braced is ok still
#veteran-class
orchid hemlock
They suck in havoc but they actually have good cleave in regular game modes
calm shard
you know what ELSE has good cleave?
orchid hemlock
Ur mom? 🤔
calm shard
the Mk XIV recon lasgun
orchid hemlock
Gotwm
calm shard
the BAD ONE
orchid hemlock
Sure but braced has the insane suppression and CC
Meaning it is also useful of actually stopping gunners you cleave thru, or open Bullwalks
strange pollen
Alright, thanks guys!
tall torrent
Sure but braced has the insane suppression and CC
Meaning it is also useful of...
have u actually tested opening buwarks with braced autogun
also @orchid hemlock I finished all vet-accessible melee weapons last night
orchid hemlock
have u actually tested opening buwarks with braced autogun
Yes I hit their little toes and they get ticklish 
tall torrent
also <@717361443564945468> I finished all vet-accessible melee weapons last nigh...
next part will be curios
then enemy breakdown
tall torrent
the biggest section is done
orchid hemlock
Enormous
void dragon
Wow we getting it by 2027 <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
Wait is this true? path is defeating ObeseFish in the race to the Veteran rework?
orchid hemlock
Wait is this true? path is defeating ObeseFish in the race to the Veteran rework...
Yes
void dragon
Cor
stray storm
forest turret
Do you recommend changing the gray to the gold? It's better for statistics.
sonic kayak
Do you recommend changing the gray to the gold? It's better for statistics.
Ideal dumpstat is Collateral or Mobility, so gold I guess
That's a good split between both
forest turret
So I'm staying with the golden one?
Is stability important? Because I plan to level up the gray, but I don't know if stability is very important.
late jungle
Is stability important? Because I plan to level up the gray, but I don't know if...
with the spearhead boltgun you typically want collateral to be your lowest stat
cinder summit
Any advice for Killshot Ready? At 1100/2500 right now
tame lodge
Which one is that again?
Kills under marksman focus?
Just crouch and melee/spam grenades
calm shard
or use the Mk XIV recon las since it has cleave
and can actually shoot through hordes
or do both of these things as the situation demands
faint beacon
with the spearhead boltgun you typically want collateral to be your lowest stat
Do not dump that on Veteran, Zealot is the only exception mainly cause it helps with bulwark shields
Mobility is the dump on Vet
cobalt bear
does "make every shot count" count all pellets of a shotgun as well?
talking about the penance ^^
tame lodge
It doesn't count all of them
You just need to have one pellet hit the target
And yes
Double Barrel is a good pick for it
cobalt bear
perfect, so i just suck at aiming 
tame lodge
You can always pick ammo if needed
cinder summit
It works with melee? Alright, that makes it easier. It just takes forever I guess
tame lodge
Yeah it's any kills while having 10 or more MMF stacks
calm shard
It works with melee? Alright, that makes it easier. It just takes forever I gues...
yeah because it's 2500 kills xd
On a good game I get like 5-600 in auric
But you can easily see a game where you only get half that if the AI director chills out
Or you just have that rare game where your teammates aren't eating the paint chips off the walls
calm shard
yeah it's a love hate relationship with that ability
on the one hand absurd damage and easy highlighting of every gunner/specialist for you to kill
on the other hand oh my god how does the game always have one singular poxwalker glued to my back
soft trellis
on the one hand absurd damage and easy highlighting of every gunner/specialist f...
And the mortis trial upgrade makes your gun have infinite ammo!
steel veldt
on the one hand absurd damage and easy highlighting of every gunner/specialist f...
It doesn't even seem that much damage outside of gunners
then again I am using a 350 power laspistol
tall torrent
It doesn't even seem that much damage outside of gunners
It is a lot of extra damage
steel veldt
I'll try it some more, I'll just spam it
soft trellis
It is a lot of extra damage
Just how much bonus damage? I am not a fan of executioner stance on Vet myself
I never looked
tall torrent
Just how much bonus damage? I am not a fan of executioner stance on Vet myself
25% ranged damage
25% weakspot damage for ranged attack
soft trellis
25% ranged damage
25% weakspot damage for ranged attack
Oh, that is a lot since highlighted kills refresh the duration right?
normal bay
Felt like a big increase on the bolter
Which is just about the only thing I use it for lol
soft trellis
I haven't used it since we got the talent trees
calm shard
Oh, that is a lot since highlighted kills refresh the duration right?
yes it's also just a lot of damage in general
soft trellis
I knew it was good, I just don't vibe very well with it
Even infiltrate looks more tempting after the shout
It's like oggy's gunlugger one, but, I don't have the safety of being an oggy
soft trellis
And the funny exe stance revolver build
I remember seeing epic_cole go full auto with the agripinaa version in the mortis trials
cobalt bear
got it on first try with double barrel, thanks lad ^^
normal bay
It doesn't feel too great when you don't have time and space to work
calm shard
exe stance ain't so bad
It's outright good if you have that honestly
soft trellis
exe stance ain't so bad
There in lies the issue. Randos don't do shit lol
steel veldt
you don't have an escape tho
like we just got swarmed I insta die because there's no VoC or Infiltrate to get out lol
becuase I am a Vet, my melee skills are not so good
one guy goes down with 5 maulers on him, what do I do?
I can't pop VoC or Infiltrate and get him up
sonic kayak
No no, they're good, just no speed if you're not using Trench Fighter
Bring It Down, Superiority Complex, that other 30% damage node, that effects everything, not only ranged
steel veldt
fair
soft trellis
It's just Vet is deceptively squishy
Yeah, if you aren't careful you can go from full HP and toughness to half HP or worse... Especially if you get hitstunned right as several other melee hits were about to land...
normal bay
Vet seems tougher than it is because of iron will
As soon as you lose that, it goes downhill fast
soft trellis
As soon as you lose that, it goes downhill fast
Yeah, and having no easy means of hitstun immunity like arby/oggy/zealot can make it spiral straight downwards x.x
normal bay
this might explain it
Making sure you're killing those dogs, huh
soft trellis
this might explain it
Hm... that might make it be a bit less effective... you know... against flak/maniac/unyielding
also infested lol
sudden cedar
I am looking at this Laspistol...and i ask myself what is wrong with it.
buoyant pewter
Vet seems tougher than it is because of iron will
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
It's the only thing that seems to keep vet from imploding in most fights
buoyant pewter
this might explain it
I don't see a problem here other than my own preference for crit-fishing really. Maybe a better roll for higher stopping power.
soft trellis
It's the only thing that seems to keep vet from imploding in most fights
Well... that and you know... taking your melee weapon out when enemies are nearby <_<'
buoyant pewter
Well... that and you know... taking your melee weapon out when enemies are nearb...
