veteran-class

[normal bay]

Like two groaners

[livid citrus]

Great

[buoyant pewter]

Yeah you will need to press the special action button a lot with the Powersword

It's why also Power Cycler is mandatory

[midnight wyvern]

what are you supposed to build?

[tame lodge]

Willpower

[buoyant pewter]

HP usually is what I see

Along with some Stamina

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-box-gif-13044328

[buoyant pewter]

Kinetic Deflection with a Force Sword usually is more than enough to weather fights

Not to mention you usually are running Bubble or Flamestaff which gives you even more protection through CC or making a fighting arena that refills your Toughness

[midnight wyvern]

[tall torrent]

Willpower

[midnight wyvern]

what's that?

DLC?

[tall torrent]

rogue trader

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[steep flower]

vet is the most demanding class in terms of personal skill & build making; easy to brick, easy to underestimate, easy to say its mid/bad

[frigid shuttle]

But you give gold toughness, so you have value.

[buoyant pewter]

On the base level, Vet for what it gives (Ammo fountain and gold toughness aura bot) is very simple

It's everything else you gotta be very very skilled with in order to make the class work, and even then you likely will not feel as helpful as the other classes due to the passive nature of the benefits you bring

[sonic kayak]

Vet requires effort which people don't like

[buoyant pewter]

Well, not to mention you don't feel like you can do much else than fill those two slots

Ammo generation and gold toughness printer

[sonic kayak]

"Why do X, Y, Z, when A, B, C, can do better, and easier?" "Because that's the point "

[late jungle]

ammo fountain infinite gold toughness infinite cc

👁️

and u have power sword... i guess ..

[frigid shuttle]

"we play x, not because it's easy, but because it is hard"

[sonic kayak]

I GIVE MY LIIIIIIIIIIIFE

[steep flower]

NAH; maybe for an average joe but i don't feel like despite what i do i provide aura & goldie as a main thing

[sonic kayak]

NOT FOR HONOOOOOOOOR

BUT FOR YOUUUUUUUUUUUU

[steep flower]

maybe you feel like it; maybe you need a better build... maybe, just maybe; the trail of thought is biased & needs showing

[sonic kayak]

I still appreciate a good Vet who knows what they're doing more than half of the other classes

[steep flower]

i appreciate a vet already when they don't use the plasma

[sonic kayak]

Yesterday was doing Havoc with @covert fable and @hybrid plover, double Vet was tearing shit up

[buoyant pewter]

I use the grenade setup with Bolter Pistol, DS, VoC, Born Leader, Surv, I'm the base support for my Statics in Havoc.

[steep flower]

i'm yet to play with @hybrid plover ; pls notice me i REALLY wanted to discuss vet 😭

[steep flower]

no wonder you feel like you only provide aura & goldie; its good but... could be more... interesting

[buoyant pewter]

I throw grenade, I kill big thing, I pick people up with Revive speed from Curios.etc

XD

I've found though my favorite variant is still using Tac-Axe with Combat Shotgun in the same 'shell' with WS over the FT keystone

left clicking intensifies

[sonic kayak]

For Havoc, I go plasma + PSword + smokes

It sounds boring yes, but unlike your average Vet, I know what I'm doing

[buoyant pewter]

Smokes is nice for LoS shutdown, they're very fun with that

I don't trust randoms with Smokes in the kit, though my statics yes

Cause a lot of people don't bother with even playing around the smokes

[sonic kayak]

I also have Willy's boltgun build, I don't use it a lot (because haven't played a lot of Vet these days) but it's also solid

My connection has been absolute SHIT and so I'm playing safe with A Pimp Named Slickback

[buoyant pewter]

The 2k errors p-p

Ever since the Arbties update its been so very common

[sonic kayak]

This game drives a MFer to drink

[sonic kayak]

tbh I don't trust most people with smokes/bubbles

You use those very simply: Put them where you want to go, not where you are

[buoyant pewter]

Thisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[sonic kayak]

If you have to back up, now they're covering you at the absolute worse case scenario

[buoyant pewter]

YEP

[plain osprey]

Ive had such a mixed bag today in regards to teammates....

[buoyant pewter]

They're meant to take space not cover what you've already moved through or in

[plain osprey]

Some were great, the other utter dogshit

[sonic kayak]

Started playing bubble Psyker super seriously back in Havoc 1.0 because I got tired of bubbles being put behind us

[buoyant pewter]

[sonic kayak]

I mean I've always played all classes but I found bubble overrated, and tbh, kinda is

[steep flower]

but i want to be where i am

[sonic kayak]

With that being said, when you use it properly? It's actually useful!

[plain osprey]

Mood

[buoyant pewter]

The skill level is very up and down right now due to a major influx of new players

[sonic kayak]

But again, it's a tool, not a crutch

[buoyant pewter]

Not to mention said players starting on Arbites and swapping to other classes are learning how safe Arbites is by comparison of most of the other classes through their level grind.

[plain osprey]

Yeah, i can see that. Players who dont pick up ressources or who ragequit after getting netted/downed are my favorite currently
....

Like, pick up the damn ammocrate you absolute bumbkin

[buoyant pewter]

DH activation disconnectors

It's like those who angered a Witch in L4D then suddenly dc'ing

[sonic kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-about-it-tf2-cry-some-more-heavy-team-fortress-2-gif-8141459361324890105

[plain osprey]

Yeah... Ragequitting here should carry a prison sentence

[buoyant pewter]

Nah, its just frustrating

[midnight wyvern]

lmao

[buoyant pewter]

Accept the down, let us get you back up

Don't just abandon

[midnight wyvern]

like 3-4 matches over the past week ive placed an ammo crate when everyone using ammo is low

[sonic kayak]

cr0wn the witch

[midnight wyvern]

pinged it

they run away, so I just tell them in chat and wait until they go get it

refuse to help themselves its nuts

[sonic kayak]

Played with a guy who was down a wound

There was literally one charge in the medicae, for him

Told him for like 5 minutes that it was for him, ignored it

We were all topped off except him

[plain osprey]

I seriously want FS take every bit of plassteel and diamantine away from those who ragequit (and NO, i am not talking about disconnects and crashes, i am talking about deliberate alt+ f4ing or leaving the session

[sonic kayak]

Like bro, are you saving it for the next strike team??????????

[midnight wyvern]

how thoughtful

🙏

[sonic kayak]

Literally, we were all maxed HP or close to full

Mans was down a wound and some HP

Just ignores the medicae

[midnight wyvern]

I had a dude in havoc with a med stim stim themselves while standing next to a medicae with a use left for them

[buoyant pewter]

Redistribute it to the people who finish the mission

[midnight wyvern]

[covert fable]

Is it possible to 100% solo auric / auric maelstrom

[midnight wyvern]

yes

[narrow frost]

Yes

[buoyant pewter]

Yes

[covert fable]

Without stealth

[buoyant pewter]

Yes

[narrow frost]

Varies depending on skills of course

[midnight wyvern]

yes lol

[narrow frost]

I have like 10 videos of me doing it

[plain osprey]

Yeah, Shit like that makes me livid to.

