veteran-class

[shy atlas]

Somehow

[long dove]

Yeah I know that feeling

[shy atlas]

I will strap you down by all limbs with tape and take an X-ray

[covert fable]

got me with the first half-

[hybrid plover]

It's one of the best compliments you can have for mobile, single target weapons like combat knife and dueling sword

[long dove]

Right now I like running Havocs but man is it an 8 hour shift at The Ball Crushing Factory.

[covert fable]

sounds like it

[long dove]

I make it to rank 21 just to fail repeatedly and up at 19-20

[covert fable]

darktide ranked

[long dove]

yup

[barren cave]

I can't decide what to take between superiority complex and bring it down

[long dove]

what does complex do again?

[barren cave]

15 percent dmg against elites

[long dove]

oh right

why not both?

[barren cave]

Bring it down is 20 percent against ogryns and monstrosities

I can't do both

[calm shard]

all ogryns are elites

[long dove]

and not all elites are ogryns

[barren cave]

Also Is the 10 percent rending node actually good

[long dove]

I wonder that as well

[barren cave]

I feel like I can prob skip it and get trench fighter

[calm shard]

for a few specific weapons

notably

recon lasgun, vraks infantry autogun, laspistol

anything that uses infernus or DoT

vraks autogun with 10% rending can kill crushers if you have high enough crit chance

[long dove]

for the tic damage and low alpha damage?

[barren cave]

What if I just take onslaught on those instead of 10 percent, that should be better right

[calm shard]

onslaught is three skill points

rending is only one for most builds

[barren cave]

Putting point tax aside for the sake of it, onslaught is better yes?

[long dove]

I love it

[tall torrent]

what's overall build

[long dove]

I use it on my Recon build

cause Brittle > Rending

[barren cave]

It's mk12 recon las

[calm shard]

eh not really

[barren cave]

With mmf

And uh, ds4 or rashad I forgot which

[tall torrent]

no

[long dove]

How so?

[tall torrent]

why do u think brittle is better

[long dove]

well in this case it's 10% vs like 30%(?) on the armor removal. Plus Brittle lets everyone deal more damage vs rending that only effects you.

[sly orchid]

generally you just wanna kill stuff as quickly as possible

so brittleness isnt that useful

its only really useful if you can apply it in an AOE or external thngy

like arbites brittleness on the dog

[long dove]

what about for Recon Lasgun builds?

Cause I use it on my build

[sly orchid]

i use headhunter infernus personally

[tall torrent]

the second sentence is massively overexaggerated

[calm shard]

it's fine but like

you're spending a lot of skill points to get onslaught

[long dove]

Yeah I'm talking the talent on Vet

[calm shard]

just so you can justify shooting into one extra enemy type on the recon lasgun

[late jungle]

vet already gets taxed enough

[sly orchid]

ohh you can use the talent

[late jungle]

onslaught just isnt worth it

[sly orchid]

i use it too

[late jungle]

😞

vet rework...

[barren cave]

Zealot first

Plz

[long dove]

I mean I shred things fast with Onslaught

[late jungle]

no reason we can't have both in the same update

rolls my eyes ..

[barren cave]

Which recon Las mark are yall using

[late jungle]

flutters my eyelashes...

[long dove]

12 I believe

[calm shard]

I use VIc

[barren cave]

The devs are fatshark

[hollow ibex]

You should take dumdum, HH isn’t great

On recon

[calm shard]

XIV is fun sometimes because it has cleave

[barren cave]

I use 12 I think

[late jungle]

yeah :(

[barren cave]

The one with the chaotic spread

Or is that 14

[calm shard]

XIV is the slow one that has cleave

[barren cave]

No

I use the fast one

The fastest

[hybrid plover]

That second point only really applies a lot of value to something like trauma staff

[calm shard]

XII

[hollow ibex]

Most people use XII

Vic is for sweats

[barren cave]

Although I didn't know the slow one has cleave

[hybrid plover]

Something that can cause a lot of brittleness to many targets in one fell swoop.

[hollow ibex]

XIV is for deadshot memes

[long dove]

that the slower one?

[calm shard]

yeah 3 cleave on the XIV

[hybrid plover]

Brittleness for one target that's probably going to die quickly anyway is not the greatest benefit.

[calm shard]

enough to shoot through a single poxwalker, ranged enemy, or bruiser

[tall torrent]

no
the "more dmg" aspect is super exaggerated

[barren cave]

Is 6c not that good

[long dove]

For crusher and boss though it shreds

[calm shard]

VIc is the other good one

[calm shard]

brittleness doesn't help with bosses

[tall torrent]

for an attack that has 100% or higher ADM vs an armor type
40% brittleness is only +10% dmg

[hybrid plover]

Oh yeah. And it doesn't necessarily do more damage.

[calm shard]

most weapons don't have super bad unyielding damage

[tall torrent]

does, just not relevantly

[hollow ibex]

Middle child

[long dove]

How?

[hybrid plover]

It just lowers armor efficiency.

[tall torrent]

kind of a weird way to put it

[hollow ibex]

It’s good

[tall torrent]

DT armor type is not quite "armor" and more like Borderlands' health/shield/armor

[hollow ibex]

Better than XII imo

[barren cave]

I'll try 6c now

[calm shard]

I prefer it over XII as well

Just kills things faster

[barren cave]

I miss old columnus, op as it was, I feel like the new vraks isn't as stable

[hybrid plover]

I mean that's what rending basically is. Brittleness essentially being the debuff version of it.

It's the simplest way of putting it I think since the main thing to take out of it is that it doesn't really do much of anything against fleshy targets.

[hollow ibex]

The one place XII wins is if you’re using it purely as a Infernus stick. Ie you stack burn and just stop firing after hitting max stacks

[barren cave]

Yeah that's what I do

[hybrid plover]

It very, very, very marginally helps with bosses but it's so marginal that it barely matters.

[long dove]

I prolly need a mod to see burn stacks huh

[hollow ibex]

Most people just shoot until dead

And that’s typically what you want to do

[tall torrent]

armor efficiency not rly a thing cuz armor type is not DR in this game
it's much more similar to borderlands' health/shield/armor system in practice

[barren cave]

It's also great hip firing mk12 into bosses

I'm considering removing unyielding on my recon las for more critrate

[hollow ibex]

I run crit and unyielding

[hybrid plover]

Well the whole point is that it makes whatever you do to that specific target penetrate more, right? Or with brittleness, anything anyone does penetrate more?

What else would you describe it as? Not throwing shade, just asking for some insight on it.

[turbid oracle]

Since when can the chainaxe explode people?

[barren cave]

Ik I have unyielding, I think the other perk I have is flak

[long dove]

You have the Bloody Mess perk

[tall torrent]

borderlands' health / shield / armor system
fire does more vs health and sucks vs the other two
shock does more vs shield and sucks vs the other two
corrosive does more vs armor and sucks vs the other two

that's much closer to DT's "armor type"

[tame lodge]

Me with like

4 hours into borderlands 2

[soft trellis]

I legit didn't know this until now x.x

[soft trellis]

I knew shock did more to shield and corrosive did more to armor

[hybrid plover]

So if anything, it's more like

Corrosion then.

