veteran-class

[tropic notch]

I’ll be on soon if you’re still wanting to play

I haven’t forgotten

[muted pendant]

why is the dump stat on power sword cleave and not mobility?

[tropic notch]

I may die though I usually warm up with a histg

[tropic notch]

Because of it’s insane empowered cleave and brutal momentum

Same with the hsword

You can dump cleave targets or defense

[muted pendant]

SIre melk has a 61% mobility and 79% cleave. what im hearing is i shouldnt get it

thanks. so sad

[tropic notch]

Yeah it’s literally just like oggy with the club it’s actually not bad

Guh no cab

[slow sky]

Dont have the points

[tropic notch]

Yeah I hope they rework him with the next update with zealot

[muted pendant]

ahh so thats why most dump stats are collateral on vet

[hybrid plover]

Honestly I see serrated shovel being a top pick when they take out a bunch of the fluff nodes with the rework.

[tropic notch]

Vet tax is ludicrous

[slow sky]

You'll also notice i skipped out on weakspot damage and ammo just so I can take stam delay

To make the game bearable

[tropic notch]

Yeah I saw

I honestly wish they just baked them in

doesn’t vet have an innate 5% rending

Or something like that

I remember path saying something about it

[hybrid plover]

You mean for guns?

[tropic notch]

Yes mostly the dump is something that doesn’t effect your damage

[tall torrent]

because the cleave difference between 60 and 80 is extremely small

[tropic notch]

Or is something useless like defense on the shovel

[hybrid plover]

Because most of the time, collateral shouldn't be the dump if it has a mobility stat

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent doesn’t vet have this

Or am I schizophrenic

[hybrid plover]

Only time it is I think is with recon las

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

(you are)

[slow sky]

because the ideal power sword uses brutal momentum which at that point doesnt even need cleave, and the base dodge distance is abysmal so you want all you can get

[tropic notch]

Amazing news

I remember someone saying vet had 5% innate rending

[tall torrent]

this is not quite accurate

[slow sky]

its true

i saw it in a dream

[muted pendant]

damn. well ill just hope to get better rolls tomorrow

11k of the sire melks currency

150k. spent a bunch on dumb stuff

[spark canopy]

if fatshark cared for their playerbase, this is what they'd do

they allow for gambling for stats at brunt's casino ofc

but they'd also allow for players to spend set amts to "customize" a received weapon

for instance, spending 50k ordo dockets to receive a weapon with dump stat cleave targets

[tropic notch]

What you do is whine on the forums

[spark canopy]

no, they're even more hateful than here

like if you thought people were elitist here, they're even worse on forums

[tropic notch]

Depends

[spark canopy]

i made a post about the ridiculousness of trappers having infinite cleave and going through bulwark/crusher/mauler walls
and had like three people parrot "skill issue"

[tropic notch]

I’m technically a elitist

[spark canopy]

or stealth poxbursters

[tropic notch]

Yeah I can argue that is unfair

[tropic notch]

This has always been an issue

[covert fable]

i just got off, but i should be on

[spark canopy]

another thing

i don't think that, in havoc, captains should receive encroaching garden buffs

like i mean specifically the captains/twins themselves having the purple aura

that should be relegated to elites and specialists alone

bosses, already with a large health pool, should not be able to heal themselves

[slow sky]

purple enemies cant be healed tho

[formal ice]

The bosses learned how the other heretics got their purple radiation aura

[spark canopy]

enroaching garden is healing though

[slow sky]

by them having purple, they cant be the target of a heal

[tropic notch]

Yeah cole is right

[spark canopy]

odd

[tall torrent]

u should tell them to remove purple from captains

[slow sky]

also captains are also kind of a pushover if theyre not a red sword captain

[spark canopy]

i think i've just been double purpled a couple too many times

[tropic notch]

Most people on the forums want you to clear 40 with melee psyker chain sword

[slow sky]

yeah that doesnt do anything
it goes for all enemies

purple enemies cannot heal other purples

[tropic notch]

And if you don’t u suck!!!!!!!!!

[spark canopy]

h u h .

[atomic void]

Crusher captain is an absolute joke

10 business years overhead

[tropic notch]

Sword captain scares me

[hybrid plover]

At the very least, dreg captains shouldn't have 100% chance of spawning purple

That shit is dumb honestly.

[tropic notch]

Twins suck if you’re in a clutch

[slow sky]

sword captain is just "block when theyre attacking, even if youre not the target"

[tall torrent]

neither scab nor dreg captains should

[tropic notch]

I failed one because rinda kept giving me back shots

[tall torrent]

twins it's kinda ok

[hybrid plover]

I think it's only dregs that have 100% chance.

For some reason.

[spark canopy]

i'm gonna touch you.

[hybrid plover]

Stop that.

Don't let Fatshark hear this.

[slow sky]

too late
i already forwarded it

[hybrid plover]

We're cooked, chat

[tame lodge]

Oh that's
That's Champion

Champions have a 100% chance of spawning purple

[hybrid plover]

I hate it

It's so dumb.

[tame lodge]

The good news is that purple cannot heal purple

[tropic notch]

Psyker backseat gaming me” dude you gotta move the 30 red ragers are coming because I fucking suck at psyker and melee” rinda atm https://tenor.com/view/freddy-freddy-fazbear-fazbear-fazbear-pizza-place-freddy-hitting-gif-5328662341160349848

[hybrid plover]

Why you guys bulli me

[hybrid plover]

See the thing about purple bosses in general is that it's not that they're inherently a problem

It's what can be around them that's the major issue.

Dreg captain with a crew of bulwarks and crushers is just horrible to deal with

Or any boss really.

It's the same reason why getting an encroaching garden bulwark blockade is usually just a lost cause.

[warm schooner]

You don't have to eat the entire meal at once

Splitting up the horde and bosses sometimes is the right play

[tropic notch]

Ping me if you wanna play I’ll be home in just a sec

[warm schooner]

As long as one person is close to the farthest position you won't eat the backtrack penalty

[hybrid plover]

I'll be real with you. I guess that's on me.

I say that with the implication that it's just one person because I have never seen it happen with anything other than one person.

[hybrid plover]

Also this is assuming the ai will actually follow through with that motion.

The only way to truly dictate something like this happening is having a taunt ogryn.

