ok I'll try with Mk1
#veteran-class
sonic kayak
But you're attacking with the serrated part of the shovel not the blunt end on the Mk 3, so it makes sense
hybrid plover
With hordes, push, and then heavies. For single target, like crushers, that's when you want to use the push attack.
hollow ibex
the damage on the lights is kinda pathetic tho
snow cypress
With hordes, push, and then heavies. For single target, like crushers, that's wh...
ohhhhhhhh I understand
sonic kayak
the damage on the lights is kinda pathetic tho
Not denying it 
snow cypress
and which perks could I use?
hollow ibex
i tried running a meme bleed shovel build with mk3, that's how i realized how bad the lights damage is lol
copper mango
Hello everyone: Quick question, does precision strikes ( 30%weak spot damage) apply to grenades?
covert fable
I hope It applies to everything
narrow frost
grenades hit a differnt part of enemies, so no
sonic kayak
Hello everyone: Quick question, does precision strikes ( 30%weak spot damage) ap...
Doubt it, even with Fatshark's spaghetti code
hybrid plover
and which perks could I use?
Flak/maniac + carapace is my picks
copper mango
grenades hit a differnt part of enemies, so no
Thanks
hybrid plover
If you decide to go serrated blade, unyielding also isn't a bad choice but I would not recommend trying to square up with bosses without serrated.
sonic kayak
I only use it on the shovel 
hybrid plover
No I mean tax nodes.
covert fable
Ah I took it too literally..
covert fable
No I mean tax nodes.
Tbh it's not like u need the keystones
livid citrus
Any hot takes on what’s the most fun build for vet
frail citrus
whats with the anti-vet crusade as of recent
ive been vote kicked the last 4 games because im running VOC vet
which was preluded by shit talking and shaming
covert fable
People can't use vet (skill issue) and assume others can't probabl
or they see it as a weak class
covert fable
Any hot takes on what’s the most fun build for vet
Double barrel is really fun
frail citrus
or they see it as a weak class
no they saying it was OP class and lazy
and if i wanted to spam my abilities all game maybe i should try uninstalling and trying a diff game
livid citrus
IMO vet is not fkn op
frail citrus
just really weird stuff
covert fable
no they saying it was OP class and lazy
What
frail citrus
wanted to see if anyone else was experiencing the same stuff lol
distant plaza
Any hot takes on what’s the most fun build for vet
how about keystoneless?
covert fable
Are they smoking diamantine
livid citrus
I bet they’re saying this while playing arby lmfao
frail citrus
i dont remember vet hate ever being this bad
covert fable
Fr
frail citrus
I bet they’re saying this while playing arby lmfao
yes actually
every single one of them was full stack arb team
covert fable
Maybe they didn't play the game since vet came out
livid citrus
most broken fkn class
frail citrus
one of them i said "at least im not a ptw class" and they didnt like that
but
still i dont remember it being this frequent lol
i havent played vet in a minute tho
300 lvls took a break to get my other classes up to 200
covert fable
What build are you running
frail citrus
What build are you running
nothing crazy OP or crazy under powered
i been playing vet since day 1 so i run fun stuff
covert fable
Fair
frail citrus
but this time i was running plasma cuz i wanted to try out my new crosshair
so i guess kinda OP
frail citrus
youve never used plasma?
covert fable
But I should try it
covert fable
I normally like using recon lasgun vraks iag or db
frail citrus
VOC w/ Shovel or PSword and Recon Lasgun (Heavy) or Inf Lasgun
they were like stripping me down too
covert fable
VOC w/ Shovel or PSword and Recon Lasgun (Heavy) or Inf Lasgun
Inf lasgun is amazing
frail citrus
even started insulting my drip
covert fable
Not the drip 😭
frail citrus
"these vets always dressing up like theyre cool or something when theyre just losers"
covert fable
definitely zealot players
frail citrus
"keep playing that class and ill rip off those legs and beat you with them"
frail citrus
definitely zealot players
there was ONE game where i had a zealot actually
and they were shitting on him too
"dueling sword zealots... cancer of the game, worse than vets"
i have no clue what their problem was
covert fable
Ppl take it too seriously
covert fable
Making stuff personal over a game
frail citrus
Making stuff personal over a game
"my overpowered class is better than your overpowered class!"
they all OP dude plz just let me play
🙇♂️
hybrid solstice
Imagine people want to have fun in game
covert fable
Not allowed sorry
frail citrus
everyone must play what I think is the most fun
covert fable
Exactly
frail citrus
anything other than my standard is wrong and sabotaging our game
covert fable
now we're getting somewhere
frail citrus
need to get into that darktide mindset
sudden cedar
Mhm.. i just get people who explode poxbursters while iam next to them.
covert fable
Mhm.. i just get people who explode poxbursters while iam next to them.
Just put thanks in chat
And stare at them
sudden cedar
That would mean i hold a grudge.
covert fable
Nah
sudden cedar
Iam above that. Most of the time.
covert fable
The grudge can last until the match is over
serene bough
I always be sure to say "Sry" after blowing someone up with a pox burster
Unless it was funny, then I say "Sry lmao"
serene bough
One time I blew up a psyker and he flew into a cluster of 12 ragers
covert fable
Just common decency to say sorry
sonic kayak
Just put thanks in chat
I do this
Even with my friends
Sometimes you just blow up a burster
Grin and bear it
serene bough
It happens
What i really hate is when the arby dog knocks the buster closer to you sometimes
hollow ibex
What i really hate is when the arby dog knocks the buster closer to you sometime...