Yeah, anything other than Knife or DS feels rough with that.
or Claw
sudden cedar
Veterans in Melee Combat? Iam sorry.. that is just heresy..
soft trellis
Yeah, anything other than Knife or DS feels rough with that.
Even the knife will do something to get them a bit off of you x.x
buoyant pewter
Even the knife will do something to get them a bit off of you x.x
Oh yeah ofcourse, also the added mobility can allow some push-slide shenanigans to wiggle out of bad spots
BUT still
Feels too squish if you get past that upper DR from IW
hollow ibex
It's the only thing that seems to keep vet from imploding in most fights
And the sources of toughness regen suck
signal garden
Well that's because TGH regeneration sucks
TGH generation not bad
But still not good
I imagine the real issue is vet relying on high TGH to be tanky
And you have havocs which discourage it
bleak oasis
Any practical difference running with a DS instead of a knife and vice-versa?
steel veldt
using laspistol without autofire mod is carpal tunnel simulator lol
tame lodge
Any practical difference running with a DS instead of a knife and vice-versa?
Knife higher mobility
DS higher damage
bleak oasis
But both are relatively safe compared to other melee options vet has, ye?
tame lodge
Yes and no
They can't do hordes
buoyant pewter
Yeah, they can't go into hordes well at all
They're great for target picking and mobility
simple cobalt
Shock Maul mk3 + Plasma has been my jam for a while now as a Weapons Specialist, and I dump ammo on plasma (difference is 10 uncharged shots). Honestly recommend a lot. The shocker attack is so satisfying, especially versus bulwarks and lieutenants.
cyan verge
where's path
who knows about autoguns
I am considering playing with the agri IAG but I have a feeling there'll be no real reason to use it over the vraks
steel veldt
I shoved a burster into the wall, dodged back, got one shot, okay lol
faint beacon
I am considering playing with the agri IAG but I have a feeling there'll be no r...
Bingo
There is no reason
Cause the Vraks outdoes it in every way
cyan verge
get well soon columnus iag
I actually used that one a lot while levelling vet, in like malice/heresy, it was fine
just did not know any better
orchid hemlock
U like Agripina IAG
I like Agripina Combat Shotgun
We are not the same
steel veldt
I like how I run infiltrate on Vet then die because I am too scared to pop it
hybrid plover
Veterans in Melee Combat? Iam sorry.. that is just heresy..
Why are we still thinking vet isn't capable in melee though
last marten
😌
hybrid plover
Yes and no
They can't do hordes
Knife can do hordes. It just isn't the very best at it. Dueling sword is the one that really suffers at horde clear.
tame lodge
Knife can do hordes. It just isn't the very best at it. Dueling sword is the one...
"Everything can do everything"
hybrid plover
Truuu
steel veldt
poxburster went on me while I was in stealth and killed me what lmao
hybrid plover
But honestly knife is not a bad horde clear weapon.
steel veldt
do poxburster have the 6th sense?
hybrid plover
poxburster went on me while I was in stealth and killed me what lmao
If they were targeting you before and you stealth a moment before they lunge, their tracking will still get you.
steel veldt
I'll say that means they have the 6th sense
hybrid plover
Essentially. Also it is not a good idea at all to do that to begin with.
You will get your teammates killed that way.
steel veldt
Oh no I didn't even see the poxburster
it was behind me while we were fighting a Nurgle beast
I was retreating to shoot it
steep flower
But honestly knife is not a bad horde clear weapon.
Horde clear is nice
Horde management is dogshit
buoyant pewter
U like Agripina IAG
I like Agripina Combat Shotgun
We are not the same <:cha...
My fav Combat shotgun and my most used ranged weapon xD
hybrid plover
Horde clear is nice
Horde management is dogshit
Yep. It kills. But you need space to manage the horde more than other weapons, especially with the lower stamina stat.
jovial wagon
I think the oly weapon I've used that's bad at horde clear gotta be the DS
when I use DS I bring a gun with good suppression to deal with hordes
like the bag or iag
or the boltgun
umbral scaffold
Yes and no
They can't do hordes
Y'all getting some sus takes while I'm not looking 
hollow ibex
It’s because he sucks at knife
hybrid plover
Yeah. Lacerate is good general blessing for horde clear. If you wanna be fancy, executor with heavy block cancel is also great.
But you wanna be tall to really maximize executor
hybrid plover
Lacerate is good, believe it or not.
umbral scaffold
L*cerate
hybrid plover
Flesh Tearer doesn't have as much uptime on Vet in practice.
Unless you're perpetually at max crit from dodging.
Which, doesn't always happen.
And it's really, really easy to keep uncanny up.
On Fury zealot, flesh Tearer is 100% the better choice because you have way more uptime on crit chance.
Plus, vet has so much innate weakspot damage that in a lot of cases, you don't need bleed to proc on a weakspot hit.
tropic notch
I hope they buff his crit chance
hybrid plover
His potential crit chance is fine. Thing is youre not always going to be reaching that potential. And that's why flesh Tearer can fall flat sometimes.
tropic notch
His potential crit chance is fine. Thing is youre not always going to be reachin...
It can also proc from multiple sources
hybrid plover
It can also proc from multiple sources
True. But you still have to proc it.
Sometimes, that just isn't going to happen consistently.
While Lacerate, sometimes you might whiff weakspots anyway so it's a lot more forgiving too.
steel veldt
I am the Emperor's rightiest guardsman
I am the Emperor's weakest believer.
(until death + holy revenant)
umbral scaffold
The thing with lacerate is that its effectiveness is tied to how bad the player is at clicking heads with a weapon made for that
steel veldt
Also holy shit shock trooper is op
at least with laspistol
I wonder if laspistol is even viable to take on Zealot just because of shock trooper being Vet only
umbral scaffold
It's goated with the slow helbore too
tame lodge
Lacerate propaganda
umbral scaffold
Oh, quite
tame lodge
💀
umbral scaffold
Laspistol is one of those funny finesse weapons, and zealot can get crit by the bulk
It still encourages headshots, but you get some good mileage from the crits alone
tame lodge
Y'all getting some sus takes while I'm not looking <:susgryn:1042377462295830589...
