veteran-class

[hybrid plover]

go shovel :)

[tame lodge]

Carapace Elites

[blissful stump]

https://tenor.com/view/market-garden-soldier-pharah-gif-27445057

[hybrid plover]

wait, no unyielding?

it's usually carapace/elite and unyielding

since power sword is legit one of the best options vet has for boss killing

[tame lodge]

That could work

Try powering it up

[hybrid plover]

straight up can be top of the chain in boss damage with power sword if you know what you're doing

[uncut bluff]

Still its like”hol up I gotta crank up my sword rq” before stabbing an elite

[blissful stump]

Whats what the bolters for

[tame lodge]

Mainly Boss and Carapace spam

[hybrid plover]

block cancel the charge

[tame lodge]

You can alternatively play it as a dmr

But that play style fell off

[uncut bluff]

I’m on Xbox so no clue how to do that unless you literally block as soon as you charge it

[hybrid plover]

yes. that is literally what you do

[uncut bluff]

Ok, I’ll try that out later once I can afford a decent one

[hybrid plover]

and in a lot of cases, you'll be doing that anyway since the main mk people use is mk6 because the block push light combo is one of the best movesets in the game for dealing with carapace and unyielding enemies

[uncut bluff]

Fair

[hybrid plover]

but also, shovel supremacy

[uncut bluff]

Understandable it is a jack of all trades

[tall torrent]

shouldn't DH despawn if activated in last man standing (not havoc)?

or did they change that

[hybrid plover]

it should

Unless they did.

[fallow escarp]

Fellas, do you think a double barrel shotgun build will work out better on Zealot or Vet for Havoc? I have a vet build with pretty good results but I wanna know which class can utilize double barrel better ultimately

[hybrid plover]

Vet

Because of weapon specialist

[fallow escarp]

Oh dang i've been running mark target for unyielding one shots

[hybrid plover]

You just have to keep in mind that you need to be up close and personal at all times so it's a risky gambit to use it

[fallow escarp]

Would you recommend executioners stance?

[hybrid plover]

nope

[hollow ibex]

nah just VOC or infil + weapon specialist

the keystone is what really matters

weapon specialist, and the always prepare subnode

makes the weapon sing

[hybrid plover]

manstopper and flechette, and take a melee with uncanny

[hollow ibex]

kill 3 guys in melee, get a free reload and crit, fire one shot

[hybrid plover]

not even three

[grand perch]

Agile engagement absolutely superb in that combo too, try to get it

[hollow ibex]

3 for the guaranteed crit

[hybrid plover]

o fair

[fallow escarp]

yeah ive been running agile engagement with mark target but man i had no idea weapon specialist was cool like that

i am for sure adjusting my build

[hybrid plover]

weapon specialist is extremely good for the shotguns in general

[fallow escarp]

Honestly tried it once on launch and didn't enjoy it

[hollow ibex]

yeah it might be ok

[hybrid plover]

since they're the weapons you want to lean on your melee more for

[fallow escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-freaky-cat-cat-meme-tongue-out-gif-1492882876567450372

[hybrid plover]

and it also really helps out vet's melee proficiency

[fallow escarp]

Any preferable melee weapon with this silly build?

[hollow ibex]

psword is my preferred as usual

or rashad

because a swing or two will net you a guaranteed crit

[hybrid plover]

Shovel

[hollow ibex]

on the shotgun

[hybrid plover]

I'm not even trolling on this one

[hollow ibex]

hope your teammates brought something that can fight bosses

[hybrid plover]

Uncanny and skullcrusher with double barrel prompts actually insane results

[fallow escarp]

Whats rashad?

[hollow ibex]

cuz you'll have like 500 boss dps

[hollow ibex]

combat axe

[fallow escarp]

i have genuinely never used a combat axe before

[hybrid plover]

wait what

you have a double barrel

do you understand how much damage that can do to a boss on a crit double shot

it's crazy strong after they buffed it

especially since if you shout and stagger, that procs skullcrusher, meaning nearly double damage for 5s

[hollow ibex]

yeah i don't think so

you can't even proc sc on boss without blitz or ult

with sc it's like what, 4k damage on double shot, on headshot, against a boss with 60k hp?

[covert fable]

Funny vet name

[tall torrent]

what buff

[hybrid plover]

Battle of Tertium update increased the adm against unyielding specifically

it's not a big buff by any means, but combined with a build meant to get good burst damage, it actually holds up decently well. also, this is the one case where i'd actually be recommending kraks since honestly, using the double barrel like this actually gives more incentive to have them

you already have a means to apply bleed to a ton of targets, and really quickly

[fallow escarp]

i love the build thanks fellas

[tall torrent]

it barely matters

just a little above 4k for crit-weakspot on doubleshot for unyielding

[spare jolt]

power swrd special cancels after a hit taken right?

[tall torrent]

no

it should only deactivate if u get hit while u hit smth

which I've reported as a bug and remains unfixed

[spare jolt]

ah thats it

sorry im discussing with someone

and i couldnt remember

which condition it cancels

[hybrid plover]

so that is a bug then

good to know

because they said they fixed that

[spare jolt]

yup its here since forever

[hybrid plover]

they specifically said in a patch note that they changed the way power sword works so i believe it wasn't a bug at first.

[spare jolt]

they acknowledged it on forums tho

[hybrid plover]

but in fatshark's spaghetti code, they must have reintroduced it

[hybrid plover]

yeah, because they know that shouldn't be happening

[tall torrent]

idk, I think it is

[hybrid plover]

i would be inclined to believe it is

[tall torrent]

what they fixed was getting hit (when not attacking)

but they did not fix the "getting hit while hitting smth" part

[hybrid plover]

yeah, i think that it was just like that before. not that it was necessarily a bug. but people clearly thought that was stupid, and it is

so they "fixed" it

[spare jolt]

fs "fixes" a lot of things

[hybrid plover]

i didn't use the power sword enough to know whether the getting hit while hitting something part was still present after that patch or if it was just reintroduced somehow though

since it's been a while since that patch came out

[tall torrent]

that patch is infamous

7 veteran changes

all 7 missed the mark

very peak design fatshark

[hybrid plover]

are we really surprised

[tall torrent]

well

[hybrid plover]

this is just typical fatshark q&a at this point

[tall torrent]

they did say there'd be smth for veteran this year

I just did not expect that to be

7 changes that all missed the mark

• arbites DLC to buy

[hybrid plover]

"new weapon"

where?