Good boy! Push it into the freak!
serene bough
True
covert fable
Imagine if arby dog attacked everything including demonhosts
covert fable
They should do that for April fools
mortal aspen
it can aggro DH
livid citrus
I always be sure to say "Sry" after blowing someone up with a pox burster
gotta say "shoulda moved"
covert fable
it can aggro DH
Can?
Do you have to ping the dh for it to target or does it have a mind of its own?
mortal aspen
nah, but the AoE bleed can aggro DH
icy gulch
"my overpowered class is better than your overpowered class!"
the reason i stopped playing warframe. after a while every frame is just a 1 button map clearing unfun frame
like everyone is op 😐 and everyone is trying to say they're better
covert fable
the reason i stopped playing warframe. after a while every frame is just a 1 but...
Don't u just one-shot everything endgame
late jungle
Do you have to ping the dh for it to target or does it have a mind of its own?
even if u ping the dh with the dog it wont attack it
serene bough
gotta say "shoulda moved"
Ill apologize if theyre not psykers
icy gulch
Don't u just one-shot everything endgame
yeah with massive AOE's the size of half the map
hybrid plover
Yea
icy gulch
even at lvl 9999
covert fable
yeah with massive AOE's the size of half the map
I tried that game for a bit but it gave me brainrot
serene bough
I wont tolerate kindness towards freaks and mutants
icy gulch
its just so braindead. like you just mash keys for 210 star chart missions with occasional decent story and cool looking fashion
if i want that i'll go play ff14
covert fable
Borderlands is a 10000 times better alternative to warframe
icy gulch
on god
covert fable
Not exactly same type of game but hk
icy gulch
not really the same type of game, but its fun af
serene bough
I remember playing warframe once during jts beta
hybrid plover
Regarding earlier, if someone shit talks and they're an arbitrator, their opinion is instantly invalidated
icy gulch
i mean even darktide. its just fun lol
serene bough
Never touched again
icy gulch
Regarding earlier, if someone shit talks and they're an arbitrator, their opinio...
but what if they maxed out all the other classes
covert fable
Ik in borderlands you can have insanely op builds but it's actually fun
hybrid plover
but what if they maxed out all the other classes
Don't care.
covert fable
The arby must prove themselves
icy gulch
i bought arby and was gonna play it as my first class but it felt wrong so i went vet
hybrid plover
My point is that it really doesn't hold weight to insult somebody as the class that's so overpowered that it's quite literally making the game worse
covert fable
i bought arby and was gonna play it as my first class but it felt wrong so i wen...
Lemme know whatu think of arby
hybrid plover
And it's funny because its usually arbites I've seen that genuinely shit talk for the smallest reasons
icy gulch
well i played it for about 10 minutes in the intro and i think commanding a dog is kinda neat
das bout it
covert fable
You also become immortal'
covert fable
It's prob fun to just annihilate everything with it
icy gulch
well i thought it was useful to command the doggo to attack like a gunner or sum
icy gulch
it's purty neat
sudden cedar
The dog can temporarily disable itself should it jump over a ledge into the void.
icy gulch
ah yes, a regenerating flesh mammal
sudden cedar
@covert fable And no, Castigators Stance does not make you immortal.
hybrid plover
<@811656687734882375> And no, Castigators Stance does not make you immortal.
It might as well to be honest.
sudden cedar
You receive very high damage reduction, but you still shouldn't eat an overhead or a sniper shot
hybrid plover
You receive very high damage reduction, but you still shouldn't eat an overhead ...
...You can.
covert fable
<@811656687734882375> And no, Castigators Stance does not make you immortal.
Over exaggeration on my end
hybrid plover
I mean true, you still take damage but the damage, is so miniscule that it barely matters in the moment.
It's an overexaggeration clearly but
It's not even that far from the truth.
covert fable
I remeber yesterday spectating an arby getting pummelled in the corner and his toughness was just regening instantly
hybrid plover
Castigator's is severely busted.
covert fable
Like he did die but he lasted so long
sonic kayak
You were also spamming "no" in chat whenever that guy was speaking 😭
"Varlet, press big button to continue. Understand?"
"No!"
hybrid plover
I remember when I was first trying to play it with castigator's and it was a sniper maelstrom
And tanked about... Six sniper shots.
covert fable
I got turned into a casualty after 1 sniper shot
hybrid plover
It's.
hybrid plover
It's really stupid.
I'm aware you shouldn't. But you can. That shouldn't even be possible to do.
And I didn't even take any meaningful damage.
That's why it's really not that much of a stretch to say Castigator's is just on demand Until Death.
You can still get screwed by poxbursters and snipers.
If anything, poxbursters is a stealth player's worst enemy.
unreal nova
Had two stealth karks in one game, was annoying.
unreal nova
One was trying to speedrun even.
covert fable
"Varlet, press big button to continue. Understand?"
"No!"
lol
hybrid plover
"Vaccuum capsule!"
pallid jetty
covert fable
There's something funny about seeing an ogryn walk up to a gunner and the gunners body just disappears after the ogryn moves away
covert fable
How many do you have 😭
pallid jetty
How many do you have 😭
hybrid plover
me at the Mk3 shotgun arbitrator
pallid jetty
covert fable
These voice messages spike my autism
pallid jetty
sonic kayak
pallid jetty
sonic kayak
hot finch
want an opinion on which outfit ya'll think is best
azure narwhal
@calm shard@narrow widget since i was talking to you guys about this, check this out. no change on the penance
covert fable
you look like bill from left 4 dead
hot finch
it's mostly the beret
covert fable
no armour outfit is nice tho
hearty turtle
Good lord it is taking forever to get the right plasma dump stats
covert fable
Good lord it is taking forever to get the right plasma dump stats
what was that again?
hearty turtle
68-69 thermal, 72-71 charge rate
sonic kayak
Good day, Captain Rex
covert fable
78% Stopping Power? Literally unsuable
-500k
hearty turtle
How does one properly use the plasma gun?
plain osprey
Sucks to be poor, dont it?
hearty turtle
No charge?
narrow frost
Plasmer moment
plain osprey
How does one properly use the plasma gun?
plain osprey
No charge?