Hey
You know exactly what I mean by they can't hordes
umbral scaffold
tame lodge
hybrid plover
The thing with lacerate is that its effectiveness is tied to how bad the player ...
Not really. Because you still do crazy weak spot damage. The point of lacerate is to be a buffer in those situations where it isn't entirely ideal to go for weak spots
For one. Have you ever tried consistently hitting a weak spot on a chaos spawn pummeling you???
It doesn't really work out a lot of the time.
umbral scaffold
That's where riposte comes in
hybrid plover
Why would you use riposte
umbral scaffold
Because it's a finesse weapon
hybrid plover
But then you lose out on uncanny. The primary thing that makes bleed actually good for multiple purposes.
umbral scaffold
No I don't, I use uncanny and riposte
I don't touch lacerate even if people pay me
hybrid plover
Then this don't pertain to you then 😡
Look, what I'm getting at, is that lacerate in practice, honestly is a pretty good choice if youre looking for consistent horde clear.
magic basalt
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1385180267148476466/1398890603713921125/a...
adorbs
hybrid plover
It's one of those, "it doesn't sound like it should work but it does" sort of deals.
steel veldt
how is Devil's Claw tho
hybrid plover
Because even in horde clear, not everything you cleave will get hit in the head, and that also procs lacerate.
Riposte feels more single targety to me in the time I've used it.
hybrid plover
how is Devil's Claw tho
Mid.
steel veldt
aw
hybrid plover
It works but it leaves a lot to be desired with armor.
umbral scaffold
Riposte feels more single targety to me in the time I've used it.
I just spam dodges and it triggers most of the time
I stopped using shred on dueling sword after people nagged at me to use riposte
Now it's pretty much a fixed pick on weapons that have it
Granted it's also a case of "if you're too good at pushing poxwalkers, it doesn't trigger"
cyan verge
loadouts are cool but they're also annoying sometimes
umbral scaffold
That being Flamer
And purgatus ☝️
narrow frost
Not anymore
umbral scaffold
Because uh the damage from the damage stat actually relates to the direct hit or something of the sort
REAL
covert fable
wow uncanny strike is insane
narrow frost
Damage only affects fire impact damage
umbral scaffold
That's what I said, I think 
covert fable
flesh tearer + uncanny strike for combat blade good?
tame lodge
Why flamer
Damage on the flamer only affects the impact damage
Burn stat is the bread and butter
narrow frost
And the damage comes from the burn dot
tame lodge
flesh tearer + uncanny strike for combat blade good?
I do not recommend any bleed blessings
But Flesh Tearer is leagues better than Lacerate
hybrid plover
I do not recommend any bleed blessings
But Flesh Tearer is leagues better than ...
Is really not that much better
covert fable
I do not recommend any bleed blessings
But Flesh Tearer is leagues better than ...
oooh executor blessing?
tame lodge
Is really not that much better
hybrid plover
Again, depends on how high you keep your crit chance.
covert fable
it would work so well with uncanny
hybrid plover
You're the one that said knives aren't good for horde clear tbf
covert fable
what would you pair with uncanny strike?
tame lodge
Riposte or Precognition
covert fable
yup
umbral scaffold
Duelist at home
narrow frost
Reci is Blazing piety
But 1 talent
Desperado is just always active dueslist on a smaller scale
umbral scaffold
Blazing piety but I have to actually play the game
tame lodge
Not beating the "every class is just a flavor of zealot" allegations
cyan verge
psyker is pretty different
cyan verge
also imo every class is a flavor of veteran
umbral scaffold
cyan verge
zealot is melee veteran
psyker is psyker veteran
arbitrator is tank veteran
ogryn is large veteran
umbral scaffold
Anyway, check this dumb fucking shit out
cyan verge
yay the veteran tree
umbral scaffold
I am the smoke king and none shall see
umbral scaffold
Alas, I cannot
cyan verge
veteran tree moment
cyan verge
I really hope they rework vet tree
umbral scaffold
I could do it for the memes, but I get the feeling that my survivability really depends on them
cyan verge
after seeing arbitrator tree it's like oh well you know how to design a good tree apparently
tall torrent
I mean, I could if I dumped the two at the top middle
do it, ez
umbral scaffold
Fine.
I will do the funny.
Agile taxe and helbore 3 (currently 4, for some reason)
magic basalt
w
umbral scaffold
Helbore 4 went to the vigilant school of naming conventions
Where they just swapped random shit for no fucking reason
Peak sigma behaviour
covert fable
wow double barrel and combat knife is so nice
with kraks
gambling for kraks payed off
little path
gambling for kraks?
umbral scaffold
gamba 🦨
umbral scaffold
I will do the funny.
slim scroll
Hey folks, new to the game and community, been trying my hand at completing penances, but have been stuck on On Overwatch for quite some time now, any tips to completing it?
slim scroll
No health damage, been a real pain
cyan verge
oh
cyan verge
I did it on malice with bots on consignment yard and there are definitely easier ways to do it like archivum sycorax probably
no it was always just health damage
little path
just run the standard shout vet build and uuuh
I dunno use a super safe melee weapon
slim scroll
No health damage from melee hits, been trying the stealth build but it ain’t been working out well
cyan verge
yeah melee weapons to not use: chainaxe
little path
gimme a sec
cyan verge
yeah if you use the stealth build you are gonna have trouble in the downtime between abilities whereas voice is almost always up and actively protects you from harm
slim scroll
Chainaxe good for CC I take it?
slim scroll
My b can’t read lol
cyan verge
yeah that is a perfectly fine build
little path
the Voice of Command ability lets you get gold toughness
meaning you basically have even more shields in melee
and you can spam it off cooldown
covert fable
the Voice of Command ability lets you get gold toughness
the fart ability
slim scroll
Saving that build, Ty. Weapon recommendations?
cyan verge
duelling sword with, something reliable that can get every enemy off you
slim scroll
Ah the ol reliable I see
little path
lacks horde clear but you can nonstop dodge and has great elite killing
cyan verge
oh the only thing about the above build is
maybe go middle for kraks + fire team instead
just in case you get a boss
little path
do not do that
cyan verge
because you REALLY don't want to engage with bosses
little path
shredders are the strongest grenade by far
little path
kraks are great early on but fall off later when you get good guns
cyan verge
yeah they annihilate bosses
little path
didn't know bosses had so little health on malice
cyan verge
otherwise yes
shredders are the god
and shredders could save you elsewhere too
if horde builds up or is trouble or too many elites etc
slim scroll
Yea just been running malice to complete this, I’ll try the krak way for this penance
cyan verge
but for me personally I ended up doing consignment yard, was very chill
only needed kraks to deal with guaranteed end of run boss
I did consignment yard cuz you can just position yourself out of melee completely a lot of the time
by like
little path
cyan verge
chilling on crates and in wide open areas
shut roost
I really like the recon lasgun, any tips for building it?