[tall torrent]

no

[calm shard]

my "corrosion" combat knife with uncanny

[tall torrent]

none of those make these "armor types (health / shield / armor) weaker

they just inherently do more vs a specific type

[calm shard]

uh

atually

in Borderlands 1

[tall torrent]

like DT attacks' ADM

[calm shard]

Corrosive makes enemies take more damage

This functionality was replaced by Slag in Borderlands 2

[barren cave]

Ah yes

Slag magic missile nades

[sly orchid]

Issa bug

Lasguns can also explode people i believe

[barren cave]

Do you think they'll rework ps to manage power like relic blade

[tame lodge]

Easier to add another mark

[calm shard]

I think it'd be funny if they did, and somehow this made the weapon weaker

[long dove]

so if Onslaught is bad, what would yall say would be the replacement?

[barren cave]

Rending strikes ig

[tall torrent]

do u rly need to shoot crusher with ur gun

[calm shard]

not even just this question add onto it

Do you really need to shoot a crusher with your gun, and are you really not willing to equip a gun that's just naturally good at it?

[hybrid plover]

Ah I see now.

[barren cave]

Think of it this way, if you don't take onslaught, you have 3 points free to put anywhere, and vet always has more stuff to get

[long dove]

I already have a plasma gun build, this is my other build

[hybrid plover]

Tbf the nodes you get above that aren't bad.

But honestly, onslaught is kind of a meme.

[barren cave]

You can take reciprocity , desperado trench fighter

[calm shard]

plasma gun is not good at shooting crushers

[hybrid plover]

You don't really want to be taking on a crusher with a full auto gun since, you do that and you're wasting ammo anyway.

[calm shard]

at least not compared to the actual crusher crunchers

[barren cave]

Or get more nades

[calm shard]

helbore, revolver, and bolter

[soft trellis]

Yes

[long dove]

at this point I feel like I shouldn't even bother playing Vet. The amount of people who are like "Plasma is great for crusher and killing elites and such"

[barren cave]

Is bistol bad into crushers

[calm shard]

kind of? it's not the worst in the world

but like

not really worth it

[tame lodge]

Notice how you use an entire mag

[long dove]

or shooting at Bulwarks

[calm shard]

unless you know they're low health and you can't walk up and stab them

[tame lodge]

#nooticing

[calm shard]

plasma is great for killing elites and specialists

it can shoot through bulwark shields and kill cruhsers

[long dove]

My plasma build runs a shovel

[soft trellis]

It wasn't even a fully upgraded autopistol lol

[calm shard]

but it's such a waste of time and ammo

[hybrid plover]

Okay real talk that is honestly one of the best things about plasma. Being able to ignore bulwark shields. But for crushers.

Eh...

[calm shard]

this does not help your case

[tall torrent]

yes unless u meme build

[long dove]

"The Plasma Gun in Darktide is a powerful ranged weapon, primarily used by the Veteran Sharpshooter class, excelling at dealing high damage and penetrating armor, especially against tougher enemies like Crushers and Reapers. "

[calm shard]

yeah I don't know who wrote that

[tall torrent]

no

[calm shard]

but that's not what plasma gun specializes in

[hybrid plover]

Okay who wrote this.

[tall torrent]

cannot go through bulwark shield

[calm shard]

okay I know you're wrong about this

so I'm gonna go get a screenshot of it

[soft trellis]

What about the mk6 power sword push attack when you're right up against their shield? :3

[calm shard]

unless they nerfed it and I didn't read the patch notes

[tall torrent]

too bad

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/17387093143905102267/FDB648D4EA9983B116A05155EC859B693ED62661/

[sly orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-of-p-pinocchio-gif-8034685000585713923

[tall torrent]

bizarre hitbox mashing is not the same thing as being able to cleave through carapace

[calm shard]

oh you misread because I forgot to put a fucking comma in the message

[soft trellis]

Fair

[calm shard]

I meant it could shoot through bulwark shields, and kill crushers

despite that not really being particularly productive

[tall torrent]

it does not

watch the clip

[calm shard]

there is a comma there now

because you misread what I said

I am saying it can do both of those things

individually

not at the same time

[soft trellis]

aim at the eyeholes just for the lulz

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

ok sure whatever

[tame lodge]

Bulwarks when you hit dead center

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-memes-invincible-mark-grayson-mark-i'm-invincible-gif-16261850057897629840

[soft trellis]

Try hitting dead center on the shield

I don't have a plasma gun on my vet so I can't test it x.x

[calm shard]

yeah it's not great

[soft trellis]

Clip it too! :3

[tall torrent]

yea it's just not worth the ammo

[tall torrent]

nah takes like 6 shots to kill a damnation bulwark
complete waste of ammo

[soft trellis]

Plasma gun is really that bad vs crushers and bulwarks?

I've never used it in any legit sort of way, so I have no clue x.x

[calm shard]

very not good

[tall torrent]

not worth the ammo

[calm shard]

only slightly better into crushers

[soft trellis]

Good to know if I ever do try out the gun >.>

[orchid hemlock]

Why does everyone refuse to just melee the Crushers? 😞

[calm shard]

you'd really think the right click would do more than that but nah

[soft trellis]

Cause most people are nervous about 6 crushers on top of them

[orchid hemlock]

What about the thrill??? 😈

[soft trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs-gif-18567655

[calm shard]

nah

[hybrid plover]

Honestly it's never felt like it's taken that much for me but I guess that comes down to the build too

Or I'm just misremembering because I can't remember the last time I even used the plasma

It's boring as hell

[tame lodge]

Not worth the ammo huh

[tall torrent]

actually 7 lol
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/9612821785649466651/345F0A197AB921C57EF562A2504CF467B9EFDEE4/

if u roll RNG bad on crit

[long dove]

okay so instead of onslsught what do I get?

[tall torrent]

what melee do u have

[long dove]

recon I use PSword

[tall torrent]

desperado

[long dove]

I'll just go Desperado, Reciprocity, and demolition team

[orchid hemlock]

I like your hedgehog

Gimmie

🦔

[long dove]

I want a hedgehog. They're so adorable but my area floods everytime it rains to hard and I don't wanna put a hedgie through that

also is the proper build for Plasma using Weapon Spec?

[orchid hemlock]

You switch to our for blood if it's a wave clearing melee

[long dove]

Switch to our?

[narrow frost]

Out for blood

[soft trellis]

This is even customized with me in mind!

[orchid hemlock]

The right top

[long dove]

is that .25s better than On Your Toes?

[hybrid plover]

Oh wait that's why.

[orchid hemlock]

Path why are you soo obsessed with rolling the dice 😭

[hybrid plover]

I tend to try and keep plasma as high charge as possible to max damage out.

