veteran-class

[normal bay]

Marksman

[red fox]

wow 5 bullets in a revolver is really rough on auric

what do you guys do with the other 6 gunners

[normal bay]

Take cover and reload lol

[red fox]

theres cover in auric?

[tame lodge]

Kill 2 gunners and close the distance

[red fox]

yea thats what i realised

also shoudl i be like

melee-ing, switching weapons to pop t he reaload

and then back to melee?

is that how you play WS

[tame lodge]

Iirc Zarona suppression on kill is decent

[red fox]

is it hand cannon and surgical for the zarony

[tame lodge]

Iirc Handcannon is for carapace purposes

It won't be necessary for anything else

[red fox]

oh i'd rather fight carapace in melee

whats better in place of handcannon?

[normal bay]

Still good for bosses and reapers though I'm pretty sure

[sudden cedar]

There is always cover

[red fox]

I don't get the appeal of the revolver 🤔

[tame lodge]

6.5 cleave one shot machine (effortlessly)

[red fox]

Explain?

[tame lodge]

You point and click

Dead

https://tenor.com/view/happy-beach-steam-emoji-sunset-gif-3837748048620888892

Quick draw as well

[red fox]

yea but i mean, i geuss wahts the difference between this or bolter/bolter pistol other than worse ammo

[tame lodge]

You can 1-2 shot carapace

Quick draw

[red fox]

Crusher?

[tame lodge]

Yup

[red fox]

what

no way

[analog mural]

One revolver shot can kill like 6 gunners

And bullet magnetism makes it very easy

[normal bay]

Unleash the exe stance, WS revolver build

https://tenor.com/view/mc-meme-overwatch-mc-cree-high-noon-gif-21900345

[covert fable]

Is the plasma gun better than the revolver on vet? I have yet to try the plasma

Revolver just too cool

[analog mural]

I think most would agree plasma is better, but revolver is more fun to use

[scenic vapor]

yes way

[covert fable]

It looks cool

[tame lodge]

Yes and no

With plasma you can still one shot stuff left and right while having 50+ cleave

[covert fable]

50 cleave 😭

[tame lodge]

It's not as nimble as Zarona

[covert fable]

Also that dueling sword needs to be nerfed

I should not be almost onwshotting crushers

Like how is this in the game

[tepid otter]

I remember just executing one of the assassination bosses that had less than half health with Macabian

Pretty fun imo

[tall torrent]

depends

[covert fable]

The shock maul has been so fun on veteran

Not as op as dueling sword but satisfying

[tepid otter]

Ooh, might try it.

[covert fable]

Shock maul and revolver hella fun

[red fox]

Why do people intentionally hit daemon host

[tepid otter]

Only had Rashaad on vet because i feel like i couldnt find anything as decent, at least to me anyway

[red fox]

Its good?

[covert fable]

It's fun

I'm not sure how good on high difficulty

[red fox]

what are you playing on

[covert fable]

I'm on damnation 😭

[tepid otter]

Works on havoc far as ive heard

[red fox]

Never heard anyone bring the maul on vet

[covert fable]

Maul is so satisfying tho 😭

I don't think it's too good on crushers and maulers

But that's why I use revolver

[steep flower]

My friend uses it; its good

[steep flower]

It is in fact very good againts them

[covert fable]

It Is?

I barely do any damage to them 😭

[steep flower]

The only enemy it struggles againts is unyielding to a degree

[steep flower]

Then your build needs revisiting

[covert fable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733823810213773363/1337695569451159572/Screenshot_2025-02-07-01-33-34-638_com.discord-edit.gif

[tall torrent]

skullcrusher

[covert fable]

I think I was using the uh extra damage to electrocuted enemies and staggered enemies blessing

That's probably why it wasn't doing good on crushers 😭

[steep flower]

And thats why your damage was poop; skullcrusher & hammerblow my friend

[covert fable]

I'll try that next

Is it not worth to build the shock maul around crowd control?

[steep flower]

Hammerblow is your CC wdym

[covert fable]

I have no idea what that foes

Is it the impact blessing?