little path
This is the safest dueling sword build
cyan verge
I really like the recon lasgun, any tips for building it?
get shock trooper and infernus perk
umbral scaffold
I should change my taxe for a DC
clutched a revive and then died to a dog like 10m away from a teammate
little path
agile and precog just lets you infinitely dodge
umbral scaffold
DC pretty dope when I can just ignore it entirely for carapace
little path
but typically you would want uncanny strike instead of agile
umbral scaffold
Canny strike: enemies have more rending against you per weak point hit
shut roost
get shock trooper and infernus perk
I assume the shock trooper is a talent? I cant find it in the blessing menu
umbral scaffold
big funny
shut roost
currently have the dumdum and infernus blessings on my mk VIc
cyan verge
that sounds correct
little path
that's good
cyan verge
I have this
little path
I would say deathspitter is better but like
eh
it really does not matter since anything the recon can damage will just die either way
shut roost
this is what I have currently
covert fable
you guys dont run headhunter on the recon lasgun?
little path
infernus is fun because you can stack a shit load of burn on crushers
which one was headhunter?
100% crit headshot damage?
narrow frost
DoTs barely do any damage to carapace
shut roost
infernus is fun because you can stack a shit load of burn on crushers
I just use my assault chainsword for anything that I cant kill with my lasgun
covert fable
cyan verge
oh
hybrid plover
infernus is fun because you can stack a shit load of burn on crushers
You need onslaught for that to matter though.
cyan verge
eh
covert fable
its kinda nuts
little path
no that's really really uneeded
cyan verge
you do NOT need onslaught
hybrid plover
DoTs are horrible against carapace without some form of rending.
little path
if you're running a recon lasgun you're gonna crit like crazy either way
covert fable
no that's really really uneeded
which part
shut roost
damage to flak armored enemies or carapace?
hybrid plover
Honestly, recon Las in general is just not good against crushers unless you have onslaught tbh
little path
recon is flak maniac
or flak crit
onslaught is a meme talent
but it's again, just fun if you wanna lean fully into endless LMG recon gunning
cyan verge
it doesn't matter either way
just stab crusher in face
with your sword
and then he die
little path
si
little path
which part
typically when people run the recon lasgun they're funning a full deadshot, shocktrooper build
using the talent slot to give more crits is typically less ideal
covert fable
using the talent slot to give more crits is typically less ideal
ahh i see
cyan verge
oh my build had deadshot but I dropped it cuz it annoyed me
covert fable
using the talent slot to give more crits is typically less ideal
i thought it would be good for ammo efficiency
little path
it's fine to use
covert fable
cause more crits
cyan verge
yeah so the recon with shock trooper alone is enough ammo conservation on its own you basically have infinite ammo
little path
if you're not running deadshot on the talent tree then yeah, sure go for it
gives you that extra crit
covert fable
i might get a recon lasgun with 60% on ammo lol
little path
but even without that blessing the recon still crits a lot
covert fable
but even without that blessing the recon still crits a lot
i see
little path
nah, leave it at 60 collateral
collateral is pretty much doing nothing
on the super off chance you're nonstop shooting for 13 minutes straight then ammo comes into play
but collateral wouldn't come into play no matter what you did
cyan verge
yeah don't dump ammo
covert fable
alr
little path
the chances you'll stagger even a poxwalker is basically nonexistant
covert fable
i will stick to my current one
little path
because it will be dead
cyan verge
you'll lose like, what, recon with only 40% ammo, has only 460 rounds soooo 60% is probably like 500-ish, so you'd lose over 100 ammo from dumping ammo
you probably don't want to dump ammo
if you look at what collateral does too it's like uhhh
oh wow, missing out on... 1.65 stagger instead of 1.55, or something. oh no!!!!!!!!!!
it barely changes anything
covert fable
thats so little
hybrid plover
Also staggering is kind of an anti synergy with recon
Since it throws off your shot at the little times it actually does cause any stagger so it's not as easy to hit heads
slim scroll
Thanks for all the advice guys, really appreciate
Gonna keep throwing myself at the grinder for this challenge, hope I can complete it soon
cyan verge
yeah just remember some maps are gonna be easier and some harder
also I did it with bots, you may have better results with people but you may have worse results because bots rubber band to you constantly and can completely take care of hordes for you
whereas other players, uhhh, they are random and they won't lift a finger to help you complete some weird penance
slim scroll
How can I play with bots only?
unreal nova
Put the lobby on private
Needs 2 ppl min.
covert fable
unreal nova
Can't solo without mods, you get no rewards as well.
Could play 500 ping to Africa.
Is kinda dead.
covert fable
They wanted to play with bots
covert fable
Could play 500 ping to Africa.
Sounds like fun
unreal nova
They wanted to play with bots
Thing is, you can't barring playing on a dead server or by mods.
Africa is basically dead.
APAC is ded when I'm playing since I hilariously run on EU timezone even from APAC.
cyan verge
uh yeah I dunno how active your timezone is but for me I can basically queue any random malice mission and I get a solo lobby lol
unreal nova
As said, ded servers would work.
obtuse finch
i just realized
umbral scaffold
Standing heeeeere
umbral scaffold
obtuse finch
Who hurt you.
the cultists :(
jovial wagon
it is the truth
obtuse finch
"psyker is a melee class actually"
Yeah, even with a mediocre blaze force sword build you can do massive dps
tame lodge
is this bad.
We do recommend not using wound curios
But hey
If you feel comfortable with it
So be it
covert fable
You should run 3 stamina curiou instead (jk)
hollow ibex
more valid pick tbh
umbral scaffold
Also
Didn't the power sword use to have 2 swings without power cycler?