[serene bough]

I just wish captians couldn't spawn side by side with twins

genuinely so annoying dealing with 3 shielded captains

[slow sky]

wuh

i genuinely cant understand if this is sarcasm or not

[warm schooner]

Whoever has aggro just needs to be aware and drag things around

[red portal]

Man that is some ogryn level damage what happened?

[warm schooner]

But like I've said earlier, purple mod is an IQ test

[hybrid plover]

Ugh.

Like you're right.

But I hate that you're right.

[hybrid plover]

Everyone is going to aggro something unless again, taunt ogryn.

You just cannot predict the ai like that and assume it's going to play into your hand like that.

Especially in higher havoc.

That's why purple bosses are so shit to deal with sometimes.

[tame lodge]

People already don't like smite and mines are statistically worse smite

💀

[hybrid plover]

And even if you do have a taunt ogryn, after a point, there can be so many spawns that even they won't be able to kite around with the literal walls of ogryns and disablers ready to fuck their whole day up the millisecond they're caught slipping.

It really just comes down to how the dice roll. And they just don't roll favorably sometimes.

Or just have Smite and/or stun mines.

Probably gonna take a full hour or more for that run to be done.

[atomic void]

u throw the mine and lay the smackdown

u smite and........hold the smite button

[unreal forge]

situation where they probably don't got scoreboard and go off by feels, probably Martack visibly saved him a few times

[hybrid plover]

Ye.

[unreal forge]

only 26k in warpfire is crazy, why bother running whatever warpfire he's got atp

too bad he'll never know...

[hybrid plover]

Sometimes it's not about the damage yer doin but the-

Wait w-

How

26k in warp fire damage

My guess is this person is only running perilous combustion and nothing else for warpfire

Honestly. Not a bad option if you're running Scrier's with a weapon with uncanny tbh

But I get the feeling that isn't what's happening here.

You know the crazy thing

[frigid shuttle]

what staff did they use?

[hybrid plover]

They didn't even die

But they did go down.

So that counts for something

[frigid shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/that-makes-sense-to-me-spongebob-patrick-starr-gif-11881270

[hybrid plover]

Okay but seriously what was the build

I'm actually curious.

[warm schooner]

I've literally done this with many teams in h40

[civic apex]

have you tried speedrun shroud?

[hybrid plover]

Ya.

But I mean, that's a complete outlier, ain't it.

[slow sky]

it was a fgs melee psyker

[umbral scaffold]

How the heckers am I meant to use the plasma gun? Just spam shot in general direction of enemy?

[hybrid plover]

... I mean I guess they're using Scrier's

[slow sky]

aim for the head
left click

[hybrid plover]

That's. A start.

[slow sky]

im not even trying to be sarcastic

thats literally all you do

[atomic void]

well its a gun

u tap heads

ez clap

[slow sky]

the more enemies that are on the straight line your crosshair is pointing the better

[hybrid plover]

Don't charge it.

First mistake is ever thinking right clicking on plasma is a good idea.

[tall torrent]

Hipfire
Point at head of gunner, shotgunner, reaper, flamer, bomber, trapper

Done

Most other enemies not worth spending ammo on

[livid hill]

does reciprocity not work with dodging ranged attacks

nvm figured it ouit

[umbral scaffold]

Legends, Cheers for the advice

[tall torrent]

it depends

[livid hill]

jawohl i read this lol

i get why gunners arent allowed but i wonder why sniper

those arent ridiculously hard to dodge but its not particularly easy either

[tall torrent]

[steel veldt]

I can't believe assault chainsword lights DO NOT dismember like Evis lights...

[tall torrent]

wait till u find out that arb maul has worse gore than shock maul

[steel veldt]

What

[tall torrent]

yea

[steel veldt]

????

We need a gore overhaul

[south spindle]

Better Smite tbh, because you can continue doing Arb DPS

[tame lodge]

Nope

Because

Why would you set a mine down

When your melee already does what it does

But better

[calm shard]

huh

[tame lodge]

At least smite has the decency to kill

[atomic void]

to lockdown the bulwark blockade

[tame lodge]

And I mean base smite

[south spindle]

It doesnt tho, you can lock down a like 15 Crushers all at once if you need to. Also Smite is only killy if you have Shriek, otherwise is giga ass

[tame lodge]

Nope

Mine stays up for 12 seconds

At best half health poxxers

Smite takes 8 seconds to kill poxxers

💀

[atomic void]

u dont throw a mine to lockdown poxxers

[hybrid plover]

"High crit chance for playing the game right." lol

[tame lodge]

And Smite locks down mutants and busters

[south spindle]

Sure, but again, you can continue to do Arb DPS when its placed...

[tame lodge]

Or you could have a better blitz

And melee those guys

[atomic void]

true i prefer insta kabooms

but mines are very strong

[tame lodge]

Like dog booms

Those are shocking

[atomic void]

insta kabooms better

[south spindle]

I mean, yes, you could just take impact grenades and just delete everything, but saying mines are worse than Smite? Yikes

[tame lodge]

But they are

Worse ttk

Can't lock muties and bursters

[south spindle]

They're not there for DPS

[tame lodge]

Worse range

Worse availability

[atomic void]

mine down
1000 crushers locked
beat their ass
they dead

[tall torrent]

yea and for agile engagement I wrote "high & reliable dmg bonus for playing the game right"

[south spindle]

Noooo, you've got to lock down poxies with them

[tame lodge]

smite
1000 crushers
22 seconds
1000 crushers dead

💀

But nah
Mine better because they don't do damage

💀

[south spindle]

They don't stop you doing damage either

[tame lodge]

See so why use mines

💀

[hybrid plover]

I mean it's completely true.

[atomic void]

to safely beat up things

[tame lodge]

But your melee is already safe

Since you're Arbites

[atomic void]

i use my melee to beat up the immobilized enemy

[tame lodge]

A thousand impact bonuses

[south spindle]

22s to kill a Crusher, meanwhile, something comes behind you and smashes your skull in because you're sat there holding Smite down

[hollow ibex]

Tbf mines have really funny interactions with forceful right now

[south spindle]

Or a trapper shows up

[south spindle]

Also yes

[atomic void]

infinite speed

[tame lodge]

You know you can dodge right

[atomic void]

its so goofy

[tame lodge]

💀

[south spindle]

Mind you, literally everything impacts Forceful stacks at the moment

[atomic void]

show them the clip

[tame lodge]

Smh abusing unintended interactions

Thought you were better than that

[hollow ibex]

It’s compensation for breaking EO

[atomic void]

its ok they will fix it and brick the keystone then take multiple months to fix it

[tame lodge]

💀

[hollow ibex]

Hey I don’t even use mines

[tame lodge]

Good because they are shit

💀

[south spindle]

Even after they fix EO, they're probably gonna nerf it a month later

[atomic void]

good

its kinda too good

[south spindle]

I agree 😄

[tame lodge]

No idea how Fatshark manage to make worse smite

But there you go

[hybrid plover]

Tbf I dont even think EO should exist to begin with.