Had a two wound zealot today who kept being saved by until death on his last wound, there was one med charge left, he ran past it despite me pinging it and promptly died

[covert fable]

Idk anyone played payday 2 but

[midnight wyvern]

relevance

[sonic kayak]

Haven't play PD2 since 2014

[covert fable]

To solo without bots on hardest difficulty in that game was pretty hard

[sonic kayak]

That was back when infamy only went up to 5, and Death Wish was the highest difficulty

[covert fable]

But this is a completely different game

[midnight wyvern]

people play this shit on true solo, no bots lol

[plain osprey]

I unironically support that. Empty their account wallet and give it to the people who finished the mission

[narrow frost]

Same thing applies for dt

[buoyant pewter]

No, don't empty the wallet, just take all the stuff they would have gained from the mission including any modifiers and give it to the people who finish.

[narrow frost]

Harder with no teammates or bots

[sonic kayak]

Skulldozers were hype AF

[narrow frost]

Harder with no teammates or bots

[trim badger]

"I don't want to have a lower score on my scoreboard because I used a med station"

Them, probably

[buoyant pewter]

[serene bough]

why do people need medicae just dont get hit

[plain osprey]

Na, i want them to hurt. Empty their account wallet and since we're at it, barr them from playing for 24 hours

[covert fable]

This is egregious behaviour

[serene bough]

if you never take damage you'll never need to worry about healing

[sonic kayak]

Although on the flipside

I've left healing for others when I could probably use it

[buoyant pewter]

I've tried to do A.M. solo, I'm still not there yet without smokes and stealth

[sonic kayak]

They insist on me having it instead

I do appreciate that

[trim badger]

If you die you won't have to worry about healing

[narrow frost]

You got this, just takes time practice and even a little bit of luck

[plain osprey]

The most eloquent "git guud" ive ever read

[narrow frost]

Took me a good week of learning and trying to get my 1st solo

[covert fable]

This is a goal for me but I'm far far off

[narrow frost]

I do recommend not doing sycorax though

[sonic kayak]

It's all about pace, and how you can react when everything goes south

[serene bough]

just kill things and they cant hurt you

[sonic kayak]

Spawn doors, boss triggers, how/where to backup without looking

[buoyant pewter]

I've found Knife is almost mandatory for the mobility and kiting

[serene bough]

i should create a youtube channel

[narrow frost]

No it's not

[trim badger]

Sometimes I wonder if Crushers have shroudfield

[buoyant pewter]

Is there a better option?

[narrow frost]

Knife just makes it a lot easier to kite and for newer players that don't know proper kiting pathing and routing it's the only thing they can use most of the time

[buoyant pewter]

Ahhhhh

[narrow frost]

Define better?

[buoyant pewter]

That explains a bit

[narrow frost]

https://youtu.be/CQa8DC22nDc?si=Asph9IF7dTqrugrI

[buoyant pewter]

Better as in the ability to keep ahead of hordes in the circuit while doing obj.etc

[narrow frost]

I did this one with crusher

[buoyant pewter]

Will watch!

[narrow frost]

A weapon with only 3 dodges and no move tech

[buoyant pewter]

That crusher at the start "I got'em!" dies instantly

[trim badger]

The bolt Pistol looking at you with hurt and betrayed eyes:

[narrow frost]

Only time I really consider weapon swap for dodges is ogryn with rock

Don't need it otherwise

[steep flower]

Nah

[buoyant pewter]

Yeah its just a matter of me needing to improve in A.M.Solo's

My ability to control the spawns definitely needs help the more I'm seeing of Ainz' play

And spacing when 2x bosses are in the arena

[frail citrus]

i think there’s nothing wrong with classes being OP as long as there is difficulty to match it

which is why i like this game so much

but getting vote kicked for playing an “OP class” is too much for me

some ppl need to be worrying about other things than if they have VOC vet in they squad

[icy gulch]

Exact reason I love this game

[calm shard]

VoC vet is not OP

The only class in this game that I can see someone maybe having a genuine problem with balance wise is Ogryn

[frail citrus]

i got vote kicked 4 times over the weekend because people think it is though

can you guess what class they were playing

[calm shard]

Because you do not get to play the game if a rumbler ogryn is around

It is so goddamn annoying

[frail citrus]

i think what they don’t like is duty and honor

the gold toughness

[icy gulch]

Prime example, that one power the zealot can get that sends out waves of light. Feels super strong but it's got difficulty to match it

[calm shard]

Honestly worst active ability in the entire game

[frail citrus]

which i still don’t really get because why wouldn’t you want a freebie every 30 sec

[calm shard]

It is unbelievably weak

[frail citrus]

hard disagree

extremely useful in tight situations

good panic button that helps your whole team

[sonic kayak]

People just find things to complain about without understanding what said things are

[calm shard]

You wouldn't be in those tight situations if you as a zealot were able to kill threats yourself

But Chorus means you can't do that

[frail citrus]

this is such a stupid argument i’m sorry

unless you’re playing with friends or LFG

you can’t expect to never get in a bad spot

[calm shard]

Even in pubs you know what I do as Zealot?

[frail citrus]

randoms can be dumb sometimes and that’s part of the game

[hollow ibex]

Unfortunately you’re giving up an insane amount of dps to take chorus

[calm shard]

I see a bad situation and I kill everything because Fury of The Faithful damn near doubles zealot's damage output on its own

[frail citrus]

this is true, but I will never say “i don’t want chorus”

[calm shard]

I actually tried playing nearly identical builds on Zealot

[frail citrus]

unless the whole team is support orientated

[buoyant pewter]

I'm the oddball who likes Gun-Chorus

[calm shard]

And just taking Chorus alone cuts your damage by like 30% minimum

[buoyant pewter]

But I also tend towards playing Support

[calm shard]

The best case scenario for chorus is equalling the worst case scenario for Fury damage wise

You are gimping your damage so hard you might as well not be on the team

[frail citrus]

idk man i’ve def saved my team a few times with chorus lol

not saying it’s the only ability i use or zealots best ability

but it’s def not a trash ability

[calm shard]

It is 100% a trash ability

[buoyant pewter]

My favorite thing that I've done is ledge kill a Demonhost and a Plague Ogryn with Chorus

[frail citrus]

and i disagree big time

[calm shard]

But it has piss toughness so people gaslight themselves into thinking it's good

[frail citrus]

oh you’re one of those people lol

nvm

[calm shard]

Direct downgrade to VoC veteran in every way

Less damage, worse support, longer cooldown, less utility

[frail citrus]

i’ll never understand hating a mechanic in a game that is designed to help you

[spark canopy]

which of these are preferable

[frail citrus]

how much more miserable could you be

[calm shard]

And for what so you can stand there with your thumb up your ass for 5 seconds and when challenged on why you have half the next lowest party members damage you can say "I'm support" to deflect from having to help

[frail citrus]

lol

[spark canopy]

VoC is probably vet's best ability

[calm shard]

genuinely the veteran bots you get when someone quits the game are preferable to chorus zealots in my eyes

[frail citrus]

this is nuts

[frail citrus]

easily

[calm shard]

at least they give ammo aura

[unreal nova]

I think he takes my numbers though I play with so much ping and teleporting, my hits are a gamble.

