Charge will knock them down, taunt will aggro them, and you can just use the PSword to poke them in the back either way
#veteran-class
sonic kayak
serene bough
well ignoring other classes for a moment and just sticking to vet, is it worth bringing MMF + exe over kraks + VoC to clear a wall of armor? just dont agree to that
sonic kayak
(or DS if you prefer)
calm shard
You don't need MMF+exe over kraks
I did try to do it talentless but the lack of crit chance is what kills it not not having exe xd
In real gameplay you'd have reciprocity active
Assumedly
VoC also makes kraks even more worthless because you can just VoC the bulwarks and kill them that way
And take a real grenade that provides real value instead
serene bough
you wil have scenarios where VoC is on cooldown, as you will where kraks are not necessary and VoC is sufficient
shredders are better but sometimes if zealot or psyker is bringing their flamer i opt for kraks bc its able to remove bulwarks and stun bosses
sonic kayak
well ignoring other classes for a moment and just sticking to vet, is it worth b...
IMO if we're going Exe + MMF then yes, simply because it's already good against everything, but you have no personal defense except for your melee; If you're taking VoC and using that to stagger big targets then melee is just faster IMO
calm shard
shredders are better 99% of the time
And that other 1% is dominated by smokes
not kraks
serene bough
nobody is denying that shredders are better
but pls dont bring smokes
truly a terrible blitz
sonic kayak
smokes are a carry in H40
calm shard
smokes in havoc especially are really really good
sonic kayak
It's the only nade I bring on Vet in Havoc, they're just very useful
calm shard
a better psyker bubble that you have multiple of
calm shard
Smokes are better than shredders in havoc imo
Mostly because they completely disable ranged twin when they spawn
sonic kayak
Disables Not-Rodin, gunners, trappers have to walk up to you to trap you, stops dogs
serene bough
i really dont want to get too into smokes and the cope required to justify them, I'm just saying a krak grenade vs an autogun is a really far fetched comparison
calm shard
Cope? about smokes?
While you're doing mental gymnastics to justify Kraks?
While I can provide real examples of common wipe scenarios that smokes alleviate?
serene bough
While you're doing mental gymnastics to justify Kraks?
My point was that kraks, while needing several buffs, are not comparable to an infantry auto gun. You can continue to be rude and snarky about it, but I dont believe they're comparable
sonic kayak
I use them the same way I use bubbles, I put them where I will be going, not behind me or where I am
calm shard
they aren't comparable because they're worse in every way yeah
serene bough
my only point of contention about smokes is you can simply play and position better and the smoke is useless, disabling ronin who is one of the lowest tier threats in the game is never worth justifying over shredders
serene bough
but i really don't want to get into that
calm shard
rodin is one of the lowest tier threats in the game?
have you actually played havocs or are you lying about that to try and give yourself credibility?
Because that's what I'm suspecting at this point
serene bough
ive played and cleared H40 several times
I don't understand why you're being extremely rude and pissy
sonic kayak
my only point of contention about smokes is you can simply play and position bet...
I use smokes because gunner/reaper spam is equally annoying and hard to deal with in H40; In Auric they are mostly irrelevant yes, but in H40, gunners will literally delete you; Heavens forbid they are red
Shield will be destroyed in seconds, smoke + tinkerer is what? 30 seconds?
30 seconds of ranged disabling
Plus, as a Vet, you do have damage
calm shard
Shield's minimum lifetime is 6 seconds if it's being shot constantly
Smokes with tinkerer are always 30
sonic kayak
All of your damage nodes affect both your melee and ranged, you don't struggle with anything except bulk
calm shard
Smokes have a few downsides that shield doesn't because they don't have the toughness regen and are a smaller AoE
sonic kayak
Hell, use both 
serene bough
I use smokes because gunner/reaper spam is equally annoying and hard to deal wit...
i dont have these issues bc i position myself well enough
calm shard
But also you can throw them further, get more of them, etc.
covert fable
https://imgur.com/a/O1FT7vx
I saw that, you hit your own ogryn
faint beacon
If you play smokes you’re throwing, stupid, and cringe like ummm… @lucid hinge
sonic kayak
i dont have these issues bc i position myself well enough
I see, so the drain pipe in Magistrati, past the second dropdown from the walkway, you have no issues with snipers or ranged spam shooting you from the medicae because you are crouching behind a box?
serene bough
https://imgur.com/a/O1FT7vx
i dont ssee why you cant do this without smokes
lucid hinge
If you play smokes you’re throwing, stupid, and cringe like ummm… <@508465754832...
WHAT
calm shard
Rodin would be shooting me and spamming mines without smokes
serene bough
can you not dodge his telegraphed plasma shot
calm shard
I can
I cannot dodge mines forever in a cramped corridor
Good thing smokes means he doesn't throw them at all huh?
serene bough
you can properly trigger them or move corridors
faint beacon
Immediately trigger them
serene bough
and like, smokes for this one enemy for an entire H40 run over shredders?
calm shard
serene bough
seems a bit wasteful to me
calm shard
they also obviously let you do pushes
lucid hinge
Yeah you’re cringe
calm shard
I mean you take kraks because you can't figure out how to VoC bulwarks so
That seems pretty wasteful in my eyes
frigid shuttle
I take kraks for the penance 
serene bough
truly not what I have mentioned at all, but okay lol
spiral wraith
Why tf are we arguing about a blitz?
sonic kayak
I don't throw grenades for armor, I melee, like a gentleman
serene bough
kraks need several buffs, I just find the comparion between a krak and an auto gun silly
calm shard
Again yeah it is silly because the autogun runs circles around kraks
better than them at everything they can do
tame lodge
Why tf are we arguing about a blitz?