[steep flower]

Yes

[tame lodge]

It's slept on

[covert fable]

Ahh

[tame lodge]

Pretty good

One shot specialists

2 shot gunners

[steep flower]

Sends elites & chaf flying

[covert fable]

I'm gonna try shock maul on zealot especially with that dash ability (idk the name)

[steep flower]

Fury of the Faithful

[covert fable]

Rugby tackle

[red fox]

thats 3 auric games now where an ogryn walks up to a daemon host clealry marked and smacked it

[covert fable]

Don't they look like they want tickles tho

[crimson mica]

Is it a shield ogryn?

[red fox]

yep

[steep flower]

Not surprised

[normal bay]

You don't understand

The psyker and vet needed to lose half their healthpool to corruption

[red fox]

why do they do it?

to show off

cuz they can't 1v1 it

[crimson mica]

Nah, that is just them being dumb. Normally when I play shield ogryn the only time the daemon gets awaken if it is blocking the only path forward.

Them just waking it up just makes me disappointed

[normal bay]

If you ignore them along enough a couple of specials might spawn and ruin their day

[crimson mica]

Add in about 2 buffed up monstrosities for more fun

[graceful pulsar]

is there a good melee vet guide that you guys would recommend? dying to hordes is definately the bit im strugglebussing with the most right now

[tame lodge]

Heavy Sword

Mk9

Deathblow and just spam sweeping heavies against hordes

[unreal forge]

the demon can't hurt them if they use the shield special

team can kill it easily

[hollow ibex]

they can plant their shield in the corner for the rest of the match

rest of the team will move on

[normal bay]

Maybe the DH will get bored?

Ogryn leaves

Oh no

[red fox]

and eat a ton of corruption damagfe

[steep flower]

Cause they can tank it infinitely

[unreal forge]

pretty sure they have a time limit no?

[normal bay]

Dunno, never seen it lol

[tame lodge]

Same

[past stratus]

I thought the shockmaul was just not very good at dealing with hordes

I haven't played with it, it is the next weapon I'll level after the Chaxe

[hollow ibex]

it's just eh whatever on vet

[patent birch]

best helbore?

[cyan verge]

mk 3 or mk 4

3 is faster but 4 is more damnage

[patent birch]

which do u like @cyan verge

[cyan verge]

3

cuz it's snappy

[late jungle]

does it have a better swap speed ..

[unreal forge]

just faster rate of fire

I think the dps averages about the same as the Mk4

also a better bayonet attack. The Mk4's bayonet attack is terrible

[cyan verge]

yeah the bayonet is REALLY good on the mk3

[patent birch]

also which chainsword is better

[normal bay]

XIIIg

[void dragon]

Chainsword? Better? maybe I'm delusional but all feel quite bad one way or other

[patent birch]

im finding that out

[patent birch]

shred and wrath?

[void dragon]

Yeah, the other uses rampage and shred iirc

[normal bay]

XIIIg is better but I ain't using either

[void dragon]

Which is depressing, it's probably the most iconic weapon in the Warhammer universe and it feels like garbo

Ciaphas Cain would never use those

[heavy rover]

Are you talking about pre or post buff?

If the typical swap animation is pull out, flick switch, ready to aim, you can now start aiming before you flick the switch

[normal bay]

Iconic weapon with monomolecular teeth and a fancy motor that can fit inside of the handle vs some random axe someone found in a ditch

[void dragon]

*turns out that axe was just a humble latrine shovel that someone discarded in a pile of bodies...it performs better than the motor powered sword...

[normal bay]

Only just though

[steel surge]

Veteran is the last of the original 4 classes I need to figure out. I've read through the guide in the pins. Any example builds to recommend?

[heavy rover]

Here's my build that I run https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-havoc

Be aware that the helbore is a love-it-or-hate-it kind of weapon

[trim badger]

I'd really suggest downloading the mod that automatically charges the attack while aiming

[cyan verge]

that mod makes helbore playable

[patent birch]

no longshot vollet adept?

[patent birch]

no.

[cyan verge]

longshot bad

[patent birch]

the only mods we get are QOL not playing the game for us

[trim badger]

I'd say this counts as QoL

Kinda silly having to hold 2 buttons at the same time

[cyan verge]

honestly it should be an accessibility setting

[trim badger]

Also QoL term is too loose xddd

[cyan verge]

it doesn't actually let you fire any faster is the main thing, it doesn't give you any advantage

[normal bay]

This is pretty common in shooters?