At the current state of affairs, single shot spam, dont bother aiming.
But it is scheduled to recieve a nerf some time in the near future so people use the charge more so in the future you may have to adjust your playstile.
Or you take a better gun. Better as in less boring and sweatty
hearty turtle
Power sword go woosh
plain osprey
They need to tweak p sword
sonic kayak
How does one properly use the plasma gun?
Think of it as the perfect pocket sniper
It has no spread, perfect accuracy, not affected by suppression, pierces through cover and many enemies to hit those far-away gunners/specialists
that's it
Not good for carapace or bosses
tall torrent
How does one properly use the plasma gun?
hipfire headshot things u can't hit with melee in the next 2s
hearty turtle
While you're here bath, what are the perks and such for combat axe?
tall torrent
While you're here bath, what are the perks and such for combat axe?
unarmored, carapace
brutal momentum, headtaker
hearty turtle
Is dueling sword the same as on other classes?
icy gulch
why do i see everyone using the plasma gun? Are all the other guns redundant? I feel like the bolt pistol is really fun
tall torrent
boltpistol is ok
tall torrent
Is dueling sword the same as on other classes?
wdym same
orchid hemlock
why do i see everyone using the plasma gun? Are all the other guns redundant? I ...
Best ranged for me is bolt pistol, plasma, recon, and IAG
tall torrent
Same perks and blessings
what even are those
orchid hemlock
Oh and Helbore 😈
icy gulch
Best ranged for me is bolt pistol, plasma, recon, and IAG
right im in the exact same boat. i also did like that burst fire vigilant autogun or whatever its called
wait i mean the single shot not the burstfire
hearty turtle
what even are those
I think it's precog+riposte/uncanny for blessings
icy gulch
just somethin about making them turn into mist ketchup
hearty turtle
Ok they are different for each class it seems
That was for zealot. For the pskyer it says uncanny and shred
hybrid plover
shred is a weird blessing
you usually want to take riposte if you have both options
tall torrent
I think it's precog+riposte/uncanny for blessings
duelling sword IV
hybrid plover
and for psyker, it's entirely dependent on how you're playing them tbh
for example, if you're using inferno staff, you might want to consider uncanny + thrust
that up there explains it. it's not hard at all to hit max thrust stacks and you do crazy damage
if you use your special between heavies well enough, crushers quite literally cant even attempt to engage you before you oneshot them to oblivion
covert fable
Sounds like some Havoc would fix that <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
but chicken wings
hybrid plover
why do i see everyone using the plasma gun? Are all the other guns redundant? I ...
i'ma be real
i don't really see that many people use plasma anymore
been seeing a lot of bolters and agri shotguns for sure though
tall torrent
plasma not as good as arb
tall torrent
ext8 does almost the same thing at <15m and can spread to hit more things
also kills crusher & reaper faster
hybrid plover
the classic ds4 plasma
ew
atomic void
they get rid of the pesky annoying reapers 
tall torrent
they get rid of the pesky annoying reapers <:gigaxi:1332076070513545318>
helbore 2~3x better at that
atomic void
there's no ew in this game bro everyone is running meta on every class
atomic void
helbore 2~3x better at that
that would require people to actually aim
tall torrent
there's no ew in this game bro everyone is running meta on every class
would have been power sword then
atomic void
i do see power sword too
tall torrent
that would require people to actually aim
plasma also does lol
atomic void
vet is literally just
ds4/power sword/rashad
plasma/bolter/shotguns
the rare hellbore user
hybrid plover
there's no ew in this game bro everyone is running meta on every class
bold to assume i run meta B)
tall torrent
this is EU aurics
in auric who even cares lol
hybrid plover
i'm talkin auric too
like, that just sounds hella boring if i'll be completely honest
atomic void
in auric who even cares lol
i havent played havoc in ages
hybrid plover
auric has become the playground to try goofy shit for me
atomic void
you know what im starting my havoc grind right now
tall torrent
auric veteran meta is rashad/power sword + zarona revolver
nothing else on same level
atomic void
what class do i run chat
hybrid plover
what class do i run chat
the one that kills stuff
tall torrent
what class do i run chat
psyker / og / arb
hybrid plover
of course you rolled a die and got arb
tbf though, any class works. but it's an unfortunate reality that those three get the most returns for least effort
icy gulch
been seeing a lot of bolters and agri shotguns for sure though
i'll try using a shotgun, idk why i would tho
atomic void
huh game gave me 15 even tho i beat auric malestrom on arb
guess this is what happen s when u dont play for ages
hybrid plover
i'll try using a shotgun, idk why i would tho
because agri combat shotgun is actually really, really good right now
covert fable
what is this
hybrid plover
good spread pattern. slugs to snipe from afar. very good ammo economy
atomic void
bro why cant u choose your fkn server in havoc still 
hybrid plover
you literally do not need the 25% ammo node if you're running survivalist
atomic void
time to get an NA server cause im playign with someone on NA
hybrid plover
what is this
i mean i know what those talents are but what's the context here
covert fable
i was looking at the guide and didnt know what those were
hybrid plover
oh i see
covert fable
i found redirect fire
hybrid plover
So to explain a bit, Fire Team is an aura, and Redirect Fire is a subnode for Focus Target
Fire Team is considered the worst aura for vet but it does actually have some synergy with plasma
covert fable
OHH
covert fable
yup
hybrid plover
meaning, better breakpoints
icy gulch
😐
covert fable
i just got confused because i didnt know what those are 😭
icy gulch
gonna make sure i dont have fire team
hybrid plover
Fire Team really isn't as bad as people make it out to be
It's just
Not Survivalist
hybrid plover
<:neutral:843987552453001226>
i couldn't tell you
it's why i haven't been playing havoc as much
hybrid plover
if you're not playing havoc, you're fine honestly
havoc is literally the only place where you have to give a shit about something as micromanagy as the aura you pick
icy gulch
well i really really like survivalist
covert fable
@sonic kayak havoc?
