veteran-class

[sudden cedar]

You hit something, it gets staggered.

[covert fable]

the first part is fine but the second sentence

[mighty willow]

When you shoot, they go "Ah!" and get staggered when you shoot at them

[sudden cedar]

It buffs Stagger applied through ranged attacks.

[mighty willow]

Like when you blast them and the enemy falls down

[covert fable]

oh wow

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

[covert fable]

so this blessing buffs my melee and ranged

thats pretty nice

[sudden cedar]

No.

Well.

If it is on a Melee Weapon it works for melee.

[mighty willow]

When you hit them in the head, yes

[sudden cedar]

If it is on a Ranged Weapon, it works for Ranged.

[covert fable]

oh

thats confusing 😭

[sudden cedar]

The important bit here is, "stagger on enemies by 90% on Weakspot hit"

[covert fable]

yes

[sudden cedar]

and on top of that, general +30% ranged stagger

[covert fable]

ill try skullcrusher and falter

[sudden cedar]

For what?

[covert fable]

shockmaul sorry

[sudden cedar]

Arbites Shock Maul?

[covert fable]

veteran....

[sudden cedar]

Gotta be precise here

[mighty willow]

Idk i just go "Big damage oooh"

[covert fable]

true

[sudden cedar]

Hammerblow Skullcrusher.

[covert fable]

i was running that before but falter looked cool

[mighty willow]

Imagine if vet had acess to arbites shotgun

[sudden cedar]

Falter only works on Weakspot hits.

Hammerblow is general hit.

And you get more of it, too.

[wet elk]

whats better? combat axe or tac axe?

[sudden cedar]

Depends on the mark i guess.

[crimson wyvern]

Ive never seen too many fans of combat axe in general

if they're there, then they're a small tribe

[sudden cedar]

Rashad Combat Axe

[mighty willow]

My personal experience, tactical axe MK 2

[wet elk]

hmm

what about the tac? whats the god MK?

[tame lodge]

Combat Axe

Miles better than tactical shit

[tame lodge]

None

(2 or 7)

With 7 being the popular one

[hollow ibex]

you realize it's one of the strongest weapons in the game...

[covert fable]

yeah its def better i just tried both

[hollow ibex]

7 is just better than 2 tbh

i tested 2 and did not like it one bit

[sudden cedar]

@covert fable You can try Falter on Vigilant Autoguns.

[crimson wyvern]

Oh yeah? What do you run on it

[covert fable]

those are the burst fire right?

[tame lodge]

Except mk7

That one is semi auto

[hollow ibex]

the default

[wet elk]

combat is for single targets and tac for horde?

[tame lodge]

Nope

Combat Axe is for everything

Tactical Axe is also for everything but it's shit

[hollow ibex]

perfectionist just hates taxe

taxe is very good

[sudden cedar]

@covert fable There are two burst fire autoguns and one semi-auto

[tame lodge]

I don't hate taxes

[covert fable]

What does this rank mean?

[hollow ibex]

that's the general consensus

[wet elk]

i played with tax and didnt find too bad

[tame lodge]

All capped weapons are shit

Taxe is capped

[hollow ibex]

taxe having a cap is fine

[tame lodge]

Therefore

[covert fable]

i think i have a vigi autogun lemme look

[tame lodge]

Taxe is shit

[hollow ibex]

because it's already really good even with the cap

capped weapons tend to be shit

[covert fable]

hey

[tame lodge]

You are not defending a cap

[hollow ibex]

taxe is the exception

[tame lodge]

💀

[sudden cedar]

@covert fable It means, you have a Mission of Rank Havoc 16.

[tame lodge]

I will not hear it

[hollow ibex]

i am not defending the cap, i am defending taxe

[covert fable]

i have never touched havok 😭

[tame lodge]

It's capped still

[wet elk]

capped weapon?

whats that

[sudden cedar]

@covert fable Its okay

[tame lodge]

Tactical Axe heavies are capped at 3

Which means that you cannot damage a 4th target

Regardless of how many cleave you have

I can take this shit weapon to 10.5 cleave

That's 8 groaners hit

[wet elk]

is this even better than the power sword

[tame lodge]

No

Because from those 8

Only 3 take damage

💀

[covert fable]

the game just gives you a random havoc rank?

[sudden cedar]

@covert fable No. It gave you 16 because you probably completed a certain mission.

[covert fable]

oh

[tame lodge]

Nah, it's not random
You beat an Auric Maelstrom
It sends you to h16

[covert fable]

oh

[sudden cedar]

Yes, it was probably that.

Before the Battle for Tertium Update, it was Auric Damnation Maelstrom you had to complete to get Rank 16 and get started.

[covert fable]

ah

[tame lodge]

Where was I
Oh yeah
Tactical shit

[covert fable]

this will be lovely

[wet elk]

thats the least of your worries

[tame lodge]

With Hotshot you can hit 12 groaners

Won't damage past 3

💀

[sudden cedar]

@covert fable Well good luck, it only gets worse from there.

[tame lodge]

If you know what you're doing

22 groaners hit

No damage past the third

[covert fable]

the arby just got launched off the platform by a plague thingy

[shy atlas]

Arby’s we have the meat

[shy atlas]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1221593864385724478/1402811391433248809/Truth_Burger_A.gif

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/initial-d-fifth-stage-rin-rinhojo-peak-gif-7427453495005118237

[shy atlas]

It’s so valley

[covert fable]

i just got launched off the platform by a barrel now

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-cube-sad-cube-gif-12196949

[sudden cedar]

It happens.

Always be vigilant.

[shy atlas]

carry when 🥹

[sudden cedar]

I don't carry.

You won't learn when someone carries you.

[covert fable]

we fought like 4 ogryns now

[sudden cedar]

You mean Plague Ogryns?

[shy atlas]

i will find a carry and max out my gear and quit the game >:)

[sudden cedar]

You do that, if that makes you happy.

[warm schooner]

this is what annoys me when I see so many people brag about getting people 40 clears

[shy atlas]

it does

[covert fable]

yes

[shy atlas]

[covert fable]

and like the twins

and a captain

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

[covert fable]

now another captain

WHAT

[sudden cedar]

That happens.

Get used to it.

It's only going to get worse.

[warm schooner]

boss spam is what keeps h40 interesting

[covert fable]

another chaos

holy

[sudden cedar]

Would it be appropiate to say, Havoc is like Dark Souls?