Just let it happen, it always ends the same
calm shard
Well except Havoc Crushers
serene bough
I think its silly bc they're completely separate tools
calm shard
Autogun can't really do that if you're not running a shitty meme build
calm shard
I think its silly bc they're completely separate tools
Kinda yeah. It's like people with those expensive esoteric knife sets that have niche stupid knives in them
And real chefs will just tell you to use the normal knife
Just use the autogun
serene bough
Uh huh, right
Well you're honestly pretty rude and overall combative over what I believe was a simple opinion and disagreement
ill concede that you were correct and ill remain silent
covert fable
What is the weapon
tame lodge
Exactly
sonic kayak
Kraks don't need a buff
Honestly I think I agree with this; They used for their stated purpose, no more, no less
narrow frost
Nothing should be balanced around havoc
And even then kraks are fine in havoc
Shredders and smokes are just so good on havoc cause of infinite cleave and gunner spam
Thus people who need help playing the game don't take kraks
faint beacon
Don’t want to hear it closet furry goat boy
narrow frost
And then they undervalue them
lucid hinge
Don’t want to hear it ~~closet furry~~ goat boy
covert fable
Yea
faint beacon
And even then kraks are fine in havoc
I was crucified in here for saying they have value in H40 especially in Purple
This is why I no longer talk about them
sonic kayak
Guess why they're called kraks 
covert fable
Crack*
narrow frost
Peter....
faint beacon
Purple bulwark or crusher being a genuine nuisance and healing the boss?
Bye bye
Krak go kabloom
calm shard
And then they undervalue them
I don't "undervalue" them
sonic kayak
I was crucified in here for saying they have value in H40 especially in Purple
I played with a krak spam Vet, you know, same build for shredders but they were using kraks instead, was not bad at all
narrow frost
It's okay to be wrong
sonic kayak
I just use smokes instead because of the completely different utility they bring
I always try to avoid the "two left feet" thing that usually happens on a team
willow sluice
i wonder what if the 1911 is added since its canon
willow sluice
like it somehow survived almost over 40k years
covert fable
(like it matters)
Ofc it does 🤓
narrow frost
Shrimple as
covert fable
LOL
willow sluice
like is it gonna be good or bad?
sonic kayak
Nah, team was fine, the problem is that they didn't want to kill the heretics as much as me
sonic kayak
like it somehow survived almost over 40k years
Wait until you see what heavy stubbers look like 
willow sluice
Wait until you see what heavy stubbers look like <:doge_evil:827382216543174656>
long mg08?
sonic kayak
Now the twin-link stubber
faint beacon
long mg08?
You don’t understand how badly I want these to be added
sonic kayak
shit fuck 9000
These are the stubbers for Ogryn
calm shard
These are the stubbers for Ogryn
there are stubbers for the dreg gunners too
plush kernel
The new weapon will be a new autopistol mark 
sonic kayak
The new weapon will be a new autopistol mark <:trollchad:1079909632824328212>
New shovel with only overheads for heavies and light attacks are the sideways heavies on the Mk 1 and Mk 7
The special? PA from the Mk 1 
faint beacon
Has no cleave
frigid shuttle
covert fable
this skin is so CLEAN
faint beacon
Vet now officially nearing a year with no new weapons
covert fable
vet glowup when
sonic kayak
Force-a-Nature lookin' ass
covert fable
cute
covert fable
shattering impact and fire frenzy for spearhead boltgun good?
hollow ibex
Usually pinning fire and puncture is the go to for vet
covert fable
oh what
hollow ibex
FF is pretty much never taken
shattering impact + puncture is a good combo, but mostly for zealot bolter
surgical + puncture/pinning can be taken for VOC vets
hollow ibex
not really taken either
covert fable
surgical + puncture/pinning can be taken for VOC vets
I'll try your recommendations
hollow ibex
calvacade was nerfed a while back
covert fable
Oh
https://tenor.com/view/boomb-cat-boomb-cat-boom-cat-explosion-explosion-gif-gif-17107588862516012936
dawn garnet
all my homies use puncture shattering
late jungle
shattering impact + puncture is a good combo, but mostly for zealot bolter
thats a zealot thing?
i use those blessings on every bolter ..
velvet gale
Favorite voice for Veteran? I'm torn between the Cadian and snarky sarcastic guy.
late jungle
the loose cannon is kind of awesome methinks
hollow ibex
thats a zealot thing?
Arbi perhaps too, they just play better into how vet and Arbi use them
But you can def use those blessings on vet too
tame lodge
Favorite voice for Veteran? I'm torn between the Cadian and snarky sarcastic guy...
Pro
tall torrent
Favorite voice for Veteran? I'm torn between the Cadian and snarky sarcastic guy...
If u have scion helmet, cutthroat
south spindle
Hmm what about shattering impact and uh cavalde thingy
Cavalcade is basically only good on Shredder Autopistol on Psyker because it lets you abuse the Mettle node
I guess also if you wanted to do bleed memes on Ogryn with a Ripper gun, but Ogryns base crit is too low most of the time to warrant it
grand perch
sonic kayak
Yes it is
You don't have stun immunity using it like you do on Zealot, but using the Mk 4 (which you should be) allows you to fuck up and big boy's day
Pair that with the flame shotgun and now you can do double DoTs with bleed and flame
silver dragon
I'm also running Voice of Command
Cutthroat's lines are vicious when using it
Screaming them out makes me feel pumped
cyan verge
loose cannon is my favorite by a lot
you have to remember we're not actual soldiers anymore, we're just a bunch of irregulars, we're the suicide squad basically
we're just junk they're throwing out there, we just happen to be pretty good at it so we're the ones that survive
covert fable
loose cannon is my favorite by a lot
Yess
silver dragon
Soldier or not - I'm still a guardsman who'll do Emperor, Atoma and Cadia proud!
cyan verge
the tone of darktide genuinely verges on comedic at times so I dunno, it doesn't really stand out for me, in terms of shattering the tone
especially if you have
any ogryn
in squad
covert fable
you have to remember we're not actual soldiers anymore, we're just a bunch of ir...