[soft trellis]

Is there a reason some people don't go after confirmed kill anymore? Is it cause it is less guaranteed due to how rapidly other people can clear elites/specials?

[long dove]

I currently use this for Plasma Gun

[hollow ibex]

You could really free up three points there

[hybrid plover]

Hmm...

[hollow ibex]

Potentially 4

[hybrid plover]

Yeah that top part. Best to just dedicate to one side instead of trying to squeeze the nodes from another side in.

The left node under survivalist isnt really great either.

I forgot what it's actually called though.

[soft trellis]

So like this?

[hybrid plover]

[long dove]

so my current build is crap then

[hybrid plover]

Not, the worst.

But it can do with some touch up

[tall torrent]

swap speed and O4B scale better for havoc

[orchid hemlock]

Toughness Gen is important but not that important

[soft trellis]

Ah

[long dove]

and do I need weapon spec?

[orchid hemlock]

No but you save ammo with WS

[soft trellis]

Do you need talent points?

[orchid hemlock]

Because of AP

[long dove]

how do I save ammo?

[orchid hemlock]

Plus WS makes PS much better, especially with trench

[orchid hemlock]

Always Prepared

[hybrid plover]

It depends on what you want to do with plasma. Personally, I've always thought WS synergizes with plasma way more.

[tall torrent]

which gun

[hybrid plover]

That doesn't save ammo.

[long dove]

Plasma build

[soft trellis]

That takes ammo from your reserves tho...

[tall torrent]

no

[hybrid plover]

It just makes sure you have ammo in the "mag" after a kill.

[tall torrent]

but it's nice for ur melee

[orchid hemlock]

Yes I meant you don't need to reload

[tall torrent]

always prepared is a wasted pick for plasma

[hybrid plover]

Meaning, it's actually completely unnecessary for plasma.

[orchid hemlock]

No u 😈

[tall torrent]

it just is

[long dove]

I do the animation cancel for plasma so I can reload pretty quick

[hybrid plover]

Like running out of ammo in mag in any practical sense with plasma is honestly rare.

[soft trellis]

How would it be with Arbites' triple barreled shotgun?

[tall torrent]

I'd even go as far as calling it IQ tax for plasma

[hybrid plover]

It's the reserve itself that feels low.

[tall torrent]

can u run the question through ur head first before asking

[calm shard]

I should try and run this build

think of the DAMAGE

[soft trellis]

I meant as a speculation if they had it

Not in any serious manor

[tall torrent]

stop speculating then

[soft trellis]

Aww

[hybrid plover]

I honestly run something similar to that with shout.

It's very stupid.

[long dove]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e7528bc-0042-4c72-a21e-ac1e05fe3871/veteran-plasma-gun-current

Would this be good to run?

[tame lodge]

(without checking the build)
No!

Why Thrust on the DS though

[soft trellis]

If it's a random gamelantern build probably not

[hybrid plover]

Because it's actually pretty good.

[tame lodge]

Not enough

[soft trellis]

They're running my exact dueling sword setup I had on my Zealot wtf

[tame lodge]

But apart from the perks on the plasma

Yeah it's a pretty ok build

Lemme double check

[soft trellis]

That's not the worst gameslantern build I"ve seen

[tame lodge]

Yeah pretty normal

[soft trellis]

@tired egret

[hybrid plover]

Thrust ensures one shots on higher health targets. It's good if you're trying to max out single target damage but just not as versatile as other choices. And it's not hard at all to hit max thrust stacks on ds heavies.

[calm shard]

who do we ping for "okay plasma 70 thermal 70 charge"

[soft trellis]

idk

[soft trellis]

What about the curio perks?

[tame lodge]

Those are weird for sure

Block efficiency

💀

[soft trellis]

I saw cdr and I was like "nope" lol

[hybrid plover]

What.

[tame lodge]

Don't remember the discussion of stamina Regen versus sprint efficiency

[hybrid plover]

Cdr is legitimately one of the best picks for curios.

If not the best for vet.

[soft trellis]

Could be, but, you're not gonna sell me on cdr for a 30s career skill

for a curio perk slot

[long dove]

I went cdr and I have to say I love it

[soft trellis]

not outside of havoc anyway

[tall torrent]

just use the one I sent lol

[orchid hemlock]

Jeficus

Ever since he unironically uploaded that stamina maxing Deadshot recon build

I have diagnosed him with copium 💀

[hybrid plover]

The less time you have to wait to shout, the more uptime you have on your golden toughness.

If you use any of the nodes that give damage on ability use, not only does that increase the up times on those, but those abilities also stack infinitely if you can cast shout before the time runs out.

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent do you take CDR? 🤔

[tall torrent]

2

[orchid hemlock]

I feel conflicted because yes it is useful to cycle golden toughness

But at the same time, if you actually are doing your job and taking out specialists, you will also get the ability back very quickly

[soft trellis]

And the higher the difficulty the more specialists there are to take out

[tall torrent]

I think it's worth on every class besides zealot cuz IoD is absurdly op

[hybrid plover]

Yes but it taking generally one less specialist to reproc it can result in much less time that you're left without gt.

[soft trellis]

Break the line:

[orchid hemlock]

Ok but I want that stamina 😈

[tall torrent]

then take it lol why not

[hybrid plover]

And that's extremely big on Vet particularly.

[orchid hemlock]

IG the question is what is more important

[tall torrent]

u can drop sprint efficiency if u take stamina

[soft trellis]

Otherwise, yeah it's useful on arby

[hybrid plover]

It's useful on every class.

The only classes that don't really benefit that much from it are zealot with IoD and arbites with break the line.

Everyone else sees big returns from CDR

[spring ocean]

Diminishing returns for sure

[tall torrent]

just zealot

arb doesn't get as much value but it's still alr, just not as potent as on other classes

[long dove]

Surprised to see marksman

[tame lodge]

When the

[tall torrent]

havoc 1 shot flamer

[trim badger]

Me with the book running 3 CDR, backstab and IoD

https://tenor.com/view/holy-bible-holy-bible-jesus-read-gif-2341073283933236698

[tame lodge]

The bibble

[orchid hemlock]

My Vet after running 2 meters:

[spring ocean]

Fattie

[long dove]

harder to do as you go up in ranks?

[spring ocean]

Yes

[buoyant pewter]

You know what, I've always wondered why we have such a long stam recov for the most part

[spring ocean]

They get additional modifiers as you go up

[tall torrent]

havoc flamer 2100 health maniac

[long dove]

oh okay

[spring ocean]

Ranging from spawns, to health, and damage(?)

[long dove]

I mean Tag was helping with that as well but eh

[tall torrent]

way more than that

[long dove]

I'll test this build out and see how I like it

[spring ocean]

Ofc

[hybrid plover]

Yeah that's what I'm saying. There is benefit but it's just not as significant specifically with BoL.

[hybrid plover]

Not really.

[hybrid plover]

Marksman is very good.

People get turned away by the 10s but assuming you're actually doing your job and killing specialists, that's virtually negligible.