You either beat it or it beats you.

[hybrid plover]

Most fun h40 I had was in power matrix where a captain, twins, and shortly after, a chaos spawn and pogryn spawned.

[sudden cedar]

That sounds like fun indeed.

[hybrid plover]

Now that was a fight.

[warm schooner]

peak h40

[covert fable]

4 bosses at once

epic

well that was suprisingly easy

[sudden cedar]

👏

[trim badger]

Welcome to the only gamemode where gunners actually are a threat

[sudden cedar]

Judging by the behaviour in Aurics, they are a threat in that difficult too.

[covert fable]

u dont have the grace period in havok tho right

like the dmg reduction when ur toughness breaks

[trim badger]

by default every map will contain

2-3 captains
twins
2-3 monstrosities
Whatever amuont of weakened monstrosities the director wants to throw at you

[hybrid plover]

Gunners are a threat in auric to tbh. Their behavior in general is just weird sometimes.

But much worse in Havoc yes.

[trim badger]

that starts being a thing when you have the "Fading Light" mutator

[sudden cedar]

And what i mean by that is, people simply not paying attention to them and wonder why they go down

[covert fable]

ohh

[sudden cedar]

Or they get cocky and die.

standing in the open without any cover

[trim badger]

basically this

another failed attempt of no hit twins :(((

[covert fable]

bro is playing dark souls 😭

[sudden cedar]

No.

He is using a duelling sword.

Nicely done tho.

[trim badger]

DS is OP and all but I think most havoc players don't have a 40% weakspot rate with it

xddd

[sudden cedar]

Skill issue, i would say.

[trim badger]

I mean yeah

of course it is skill issue

[sudden cedar]

Don't get me wrong now. I don't like that UI setup.

I am sure it works for you tho.

[trim badger]

I get that a lot

[sudden cedar]

I am just trying to understand, in a way.

I couldn't play like that.

[trim badger]

well it's just centered info

important perks on the right, cooldown perks on the left

everything else below stamina

[sudden cedar]

Yeah, for me this wouldn't work.

Too much going on in the middle

[short vapor]

I use something similar

kinda fire to have everything immediately available.

[trim badger]

yea

[trim badger]

Just the essentials™

[plain osprey]

Now let freebird play in the background

[sudden cedar]

But hey, if it works it works. Who am i to judge.

[trim badger]

lol

[tropic notch]

0/10 no tac axe mk4 with headtaker and decimator

[trim badger]

10/10 it was relentless >:3

[tropic notch]

Ds and plasma

I sleep

SNOOZE

[trim badger]

be grateful I wasn't running precog

otherwise it would've been a lot easier

[short vapor]

If you can do twins no hit w/ chainsword I'll pay attention

[covert fable]

is lower level havok easier?

feels easier than auric rn

[normal bay]

1-10 is malice tier

[covert fable]

oh wow

[hybrid plover]

Might as well run an auric Maelstrom and kick start your way to 16.

[normal bay]

Well, Malice Mael tier, which no longer exists

[covert fable]

i just hit 18

[hybrid plover]

Neat.

[covert fable]

yup

it still easier than auric it feel like

[normal bay]

Should still be heresy health levels iirc

Once you get into the 20s its auric

[covert fable]

Suffering begins at 20

[hybrid plover]

21 is where it hits damnation levels specifically.

There is a big difficulty surge from 20 to 21 so be wary of that.

[shy atlas]

the gremlin is a shovel

[covert fable]

I think the gremlin has a shovel

[hybrid plover]

bonk

[shy atlas]

no, the shovel has a gremlin

and that gremlin is also a shovel

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/boomb-cat-boomb-cat-boom-cat-explosion-explosion-gif-gif-17107588862516012936

[shy atlas]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1221593864385724478/1402811391433248809/Truth_Burger_A.gif

[covert fable]

petition to remove your gif privileges

My birb is eating my shirt 😭

[shy atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-eating-bird-kid-eat-bird-criança-comendo-pássaro-criança-gif-12002957

eat birb

[hybrid plover]

Okay real talk is anyone keeping count of how many times this gif has been posted

Also, funny synergy I found.

Turns out, having serrated blade on shovel is not a bad call for making it decent for boss damage.

[covert fable]

Showww

[hybrid plover]

I wish I could. I tried it yesterday and I was pleasantly surprised by the results.

But I'll try to get a snippet of it later.

[covert fable]

What blessings do you run with serrated blade

[hybrid plover]

Uncanny skullcrusher

Because skullcrusher increases all damage, including dot damage.

[covert fable]

Ooh

[hybrid plover]

Combined with uncanny, it actually does make some decent purchase. Not the best obviously but it's a genuine consideration.

[shy atlas]

"my blade is my justice. my honor is my life..."
The DMV worker:

[hybrid plover]

I've just gotten to the point of trying goofy ah builds to see what sticks and what doesn't

[covert fable]

same I'm trying to give everyone weapon a fair go

And some surprised me

Which is the fun part

[hybrid plover]

I just wish there weren't so many damn taxes on the vet tree so you have to sacrifice so much to have it.

Like, I'd want to use weapon specialist with it but considering how important the push attack is on mk1, I kinda have to relent on getting a Stam delay node for it.

[formal ice]

Veterans the 5th ranked class

Is smoking viable?

[hybrid plover]

You mean smoke nades

?

[formal ice]

Yeah exactly smoking

[late jungle]

Yes !!!!!

start smoking

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

In situations where gunners are a proper threat, ya.

[formal ice]

But why should I start smoking

[livid hill]

does onslaught also apply to melee weapons? trying to use it rn but cant see a difference

[late jungle]

psyker shield if it was.. better ..? worse...?

i dee kay

[covert fable]

I think it applies to all attacks ?

Onslaught is nice with the recon lasgun

[hybrid plover]

Because you will never be able to melee fast enough for onslaught to matter.

[covert fable]

Wait

If I were to shoot a crusher and build up the stacks

And then swap to melee

Do I keep the stacks or do they poof

[livid hill]

i see

[hybrid plover]

They keep the stacks.

[covert fable]

Oh good

[hybrid plover]

So you can in theory take advantage of that.

[covert fable]

I wanna test that now

[shy atlas]

crunchie stacks, deep flavor

[hybrid plover]

That being said, it's mostly worthless if you have a weapon with uncanny.