where is it fatshark

[tall torrent]

also

dog still incredibly buggy

it's the buggiest thing in this game yet

[hybrid plover]

can i make a hot take

i know one of the big appeals of the class is the dog

but uh

[tall torrent]

dog can aggro DH and pull it onto you

just lost a match because game trolled

and randomly popped a DH

[hybrid plover]

yeah which brings me to my point

i dont even think they should have introduced the dog

like at all

not necessarily because it's not a good idea

but fatshark with how many problems they deal with regarding darktide and its stability and bugs already, having what is essentially a 5th npc ally was going to cause a new myriad of issues

and it has

and still is

that short period of time when the game was quite literally unplayable because of bleed dog

god that was a rough time

well not literally but pretty much since everything would just, die before it could be interacted with

[tall torrent]

the dog as an idea is cool

but holy shit it's the buggiest thing ever

[hybrid plover]

yeah like, i like the idea but i already had a bad feeling it was going to be an issue to have in the game

and it is

the class is already busted enough without it anyway

but, money

[tall torrent]

I like the variety it brings

I don't rly have big complaints abt it outside the bugs

[hybrid plover]

i guess i wouldn't mind it

if it wasn't fatshark, is really the base of my point

it's a great idea in theory

but fatshark unfortunately has this track record of breaking something, fixing it only to break something again and repeat the cycle

i wish i didn't have to be pessimistic about it but adding the dog was going to cause problems and i worry they're not really going to be able to fully fix said problems without introducing new ones over and over again

[covert fable]

I remember seeing the arby dog yeet itself off the map

And then it came back

[grand perch]

They do that sometimes

I don't like the dog because I don't like pet classes
Lone wolf only

[dapper juniper]

I find it hilarious Lone Wolf has no Penances related.

[tall torrent]

does EO work correctly without dog?

[grand perch]

Don't think it does but who cares forceful4life

[hybrid plover]

I'm just

Actually shocked it's taken this long for them to fix EO

After someone verbatim said they internally fixed it

Like, that's almost insulting

[mortal aspen]

still on vacation

[hybrid plover]

Someone mentioned it being internally fixed like a few days before that too

Like, could they seriously have not made a quick hot fix before going on vacation?

They do deserve their vacation but uh, releasing a new class people paid for and then leaving a chunk of the skill tree unusable is uh

Kind of a bad call.

[shy parcel]

Because things like to break for no reason

And they don’t want to push an update that might explode the game before their vacation

[hybrid plover]

Well yeah. I get that.

But then why even mention that it was fixed? Hell just saying "we're working on it" would have sufficed better than what actually happened.

I get the bad feeling who ever put that notice out genuinely thought there would be a hot fix before the vacation and it just fell through.

And it looks worse that way, unfortunately.

[surreal rune]

is there a collection of images of all the cosmetics in this game somewhere?

[normal bay]

It would if it was working properly but since only dog kills count atm, it's not very useful outside of the wall hacks

[tall torrent]

unfortunate

[covert fable]

Game Wiki try that

[plain osprey]

Isnt that hotfix scheduled soon?

Like mid august

[south spindle]

I do. How it interacts with bursters

Push it right back at you after you've pushed it because Fatshark didnt make it so Arbs can't set the dog on bursters

[normal bay]

They just said August, so it could be the 31st

[copper mango]

Hello everyone,

Quick question: what is the dump stat for the Recon lasgun, and is infernus worth to use it? I am currently using dundum and headhunter

[tall torrent]

Collateral
Yes
Use dum dum + infernus/deathspitter
Headhunter not worth on this gun

[south spindle]

Wait wut

Headhunter is very worth it

[copper mango]

Headhunter is not worth to use it? But why? Isnt crits the priority??

[tall torrent]

On this gun specifically not that worth it

[south spindle]

Headhunter is why you dump collateral, so its easier to hit heads and profit from infinite ammo

[tall torrent]

U don’t need headhunter for that

Just
Reciprocity + 5% crit chance node

[steep flower]

Majority of ppl will say its collateral but imo its mobility due to stagger potential on bombers in havoc (crit headshots & infernus DoT eventually staggers them)
Infernus is always picked, majority of ppl will pick dumdum second but headhunter is also very solid (it is very worth it for procking infernus & shock trooper talent for better ammo economy)

[tall torrent]

Usually enough

[steep flower]

Path you don’t even use recon that much you follow the numbers purely on this one

[tall torrent]

Collateral is not relevant because by the time enough shots accumulate to finally reach any notable stagger pool the target is close to dead anyway

[steep flower]

But in practice it may interrupt already winding up bomber and stop the throw (especially the tox one)

[south spindle]

You're not trying to avoid notable stagger by dumping it, you're doing it to avoid constant flinching/excessive suppression

[tall torrent]

Headhunter is like a 5% crit rate increase for this gun it’s rly just not that impressive

It’s not 25% extra crit chance
It’s +0-25% crit chance that keeps resetting itself whenever u crit

[tall torrent]

Way too niche and specific to be worth considering most of the time

[steep flower]

Ofc but its extra and it adds up in the long run; all you have to do is click heads and thats like basic for any FPS

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s like 5% extra crit rate for clicking head lol

It’s just not that impressive

[south spindle]

It also applies the DoT faster, which is desirable in many situations

[copper mango]

So... Dundum + infernus for blessing, and collateral or mobility for dump stat ( or i can assume it can be 70 for each)

[tall torrent]

Because of recon’s crit string property, you have a higher crit rate than the crit chance suggests

[steep flower]

Mobility gives nothing that substantial either; sprint speed ain’t that hot, no more dodges & moving spread can be easily countered by not holding down the trigger all the time

[steep flower]

Exacly; you apply 12 stacks and move to another target

[south spindle]

Yep

DumDum/Infernus is more a Laspistol combo imo

[steep flower]

Recon too but its a preference

Both are solid

[copper mango]

I am confused then

[tall torrent]

TLDR If u have a decent time keeping reciprocity stacks, headhunter doesn’t rly matter for this gun

[steep flower]

Try both dumdum & headhunter; see which one clicks more with your playstyle/build

[steep flower]

if

[copper mango]

Got it

[steep flower]

Lemme know later if you wanna how it went

[unreal nova]

As someone with both, barely makes a diff.

[south spindle]

You're benifiting from the extra crit chance regardless, only one is more conditional than the other, headhunter just requires you to shoot stuff, reci' requires enemies to dodge. Its not a huge thing, but conditional bonus vs doing the bare minimum

[unreal nova]

If you can feel an 0.001 m dodge increase, I'll be surprised.