[frail citrus]

you know it doesn’t stack right

[calm shard]

Oh yeah it's not even close really

[calm shard]

Not with the other bots, but with another veteran player running the enhanced aura they do stack

[frail citrus]

yeah but still

you want a bot over chorus?

that’s literally a nutty thing to say lol

what’s ur steam

i ain’t playing with you ever

[spark canopy]

if Executioner's Stance gave a set amt of toughness per kill or something to that extent it would be more viable

i don't think i've seen anyone use Infiltrate except for the related penances

[calm shard]

Yeah mostly because it's just VoC but worse

Exe is at least its own thing

[frail citrus]

every time i see infil i am always thinking “why not just play zeal stealth”

[calm shard]

But the cases you'd really want to use infiltrate are just the same you'd want to use VoC in

It's just not as good in them

[spark canopy]

i think that if Executioner's Stance also included an increased critical chance

[calm shard]

zealot stealth is worse than vet infiltrate imo, but not by that much

[spark canopy]

i think it would be viable

[calm shard]

They're both not great

[spark canopy]

they both incentivize being a loner and getting away from your teammates

so it's meh

[calm shard]

And both are just "this classes best ability but directly worse"

Shroudfield is FOTF but worse in just about every way. Infiltrate is VoC but worse in just about every way.

[frail citrus]

oh my lord

bad take after bad take

[spark canopy]

Executioner's Stance with an increased critical chance would be useful

[calm shard]

Shroudfield does let you one shot bosses though and that's pretty funny

[frail citrus]

i gotta block this guy

[calm shard]

But like FOTF can just 2 shot them instead and it barely takes any extra time so

[frail citrus]

can’t be around takes like this

[calm shard]

Don't really see the point

[frail citrus]

bad for the mind

[spark canopy]

it's shrimple really

VoC is the only viable ability in 90% of cases

Infiltrate is horrid

[calm shard]

Yeah mostly because that 10% that exe is viable in relies on your teammates not being stupid

[frail citrus]

it’s not terrible

[spark canopy]

ES is like mediocre at best for most situations

[frail citrus]

i wish it was more like castigators

[spark canopy]

Infiltrate is bad because it turns the pressure on for your teammates

and usually if you have to pop Infiltrate it's not for a great reason

[icy gulch]

Idk what constitutes as a bad ability. I thought voice of command revive was good bc it's a free revive every 45 seconds. But that ain't gooood

Ik CC is great

[frail citrus]

that 45 sec is too brutal for me imo and not worth it

[calm shard]

Yeah because it nerfs the cooldown and range of VoC

A usually very spammable ability

Just for the sake of reviving teammates with it which you can do with the AoE stagger it provides by default

[frail citrus]

with 30 sec VOC and CDR you should realistically be giving gold toughness to your team throughout almost the entire mission

[spark canopy]

ideally

[frail citrus]

you go from having an ability that never lets you go down to an ability that relies on the failure of your teammates

[narrow frost]

I like to play wee woo vet

Revive shout with smokes in havoc

[frail citrus]

excuse you?

no

fuck you

goodbye

[narrow frost]

I run around smoking and reviving

[frail citrus]

you better hope i never catch you with a DOGSHIT BUILD like that buddy

[narrow frost]

It's so dumb

[frail citrus]

we only like meta builds here

[covert fable]

Havoc rlly shows u the value of smokes ngl

[frail citrus]

and if it’s not what I like

[narrow frost]

Speaking of builds

[frail citrus]

FUCK YOU

[narrow frost]

I love this one

[spark canopy]

smokes can be valid in havoc

[narrow frost]

I call it spaceship

[spark canopy]

especially in a gunner alley w/o a bubble psyker

[calm shard]

that can apply to normal auric gameplay too

[icy gulch]

That makes sense, I found myself doing that lol

[calm shard]

It's not like gunners magically stop being annoying

[hollow ibex]

Viable build

[frail citrus]

nope

[spark canopy]

it's an arbitrator

you can have the most dogshit unoptimized build

and still probably true solo an H40

because it's just that good

[icy gulch]

Me struggling with uprising

[spark canopy]

(probably not i just fucking hate arbitrators)

i;mf ighting my cat

[frail citrus]

lock in bro

you haven’t experience peak yet

[spark canopy]

for control of my keyboard

[frail citrus]

auric QP is easy trust

you don’t need to be afraid

[spark canopy]

i hate auric rotten armor missions

especially as vet

[frail citrus]

i’m not a fan of this modifier either TBH but i do like the reskins for the enemies

[spark canopy]

true true true

[calm shard]

It's pus hardened skin 2

[frail citrus]

i hope we see them return outside of the modifier

[spark canopy]

it honestly makes me mad though

[calm shard]

Not as bad as pus hardened, but still annoying

[frail citrus]

1 blocked message

1 blocked message

[spark canopy]

because i was grinding doing the vet's krak grenade penance

[calm shard]

Is this guy still crashing out over me calling chorus bad?

jesus

[icy gulch]

I will do the locking in. Well I don't do horrible.

[ember nest]

condition is bleed right

[spark canopy]

and all of a sudden this event comes along

[frail citrus]

i just think “let’s give the enemies more health” is a lazy way to increase difficulty

[spark canopy]

oh yeah absolutely

the only time it is acceptable is

and that's the only time it's acceptable

[ember nest]

all armored enemies count towards the krak penance

not just crushers

[spark canopy]

yeah i know

[frail citrus]

yes even the little ADs

the bs enemies

[buoyant pewter]

Do you run No One Left Behind? (One of my favorite nodes for Pubs)

[spark canopy]

the bruisers?

[narrow frost]

You got this, just keep learning and leveling. The game doesn't start until you are weapon maxed and level maxed

[ember nest]

all armored enemies

[narrow frost]

No but I could

Sounds funny

[spark canopy]

holy fuckamole

[covert fable]

Mh friend calls them weenies

[ember nest]

scab gunners
scab stalkers (shooters)
scab ragers
maulers (OFC)
Bruisers

[spark canopy]

i call them chaff

[ember nest]

all of them

[frail citrus]

the game is really not that difficult once you start getting the motions of it all down

it will click

[spark canopy]

that's silly

[calm shard]

Yeah that means shotgunners too, and the moebian 21st who can spawn in Mortis Trials

[ember nest]

oh right shotgunners

[frail citrus]

i call them bullshit enemies but i remember in destiny 2 they were called ads

[spark canopy]

that's tremendously silly

[frail citrus]

i don’t think there’s a right name for them

[spark canopy]

ads, chaff, itty bitties, fleas

[ember nest]

poeple get hung up on that penance and only throw kraks at crushers

[spark canopy]

there's a bunch of names for them

oh no i wasn't throwing them just at crushers

[ember nest]

just start spamming kraks at anything even vaguely armored

[spark canopy]

i was throwing them at bulwarks, maulers, crushers, reapers

[calm shard]