[tame lodge]

Shock Mine

[atomic void]

insta kabooms with bolt pistol lethal prox = peak

[tame lodge]

💀

[south spindle]

Nah, not really

[south spindle]

Impact nades damage over the course of the game is just fucking massive

So fun

[tame lodge]

Well as I keep saying that the dog is the best part of Arbites

[atomic void]

its funny how the dog is the one of the main selling points but i prefer having the nades on demand over the dog lmao

[tame lodge]

Dog Boom>>>>>>

[atomic void]

its not even about power level

i just like insta kabooms

[livid hill]

does onslaught apply to the follow up damage of melee weapons like the chainaxe

[covert fable]

Make kraks impact pls

[atomic void]

kraks by design are not impact nades

[hybrid plover]

Yes, let's give the abrasively overpowered class anti-specialist and elite properties. You know, the enemy types other classes may need to focus on to actually play their class properly

Great idea Obesefish

[atomic void]

mad cause bad!

[hollow ibex]

EO should be given to vet

[tame lodge]

Kraks honestly should have better AoE damage

[south spindle]

It would make more sense on Vet tbh

[tame lodge]

Because damn it's hits hard

[hybrid plover]

Honestly, agreed.

[tame lodge]

It shouldn't fall off that hard

[hybrid plover]

It makes more sense anyway.

[atomic void]

every class needs to kill elites and specialists to utilize stuff

i dont get the point

[south spindle]

Even funnier, Marksman's Focus would make more sense on Arb' because MKIII shotgun spread

I mean it would still be bad, but it would also be very easy to leverage

[atomic void]

i mean the keystones are clearly following a theme and EO makes sense thematically

arbeetus are elite at tracking down targets hence the wallhacks

[tame lodge]

Don't worry
By 2030 every class will have a bounty hunter type of ability

[atomic void]

by 2030 aint nobody will be playing

[tame lodge]

"Kill the marked target to insta kill everything around it"

[atomic void]

in 5 years the only people playing are jim and jimmy running ultra giga modifed havoc 1000000

[livid hill]

ty

[tame lodge]

Peak 0.00001%

Super elitist ²

When the class is so mid they have a worse smite

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[atomic void]

agreed arbeetus is mid pls buff

[frigid shuttle]

I still play VT2 from time to time.

[tame lodge]

Heeeey I already said why buffs wouldn't change it from being mid

[frigid shuttle]

7 years after launch

[tame lodge]

[frigid shuttle]

although dt launched november 2022...

so maybe in november 2029, nobody plays

[tame lodge]

Damn it's been 7 years already huh

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-gif-4679601

I only wished it wasn't P2P

I have good connection

And that still doesn't warrant a good P2P experience

[unreal nova]

Enjoy 800-1200 ping still.

[tame lodge]

[atomic void]

p2p is better than whateve tf they're using for DT

[unreal nova]

That's to Australia.

[tame lodge]

I'm a low frame rate gamer
Not a high ping gamer

[unreal nova]

Seen 3-4k to US.

Just a teleport fest till DC.

[frigid shuttle]

never seen more than lik 80 in eu

[unreal nova]

Try both high ping and low FPS.

[unreal nova]

VT2 is dead in SEA for most parts.

You wanna play with not bots, Australia is closest.

[frigid shuttle]

just get your friends to play

[unreal nova]

They are in EU.

[frigid shuttle]

move

[unreal nova]

So 3-4k ping.

[frigid shuttle]

[unreal nova]

Willing to send me a million euros for that?

.-.

[hybrid plover]

God general chat really is cooked

[austere mica]

Always has been

[frigid shuttle]

just get an education for a job that is in demand in the eu and recruiters will be scraping at your linkedin inbox

[tame lodge]

It got worse recently

Although I do agree that Blight Spreads sucks

And it keeps coming back

Now watch as Fatshark comes back from vacations

Reset Havoc

And states that they are removing blight

Just for it to come back

UNANNOUNCED

https://tenor.com/view/incrediboy-incredibles-poster-throw-syndrome-gif-17947237037189380740

[hybrid plover]

I just don't understand this insistence to keep Blight in the game

I have not seen a soul. A slither of corporeal conscience that has spoken any good of Blight.

[covert fable]

it do look good in the dark

[hybrid plover]

Commissar

This one right here.

[tame lodge]

Can't wait for Blight Spreads Warp Rift

[tall torrent]

be host

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/rapunzel-upset-at-flynn-tangled-rapunzel-mad-smolder-tangled-rapunzel-mad-rapunzel-mad-tangled-flynn-and-rapunzel-smolder-gif-7891589762774508165

[unreal nova]

Only skill I have is accidentally breaking things.

[atomic void]

https://tenor.com/view/habib-nurmagomedov-habib-ufc-champion-mcgregor-gif-1801599353476225821

[unreal nova]

Zealots have 2.5 builds now. Lul.

[tame lodge]

Fuck blight

It's not hard
It's annoying

[hybrid plover]

The build sucking for anything but being a corruption healer

[fossil lake]

Get ambushed by waves of poxwalkers and dregs
Mysterious Voice: Is this all that can be expected of the Moebian 6th?

What did they mean by this?

[covert fable]

Noooo

[unreal nova]

But BLIGHT.

Try blight mission without a beacon zealot.

Pain.

[hybrid plover]

Me, @covert fable and @sonic kayak did

It was awful.

It wasn't even that bad. Just the fucking blight constantly chipping our health.

[covert fable]

it is not good to step on

[unreal nova]

Yes, and then you hit final wound and be blinded.