That's how I described the game to my friend lol
Well
"Imagine space marine but its 4 tards"
cyan verge
it's also why every character is soooo fatalistic, they're not just like oooh the deep dark darkness of the grim darkness of the 41st millenium, no they just genuinely don't expect or care that you survive, they have hordes of junk like you to throw at the problem until it is cleared
silver dragon
Ey! Survive for a week and might as well call yourself a vet!
cyan verge
if your life expectancy is like 1 minute then that makes you a veteran by definition
silver dragon
Damn straight
cyan verge
I have no idea what reject life expectancy is but if you look at what your gear is at level 1 then you can probably guess what the other failures are like
zealots out here given, one autopistol, and a tac axe
lol
silver dragon
I've stuck with me basic lasgun and shovel till I've mastered em
covert fable
Zealot is an actual priest right
sonic kayak
the tone of darktide genuinely verges on comedic at times so I dunno, it doesn't...
That's kinda 40k in general
silver dragon
Or Warhammer as a whole
cyan verge
yeah, I think dan abnett is one of the writers on this game and he likes his scrappy characters, many of the characters in darktide feel very 'him' and the scenario does too
sonic kayak
Those who survive know the odds are extremely stacked against them, and there's no real point in trying to be outstanding since you'll die on a rock in the middle of nowhere, if not by the enemies than by you, but like all grimdark, you have to have a hopeful element to keep everyone going
"I know I'm gonna die but I will push on"
cyan verge
yeah, that's a good way to look at it
silver dragon
Better than servitor bait
sonic kayak
If anything, you push on just to spite your would-be killers
cyan verge
(this is also the theme of dark souls 1)
oh I got untouchable operative + auric storm survivor in the same mission yesterday
finally that weight off my shoulders is done
ASS sure doesn't mean anything anymore but eh I'm just glad I don't have to worry about it
sonic kayak
Congratulations, you are an ASS
cyan verge
true and factual
anyway to get back on topic
yeah loose cannon is the best even though it's also horrible
I can imagine it being annoying for other players cuz it's like suddenly borderlands is in your game
but it's just so funny I gotta go with it
like the uhhh
zealot voice
you know, the insane one
shy raft
Zealot is an actual priest right
Nope, they are nobody basically, fanatics, No saying that they are priests.
cyan verge
yeah, which is kind of funny
shy raft
Just combination of imperial cultists
silver dragon
One of the psyker is a enforcer
Savant
cyan verge
the one that calls the flamer a 'roastie'
silver dragon
Ogryns and Veterans are Astra Militarum
Shame Dawn of War only lets you have 1 Ogryn squad
shy raft
Ogryn characters, espically bodyguard is pretty badass
cyan verge
I think the closest that like a zealot can be, is like, shrineguard? or a saint polisher? lol? that's like as close to a priest as they can be in their backstory, so they really are just weirdoes who love the emperor a little too much, they are zealots, fanatics
shy raft
indication that our bodyguard go doomguy on chaos cultists
silver dragon
I like BG's personality and Bully's voice
shy raft
I think the closest that like a zealot can be, is like, shrineguard? or a saint ...
No indication of those. Judge did gfo to a school, we don't know exactly. Other two are crackheads
cyan verge
no I mean here
shy raft
Ogryns are astra militarum shock troops, bodyguard being defying retreat order and killing all chaos cultists
covert fable
This game has so much lore
shy raft
no I mean here
Ah yeah, no reflection on dilagoues. Ogryns can go schole pregonium too on backgrounds lamo
and loose cannon being seeing everything, he/she fought chaos space marines, drukhai, genestealers and khorne cultist, from dialogues
cyan verge
yeah you see that's one of those things where it's like 50/50 is that true, maybe, is it just bullshit, maybe
I want to believe it because it's funny
shy raft
She describes a chaos space marines perfectly tho, same with khornates
professional fought alongside with imperial fist
cyan verge
that explains why professional is so boring...
silver dragon
He's boring cause he's professional
cyan verge
well I say that, at least not ultramarines
silver dragon
Cutthroat's edgy and Loose Cannon's quirky
silver dragon
well I say that, at least not ultramarines
That's something I don't get
Why's everyone hating on Ultra Smurfs?
cyan verge
matt ward
silver dragon
Are they like written as protagonists all the time?
cyan verge
for a few years they were like kinda defined as the 'premium' hero space marines and understandably a lot of people did not like that
it was written into the rulebooks for the tabletop game
which is where most lore comes from
silver dragon
Hey, I heard a lot of people didn't like the Blood Ravens either
cyan verge
like ooh every space marine looks up to roboute guilliman and the codex astartes
no I think most people were comfortable with the blood ravens for many years but when they started being like shoved into EVERYTHING (they are even in space marine 1 as a cameo) then it started to get old, it was like can we see other chapters pleeeaaaase
silver dragon
I wanted to see more of the Sisters of Battle personally
cyan verge
as do a lot of people!
silver dragon
If only so they can be put in their place
silver dragon
They're so annoying
All their personality is just burn things
But I think I'm in minority
I only saw them in Soulstorm
cyan verge
sisters of battle for years I think were just completely neglected by GW, so the people who really love them, their only appearance is soulstorm lol
soulstorm, which was not developed by relic
but instead, iron... helm studios or something, it was the titan quest devs
then immediately after soulstorm their studio closured lol
because they were struggling with money for some reason
which also explains why soulstorm is... uh... kinda janky, buggy, and very very haphazardly put together
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJMLfACod48 that's the game with this just... amazing speech
that sounds like it was made up in the recording booth while it was being recorded, like just improvised
cyan verge
to be fair he does like 50% of the voice roles in that game, I can give him a pass
it is EXTREMELY funny though
trim coral
anyone have a havoc smoke grenade build?
buoyant pewter
I run a knife/pwrsword+bolter version of Smoke Nade but definitely not Havoc viable for my skill level
Its effectively the usual Shredder setup just smokes instead
With some losses in nodes cause of crossing over for Survivalist.etc
And the swap speed at the top
tall torrent
shattering impact and fire frenzy for spearhead boltgun good?
for vet, puncture + pinning fire/surgical
for zealot, puncture/cavalcade + shattering impact
for arb, cavalcade + pinning fire
buoyant pewter
for vet, puncture + pinning fire/surgical
for zealot, puncture/cavalcade + shatt...
Wait, Pinning Fire?