[tall torrent]

The jump in sprint bonus from 60 to 80 mobility on this gun is pretty good, 0.2m/s
and u get faster aim walk speed (it’s affected but not mentioned)

Collateral is mega inconsistent for 2 main reasons

1. You need to put so many shots into the specific enemy in a specific animation before that animation completes for it to stagger and this is just incredibly niche

2. Stagger also scales ADM based on ranged falloff and recon has really short damage internals

[south spindle]

Collateral also effects suppression, its not just stagger

Which is where it can get annoying

[tall torrent]

So it’s more like
Shoot a specific enemy a lot of times while they’re doing a specific animation, and shoot enough times before they finish that animation without killing them, and be within a specific range interval to make sure the stagger works

[unreal nova]

Point is, it rarely gets to the point one will notice.

[tall torrent]

That’s some real dedication compared to just running faster

[steep flower]

Enemy won’t wait for you to aim & shoot it; thats why being able to interrupt one of the most op enemies in the game is good (you stated that tox bombers were one of the most dangerous yourself)

[tall torrent]

Interrupt after like what, 16+ shots?

That’s almost a full second

[steep flower]

Thats why infernus is taken; you hop on another target when you know that one is cooked… literally

[tall torrent]

You have to start shooting at a fairly specific time for it to be able to actually deny a bomber throw

If the damage doesn’t outright kill

[copper mango]

Guys and what about perks? In the recon lasgun? I am currently using unyielding and maniacs

[tall torrent]

So what’s the supposed stagger bonus even for lol

[steep flower]

Alot can happen withing 1 second and you know it mah guy

[tall torrent]

If ur not gonna shoot at it continuously to reach that 1 super specific and niche stagger breakpoint what’s collateral for

The suppression difference is extremely minor

[steep flower]

Interrupting throwing animation of one of the most hated enemy in the game so it won’t CC you

[copper mango]

Maybe flak and maniacs or Flak + crit?

[unreal nova]

This is like def vs power output on the smaul and shield, isn't it?

[steep flower]

Its either flak or unyielding + crit chance

[steep flower]

Considering the topic; i think yes

[tall torrent]

So u take max collat to be able to shoot a specific enemy a lot of times while they’re doing a specific animation, and shoot enough times before they finish that animation without killing them, and be within a specific range interval to make sure the stagger works

That’s the only situation where max collateral matters

[unreal nova]

Depends on how you use it.

[tall torrent]

This doesn’t factor into crits potentially just making the kill happen sooner

Or damage buffs just making u kill sooner

[south spindle]

(The bomber is absolutely gonna die before it throws the bomb)

[steep flower]

And its better than sprint speed

[tall torrent]

Exactly so collat is pointless lol

Willy is building for a 0.0001% chance event

[unreal nova]

Because 3 ppl shot at it, lul.

[tall torrent]

Then saying infernus so u can stop shooting

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s not

The chance of the event ur looking for is just

Abysmally minimal

[steep flower]

Tbh such situations happened often enough to be noticed; otherwise i would not yap

[south spindle]

Meanwhile the Arb' is 100ft away beating on a single poxwalker whilst yelling "stop resisting!"

[tall torrent]

But running 0.2m/s faster pretty much always makes a difference

Esp considering the +5% move speed bonus

U can outrun a lot more things

It’s also very significantly faster run speed than most melee weapons

Even if u take those melee weapons to 80% mobility, which u won’t most of the time

[unreal nova]

Seems about right.

[steep flower]

Is las pistol only faster?

[south spindle]

This is going to turn into a justification for running powersword in a second isnt it

[tall torrent]

Yes lol

Laspistol +0.8-0.89

Recon at 80% mobility is +0.6

[steep flower]

Guessed correctly i did

[tall torrent]

At 60% is +0.4

Given collat is a nothingburger 99.9999% the time on this gun

Collat dump is usually better

[sly orchid]

Collat is stagger power right?

[austere mica]

Mobility dump for the sick bulwark open breakpoint

[steep flower]

I prefer to face my enemies rather than running away from them

[tall torrent]

Stagger & suppression
Neither change much within 60-80% parameters

[south spindle]

We all do until the slamwich happens and you're forced into kiting for 5 minutes ¬.¬

[tall torrent]

It’s not like where if u go 80% collat u can suddenly break rager combo

It’s not like if u go 80% collat u can insta stop flamer atk

[steep flower]

Skill check it is

[south spindle]

Skill check/AoE check, you decide

[steep flower]

Both

[tall torrent]

If it did actually do this I’d agree with max collat

But it doesn’t

It’s not like u can stagger lock specialists at range with this gun

Because u drop to minimum damage after 20m

And falloff starts at just 10m

As for headhunter

It’s rly just because it keeps resetting whenever u crit

If u have actually decent reciprocity uptime by being in melee or dodging shotgunner/ranged mob attacks

[south spindle]

Yes, but also due to crit strings its stacked back up again essentially for free

[tall torrent]

Full reciprocity + crit talent + crit perk

[south spindle]

And so the cycle repeats

[tall torrent]

Is ~59% practical crit rate

After the calculations

And, headhunter is kind of just
Not the most consistent because even at 60% collat u will still suppress gunners given enough shots

[steep flower]

You really should try it in at least a couple of games rather than holding on to numbers man; also; combine them and you will beam everything for free!
Options are only limited by ones unwillingness to test them

[tall torrent]

I tried it before

[steep flower]

Try it again; i know you prefer more face first playstyle but its an option

[tall torrent]

The ammo save aspect of it is not as attractive enough to me personally because I don’t tape down m1 with this gun in the first place

And it normally already maxes infernus pretty fast with reciprocity

[steep flower]

I don’t tape m1 either; i shoot in bursts

[tall torrent]

And recon finesse scaling is not that impressive

Plus sustained automatic fire suppresses ranged enemies making them harder to hit headshots with

And this gun staggers no human specialists 99.9999% the time who’re actually moving

It’s not that impressive compared to just 30%Ndmg

[tall torrent]

Nah even power sword at 80% mobility is nowhere as fast as recon

Most melee weapons are +0.09~0.27

Compare that with a +0.6 and the difference is pretty real

The only other normal gun that usually gets +0.6 is boltpistol (and a reload speed dump revolver)

U could get same run speed with combat shotgun but that means dumping stability which affects pellet spread accuracy

[south spindle]

Ofc its not, but its pretty normal to pair a low mobility option with a high mobility option, anyway I was making a joke because Psword is treated like the second coming of jesus

[tall torrent]

Power sword is kinda funny because an optimal setup simultaneously has better mobility than most melee weapons and worse mobility than most melee weapons

U run faster than most melee weapons while using less stamina

But ur dodges are a bit shorter and u only get 4

[steep flower]

Thats why i shoot in bursts

[tall torrent]

Power sword dodges being bad is massively overstated tho

It’s 2.2m on 80% mobility optimal stats

Which is better than every single arb melee besides tac axe

Substantially better than force greatsword too

[south spindle]

Force Greatsword basically requires Anticipation to not feel like shit

[steep flower]

My dumping on FGS was justified all along

[tall torrent]

Both psyker and arb have 2m dodge distance which weapons scale from

So a -12% dodge distance melee on veteran is 2.5x0.88=2.2m

But a smaller percentage loss on psyker, like force greatsword, is 2x0.93=1.86m

[steep flower]

Shouldn’t it be 2.0x0,88?