I vividly recall using a mk6 with BM and slaughterer
pallid jetty
power sword used to have having like 6 or 8 swings
i dont actually remember how it worked
nm
umbral scaffold
I remember power cycler used to give it a ridiculous amount of swings, or maybe it already had a huge base and people just put PC for even more
But I also remember that after the power cycler nerf, I would still be able to do 2 swings for the push attack combo on crushers
cyan verge
it honestly just feels strange now
it's like you get one swing without power cycler
it's like uh okay why
calm shard
I remember power cycler used to give it a ridiculous amount of swings, or maybe ...
no it was power cycle
cyan verge
does my guy really have to like hold the sword up and go BZOOO every time I want to use the power part of it
calm shard
p sure you've always had only the one base swing
cyan verge
are space marines always doing that or do they just swing at shit and it dies
it seems dumb to me
and you only get 3 swings with power cycler? like wow god damn way to just eat an entire blessing mandatory blessing for no good reason
umbral scaffold
I feel like I want to be silly enough to look up the patch notes for a change to the base swings
I couldn't possibly have imagined that because I don't imagine good things
calm shard
also people have complained about every single nerf the PS has received
and it's still vet's best melee by miles
umbral scaffold
Now I need to use the dumb blessing for the crusher double-tap
Uninstalled and left a bad review on Yelp
frank basin
is this on forum?
calm shard
yeah
frigid shuttle
compact oracle
time for martyr vet
tame lodge
@tall torrent
Simply shove enough Psy Rating up her mind
Challenge the emperor himself
dense belfry
Good DB perks and blessings, talk to me.
Using Deadshot and weapons specialist for what is basically guaranteed crits.
austere mica
Using Deadshot and weapons specialist for what is basically guaranteed crits.
You don’t need deadshot
Weapon spec is far more than enough
Blessings is Manstopper and either Flechette or scattershot
Perks is flakiac
dense belfry
Blessings is Manstopper and either Flechette or scattershot
I can have 2 of the same blessing?
austere mica
Shush
dense belfry
Blessings is Manstopper and either Flechette or scattershot
So, explain why I should run this?
austere mica
Manstopper shouldn’t need explaining
It’s infinite cleave
Breaking game mechanics is strong
steep flower
So, explain why I should run this?
WS gives you 100% crit; flechette gives bleed on crit, manstopper gives better cleave on crit; simple as
austere mica
Flechette improves consistency against hordes and stuff you tag with part of the shot, Manstopper lets you shoot with 1 stack or fire twice while still getting a crit
dense belfry
WS gives you 100% crit; flechette gives bleed on crit, manstopper gives better c...
How many Stacks do I need for 100? 3?
austere mica
Yep
steep flower
How many Stacks do I need for 100? 3?
Yes
dense belfry
Is it bad I'm running this with Voice of command?
austere mica
No
hybrid plover
Is it bad I'm running this with Voice of command?
That is the best ability so no.
austere mica
VoC is the best ability and will be until they fix the tree
steep flower
How many Stacks do I need for 100? 3?
Atleast on auric you can kill a sniper at any distance due to flechette bleed if you crit
dense belfry
Nice!
hybrid plover
Also, if you really wanna see funny damage.
Run that with a weapon that has uncanny.
dense belfry
Run that with a weapon that has uncanny.
It's complete shit at killing but it's the best I can do.
I had no idea how dogshit shovels were until recently.
crimson pebble
It's complete shit at killing but it's the best I can do.
austere mica
Perhaps because yours isn’t in any usable condition
dense belfry
Perhaps because yours isn’t in any usable condition
Been grinding to afford better upgrades.
The shotgun took me ages to get a good roll. Broke my bank.
Anyways.
I'm thinking of adding damage to pox walkers to my shovel.
sudden cedar
It is not worth it.
dense belfry
My chainsword performs better than the damn thing tho.
It's why I used it for so long.
sudden cedar
There are better weapon perks for the Power Maul too
austere mica
Because chainsword has really good clear
sudden cedar
No need for infested
austere mica
Doesn’t do anything else though
dense belfry
Doesn’t do anything else though
Good for applying bleed to heavies.
If you need to...
austere mica
Don’t run Bloodletter
Chainsword is rampage and wrath/shred I think
Path might’ve found something better
dense belfry
Ah.
austere mica
It’s fine at it, but chainsword kinda sucks and to play it’s only role it needs cleave and crits
dense belfry
Would it be wise to choose PS for my shotgun build?
austere mica
Anything with good singletarget
dense belfry
So, yeah.
tall torrent
Challenge the emperor himself
emperor has eye of joyeuse and infinite dogmatic points
sorry
dense belfry
What Braced autogun is good for vet?
steep flower
That’s what matters
Decimator too
steep flower
Chainsword is rampage and wrath/shred I think
Rampage is purely for mass & honestly for mass you only need cleave; bloodletter gives you soo much dmg vs anything but carapace its criminally underrated; its like not taking puncture for bolt weapons imo
austere mica
The only thing you’re rev’ing besides a crusher/mauler is a bulwark
And rev’ing is still a risky proposition always
steep flower
Good for applying bleed to heavies.
i personally don't run shred on chainsword despite finesse modifier; of all things; Shock maul has better weakspot & crit multi than chainsword; chain has 1.1x and no extra crit chance to boot; wrath is like mandatory cause cleave & bloodletter gives you alot fo dmg vs single targets
steep flower
The only thing you’re rev’ing besides a crusher/mauler is a bulwark
reapers, bosses, captains, mutans
austere mica
Don’t you oneshot mutants outside of havoc anyway
steep flower
And rev’ing is still a risky proposition always
if you know your positioning & time well it is not
steep flower
Don’t you oneshot mutants outside of havoc anyway
nope
steep flower
on heavy rev you do on auric
austere mica
Wait what that’s exactly what I said
steep flower
in havoc you dont ever; bloodletter allows you to 1 shot a mutant on auric on light att rev for sure
in havoc (counting other buffs from talent tree ofc) i believe you can 1 shot a mutant due to bloodletter
not to mention if you cannot finish revving the 14 bleed stacks will still be applied & generate dmg vs a pack of any elites for example
same for boss if you get pressured
and are unable to attack
the only chain weapon that really does not use bloodletter is evicerator
other than that; chainaxe & chainsword should always have it imo
steep flower
Chaxe has slaught headtaker though
Chaxe will never be a proper horde clearing weapon until the remove the dmg cap
steep flower
Hard to beat braindead easy damage/power
Bloodletter & Thunderous allows you to amplify the strengths of the chainaxe to allow it to chew through single targets & the moveset on Mk IV allows you to CC the horde; chaf clearing does not matter much when you can CC it with ease
maybe thats why rampage is not used on chainsword but wrath as an example
light snow
Do you get anything for killing stuff in game?