Is that for the 2x stack to one shot Specials?
tall torrent
Wait, Pinning Fire?
Is that for the 2x stack to one shot Specials?
which class
buoyant pewter
Veteran
tall torrent
kinda yea
surgical scales better for havoc I think, if u do plan to bring a boltgun
cuz u would be changing perks
95% the time boltgun in havoc is to delete bosses above being good sniper
buoyant pewter
The magdump yeee
buoyant pewter
It's very fun!
covert fable
for vet, puncture + pinning fire/surgical
for zealot, puncture/cavalcade + shatt...
ill try pinning fire and puncture
hollow ibex
it just rips everythingg
Just don’t do it during the event
buoyant pewter
Armored Clown Car goes HONKHONK
hollow ibex
Doesn’t do shit against infested enemies
buoyant pewter
Auric Rotten has been wild with randoms XD
hollow ibex
Yeah it really has
Some people never worked on their melee fundamentals and it shows
sonic kayak
that sounds like it was made up in the recording booth while it was being record...
SPESS MEHRINS
buoyant pewter
Agreed, or even just...awareness. Like don't fight eight crushers and twelve maulers in a hallway alone....halfway across the map
sonic kayak
Reminder that those games influenced a whole generation of fans
buoyant pewter
SPESS MEHRINS
MEHTAL BAUXES
sonic kayak
METAL BAWKSES, SIIIIIIIIIIIIINDRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII, losing 100 baneblades
BROTHERS WE CALL THIS MANOUVRE STEEL RAIN
General Sturnn
The psyker Librarian from the first game
buoyant pewter
buoyant pewter
Bringing back so many memories
sonic kayak
All guardsmen! Follow me to glory!
Keep firing 'til they see the glow of our barrels!
faint beacon
Dawn of War Psyker was truly something else lmao
faint beacon
Can't forget
# WITNESS YOUR DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
cyan verge
was that like an audio bug? I remember there were just a few voice lines that played, CONSTANTLY
like any time the unit entered combat it'd just be like, that, over and over and over and over again
khorne berserkers did it too, they'd be like 'break their backs!' like 50 times a second
also, playing vet today with a weird build I am not familiar with, PS + helbore 4, like damn I am bad
I was playing ogryn all yesterday
sonic kayak
Someone call for an earthshaker?
cyan verge
so it's like oh I don't just have 300 health and 500 toughness and am immune to all damage
sonic kayak
Shatter their skies!
tbf each unit only had like 5 or 6 lines per "state", plus I think there was an option to use less dialogue? Something along those lines
cyan verge
interesting
yeah not a lot of dialogue cuz this was a game from like 2004 or whateve
also god damn it
covert fable
also god damn it
Isn't that good +3
shy raft
So, next rework is for zealot?
cyan verge
Isn't that good +3
no because it is a fake
covert fable
Wdym
cyan verge
if a +3 stamina curio has only 400 rating
it is a fake
it is really only +2
but it displays in the menu as +3
covert fable
😭
arctic rampart
does it get to +3 if you upgrade it?
covert fable
What that's so weird
late jungle
it has to be rating 410, or higher, to be +3
genius move by the devs
arctic rampart
normally I'd question such a thing being possible in a modern game. but it is obese tuna
I will just take you at your word LUL
arctic rampart
position in queue: 1 on login just now. what did they do
cyan verge
nothing as far as I know
tall torrent
So, next rework is for zealot?
perhaps
tall torrent
both
cyan verge
true...
serene bough
https://youtu.be/Vpmiq8sTH0k?si=9GcNgzfQzizXoULp
such wonderful VA work
cyan verge
it's probably a good thing that darktide didn't take cues from relic on what psykers sound like
cyan verge
yeah none of the 40k games released after made those kinds of references did they
I think DoW 2 has "drive me closer, I want to hit them with my sword" and some other silly lines that were put in as a meme, but nothing directly referencing those games
faint beacon
i really wish "witness your doom" was a line when using smite
“Sir, yes sir!” Is baked into my mind from the stock guard infantry
cyan verge
oh, yeah the guardsman squads
yeah some factions like imperial guards you kinda tend to have good reason to just stack a lot of guardsman lol
so you hear the like 5 lines they recorded a lot
honestly once I got to dark crusade I mostly played necrons and that's old necrons lore, so they mostly just say.... nothing
they're just like "..."
(I liked old necrons way better)
stoic thorn
11 barrels of hell
serene bough
We'll leave nothing standing
cyan verge
we mustn't forget, captain diomedes
who might be the angriest loudest voice actor I have ever heard in any video game
like you hear one clip right and it's like
oh, I guess he's pretty loud
but he talks in this voice in like every line of his dialogue lmao
covert fable
extended customization mod is so fun
cyan verge
I like it but I hate it too
I am pretty sure it's unstable and eats a lot of like lua memory or something
austere mica
This magic spell fixes that
cyan verge
honestly I wish, you know I might just ask for it, I wish there was a version that was nothing but sight mods, I don't care about any other features
oh
I should try that
austere mica
It also prevents normal out of ram crashes
cyan verge
you solve memory leaks by patching them, just adding more memory to the heap is like oblivion when the 32 bit release had a memory leak, and it simply couldn't be patched, so instead people just use the 4gb memory address patch to add more utilized RAM to allow oblivion to run longer, before it crashes
and I assume this is the same thing
tall torrent
This magic spell fixes that
what if I want 2 launch commands active at the same time
cyan verge
you just add it on to the end right, it's just a flag
austere mica
what if I want 2 launch commands active at the same time
What's the other one
cyan verge
my launch commands right now are a mess
PROTON_HIDE_NVIDIA_GPU=0 PROTON_ENABLE_NVAPI=1 __NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia __GL_SHADER_DISK_CACHE_SKIP_CLEANUP=0 LD_PRELOAD="" %command% --lua-heap-mb-size 2048
tall torrent
What's the other one
what if I want to force dx11 to make game have better performance
covert fable
It also prevents normal out of ram crashes
what is that?