And hope to god that somehow your teammates don't get to them first

[spark canopy]

it still took a while

[frail citrus]

honestly tho if you focus on just those kinds of enemies tho it helps with practicing krak placement

[spark canopy]

because of the amt of kill thirsty cockjugglers

[calm shard]

I don't know if bulwarks count

[frail citrus]

all of the penances are basically just “practice gitting gud”

[spark canopy]

mayhaps not

[ember nest]

nah screw that the worst grenade is one you aren't throwing

[covert fable]

lol that works

[spark canopy]

except MMF's penance

that's just ass

[frail citrus]

which one is that

[calm shard]

Gotta be missing at least one to have grenade regen do its thing

[ember nest]

nah even mmf can be cheesed LOL

recon lasgun

[spark canopy]

2500 enemies at 10 stacks of Marksman Focus

[narrow frost]

It can

[ember nest]

applu to heads

[calm shard]

Man I like MMF, but that penance takes too damn long

[ember nest]

I did the penance in like

[calm shard]

And encourages bad use of the keystone despite

[spark canopy]

there are just better keystone

[ember nest]

4? 5 missions?

[spark canopy]

yeah no so did i

it's just fucking annoying lmao

[frail citrus]

inf lasgun and start clicking on heads, that or recon honestly

i did that with my inf

[spark canopy]

yeah i know i did it already

[calm shard]

I did it with Recon Lasgun XIV since it has cleave

[frail citrus]

yessir

[spark canopy]

i have mow vet

[ember nest]

fully pernanced vet gang

the only one I haven't done is like zealot

[spark canopy]

i just hated the fucking mmf penance lmao

my last one is arby

[ember nest]

and that's because I don't care to do the zealot ones rn

[frail citrus]

there are some really stupid penances on every class

[spark canopy]

as soon as i do 5 more arby missions i'm done with all class specific penances

[frail citrus]

that one zealot one where you have to kill 40 enemies in 10 seconds who got stunned

god forbid your teammates kill ONE of those enemies

GG

[spark canopy]

yeah that was annoying

[ember nest]

the unseen assassin penance seems dull

[spark canopy]

i did HiSTG on Carnival Auric

[calm shard]

Probably doesn't help Zealot that a lot of their abilities are stupid and encourage bad gameplay

[frail citrus]

carnival my beloved

best location we’ve gotten yet

best music, best missions

best dialogue, best design

[ember nest]

this is mainly why I don't even wanna bother with some of the penances

[frail citrus]

peak

[ember nest]

even with psyker it was actual challenges

[calm shard]

Like oh my god the fucking Loner penance

[ember nest]

with zealot its like "be a detriment for an extended period of time"

[spark canopy]

i still think that cliffhanger penance was fucking atrocious

[calm shard]

It's so miserable

[frail citrus]

the only psyker penance i’ve had consistent trouble with is that private game one and that’s just cuz i don’t wanna LFG

too many losers who LFG

[spark canopy]

Zealot penances are kinda easy but they just require you to be useless for an extend period of time

[calm shard]

You have to take this shitty useless 3 second stealth and go fuck off into narnia to rely on the terrible "backstab" detection

[frail citrus]

like a certain someone here…

[hybrid plover]

time zones be time zoning. i'm sorry 😭

[spark canopy]

the loser (sorry, loner) penance was annoying as hell

because you either had to play like a bitch

[ember nest]

I just private game'd it w/ my bf on the admonition summon map lol

[spark canopy]

or you had to be like "OGRYN STOP FOLLOWING ME I GOT THIS"

[ember nest]

garunteed spawn there

[calm shard]

Either way it ends up griefing your team

[frail citrus]

you have to tell your team ahead of time but also stick close enough to where you’re still a helpful teammate

[spark canopy]

yeah

the only

exception i can think of

is comms plex 154/2f

where you have the standoff in the generator room below the archivum

with the shotgunners and gunners spawning in the room opposite of you

[frail citrus]

yeah but i have maybe like 2 friends who play this game and they only
like playing up to heresy

[spark canopy]

that's the only time it's acceptable to not be with your team

[calm shard]

I like that room it is good clip farming killing those guys

[frail citrus]

can’t convince them to try “endgame” content for my life

“it’s too much!!”

NOOO ITS NOT YOURE JUST NOT LOCKED IN

[ember nest]

damnation is too much???

[spark canopy]

i like the lower tier havoc stuff, like havoc 1-24 or so

[hybrid plover]

for some, yes

[spark canopy]

but once it gets to emperor's fading light II

[frail citrus]

35+ havoc is when it starts being too much for me

[spark canopy]

it's just annoying because it's always pink

[hybrid plover]

damnation is not easy for the average person

[ember nest]

I have never gotten to do a 35+

[spark canopy]

it's always pink, always orange, or always red

[frail citrus]

it’s when i feel like no matter what i take im no longer doing enough damage to have fun

[ember nest]

I must be joated

[sudden cedar]

Everyone has their difficulty and some simply don't want to rise above theirs. And that is fine.

[frail citrus]

and my team gets too separated

[calm shard]

I like 21+ on Havoc because it's the exact moment where people get the wakeup call "hey this game mode is hard"

[hybrid plover]

we're just severely autistic for this game so it seems easy to us

[calm shard]

And I like seeing randoms struggle with it and make it through or fail

I usually hover around the 30s for that reason

[frail citrus]

havoc 25-33 is probably my sweet spot for difficulty and enjoyment

[spark canopy]

the highest i've attempted was a 32. spent like 45 minutes only to get wiped by a healing captain, plogryn, and burgle

[calm shard]

Do still play 40s occasionally because gun psyker supremacy must be spread

[frail citrus]

but i don’t play havoc cuz its too toxic

[spark canopy]

i love this game dearly

but please

for the love of FUCK

[sudden cedar]

Havoc is a lot about a good team and good company

[spark canopy]

do not make bosses modified

do not make a captain pink

do not make the twins pink

[ember nest]

this game > helldivers for skill expression by far

[hybrid plover]

man yesterday was a good humbling experience that no matter how good you are, h40 will just kick your shit in

[spark canopy]

do not give the bosses healing factors

[covert fable]

Havoc 40 is like a whole different game from auric ngl

[ember nest]

and it's not even close

crunchie lmk when ur down 2 play

[hybrid plover]

it is just not a fair experience sometimes

[frail citrus]

high key, the healing modifier is probably one of the stupidest things they’ve ever added into this game. i liked it at first, but playing at the higher difficulties and watching all the bosses go from 25% HP to full because 1 shotgunner that’s clipped inside of them all is ridiculous

[covert fable]

Hello

[ember nest]

hi

[spark canopy]

like i think there should be a penalty for leaving a healing enemy alive

[covert fable]

I can play in roughly 6 hours

[spark canopy]

but it shouldn't be the sole reason you lose a run

[covert fable]

Or less not sure

[ember nest]

I think I've only gotten to like havoc 32 so far

[calm shard]

purple doesn't really heal bosses enough to keep them alive unless your entire team is distracted

[spark canopy]

four bosses

[calm shard]

but god it makes crushers/bulwarks nearly impossible to kill

[buoyant pewter]

Some people are perma in Heresy, Damnation and Auric, never touching Maelstrom/3VEG or Havoc

[spark canopy]

pink enemies

[hybrid plover]

garden is probably the biggest skill check in the game

[spark canopy]

hate garden

[frail citrus]

i can’t believe people have never experience auric maelstrom

[calm shard]

purple mauler in the middle of a stack of bulwarks/ogryns

[spark canopy]

hate garden so much

[sudden cedar]

Garden is fine.