[covert fable]

I was thinking of a full support veteran build

[hybrid plover]

Here's how you run support.

Shout.

There you go.

You are now support veteran.

[covert fable]

Fart *

[livid hill]

is gloryhunter good on bolt pistol?

[heavy rover]

like going for smokes? Or more focus target?

[hybrid plover]

I mean, if you can get the kill, sure. Could see a use for it on weapon specialist builds but realistically, you're better off just running something that just makes the bistol more efficient in combat.

[covert fable]

Like shout, skills to help team with toughness and onslaught with recon lasgun

[livid hill]

what abt run and gun + bleed

[hybrid plover]

Run and gun is actually good.

[livid hill]

i dont have the aim nor the patience for surgical + deadly accurate

[heavy rover]

yeah that sounds more like including Focus Target + Target down. You can skip onslaught if you're stacking brittleness with your ranged weapon (e.g. like the helbore's armourbane)

[hybrid plover]

If youre going for a quick draw build, it does wonders actually.

But I would 100% recommend using weapon spec for it because you need to guarantee crits to take advantage of it fully.

[plain osprey]

This doesnt belong here. The zealot chat is this way -> #zealot-class

[covert fable]

General chat also works

[hybrid plover]

But there is no denying how good it feels to be clearing out a horde, seeing a sniper glint and drawing to hip fire them from 100+m away

[livid hill]

i mean sure but I just really like ft bc it makes me feel like im a commander or something

[late jungle]

i heart ws

[sonic kayak]

Smoking stops dogs, shooters, and makes trappers have to run directly to you in order to net you

With tinkerer, that's 30 seconds of ranged protection

[hybrid plover]

Okay to be fair. The trapper thing, is a very mixed bag.

That's something you really have to be wary of since, it's way harder to dodge a trapper point blank than from afar.

[heavy rover]

also smokes let the ranged twin become useless

literally just stands there

[sonic kayak]

Unless you ping

[heavy rover]

menacingly

[hybrid plover]

Until the trapper is silent.

🙃

[sonic kayak]

That's why you keep your head on a swivel, which is easier to do with smokes

But also tbf, if you get trapped then technically it should be easier to get rescued

[hybrid plover]

Bold to rely on the prospect of being rescued but then again

[sonic kayak]

That's assuming your average pubber is even thinking that far or they understand smokes, which most don't

[hybrid plover]

The only place where smokes are really worth it, is in Havoc

[sonic kayak]

Yeah I'm not denying that

[hybrid plover]

So I would like to hope that you're getting players that understand that it take less than a second to untrap somebody

[sonic kayak]

Right

But also assuming that your average pubber is that aware, which can be a stretch even into H40

[covert fable]

I was planning to use onslaught with recon lasgun

[hybrid plover]

I mean I think that's a decent expectation in 30-40

20-30 though?

I've ran into some actual gluesniffers there.

[covert fable]

I hate it when I just get left in traps in auric

Like pls

[hybrid plover]

I recall the time that I was doing a Havoc 25 with randoms, and one of them was a knife veteran who proceeded to rush forward

They get downed.

[covert fable]

Main character syndrome

[hybrid plover]

Tell them with not an ounce of toxicity that doing that will get them killed and they say "I'm gonna do you a favor and ignore that."

Does it again. Dies. Triggers a boss spawn that snowballs everything out of control and gets everyone killed.

[sonic kayak]

Just the other day I played a maelstrom.. 1-3 I think it was, with monstrous specialists.

We had a psyker who literally went out of his way to not stay with the team, complained when everyone else was getting kills, kept sidestepping muties and then complaining that no one was killing them, and finally died in a flame puddle

[hybrid plover]

The ogryn broke character and proceeded to call him "a fucking moron."

[covert fable]

This is peak

[sonic kayak]

We even backed up to let them respawn by the totem near us

But they left

I mean mans literally went out of his way to not stay near the team, then complained about not getting help

He even called the other psyker a parasite for "stealing" kills

Using a flame staff

[covert fable]

What 😭

[sonic kayak]

The other psyker? Laspistol lmao

[covert fable]

The point is to kill and finish the mission

[hybrid plover]

Immense skill issue.

[sonic kayak]

If he wants kills he should play some damned Killing Floor or CoD zombies

I want to win

[sonic kayak]

Literally

How does a flame staff user complain that a laspistol user is stealing their kills, this shit writes itself

[covert fable]

I don't know this flame staff but it sounds better than the pistol for sure

[sonic kayak]

I think it's called the "Purgatus Staff"

We just call it inferno or flame staff, because, well, it is

[hybrid plover]

It's the most broken weapon in Psykers arsenal.

[covert fable]

ah

[hybrid plover]

And one of the most broken weapons in the entire game

[spice shard]

very nice when comboed with 10% chance to BB on hit

[covert fable]

What is BB?

oh

[spice shard]

brain burst

theres a perk for it that gives it 10% chance to proc on hitting elites n shit

[covert fable]

im guessing that oneshots them

[spice shard]

depends on the enemy

also applies on force greatsword special hits

i mean
it is the only reason to take brainburst over assail imo

[sudden cedar]

Ah Kinetic Flayer.

Also known as "let's play russian roulette throughout the game" because you never know when it will fuck you over by blowing up a Poxburster in your face.

[spice shard]

wait does it apply on pushes too?

[shy atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/crow-those-who-know-corvid-stillwater-phonk-gif-3624124372213078304

[sudden cedar]

@spice shard Yes, it does.

[tall torrent]

push attacks yes

[spice shard]

you could also brainburst the sniper

[tall torrent]

pushes no

[sudden cedar]

Brainburst itself is not an issue.

[shy atlas]

car with cauliflower

[sudden cedar]

Kinetic Flayer however, is.

[spice shard]

oh yeah
shit at reading sometimes sorry

but yeah for long range psyker assail is obviously better

[covert fable]

i finally got a decent vigilant autogun

[shy atlas]

king roll?

[covert fable]

?

[spice shard]

is mobility the lowest stat?

[spice shard]

oof

[covert fable]

i have to level it up tho for the blessings

[spice shard]

stab dump stat not mobility

decent but mobility would be better

[covert fable]

aw

[sudden cedar]

Mobility dumb stat

The main issue with Vigilant Autogun is recoil.

I guess Veterans can negate that no problem..