icy gulch
but i also use high damage single shot weapons and that 5% i feel like does pretty well
hybrid plover
petition for fatshark to take blight out of the game btw
please just fucking take it out
atomic void
I got lights out ritural blight
sonic kayak
<@136384931583492096> havoc?
Sure, just finished a 17 with a bunch of randos lol
atomic void
icy gulch
does plasma have some kind of mechanic where allies do more damage to effected enemies?
hybrid plover
does plasma have some kind of mechanic where allies do more damage to effected e...
nah
icy gulch
oh ok
hybrid plover
but i also use high damage single shot weapons and that 5% i feel like does pret...
that's where fire team actually shines tbh
again, it's not a bad node
it just isn't surv
icy gulch
field improv good? or just go with demo stockpile
hybrid plover
field improv is... really situational honestly
hybrid plover
like it helps but with what it has to compete with, I usually don't take it
icy gulch
i don really have a problem with corruption and thats the only reason i would use it
sonic kayak
Then nah
Unless again, we're talking Havoc and we some some especially egregious shit like Blight
hybrid plover
<@136384931583492096> havoc?
whats da havoc
tame lodge
@tall torrent
hybrid plover
yeah it does
hybrid plover
30-39 is harder than 40 lol
sonic kayak
Past 30, it gets worse but incrementally not suddenly
covert fable
Past 30, it gets worse but incrementally not suddenly
ill prob regret it but ill use the heavy sword
icy gulch
i like the idea of marking enemies and getting a really big damage bonus, as well as teammates
sonic kayak
I mean, it's not bad
hybrid plover
just do not expect it to do much against carapace
covert fable
just do not expect it to do much against carapace
yup
sonic kayak
My go-to for Havoc is PSword, Plasma, smokes
As I mentioned earlier, I enjoy the ability to fuck anyone I choose in particular and ignore the geometry of the map
covert fable
this guy requested to join us like 3 times, i accepeted everytime and he has yet to join
4
sonic kayak
invites are weird
covert fable
oh
sonic kayak
I accepted one earlier but it timed out
covert fable
are u on?
sonic kayak
like much eariler in the day
hybrid plover
yes
covert fable
oke
hybrid plover
dun
uh
i accepted
nothing happ- oh
i
am running the funny grenade build
wait oh god it's this map
icy gulch
recon lasgun any good?
icy gulch
im trynna find it to inspect it but i can only find it in the armor so i have no idea what it does
i used the helbore and it felt awful
mk4 idk if that means much
hollow ibex
i used the helbore and it felt awful
It’s great but not the easiest to play
Despite massive buffs
icy gulch
i've always had problems with automatic weapons no matter the survival game.
as for the helbore, i can def see it being really good
i jus dont like it
serene bough
I dont like charge mechanics much but helbore is solid
Recon is definitely the easiest to pick up and do well with
hollow ibex
yeah recon is designed to just be as simple as possible
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331>
What kind of psyker builds toughness
hybrid token
"its called swag commissar, you wouldnt understand"
covert fable
my game crashed @sonic kayak @hybrid plover
hybrid plover
i had a suspicion
covert fable
i think game is giving me signs to not play havok
narrow frost
hybrid plover
what a hilarious spawn
covert fable
ikr
hybrid plover
spoony askin if ur comin back
hybrid plover
play what you feel comfy with
covert fable
np
hybrid plover
the bomber spam was absolutely absurd
i kept trying to get away from the pits but every single time i got out, there was a bomb ready to explode under my feet
covert fable
that was right after someone said this is going well xD
junior grail
that was right after someone said this is going well xD
Optimism? In my warhammer??
icy gulch
Remember who you are, reject
question
So is melee just there to control hordes? I know there are weapons meant for specific things but is it worth it to have- nvm this game is so in depth
junior grail
Some melee can compensate for ranged weapons weakness and vice versa
calm shard
So is melee just there to control hordes? I know there are weapons meant for spe...
melees vary based on design
junior grail
You may rely on ranged weapon for general shooting but need a high damage melee to break into heavier armoured enemies
calm shard
most of the meta ones currently are meta due to very high single target damage
icy gulch
see thats what i've been doin, i've been using ranged to deal with elite enemies while melee to help with hordes. but i really wanna use melee to deal with elite and guns on hordes. but i think on veteran i should keep it to where guns are for elite enemies
which leads me to think the combat shotgun is super good because you can engage at close and long range doing high single target damage while keeping a melee for hordes and trash
junior grail
I have one non meta build I like where I use Shredder Autopistol with Onslaught and Executioner Stance, melee can use Duelling Sword/Power Sword
icy gulch
i dont really understand automatic weapons. i have a hard time using them lol
junior grail
Slug Combat Shotty is great on Vet
Double Barrel Shotty too, makes you feel like Doom Slayer
surreal rune
shoutout to the burster that staggered towards me after being shot and then blew me off the map
icy gulch
combat feels amazing
calm shard
which leads me to think the combat shotgun is super good because you can engage ...