[hybrid plover]

honestly

[spark canopy]

purple bulwark

[ember nest]

I dunno I guess

[hybrid plover]

i'd rather garden

than blight

[ember nest]

blight < garden

[tall torrent]

nah, red is

[sudden cedar]

FUCK blight spreads

[frail citrus]

i hate the blight lol

[calm shard]

I'm fine with a purple bulwark but at least I can kill the fucker because he's tall

[spark canopy]

blight isn't too bad if you have a beacon of purity zealot

[frail citrus]

makes hordes into twin bombs

[hybrid plover]

you know what, fair

[calm shard]

All else fails I can just shoot his bald head over his shield to kill him

[sudden cedar]

Getting punished for playing the game at its core is.. not fun.

[calm shard]

Regardless of where he is in the crowd

[frail citrus]

i forgot about blight, it hasn’t been in rotation for a minute now i feel like

moebian 21st too

[spark canopy]

blight spreads shouldn't be able to spread to enemies

[buoyant pewter]

Some just haven't, and its cause they're cool with what they got at their difficulty level, and that's all good! Nothing wrong with staying in the lower difficulties cause its what you prefer

[hybrid plover]

gotta know to kill that fucking elite before it becomes a serious problem

[calm shard]

Rare build variety opportunity for that class

[spark canopy]

like it should be one enemy that's green

[ember nest]

reminds me that I need to max height my vet at some point 😭

[spark canopy]

and boom

[sudden cedar]

21st is a pushover really.

[buoyant pewter]

Some people just prefer the lower difficulties

[spark canopy]

that's it

[ember nest]

I have a min height vet rn

[spark canopy]

why tho

[calm shard]

min height can still hit bulwarks over their shield just not at point blank

[frail citrus]

yeah fr i’m not hating, it took me a bit to get comfy with maels but still. it’s probably the most fun ive had in this game

[covert fable]

It's really annoying to play as min height rn

[frail citrus]

yeah but they look cooler

[calm shard]

Max height gives you an objective advantage when it comes to killing bulwarks

[tall torrent]

purple is mainly target priority until healing captain which honestly prob shouldn't be in the game
red is pretty much always a skill check

[sudden cedar]

Min height gives you an objective advantage when taking cover

[calm shard]

Stab attacks can hit them over their shield if you jump and angle them correctly, and you can easily shoot them over their shield at any distance

[spark canopy]

red is easy enough

purple though

fuck purple bosses

shouldn't exist

fuckass modifier

[hybrid plover]

honestly, true. healing captains are so annoying

[tall torrent]

just healing captain is wack

[warm schooner]

purple is an iq test

[hybrid plover]

just no counterplay to it

[narrow frost]

Healing captains are good and bad

Since they don't get healed themselves

[spark canopy]

purple elites/specialists are alright

because they don't have a shield

[narrow frost]

Depending on situation way easier to burst down

[sudden cedar]

@warm schooner Does that mean, a lot of people fail said test and are thus.. not very intelligent?

[calm shard]

yeah healing captains can really suck

[spark canopy]

and don't have an obscene health pool

healing captains should not exist

[tall torrent]

captains also take the longest to kill of any boss cuz of dmg gates

[grand perch]

oh boy blight is back, I CANT WAIT FOR PUS HARDENED TO MAKE A COMEBACK AS WELL

[calm shard]

I have force greatsword privilege and can usually leverage my damage to one shot things to get around it

[narrow frost]

Tomorrow

[sudden cedar]

I take Pus Hardened over Blight Spreads.

[narrow frost]

Just you wait

[spark canopy]

i've not played for long enough to experience pus hardened

[calm shard]

Why did they even keep the shitty old havoc modifiers

What's the point

[frail citrus]

pus hardened is barely even that noticeable depending on the difficulty tbh

[spark canopy]

is pus hardened really that hard?

[grand perch]

its just vet racism

[calm shard]

Rotten Armor has mostly the same effect of 75% ranged damage resistance

[spark canopy]

or does it just decrease cleave

[sudden cedar]

Well it depends.

[hybrid plover]

it's not that it's hard necessarily

[spark canopy]

ah okay

[tall torrent]

no
it's just "fuck u for playing veteran"

[sudden cedar]

It makes range feel awful.

[calm shard]

Pus Hardened can apply it to any elite or specialist enemy in the game

[grand perch]

no its not its just annoying asf

[calm shard]

Oh and also bosses I think?

[spark canopy]

so it's rotten armor lite

[sudden cedar]

Since a lot of people seem to use range as a crutch so they can avoid melee.. yes it is bad.

[hybrid plover]

it's basically the otherside of why blight is a problem

[frail citrus]

it’s been nuts recently, i got kicked over the weekend in casual matches by a bunch of arbs

[ember nest]

pus just makes your actions inconsistent

[frail citrus]

VOC haters

[buoyant pewter]

This

[hybrid plover]

just makes your range invalidated

[tall torrent]

no, worse

[calm shard]

Pus means that that trapper you used to be able to one shot now takes like 6 shots

Or a gunner that just eats bolter rounds for breakfast

[sudden cedar]

Just my humble opinion and observations, really. I know iam in the Veteran chat and the sharks are already circling around me.

[calm shard]

It's so awful

[buoyant pewter]

Rotten Armor the event has made it very clear most people are very uncomfortable or not have good fundamentals in melee

[tall torrent]

because rotten armor only spawns on 3 enemies and those 3 u usually don't deal with via ranged

[spark canopy]

i don't mind melee

[tall torrent]

whereas pus spawns on flamers, bombers, trappers, gunners, reapers

[ember nest]

hopefully rework soon 🙏

[spark canopy]

but when it's a clown car of eight crushers/maulers in one another

[ember nest]

when does FS get back again

[tall torrent]

and ur prob not gonna melee charge 42 reapers across a hallway

[spark canopy]

i kinda freak out

[calm shard]

But you can sure die trying!

[buoyant pewter]

I'm in agreement with you

[sudden cedar]

@buoyant pewter Yes. Quite so. I've had a fair share of situations where i had to somehow clean up the mess that got left behind when everyone else died. With a Thunder Hammer and a Vigilant Autogun mind you. And it works.

[tall torrent]

also pus is only ranged DR

[spark canopy]

like if it's one or two crushers i can do that easy

[tall torrent]

so psyker is, again, unfairly advantageous

[frail citrus]

i think what separates good vets from bad vets is how well they can skirmish. vet has always been a skirmish class to me, not really exclusively ranged

[hybrid plover]

it makes the enemies you really should be engaging at range, completely unable to be dealt with at range

[tall torrent]

despite already being highest dmg class

[sudden cedar]

I didn't even use "meta build" weapons like DS and.. whatever ranged is considered that on Zealot.