[signal garden]

Every once in a while I get dyslexic and un aim while charging

[cyan verge]

regardless... it is probably best just to blame fatshark's permissive mod rules

[signal garden]

It adds to the jank

[cyan verge]

fatshark is the one who was like "oh yeah do whatever lol"

[signal garden]

I would prefer if the gun was a charged state, shoots to discharge, and can be fired on a half assed charge

Because aimed shots are stupid in darktide since the "best guns" are snappy

[trim badger]

Not to >>charge<< something

That's the thing

[cyan verge]

I personally have a pretty hard time like keeping my gun sights on a target for a long period of time so click to shoot just works better for me

[signal garden]

It's one thing to aim, it's another entirely to charge and release

And another thing entirely when the director wants to give you an enema

By ramming a bunch of infested up your flank

[cloud rock]

50/50 for me, depends on how many fuckers are shooting my penis

[signal garden]

Yeah to that end helbore and ps are needlessly tedious

Success with extra steps as it were

Arby's with shotpistol, success with extra safeguards

[tame lodge]

They are alright ish
4.5 clv, 8.75 clv and 11 clv all around

[signal garden]

Either shield weapon albeit

[tame lodge]

Somehow able to be mid with all that cleave

Recent buffs made them a bit more nimble

[normal bay]

I've never found this to be an issue.

Am I the crazy one?

[cyan verge]

no if you can make do then more power to you but I cannot

[signal garden]

Like I said, occasionally I get control dhslexia

I didn't think it was an issue

[hollow ibex]

Damage kinda eh tho

[signal garden]

But one night this past weekend I was playing maybe too much

And I started toggling my aim off and on at the wrong moment

[tame lodge]

I mean
They can one shot 90% of the specialists
2 shot gunners

It's actually very surprising that they are mid

[signal garden]

Is it? The competition is what it's compared against

And the competition is braindead easy for how braindead the play style is

[normal bay]

Only on unyielding. Everything else is solid. Horde clear not great

Plus it can shred captain shields with the special

[signal garden]

I think it's decent at unyielding and horde

Although both rely on headshots

As I think the weapon doesn't cleave very well on bodyshot

At least the lower damage marks dont

[hollow ibex]

It’s quite bad against bosses

Overall smaul is fine

[tame lodge]

It's horrible

💀

[signal garden]

It's good against bosses

[hollow ibex]

Not my first pick for anything

[signal garden]

Only, you should be knifer rifljg

[normal bay]

Yeah, you do not want to fight unyielding with that thing

[signal garden]

Because of theong melee range

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[signal garden]

Long*

[hollow ibex]

Minces void shields at least lmao

[signal garden]

Void shields are ship shields

I think these are force shields

[hollow ibex]

It really is just a huge mixed bag of a weapon

[signal garden]

Yeah a bunch of jank and Mechanics that equates to a very average weapon

[normal bay]

A horizontal PA would work wonders

Instead of some wimpy uppercut

[signal garden]

it should literally be

slash on light, stab on heavy

or slash on heavy stab on light depending on the mark

not some half assed poorly thought out over head slam that does all of jack shit to earn your team's respect

[normal bay]

Are we talking about the same weapon?

That overhead hits hard

[tall torrent]

no

[hollow ibex]

Does smaul have bad cdd?

[tall torrent]

it's alr

[signal garden]

well one other issue is

if anyone played vermintide 2

the helbore used to stab as fast as kerillian's javelin

which, for its range

is REALLY fast

then at some point they put it down to its modern attack speed

and then for a while it was slow(current)

and then i feel like they actually made it work with weapon specialist/trench fighter attack speed

but for some reason in its current state after the arbys patch they must have rolled it back

because ffs where is my stab speed

[tame lodge]

I don't think we are talking about the same thing

[signal garden]

helbore stab

[tame lodge]

💀

[tall torrent]

not weapon specialist

[signal garden]

well not trench fighter either apparently

[tame lodge]