Or am I missing smth

[tall torrent]

FGS optimal stats is -7% dodge distance

I don’t think psyker actually has -12% dodge distance melee weapons?

[steep flower]

Nope

[tall torrent]

Also relic blade is 2.15m at 60% mobility

Yea it’s not as bad as people think

[steep flower]

And its still dogwater at dodges in general

[tall torrent]

Most melee weapons are like 2.52m dodge

[steep flower]

In practice

[tall torrent]

So the difference is not that big, usually

[steep flower]

So which one is the most distance? Knife? DS?

Outside of buffs; just pure weapon

[tall torrent]

Highest is knife

3.33m at 60% mobility

[steep flower]

Expected

[tall torrent]

This is almost 2x of force greatsword’s dodge distance

[steep flower]

And don’t forget WS buff

[unreal nova]

Even better than meme pen dump ds5?

[tall torrent]

Yea

Knife is 3m override, +11%

DS5 is 2.75m override, +15%

[unreal nova]

Ah, explains what I feel then.

[tall torrent]

With weapon specialist knife goes to 3.63m

[tall torrent]

Lowest I think is arb’s maul&shield

80% defences is -11.25%?

1.775m

[unreal nova]

Is why I quick swap to bistol to dodge at times.

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol among the worst designed weapons in the game

[unreal nova]

Misses bps by like 6-10 damage.

[graceful pulsar]

whys that?

[paper salmon]

Oh god, so it’s not just me

[south spindle]

Huh?

Care to elaborate?

[unreal nova]

Very fun to watch at times. Just gotta shoot 2-3 times.

[sonic kayak]

[mortal aspen]

Exe mk3 at home

[steep flower]

Nah that would be Zarona

[barren cave]

Shouldn't there have been like

A patch by now

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-copium-bnuy-bun-oxygen-gif-14271982298116262778

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/true-correct-dwight-schrute-rainn-wilson-right-gif-23822659

[livid citrus]

Wonder if they’ll ever add new enemies

[hollow ibex]

the last time they did, it was the tox bomber

so i'd rather not

[sonic kayak]

They'll add that dreg mauler

But it has a corruption radius around it

Because FS has to go out of their way to ruin everything

[barren cave]

Oh yeah

There's no dreg mauler

I just realized

I'm assuming the dreg mauler will be mostly naked

[covert fable]

Cloaking enemies when 😎

[barren cave]

Maybe it should have two chainaxes

[steep flower]

Dreg mauler with a crusher/maul, part unarmored part infested hp type

Would be great

[hollow ibex]

infested does seem pretty underutilized

how many enemies use it?

dog and poxxers?

[unreal nova]

Clubs you with mutated arm with sharp teeth on it?

[steep flower]

Nah thats too unhinged

[steep flower]

And poxbursters

[hollow ibex]

oh right right

[steep flower]

I really want expanded hp varied enemies; i was very happy in the end when scab rager got carapace chest

For example

Or when they made scab bomber flak

Like; tox flamer fits maniac but scab flamer is flak and its obvious

Same for trapper

I guess her mask is like hard leather so it could be maniac while her torso is flak

[sonic kayak]

HUMAN SKIN

[unreal nova]

HAVE YOU SEEN CHAOS MUTATIONS???

[steep flower]

Yes ofc; we call them… LESBIANS and i am among them

[unreal nova]

That's not funny.

[steep flower]

Maybe to you; to me lesbomancy is heretical… and hilarious

[covert fable]

um

[icy gulch]

good mornin

[icy gulch]

another day of servin the emperor through bullets

[covert fable]

What timezone is the swamp in?

[icy gulch]

can confirm i am the first individual

and i am in CST

very very center of america. as center as it gets

geographically

[narrow frost]

Wakes up at 11, smh

[covert fable]

What time do you wake up

[icy gulch]

i actually woke up an hour ago

because its my day off and i felt like sleeping in

i usually wake up at 6am to terrorize the local village

[narrow frost]

Same

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1280838342715379743/1284868710800298065/20230329_222325.gif

[icy gulch]

skyrim guard cant explain that

[covert fable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523282321303142400/1209905095433650186/melon.gif

[icy gulch]

veteran chat is best char

chat

gonna give heresy a go just unlocked it

[marble ocean]

What's plasmagun dump stat? Heat or charge rate?

[narrow frost]

71-72 charge, 69-68 thermal

[icy gulch]

assault chainsword good? Figured activate plus all the wide sweeps is good against hordes

[narrow frost]

If you don't care to get that dump charge

[marble ocean]

Gotcha

[narrow widget]

no

[icy gulch]

okey

[narrow frost]

Really good against unarmored horde, has a bit of trouble against heavy armor but in low difficulty doesn't matter as much

[icy gulch]

well im also using the assault chainaxe. i think i'll stick to it

[narrow widget]

as soon as you hit mixed horde it falls off

[icy gulch]

that or DC

think i'll go dc because of the parry

i loved using it before

[marble ocean]

I tend to use devil claw

[icy gulch]

i find it really fun parrying certain bosses/elites

if one thing goes wrong just use the voice of the emperor to assert dominance

a bit nervous going on heresy though :c

[covert fable]

You'll be fine, just stay with your team

[covert fable]

why is there a finger pointing at my mesag

[sonic kayak]

Father William is sharing his confirmation on the factual evidence put forth by your statement

[covert fable]

Capt latrine?

[sonic kayak]

The same

[covert fable]

ohh

[icy gulch]

boltgun too big and clunky

may go vigilant autogun

[covert fable]

Try put the infantry autoguns

Mk5

[icy gulch]

i thought they were bad but i'll give em a go around

[covert fable]

What

[sonic kayak]

Better than the lasguns (at least the standard one) in almost every way

[covert fable]

I'm pretty sure that infantry autogun mark 5 has fhe highest dps in the game

I might be wrong

[icy gulch]

well i just struggled automatic weapons but im about to figure this shi out

[covert fable]

Oh

[sonic kayak]

The Mk 5 is one of the most potent ranged weapons in this game

It might be the most potent

[icy gulch]

well its more of, im afraid that i'll use up all my ammo way to quickly

[covert fable]

It's really fun to use

[sonic kayak]

The only thing that limits taking it into Havoc is the ammo

[covert fable]

You won't have ammo issues in auric

[sonic kayak]

Shoot what you should and you'll be fine

[icy gulch]

idk what i should be shooting p;-;

elite/specialists?