[calm shard]

(It's also a melee class)

[ember nest]

lol

[covert fable]

Bubblegum psyker is amaxing

[tall torrent]

psyker in general is op

[sudden cedar]

The Emperor has given us a melee weapon, so use it!

[tall torrent]

broken piece of kit

[muted peak]

Any stealth build you guys can recommend?

[frail citrus]

good ones at that

[spark canopy]

none

[tall torrent]

they can prob balance psyker if they gave every enemy x0.3 warp DR in havoc

[calm shard]

gun psyker wins again

[spark canopy]

infiltrate is ass

do not use

[tall torrent]

at least it takes aim to play

[ember nest]

is this because of the purg staff lmfao

[muted peak]

I need a change of pace

[calm shard]

yeah

[hybrid plover]

yes

[tall torrent]

no

just soulblaze in general

[hybrid plover]

or well

[ember nest]

see ppl can't even agree on it

smh

[hybrid plover]

soulblaze-

yeah

[tall torrent]

and psyker has more than inferno to ignore mass as a mechanic

[calm shard]

soulblaze is so stupidly easy to apply

[hybrid plover]

soulblaze as a concept is just overpowered

[tall torrent]

VB, smite

[covert fable]

Yeah I think @sonic kayak was using it yesterday, basically said "no" to gunners 😂

[calm shard]

FGS wave charges so unbelievably fast

[ember nest]

I love me fgs

[sudden cedar]

Infiltrate is useful for doing objectives when everything is drowning in enemies, reviving someone who's karking it somewhere far away and .. uh... dumping all your aggro on your teammates and fucking them over.

[tall torrent]

psyker has some incredibly busted talents

[calm shard]

kill a havoc 40 doomstack of bruisers/ragers in 5 seconds because haha fgs wave go brrrrrrr

[tall torrent]

psyk aura needs to be obliterated

empathic evasion needs to be obliterated

soulblaze needs to be obliterated

[ember nest]

okay give me more toughness DR

[spark canopy]

newest fatshark update rolls out

[sudden cedar]

Psyker needs to be obliterated. Signed, the Zealot.

[hybrid plover]

honestly, i just think soulblaze needs a much lower max cap

[spark canopy]

all psykers are now classified as eta+ and omega+ psykers

[tall torrent]

VB's stagger needs to be obliterated

[spark canopy]

and are able to cleanse entire maps just by blinking

[hybrid plover]

it'd be fine if it wasn't able to get to absurd values

[covert fable]

Are you a zealot main e.e

[tall torrent]

yea nerf from 31 down to 3

yes pls

[ember nest]

psyker is like the one class I don't think needs any tweaks

[sudden cedar]

@covert fable Yes.

[spark canopy]

arbitrator needs a nerf before psyker

because psyker's whole thing

is being a glass cannon

[tall torrent]

it's the 1 class that needs the most number of tweaks

[spark canopy]

you do fuckass amts of damage

[covert fable]

Remove arby, keep the dog

[spark canopy]

but if you get sneezed on

well there goes half your health

[calm shard]

god no

[tall torrent]

arb and og are just stat padded classes

[hybrid plover]

nah psyker needs it more tbh

[calm shard]

psyker has way more busted shit than arbites

[tall torrent]

psyker is entirely mechanically busted

horribly designed

[spark canopy]

i just hate arbitrators

[calm shard]

that class is fucked man

[spark canopy]

total arbitrator death

plus like 80% of them are racists or judge dredd wannabes

[hybrid plover]

arby and ogryn in concept aren't busted. they just need some tune down on certain numbers

[tall torrent]

just stat padded classes

[hybrid plover]

psyker in concept is actually broken

[spark canopy]

as it should be

[tall torrent]

unlike psyker who needs ~80 nerfs to be considered anywhere near balanced territory

[spark canopy]

arbitrator has like

3 mandatory nodes that increase toughness/health

i think other classes get like 1 or 2

[ember nest]

is there like a list of complaints that shows off what all is tilting high diff players abt psyker

[spark canopy]

"too good"

i have to admit though

i had a inferno brittle psyker helping me

[hybrid plover]

i could name a few

[spark canopy]

and it was great

[ember nest]

no like is it all written down somewhere

[tall torrent]

1. soulblaze's ability to scale DPS indefinitely into density thanks to talents & blessings
2. psyker's weapons that straight up don't interact with cleave therefore further nullifying density
3. psykinetic's aura being the strongest CDR talent in the game, and psyker having busted CDR in general
4. psyker's direct dmg scaling is ludicrous for how many buffs u have (u quite literally can spawn in with 22.5% base crit chance on a finesse class)
5. smite

bonus: there is almost ZERO incentive to be at low peril so the peril mechanic itself is quite boring in application

[calm shard]

yeah that all seems about correct

[spark canopy]

needs to be more broken

[hollow ibex]

Fatshart likes (peril) edging

[calm shard]

left out a note about that base crit chance in that it is also directly tied to their ability to ignore what are usually the most threatening enemies

[spark canopy]

must be eta+ or omega+ psyker

must be able to brain burst burgle instantly

[covert fable]

Did you have this saved somewhere

[tall torrent]

2 of those 6 are busted in stats
4 (majority) are mechanically busted

[ember nest]

so is it like FS's own approach to difficulty causing this or what

[calm shard]

Empathic Evasion combined with psyker's high and very easy to upkeep crit chance means that they're just passively immune to all ranged damage most of the time

So you just don't really have to engage in gameplay the same way other classes do

Even as a gun psyker

[tall torrent]

yea I was telling hahnda (psyker main) why she cannot play psyker without cheesing the game

[ember nest]

is this like using recon las or what

[calm shard]

Any of the staves do it too

They all build crit

[hybrid plover]

anything that's full auto or attacks quickly

[calm shard]

Or just melee

[spark canopy]

is this a bad time to ask for a good psyker build

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1382070913973092464/slap.gif

[ember nest]

why not ask in the psyker channel

[ember nest]

[narrow frost]

Assail gaming

[covert fable]

This is the best channel

[calm shard]

holy hell 500% cleave assail

[spark canopy]

any specific weapons to go with it boss man a tron

[narrow frost]

Lighting staff

[tall torrent]

EE needs to be crit weakspot only, with shorter duration (max 0.6s)
then maybe it'll be slightly balanced

[narrow frost]

And obscurus force sword

Tis what I use

[spark canopy]

okilydokily

[hollow ibex]

lol gunker is so busted, I feel like I have to take EP instead of DD to give my team a chance

[narrow frost]

Try heavy light light on a crusher in test room

[calm shard]

It's suuuuch a power trip though

[narrow frost]

I think obscurus still has fastest crusher ttk

[calm shard]

Deimos can one shot them, but if it doesn't then Obscurus is faster

And Obscurus takes less damage juicing to get its fast kill

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-sad-shower-shivering-gif-4188727090959644656

meanwhile us mmf vets

[covert fable]

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-wyd-cat-scratching-cat-scratch-cleaning-screen-gif-15994084353171838166

[calm shard]

I enjoy playing MMF vet

[tall torrent]

dw when/if skirmisher becomes good maybe vet will be able to afford a single stam regen delay node by not taking bottom left beyond precision strikes

[hollow ibex]

Hey you can one shot crushers if you stack like 30 buffs

[spark canopy]

anything special for the lightning staff or obscurus?