Yeah we're talking about Shock Mauls

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[tall torrent]

no, this part works correctly

[signal garden]

well who cares about that lol

[tall torrent]

nothing was changed

[signal garden]

arbys exists

actually i think i just dont like shock mauls combo

[normal bay]

Us, we were literally talking about it

[signal garden]

that uppercut makes me upset

and we were talking about helbore too

[tame lodge]

They are mid

[signal garden]

oh right mid but

[tame lodge]

Why would I be talking about them

[signal garden]

carried by the overtuned class

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[signal garden]

that makes literally every weapon more than mid

[tame lodge]

No no

The class

[compact oracle]

no they just hate arbites in general

[tame lodge]

Arbitrator

Is mid

[signal garden]

in design orrrrrr

[tame lodge]

Shock Maul is also mid but that's generally speaking

[compact oracle]

theyre the number one psyker propagandist

[signal garden]

i dont even think it look or feels good thematically

[tame lodge]

I'm not a hater

I'm a Truth Sayer

[signal garden]

not mutually exclusive

[tall torrent]

but u play heretic in RT

[covert fable]

We are still talking about shock maul

Awesom

[tame lodge]

It actually goes pretty hard with idira

[covert fable]

Whats idira

[signal garden]

idira is

when you are perfectly happy with rolling 1 or 20

with all that entails

[covert fable]

what 😭

[tame lodge]

An unsanctioned divination telepath psyker

[signal garden]

idira is an unsanctioned psyker

and in RT that means whatever she does has a nonzero chance of triggering perils of the warp, instantly killing her, and summoning a daemon

which can happen as soon as you get her and depending on how early in the game it is, is more or less a guaranteed game over

but somehow

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/boomb-cat-boomb-cat-boom-cat-explosion-explosion-gif-gif-17107588862516012936

[signal garden]

somehow shes worth using

because she is an unsanctioned psyker with unhinged power spikes

[tall torrent]

finished moveset charts for shovels & knife

all vet melee weapons' movesets done basically

now need to finish their own sections

also finished transferring blessings to each weapon's own section

[tame lodge]

There's also equipment that are only available to Unsanctioned Psykers or awakening

And you only get awakenings at end game

So those equipments are pretty much Idi exclusive

With enough heretical choices and those items
You can turn Idira into a Psy Rating generator

[covert fable]

Is it true that the demonhosts we see ingame are the test dummies and not actual demonhosts

[pallid jetty]

where did you even hear that

[covert fable]

Random person in my lobby

They said that and then immediately charged at the demon host 😭

(We all died)

[pallid jetty]

[tall torrent]

they're actual daemonhosts in lore

[pallid jetty]

wow

[tame lodge]

First time hearing that

[covert fable]

There is stronger ones

[pallid jetty]

i guess he ment that DHs are dummies for his build

i think he was zealot

maybe

[covert fable]

no

The demonhosts we see are not the strong ones

Idk how to explain it my English is bad

[pallid jetty]

well no shit they are not strong

but they are demonhosts

[covert fable]

Ya

[pallid jetty]

ah, "testing dummies" for summoning actual strong DH

maybe

[covert fable]

Yes

That

Practice demonhosts****

[tame lodge]

@tall torrent rate my heretical playthrough build

[tall torrent]

0/10 for being a heretic

Done

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-just-so-peak-peak-panda-peak-panda-it's-just-so-peak-gif-10789048890486755182

The only problem with this build is that I'll have to kill Yrliet later in the Quetza Temer

So sad

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-freaky-smile-sukuna-sukuna-smile-freaky-sukuna-gif-4852549280133734300

[tall torrent]

Should have done it before act 3

Solve problems before they become problems

[tame lodge]

Nah it would be [Iconoclast] or [Heretical] to let her live

Also figured you can use the vox you get on Janus to scan the planet and get one of those book events

They investigate and find out that Yrliet is xenos

So she disappears

Also like

[tame lodge]

Yrliet is an operative so bounty hunter to feed Idira turns

Because Savour the kill

Guess I'll go romance Yrliet on my 8th playthrough

If I only could get Eyes of Joy on my current playthrough

[ember nest]

smokes aint bad but the vets using them seem to be

specimines

[silent bison]

Generally what’s the best anti armour gun to use?