[sonic kayak]

Specialists are almost always a priority

IAGs, especially the Mk 5, could be dumped into elites

I think it's like one of 2 Onslaught weapons

[icy gulch]

wait im dumb

yeah i always target specialists for teams, and elite are bigger dudes right? I typically parry them for the team/take aggro and use my kraks to stagger them. no damage, just utility for my team

[sonic kayak]

Gunners, ragers, maulers, armored Ogryns yes

[icy gulch]

well i kill gunners

armored ogryns i just kill

ragers and maulers are usually staggered/parried with DC and VoC

[sonic kayak]

By armored Ogryns I mean all 3

Crushers, Reapers, Bulwarks

[icy gulch]

yea

[sonic kayak]

PlOgryn is also, well, an Ogryn, but different story

[unreal nova]

Never played with pubs that steal every ammo even on white?

[icy gulch]

wait so the infantry autogun is literally a stereotypical high accuracy assault rifle 😐

[unreal nova]

Or just to refill 1 throwing knife?

[covert fable]

True

[calm shard]

The agripinaa variant is yes

Vraks is more like an SMG

Agripinaa and Vraks both have extremely high DPS into all health types (including carapace if you have enough crit)

[icy gulch]

im using the base variant now for the infantry autogun

[calm shard]

I think that's the Agri?

Green colored and shoots kinda slow?

[icy gulch]

tannish green

yeah green

[calm shard]

Yeah that's the Agripinaa variant. It has the best range and damage per shot of them but slowest fire rate

2nd highest DPS of them

[icy gulch]

im starting to get it

😮

[grand perch]

excuse me? did the projectile vomit originate from the hole in the wall instead of the snail?

how does something like that even happen. theres not vomit trail outside the room

[icy gulch]

focused fire is good?

[narrow frost]

It works like flamers iirc

If there is a height difference it will instantly deploy to where they are aiming

[hollow ibex]

Yeah just a good general purpose keystone

Works on almost every build

[midnight wyvern]

kraks to stagger

and no damage

[midnight wyvern]

more damage is more damage

[covert fable]

Ngl I like weapon specialist more

[sonic kayak]

That shit has been driving me crazy

[midnight wyvern]

and thats valid, but focus target is nice

[sonic kayak]

Getting hit by puke across the room and not even looking at me

[covert fable]

For sure

[calm shard]

it's the one thing they do

kraks don't have damage into anything

[midnight wyvern]

yeah lmao

[covert fable]

Smokes on top

[midnight wyvern]

I kind of want to do a hellbore build with WS (maybe?) and smokes

been wanting to not use bolter

but also not plasma

[buoyant pewter]

Laser musket is fun with WS

[frigid shuttle]

have you heard of agrippa combat shotgun?

it's amazingly fun

[midnight wyvern]

I have, mostly used it on Arb when EO worked

that is also an option

[buoyant pewter]

Two shotting Reapers to the head is hilarious

[sonic kayak]

I haven't touched Arby for a while

What exactly does it mean EO is broken?

[midnight wyvern]

only dog melee kills will proc the buffs you get from EO

[sonic kayak]

wrong emote

[midnight wyvern]

rather than everything you kill that is outlined

[buoyant pewter]

Yee

You basically gotta send dog for everything

[midnight wyvern]

and its been like a month or so since its been broken

paid dlc btw

my beloved

[calm shard]

dog dots also count

just has to be dog damage

[midnight wyvern]

its still good, outlines are good and you have some uptime for it

[buoyant pewter]

I've moved over to just using Terminus for now even though I like my wallhacks with Order XD

[midnight wyvern]

oh neat

but still

let me shoot things for free buffs

smh

[icy gulch]

so is vraks the best inf autogun?

highest dps i mean

[midnight wyvern]

forceful is great don't get me wrong I just want to be able to mix it up, plus the combo of working EO, castigators and agri combat shotgun was the best build ive felt in game lol

[grand perch]

oh thats why i got Bs killed by flamers while vaulting in the past

[sonic kayak]

wtf

EO was my favorite

I loved the wallhacks and extra monstrosity damage

I run Lone Wolf usually

smh now I need to use Forceful

That is genuinely disheartening

[midnight wyvern]

supposed to get information on when the patch will be tomorrow

[buoyant pewter]

They should fix it when they're back from their Summer Vacation

[midnight wyvern]

but its been ages for something they fixed in the first 2 days it was broken

[buoyant pewter]

Here's hoping nothing else breaks

[midnight wyvern]

I know they're on vacation but

bruh

[mortal aspen]

[sonic kayak]

EO has unironically saved me

[buoyant pewter]

The information of when enemies are coming is insane to me

[mortal aspen]

the question is not whether they'll break something or not, it's what they will break this time

[buoyant pewter]

Okay fair

XD

[sonic kayak]

Especially when dealing with snipers and they're peaking through a tiny crack in-between cover

[buoyant pewter]

They break Warrant or Forceful XD

"We fixed Order but broke Warrant"

[midnight wyvern]

id be fine with that

[buoyant pewter]

proceed to fix Warrant, break Forceful

Frankly if they messed up Forceful I would be happier

I like the rotation with Warrant

[sonic kayak]

Has it been confirmed broken or "broken"?

[midnight wyvern]

wut

I literally told you how it was broken lol

[sonic kayak]

No no, I mean

Is it an actual thing they broke or changed it and wanted to say it was broken?

[midnight wyvern]

[buoyant pewter]

"It's not a bug its a feature"

[calm shard]

yeah one of the highest DPS guns in the game

[sonic kayak]

Because they do that shit

[midnight wyvern]

what are you on about

[sonic kayak]

plasma gun post rolling steel

[buoyant pewter]

Basically what Bush is saying is that is it a unintended broken thing cause of Fatshark being Fatshark, OR is it something they fully intended and trying to say otherwise, at least how I am parsing it

[midnight wyvern]

its fatshark being fatshark

[calm shard]

yes it's confirmed broken

[midnight wyvern]

they changed how EO and dog damage was buffed, it was broken because they stopped EO damage buffs being applied to the dog, which they managed to disable it working for the person

[calm shard]

not only that but they've had a fix since before they went on vacation

and just didn't deploy the hotfix before going on said vacation

[midnight wyvern]

its confirmed, been tested 900 times

[sonic kayak]

You know what I'm talking about right?

[calm shard]

EO only proccing on dog kills?

[buoyant pewter]

Wait...so its just SITTING there?