[south spindle]

Imagine blight and the auric blight thing thats the current event together 😄

[red portal]

Gas and piss all in one bonanza

[covert fable]

Why not just stack every modifier atp

[south spindle]

I mean.. those two would make sense together

It would be hell, but it would make sense

Just have the elite enemies explode into puddles and gas rather than every little greebly exploding into puddles

[covert fable]

Imagine a Halloween event where its just flames

That'd be so fucked

[fossil lake]

I finally got a 420 curio

+1 wound

[covert fable]

I just realised

Is this game p2p

Because that might explain the lag issues

[red portal]

No it has dedicated servers

[covert fable]

ah

[hollow ibex]

Vermintide was p2p

Thought dedicated servers would fix the stupid problems but no lol

[hybrid plover]

okay this is a build i need to try in havoc

the trick to using serrated shovel, is abandoning the meta entirely.....

[surreal rune]

got a 400 stamina curio

[tall torrent]

might as well play serrated power sword

[hybrid plover]

but that's not as fun

[tame lodge]

Saw one in the wild recently

[hybrid plover]

plus it doesn't have uncanny so it's kinda redundant

[tame lodge]

💀

[covert fable]

Mercy killer + serated combat knife is the juice

[covert fable]

Is it a +3

[frigid shuttle]

need 410

[tall torrent]

using serrated + uncanny to do less dmg than a single power sword energized atk

[tame lodge]

The Bleed propaganda has become stronger as of lately

https://tenor.com/view/incrediboy-incredibles-poster-throw-syndrome-gif-17947237037189380740

[hybrid plover]

you do know bleed's like, not bad at all, right

like as a whole

not even talkin about lacerate either

[tame lodge]

Oh no it's bad

Frag is good

But basically needs 2 frags

For something to happen

[hybrid plover]

what

h-have you ever seen somebody with a flechette build

fuckers can outdamage a purge psyker on a good day

[tame lodge]

Yeah

Because of Manstopper

💀

[hybrid plover]

well yeah

[tame lodge]

See?

[hybrid plover]

but you need the bleed for it to do that

[tame lodge]

It's always bleed + something

It's never just bleed

[hybrid plover]

well of course bleed on its own isn't inherently the best thing ever

[tame lodge]

See?

[hybrid plover]

it's the application of it with something else. but there's a lot of things like that

[tame lodge]

Like Fire and Soulblaze

That are better dots

💀

[hybrid plover]

yes, fire a dot that is not as accessible, and soulblaze, a dot that is exclusively for one class

what's the point

[frigid shuttle]

buff bleed

[tame lodge]

That bleed is not good

💀

It's always bleed + something

[hybrid plover]

but you usually want the bleed for that something to work

it's not great on its own

that's a given

[lost pumice]

yo is there any tips on doing on overwatch penace?

[tame lodge]

It's melee health damage

Always be at 100% toughness

[tame lodge]

SEE?!?!?!?!

[lost pumice]

actually?

so i can take toughness dmg but health will just ruin my run?

[tame lodge]

Yeah
So always be at 100% toughness

Gold toughness might help

[fossil lake]

Did it on arbites recently. Just do lowest diff possible and play cautiously with shield lol

[tame lodge]

Wrong Penance 💀

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/5GJafuU i luv you helbore

[tame lodge]

Bosco, come here

🗣️

[surreal rune]

unfortunately

(fake)

[covert fable]

That sucks

you need that 420

[calm shard]

when do we get a character ability that's a big ass gun anyways

make exe stance a long las your veteran pulls out of their ass

[frigid shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/omori-hollow-relatable-feeling-i-know-that-feel-all-too-well-gif-23021045

[covert fable]

noooo spare Sgt Tim 😭😭😭

[tame lodge]

Always Griiiiimniiiiiiiiir

It's the right thing to do

[lost pumice]

alright thanx

[surreal rune]

is there any mod that reduces
muzzle flash

specifically on the recon lasgun

it gives me a headache

[surreal rune]

also the visual trail of my own lasers

[distant mural]

Embrace headache. Revel in your epileptic shock.

[tall torrent]

I can help u

[lost pumice]

im min mid mission rn

mid*

[tall torrent]

ok lemme know when ur done

[tame lodge]

Path, I just 5 hits the ||Undying Emperor||

Most balanced RT fight yet

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[frigid shuttle]

that's owlcat games for you

Kingmaker and WotR were similarly balanced

[lost pumice]

ok i'm done

im duoing with my friend

4 peps

train mission is on nwop

so

how are we gonna do this

[tall torrent]

ok send FS code

[lost pumice]

what is a fs code

xd

[tall torrent]

go to social

add friend

there's a number

click that

send it here

[lost pumice]

4912572893

how are coms or fuck it we ball

[tall torrent]

it's ez

basically

[lost pumice]

ok

[tall torrent]

u jump off map at start

I speedrun mission

and u never get revived

[lost pumice]

xd

thank you very much, i get to hear my friend making fun of me for 10 mins straight

[midnight wyvern]

whats the usual blessing choices on hellbore? I like the look of armour bane but I have a feeling its no respite/sustained fire as the choice

[barren cave]

I think it's weight of fire on two of the marks and surgical on all marks

[hybrid plover]

woah

didn't mean to respond to that but uh

surgical + wof on mk4 usually

and surgical + whatever on the others since they don't necessarily need wof

honestly, not even the mk4 really needs it but it's nice to have

[tall torrent]

Maniac
Unyielding
Surgical
WoF / hotshot / sustained fire

[hybrid plover]

i personally opt for hot shot as the second blessing pretty much all the time

[midnight wyvern]

[hybrid plover]

because i like melee vet and it helps a lot

[midnight wyvern]

blessed be the bath

[hybrid plover]

also if you do go hot shot

go hot shot 1

not 4

[midnight wyvern]

didn't someone do some testing on hotshot and it was better on 1?

yeah

that

[tall torrent]

It’s bugged atm

Don’t know when they’ll fix it

[midnight wyvern]

so the 4 is the old 3?

slower charge better against carapace?

why they change the names

3a is old 2?