[covert fable]

the recoil is not bad

[tall torrent]

stability is not dump stat on this gun

[covert fable]

tho ill look for one with 60% mobility

[narrow widget]

do you have weapon customization mod

so you can make the scope not ass

[covert fable]

nope 😭

[narrow widget]

damn 😭

good luck vro 🙏

[sudden cedar]

I see no issue with aiming.

Really.

[calm shard]

it's very entertaining

[sudden cedar]

Although i am already proficient with it, so...biased.

[calm shard]

lil' babies getting their first taste of the difficulties where havoc is harder than aurics

and not doing great

[sudden cedar]

They will learn and suceed. Or not.

The Agripinaa is alright. The Columnus can really only be used in close range.

The Graia is very good.

At all ranges.

[hybrid plover]

It wasn't even my assignment. And the dude was clearance 19.

I know that people see issue with gatekeeping but I've seen enough incidents like this to understand why people do it.

[calm shard]

I think failure makes havoc more fun to play

[hybrid plover]

I agree. To an extent.

[tall torrent]

halfway done with curio sections

[hybrid plover]

But what happened there was legit just one player sabotaging the whole run because they thought they were the main character.

[narrow widget]

yeah but I'm literally him tho

[sudden cedar]

@calm shard Unfortunately, i feel like many do not see it this way.

@hybrid plover How did he sabotage it?

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/marmota-cooking-hold-up-gif-5382607284931131048

[hybrid plover]

He ran ahead and triggered a spawn, died and we all got sandwiched because of it. I got trapped because I couldn't move through the horde and take on a captain and plague ogryn at the same time and got poxbursted into oblivion and the other two got taken down by a wall of crushers coming from behind.

[sudden cedar]

Nice.

What Havoc level was it again?

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-let-him-cook-cook-cooking-breaking-bad-gif-27522167

[hybrid plover]

25. It wasn't even that high of a clearance. Him doing that just snowballed the game that badly.

[sudden cedar]

Did he leave the game?

[tame lodge]

Tried to play with Shovel today

Insta reminded that I can't have everything

[hybrid plover]

Nope. Host kicked him.

[sudden cedar]

[narrow frost]

How does the host kick?

[hybrid plover]

Well not kicked but he said to get out of the lobby and he did.

[narrow frost]

Ah.

Yes

https://tenor.com/view/kat-cat-allahu-cat-allahu-akbar-flying-gif-21822754

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cola-cat-cola-explosion-luma-ai-gif-12441479630905084027

[hybrid plover]

It's crazy cuz I said what I said with no toxicity whatsoever. I wasn't trying to be mean or anything.

He really just thought he was him and proceeded to find out that he wasn't and got us all screwed over in that revelation

It's like, if you go ahead, and instantly get downed, why would you not just take the hint and consider that maybe the person with a clearance level of 40 is telling you something for a legitimate reason?

[covert fable]

HAVOc is making me crashout

i revive this dude and hes afk

[narrow widget]

you gotta understand tho he's literally him

[sudden cedar]

@hybrid plover Because.. you know.. how dare you question him?

[narrow widget]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-ryan-gosling-drive-flip-gif-5480671772097000575

[hybrid plover]

Himothy from the Himalayans.

[sudden cedar]

Admitting one is in the wrong is difficult.

[covert fable]

its best to prioritize demonhost ritual right

[sonic kayak]

Ehhh depends, you get a grace of like... 5 minutes? If a ritual HP bar shows up but does not progress

[narrow widget]

if it's too dangerous to push towards you could back off and try to get it on slow mode but that's a little finicky

[sonic kayak]

If the HP bar shows up and starts filling up, then you should target it Pronto

[hybrid plover]

You have a grace period as long as you don't activately aggro the ritual.

[slim shard]

Am I dumb for feeling like executioner stance + braced auto + focused isn't bad

[hybrid plover]

...most of the time.

[sonic kayak]

If you can't, then the DH targets the farthest person in the team first

[hybrid plover]

So uh. I will say this.

[sonic kayak]

Me running A Pimp Named Slickback:

[hybrid plover]

If you have rituals and it's Power Matrix, that's a very unfortunate assignment you've been given.

[sonic kayak]

FUCK Metalfab maps

[hybrid plover]

Yeah it's completely rng as to whether or not that run is cooked.

Because for some reason, rituals there can spawn and go to full before you even know that they existed.

And spawn in weird spots.

[tame lodge]

Well uh
Exec is good
Brauto not so much

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

[narrow widget]

brauto great on zealot with dance of death or whichever one reduced spread

[sonic kayak]

The Zealot running the BrAuto and RPing a Vet:

[hollow ibex]

ES + BAG's decent yeah

tho i run without FT

[hybrid plover]

Honestly they just need to take Power Matrix out the rotation if rituals are there if they won't fix them.

It's just annoying.

[covert fable]

im about to get demoted 😎

[narrow widget]

lock in

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/death-gif-20834117

[sonic kayak]

If you're on in about 3 hours I can help

[covert fable]

i dont want to get completely carried

[sonic kayak]

You'll be carrying me

[covert fable]

oke

[tame lodge]

Let me in coach
I promise I won't commit elo terrorism

https://tenor.com/view/dog-guilty-smile-funny-smiling-gif-9032029

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-freaky-smile-sukuna-sukuna-smile-freaky-sukuna-gif-4852549280133734300

[covert fable]

LOL elo terrorisim 😭

[tame lodge]

I am taking some concern worthy builds to havoc

[narrow widget]

take my squiggly

[sonic kayak]

Tbh when I'm accepting people, I just choose one of each class more than build

[tame lodge]

Squiggly mentioned

https://tenor.com/view/squigly-jumprope-skullgirl-skullgirls-gif-20380024

[narrow widget]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-girls-peacock-marie-skullgirls-peacock-skullgirls-marie-gif-2817063927082601663

[tall torrent]

curio sections done

[azure narwhal]

What's up with the "Fire down range" penance? i'm 1000% sure i'm killing enemies as far as 50 meters, yet, i only get one or two kill progress now and again

[narrow widget]

50 meters is really really far

[azure narwhal]

no joke there

i am with a friend

on mortis trials

got him to run to the end of the map literally

i went to the other end

sprayed got kills here and there

nothing

or 1 or 2 kills

it's not even tracking issues

[calm shard]

quite a long distance

coincidentally also the distance you have to be for longshot to give you its advertised 20% damage boost

[tame lodge]

💀

[quick seal]

I want to do "adept assassin"

in support of this goal, I want to use the stub revolver. I think it's the best suited for "critical weakspot hits". Is this a good method, or is there another weapon that's better suited?