Like... if you see the green ghost boss and can walk around it... should you? there's no benefit to killingg it is there?
steep flower
Do you get anything for killing stuff in game?
Like... if you see the green g...
penances
steep flower
Do you get anything for killing stuff in game?
Like... if you see the green g...
and melk bounties for boss killing
austere mica
Is there a penance for a daemonhost
steep flower
Is there a penance for a daemonhost
there is even a steam achievement
light snow
Ah so challenges. But nothing inherently for the kill
light snow
I'm fairly new. Haven't even considered mods. Are they officially supported and still allow public matchmaking?
strong fox
Hello guys I just started playing and was trying out veteran, are there any weapons good for horde clearing aside from power sword where u actually have to use the special ability?
dense belfry
What Braced autogun is good on vet?
dense belfry
Hello guys I just started playing and was trying out veteran, are there any weap...
Tactical axe.
Apparently.
austere mica
Hello guys I just started playing and was trying out veteran, are there any weap...
Define use the special
light snow
Hello guys I just started playing and was trying out veteran, are there any weap...
If vet can use heavy chainsword. One of the 2 variants has a fantastic push-followup attack. And obviously the special attack (revving up) is useful
strong fox
O have tried it as well the rashad, ove noticed tac axe is good bec it one shots 1 mob but the cleave isnt really that good
steep flower
I'm fairly new. Haven't even considered mods. Are they officially supported and ...
The Devs dont care for mods; they are run by the creators of them so they are safe to use
strong fox
Define use the special
You have to charge the force sword before u can spam 2-3 light attacks on it then charge it again right?
austere mica
O have tried it as well the rashad, ove noticed tac axe is good bec it one shots...
Tac axe has some of the fastest clear in the game, it all hinges on a single blessing, brutal momentum
austere mica
You have to charge the force sword before u can spam 2-3 light attacks on it the...
Nothing like that elsewhere on vet
Except like
light snow
The Devs dont care for mods; they are run by the creators of them so they are sa...
Just wanna clarify since "don't care for" can mean they dislike it.
Mods are safe to use including public matchmaking and won't cause anyone harm?
austere mica
Heavy sword 7
steep flower
Tac axe has some of the fastest clear in the game, it all hinges on a single ble...
is it really that necessary tho on it? Despite obvious weakspot dmg amplification
strong fox
Nothing like that elsewhere on vet
I just wanna straightly spam light attacks tbh as im a new player
austere mica
Then combat axe
austere mica
is it really that necessary tho on it? Despite obvious weakspot dmg amplificatio...
Basically
steep flower
Just wanna clarify since "don't care for" can mean they dislike it.
Mods are sa...
yeah; cause its juts like mods for tf2 for exaple; only you can see them
austere mica
It’s such an incredibly large bonus that it’s hard to not take
strong fox
Ok i will try again with combat axe
light snow
yeah; cause its juts like mods for tf2 for exaple; only you can see them
Client side stuff, got it. Thanks!
steep flower
Client side stuff, got it. Thanks!
exacly thats the word
steep flower
It’s such an incredibly large bonus that it’s hard to not take
so in your opinion; headtaker or brutal?
austere mica
Ok i will try again with combat axe
Combat axe requires a specific build to work but it’s pretty simple, brutal momentum + headtaker and carapace + Unarmored
austere mica
so in your opinion; headtaker or brutal?
Both
austere mica
Innate crit means shred isn’t needed
austere mica
i use agile
Gross
strong fox
Combat axe requires a specific build to work but it’s pretty simple, brutal mome...
This one is the rashhad one right?
austere mica
Headtaker is usually needed for bruiser breakpoints anyway, so you need to both
austere mica
This one is the rashhad one right?
Yes
steep flower
Gross
i like the infinite survival aspect of it; until they nerf it (they should) i will advocate for using it; so which one; brutal or headtaker?
austere mica
You need both unless you can hit your bruiser breakpoint without headtaker
Brutal momentum obviously wins but the weapon’ll suffer without headtaker
steep flower
so if we dont consider breakpoints brutal; if we do; headtaker got it
calm shard
i like the infinite survival aspect of it; until they nerf it (they should) i wi...
both
austere mica
so if we dont consider breakpoints brutal; if we do; headtaker got it
Not exactly
It’s brutal momentum both ways
You are just less effective if you can’t hit the scab bruiser 1 tap
steep flower
You are just less effective if you can’t hit the scab bruiser 1 tap
its chaf tho; if you can CC it the breakpoint does not really matter that much cause push att on taxe is that good
austere mica
It’ll slow you down
And get you bound up on stuff in ways you otherwise wouldn’t
Killing 4 targets a swing always versus getting stuck on a common trash target
You’ll get around it with crits but consistency is always preferred
misty prairie
what’s the dump stat for power sword
steep flower
It’ll slow you down
time is but an illusion
austere mica
what’s the dump stat for power sword
Mobility or cleave targets
austere mica
time is but an illusion <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
An illusion with quite a few game mechanics tied to it
misty prairie
Mobility or cleave targets
thank you
i just got a dump mobility one first try lmao
what is the chances of that
dense belfry
Why doesn't the combat axe have cleave?
steep flower
Killing 4 targets a swing always versus getting stuck on a common trash target
i understand the appeal but considering the enemy is not that threatening or hard to CC the breakpoint imo does not matter that much; if it would be ragers then ofc but its chaf and that boils up to be able to CC it & cleave through it rather than doing breakpoints
steep flower
Why doesn't the combat axe have cleave?
imagine caxe with cleave... the old days of unnerfed brutal momentum
i remember those days
austere mica
i understand the appeal but considering the enemy is not that threatening or har...