[hybrid plover]

i honestly hope they don't pay attention to it

because then i worry they'll fix the uh

little quirk it has

[tall torrent]

they should

same goes for puncture

[hybrid plover]

okay if they do, they should at least give vet a damn cleave node somewhere

[tall torrent]

who said I want the apply to all attacks part fixed

[hybrid plover]

nice to see we're on the same page then

but my worry is that if they do pay attention to that, they'll also decide to fix the melee attack cleave thing too even if honestly, i really don't think vet needs to lose that

since it's on a weapon that basically screams for you to have a weapon with good horde control

[barren cave]

They should just buff vet like a lot

And remove a lot of the tax

[hybrid plover]

they are

[midnight wyvern]

tree rework next big bang

[hybrid plover]

in the next five years

[midnight wyvern]

[hybrid plover]

minimum

[midnight wyvern]

zealot is probably next in reworks, then vet

so eventually

[tall torrent]

tbh I think that should be a talent
and just the current x50% mass one

not as a blessing

[hybrid plover]

agreed

honestly i think every class should have a cleave talent at this point

[tall torrent]

no

[barren cave]

Speaking of the next 5 years, when's the next patch lol

[hybrid plover]

the only ones that dont are zealot and vet tho

[tall torrent]

in the next 2 months ur getting a supposedly large content drop and can wait for another large update within 2 months

rn we're in drought szn

[barren cave]

No as in

Hotfix

[hybrid plover]

at this point it might as well just be all classes so there's some equilibrium there. it's, honestly really baffling that zealot doesn't have one actually but i figure that's gonna change with the rework

[barren cave]

For arby

[hybrid plover]

allegedly

tomorrow

we're getting

[barren cave]

[hybrid plover]

a date for the hotfix

an announcement

for the announcement

[barren cave]

😩

[austere mica]

When was patch 13

[hybrid plover]

by the emperor, fatshark has done it again

[tall torrent]

wats the source

[tall torrent]

Oct08 2023

[austere mica]

Fuck

[hybrid plover]

honestly that was being touted in the general chat

why i said "allegedly"

i dont know if its even true

[barren cave]

Gen chat

[austere mica]

General chat sucks I wouldn’t trust that as far as I could even attempt to throw it

[normal bay]

Kitefin said we had news "coming soon"

That's it to my knowledge

[hybrid plover]

wait was it or

[barren cave]

I hope they remove rotten armor soon, I'm tired of it now

[austere mica]

Zealot tree is getting close to its third birthday

[tall torrent]

it is going away in like a day

[hybrid plover]

okay no it's in the arby chat

[barren cave]

Do the events get instantly replaced with new ones

[tall torrent]

no they just leave lol

[barren cave]

I dunno if the fire event had a gap after

Prob did

[midnight wyvern]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f9f8371-af36-4989-a178-89aa4b97bc66/pathing-pain
tell me where I did bad chat

[tall torrent]

I think after they come back from vacation they'll be marketing for new content in next major patch

[midnight wyvern]

never used WS outside of when trees were first reworked lol

[tall torrent]

having a duelling sword

[hybrid plover]

dueling sword with helbore is certainly one of the choices of All Time

™

[midnight wyvern]

just what I had equipped lol

[hybrid plover]

it's not a great idea

[tall torrent]

taking top left

[hybrid plover]

also, taking always prepared

[midnight wyvern]

Caxe is prob meat

[tall torrent]

skipping shock trooper

[hybrid plover]

and not shocktroop

[tall torrent]

skipping iron will

but taking 25% ammo

[normal bay]

Remove longshit and exhilarating takedown for iron will + demo team.

Done

[hybrid plover]

build's kinda cooked, ngl

[tall torrent]

is this troll

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[normal bay]

Smokes are eating up your points too

[tall torrent]

nah still cooked

[midnight wyvern]

[normal bay]

I noticed the lack of shocktroop too late lol

[hybrid plover]

you asked and we answered, yeah this could really do with some work

[normal bay]

Swap always prepared for shock trooper

So much better

[calm shard]

vacation drought how will darktide players survive

[midnight wyvern]

I mean I dunno, its why I asked

[tall torrent]

I started a new rogue trader playthrough

[midnight wyvern]

I've done the same build on vet for 200 levels, am brainrotted

[hybrid plover]

well, first things first, dueling sword is no bueno with helbore

[tall torrent]

It made me switch my vet drip to rogue trader

[hybrid plover]

you need something that can control hordes better

[tall torrent]

Nah

[calm shard]

I've been playing Titan Quest 2 lmao

[tall torrent]

I think he’s trying to build for havoc?

[tall torrent]

this fit for vet unironically goes hard

[midnight wyvern]

wouldn't be a terrible plan

[midnight wyvern]

thats so close to mine haha

[hybrid plover]

i mean i would be using like

idk

[hybrid plover]

power sword maybe

i'd go shovel but i'm weird so

[tall torrent]

shovel is for people who gaslight themselves

[hybrid plover]

well i'm a professional gaslighter

but real talk, i feel something that's just better at controlling a horde fits helbore more. dueling sword is great single target but leaves something to be desired in that regard from my experience

also, helbore is a unique case where you honestly, don't really need survivalist. so you can actually mess around with the other blitz but going smoke and then all the way to survivalist is taxing your build a ton

[tall torrent]

wat are u trying to build for

auric or havoc

[frank basin]

My friend once go shovel because krieg joke

[normal bay]

I feel the same, you take Helbore to shoot the entire mission, may as well take something to get rid of the trash asap lol

[midnight wyvern]

both

I'd like to vet more in Havoc as the only thing I feel comfortable not letting people down on is Arb and Psyker and variety is the spice of not getting bored

[tame lodge]

1 is 3a
2 is 5
3 is 4

Got it?