[tall torrent]

zarona revolver

it's ez

[tame lodge]

That's the best yeah

[quick seal]

ok thx. Glad I was on the right track, then

[tall torrent]

play hiSTG auric

u can do it rly fast

also it doesn't have to be ranged crit weakspot kill

melee crit weakspot kill also counts

[azure narwhal]

I am aware, but this was too precise to mess up, so i dunno what to tell ya man

literally placed markers everywhere to double check our farming spots

i was shooting at a constant 40-50m range

yet only scoring 1 or 2 progress amidst all the kills

i can take a video tmr when i grind what's left

[south spindle]

Probably best done on the desert map with the powercells in the middle event

Get a recon las, stand at other end of the arena, delete horde

[elder vessel]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[hybrid token]

forgot how much of a cluster fuck havoc ascension is lmao

feels like swimming through syrup lmao

[covert fable]

52 minutes

[stable spear]

Damn that's a lot of ammo picked up

[sonic kayak]

@covert fable Ready?

[covert fable]

Hmm?

Wdym?

[sonic kayak]

For Havoc

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/boomb-cat-boomb-cat-boom-cat-explosion-explosion-gif-gif-17107588862516012936

Sure lemme turn on my pc

Whats ur fatcode

[sonic kayak]

The numbers in my name

[covert fable]

Ooh alr

That's convenient

[sonic kayak]

Yes, that's why most people here put those numbers in their name

[covert fable]

that makes a lot of sense now

idk how i didn't connect the dots there

[sonic kayak]

[covert fable]

added u

[sonic kayak]

Accepted, why are you declining?

[covert fable]

oh I was not at my pc sorry

[hybrid plover]

That's also one of the worst maps.

So congrats.

[austere mica]

End event of all time

Incapable of spawning anything that can harm you

[tame lodge]

Closest we had was a weakened boss

[hybrid plover]

I love Enclavum Baross

Especially when no one knows to get the power cells.

[civic apex]

❤️clandestium Gloriana

[hybrid plover]

Ez 1k+ kills

Real talk. Clandestium Gloriana is one of the best maps to use smoke grenades on.

[civic apex]

Burgles at start❤️❤️

Actually fun to use book on that map

[hybrid plover]

Pogryn knocking the entire party off the balcony.

Auric Maelstrom with poxburster modifier.

Love to see it.

[civic apex]

Purple and rot armor + gold 🙂

[barren cave]

best map is dark communion for me

it just flows so smoothly

[hybrid plover]

Until you play Havoc.

[barren cave]

plus you can actually see the cathedral you're going to most of the time

what map is easy in havoc

[civic apex]

Relay station

[barren cave]

relay station

[hybrid plover]

Archivum

[barren cave]

yeah figured

[civic apex]

Hab dreyko

[barren cave]

hab dreyko is okay, its easy but i dont enjoy it

[hybrid plover]

Dark Communion is legit one of the worst maps for havoc.

[barren cave]

i like comms plex too

[hybrid plover]

So much open space for gunners to absolutely ream you.

[tall torrent]

hab dreyko only has 1 hard fight (bridge after final event)

[hybrid plover]

I honestly miss it.

[barren cave]

yeah I think it used to be harder back when you didnt have to poison the tree

[hybrid plover]

The extract is still fun though.

[civic apex]

Twins spawn there❤️

[barren cave]

a map I hate now and i get nonstop is refinery delta 17

I hate the last event so much

[civic apex]

I think they should tune down the bosses and specials and just add more crushers

For every map

[barren cave]

no

reduce all crusher amounts and make each crusher stronger

[civic apex]

Let’s make carapace the most common enemy type

[hybrid plover]

Oops, all crushers.

CIVI be like

[civic apex]

Waiter, there’s a trapper in my crusher soup

[barren cave]

I like gloriana too but that first event

the timing is so tight

[civic apex]

Oh it get boring after that

I don’t like the end

[spice shard]

make poxwalkers have unyielding instead of unarmoured

[barren cave]

YES

[hybrid plover]

First event is actually one of the quickest you can do too

[civic apex]

The start is my absolute favorite of any map, hands down.

[barren cave]

the ledge area in the beginning is great

especially with tox bombers

its just tight timing

its not complicated

you just cant delay resetting the synchro box thingie

i bet if they actually added 1 second to the timer a lot of people would finish it on the first try

~~ mainly me~~

[civic apex]

(Shroud)

Stealth vet haha

Give arbitrator and ogryn stealth

[barren cave]

give ogryn infilitrate

[covert fable]

too late to screenshot but the boss was stuck in there 😭

[hybrid token]

a tale of two maps

literally double time lmao

[serene bough]

do not like ascension riser

such a snoozer

[covert fable]

oh what

[tawny timber]

just got kicked because i wouldnt step into an airlock door while there was a whole bunch of enemies we still needed to kill before crossing it

like

for playing the game correctly

[formal ice]

I got a question

How long were you killing the enemies instead of progressing with your team?

[stable spear]

3 of the 4 people disagreed with you not getting into the air lock

1 of the 4 people was you

(it takes every person to vote against you to remove you)

[formal ice]

If you stayed more than like 5 minutes killing the enemies while your team kept waiting for you to progress the mission then you are asking to be kicked lol

[spice shard]

Were there any enemies in the airlock?

If no

Get in the fucking airlock

If yes

Get in the fucking airlock and kill the enemies

[tawny timber]

20 seconds

[formal ice]

You sure?

[tawny timber]

yes

it was a group of specials

[formal ice]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-heavy-tf2-heavy-team-fortress-2-heavy-team-fortress-two-thinking-gif-13167291159341927470

Get in airlock

[spice shard]

Were they in the airlock?

[stable spear]

I don't believe that, in 20 seconds, the whole team agreed to kick you. I think we're getting one side of the story here lol

[formal ice]

*Was I the asshole for making my team wait 20 seconds to progress the mission and then get kicked for it?"