austere mica
The launch option or an out of ram crash
cyan verge
what if I want to force dx11 to make game have better performance
what is the launch command for that, tell me please
covert fable
out of ram crash
tall torrent
what if I want to force dx11 to make game have better performance
tho I'm not sure if this works proper for me since I play on linux
austere mica
out of ram crash
A crash that occurs when the game runs out of ram
cyan verge
oh, yeah you might get better performance on linux, or should through DX12 with DXVK
but idk
it's possible that if you run the DX11 build it has less features and thus runs faster because of it
tall torrent
what is the launch command for that, tell me please
-d3d11
cyan verge
the reason is DX12 > DXVK > Vulkan calls is much more efficient than translating from DX11
since DX12 and vulkan are more similar
cyan verge
ima try it right now
tall torrent
idk if DT's sharpening slider works properly if DLSS is on
I can't even tell if it does anything
covert fable
A crash that occurs when the game runs out of ram
what
cyan verge
oh, yeah I don't even use DLSS, I think I was getting crashing while using it
austere mica
Yes
austere mica
I don't think thats even possible on most motherboards
cyan verge
I have 64GB RAM
I think 128GB cap is like, fairly reasonable on most modern mid-range motherboards
austere mica
I have 64GB RAM
Then why the hell are you worried about a memory leak
cyan verge
the lua memory heap
it has a cap basically that is significantly lower
mods are all in lua
tall torrent
I wish someone made a mod that made DT low polygon & retro
I'd prob run that for pure fps
cyan verge
-d3d11
from what I can tell -dx11 flag does nothing, if it ever did, it does nothing now
it doesn't hurt though, like it won't stop the game running, so I mean if you want to keep using it you would just do,
%command% -d3d11 --lua-heap-mb-size 2048
in steam's launch options
tall torrent
from what I can tell -dx11 flag does nothing, if it ever did, it does nothing no...
dx11 forced usually results in better frametime stability
if u care abt that
cyan verge
yeah but like, darktide does not support directX 11
so it probably doesn't actually do anything even if you try to force it, it doesn't have the option to do it
tall torrent
yeah but like, darktide does not support directX 11
can be forced, I think?
idk
I'm sticking to linux for now so a lot of this ultimately is just vulkan lol
cyan verge
yeah me too
tall torrent
u on linux too?
cyan verge
endeavourOS
cyan verge
oh yeah I heard good things about that one
I got recommended endeavour and I love it, arch is my favourite now
tall torrent
oh yeah I heard good things about that one
it's pretty sleek
covert fable
would it be a bad idea to build my combat knife around bleed
cyan verge
don't people usually just take... that one... bleed blessing
fleshtearer or something
covert fable
idk
right now im running uncanny and ripost
i was thinking of a funny bleed build
tall torrent
would it be a bad idea to build my combat knife around bleed
playable
tho not recommended for beginners
covert fable
and my double barrel 😎
covert fable
zealot has bleed talents right
not sure
covert fable
playable
what about flesh tearer + riposte
or would u go with double bleed blessings
covert fable
oh
tranquil ledge
Is marksman’s focus better or focus target?
And if marksman’s focus is better, what does Ranged Finess strength do?
covert fable
whats mercy killer
austere mica
Knife blessing that exists as a sidegrade to Precog exclusively if you have serrated
tall torrent
what about flesh tearer + riposte
if u want to run any bleed blessing uncanny basically required
tall torrent
And its 1 stack
2 stacks
austere mica
Did they buff scourge?
austere mica
Damn
cyan verge
bro be bleedin
tame lodge
covert fable
who needs dueling sword
tranquil ledge
Nvm marksman’s focus is way better
arctic rampart
Is marksman’s focus better or focus target?
And if marksman’s focus is better,...
focus target is generally better, unless there's another vet using focus target or you suck balls at marking targets. if you mark 3 targets the entire map then anything would be better than that, including minor talents.
the people that like marksman focus more are generally the really experienced players having fun with burst.
cyan verge
yeah or you could just take weapon specialist instead and then be actually decent in melee
arctic rampart
weapon specialist is really fun to use. its addicting to try to proc melee/ranged efficiently
covert fable
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f8ed5a1-ff86-4df0-bd2d-79db109f0895 thoughts on this build? its been working rlly well so far
yes i enjoy krak
i dont think i need that 5% crit skill
cyan verge
drop crit go for fully loaded question mark?
arctic rampart
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f8ed5a1-ff86-4df0-bd2d-79db10...
superiority complex over bring it down & 25 toughness is my first thought on that
covert fable
drop crit go for fully loaded question mark?
good idea
arctic rampart
drop 5% crit and take always prepared for shotgun?
u should expirement with out for blood instead of confirmed kill see which one you like more
cyan verge
always prepared could be funny but idk if it's that useful, I assume the double barrel reloads pretty quick
covert fable
superiority complex over bring it down & 25 toughness is my first thought on tha...
where is superiority complex?
covert fable
which row 😭
arctic rampart
bottom left by 30% weak spot
arctic rampart
honestly I dunno enough about knife & shotgun to know breakpoints btu the guide has key talent points for each weapon
covert fable
idk how the math works
arctic rampart
Bring it Down!
Reciprocity
Desperado
Trench Fighter Drill
Melee DMG Boost
Stamina Regen Boost
Serrated Blade (Mercy Killer) ```
cyan verge
I think the idea is you need specific talents with specific blessing + perk combos to reach breakpoints that let you kill certain enemy types in as few shots as possible
arctic rampart
Looks like the guide says swap maniac => carapace, and the rest as listed
arctic rampart
yeah @tall torrent is a beast
tranquil ledge
yeah or you could just take weapon specialist instead and then be actually decen...
I used to use that
tall torrent
this guide is so nicee
wait till u see the steam ver
narrow frost
men
covert fable
^
serene bough
Nvm marksman’s focus is way better
very weapon dependent
and its honestly for niche selections
tranquil ledge
Okay
pale sleet
what is a good melee weapon for a veteram player who slashes blindly
spark helm
The cadia xiig chainsword with shred and wrath is pretty decent.