the shotgun for hordes
icy gulch
thats the one that does the most damage right?
calm shard
no
icy gulch
the spreadshot
junior grail
the shotgun for hordes
Look at all them weapon customisation mods hahaha
calm shard
slug shotty's spread is a little tight for it but it sure still cleaves
icy gulch
i for one want more sights
junior grail
just now trying uprising theres a massive difference lol
Keep going at it brotha, Tertium needs you
junior grail
can't get them without mods
If only the Arby Shotpistol is fixed
narrow frost
fixed?
junior grail
In the mod
narrow frost
kk
hybrid plover
<@811656687734882375> <@109528432425062400> gonna restart
@sonic kayak we are taking a break
tall torrent
see thats what i've been doin, i've been using ranged to deal with elite enemies...
Nah just in general guns are not for hordes
The only ranged weapons that are worth it vs horde are flamer, inferno staff and mk3 exterminator shotgun and they’re almost exclusively for mixed hordes (elites)
covert fable
that was like almost unplayable on veteran (skill issue)
icy gulch
voice of command doesnt effect allies? awww
covert fable
It gives them extra toughness
icy gulch
oh it doesnt regen it?
icy gulch
when i use it around allies it dont effect them at all
the blue bar?
didnt do nuffin
covert fable
You need the skill that branches off voice of command
junior grail
The left subnode of the Ability
covert fable
Yes
icy gulch
ahhh
junior grail
The right one needs to be buffed a bit to be as good
little path
The right one needs to be buffed a bit to be as good
People would take it if they took off the increased cooldown
sonic kayak
<@136384931583492096> we are taking a break
'Twas a pleasure
junior grail
And exe stance needs to insta reload guns like in the past
little path
exe stances needs more than just that
junior grail
Whatchu suggest?
icy gulch
aimbot mechanic f it
copper mango
Quick question: If a have targeted an enemy with focus target and someone tags the same enemy does my focus target stacks still work?
junior grail
aimbot mechanic f it
Like Soldier 76? Lol
calm shard
Quick question: If a have targeted an enemy with focus target and someone tags t...
focus target overrides other peoples pings
unless they also have focus target (and more stacks than you do)
icy gulch
emperor 76
little path
Base duration 5s >10s and can be increased to 15
Always highlights for teammates
Always highlights small shooters
Increased reload speed by 1% per headshot kill up to 25%
Swapping to melee gives toughness and attack speed but consumes duration faster
This doesn't address the issue of like
exec stance generally only helping below average guns
and usually only helping with pumping out a shit load of damage into bosses
little path
but as a base quality of life changes? i woudl at least like to see those
those two are the main exceoption
little path
you use helbore and bolter to delete bosses and crushers
little path
but IAG, autoguns etc
calm shard
exe stance gives Vraks a 1 shot headshot on gunners
little path
they do help with breakpoints but a little something extra would be nice
calm shard
very good for the ammo economy of the weapon and of course boss damage
laspistol is another good exe weapon
and also not a bad weapon
junior grail
My issue when taking Exe Stance is I don't have a toughness regen ability
calm shard
yeah
little path
Autoguns needs just need more help period
calm shard
exe fucks you out of your durability
I mean the vigilants and braced autos sure
only the semi auto vigilant is any good
braced autos are shit
infantry autoguns are okay
little path
ifantry are decent
little path
the other ones suck
little path
Vigiliant desperately needs a damage buff on non headshots
junior grail
I use SAP with Inspiring Barrage to maintain toughness lol. Not meta I know
little path
i understand they want it to be a precision weapon
calm shard
Vigiliant desperately needs a damage buff on non headshots
huh
little path
but not hitting someone in the head shouldn't deal fuck all
namely the burstfire ones
icy gulch
ooo i unlocked the boltgun
i will now uphold the will of the emperor
totally not a heretic
little path
Biggest thing I want is a counterpart talent to shocktrooper
ballistic weapons specific talent
junior grail
Headshots vs bodyshots on Headhunters feel like a whole mag of bullets difference
calm shard
or shocktrooper should just apply to all weapons
kinda no reason for it to exclude bullet weapons
little path
that would be the easy buff
but purely for the sake of my own need for something more interesting
I would prefer if there was a talent that gave ballistic weapons like
bleed on crit or something
icy gulch
so the voice of command revive aintreally good?
calm shard
no it's pretty bad
little path
so the voice of command revive aintreally good?
no
little path
which one was the semi auto one again?
calm shard
graia
little path
try any of the burstfire ones for body shots
calm shard
still pretty okay
calm shard
why would you want to shoot a mutant
they have 4000 health and take triple melee damage
every gun looks like shit when shooting them
calm shard
icy gulch
i am now going to do the big damage
azure narwhal
Yeees
calm shard
the problem vigilants have is they have absolutely garbage maniac damage
none of them can reliably kill specialist enemies
infantry lasguns have kind of the opposite problem where they only have really good maniac damage
and struggle to reach breakpoints into other health types
but I think Vigilants have the highest Flak ADM of any weapon in the game?