[midnight wyvern]

acknowledged on the forums like 1-2 days after it was broken and said they'd "already fixed it internally"

[calm shard]

Yeah because their dev team is on mandatory holiday

because they live in a nation that believes in worker's rights

more's the pity for us the consumers

[buoyant pewter]

Yep, and I am quite happy they have it

[midnight wyvern]

I think its just more of a kick in the nads because of how slow the content is even without the holidays lol

[buoyant pewter]

Glad they have time off

[midnight wyvern]

so this is just extra ass

[graceful pulsar]

swear to god ADS makes 3 pox fuckers spawn behind you every single time

[marble moat]

I keep seeing people doing a stab with the power sword and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to do it.

[narrow frost]

hold block then left click or right click

push attack with mk6

wait

no

[calm shard]

hold block hold left click with the mk6 power sword

[marble moat]

Your a god thank you

[calm shard]

or whatever the equivalent button for block/attack is on console if you're disadvantaged

[narrow frost]

yes, hold right click then left click

[icy gulch]

bro called console players disadvantaged

and he's right D:

[covert fable]

Yeah, rollers

@sonic kayak @hybrid plover will you guys be on today

[sonic kayak]

I can play in a bit, finishing up a project for someone

[covert fable]

Same I'm gonna get a fat payday after this is done

[sonic kayak]

Just an FYI, all melee weapons have a special attack via this, it's called a push attack or PA

It varies on weapon and mark

[sudden cedar]

Some ranged weapons also have a push attack. And others.. only a Flashlight.

[sonic kayak]

Well, that's the special action

[sudden cedar]

Ah you meant the push attack, right.

[marble moat]

Thank you. I really appreciate it. Have hundreds of hours in this game and somehow had not realized that

[hybrid plover]

I'm working today so I'll be in way later unfortunately.

[midnight wyvern]

what do you guys like to run on DS on vet?

[covert fable]

That's fine, I'll prob be on in 4 hours

[icy gulch]

i am not winning these heresy's

[midnight wyvern]

just kill the enemies and don't die

[sudden cedar]

Just don't die

[sonic kayak]

If you want help I can join you, but gimme a few to wrap this up

[covert fable]

Make him do auric maelstrom

[sonic kayak]

Good idea

[covert fable]

Heresy will become easy :>

[sonic kayak]

Well it worked with you

We did your.. Havoc 17 was it?

[icy gulch]

i am now winning

[sonic kayak]

Then Gremlin's 27, and then straight to 40

[covert fable]

I was planning on progressing havoc naturally and boom we skipped to 40

[sonic kayak]

It's the natural progression, don't worry

[covert fable]

It's fun tho

[sonic kayak]

The biggest issue I feel is that jump to 30 and then level past 30 getting incrementally harder

Most people can't last in a 30 let alone anything higher

[covert fable]

I'm pretty sure I went from rank 28 to 20 now 😂

[covert fable]

30 can't be that bad

Unless it has blight

[sonic kayak]

That's the start of Fading Light 2 iirc

[hybrid plover]

What's annoying about that 40 is that we really are just getting bottlenecked by bad spawns.

[sonic kayak]

I finished Ascension Riser earlier

We got ambushed by shotgunners and gunners in that same spot as last time

[midnight wyvern]

I can join you too, just depends where you're from to how much I'd actually be able to help

lol

[sonic kayak]

This time though? I was prepared with smokes

[hybrid plover]

First it was the constant boss spam at the big gate at the beginning along with the massive gunner line. And then that one time we got decently far and at the cross to the ramp, the game truly decided to throw the perfect spawn at us to screw the entire run.

I slide dodged and the instant I was out the frame and I got melted by guns from three directions. That shit was brutal.

[sonic kayak]

That nearly caught us offguard earlier too

But again, smokes

Hell I even got complimented on the build by 2 people

[covert fable]

DIY bubblegum psyker

What if we run 4 vets with all smokes

Chain smoking

[sonic kayak]

@narrow frost hit 'em with the vidya

[hybrid plover]

I think Ainz said they did that.

Yeah.

[buoyant pewter]

"The Smoking Section"

[covert fable]

Chainsmokers

[hybrid plover]

Honestly if we're not running bubble psyker, we kinda need a smoke vet for that map

[sonic kayak]

it's horrible

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/tayomaki-meme-stressed-sakigifs-gif-22332392

[hybrid plover]

So many locations for guns to mow you down from afar.

[sonic kayak]

Do you know I was getting shot through geometry when I was Ogryn?

genuinely horrible

[covert fable]

Eah well now we have blight :]

[sonic kayak]

The second medicae, next to the stairs, the one where you drop down to move the power cells

I had shooters hitting me through that little roof

[hybrid plover]

The annoying thing about that last try is that I didn't get engaged at all by those gunners in the back until we decided to deal with the patrol in the front.

[covert fable]

I might just avoid havoc today

I need to level up masteries

[hybrid plover]

It's like they just knew to spawn as soon as we attempted to progress.

Because I'm 100% certain they weren't there until that moment. I was checking behind us like a hawk lmao

[sonic kayak]

We all were lmao

We kept looking at each other and around us

[livid lion]

Am i tweakimg or does not grenade tinkerer boost the shredder frag grenades

[sonic kayak]

If you remember we were also reluctant to engage that patrol in front too

[hybrid plover]

Yeah we deliberately took our time to engage that.

Finally when we start.

Immediately things went downhill.

That's the havoc grind for you.

[sonic kayak]

On Ascension Riser of all maps

[spark canopy]

HLas kinda fucks

[covert fable]

We will beat havoc 40 one day

[spark canopy]

Recon Las fucks harder in most instantces

[hybrid plover]

It does. It's just not that impactful unless you also run lethal prox on bistol

[hybrid plover]

Helbore?

[spark canopy]

Heavy Las Pistol

though Helbore fucks hard too

[hybrid plover]

I've already beaten it several times

[spark canopy]

only las gun that doesn't fuck hard is the Inf Las

[covert fable]

Together;-;

[sonic kayak]

I thought about it afterwards

I should've brought my Paulgryn build

Probably would've helped with the shooters

But whatever you build for, the game does the exact opposite of that, and when you understand that, it doesn't do that

[midnight wyvern]

Paulgryn

[livid lion]

ty

[narrow frost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3K8JmZ2Iks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhrV7dDOmqo

both of them are 4 vets with smokes

[sonic kayak]

@covert fable

[icy gulch]

i need that backpack

i need a backpack

give me the veteran backpack

[hybrid plover]

Heavy Las is actually pretty good on vet

You wanna use it as a boss killer honestly

[covert fable]

cool title lol

[tropic notch]

I can help

I’ll be off at 8

[sudden cedar]

There are others who will be glad to help out too.

