier stuff so that's probably on me
but say like
havoc
unreal nova
But that just makes it a tiny bit better.
hybrid plover
dueling sword is god awful
with hordes
trying to actually horde clear through the hitmass mayhem that is high havoc with the short swings of the dueling sword very often just won't cut it
it's very good for specializing in taking down bulky single targets, again, probably overtuned for that
knife requires some more investment and finesse to it, but when you do actually put in the work, it can end up being more versatile than dueling sword
boreal goblet
I'll give it more chances; I'm just looking for something to complement recon las; and Auto guns;
boreal goblet
Hrrm
hybrid plover
and what blessings
boreal goblet
I tried 6. 3 feels better for what I want. But it also might be worse. I know the push is worse
Uncanny strike and lacerate
hollow ibex
3 really only works on WS builds
preferably with serrated blade
mk6 is much more general purpose
hybrid plover
and even then, it's really marginal to the point where you're probably better off using mk6 anyway
boreal goblet
3 really only works on WS builds
We?
hybrid plover
wider swings to proc bleed, more range, push attack is crazy good actually
boreal goblet
Ws?
hybrid plover
weapon specialist
unreal nova
Mk3 is more for a specific build zealot imo.
hybrid plover
honestly, i would recommend mk3 on zealot specifically because it actually has a means to safely close distance unlike vet
and has specific synergies with its moveset
unreal nova
Mk6 is all rounder than works generally better on classes with it.
hybrid plover
such as the extra backstab damage
boreal goblet
Also there's conflicting info on which to dump stat damage; or mobility
unreal nova
Also there's conflicting info on which to dump stat damage; or mobility
Dump mobility.
Trust. I'm a knoife freak.
hybrid plover
mobility. i know people say that damage is barely affected as a dump stat but when you consider all the multipliers that number goes through with talents, that extra bit matters
unreal nova
Only thing you consider dumping damage on is the flamer.
hybrid plover
and it already has so much mobility as is
it's already gamebreaking with how fast you can be
60 to 80% mobility does not really change much in the grand scheme of things
unreal nova
I have kited an entire portion of Baross on a 60% knoife before.
On vet.
Without the -stam delay.
hybrid plover
oh another thing
it "technically" looks like dueling sword and knife have the same speed
but it's a little more complicated than that
hybrid plover
and farther dodges, except for dueling sword mk5
unreal nova
But nothing as much as the knoife.