You just hit left click the majority of the time.
hollow ibex
There’s a lot of lmb spam weapons
Prob the most effective is Rashad
It’s pretty braindead but requires trench fighter
pale sleet
What is good for level 13
hollow ibex
Whatever the fuck you want 
little path
smoke stealth vet
hollow ibex
None of it matters until you’re 30 and playing higher difficulties
little path
^
hollow ibex
smoke stealth vet <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
I don’t think he has access to stealth yet
little path
smoke vet
covert fable
Sicario vet (payday 2 reference)
tame lodge
None of it matters until you’re 30 and playing higher difficulties
None of that matters
red fox
Whats the difference between marks in hellbores
covert fable
One smells more than the other prob
calm shard
the people that like marksman focus more are generally the really experienced pl...
MMF is about sustain not burst
It gets you up to better than FT damage (depending on the weapon) and keeps you there provided you click the bad men in the face
red fox
One smells more than the other prob
I thought so
red fox
Slow, less slow, even less slow
Thanks thanks
shy atlas
hello guys, does anyone know what the best perks are for standard shovel?
hollow ibex
hello guys, does anyone know what the best perks are for standard shovel?
Check HOTE guide in the pins
tall torrent
hello guys, does anyone know what the best perks are for standard shovel?
maniac, flak, carapace
shy atlas
maniac, flak, carapace
Thanks 
barren cave
Which perks though
long dove
Anyone else having a pain of a time doing the event?
hollow ibex
Which perks though
Maniac and carapace or elite
hollow ibex
These good Plasma Gun stats?
@tired egret
obtuse finch
<@658630856222572547>
I don't play on anything above Damnation, so I don't need optimal stats, just pretty good
hollow ibex
I don't play on anything above Damnation, so I don't need *optimal* stats, just ...
That’ll work
It’s prob not worth dumping millions into plasma when the weapon will likely be reworked anyways
obtuse finch
It’s prob not worth dumping millions into plasma when the weapon will likely be ...
True.
I only play on Auric with my inf toughness oggy, so Damnation it is for vet, zel, and zappy
shy atlas
is there a definite meta for the plasma gun?
ive seen a few variations on what dump stat is
or just in between
hollow ibex
is there a definite meta for the plasma gun?
For dump stats yeah
For blessings and perks it depends
tame lodge
@tired egret
shy atlas
<@658630856222572547>
😭
shy atlas
thx
tame lodge
You might not even have the dockets for it
hollow ibex
2.5m and I still don’t have a perfect plasma
serene bough
i stopped rolling for perfect plasma after 1w of trying
esp considering theyre going to nerf soon i wouldnt bother
hollow ibex
Soon in fatshart time prob means months from now tbf
serene bough
true but knowing my luck i'd probably get the perfect roll 1 day before the nerf if i tried for it now lol
cyan verge
wait they're planning to nerf plasma??? why??????
in prep for like amping up the vet talent tree with a rework I could understand, but
hearty panther
more like a soft rework
marble mantle
2.5m and I still don’t have a perfect plasma
I remember I got it perfect like first intentional pull
hollow ibex
marble mantle
Maybe I should play vet more because of that
marble mantle
https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-g...
He does not seem happy for me. Again.
Imagine they flip it on its head and the stats are totally different
little path
wait they're planning to nerf plasma??? why??????
The want to fix how the current plasma's ideal stats are weird and how uncharged shots are significantly better than charged shots
It would be cool to see instead of a full on "Only charged is good now"
cyan verge
ugh
little path
to instead have blessings that lean into either
cyan verge
there's no good way to balance it imo
little path
but either way rn the ammo efficiency for damage leans into uncharged being best
cyan verge
either way we're gonna be like oh you have to do charged shots now, or, oh nothing changes just keep tap firing
marble mantle
Honestly it would be cool to see more guns have specific stat requirements. Not less. Dump stats are boring if you ask me.
cyan verge
it's gonna be one or the other right
yeah, I disagree on that just because dump stats are already way too confusing for new players
little path
Honestly it would be cool to see more guns have specific stat requirements. Not ...
yeaaaah but also trying to get an ideal one is a pain in the ass
hollow ibex
Honestly an interesting way to balance it might be a relatively fast firing high cleave gun using uncharged shots vs a slower firing gun using charged shots to wreck big elite hordes
And you can spec one way or another
With blessings
marble mantle
yeaaaah but also trying to get an ideal one is a pain in the ass
I hear that but like, aren’t you tired of seeing that 60 mobility or 60 defense
tall torrent
it's gonna be one or the other right
no
little path
I hear that but like, aren’t you tired of seeing that 60 mobility or 60 defense
not really
marble mantle
Just feels kinda drab to me
little path
I understand that it's on the boring side
tall torrent
hipfire vs human enemies
charged vs ogryn enemies
basically
marble mantle
Otherwise I’ve no complaints really in the manufacturing department
little path
but I also would never want to have to keep checking a document over and over for the ideal stats of every weapon
marble mantle
but I also would never want to have to keep checking a document over and over fo...
Fair nuff
cyan verge
I think perfecting your weapons shouldn't be complicated, I am happy with it now which is like you just stock the right dump stat weapon and move on with your life until you want to use it or need it and then you raise it and use it
it helps everyone too
new players don't have to do math or make a spreadsheet to figure out what weapons they have and weapons they are missing
and old players don't have to gamble on every weapon until they get a perfect one
cyan verge
hipfire vs human enemies
charged vs ogryn enemies
basically
I would be okay with that if they could make both valuable in that way, but we'll see how it goes
marble mantle
Yk what
I still think vet has the best cosmetics.
little path
probably
cyan verge
it probably does, it has a fair amount of variety
little path
maybe tied with psyker
marble mantle
maybe tied with psyker
I could do without like 90% of the collars for Psyker.
But I guess that’s part of it
So if you like that…
So I’ve got a voc focus target build, can anyone shoot me an exe stance FT build?
gilded wraith
Wish we had a little curio diversity in the game. 2x17٪ toughness just seems to be the default for every class.
gilded wraith
Forgot about marty, they are an exception to the rule.
serene bough
there's no good way to balance it imo
well it does need to be tuned a bit
because there's no reason to use the alt fire currently
hollow ibex
Forgot about marty, they are an exception to the rule.