[spring ocean]

regarding CD?

I would tend to think it is for break the line with how fast it is

though I probably should have specified with what I was talking about regarding it, so sorry about that

[hybrid plover]

It's not that it's diminishing returns, more that the effectiveness of CDR is directly proportionate to how long the ability cooldown is.

[spring ocean]

for sure, I think it's diminishing returns for specifically break the line because of how short it is

[hybrid plover]

BoL has a very short cool down as is and a subnode that takes a flat five seconds off.

[spring ocean]

and yes, I do agree you get more value out of the CDR on longer cooldowns

[unreal forge]

I like the curios CDR even on BTL

shaves 2.6s off, together with the subnode that's -7.6s

and in Havoc I do think those few seconds off every time make a difference

[calm shard]

CDR curios my beloved

I am picking these abilities to USE THEM

[unreal nova]

I mean, it's good. Even just for buff upkeep.

[tropic notch]

im too on top of killing specialist to notice it ngl

i dont run it

used too

dosnt it change voc to 30 to 26?

4 sec?

not woth

[tame lodge]

Ok hear me out it goes from 5 specialist killed to

5 specialist killed

Crazy huh

[covert fable]

is onslaught good for the recon lasgun?

[tame lodge]

Yes and no

Allows you to shoot carapace

That's it

[covert fable]

it kinda shreds

ill try it out

exe stance recon lasgun time 😎

the aftermath

[long dove]

Question, what job does the recon do compared to thr plasma in havoc?

[calm shard]

better ammo economy, can justify shooting at basic ranged enemies, frees up ammo for your team

much much better boss damage

[long dove]

Feel like worse against carapace

[calm shard]

plasma sucks ass against carapace too so I don't really see your point?

I guess it sucks less than recon las

[long dove]

Idk I shoot like 2 maybe 3 shots at crusher head and its fu ked

[hybrid plover]

Man ya'll don't spam shouts enough.

[long dove]

Well with tag

[calm shard]

it takes 1 full charged right click, and either 2 left clicks or another min charge right click to kill a crusher which is already pretty slow

and eats a lot of ammo

and generates a lot of heat

that you might need to shoot targets that the plasma is actually good at killing

[long dove]

Well I guess psword and shovel are decent at carapace then

[calm shard]

psword is good into carapace

[hybrid plover]

Shovel is decent.

[calm shard]

shovel is okay

[hybrid plover]

Power sword is legit one of the best weapons in the game for carapace.

[long dove]

Sapper shovel is the one I mean

[hybrid plover]

Yeah I'm aware.

[long dove]

Was making sure

Cause there's 3 of the bastards

[hybrid plover]

It's worth it because it let's you overlap shouts more consistently.

[long dove]

Anyway atm I use psword with recon and shovel with plasma

[tropic notch]

its 4 secs

[hybrid plover]

Think about this for a second.

You shout. You're able to kill, say, four specialists. That's 24 seconds. If you can't get another specialist kill, which can happen for a variety of reasons, you have to wait six more seconds before you organically get your shout back.

With CDR curios, that's now two seconds, which is significantly less punishing and also allows you to time your shouts. Because say that you do manage to get a specialist kill in the wait without the CDR. If you do have that CDR, you can wait out the timer, shout, and then kill said specialist and that now cuts off six seconds from the next shout that you're doing.

And that lets you overlap them more consistently than you might realize.

That's why CDR is so powerful specifically for shout veterans, because that golden toughness does stack and again, if you're also running the ability damage boosts, you can keep them up more consistently and even overlap them since there's no limit to their stacking.

[long dove]

Also, less time never hurts

[safe kestrel]

Constant gold toughness negates bursters and makes your team love you. Speaking as a witness to vocal vet play

[hybrid plover]

And it gets stupid when you have a psy aura psyker in the mix.

Also, the more you upkeep golden toughness, the more effective Iron Will is.

[hearty panther]

You mostly got it right but for Veteran you only need 2.5 specialist kills.

30 seconds base cooldown, 15 second yellow toughness duration

With CDR you only need two specialist kills to have 100% yellow uptime

[hybrid plover]

It's not just the 100% yellow uptime I'm talking about.

It's the fact that it stacks beyond that first 50 you get.

The more frequently you shout, the more golden toughness in theory you can amass, and therefore, the tankier you are because of IW.

[hearty panther]

yea but broadly we only care about having even just one single point of gold

thats all it takes to completely negate spillover damage

[long dove]

okay so without onslaught, do I bother aiming at the head of crushers?

while using recon

[hybrid plover]

you don't bother shooting them at all

actually, lemme throw one case scenario where it can do something

the burn can do damage if you have a melee with uncanny strike, but you have to have your melee out for the rending to actually take some effect

well, if you use infernus anyway

but that's a really awkward synergy to take advantage of in the heat of the moment

[long dove]

yeah before I was just shredding them with onslaught

instead of being just useless against them

[tame lodge]

You always aim for the head

That's kinda

Vets whole thing

[long dove]

I do but I feel like I deal nothing unless its the burn since no brittle

[unreal nova]

Because in 95% of cases, you shouldn't be shooting crushers.

Most guns aren't made for it in mind.

[tall torrent]

U have a power sword
Use it

[tame lodge]

All roads lead to melee

https://tenor.com/view/peak-its-so-peak-praying-hands-praying-black-guy-gif-9969548697603007069

[hybrid plover]

also i care about having ALL the golden toughness

gunners are fucking annoying and the more you have, the less of a problem they are

[burnt oxide]

Is the braced autogun good in havoc

[tame lodge]

No

I mean

Anything works below havoc 16

But for high havoc

No

Unless you want a glorified suppression weapon

I would still recommend accatran shotgun for that

[burnt oxide]

Unfortunate I was looking to try a new build in havoc besides the bolt pistol and lasgun

[barren cave]

Do iag

And duelling sword ig

Or psword

[hybrid plover]

it's not as bad as you'd think actually

phone stumbling upon a comment of old and i had to interject on it

[manic panther]

any weapon is viable if used correctly

[calm shard]

there's some guy I remember seeing mentioned that runs this and outdamages inferno psykers with it

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

[calm shard]

so it's viable

at least

[shy atlas]

you're viable

😳

[distant mural]

Breedable

[hybrid plover]

because uncanny with manstopper and flechette goes absolutely stupid

now add skullcrusher to that

[olive halo]

for the focus target penance, do I have to get the kills or does it count if my teammates kill them too?

[steep flower]

No

[steep flower]

Correction; 26 sec cooldown cause 3 cooldown ability regens on your curios

[steep flower]

For ANY class in ANY build

[steep flower]

Mah boi does not know how fked a situation can get within 4 seconds

[unreal nova]

That one bubble is life or death.

[steep flower]

Its like ppl who play the lottery tickets; they don’t know basic math and wonder why they lose

[unreal nova]

Half a sec can mean gold toughness eating an overhead or blep.

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Sometimes, a situation gets fucked in less than 4 seconds.