At 1.40 or something absurd like that
like it's one of very few ranged weapons that can one shot bodyshot both stalker types
icy gulch
if i could just get a sight for the boltgun i would be in mega love
little path
like it's one of very few ranged weapons that can one shot bodyshot both stalker...
when does the dropoff kick in?
little path
if i could just get a sight for the boltgun i would be in mega love
use custom weapons mod
calm shard
when does the dropoff kick in?
15 meters
junior grail
I just call the by default colours, brown single, green double, blue triple
calm shard
little path
how far before they stop 1 shotting in the chest?
calm shard
about here
little path
makes sense
junior grail
What if you slap Specialist Damage perk on Vigils
junior grail
if i could just get a sight for the boltgun i would be in mega love
You can try the Weapons Customisation mod in Nexus if you don't mind using mods
little path
I generally shoot shooters further away than that
little path
no
junior grail
it isnt against tos?
Nope, it's only client side
icy gulch
imma try and find a lore friendly one
sonic kayak
it isnt against tos?
Mods on Nexus are greenlit by Fatshark
calm shard
icy gulch
slaps an acog on it
little path
If you just want scopes then download only the customization one
sonic kayak
They pay attention to the mods, don't worry
junior grail
*slaps an acog on it*
Do it
little path
now I feel like I'm tweaking
icy gulch
putting a scope on my hammer 1 sec
little path
I swear I've shot shooters in the chest and they just don't die
junior grail
putting a scope on my hammer 1 sec
Iirc there's a mod to put chainblade teeth on any weapon
little path
*slaps an acog on it*
sadly all the high zoom scopes from the mod are unusable
calm shard
limbs have damage reduction if you shoot them
which I have always thought is insanely fucking stupid for a horde shooter
but a bodyshot will always one shot a scab shooter
little path
wild
junior grail
I remember in L4D the zombie is considered dead if an arm is blown off unless they are a mud zombie or smth
calm shard
hitting their arm has them barely live
junior grail
hitting their arm has them barely live
No wonder Space Marines have giant shoulder pads
little path
that's the lore reason I believe
same with tau fire warriors
Idea is they use their pauldron to tank shots because they shoot with a shoulder pointed towards the enemy
junior grail
Fire Warriors actually make sense, they always shoot so one shoulder pad acts like a shield
buoyant pewter
Fire Warriors actually make sense, they always shoot so one shoulder pad acts li...
calm shard
and of course if you have exe the bodyshot damage is silly
junior grail
I would say the Zakus from Gundam too but it feels like it's on the wrong side
junior grail
they're supposed to be constantly in this pose when shooting
Dead pose? Checks out for Tau
Jk jk I like Tau, especially Enclaves
calm shard
though y'know the fucking maniac damage is so bad
exe FT can't one shot headshot a flamer without a crit xd
junior grail
What if they add some armour on to Vigil like with Double Barrel Shotty?
Make it good against elites and Armoured but bad against maniacs and Infected
calm shard
that's how it works right now
it has good damage into flak/unarmored and abysmal maniac damage
shit it's even alright into carapace if you get crits just like the IAGs are
it's just for a precision like this having bad maniacs damage is a dealbreaker
since the whole fucking point of the weapon archetype is sniping specials and elites
and also you can use the Agri infantry autogun that just kinda does what the vigilants do but better
hollow ibex
Yeah vigils really get cucked
calm shard
minus the crazy bodyshot damage into flak
hilarious
still does okay even on a "normal" build
(trench fighter drill dropped for deadshot to simulate stacked reciprocity)
junior grail
Trench fighter makes melee on Vet not feel bad
icy gulch
i just downloaded 20 mods time to blow up my game
reminds me of me ol skyrim moddin days ;-;
tropic notch
though y'know the fucking maniac damage is so bad
Don’t let gale hear you slander the headhunter autos
hollow ibex
@faint beacon
calm shard
Don’t let gale hear you slander the headhunter autos
half of the fucking conversation was me glazing it
I can call the obviously worthless maniac damage worthless and it'll balance out
calm shard
Headhunters are just a better infantry las
eh not really
infantry las actually have good maniac damage
tropic notch
Don’t they work better if your target is far away?
I thought the damage was less up close
Well I remember someone saying something about it
calm shard
yes all las weapons have reverse damage falloff
doing more damage at long range
except the laspistol
tropic notch
I also remember seeing a hav40 run with exe stance and mmf
calm shard
which just has normal damage falloff
calm shard
this is iib the light one
VII consistently one shots
takes several shots on a normal build but the gun has so much goddamn ammo that's not that big of a deal
infantry las is like mid tier
misses a few one shot breakpoints but has high fire rate and ammo so it's still okay
covert fable
anyone have experience using the zarona revolver in havoc? how does it compare to the plasma ?
tall torrent
anyone have experience using the zarona revolver in havoc? how does it compare t...
mainly issue with ammo
also it has better 1 taps than plasma but still require crit-headshots
covert fable
mainly issue with ammo
Even with survivalist?
covert fable
This is tragic
I was thinking to try it with power sword
To help conserve the ammo a bit but
🫥
hybrid plover
I mean, if you lean on your melee enough, it works.
tropic notch
I was thinking to try it with power sword
You can bring revlover
Just be sure your accurate
tall torrent
Even with survivalist?
what havoc have u played
tropic notch
Dbarrel would be better probably
hybrid plover
swimmingly
hybrid plover
that's normal
tall torrent
Why did we have like 3 chaos spawns in 1 place
that's normal
hybrid plover
lmao
covert fable
Nah man
hybrid plover
it's the location of where they spawned that was the issue
covert fable
They are just fucking bouncing u around in-between each other😭😭
tall torrent
honestly if u wanna practice havoc without playing it, prob play auric mortis
12 bosses at the same time
solo 4 plague ogryns + 4 chaos spawns + 4 beasts of nurgle at once while ur team withers
covert fable
solo 4 plague ogryns + 4 chaos spawns + 4 beasts of nurgle at once while ur team...