This is why Marty is based
south spindle
Making the charged/uncharged shots cost the same would be a start, that way the charged shot has relevance against Ogryns, however the cleave and damage has to come down a bit
long dove
Is plasma good to use against bossm
serene bough
not recommended to waste ammo on monstrosities
tame lodge
Is plasma good to use against bossm
Not really
serene bough
it'll do damage but its expensive to waste ammo on
tame lodge
You can build for it but still not really
serene bough
you ought to go for bolter if you wanna kill monstrosities fast
long dove
I ask in situations where it needs to die kinda thing
serene bough
still wouldnt recommend
long dove
Well I guess in just dead theb
serene bough
main benefit of plasma is it's massive cleave lets it punch through hordes and enemies to kill high priority threats like bombers and what not
it doesnt make much sense to waste it on monstrosities just use your melee weapon
tall torrent
I ask in situations where it needs to die kinda thing
yea just melee
barren cave
Any tips on doing the don't take melee dmg penance
tame lodge
Gold toughness might help
cyan verge
... do you mean DIED?
barren cave
Mhm
cyan verge
possibly not idr
barren cave
Gold toughness is good ig
cyan verge
I think it might be possible that it does not count against you, but, if you did get hit by a plague ogryn he might have chipped your HP, so eh
barren cave
I was trying it with infil
cyan verge
yeah that's not what you do
you get a good wide open map like consignment yard and then you play like a coward with a GOOD melee that can push and keep enemies off you
then you use voice of command to keep your gold toughness up selfishly
cyan verge
that's what your gun is for
hopefully you picked a good gun that can just shoot everything that causes issues
although if you're dealing with bosses just don't even approach let your dumb team fight it
marble mantle
you get a good wide open map like consignment yard and then you play like a cowa...
So shovel 😎 clonk clonk clonk
barren cave
What's a good melee weapon for it
cyan verge
rashad combat axe
just make sure you don't have a stupid build that has focus target or marksman thing
late jungle
Any tips on doing the don't take melee dmg penance
i highkey just got this one randomly
i wasnt even trying not to get hit it just kinda happened
barren cave
No I guess I'll take shout and ws
late jungle
also whats wrong with focus target ..
tall torrent
Any tips on doing the don't take melee dmg penance
u need help?
tall torrent
You got a fs number
9557185861
cyan verge
ah, yeah that's the other classic way to do it
hard to do in a lobby with randoms tho cuz inevitably someone will rez you even if you say please don't
tall torrent
You got a fs number
resend inv
barren cave
Ok
frank basin
“HANNNK HANNk, GET THE SWEET AND SOUR NOT BBQ, HAAAANK”
barren cave
He just finished slaughtering a plogryn
frank basin
Is he using power sword?
frank basin
Thought he’s veteran
He’s a turbonerd on vet stuff
Seeing him play zealot is something else
barren cave
Yeah but ig he wanted to speedrun on zealot
barren cave
LOL
plush kernel
🚂
tall torrent
np
tall torrent
Yeah but ig he wanted to speedrun on zealot
am super rusty on zealot
cyan verge
is zealot the speediest class
tame lodge
am super rusty on zealot
Path the type to paint the Monalisa and type rkgk
cyan verge
I guess it must be
can't think of anyone else who gets all those movespeed bonuses
and the long dash
tame lodge
is zealot the speediest class
Consistently? Yeah
But psyker hits the cap
cyan verge
wait really
tame lodge
Psyker does go zoom
tame lodge
Mettle + DD + Scriers + subnode
cyan verge
oh, I see, huh
oh and combat knife for go fast
so wait what is the cap on movespeed
is it something lame like +30%
by the way something I've been wondering, I assume they don't, auras don't stack right
so if you have four vets all with close and kill you don't get +20% movespeed do you
tame lodge
I don't remember the exact value
cyan verge
I have NO IDEA I just know when you hold it down you go zoom
tame lodge
Mettle is 5% but can stack 3 times
Gaze has 20%
There's a sub node somewhere that is 5%
DD is another 20
tame lodge
There's a sub node somewhere that is 5%
Found it, right above True Aim
tall torrent
is zealot the speediest class
no, arb
cyan verge
oh, right, of course, what was I thinking
it's arbitrator
is there anything arbites CAN'T do
tall torrent
if u take all 4 move speed related talents
u can run incredibly fast
tho
I think the absolute fastest
is psyker with knife + all buffs up
tame lodge
is there anything arbites CAN'T do
cough cough one shot cough cough
cyan verge
you know I thought the arbites grenade was like really good at first, and it's okay, but it does kinda lack AOE damage when tackling multiple specials.
wait what the heck
tall torrent
wait what the heck
ya
cyan verge
this seems... well, it will save you from a crusher or mauler but
still, wow
they thought this was okay???
barren cave
Nice I managed to get the ammo penance done in one try too
tropic notch
wait what the heck
Behold pox burster res
barren cave
All that's left is getting the crit weakspot ws one and the krak one
cyan verge
lol
barren cave
Krak one is taking ages
cyan verge
oh the krak one takes for ever
it does basically boil down to throwing about, let's be generous and say, 400 grenades
barren cave
The event being around is helping
tropic notch
If you’re not using a blunt weapon you can skip the cleave talents
tame lodge
wait what the heck
It's also like
On a far away corner
And if you play well you won't be getting overheaded any time soon
cyan verge
do not stop, DO NOT STOP, if you stop now you'll miss out on the easy grind!!!!!!
barren cave
The weapon specialist swap one is harder though, gotta get weakspot hits
cyan verge
you have to run the event right now for 15 consecutive hours!!!!!!!
cyan verge
It's also like
On a far away corner
And if you play well you won't be getting ...
it is but it's right next to drive them back which owns
and you ARE already taking hold the line so it's not much of a point tax
this would be good to take yeah if you were like new to the game
you could argue ohhh crutch crutch but eh it'd probably help
barren cave
Is this plasma gun any good, I have this and one with charge rate fully dumped
cyan verge
um
I think that's like, OK
the thermal resist is slightly above where it should be so it's fine
it's not perfect but it's pretty good considering that's probably a mission reward right
barren cave
Ye
barren cave
I got it from the ammo penance mission too
cyan verge
oh that is weird
barren cave
I'm assuming that one is better than the one with charge rate fully dumped
tall torrent
oh, what does that do for the corruption damage
same value
tame lodge
Yeah that's like
Zealots whole thing
Unless you're martyrdom pilled
Like me
(don't look at my Bloodthirsty Evis15)
cyan verge
you know with rebreather and true grit and some of these other very targeted talents I wonder if they put these in just so you can like go ohhh well my NEXT mission is pox gas let me just put on rebreather
tropic notch
don't you want to crit?