[trim coral]

is brutal momentum or sunder better for a general use psword

or any other blessing

i already have power cycler

[narrow frost]

varies on mk

[trim coral]

achlys

[narrow frost]

3 likes sunder more

6 likes BM more

[trim coral]

is 3 more for horde clear and 6 more for elite killing

[calm shard]

6 is better at all

[hollow ibex]

I prefer brumentum just in all cases

[covert fable]

@sonic kayak U LEFT ME WITH THEM

daskjdjnkasdas

[sonic kayak]

Just back out

Strange though

[covert fable]

ya

3 arbys

[sonic kayak]

no, that the last game was private but that one wasn't

[tropic notch]

I remember when shovel gremlin said I’m 0.1% of the player base

[covert fable]

ah

[tropic notch]

[sonic kayak]

Don't tell me each game resets the options

Fatshark please

[covert fable]

it doesn't

[sonic kayak]

Why can't you make a normal game

[covert fable]

maybe because u swapped characters i think

[tropic notch]

No hit havoc 40 will be attempted

[covert fable]

the size of his neck 😭

he doesnt train legs

[hybrid plover]

Ya

[covert fable]

im gonna whip up a build that works with bad lag

[hybrid plover]

Shovel

[covert fable]

inf ammo las gun >:)

although i doubnt half my shots would register 😂

[hybrid plover]

Shovel and inf las gun

[sonic kayak]

idk what in the world is going on

Was doing some duos with Crunchie and my ping just shot up

[hybrid plover]

The servers have just been absolute shite in general

[sonic kayak]

But when we were playing together yesterday we were fine

I mean, you and I

I mean some latency is fine

[hybrid plover]

Even on my server sometimes even if the ping isn't actually going up, I can tell that suddenly the latency just spikes up

[sonic kayak]

But not when I'm getting canceled out of swapping my weapons

[hybrid plover]

And it's been happening for me since the update to the havoc rotation

Also truly. Have you ever felt like despite everyone saying in the numbers, something isn't good and yet you just happen to perform the best with it+

[trim badger]

Shouldn't be hard if you spam Golden toughness

[hybrid plover]

I do not understand why the shovel works so well in my hands.

[covert fable]

your roots

[tropic notch]

Gonna be with tac axe zealot

[tropic notch]

Vet is too far behind atm

He’s fun

[gilded frost]

The class just felt a little underwhelming in comparison to the others.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/knuckles-gif-26722749

[calm shard]

yeah

[faint beacon]

I mean yeah, thats just vet in general atm

you tend to have to put more work in but it feels good when you're doing better than others

[calm shard]

You can have absurd damage on vet if you play a glass cannon build with exe

But then you aren't providing the support that veteran is known for

And other people are going to get touchy about that

Especially if you fuck up

[slow sky]

i literally just came out of a rotten armor when i was paired with 2 hyper meta arbys and a hyper meta ogryn
i top damaged
with shovel
including against the daemonhost
that someone accidentally woke then left and rejoined to get it off them and onto me

[gilded frost]

I mean I feel that. I enjoyed the grenade build with the team buffs. It was an enjoyable class none the less.

[faint beacon]

Again it feels better cause of Vets drawbacks

Especially with Hyper Meta Ogryns and Arbys

holy

[calm shard]

how

[faint beacon]

Uncanny me thinks

wait no

is it the point and click build

[slow sky]

i did the same yesterday against a rumbler spammer

[faint beacon]

Skc + Deci shovel

[slow sky]

no this is shovel db

[faint beacon]

Recon with Onslaught

[calm shard]

man I'm gonna go run shovel combat shotty

I need to use shovel more

[slow sky]

and it is uncanny shovel, i hadnt used it since serrated stopped being just for mercy killer

[faint beacon]

Shovel is just lukewarm overall when you aren't running the 3 good blessings tragically but its a fun melee

[slow sky]

this shit fucks

[faint beacon]

Started pairing Serrated with E.Weakness on taxe and its

Addictive...

for some reason

[slow sky]

thats an idea

[faint beacon]

Hamdol used it

[calm shard]

what's the build

[slow sky]

but i will stick with shovel

[faint beacon]

on H40 and shredded bosses

like it was ludicrous

[faint beacon]

Im wondering if you should just run Deci + Skc

[faint beacon]

or Uncanny

seeing you're running E.Weakness with Serrated now

[slow sky]

im not running e weakness on this

[calm shard]

no left tree is weird

you're weird

[faint beacon]

Lack of precision...

grr.....

[hybrid plover]

Serrated shovel is unironically goated

[calm shard]

I say as if I don't run the exact opposite with a no right tree exe vet lmao

[hybrid plover]

I just wish it wasn't so expensive to run

[slow sky]

see i normally dipped into the weakspot damage

but i said "no i really want better stamina"

[calm shard]

I do keep a very similar build in my back pocket for if I'm not the only vet in a match tho

[slow sky]

so they went here

[calm shard]

kraks for bulwarks I assume

[slow sky]

or just blobs of armor

[calm shard]

yeah

[slow sky]

can deal with it without kraks tho

[calm shard]

yeah

[slow sky]

both are an added bonus

the biggest reason

[calm shard]

just doing the shovel combo into them can be a pain

[slow sky]

is pathing

[faint beacon]

Might try something like this with Serrated Shovel

[calm shard]

I mean with pathing like that I would take smokes instead

because I love smokes

[slow sky]

youd save 1 point

[faint beacon]

Sitting here thinking what I should run Gun wise

[slow sky]

and i personally never use smokes

like i as a person would never think to use them ever

in any situation

which is why i never take them

[hybrid plover]

Bolter wouldn't be a bad choice

[faint beacon]

I ironically enough

barely use them for myself

anymore

[midnight wyvern]

yeah I made a build earlier and was like

damn should I be using these smokes

[faint beacon]

I use them more for more teammates at this point

[calm shard]

they're mostly good in havocs

[midnight wyvern]

cuz im just so used to going to cover, shooting the thing

[calm shard]

they're still okay in aurics

[midnight wyvern]

and being used to not having a shield from a psyker

[calm shard]

but havoc is where smokes are the real run savers

[hybrid plover]

Or if you want to take the left node off of focus target cuz it isn't entirely necessary, you could run hot Shot Helbore to make the shovel cleave way more

[faint beacon]

Agri Shotgun?

[slow sky]

i dont think i can run this build in havoc
the lack of the ammo talent and survivalist makes this only feasable in auric and below

[calm shard]

yeah obv

[hybrid plover]

Works wonders for serrated shovel

[slow sky]

the ammo reductions would hurt too much

[midnight wyvern]

I am curious on what I should run

[hybrid plover]

Also a good choice.