[tawny timber]

im so deadass

it was literally 20 seconds

never been votekicked before

nvm

if group is deferring a horde they should not be deferring I wont get in the airlock

i dont want to stack hordes on top of each other

[spice shard]

The only reason you shouldn't get in the airlock is because of shit like nurgle beasts imo cus they can come through in the next area

[tawny timber]

its qp and nobody said a thing about speed running

they spam pinged the airlock and got mad i killed the remaining specials

no shit sherlock

but I am not going to leave a wave of specials to stack on top of the next one awaiting us on the other side of the airlock

[stable spear]

That's a clue that they are losing patience with you

[tawny timber]

I'm not a fucking idiot

I knew that

they kicked me immediately after that

[stable spear]

3 of the 4 people in your team thought so haha

Anyway, you live, you learn

[spice shard]

Do they even show up in the other areas

Doesn't seem like they do

[tawny timber]

doeesnt know game mechanics but coaches me

[spice shard]

To be fair get in the airlock is so obvious even a moron knows it

I should know, im a moron

[stable spear]

He confirmed he's not a fucking idiot

[tawny timber]

I got in the fucking airlock

you are all acting like i spent 5 minutes hjerking off

[stable spear]

You said that you wouldn't step into it?

[tawny timber]

for a solid 20 seconds yes

while i was killing specials

[hybrid plover]

...

[spice shard]

15 seconds too long when there's 3 other people in there in a 4 man party

[hybrid plover]

I mean, that is a decent chunk of time that you didn't go into the air lock.

[formal ice]

If team want to go door, go door, not do care for horde stack

[hybrid plover]

20 seconds can feel like an eternity in this game honestly.

[spice shard]

Its not like you get bonus points for killing things faster anyway

If they show up somewhere else
Just shoot them

Problem solved

[tawny timber]

particularly if you are letting one person kill all the specials

which I had been doing the whole game

I get this

but all I did was hold them up for that short amount of time and I got kicked

which is the first time this has happened to me in 700 hours of this game

I simply think they were impatient

[hybrid plover]

Maybe. I dunno.

I wouldn't really stress it.

[tawny timber]

I just thought it was stupid to kick me over

but apparently I come here and get dogpiled over it

and I am the asshole

[formal ice]

I didn't called you an asshole, does that mean I am a good person?

[tawny timber]

???

[formal ice]

[hollow ibex]

i've never seen anyone get kicked for taking too long to get into an airlock lol

1k hours in

[tawny timber]

thats what I am saying

this was really weird

[hybrid plover]

Okay lemme be the advocate of the devil here. Yeah, 20 seconds is a decent chunk of time to be not going into the airlock.

Do I think it's worth kicking over? No.

But you can't control what others think too.

[hollow ibex]

the 3 dudes might be a premade

[hybrid plover]

Yep. That's what I'm thinking.

[tawny timber]

that is also what I am thinking but I didn't really look to see if they were before i got kicked

[formal ice]

Sirosky we are doing an Reddit I Am The Asshole video

What do you think

Is he the asshole?

[hollow ibex]

eh not enough to kick someone over

i get annoyed when people take too long

[tawny timber]

also spam pinging is annoyign asf

[hollow ibex]

but i won't vote kick someone over that

[formal ice]

The 3 were probably in a voice call

For them to agree to vote kick you

[tawny timber]

I have also had so many mentally disabled teams in qp I have developed a severe lack of trust in the decision making of randoms

cause this team had already pulled a dh

so clearly not speedrunning

[hybrid plover]

unrelated, but i love pastrami sandwiches

[formal ice]

Okay

What we learned from this, guys?

[hybrid plover]

but it sounds like this team was already a pain in the ass to play with anyway

[formal ice]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-heavy-my-honest-reaction-gif-8870827506935116922

[tawny timber]

also they had a smyker

so

[formal ice]

Relax

We agreed that you aren't the asshole

[tawny timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4XDDezYxpM

forgive me

i was tired of being an adult today so I decided to come on the internet and behave like a child

[tawny timber]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-2-victor-saltzpyre-skaven-vt2-cyberpunk-2077-gif-1755468555140364019

[formal ice]

https://tenor.com/view/saltzpyre-no-free-saltzpyre-slot-vermintide-vermintide2-vermintide-ii-gif-25735249

[barren cave]

tbh

taking 20 seconds to get in the airlock isnt as bad as that one guy whos off collecting diamantine when the rest of the team is fighting 2 bossese

now I appreciate a good bit of diamantine

[tawny timber]

based

[barren cave]

but just kill the bosses mate

[hybrid plover]

that was me

sorry

it will happen again

[barren cave]

YOUR DMG MATTERS

JUST SPAM M1

[hybrid plover]

https://gyazo.com/4af36f7503017251d4fc3f57434c467d no you dont understand, i need as much diamantine as i can get

i dont have enough

soz

[barren cave]

i have like

1k diamantine

empowering weapons and building up curios is expensive

[covert fable]

WHAT

On the topic of diamantine

I wonder how it tastes

Gives me jawbreaker vibes

[hybrid plover]

can confirm

tastes like jawbreakers but not as sweet

also don't bite into it

i learned the hard way

[covert fable]

Is there a picture of what diamantine looks like

Without the uhh.. stuff around it

[serene bough]

oh boy i love posting resource accumulation

[shy atlas]

How

[serene bough]

almost 1.7k hours of game time since launch

[unreal nova]

Just H40 every week.

[serene bough]

that too

[unreal nova]

A mil plasteel will be normal.

[hybrid plover]

nearly 2.7k here for me

[shy atlas]

i will shovel your gremlin

and use that gremlin to shovel

because the gremlin is a shovel

[formal ice]

https://tenor.com/view/spamton-deltarune-money-greedy-gif-11844684200710628642

[burnt oxide]

Am I supposed to throw the smoke grenade at my feet or at the gunners

[tall torrent]

at where u want to be

[south spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-out-loud-laugh-ridiculous-hilarious-lolz-gif-17376550074772904877

[steep flower]

priorities

[steep flower]

almost 3k

[meager echo]

guys what is the boss dps combo for power sword 6, special light or special push attack ? Is this still apply to the captain shield ?

[calm shard]

push attack, 2 lights

[meager echo]

thanks

[plain osprey]

You ditch the power sword and grab the duelingsword instead

[meager echo]

I try the dueling sword, i cant handle horde with it...

[plain osprey]

Lightattack, lightattack, dodge backwards, repeat...