[hybrid plover]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f9f8f7a-1c0d-4d39-8dad-7e75c9cf9c6e/power-helbore-2

that's what i've taken into h40 before if you're looking to go the havoc route. only thing is that power sword is a little clunky to use but ws helps with that

[tall torrent]

helbore 3a + power sword 6

[hybrid plover]

literally the same thing i made but you have twinned blast instead of the stam delay node

fuhnee

twinned blast is genuinely great for havoc though

it's just a matter of preference on that

[midnight wyvern]

meat

[midnight wyvern]

yeah looking forward to try it with WS

did not like PS much without it

[hybrid plover]

a suggestion also when you use helbore with ws

if you wanna take good advantage of that guaranteed crit for helbore, switch to it but immediately press left click to start charging the shot as you draw it

since you don't need surgical stacks to get your crit on the first shot after you activate range specialist, you can just hip fire to get a quick charged shot off

[midnight wyvern]

oh

big brain

TY

[hybrid plover]

welcome

[steep flower]

Btw i think you can stagger a rager mid combo with the shovel path; hammerblow & deci

Played in h40

[steep flower]

Cause without it its a mobility trap; no cc on the weapon itself - 1 stray blow from chaf and its a chain reaction

[steep flower]

It sounds good on paper and it will work if you try but imo its not for helbore (despite insane swap speed buffs it got + one motion); hipfire is not accurate that much on helbore especially on the move

[steep flower]

Could be better

The WS 6 talent ‘tax’ to make PS better primarily is oof; hot take but imo WS is for some build making a trap

[deep sparrow]

hello guys

do you have any fun builds for veteran class and is it possible to send skill trees? cause i don't have any 🙁

[steep flower]

You wanna Havoc? I can help you out & show things; just unblock me & we may find time

[tall torrent]

that is an unhealthy level of effort while trading away 2 of the strongest blessings in the game

[steep flower]

It is still an option

[mortal aspen]

double barrel + your choice of melee

[steep flower]

Especially if you could use serrated blade talent

[deep sparrow]

thank you

[steep flower]

To compensate for lower dmg

[steep flower]

Its alright; i wish agile engagement would not be where it is

[mortal aspen]

yea same

[steep flower]

Btw you don’t need uncanny on mk 3; only on 1

[heavy rover]

Here's my build that I run for havoc, there's a lot of flexibility in it so feel free to make changes as you see fit https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-havoc

[steep flower]

Very solid

[tall torrent]

not a good one

[steep flower]

Until you try it you won’t know

[hot crag]

Isn't field improvisation > twin blast?

[tame lodge]

"Battle of the Mid"

That being said

There's only 4 deployables around the map

While twin blast is just gambling with grenades

[unreal nova]

Luck basically. And I rather a crate be a clutch box than me rolling 55 times before a twinned.

[calm shard]

both are luck based

twinned blast is a 20% chance to save on throwing a 2nd grenade to wipe the crowd

[unreal nova]

More like 2%.

[calm shard]

field improv is praying that your team will both find all the crates, and actually get value out of field improv's unique benefits when (if) they use it

[tame lodge]

Woops sorry
Scripture side quest

[hot crag]

Well for me field improvisation is goated, I had a H40 with double DH ritual glitch, the second one spawned and the medicrate* carried us bcuz all my team where at last non corrupted wound

[tall torrent]

twinned blast is incredibly strong in havoc

u could take both if u rly wanted to?

drop marksman prob

[hot crag]

To many tax nodes 😭

[barren cave]

how do you build ws with shredder nades

and like demo team and stuff

[normal bay]

60s regen and demo team

[barren cave]

yeah but, do you take shout or infil, because its a lil tight

with smoke nades its easy to build shout and ws

[normal bay]

The only thing I don't take shout with is bolter tbh lol

And occasionally revolver

[steep flower]

It is

[steep flower]

Scavenge more rather than speedrunning the map; this game is not a racing one

[steep flower]

Mah man knows whats good; i approve

[calm shard]

my brother in christ if you do not move forward in havoc the game will spam bosses at you

until you die

[normal bay]

Could always skip survivalist if you don't need it, it'll save a couple of nodes

[barren cave]

i intend to

[steep flower]

Its a chance; if your team struggles againts 1 boss then you need to get atleast 1 person who can deal with them proper; i noticed that main reason ppl lose in havoc are;
Poor positioning
Rushing
Lack of boss dmg
Poor resource management
Lack of CC

[steep flower]

Never do

[calm shard]

for me the main reason is "holy fuck nobody wants to frontline or kill specialists"

[normal bay]

You don't need it in Auric and below

[barren cave]

teams just gonna have to cope

[steep flower]

Inb4 you had no proper frontliner cause you picked such teammates yourself; you are your worst enemy after all

[calm shard]

I would love nothing more than to exe vet in pub havocs and annihilate every boss, specialist, and elite on the map

but nobody knows how to play melee

[steep flower]

Not in havoc; trust me

[calm shard]

so if I don't they just get rolled over by poxwalkers and ragers

[normal bay]

The joys of DT pubs

[barren cave]

not in havoc yeah, all these rumbler ogryns and half havoc ammo

[steep flower]

I dont use exec and kill bosses easily; exec needs some love cause it falls short

[calm shard]

I use exec not to just kill bosses easily

I use it to kill them instantly

[brittle turret]

They're somehow everywhere and nowhere at the same time

It's quite interesting

[steep flower]

I mean in lover havoc ppl are pepega but in highier you’ll see

[normal bay]

Rumblers pretty efficient if you play it smart dont carpet bomb the entire map

You get a free shot every 9 melee kills

[barren cave]

i dont play rumber efficiently, I just carpet bomb everything except pox hordes

[calm shard]

it's like the force greatsword but ogryn

[steep flower]

What i said; poor resource management

[barren cave]

i think i had a phase where I was so sick of no one shooting snipers I started shooting them with rumbler directly

[steep flower]

Its an option

I do that too from time 2 time

[steep flower]

Btw what havoc lv you have? Have you tried that chadsword build?

[barren cave]

im at like 20

[steep flower]

Need a help in climbing up?

[barren cave]

i dont wanna go higher, it takes too long to find groups

most of the time I still play auric mortis or auric mael

[steep flower]

On the contrary; it all depends on the time of the day

[barren cave]

yeah but i aint got time to like

schedule havoc games

[steep flower]

I dont either i just sit & play

[barren cave]

i just log in , play like 3 or 4 games, then log off, or play something else

[tame lodge]

Fucking goo

😭

Had a woops all Ragers moment earlier today

[barren cave]

also I find vet hard even on auric mael

[tame lodge]

We couldn't move forwards because goo

[brittle turret]

I'm being ill. "Exe"? Only thing that comes to mind is execution order 🤔

[tall torrent]

not for havoc

[steep flower]

Executioners Stance

[brittle turret]

Ah

Ah. I see. Interesting.