Breakpoints enable your cleave in this case
A missed breakpoint is a swing that stops
dense belfry
The Caxe should at least have a fast swing speed.
steep flower
Breakpoints enable your cleave in this case
very true in general but considering taxe moveset; the push att gives you good CC so the argument is not that strong for that weapon imo; for other weapons like lets say chainsword it is or heavy sword/devil claws cause their push atts are oof
exept Chainsword Mk XIIIg but thats an oof weapon
calm shard
It has good CC but it ain't really gonna stagger things if it doesn't hit them
And taxe cleave is low so it ain't hitting much
steep flower
And taxe cleave is low so it ain't hitting much
push has a wide cone
thats where CC comes from; not the swing
calm shard
pushing is a circle actually
austere mica
Yeah the weapon is safe but it already takes it’s time against carapace, I’d rather play to its strength of an incredible clear speed as opposed to running a blessing who’s effect can be circumvented with dodge control
steep flower
thats why before taxe buffs Mk VII was the taxe to use cause push att - heavy - repeat was (and still is) very good
austere mica
Mk2 worked just as well
The only difference is the combo you use when out of stamina
steep flower
preference
calm shard
I use Mk IV because it's got personality
And also I use it for exe vet I ain't getting brutal momentum breakpoints whether I like it or not
steep flower
Mk2 worked just as well
whenever i saw taxe being used nobody used 2 or 4; only 7
austere mica
Mk4 only really works with martyrdom I think
steep flower
that changed after the buffs tho
austere mica
I’d have to ask ainz
austere mica
whenever i saw taxe being used nobody used 2 or 4; only 7
I used 2 a bunch but 7 feels better with light heavy on low stamina instead of heavy heavy
They play almost entirely the same
7 does look better though
steep flower
7 does look better though
the visual appeal is present for me too
dense belfry
whenever i saw taxe being used nobody used 2 or 4; only 7
I feel like taxes needs a longer view model...
austere mica
For me it’s literally just the color because I have had weapon customization for ages
steep flower
I feel like taxes needs a longer view model...
use 'Weapon FOV' mod
austere mica
The default mk7 head looks pretty good though
steep flower
The default mk7 head looks pretty good though
this
steep flower
very oof my friend
steep flower
I use Mk IV because it's got *personality*
How can an inanimate object with no life signs have something that is inherently attributed to a life/digital organism? Does not make sense compadre
dense belfry
cross-saving or whatever they call it
Because it requires effort
austere mica
cross-saving or whatever they call it
There kind of was, they suspended it recently
You could put in a support ticket and they would migrate you
steep flower
There kind of was, they suspended it recently
what a misatke on their part; one of many to count
dense belfry
There kind of was, they suspended it recently
late jungle
There kind of was, they suspended it recently
literally why
austere mica
I forget where they said it
steep flower
You could put in a support ticket and they would migrate you
i always wanted to be an imigrant... says no one ever
dense belfry
I just realised something.
Power Swords don't go ignore bulwark shields
Never knew.
calm shard
How can an inanimate object with no life signs have something that is inherently...
the machine spirit
steep flower
the machine spirit
is a weapon such as taxe be considered a machine? it does not have wires nor it has any circuits or mechanism; has no digital presence either; so i think not
if it would be a shovel (the flip one) it would be cause it has a mechanism but taxe? nah
austere mica
dense belfry
the machine spirit
Considering how every machine in 40k has some bio-tech shit in it, it makes sense.
steep flower
Considering how every machine in 40k has some bio-tech shit in it, it makes sens...
but thats the point; taxe is not a machine
dense belfry
It could have some meat helping it cut better or some shit...
dense belfry
You don't know!
crimson pebble
guns can also have machine spirits
austere mica
The Rashad specifically is wielded by the GSC biker unit and labeled on the back of the box as a power axe
dense belfry
Oh god, miniature talk.
austere mica
What
dense belfry
I think it is.
austere mica
Tabletop is the reference material
austere mica
It’s weird that you groan about the primary focus of the universe the game is set in
dense belfry
It’s weird that you groan about the primary focus of the universe the game is se...
Because I don't consume the tabletop.
steep flower
power sword, shock mauls, chain weapons, flip shovels, relic blades, force swords & greatswords, maul & shields, crusher, thunderhammers - all those weapons have some form of mechanism to them so they could be considered having a spirit; just like all range weapons
but taxes, caxes, hswords, dclaws, knifes, dueling swords, standard shovel, all ogryn melee weapons exept power maul - they are just a piece of metal/wood; completelly dead
austere mica
Machine spirits have no consistency
dense belfry
power sword, shock mauls, chain weapons, flip shovels, relic blades, force sword...
Yet they recieve blessings from the omnissiah.
austere mica
It’s a writer to writer weapon to weapon thing
steep flower
Yet they recieve blessings from the omnissiah.
spirituality has a psycological component aswell
dense belfry
spirituality has a psycological component aswell
Actually, could be some warp fuckery related to it...
Not sure how.
But seems it could be.
Anyways.
Back to veteran stuff.
You lot ever think about the difference between the MK6 and Mk3 PS?
dense belfry
One uses sunder better
Sunder?
late jungle
never rlly cared cus ps is kinda cracked out regardless 
austere mica
Heavy attacks have like 4x cleave and Cara armor slide
dense belfry
Ah, blessing
austere mica
It’s a bromentum sidegrade
late jungle
heavies on ps ..
austere mica
Not better than the mk6 crusher 2 tap
dense belfry
Not better than the mk6 crusher 2 tap
I pardon your beg?
austere mica
Special -> PA -> Light
You need a bit of damage for it so it isn’t out of box but if you miss it an extra light does it
late jungle
i do love the poke pa
dense belfry
Special -> PA -> Light
Is this with a maxed stats PS?
I don't have one at the moment.
austere mica
Yeah
dense belfry
58%damage.
austere mica
All combos are built around max statted weapons
austere mica
I mean
There is
They’re still the best way to deal damage a certain way
You’ll just miss some breakpoints
PA -> Light is still the best method of single target damage on mk6
late jungle
No point in me knowing them now.
tbf i dont think stats make THAT huge a difference
austere mica
You just won’t 2 tap
dense belfry
you'll still be 3 tapping
4 tap.
late jungle
you hitting the head ?
dense belfry
you hitting the head ?
Yep. While charged. All Heavies.
austere mica
Heavies deal less damage than the PA and light 4 to carapace
dense belfry
Yep. While charged. All Heavies.