[cyan verge]

plasma I guess

[signal garden]

rumbler

[covert fable]

holy FUCK HELLBORE LASGUN KICKS ASSS

[orchid hemlock]

Vet players when they see a specialist:

[silent bison]

Hmm, never used one before

[tame lodge]

Not good against armor

4 shots is not good

It's either Helbore or Zarona revolver

Zarona is just easy to use

[covert fable]

it iss

is 10% rending worth to spend a point on?

[tame lodge]

Depends on the weapon

[covert fable]

helbor :p

[tame lodge]

Don't need it

[buoyant pewter]

I feel like high damage burst weapons like it but don't need it

[silent bison]

I’ve never tried helbore maybe I’ll do that, what would be my dump stat on it, and what would work well for blessings? I play on damnation usually if that changes things

[heavy rover]

Welcome to peak 🤝

[buoyant pewter]

Think its all down to preference, cause I like running ammo as dump cause I usually only take out the Helbore to target down specific Specialists.

Surgical and Armourbane is my go-to

[signal garden]

you know what rending really feels felt on is the shredder

its not alot, but the amount of kills you get it with it after the 15% elite bonus or wahtever (left tree)

is yuge

it just magically is good at killstealing at that point or something becasue the base damage of frag/shredder is what, 120 damage?

[silent bison]

Getting all the grenade upgrades out of the tree makes the grenades so beautiful

[tame lodge]

Stability dump

Surgical is mandatory

Then Weight of Fire on mk4

Falter/Hotshot on mk3

[signal garden]

if you play on D4 the helbore will feel like the gift of god

[covert fable]

D4?

[signal garden]

and then if you play on Diff5 it will feel less like the gift of god

[covert fable]

damnation?

[signal garden]

and then in havocs youre reminded fatshark needs to update the class

yeah damna

[covert fable]

another game another loss for me 😎

i was 1 away from auric

[signal garden]

shredders for crowds

[silent bison]

Kraks are usually my go to cause of those big crowds of armoured ogryns that show up on higher difficulties

[signal garden]

bayonets for force shields

[covert fable]

Kraks are so satisfying

[signal garden]

yeah well they were certainly designed around low intensity seeing as how the only complaint about them seems to be

how few you get relative to how many bosses and carapace enemies you can run into

well that and veteran's uncannily poor ability to stay in sustained melee combat

on account of its abysmal stamina

[silent bison]

I’ve been finding the power sword has been doing me well in damnation

[buoyant pewter]

With the grenade regen per minute, the box restock and the on elite kill %5 chance for extra grenades, Kraks still feel fairly good into large carapace waves.

[silent bison]

I was just about to mention the regeneration for vets grenades lol

[buoyant pewter]

And I've seen it also take out multiple Carapace enemies grouped up when using the Bolt Pistol with Proximity blessing

[silent bison]

If I’m running helbore is there any suggested skill tree things I should use or specific melee to accompany it?

[covert fable]

why do people hit barrels when NO enemy is around

i just got sent off the map

[silent bison]

Hey that happened to me a few games ago!

So annoying

[buoyant pewter]

Bad habit from players who don't wanna have it explode later if engaging a horde or the like in that area

[cyan verge]

I destroy barrels whenever I see them if no one is near them because then they are never a problem in the future

[signal garden]

i feel like

it just needs more

[covert fable]

best part is

"my character did warn you"

[silent bison]

I lost a scripture because of this

[signal garden]

fun fact, shredder grenades can kill more caparace enemies than kraks

because shredder grenades hit more things

[silent bison]

This seems totally fine, just requires awareness of allies people seem to not have

[plush kernel]

it's not a bad habit when playing with randoms imo

[cyan verge]

yeah and any time I don't do it, you get some idiot zealot who nicks a barrel with one of their giant weapons and then no one notices and everyone loses 30% of their health because of it, or, even worse, is flung off the abyss into death

[buoyant pewter]

I'm in the boat of "don't blow them up, as they can be a extremely important resource later"

[sudden cedar]

Always be vigilant. Always.