Not that hard

Just alot of movement

[tame lodge]

The alternative is psword special light

[meager echo]

I think vet is way harder than psyker

Vet stamina is so shiet

[barren cave]

i find vet hardest

even with shout

[meager echo]

If everyone stay together, i barely taken any dmg, once they leave or run ahead

I just explode

No stamina to catchup

If i dont run knife or dueling, i just can not catch up

...

[halcyon blaze]

Not to mention the standard instruction is "protect the psyker", and kind of ignores the fact that protecting your veteran lets them do their job of taking out specials.
I used to main Vet, so now I'm Ogryn main I try and keep on eye on the Veterans so they don't get left behind with no stam.

[meager echo]

I used to think vet is piss ez with golden toughness until i play vet.

Just explode if u make mistake

[barren cave]

The melee part is hard

[meager echo]

:d

[frigid shuttle]

you have random vets taking care of specials? must be nice

[tropic halo]

3 flamers, 2 bombers and a mutant

[tame lodge]

Can confirm

[plain osprey]

For a very skilled player, yes. For the average dingleberry, shout crutch comes easier to fuition that anything psyker has

[tame lodge]

Peak audio

Seven thousand fucking pidgeons

[plain osprey]

Sounds like a skillissue to me 🤪

[plain osprey]

I am one of those. I havent practiced all those infantry autogun headshots to not use them 😤

However, my build sucks against crushers, so they are all yours

[sudden cedar]

If your build sucks against crushers, maybe you could look for ways to deal with them.

[azure narwhal]

I feel like vet has a variety of melee weapons to deal with crushers. Some stupidly better than the rest but regardless

Woe, mk3 shovel be upen ye

[frigid shuttle]

ds4

[sonic kayak]

PSword

[tame lodge]

Chainaxe

[plain osprey]

I have. Its called giving it to the better man. Congrats, thats you 😘

[sudden cedar]

And i delegate it back to you. Iam not a savant when it comes to Veterans.

[plain osprey]

I mean, i usually run duelingsword or rashaad, so i can kill crushers If i have to. I usually dont wanna though 😂

[plain osprey]

No backsies. Those crushers wete a Gift

[azure narwhal]

Yeah course, there are the obvious choices but they get repetitive and boring

[plain osprey]

Sure

As everything in this game

[meager echo]

bro im old, and slow

xD

vet DR just weird, above 75% u tanky, pass that u just fold. If you play with arbites or ogryn, they move full speed forward u just die because no DR from coherency.

[covert fable]

Dingleberry 😭

[plain osprey]

Id like to use different words but i fear the mods wont let me get away with it, so the childish insults it is

[covert fable]

It works

[plain osprey]

When's the funeral?

[sonic kayak]

Blockheads

[plain osprey]

True, vet is a glass canon

[sly orchid]

iron will

[plain osprey]

DUNDERHEADS

[covert fable]

Nimrods is another good word

Dumpster baby

[plain osprey]

Turdwaffle too

[sonic kayak]

IIIIIIII'mmmm just a prom night dumpster baybaaaaay

[covert fable]

is this a movie reference

[sonic kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqHcEbm4MbI

@covert fable btw if you want to do more Havoc, hit me up

[covert fable]

Ya sure, I'm working for next liek 6 hours

[ashen cosmos]

ive heared people say the plasma gun is due a nerf or that fatshark will nerf it?

[gilded wraith]

All of the high cleave weapons scale disproportionately as enemy concentrations increase. Plasma, Flamer, Rumbler, and Inferno staff all benefit from this. I don't view Plasma as more worthy of a nerf than Rumbler or Inferno. However, plasma gameplay favors exclusively left click, which could use a rework to incentives secondary attack mode (right click). The first pass that was leaked a month or so back seemed a bit heavy handed in a vacuum.

[strange pollen]

So right now it's better to use pre-charged plasma gun rather than charged?

[gilded wraith]

There's a few times when a charged shot gives more efficiency, but 98% of the time left click spam is the best choice.

[graceful pulsar]

what are the best blessings to run on the duelling sword? im trying it out at the moment, but its not in the vets guide 😭

[sonic kayak]

Precog + Uncanny or Riposte

[gilded wraith]

Uncanny has really nice synergy with shredder grenades.

[sonic kayak]

Some people use Agile, which.. is an option

[graceful pulsar]

"refreshed dodge efficiency" that refresh your dodge-o-meter thing?

[graceful pulsar]

how does the grenade interact with my sword?

is there something un-obvious going on there?

sorry im new to this shit

😄

[sonic kayak]

Uncanny adds brittleness to armored enemies, which DoTs, like bleed or flame can benefit from

Although I'd say in the case of the Dueling Sword, things are probably dead before you can take advantage of that except for maybe bosses

[graceful pulsar]

aight fair. i read something in the guide about nades interacting with the weapon buffs in some way but it wasnt very clear lol

[sonic kayak]

Lethal Proximity on the Bolt Pistol influences the AoE of grenades

Perks on your weapon affect any DoTs you apply

[unreal nova]

Only frags, shredder frags, krak and Arby's Impact.

[graceful pulsar]

full benefit huh, thats kinda neat, hadnt considered that

[covert fable]

Is krak any better with lethal proximity

[graceful pulsar]

ok sorted out my sword there, thanks for the info guys

only game that i can think of recently that makes me spend all my cash and weapons levelling the masteries for weapons i DONT wanna play with, so i can finish them up and go back to the fun ones haha

[narrow widget]

uncanny is non negotiable

[gilded wraith]

Marginally, LP really shines with shredders larger base radius and the talent that boosts the shredder radius.

[gilded wraith]

Krak just doesn't have much radius to boost.

[covert fable]

I see

That's sadd

[plain osprey]

The grind takes awhile. Keep at it. Youre doing a good job!

[late jungle]

at most it has the ability to kill like

[covert fable]

I was hoping It would kill 2 crushers with that radius buff

[unreal nova]

Is only used for armourbane penances. Just so you might clip more stuff when it explodes.

[late jungle]

one extra crusher

[covert fable]

Ah

[late jungle]

assuming theyre. really close together

[covert fable]

Yup

[serene bough]

Hardly noticeable

[frigid shuttle]

it's effective dodge count, ie how many times you get full dodges

[serene bough]

I used a few times its not worth imo

[covert fable]

I seeee

[serene bough]

At most if there's a cluster of armor enemies it'll maybe clip 2 more

[mint spire]

Guys what's better, Bolter or Plasma Gun?