Yeah but I wanted to use thammer
cyan verge
oh fair
tall torrent
They should give Bloodthirsty to hammer
they should make thunder hammer actually good
vast rain
Hi everyone, hope yall are well, sorry if this is the wrong place to ask but im kinda new and not understanding the mechanics all that well - Im trying the on overwatch penance, and im not sure what damage means. Does it include toughness damage, or just health? And are there attacks that go through toughness? Sometimes I feel like I have max + extra from the shout and then suddenly half my health disappears without my shields going away
tall torrent
Hi everyone, hope yall are well, sorry if this is the wrong place to ask but im ...
no health dmg taken from melee attacks
do u need help
I can help u speedrun it
vast rain
do u need help
Maybe, ive been trying this for a while and no luck
Im kinda bad at the game though
tall torrent
Maybe, ive been trying this for a while and no luck
it's ez
u jump off the map at start
I speedrun solo
FS code 9557185861, send me an inv
vast rain
well heck, if youve got the time, ill boot it up and invite you, thank you!
tall torrent
I can do 1
frigid shuttle
What's the specialization?
Bonking 1 tap bosses?
when in a competent team, bosses melt so fast already 
cyan verge
it's very funny when you're in like a real team and everyone is all trying to be the one to kill the most enemies
it's not like oh shit I need to survive, no it's like ooh a boss, allow ME to KILL him
speaking of
I think yeah we need to graduate 'heresy players' up to damnation
I have had nothing but terrible results in damnation this past week but auric is still fine
so I think the heresy players, they've gotten good enough they can play damnation now
but they're dragging everyone down, in damnation
late jungle
I think yeah we need to graduate 'heresy players' up to damnation
my damnation players have been fine ..
i mean i still hard carry but like
they dont drag me down like they do in heresy
cyan verge
maybe just my servers
stiff glacier
4 wound veterans getting lost in auric lobbies
unreal nova
by comparison I can't even find anyone in heresy
I find ppl in US W, US E and EU.
Different times though.
tropic notch
4 wound veterans getting lost in auric lobbies
i found the wound vet
unreal nova
I am australia so
I'm playing with ping lag to find ppl.
steep flower
i found the wound vet
What in tarnation is that dmg taken hyperbruh 
unreal nova
What in tarnation is that dmg taken hyperbruh <:staregryn:1022085083844325376> <...
I manage to until death less damage than that... just how?
late jungle
i found the wound vet
what were u even using on this one..
tropic notch
what were u even using on this one..
Tac axe zealot
frigid shuttle
were the others dead or joined late or how is that possible?
stiff glacier
They should have given martydom to vet smh
stiff glacier
Man that scoreboard is annoying to figure out
steep flower
I manage to until death less damage than that... just how?
You’re good thats why; you just were unfortunate to be born in singapur and have bad ping
unreal nova
You’re good thats why; you just were unfortunate to be born in singapur and have...
Still, I have 55 toughness and 245 hp.
late jungle
Tac axe zealot
tac axe 🤑
frigid shuttle
I should give it a shot, though I'll probably hate it.
tropic notch
Another win for the tac axe cult
vivid silo
Taking that amount of damage in only 38 minutes is somewhat impressive, especially considering 3 people are doing it. They are literally taking more than 1 damage per second throughout the mission, and more-so in practice due to being dead
I'm getting "My face to your foot-style" vibes
im bleeding, making me the victor
empty tapir
Is the "Find your tragets" penance capped? I only ever seem to get 1 per mission
unreal nova
Taking that amount of damage in only 38 minutes is somewhat impressive, especial...
To be fair, zealots can do it during until death alot.
vivid silo
Aye that's true. Still pretty high numbers for such a "short" run
late jungle
my damnation players have been fine ..
nevermind .
frigid shuttle
Taking that amount of damage in only 38 minutes is somewhat impressive, especial...
does board count downed hp?
because then it's like 2 downs each?
frank basin
Was kinda looking for this pistol.
Stub revolver
Unless you mod with weapon customization
marsh condor
Stub revolver
I mean the cosmetics
frank basin
Make it look like that
marsh condor
I really want a bigger ol' iron to fanfire.
marsh condor
My only problem with the mod cosmetic is just my skill issue.
I remembered trying to download a different mod, and I had to restart the whole thing.
tame berry
you just gain ammo ?
faint beacon
Las weapons tend to fire let’s say like 4 bullets in the mag for 1 shot
That blessing literally will just make you fire 3 instead
vivid silo
because then it's like 2 downs each?
Almost positive it doesn't count downed HP
faint beacon
It’s not that great
tranquil ledge
I’m using the auto gun, what blessings should I put on it?
faint beacon
I’m using the auto gun, what blessings should I put on it?
Infantry, Braced, or Vigilant Autogun?
tranquil ledge
Infantry
pallid jetty
specifying is for min-maxing nerds
faint beacon
What mark exactly cause its going to be DumDum no matter what with another blessing depending on the mark
tranquil ledge
What mark exactly cause its going to be DumDum no matter what with another bless...
Alright I’ll do DumDum and Raking Fire to deal with bulwarks
pallid jetty
are you talking about the blessing that give more damage to back?
faint beacon
yeah thats raking
pallid jetty
i see