[normal bay]

If you don't need it

IE, not the mode with restricted ammo

[steep flower]

Go back 2 bed & heal up

[brittle turret]

I want to give that a go actually. Fuck the gold toughness, I go BRR

I only for 5 1/2 today

Ooo it's lunch time though

[steep flower]

It’s not the goldy that makes VoC good… its the Stagger

[barren cave]

main problem i have with vet is just melee , i feel like psword and duelling sword are like the only options

and psword special spam gets boring to play after a bit

[steep flower]

I can show you that thats not the case

[barren cave]

rn though, im using taxe and agri shotgun

thats muchhh better

[calm shard]

Okay go run VoC without gold toughness in randoms and report back with your findings

[steep flower]

I actually did, one of my friends did too long time ago in havoc 1.0 where ranged units were cancer and we had no complains; its the mindset

[tall torrent]

this is not the case

[barren cave]

im using taxe

i like that better

i like it into cara too tbh

[tall torrent]

tac axe buff is alr

still a B tier melee most of the time

good on arb tho

on arb I think top5

[calm shard]

I like taxe on exe vet. Mostly because of immense fatigue towards the heavy sword and power sword

[steep flower]

Lemme guess; chadsword is bottom for arby

[steep flower]

And cause its a great defensive weapon

[brittle turret]

Unfortunately stagger doesn't prevent my teammates from inhaling the gas from a tox bomber chucking nades behind two walls and doing bank shots

[tall torrent]

chainsword is actually ok on arb

[steep flower]

Ik; but the tier list man

[tall torrent]

arb so op he makes chainsword actually playable

worst prob the regular shock maul?

[steep flower]

Ik! I did preach about it for some time now

[barren cave]

probably a combat or tac axe mark is lol

[steep flower]

Nah

[tall torrent]

top 5 are arb maul, crusher, rashad, maul&shield and tac axe

then chainsword prob

then shock maul

I personally don't rly see a point in shock maul when the competition is this good

[barren cave]

isnt that true for like..cs as well

[steep flower]

Ekhem arby maul Ekhem

[barren cave]

what makes cs better than regular shock maul

[tall torrent]

arb maul is in there at the top.

[barren cave]

they should give arb flamer

[tall torrent]

if u run forceful + BTL path u can actually break rager combo

takes like 2 light atks

which is not "good" but it's better than nothing

[steep flower]

I was referring to basically the same weapon despite being separate

[tall torrent]

also u can basically skip wrath on chainsword for arb

because push +75% cleave and forceful +50% cleave

it's good enough most of the time

so u can run smth like shred + bloodletter

[steep flower]

I don’t use push talent for chadsword cause i don’t use XIIIg

If 13 then absolutely

[barren cave]

next build im gonna try for arby is bolt pistol with lone wolf impact nade spam

[steep flower]

Its autistic; use crusher with it

[barren cave]

yeah that sounds good

[tall torrent]

and because this is a legit setup for chainsword on arb

[steep flower]

Cause its explosion is affected by lethal prox (not that it matters much)

[sudden cedar]

Crusher is a good weapon

[tall torrent]

and chainsword already does the void shield shredding part

[steep flower]

Ikr; ppl sleep on bloodletter

[tall torrent]

I don't see a point in using shock maul for the special

and shock maul is NOWHERE as good as crusher for using skullcrusher

[barren cave]

ive used the old shock maul like twice

on zealot

i dont even remember its combos

seemed ok

youve got better options

[sudden cedar]

It is an alright weapon

But here lies the problem

An alright weapon is not "good enough"

[barren cave]

h sword was pretty nice

I just ended up preferring the combat and taxe more

[steep flower]

I personally run wrath; it’s a crime that chadsword has 1.1 weakspot & crit multi while mauls have 1.15…

[sudden cedar]

I hope you did not use the Achlys Combat Axe.

[barren cave]

no

i only use one mark on both axes

rashad on caxe and mk7 i think on taxe

[steep flower]

Good

[tame lodge]

And of course the footage is corrupted

[south spindle]

That is why I play Catachan Sword on Psyker lol

Get demolished by 30 Ragers or proc so much PC everything else dies?

[sudden cedar]

@tame lodge I'll eventually do that fight myself with a Bladedancer. This should be fun.

[tame lodge]

Bro got his ass beat so hard by my RT that he corrupted my footage

💀

[sudden cedar]

Sad.

[tame lodge]

Supposed to be gimmicky but Pyromancer melee shenanigans just said nah

[sudden cedar]

Exactly.

Pyromancer Bladedancer Psyker is something else.

Simply built differently.

[steep flower]

Nope; surgical always and then depending on what you use;
Weight of Fire for Mk 4
Hot Shot for Mk 3 or 5; its for melee mostly, use tier 1 not tier 4 blessing
Falter for Mk3; it has good stagger breakpoints (personal favourite, best imo)

[south spindle]

T1 of Hotshot is actually broken, performing way better than it should be

[steep flower]

Yeah its oof; needs some major tweaks

[steep flower]

What i typed

[pseudo fiber]

Hotshot 1 will have been bugged for an entire year next month

[sonic kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-introduce-myself-flirty-gif-14587078

[tame lodge]

Ah

So just like Chained Deathblow

https://tenor.com/view/incrediboy-incredibles-poster-throw-syndrome-gif-17947237037189380740

[calm shard]

how

what about All or Nothing how long has that one been bugged

[steep flower]

Me 2 me 2!

[heavy rover]

I personally like armourbane on the mk III so I can be helpful to my teammates

[sudden cedar]

Who here can't melee? What?

[viscid sparrow]

btw, which perk would be better on Graia Brauto: crit chance, or the good old Flak + Maniac combo? (I am trying to decide whether to swap out Maniacs or Flak out for crit chance, seeing as Graia seems to have the highest priority for crits in terms of Brautos...?)

[normal bay]

That would be the randoms

[sudden cedar]

Probably.

Those recon-las only veterans

[tall torrent]

sustained fire better
armorbane just not good unfortunately

[tall torrent]

maniac + flak

braced autogun not good at crit

[steep flower]

I would opt for maniac & flak; its a solid choice

[swift jolt]

I’m not sure Loose Cannon knows how to spell half the words she just spouted

[steep flower]

Can speak & understand them tho; thats good enough

[sudden cedar]

Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

[swift jolt]

Fem Loose Cannon has to one of the best voices in the game

[viscid sparrow]

thx. I guess the fact I insist on making Graia Brauto work, rather than just going for the Agri one, was my first mistake (I keep wasting a whole mag to kill a single gunner/sniper from midrange, because of the braced spread on the Graia getting better too late... and I don't wanna waste Exec Stance just to kill one sniper/gunner...)