And sometimes i'd say, the situation was fucked before it even started.

[steep flower]

Thats usually due to team comp lacking in smth

[sudden cedar]

Yes

[unreal nova]

Hi, I do nothing but panic.

[steep flower]

You do WAY more than you get credited for girl

[unreal nova]

Nope, only panic.

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova You do way more than you credit yourself for Kari.

[unreal nova]

I panic hard, you know that.

[steep flower]

I like the way you panic

Sadly chainaxe shenanigans don’t work no more; you grew out of it

[unreal nova]

There's the new event I hate so much.

[sudden cedar]

Why tho.

It seems everyone hates it.

Could it be because things don't just get one-tapped all the time?

Could it be you are actually, you know, forced to play the game?

[late jungle]

darktide players dont like playing the game thats why they all use the duelling sword

[sudden cedar]

That is how it feels sometimes.

[faint beacon]

New event? What rotten armor

[late jungle]

ig

they have this weird resistance where they take less damage at high health and more damage at low health so in a way theyre kind of resistant to those certain 1 tap weapons

[unreal nova]

My psyker can't deal with them. Also 1 shots at 300-500 ping hurts hard.

[sudden cedar]

Yeah well.. have you tried playing on a server that does not force such a high ping on you?

(i am aware that this might not be possible)

sarcasm off

[unreal nova]

(I do not want to solo.)

[sudden cedar]

Solo with bots or just solo in quickmatch?

[unreal nova]

(Also playing with friends.)

[unreal nova]

Solo with bots on quick games.

[faint beacon]

It’s Blight + Pus hardened but exclusively to carapace armor types

[sudden cedar]

Yeah that might be an issue.

[unreal nova]

When I play, the APAC server is DEAD.

[sudden cedar]

Its not blight.

Its just Gas

[faint beacon]

They basically take barely any ranged damage but get hurt to melee

[unreal nova]

3 hits DS4 on uprising.

[faint beacon]

It’s not even the Tox bomber version it’s the twins

[unreal nova]

I'm not sure how they expect newbies to do the event.

[faint beacon]

Micro manage carapace packs

[late jungle]

its not THAT difficult

ur overexaggerating it i feel

[faint beacon]

I’m killing them with a Tac Axe

[unreal nova]

You try doing it with starter weapons or low greys/greens.

[late jungle]

i have ..

[unreal nova]

Just takes forever to kill.

And if it's an actual newbie, that compounds.

Auric with that ping is trying to not die to 6+ overheads while having no warnings.

Lets go gambling.

Thing is, I feel like none of you actually tried it with ping and packet loss to understand why I say it's a nightmare compounded.

[sudden cedar]

I know what you mean.

The thing is, your server region simply sucks for stuff like this.

The event exists on Uprising too.

[unreal nova]

Oh, is how I found out it takes 3 hits with a maxxed DS4 to kill one.

Mauler.

We got tired of heresy games not counting randomly so sped through uprising.

[safe kestrel]

Ngl I hate playing with a little ping after we crossed regioned a few of these games

Idk what the difference is, but playing with some people from EU server makes it shitty enough. It looks normal at first them enemies shift randomly and you take damage from an unknown source

[steep flower]

Probably from russia

Cause for some reason russia = eu

The ENTIRE russia

[unreal nova]

Why I said, trying to clutch is as spicy as you think, then DC, lul.

[sudden cedar]

Sounds like fun, playing with someone from Wladiwostok

[unreal nova]

Think Poland.

[sudden cedar]

I don't need to think Poland.

I know Poland.

In your words.

[unreal nova]

All I know is Varus was somewhere nearer to RU server side... Cue the most ridiculous games I had for months. Everything teleports.

EVERYTHING.

[sudden cedar]

Varus, Varus, give me back my legions.

[safe kestrel]

Are you serious?

[steep flower]

I might have exaggerated

[steep flower]

Poland mentioned

[sudden cedar]

Polska Gurom (without special characters)

[steep flower]

This hurt more than it should make me proud

Ouch

[sudden cedar]

[unreal nova]

@nimble night That Varus.

[sudden cedar]

Ah. I thought the other Varus.

[mortal aspen]

wait really?

lmao

might as well make australia EU too

[clear lantern]

FatShark using Eurovision rules for server clusters

https://tenor.com/view/saksafon-muzik-jaz-gif-11565262

we sunstroke projecting in Atoma

[unreal nova]

There is a reason I usually pray we don't end in RU... It goes from 280 ping to... 400+... Like US E, except US E is usually more stable.

I rather US W if I'm playing US.

[mortal aspen]

I don't think I've experienced high ping in darktide yet

playing on EU

[sudden cedar]

@clear lantern That is one good song

[unreal nova]

If you are from EU playing EU, that's normal.

[sudden cedar]

Or rather, the saxophone parts are.

[clear lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqncwuryBcM

[safe kestrel]

Somebody was phone filming missiles over Lebanon while some guy was going to town on a saxophone and that was the most kino shit I’ve ever seen

[sudden cedar]

[nimble night]

That’s the reference 👌

[sudden cedar]

Did you give them back tho?

[nimble night]

I live in Poland, close to German border so being sent to Russian servers is like a detention 🫣

[nimble night]

A bit, in my heart they did

[sudden cedar]

Precious Legions they were

[unreal nova]

Eh?

[clear lantern]

it is a WW2/Cold War thing\

Molotov–Ribbentrop

[unreal nova]

Oh. Well, yeah, next to RU. RU servers very fantastic.

[clear lantern]

wanna play Darktide with the members of OTYKEN so I log into RU servers and wait (it never happens)

[nimble night]

Russians have a history of sending minorities they don’t like to Siberia or Kazakhstan
It is kinda a big deal here, you have societies of descendants of people who were sent there. Or polish people with Asian features are often descends of people who were sent to Kazakhstan

[clear lantern]

getting friendlisted by VITAS but he plays a psyker so I never join his havoc runs (he is HL 40 and is amazing)

[nimble night]

True that, but it was what it was

Can’t change the past

[unreal nova]

Oh.

[nimble night]

Random history lesson over 😅
I am a bit of history enthusiast

[clear lantern]

Kazakhs, Cossacks, Georgians, Chechens, Uzbeks, Turkics, and Mongols; the East is a wild and untamed place.

[sudden cedar]

Quite.

[unreal nova]

Me and history... Does myths and legends count?

[clear lantern]

that's called religious studies

all hail the Omnissiah

[sudden cedar]

Praise the Omnissiah.

[nimble night]

I think they do, it often mixes a bit

Praise the Omnissiah ⚙️

I praise the Omnissiah daily at work

[clear lantern]

licking my KVM switch and hovering a censer over it to ensure it turns my monitors on when I click channel #2

[sudden cedar]

Praise the Omnissiah.

https://tenor.com/rWi0tLwpG9O.gif

[nimble night]

Praise be

[nimble night]

I ask him to guidance before going out to fix a machine

[safe kestrel]

Praise the Omnissiah

[sudden cedar]

It even is red.