[calm shard]

DB can run on just survivalist ammo in havocs in my experience

[midnight wyvern]

just entire talent tree and weapon lmao, been using bolter DH killing build for so long

[slow sky]

you can totally alter it to make it work in havoc tho
combine has ran circles around me when i was a fucking purg psyker with shovel db before serrated changes so its not like its not able to fuck
i just either shoot too much or too little to make it work in that kind of environment

[calm shard]

I run a similar WS build I just use Zarona combat shotty instead

special shell is close enough to DB horde clear

but I can actually pelt away at things at range

and use it for boss damage

[sly orchid]

combine is combine tho

[soft trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/harvesting-john-derre-gif-21407636

[midnight wyvern]

is stability dump stat on hellbore?

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

Unfortunately.

Every other stat has an impact on damage numbers.

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[steep flower]

Yeah it was straight into the deep waters

[covert fable]

Yup

[steep flower]

maybe if you would be willing to discuss i could teach you

[steep flower]

obviously

[steep flower]

Ammo

[steep flower]

despite the lag on 2 ppl & ofc personal skill it went progressively better

thats what matters

[covert fable]

yeah true

[midnight wyvern]

uh huh

[sonic kayak]

Don't worry, it sounds weird but Father William just doesn't like writing essays

[hybrid plover]

I guess if youre running shock troop, then ammo would be dump.

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/car-garn47-garn47car-boing-cat-gif-2875294927157963496

[hybrid plover]

Still shocked I was even able to play the way I did through that.

180-200 ping is no joke, especially on the hamster wheel servers

[steep flower]

tbh; nah... because ammo stat comes with ammo in the mag too...

[steep flower]

oh yeah i know; been there - but the shovel started using shovel and it went much better

[hybrid plover]

I mean yeah but shock troop does help a lot in that regard and admittedly, say you wanna run weapon specialist, the better hip fire accuracy can matter for getting a quick shot off.

[steep flower]

yuh mah man; all that is needed is a discussion & no hissy fits

[hybrid plover]

Especially since, to be honest, the irons are the one gripe I have with Helbore.

There's just so much clutter from the gun

[steep flower]

yup; shotgun sights on a sniper type weapon

[hybrid plover]

If they maybe put a God damn riser sight on it, there would be no problem

[steep flower]

i like the classics but this is 40k

[steep flower]

it can be tiring... and some things are better off shown than typed

[sonic kayak]

Alrighty go to bed, Pops

[steep flower]

come to think of it; i wonder how much ammo you lose if you get 60 ammo

time to waste more coins

[sonic kayak]

Why else do we get resources if not to get 10 copies of 1 weapon?

[steep flower]

nuuu my son grandpa is still kicking

[sonic kayak]

That's the spirit!

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/jonkler-joker-gif-4939694494140375951

i played a game with randoms

[steep flower]

oh no; big mistake

[covert fable]

im supposed to be the bad one in the team 😂

[sonic kayak]

tbf you can handle yourself

Your positioning should be better but you can still handle yourself

Randoms can't even do that

[steep flower]

ok i got it & here are the results (all tested on Mk IIIa);
80 ammo; 108/636(795 Fully Loaded), 120 tin restore with FL
60 ammo: 96/552(690 Fully Loaded), 104 tin restore with FL

ngl; if you use shock trooper; ammo dump might be the way to go

OK NOW; the 80 stability DOES make a noticeable difference even for mouse & keyboard; the weapon does not 'jump' as much after each shot

all it requires is some field testing

and compare how it feels in a real game

[covert fable]

i just tried to block a crusher overhead with my recon gun

[steep flower]

squish

[covert fable]

i was like wtf am i doing

we all died 😭

[steep flower]

you simply live up to your name

[covert fable]

i have 99 brittle stacks at all times

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[coarse plinth]

quick Q, Deadshot doesnt work if no stamina right

[hollow ibex]

Correct

[coarse plinth]

ty bb

[tall torrent]

Everything about it is just a bit off

[hybrid plover]

Welp. Time to make a new Helbore. Because I'm pretty sure the one I use is the first one I ever made when I started vet and I know the dump on that is stability.

[steep flower]

don't

lemme test it first

save your rezources

[hybrid plover]

Honestly, your one issue is that you can tend to steer off to a location by yourself without realizing it.

[hybrid plover]

I have so many already.

[steep flower]

alright; make a grey 60 ammo one & get to psykanium; shot with it & test the stability dump one after

you'll see

[hybrid plover]

But that will smooth out in time. You honestly hold up pretty well for someone who's starting off.

And you understand how to make a decent build better than a lot at your point in playtime.

Also, I noticed that in havoc. It is very easy for someone who isn't experienced in Havoc to get separated from the team because it can just get really overwhelming.

[covert fable]

yes

[steep flower]

and yet you stayed together; just need to sharpen your skills & awareness

[covert fable]

yeah just gotta play a lot more and practise

[hybrid plover]

I'll be real. You probably fared better than I would have when I was around your playtime because I crutched real hard on stealth zealot when I first started lmaooo

Oh the days when I absolutely sucked at this game.

Honestly the magical thing about Darktide.

Is why I kind of miss sucking at it.

Because it's a game that feels immensely rewarding to get better at.

There is no game other than the tide games where your investment in it will provide as much return in pure dopamine imho

[covert fable]

yeah

[hybrid plover]

Regardless of my gripes with the way the game is handled, there's a reason I've hit 2.7k hours in it.

[covert fable]

jesus

[hybrid plover]

Oh that's nothing.

[covert fable]

2700 hours is a lot of hours

[hybrid plover]

I know someone with a true level of over 7k

Meaning they've easily played three times my playtime.

On one class. Mind you.

[covert fable]

.

they better be soloing havoc 40

[hybrid plover]

Probably.

It's possible.

Just very difficult.

[sonic kayak]

Definitely not if it's Sally

[hybrid plover]

They're called Trauma.

[covert fable]

what is the 7703?

[hybrid plover]

It's a mod that basically shows your theoretical level after 30

[covert fable]

las pistol kinda looks like a massage gun

[hybrid plover]

So that person has went from 29 to 30, 7733 times.

Miscounted.

Uh.

7704 times.

I usually run that mod without the initial thirty.

[covert fable]

.

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's

Accurate

[hybrid plover]

Look this game can hook you like a drug.

[tame lodge]

For when you hit bodies without crits

[hybrid plover]

Or an abusive goth girlfriend

[covert fable]

oh my god

the twins just dabbed on us

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/rinda-darktide-jumpscare-warhammer-40k-gif-13771914461150275398

[tropic notch]

Wait till they find out about Celine

Celine my goat