[calm shard]

It gives me the glass cannon tingly feeling that gun psyker does without having me completely dominate the lobby

So my teammates get to play the game blissfully unaware of why they haven't seen a gunner or specialist for the past 20 minutes

[narrow frost]

Staff left click is faster trash clear, right click staggers and more armor damage

H L L single target

L H loop for horde

Special only for boss and mutant

[spark canopy]

i meant more so in the blessing/perk department for either of the weapons

but thank you

[narrow frost]

Ah

Warp res dump both

[tall torrent]

still op
right side psyker is less mechanically busted but more stat padded, so closer to arb/og in how it's op

[ember nest]

what's like the ideal obscurus combo

[narrow frost]

Staff flak then crit chance/unyielding/carapace/maniac

[spark canopy]

sexy

[narrow frost]

@ember nest

[narrow frost]

Nexus surge/flurry

[ember nest]

kk

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1315586614495547485/lol.mp4?ex=6757f303&is=6756a183&hm=0fbea70325e78a350fcb6db2feab58f353799df47e58cb19627b1a99848ac81d&

[calm shard]

Oh no I was talking about MMF+Exe vet

I was saying that on gun psyker I do completely dominate the lobby a lot of the time

My friends that I play with have complained about such

[covert fable]

What the fuck man

I have to do like 30 combos on vet to achieve that (joke)

[tall torrent]

least broken psyker weapon btw

[calm shard]

I was saying that MMF vet lets me enjoy the glass cannon playstyle of Psyker without being comically oppressive to my teammates as well

[hollow ibex]

Least busted psyker moment

[narrow frost]

I have a clip somewhere

Where I kill 5 crushers in 6 seconds

With it

[covert fable]

Vet chat turning into psyker propaganda

[ember nest]

this reminds me of oggie pickaxe overhead

[tall torrent]

what's the propaganda

[spark canopy]

branx my beloved

[covert fable]

This 😭

[calm shard]

need a sound mod that replaces the branx heavy attack sound with the taco bell sound

[tall torrent]

propaganda implies I'm making shit up
but I'm not

[buoyant pewter]

There is a reason why a lot of Vet players swap over to Psyker too

[ember nest]

is this because of warp charges or

like mechanically what is happening here

[narrow frost]

Damage.

[calm shard]

It needs uncanny and I think 2 warp charges to kill there

[hybrid plover]

au damage

[tall torrent]

psyker being op?

[calm shard]

Doesn't need the other things stacked

But they missed the headshot on the 2nd swing

[ember nest]

eyeroll bath
Thank you gun

[tall torrent]

no just uncanny

[covert fable]

Oh my mistake I'm thinking of a different word 😭

[tall torrent]

but psyker is op

[calm shard]

Oh does it? I swear you needed a warp charge or two's worth of damage to make it happen

[ember nest]

I'm not seeing how uncanny alone is doing this
am trying to test it myself

[calm shard]

But then I don't play staff psyker

I'm used to killing crushers by looking at them funny

[tall torrent]

in practice with the other buffs up u can do it pretty easily

[calm shard]

Yeah obv

It's not like 1 or 2 warp charges is exactly uncommon

[narrow widget]

crushers getting crushed 😭 😭

[ember nest]

I'm seeing 2 H L L combos to kill

[buoyant pewter]

Now the question is; is all the psykers in general play just major skill-issue or is it just ignoring the power within the class that makes them tank the floor so often?

[calm shard]

Yeah psyker has a notable skill floor because of their fragility even if they can largely ignore game mechanics

[narrow widget]

psyker is great if you can survive long enough to get value

[calm shard]

You still have to have the brain cells to actually dodge

Or you get soloed by poxwalkers

[tall torrent]

both?

[narrow widget]

or if you just take flame staff and murder everything within a 10 meter radius of yourself

[calm shard]

But like if you're not an idiot you have all the tools to just ignore the mechanics of the game that usually get good players killed

soooooooooooooooo

[ember nest]

bath ik you got like a major hate boner but these chud ass answers aren't going to help people understand why things are broken

[tall torrent]

people are not good at the game, that's normal
people also don't understand why psyker is op and it takes explaining to have them vaguely comprehend 5% of why psyker is op, that's also normal

[narrow frost]

found it

[tall torrent]

didn't I literally post it above why psyker is op

[ember nest]

idc

[tall torrent]

?

[ember nest]

I asked about a mechanic and you instead went "because overpowerd"

[tall torrent]

the sword itself is that strong wat else am I supposed to say lol

u don't even have to run uncanny to do this

[ember nest]

like I'm trying to figure out what the hell is going on w/ obscurus to be pumping that much damage (uncanny alone isn't doing anything close to oneshotting)

[narrow frost]

@spark canopy

[tall torrent]

uncanny is just simple

[narrow frost]

hit head

do damage

[tall torrent]

u could run precog + riposte and do the same thing but much better vs bosses

[spark canopy]

it's taking me 2 H L L combos to kill a combo with like 75 peril

[ember nest]

thankfully we have ppl like gunker who even bother writing it out

[narrow frost]

have uncanny?

[ember nest]

doesnn't seem much different without peril either lol

am also seeing 2 H L L

[spark canopy]

2 stam
25 maniac
uncanny
precog

[narrow frost]

precog isnt working in testing

you cant dodge anything

you are missing out on 60% finesse

[ember nest]

got 4 warp charges rn too

[narrow frost]

60%?

I forgor

[hybrid plover]

60 yeah

which on psyker

is insanely powerful

[calm shard]

oh right I took +carapace off of my force sword

[buoyant pewter]

So between Obscurus and Deimos, I assume people take mostly Deimos for the hard stagger on the second heavy while taking Obscurus for the faster TTK?

[calm shard]

yeah

Deimos is also better for gun psyker because you get enough damage to enable Deimos heavy to one shot things

[tall torrent]

deimos safer
obscurus more dmg

[hybrid plover]

also correct me if i'm wrong

i think that's also on max slaughterer stacks

[narrow frost]

yer

[hybrid plover]

there we go

that was tripping me up too til i saw the widget

[tall torrent]

yes
but this is without most other common buffs up

[narrow frost]

precog

[tall torrent]

warp rider entirely not active here

no crit either (given psyker spawns in at nearly 20%)

[hollow ibex]

How much worse is Deimos horde clear again?