All lights = 5 hits.
dense belfry
Heavies deal less damage than the PA and light 4 to carapace
Meant heavy attacks.
dense belfry
Heavies deal less damage than the PA and light 4 to carapace
It was during PA.
dense belfry
Ooooh
austere mica
How would you 2 tap with 1 attack
dense belfry
It's like the BFGS, then?
austere mica
In what way
austere mica
It’s push is a stagger button
It deals 1 point of damage
But it will open bulwarks and stun most enemies
dense belfry
Is that why it uses up 1 charge of cycler?
austere mica
It’s either 3:30 am or you just aren’t making sense
late jungle
But it will open bulwarks and stun most enemies
the range on it is kinda crazy too ..
dense belfry
How would you 2 tap with 1 attack
It's for the mark 6 isn't it?
austere mica
Yes
dense belfry
At least it's meta.
austere mica
Special -> push attack -> light will kill a crusher with a few damage boosts
dense belfry
Is it worth using the second heavy, ever?
late jungle
i personally dont really touch heavy all that often on ps..
austere mica
On mk6?
dense belfry
Ye
austere mica
You don’t use heavies on mk6
Unless you’re running sunder
Which is better run on mk3
dense belfry
You don’t use heavies on mk6
Oh.
austere mica
It’s an incredibly braindead weapon
Block-> Special -> Light -> Light -> light
And Special -> PA -> light
Are it’s only combos
late jungle
the fact that u can pretty much just hold block while charging it
x_x
free ass weapon but im not gonna complain
austere mica
I don’t like using it
austere mica
Weapons that are just spam of either light or heavy just aren’t very fun for me
dense belfry
I feel like the mk 6 has shitty hit detection.
late jungle
ive never had any hitreg problems with it
austere mica
It has the same hit detection everything else does
late jungle
are u not hitting his shoulder there
dense belfry
Shouldn't be, right?
simple cobalt
Well it says Flak and Mauler head is Carapace iirc
Also can anybody tell me what are the correct combos to use on MK3 Shock Maul?
or the other one, I just like the lights more on MK3
I just do a Special > Heavy > Heavy on stuff like Bulwarks and Crushers, and Light with an occasional Special (mostly ragers) on everything else
steep flower
Also can anybody tell me what are the correct combos to use on MK3 Shock Maul?
Horde Clear Combo; Heavy - Light - Repeat OR Push Attack - Light - Heavy - Repeat
Single Target Combo; Special - Heavy (Repeated) OR Light - Heavy (Repeated) OR Light - Heavy - Repeat
simple cobalt
Thank you!
crimson wyvern
Talk me out of why ranged weakspot damage is so bad on hellbore
is the 10% vs 25% against armour type really just a no brainer
sly orchid
weakspot damage only affects the damage added by the weakspot hit
not the overall damage of the hit
crimson wyvern
yeah tested it
ive been talked out of it
so
Helbore has natural cleave without the blessing too
apparently
nimble night
Hello there - for the penance “kill armoured enemies with kraks” does it count only enemies with carapace armour?
unreal nova
Hello there - for the penance “kill armoured enemies with kraks” does it count o...
All armour. Throw into scab or mobians.
Lethal prox lets you clip a few extra.
nimble night
Thanks 🙂
marble ocean
finally got myself power sword
80 in everything cept mobility just joined up the game. brunt had it and it was 1 minute till reset
eat melta melk
sudden cedar
The Power Sword should dump Cleave Targets.. wasn't it?
limber lance
ex stance should give 50% stam
limber lance
does this stack on multiple targets or does it move if i start shooting at something else?
covert fable
does this stack on multiple targets or does it move if i start shooting at somet...
I think you can test that in the psykanium
It might pop up in the bottom left, uh the little squares
patent birch
fav shovel?
hollow ibex
does this stack on multiple targets or does it move if i start shooting at somet...
it stacks per target you hit
sudden cedar
It was a shot blessed by Sigmar himself.
or.. more like..
A grenade blessed by the Emperor.
covert fable
That was cooll
sudden cedar
Being realistic tho.. you probably just got lucky.
covert fable
All skill
pure cloud
guys, how do i build a graced auto gun, perks, blessing and dumbstat ?
covert fable
guys, how do i build a graced auto gun, perks, blessing and dumbstat ?
I found out recently about this website where ppl post their builds and its nice to learn from
hollow ibex
guys, how do i build a graced auto gun, perks, blessing and dumbstat ?
📌 Pins has all this information and more-- specifically the Hammer of the Emperor guide. It's a bit old, but most of it is still relevant.
hollow ibex
I found out recently about this website where ppl post their builds and its nice...
yeah be careful about the builds here, especially the popular ones
tend to be shit
steel veldt
*A grenade blessed by the Emperor.*
Literally
ember nest
I'm gonna make a really really dumb build
covert fable
Fun
pure cloud
okay
arctic rampart
guys, how do i build a graced auto gun, perks, blessing and dumbstat ?
click the pinned threads and use the hammer of the emp guide.
pure cloud
thank you
midnight wyvern
But it will open bulwarks and stun most enemies
pretty sure you need a certain amount of impact to open them up, but it can
midnight wyvern
holy dopamine
what you listening to? lol
midnight wyvern
I think that is MPN2 soundtrack
cool
tame lodge
emperor has eye of joyeuse and infinite dogmatic points
Good point
So I just need to proc infinite Warp phenomena
Let's get hustling
Also Void Shadows is a very good dlc
Very gimmicky fights as well
But unfortunately those dumbass set my rogue trader on fire
You don't set a pyromancer on fire
covert fable
https://tenor.com/view/boomb-cat-boomb-cat-boom-cat-explosion-explosion-gif-gif-17107588862516012936
orchid hemlock
https://tenor.com/view/boomb-cat-boomb-cat-boom-cat-explosion-explosion-gif-gif-...
covert fable
Amazing
orchid hemlock
Nature is soo beautiful
proper delta
if i dont have the patience for a perfect plasma is it better to go 80 thermal or 80 charge
pallid jetty
why charge is even a thing as a stat
hollow ibex
if i dont have the patience for a perfect plasma is it better to go 80 thermal o...
prob 80 thermal
so you can get 8 uncharged shots
proper delta
when do you like... use charged shot
hollow ibex
when you want to waste ammo and lower your dps
tall torrent
if i dont have the patience for a perfect plasma is it better to go 80 thermal o...
charge
normal bay
when do you like... use charged shot
There's not really any good reason to. It uses an excessive amount of ammo, creates a lot of heat and risks exploding
But sometimes, fuck it. That thing needs to die
tame lodge
why charge is even a thing as a stat
Because that's the whole weapon
covert fable
Vigi?
junior grail
Someone using vigi autogun?!
narrow frost
Vigilant autogun
Was 1 shotting gunners havoc 40
Specials were a 2 tap for flamer and trap
My fav sniping gun
covert fable
Hoow do you guys ddo so much damageee
late jungle
havent rlly tried out autoguns yet but the taxe is certainly something 😌