[nimble night]

Machine in question

[sudden cedar]

Red like the Martian Sands.

[safe kestrel]

By Holy Mars…

[sudden cedar]

Praise be.

[nimble night]

True, we are the true servants of the Omnissiah

[sudden cedar]

It needs more purity seals.

[nimble night]

You have a good eye

It does, it was still under construction
In line for testing it was waiting

[sudden cedar]

A restless machine spirit.

Slumbering, waiting to perform its blessed tasks.

[safe kestrel]

Throw parchment on it. Explain nothing

[sudden cedar]

Candles, Incense!

[safe kestrel]

Hello

[sudden cedar]

Praise the Omnissiah! Blessed be his works!

[nimble night]

https://tenor.com/view/servoskull-gif-22081450

[nimble night]

It gets them before disassembly before packing

[nimble night]

They work very often 21 hours per day - they should rest as much as they can before blessed operations start

This is another, a more magnificent, machine I tend to

[viral pasture]

Why is the 1st mission so hard

[sudden cedar]

A little more information would go a long way in trying to help you.

[inland orchid]

ya a lot of people have different 1st missions given Quickplay and the option to not do campaign existing

More context would do wonders

[sudden cedar]

Wasnt so important after all now was it?

@viral pasture Can you elaborate on that?

[teal canyon]

arbites are worst fucking teammates

[sudden cedar]

No.

Worst teammates are worst teammates.

They are on every class.

[teal canyon]

i see a pattern

[buoyant pewter]

The pattern is mostly due to a recent influx of new players for said class, so where it holds some water; they are just not great team mates, whether they're on Arbites or not.

[severe jolt]

arbeetus do kinda suck thoughever
I think it's because they've gotten too comfortable with their class being so strong that they don't have much consideration for teammates

[sudden cedar]

I mean yes, i concede, the class does tend to allow such a playstile due to how self-sufficient it can be.

[teal canyon]

i have about same thoughts

[buoyant pewter]

Newer players right now have flocked to Ogryn and Arbites at the moment cause new thing, and its bringing people in. Which I see as a boon in the long run of the game! Though there is growing pains

[sudden cedar]

But when a teammate is bad, they are bad.

[teal canyon]

sometimes i wish sprint wasnt in the game

[earnest barn]

having a full arbites team always means one of two things

either they're gonna play the game for you, or you're gonna have to help them every milisecond

[buoyant pewter]

Yeah it is quite binary

[severe jolt]

They're the new knife&stealth zealots

[sudden cedar]

Reminds me of the first days of the Arbitrators.

[teal canyon]

last run they left me to deal with boss alone

[sudden cedar]

Many skilled players, yes, but also a lot of dunderheads too.

With probably higher level and better gear and i still had to carry them through.

[narrow widget]

the game literally plays the game for them tf u mean you're gonna have to help them every millisecond

[earnest barn]

i've seen a lot of arbites players get way too comfortable and then ending up curbstomped for it

[unreal forge]

selective bias

[narrow widget]

there's like only two things they get punished for and it's trappers and mutants

[severe jolt]

I'm assuming you're a new player and the first few missions suck because you don't have any gear or talents, or experience with the game mechanics. Darktide is a weird game in that way - it doesn't instantly "click" with you, it only gets really good after you've played it for a while.

[teal canyon]

if i have two arbites in the team, i 85% shure this is gonna be a painfull race

[sudden cedar]

When i have an Arbitrator in my team, more often than not they overextend and i can scrape them from the floor afterwards.

[teal canyon]

if there is two of them they both overextend aggroing more enemies while ignoring 100 armor atoma division im fighting with a toothpick

[sudden cedar]

Duelling Sword Enthusiast i see.

[teal canyon]

no. just that anything is a toothpick when you come to the 100th Atoma armored division

[narrow widget]

the humble power sword 🙏 🙏 🙏

[sudden cedar]

Well, i'd say.. learn to kite.

(of course, it is easily said, i know what you mean)

[teal canyon]

i found out the devil claw work best just because i can quiqly punish ragers, but everything else is ass

[sudden cedar]

Okay Devil's Claw is really setting you up for a hard time.

[narrow widget]

shout exists for a reason 🙏 🙏 🙏

[sudden cedar]

Because it sucks against anything armoured.

[teal canyon]

its work well when i have teammates

but it shure doesnt work when im alone

just like any other weapons

[narrow widget]

hardly anything in vets kit works when you're alone

except for power sword and bolter my beloved!!!!!

[unreal forge]

vet's thing is his crowd control is mid compared to every other class

[earnest barn]

the humble recon las:

[severe jolt]

my favorite is when they eat shit while on the other hemisphere of Atoma and they go

wtf why is no one taking care of the gunners and specialists?
and I'm like, wtf why did you leave me here taking out a horde in melee when I'm playing as psyker and could have brainbursted all of them easily if you'd given me a few seconds of time without worrying about the melee shits

[unreal forge]

and recon is mid vs mixed hordes

[teal canyon]

arbites - far forward, completely ignoring the arnor all aggroed on me, as they more interested to aggro armor

[unreal forge]

it was easier when u saw more taunt ogryns around getting the aggro for you

[sudden cedar]

I am all for it when someone pushes forward to test their limits. But don't expect your team to follow you that quickly.

[teal canyon]

it good at killing ragers

and tanking bosses

[narrow widget]

practically everything is good at killing ragers

[sudden cedar]

And by the Throne if you move yourself in such a position and you get squished, take the loss and endure the humiliation of it.

(same with waking up a daemonhost)

[severe jolt]

playing shriek psyker
injects concentration stimm
I'm just gonna scream and shout at them until they all die

[teal canyon]

move out
@
fight
@
arbites just moving forward
@
fight harder
@
100 atoma armor division came for your ass
@
3 mutants 2 bombers and 3 hounds your way
@
its 4 minutes in
@
survive
@
arbites fight something with huge horde on their ass
@
They run forward despite it
@
Leave the game

[sudden cedar]

The problem removes itself.

https://tenor.com/brYN5.gif

[teal canyon]

last time:
"Dont just run forward"
They just run forward...
1v1 fucking plague ogryn and mauler
stuck in wall
ogryn too
cant see plague ogryn
die

[narrow widget]

the humble frag grenade

[teal canyon]

the only way i survived

yeah. stuck in wall phase was about a minute

[earnest barn]

what is the better grenade choice for vet anyway, krak or frag ?