[heavy rover]

Interesting, I'll give that a try then

[steep flower]

Male one 2

[sudden cedar]

She's just a perpetual slacker

[tall torrent]

it's up really often cuz most of the time ur shooting at a few targets then maybe swap off ADS or go into melee

[unreal nova]

Resonates much.

[unreal nova]

Fem is more gremlin.

[sudden cedar]

And a shirker too

She'd scamper if she could

[unreal nova]

Just do enough, right? Let everyone else do the heavy lifting.

[sudden cedar]

Yup

And have fun while doing it

Maybe do some racketeering too

[unreal nova]

Resonates much.

[steep flower]

Shes like a rat and since you’re a crat i’m not surprised you like her

[unreal nova]

Excuse me. I'm just a cat. Glares.

[sudden cedar]

She's a Skaven in disguise.

[unreal nova]

AM NAWT!

[sudden cedar]

Sounds like someone is in denial.

[steep flower]

I mean… you are a cat… with a very distinguished rodent features

[unreal nova]

Nope. Just a cat.

[sudden cedar]

Exactly what a Skaven would say.

[unreal nova]

There's only one serious Skaven here, and he's Foolish.

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bOVEO.gif

[steep flower]

Rats are more squishy

I like petting ratties

[unreal nova]

Then go pat him. I'm a cat.

[steep flower]

I was about to say i will pat you

[sudden cedar]

Time to burn, Ratties. - Sienna Fuegonasus

[steep flower]

pat pat

[unreal nova]

Doesn't change the fact I'm a cat.

[steep flower]

Still soft

[unreal nova]

Yes, well, IDK really. Still.

[sonic kayak]

"Cats, cats, we're the cats" doesn't have the same ring to it as "Rats, rats, we're the rats"

[sonic kayak]

Karien you are a rat, I'm sorry

But as the best Psyker ever alive, you can be whoever you want

[unreal nova]

I am not. I am a cat.

[sonic kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXQwx1EolD8

[unreal nova]

Also, stop listening to Chaos. I'm a vet main.

[sonic kayak]

Genuinely no idea who that is

[void dragon]

Katien is a skaven rodent with a trenchcoat and neko ears?! You can't believe anything this days

What's next? Kairen is secretly a Psyker main?

[unreal nova]

Why are you on their side?

[barren cave]

do yall like prefer to hold the inferno staff rmb for as long as possible or hold it for a lil bit and release in short bursts and then repeat

[void dragon]

One has to challenge even the felinid dream to be safe in this cruel world deprived of Krak sandwiches

[unreal nova]

If I'm a psyker, no more kraks.

[void dragon]

Truly the most grimdark of possibilities

[steep flower]

I prefer short bursts

[steep flower]

Brain ruptures tho

[void dragon]

Kairen do has that power with her capacity to carry

[steep flower]

Yup; she blows my mind

[void dragon]

"but friendly fire is not on!"
"That's how good sparkhead she is"

[unreal nova]

What is with oggy mains thinking I have that?

[void dragon]

Sparkhead use brain to krump things, karien smart, Ermo: Karien iz sparkhead

[plain osprey]

Kariens true superpower is taking online compliments well 🙃😅🤭

[void dragon]

She very per-pen...dicular

[unreal nova]

What is that logic?

[void dragon]

Ogryn logic, Ermo: the best there is

[barren cave]

what map do yall think is the absolute hardest

[void dragon]

The one where the zealot and Arby rush and don't help the team

[unreal nova]

Thing is, I don't get half the accusations or pokes. Most aren't facts.

[sonic kayak]

Oggy mains? Where?

[barren cave]

i think silo cluster might be the hardest for me tbh

[plain osprey]

Fair enough. At the end of the day, you can Ctrl+ delete 90 percent of the things you hear on the Internet anyway

[void dragon]

Karien is the most humble Vet-aura-carry main with sparkhead powers and delicious Krak nades you can find

[barren cave]

I think id rank power matrix and silo cluster the hardest maps for me personally, now that I think about it

[unreal nova]

They'll remind you days later.

[plain osprey]

Hate that mission with a passion

[plain osprey]

True. Fortunately the block button exists

[sonic kayak]

She plays Vet when she just wants a challenge

She's a Psyker main through and through

[barren cave]

I feel like the torrent just has such an annoying bunch of shooters everywhere during silo cluster

[sonic kayak]

They say she was the one who designed the class

I think she did a decent job tbh

[unreal nova]

That's only used on ppl I really hate or are total arsehats so no.

[void dragon]

I will take this as a fact of truth from the Emphrur itself

[normal bay]

Gloriana or Chasm Logistratum for me

[unreal nova]

WDYM? Is the reverse.

[sonic kayak]

No need to be so humble, Karien

It's okay

[atomic void]

fellow arsehats

[sonic kayak]

We appreciate your contribution to the game

[barren cave]

gloriana isnt super easy, but its so much fun

[sonic kayak]

Every day you are here actively makes the game easier to deal with

[void dragon]

Lies, otherwise why you no Arby simp? Because you hunger for challenge like we hunger for rashuns, Ermo: Karien GOAT

[sonic kayak]

The problem is your average pubber doesn't understand spawns or even thinks beyond pressing forward

The biggest issue with the first event is just people not clearing out the room

Like brother you have a whole walkway of patrols to deal with, when they decide to come fight you when the event is going on, it just makes it harder

[normal bay]

Or not controlling the area after

[sonic kayak]

Right

[void dragon]

Good day hat for ass...(that's how it goes? Sah?)

[atomic void]

everytime i do this in pub people drop down instantly instead of taking the time to shoot things

[sonic kayak]

You always know specialists spawn on the left

[unreal nova]

I play Arby when tired of ping... So much less bs when you can bully things that won't die.

[sonic kayak]

Gunners sometimes on the left, but a lot on the right or the doors

[atomic void]

also second event is easy if people focus objective but they dont

[sonic kayak]

Kill them before they start pooling

[atomic void]

so u end up with an absolute mess

[barren cave]

ngl, first event is crazy fun with ext k3 shotgun on arby

[void dragon]

People just are running like headless roaches to do objectives

[sonic kayak]

It's fun for everyone

[atomic void]

its fun to throw all 5 insta kabooms at the hallway

and watch all he barrels go off