What 😭
That sounds impossible
orchid hemlock
What 😭
With Mortis buffs it is actually much easier than you would think
The problem is learning how to kite the horde in bad situations like that
tall torrent
That sounds impossible
practice
orchid hemlock
The attack patterns on the chaos are just
The only attack you need to worry about on spawns is the left hand grab
Other than that, you can block every single one of the spawns attacks
Without breaking block
tall torrent
The attack patterns on the chaos are just
not that complicated
tall torrent
So attack him after he misses that grab?
this is a slow kill meant to demonstrate chaos spawn's attack patterns
tropic notch
The problem is learning how to kite the horde in bad situations like that
Auric mortis doesn’t play
It’s fun tho
tall torrent
hybrid plover
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1257463901063348307...
if anything, the one thing that is a little complicated is the grab
it's not a good idea to dodge back because the range is deceptively long and even if it looks like you're out of range of the arm from your perspective, you can still get grabbed
that video shows it well. dodge preemptively to the right when you see the wind up so you're never in the hitbox to begin with when they do go for the grab
calm shard
that video shows it well. dodge preemptively to the right when you see the wind ...
disclaimer this sometimes doesn't work anyways because the chaos spawn grab hitbox is a nearly full circle around it
and can easily outlast your dodge even if you dodge the correct direction if your dodge gets caught on something
hybrid token
Why did we have like 3 chaos spawns in 1 place
there are greater issues
rain granite
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1257463901063348307...
Holy, thx for showing that. In VT2 side dodging a Chaos spawn Is not a good idea. I was kiting the spawn like VT2 and was Always getting grabbed. Now i know why
hybrid plover
disclaimer this sometimes doesn't work anyways because the chaos spawn grab hitb...
i feel like this just has to do with latency with the server honestly
it's at least more consistent
barren cave
Does anyone have a good ws build for doing the penance
plain osprey
Does anyone have a good ws build for doing the penance
I think most just use a standard dueling sword and p gun build and play that ultra efficently
At least thats what i found on yt
barren cave
can someone tell me which is best stat spread for the plasma gun out of these three
you only use m1 with plasma gun right
getting that optimal roll is pretty hard
what blessings and perks on plasma gun
empty aurora
If Power Cycler was just the default way the Power Sword worked how meta do yall think it would be
austere mica
More than it already is
empty aurora
You're a genius
austere mica
You’d probably just run Slaught and it’d be more fucked
late jungle
If Power Cycler was just the default way the Power Sword worked how meta do yall...
wasnt it already like this
a long while ago
late jungle
did it not have base power cycler ?
austere mica
7 fucking swings
austere mica
The Great Vet Review Bomb
empty aurora
Wait what the fuck
austere mica
When they got their weapon nerfed from gamebreaking to meta
And had to learn how to play the game
empty aurora
Power cycler used to have seven swings what the hell
austere mica
It was either 7 or 5
late jungle
i dunno i thought ps had like
3 base swings or something
and then power cycler upped that even more
empty aurora
Power sword currently only has one powered swing at base
barren cave
Plasma gun is not good for doing the ws penance, you need ranged weakspot hits for it with ws active
empty aurora
Which feels like a whole lot of useless
marble ocean
It is
austere mica
Plasma gun is not good for doing the ws penance, you need ranged weakspot hits f...
Revolver works fine
Bistol also does
barren cave
Plasma gun is not good for doing the ws penance, you need ranged weakspot hits f...
also the weirdest condition for a weapon specialist penance tbh
austere mica
I think dbarrel also works but it’s less consistent at killing
empty aurora
Only getting one powered swing just feels awful to use, power cycler feels absolutely mandatory
barren cave
Hitting headshots with plasma is hard, skill issue
austere mica
It’s a point and shoot weapon
It requires less skill than most other point and shoot weapons because it has a 45 round mag
And like 50 cleave
late jungle
aim at thing shoot thing thing evaporates
barren cave
How hard is it do with taxe and vraks iag
austere mica
I would not recommend an IAG with weapon spec
barren cave
this is the one
austere mica
Yeah just do that with a revolver or bolt pistol or something
barren cave
its kinda weird? what does ws have to do with critical weakspot hits
empty aurora
Sounds like a great reason to use my beloved revolver
late jungle
kill things with sword swap to revolver shoot specialists kill things with sword
austere mica
its kinda weird? what does ws have to do with critical weakspot hits
Confirmed crits and synergy with small mag weapons which are typically snipers
barren cave
also is that penance for only for ranged
late jungle
repeat
austere mica
Wdym almost you confirm a crit after 3 stacks out of 10
calm shard
also is that penance for only for ranged
no just has to be a critical weakspot kill
calm shard
doesn't matter if it's your melee or gun
calm shard
combat axe
barren cave
ive been using it nonstop
calm shard
you're gonna be using WS anyways
barren cave
okay rashad
empty aurora
I like playing vet as mostly a melee build than whipping out a revolver to dome whatever special is bothering me,
late jungle
i use tac axe on my ws 
barren cave
taxe 7?
empty aurora
Use shovel its funny
late jungle
I like playing vet as mostly a melee build than whipping out a revolver to dome ...
si
barren cave
I like playing vet as mostly a melee build than whipping out a revolver to dome ...
thats how I play zealot though
late jungle
ws is my favourite vet keystone but its not like theres many options anyways .
barren cave
oh wait
I can just use ds4
but thats not good for the hordes
taxe or rashad it is
calm shard
ws is my favourite vet keystone but its not like theres many options anyways .