[teal canyon]

frag

[narrow widget]

frag
kraks are mid

[earnest barn]

really ? i use krak most of the time

[teal canyon]

if you run weapons that cant deal with armor

but clear hordes well

i guess they ok

but armor is plenty, and grenades arent

[narrow widget]

grenades are very plenty if you run stockpile and demo team

[teal canyon]

not as plenty as armor

[narrow widget]

but the stagger from frags and how spammable they are is just more useful

[teal canyon]

yup

[earnest barn]

i tend to lean more towards kraks on builds where i'm not using something like the plasma gun or bolter

trying to face off against a herd of crushers and other larger lads with just a recon lasgun and combat knife ain't fun

[narrow widget]

you should generally be using melee to deal with cara
bolter is the major exception

• knife with uncanny strike hits armor well anyway

[clear lantern]

Look at this certified fortlift operator right here

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-meme-forklift-ascend-soldier-gif-27472634

[earnest barn]

ik, i just don't like risking it with crushers

[nimble night]

Thank you

Perk of choosing this job what a complete forklift certification training. Now I can drive any type of forklift

Now my flat can legally have a forklift battle arena

[narrow widget]

shout or frag them and then while they're staggered you can take them out without risk

[sudden cedar]

It would be a good idea to get comfortable with them in melee.

[narrow widget]

that too

[sudden cedar]

Not that you would want to fight them in melee, but if you have to, you would be better prepared.

[clear lantern]

powersword, chainsword/chainaxe, combat axe overheads are all good options versus crushers; they're of course easier if you have an ogryn (and if tha oggy has a branx you probably won't even get a hit in)

[sudden cedar]

Probably.

Iam just here because most of time it's relatively sane here.

[clear lantern]

the worst thing about crushers is their stealth mechanics

[earnest barn]

An ogryn being capable of stealth is wild

[clear lantern]

really gives 'em time to line up the overhead

[narrow widget]

forgot one pokey stick

[clear lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/bayonets-crazy-knife-gif-25291189

[sudden cedar]

Fix Bayonets.

[earnest barn]

The large majority of my downs as vet are from crusher or mauler overheads

I despise them

[narrow widget]

just get used to dodging them ig

[earnest barn]

I do

[clear lantern]

but they have stealth you see

[earnest barn]

The problem is when i get body blocked by something else in the process or get snuck up on

[clear lantern]

sometimes 4 of them will sneak up behind you, Looney Tunes style

[late jungle]

with shredders/shout you wouldnt be getting body blocked

🙄

[clear lantern]

grenade regen + shout is a lifesaver in auric

for suuuuuure

[late jungle]

shouts aoe stagger is definitely its most useful feature ..

[earnest barn]

i had an aversion to using voice of command up until recently because its the meta, but unfortunately its the only truly useful vet ability

[clear lantern]

at high level yeah; but man sometimes you just wanna hit Heresy/Damnation and just execution stance a gunner patrol for 90 straight seconds and 3 full cooldowns

Pop Pop Pop

[narrow widget]

and sometimes you just wanna pop infiltrate and do nothing the entire game

[steep flower]

Exept chainsword; unless you run arby with forceful keystone you won’t be staggering a crusher with it

[steep flower]

Ninjagryns

[clear lantern]

they sneak up on me man

they just do

no sound, no rumblin

[earnest barn]

You arent the only one who gets snuck up on way too much

[clear lantern]

screen grey, pan my camera, and there's 6 crushers

where the fuck

some hatch opened behind us and they come out like the little fukken rascals

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bQszi.gif

[clear lantern]

sneaking in like a church mouse

[steep flower]

Pillar Crushers

[earnest barn]

Its always them or maulers

Always

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bdhAh.gif

@steep flower When you said Pillar Crushers, i just had to.

[earnest barn]

i could be going deaf or whatever but literally the only time their chainaxes make any noise is right when they're about to split your head in two, i swear

[sudden cedar]

No you are not going death.

[narrow widget]

audio bugs out when there are a lot of enemies

[sudden cedar]

They are very poorly telegraphed

Crushers and Maulers are barely audible in all the mess that is going on

[clear lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/magneto-power-magnus-erik-gif-13970318

[severe jolt]

Forget anything you ever knew about this class
the highest tier build is

frag grenades
every grenade talent you can possibly get(Demolition Team, Demolition Stockpile, Grenade Tinkerer, Twinned Blast is what I managed to squeeze in)
combat knife or duelling sword with Uncanny Strike(that +rending applies to the the grenade bleed because lol fatfish coding)
bolt pistol with Lethal Proximity(that increases the frag grenade radius as well because lol fatfish coding)
and then you just boom away with grenades

[clear lantern]

WELCOME TO DIE

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bt0Bu.gif

[narrow widget]

🥺

[clear lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-oh-south-park-yikes-this-isnt-good-oh-no-gif-21974155

[earnest barn]

wot makes me a good demoman ?

[clear lantern]

Because if I was a Bad Demoman I'd be dead!

[earnest barn]

smoke and marskman's focus

actual meme

[clear lantern]

smoke + execution stance == Sam Fisher NVG mode

[narrow widget]

the single worst builds you can have on vet using every talent point

all tax
no utility

[earnest barn]

If i ever manage to get another one of my buddies into darktide, i could try to trick them into using this

[late jungle]

Weeeeelllll

smokes r better than kraks .

[earnest barn]

Not that i would, of course. I'm not a psychopath

But i'm just saying it would be funny

[narrow widget]

in high diff yeah but aurics and below they have 0 impact

[earnest barn]

No lol, being able to instakill every large enemy is still more useful

[narrow widget]

????

[severe jolt]

I wouldn't try to get any of my buddies into Darktide either.

[late jungle]

u can do this with a melee

or a helbore

but like..

sure .....

u get to kill TWO large enemies

[earnest barn]

Oh that part i already failed at, i meant the tricking someone into using a horrible build part(which is why i said "another one" of my buddies)

[late jungle]

and then u become uselses

[narrow widget]

dueling sword
ps6
helbore

[late jungle]

which is quite literally nothing unless ur playing on like, uprising

[earnest barn]

Three if you have the node for it but thats true, it has its limitations

[narrow widget]

three ((((3)))) large enemies every sixty ((((60)))) seconds

[earnest barn]

weeeell

[narrow widget]

https://tenor.com/view/3take-it-or-leave-it-three-take-it-or-leave-it-sbs-patrick-gif-15037514

[earnest barn]

If you get lucky sometimes you can take out multiple people with one krak, but it almost never happens

[narrow widget]

and you also get your kills stolen by some dueling sword zealot anyway

[late jungle]

with bolt pistols lethal proximity you can BARELY kill 2 crushers with one krak

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or club arbites

[ember nest]

Veteran is so bad the players are arguing over what's the least bad choice

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or oggy

[ember nest]

Pensive emoji

[earnest barn]

Let me cope

[earnest barn]

Funnily enough, i almost never see duelling sword zealots

Its almost always the thunderhammer, eviscerator or knife

[covert fable]

LMAO

I wonder if the game will feel easier if I play zealot or ogryn

[earnest barn]

that rework cant come soon enough dawg 💔

[earnest barn]

The answer is yes

Full stop

more so with ogryn because zealot still needs at least some skill

[covert fable]

Zealot just says no to death

Ogryns toughness bar doesn't move

Veteran just collapses from a light attack

[wheat palm]

Me watching the Ogryn clear the whole room with Rumbler spam

[late jungle]

i feel like people overexaggerate veterans weaknesses

like. way too much

[covert fable]

It's funny to

[severe jolt]

I think zealot is easier
with ogryn you still need to understand positioning

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fym oggy needs to understand positioning

he like looks in the general direction of a horde and it disappears

[earnest barn]

Everybody jokes about the veteran going down easy when psykers exist

[late jungle]

if u have more than 5 hours in the game u probably wont be dying as psyker .