[sonic kayak]

Bolter is a good DMR/chip damage weapon, Plasma Gun is basically the ultimate pocket sniper

[mint spire]

Aight

Is the reacon good aswell?

Im new to veteran

[sonic kayak]

Recon is solid

[mint spire]

Nice

[sonic kayak]

Most of Vet's ranged weapons are decently solid except maybe the BrAutos

[hollow ibex]

brautos are good

[sonic kayak]

Some do require more work to make them shine though

[hollow ibex]

just needs exec stance

and i would not take them into havoc

[graceful pulsar]

what is DMR>?

[arctic rampart]

fast firing recon with dumdum and I like infernus is fun, hipfire your way to victory. 10% rending is important on it

[covert fable]

Yeah that 10% rending helps so much

[sonic kayak]

Designated marksman rifle, basically a long ranged sniping tool

[arctic rampart]

DMR in the games I've played indicate a fast firing long-range gun. "Sniper" is like a one-shot sniper rifle like an AWM

I suppose that will vary per game though..!

[covert fable]

It can be fast firing

Dmrs can be fully auto too I believe

Tho m14 is a dmr that was used in full auto

[mint spire]

Also, is shovel actually good? Or do people only Run It for the meme?

[covert fable]

But now it's single fire cuz of heat and poor controlability

[covert fable]

It's pretty weak sadly

Well it's okay

[mint spire]

Maaaann

[covert fable]

Try it out

[arctic rampart]

the OG shovel BONKs. its middle of the road but you can totally use it, its fine

[covert fable]

Shovel is still dun

Fun

[arctic rampart]

it has really good blessing options (uncanny, skull or decimator - https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/sapper-shovel/munitorum-mk-i-sapper-shovel) so have fun

you can totally take it to maelstrom or less.. power sword or dueling sword or knife or combat axe are definitely better

[covert fable]

Shock maul too

My beloved

Only on vet tho

[arctic rampart]

I have yet to even try shock maul. I'm such a power sword zealot

[covert fable]

Shock maul is amazing

[arctic rampart]

Shock mau power sword is amazing

[frigid shuttle]

I can't play power sword anymore

Relic Blade is just so much better.

[arctic rampart]

lemme guess, knife or ds4?

ahhh

[narrow widget]

bolter does huge boss damage as well

[arctic rampart]

My zealot's been collecting dust. I refuse to try relic blade in case its better than power sword lul

[frigid shuttle]

chyarge meter is so much better mechanic

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-is-it-though-thor-bruce-banner-gif-14242312

[covert fable]

Yess

[hollow ibex]

let me think

horde clear: ok

boss damage: bad

carapace: ok

yeah seems kinda mid lol

[covert fable]

It's funnn

[sonic kayak]

That's what I mean by chip damage

Good burst damage

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arby propaganda tbh

[covert fable]

noooo

Only fun on vet

[icy gulch]

new player here, vet is my first character. seems like vet is a good team player with versatility. Am i wrong?

[frigid shuttle]

yes and no

[icy gulch]

😐

[frigid shuttle]

It depends on build and skill.

[atomic void]

vet is a good starting character try out all builds and have fun

[hollow ibex]

the awesome thing about vet is

[sudden cedar]

Sure.

[hollow ibex]

if you git gud with it

[frigid shuttle]

but I will say that for me, levelling vet was the worst experience out of all classes, but at like 20-25 you get the key talents that make it work

[sudden cedar]

[hollow ibex]

every other class will feel easy to play

[icy gulch]

well im kinda going supportish starting in the middle on the tree, and im using a heavy sword, basically a dmr, and krak grenades to deal with pretty much anything. kinda wanna get the toughness on kill perk and let that combine with the perk later on that shares it

[atomic void]

leveling on every release class sucks ass

[frigid shuttle]

nah, zealot, arby, ogryn didn't feel as rough at all

[hollow ibex]

i brought my level 1 arbi into damnation and it was totally fine lol

[hybrid plover]

See crusher squad. Throw shredders. Build uncanny. Crusher squad die.

[hollow ibex]

vet feels ass until level 16 or so

[frigid shuttle]

psyker I levelled at launch so I don't really remember how it was

[atomic void]

arbeetus and ogryn are new trees

the others are ass

until u hit at least 15

[icy gulch]

im just supressing hordes for teammates and taking down elite enemies

[sudden cedar]

@atomic void I've got my fair share of fun out of dunderhead arbitrators while leveling my own.

[atomic void]

dunderhead

funny word

[covert fable]

Best way to level up fast just use xp curio and quick play?

Or is there a secret method

[hybrid plover]

Yeah.

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-13389545616236957540

[covert fable]

Huuh

[atomic void]

supressing hordes is a waste of ammo tbh i suggest u dont build up a habit like that

cut down the trash mobs with your melee

[hollow ibex]

yeah learn to love melee

[covert fable]

Also the fun starts at level 30

Or well it gets more fun

[snow cypress]

Hey guys, is a good idea to use a shovel for Aoe damage?

[hybrid plover]

What do you mean by aoe. Like horde clear?

[snow cypress]

yeah

[hybrid plover]

Shovel's horde clear is pretty good yeah.

[snow cypress]

any blessing you recommend?

[hybrid plover]

Uncanny + skullcrusher.

[covert fable]

I just realised its Sunday and I'm not supposed to be working

https://tenor.com/view/boomb-cat-boomb-cat-boom-cat-explosion-explosion-gif-gif-17107588862516012936

[hollow ibex]

work sets you....

[snow cypress]

thanks 😄

[sonic kayak]

You're good horde clear

[snow cypress]

I'm using Mk VII mark,idk if I should use other

[hybrid plover]

When horde clearing, use pushes since that pretty much nearly doubles your damage against anything that's staggered.

[snow cypress]

push attack?

[hybrid plover]

Well it does depend on your mk, which I'd recommend mk1 honestly.

But not necessarily.

[snow cypress]

oh really?

[hollow ibex]

mk1 is the least shit shovel

[snow cypress]

damm it

And me using mk7

[sonic kayak]

I do have to give the Mk 3 credit, it's awkward but it does have good lights and a fast special

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. Special attack has a really strong stagger value and can outright stop a crusher out of its overhead.

[sonic kayak]

The animations just look weird on it

[serene bough]

here's to hoping we see shovel buffs soon

[hybrid plover]

Which also procs skullcrusher.