I like MMF :)
empty aurora
thats how I play zealot though
Well there's also the grenades and shout and priority mark, for that feeling of commanding from the frontlines
barren cave
also are yall building ws with survivalist aura and shout
barren cave
im gonna do smokes shout and ws
austere mica
Rue shush it works and is very economical
barren cave
im not taking infil till they add like 2 of those subnodes into the base ability
austere mica
Smokes are also good
austere mica
im not taking infil till they add like 2 of those subnodes into the base ability...
You only need 1
austere mica
It’s your crying react
empty aurora
It would be so cool if they gave vet more than one ability
I say as an Executioners Stance with Vigilant autogun enjoyer
barren cave
ive got my taxe mark 7 and zarona ready
austere mica
I’d honestly recommend agrivolver for weapon spec
barren cave
oh agri?
austere mica
Snipes pretty close to the same with confirm crits and can do crushers if you need to
Also funny ass unyielding damage
barren cave
ive used agri like, for 2 games in total
late jungle
i hateee the fanned revolver
empty aurora
Shooting gallery, click click click click click
barren cave
taxe runs brutal momentum headtaker and flak maniac right?
austere mica
Flak Unarmored but yeah
calm shard
flak carapace on mine
austere mica
Just check the guide in pins
barren cave
k
austere mica
Vet has tighter breakpoints for most everything
empty aurora
It’s so fun
Its very nice for when you're doing mostly melee stuff and than see a special/elite you just want to stop being a problem right the hell now
austere mica
Quick draw to hip and delete some random trapper
Or rattle 3 shots into a crusher and fold it
barren cave
With zarona I'm going maniac elite hand cannon pb
Also for the penance
It doesn't need ws to be at max stacks right
austere mica
Just needs stacks active
austere mica
Nothing is stopping you
midnight wyvern
tall torrent
If Power Cycler was just the default way the Power Sword worked how meta do yall...
Best melee weapon in the game => best melee weapon in the game (but much better than it already was)
tame lodge
What kind of psyker builds toughness
Halo Device shenanigans
The only thing left to make my RT more op is to give them a rock saw
crimson pebble
the rock saw fooled me my first playthrough cause everyone said they were crazy then i looked at dmg and was confused untill i learned it does that dmg like 4times in the same attk
i think i might be thinking of a drill but same concept
sly orchid
how
spice shard
44 Psy Rating
how did you get 44?
tame lodge
how did you get 44?
Heretical conviction 2 + Unsanctioned Psyker glove + Bounty Hunter Idira + Psyker Breastplate + a good fight
And a few extra accessories that reduces the AP cost of non attack abilities on idira
So she could spam things like foreshadow
Mind bond
Foreboding
Etc
What 400 hours of rogue trader does to a muhfuh
spice shard
Ah that explains it
Was confused why you brought up idira before remembering bounty hunter actually has uses
tame lodge
Savour the kill spam
grand perch
And then someone said rogue trader time and rogue tradered all over vet chat
barren cave
Ascension riser is such a slog
grand perch
Ascension riser in havoc was peak wtf
First bridge immediately after spawn - twin bosses with BoN and ChSpawn support plus armour wave, with no room to maneuver at all
That seems fair
steep flower
First bridge immediately after spawn - twin bosses with BoN and ChSpawn support ...
Its a test of individual & team performance; if you fail then you would fail later too
Thats LOGIC 
grand perch
Just have 4 rumblegryns, easy
tame lodge
First bridge immediately after spawn - twin bosses with BoN and ChSpawn support ...
Ledging time
south spindle
Its a test of individual & team performance; if you fail then you would fail lat...
The first test anyway
The event room with the trains is the real teambreaker
Also the event room just after the ledge section on Gloriana
Hate that room
grand perch
I don't hate the room, i hate people who start the event immediately coming in
... And those that don't get how the event works
south spindle
It's for sure like herding cats most of the time
grand perch
You can blow thru it so quickly when you're fast enough to reach the machines.
barren cave
Can combat shotgun oneshot ragers with headshots
grand perch
Sure
south spindle
Ye
barren cave
Agri too or just zarona
covert fable
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1257463901063348307...
This is bullyimg
covert fable
apply directly to the forehead
Multiple times
tall torrent
what blessings and perks on plasma gun
Unarmored
Maniac / flak
Gets hot
Rising heat
tall torrent
Can combat shotgun oneshot ragers with headshots
Inconsistently yes
livid citrus
What’s the best cleave melee on vet
I’m just getting surrounded with dueling sword and hating my fkn life
My finger my poor finger
livid citrus
There’s no way
late jungle
if u want good cleave while keeping dueling swords damage output use the power sword
livid citrus
power sword actually good
tame lodge
What’s the best cleave melee on vet
Psword
Specifically mk3 Sunder
The alternative is getting a Helbore with Hotshot 1
livid citrus
Using plasma rn
Out of all the classes ngl vet feels mid the most. I’m almost certainly using him mildly but noneless
normal bay
power sword actually good <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
Yes but you need to activate it to kill anything scarier than a groaner