[covert fable]

Generous

[severe jolt]

ogryn is susceptible to gunner fire
as long as you got stuff to melee you're golden though

while zealot's three abilities are

fuck you I'm getting in there/fuck you I'm getting out of here + free toughness
fuck you I have gold toughness now and you're all staggered
fuck you I'm invisible

[late jungle]

u dont have all dat much tdr but u have crazy toughness regen plus everything just kinda dies assuming ur using like, fgs or something

[covert fable]

Does arby have any insane skills

I don't play that class

[late jungle]

Everything

every single arby build is good

[wheat palm]

The I don’t take any damage for 15 seconds is pretty nuts

[late jungle]

assuming ur not using the middle keystone

[earnest barn]

Loud incorrect buzzer

[covert fable]

Bro what

[earnest barn]

A mild gust of wind is enough to take you down as psyker without any toughness relics

[wheat palm]

Castigator stance lmao

[analog mural]

Castigator stance gives 80%DR

[covert fable]

Reduction?

[late jungle]

80% dr and all ur toughness back

ya

[wheat palm]

Hit one button get 80% DR and CC resist

[covert fable]

WHAT

That's fucking insane

[wheat palm]

Oh yeah and all your toughness

Press it and tank four poxbursters lmao

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and you get toughness back so quickly anyway that any damage to your toughness that you take doesn't even matter

[late jungle]

yeah arby genuinely has the craziest toughness regen in the entire game

very high tdr too

and then u have castigators on top of that ??
like ????

[wheat palm]

It is very hard to kill an arbitrator

[earnest barn]

ogryn is easy but arbites genuinely could be played by a comatose patient

[covert fable]

LMAO

[wheat palm]

Which is why I’m shocked every time I watch my teammate get mogged on

[covert fable]

I hope veteran doesn't become too op because it'll ruin the class

[earnest barn]

it was fun at first but then i immediately stopped playing arbites after getting all of the class penances because it was actively making me worse at the game

[analog mural]

Well we've seen what an OP vet can do

[covert fable]

Whaa

[analog mural]

Release vet was totally busted

[covert fable]

Oh

How so

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me brainrot from oggy and arby

[wheat palm]

Oops, infinite ammo on shooter stance

[analog mural]

Permanent e-stance which gave like 75%dr and shredder pistol

Or just boltgun

[severe jolt]

this tbh fam
playing arbitrator gives you bad instincts, like ignoring dogs because lmao your own dog will just save you

[earnest barn]

pretty much

[covert fable]

Wtf 😭

[earnest barn]

Ogryn still takes at least some critical thinking because gunners can still shred you at range if you're melee focused

[covert fable]

Ngl I'm tempted to make a full glass cannon veteran

3 stam curious 😭

[analog mural]

Deadshot recon? Lmao

[earnest barn]

Arbitrator meanwhile has god mode, bull rush but better in almost every way and the nuncio aquilla is near infinite toughness

Working as intended™

[wheat palm]

Listen up block fodder 🗣️ 🔥

[earnest barn]

I think the cyber mastiff used to be even more broken a while ago too, but that got fixed

[tame lodge]

Bullrush but better is crazy

💀

It's literally worse

Smh

Don't fall for propaganda lads

[earnest barn]

Nah, its comedically spammable

[tame lodge]

Doesn't make it better

[severe jolt]

teammate puts down a nuncio-aquila
activate castigator's stance
Sorry, I'm just not gonna take damage right now.

[wheat palm]

I think nuncio and bash are fine, but castigator’s is genuinely nuts

[barren cave]

Ngl

[late jungle]

nuncio and bash r both good they just dont compare to Literal godmode

[barren cave]

It's super rare for me finding an arbitrator going down

[late jungle]

the only time an arby will go down is against trappers

[wheat palm]

You have to be actively trying to go down man

[late jungle]

or dogs if they decide to use lone wolf for whatever reason

[earnest barn]

i still think its peak comedy how the arby's shotgun does like 1000 damage without upgrades

[ember nest]

I mean you can still make vet work pretty well, the gane isn't so hard (non havoc) that it requires that. Auric maelstroms might leave you wondering how to patch up specific holes in your build.

[severe jolt]

Aquila was bugged at launch and it gave 70% TDR instead of 30% because Swedes don't understand how math works and coded it wrong.

[ember nest]

But at the moment vet is opportunity cost: the class

[wheat palm]

You mean my sniper rifle

[ember nest]

Also plasma shots should work like trollhammer shots

Explode when they run out of cleave

This also means they should reduce the cleave.

[tame lodge]

Different plasma

[spare jolt]

def yes

[ember nest]

Wym

[covert fable]

Thats well said:>

[earnest barn]

combat shotgun users weeping in the corner because their gun is completely redundant

[faint beacon]

Plasma Mark thats just a fucking AOE blast cause...

fuck you

[tame lodge]

Just make another plasma gun mark

[covert fable]

Has anyone tried a full glass cannon veteran yet

3 stam curious

[spare jolt]

it's not a pleasant exp

[ember nest]

I suppose, but like, when the hell will they do that

Its taking too long augh

[mortal aspen]

lmao

[covert fable]

Perfect

[ember nest]

I want a "heavy gun" thats just has a stubber mark and a hotshot volleygun mark

[tame lodge]

Casual Agri w

As always

[wheat palm]

VIII is the choke right?

[ember nest]

People be shitting on the agri for NO reason

[spare jolt]

well keep coping we won't get anything cuz these guys go to vac 1/3 of a year

[ember nest]

The tide will come

[faint beacon]

Has more ammo though

[ember nest]

And it will be dark

[faint beacon]

teehee

Another Agri W

[earnest barn]

a darktide one could say

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I think vets will always be in every meta comp no matter how little dps they do purely bc of shout and survivalist

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-19335672

[wheat palm]

Glorified ammo and toughness generator huzzah

[late jungle]

vets still really strong without the golden toughness and survivalist i feel ..

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like they could literally be servitors and deal 0 dps and still have a place in meta

[spare jolt]

below havoc

[faint beacon]

If both arby and Vet run the 25% Ammo talent, Agri has about 40 more shells than Ext 8

Literally just another W

they dont stop coming in

[covert fable]

Can milkshake give +3 curiou

[late jungle]

because darktide players hate fun

[covert fable]

Melk

[late jungle]

must play ogryn and arby

[ember nest]

Probably but thats more "because" than "despite" and that kinda sucks lol

[late jungle]

must use ds

[faint beacon]

or throwing...

[ember nest]

Also I finally

[normal bay]

Yes

[ember nest]

Completed my 100 arbi missions