[calm shard]

It's not that bad

Just has small hitboxes cause it's all diagonals

[ember nest]

oh no wonder

[tall torrent]

this is straightforwardly as barebones as it gets because staff psyker usually doesn't build finesse

[ember nest]

slaughterer

[hollow ibex]

I’m not a huge fan of obscurus horde clear already

Tbh lol

[calm shard]

Oh boy light heavy loop horde clear yaaaaaaaaaay

Not like 2/3 of the melees in the game do that

[tall torrent]

also deimos being safer vs obscurus is not usually that big of a deal

because force swords' push atks stagger everything except mutant & bosses

[ember nest]

oh now I'm oneshotting with deimos

neat

[tall torrent]

so obscurus is not like, entirely unable to stagger

push atk also chains to H1 overhead which leads into this combo neatly

[hollow ibex]

Huh good to know

[tall torrent]

precog is an easier way to match slaughterer in obscurus's single target dps despite its low uptime

[hybrid plover]

it's also more practical for bossing

[tall torrent]

so if ur using obscurus exclusively to poke at ogryn/mauler on a staff build
precog prob better

[hybrid plover]

and with how you can build psyker, it's not like you really need extra cleave from slaughterer lol

[tall torrent]

but if ur using obscurus in a right side build
slaughterer is better horde clear

and what u lose from not taking precog is pretty easily made up for by DD

[tropic notch]

Tbh force swords are crazy

[hybrid plover]

true but DD + precog is just funny

[tall torrent]

me when I'm chastised for saying "psyker op"

[tropic notch]

Illis and obs are absolutely insane

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1025525686494035998/1398806968969461944/image0.gif

[tall torrent]

the sneak here is unreal

[tropic notch]

What

You don’t like the lawnmower?

Illis is funny

[tall torrent]

it's not even good at horde clear lol

[ember nest]

I wasn't even mad about that man

[tall torrent]

ik I'm half joking half serious when talking abt psyker

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[ember nest]

slaughterer stacks made a huge difference

it went from

[tame lodge]

Path doesn't like illisi

Ignore his slanders

[ember nest]

"Obscurus killed in 2 combos" to

"I headhsot a crusher with deimos and he imploded"

[tall torrent]

precog is an easier way to match slaughterer in obscurus's single target dps despite its low uptime

also u could run executor on force sword if ur into CBT

wouldn't recommend personally

[ember nest]

this kinda bs makes me wish BFGS had slaughterer

[tall torrent]

(it's prob the only psyker-exclusive weapon that's not good)

[ember nest]

bfgs poke is so fun

[tall torrent]

me when illisi has only like 4.8% better horde clear than knife VI

[hexed flare]

@tall torrent drop havoc 40 shout vet build ty

[tall torrent]

wat weapons

[hexed flare]

without plasma

don't care for primary

[narrow frost]

shovel agri Cshotgun

[tall torrent]

so what weapon is it

[hexed flare]

recon I suppose

[tall torrent]

I don't play recon

[hexed flare]

any other than isn't plasma? i want to pew pew things

[tall torrent]

helbore?

[buoyant pewter]

Laser musket go pew

[hexed flare]

sure i guess

[hybrid plover]

mkvi knife hot shot helbore :B

[covert fable]

I thought you said hotpot

[hybrid plover]

okay i haven't actually tried that in h40 but i actually want to

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/hotpot-spicy-gif-11183348

Mmmm hotpot

[hybrid plover]

makes the knife feel buttery smooth and i imagine that helps a lot with the hit mass horror that is h40

[covert fable]

Imagine we had to maintain weapons in darktide

Like durability and cleaning 😭

[serene bough]

if you take knife if H40 you may as well not consider hordes without shredders imo

doesnt clear well enough

[covert fable]

The knife is decent against hordes no?

Oh

[hybrid plover]

Not exactly

At least in h40

Because hit mass values are upped a lot

is why i mention hot shot helbore

since that counteracts it to an extent

[tall torrent]

power sword VI
unyielding, carapace
power cycler, sunder

helbore IIIa
maniac, unyielding
surgical, sustained fire

[tall torrent]

power sword VI
unyielding, carapace
power cycler, sunder

helbore IV
maniac, unyielding
surgical, sustained fire/hotshot/WoF

[hexed flare]

[hybrid plover]

i see a gambler

[buoyant pewter]

And then there is always just running PWsword in the melee slot over the knife.

[calm shard]

surprised to see marksman over sup complex

[calm shard]

maybe if the other universal melee weapons weren't so mid

I would love to use the shock maul

[tall torrent]

doesn't change 3a's breakpoints much
also no points to spare lol

[tame lodge]

Not decent
Ok at best

Mk6 that is

We don't talk about mk3

[buoyant pewter]

Funny shovel bonk though is more than enough to sell me into using it

[hybrid plover]

mk3 is solely a single target sorta weapon

[tall torrent]

wish superiority complex and +25% ammo swapped places

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-grimes-rick-grimes-the-walking-dead-rick-the-walking-dead-rick-grimes-twd-rick-twd-gif-26122601

[ember nest]

@calm shardwhat's your typical gunker setup

[tall torrent]

don't think I'd take the +25% ammo talent willingly for itself on any build

[calm shard]

I cannot think of a situation where I have taken that talent because I want the ammo

[hybrid plover]

ah yes

[calm shard]

Well actually

exe bolter

and WS double barrel

I kinda like having the extra ammo

[hybrid plover]

let's make a node that gives you extra ammo

[tall torrent]

meh

[calm shard]

But even then

[hybrid plover]

and then put the node that completely invalidates it for las weapons, underneath it!

brilliant idea

[tall torrent]

if u rly need the ammo just die and get rescued with half ammo

ez

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[buoyant pewter]

This has always been my frustration looking at the tree

[hybrid plover]

masterful gambit, obesefish

[buoyant pewter]

"Why is the ammo gambit after the ammo cache effect"

[tame lodge]

The CIVI strat

[hybrid plover]

it makes no god damn sense

i mean i guess if you're not running survivalist

and you're not using helbore or even laspistol

[tall torrent]

vet tree can instantly be a lot better if superiority complex swapped places with +25% ammo
and skirmisher stacked from each 1 stamina spent instead of from each 1 full second sprinting

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-meme-gif-23342140

[tall torrent]

make both happen and vet basically immediately gets a 40% dmg buff

[hybrid plover]

skirmisher is so unbelievably pointless

it annoys me

[buoyant pewter]

Yeah though I still feel that all classes should have a general restructure to remove grey nodes

[hybrid plover]

it is so close to being such a good node but the requirement just doesnt make sense

[tall torrent]

imagine if skirmisher was good and u could take precision strikes + superiority complex + marksman path on left side

[hexed flare]

am i losing it or is there 4 missing points here

[tall torrent]

4?

[hybrid plover]

there's nothing in right side

that's probably whats tripping you up

[hexed flare]

sorry the first one

i tagged the wrong picture

[tall torrent]

this?

[hybrid plover]

oh

yeah i have no idea. looks fine to me

[hexed flare]

oh nvm i am losnig it

[calm shard]

one sec enough people keep asking me like I'm some kind of gun psyker authority that I'm just going to put my build on games lantern

[buoyant pewter]

It is likely due to your name

XD

[tall torrent]

change ur name to gun enjoyer instead