[cyan verge]

not even remotely are they 'extremely important' you built your character and allocated your weapons so that you can clear the mission WITHOUT relying on barrels

once in a while if you can use a barrel then by all means do it but they are not all that useful especially the flame barrels

[buoyant pewter]

Having been in solo clutch situations on Havocs, they've been able to assist in a the reset.

[signal garden]

im always behind an ogryn

[silent bison]

Yeah flame just suck

[sudden cedar]

I agree that you should built your character and loadout so that you can deal with all enemies in some way.

[signal garden]

as they proceed to not give a fuck and smack every barrel they run past

[sudden cedar]

But Barrels are not "once in a while" they are there and you can use them.

[signal garden]

so naturally they push a head and im avoiding the explosion

[sudden cedar]

So use them.

[cyan verge]

yeah for real

[signal garden]

because most ogryn players are dicks

[cyan verge]

not even dicks just like they might not even notice you are there

[signal garden]

which is dick behavior

in a team game

[buoyant pewter]

Also big wide swings of their melee weapons don't help

[signal garden]

oh no its deliberate

[silent bison]

:< I play ogryn cause I can shield my team and take aggro

[steel surge]

That's not what pals say about pals

[signal garden]

what are you gonna do, swing your melee weapon? youve been feeding your rumbler since the mission started

[trim badger]

I mean remember survivalist, shocktrooper

Maybe slap killzone in

Focus target is great for havoc

Good melees are DS, knife and PS for all round power, Heavy sword is great against hordes if you plan to use hellbore against anything else

[sudden cedar]

I've heard that a lot of Ogryns used to be very chill. Before the update and rework.

Now everyone plays them and gets away with it.

Because it doesn't require as much skill as it used to.

[signal garden]

@steel surge id sooner struggle with 3 veterans than hear that stupid little'uns LARP from 3 dumbasses played by 3 likely irl dumbasses

[cyan verge]

lol

[silent bison]

I haven’t played ogryn since the changes :P

[buoyant pewter]

LOL

[steel surge]

3 academic degrees and ogryn main

[trim badger]

Don't attribute Malice to stupidity

Or so they say

[sudden cedar]

@trim badger I agree with that

[signal garden]

im of the opinion that by intelligence

like if you consider only the top 1% of players of a class

psyker has the highest intelligence

zealot and vet you can brute force with experience

[sudden cedar]

I wouldn't say so.

[plush kernel]

smykers be like:

[signal garden]

arbys and ogryn are so bottom of the barrel

[cyan verge]

psyker can get very complex and advanced it is true

[signal garden]

like i siad, top 1%

[narrow frost]

purg and smite take less then 1 braincell

[cyan verge]

I dunno I think zealot is at the bottom

[signal garden]

not smykers

[buoyant pewter]

Smite psykers entering the chat

[signal garden]

like DD psychopaths

[cyan verge]

have you seen #zealot-class

[sudden cedar]

If it would, i'd see more of them doing good. They don't.

[signal garden]

scriers peeps

[cyan verge]

they're the bottom

[trim badger]

Idk what is this supposed to mean tho

It's all build based not class based

[signal garden]

considering builds can require remarkable skill

[trim badger]

All classes have stupid broken OP builds that can bypass stuff bt brute force

[cyan verge]

he's trying to say that psyker has the highest skill ceiling and requires the greatest understanding of the game, at the high end

[buoyant pewter]

I think its a remark on general game sense and awareness

[silent bison]

Psyker just feels too squishy on high difficulty, but that totally could just be a skill issue for me

[signal garden]

and suck as soon as theyre in the wrong hands

[sudden cedar]

They dont feel too squishy.

They just are that.

[signal garden]

@silent bison like i said, when they do well you cant help but be like "damn"

[trim badger]

Well if that's so then vet has both builds that can brute force and builds that take "intelligence"

[sudden cedar]

By design.

[tame lodge]

I mean
They are the glass cannon
You're immortal if you never get hit though

[signal garden]

youre 100% on it, they are hard to play "ideally"

[sudden cedar]

@tame lodge Yup.

[signal garden]

contrast that to ogryn

[silent bison]

So you agree they’re squishy

[signal garden]

i spam muh left click

[cyan verge]

they are literally squishy by definition so yeah

[sudden cedar]

@silent bison Yes, but not "too squishy".

[signal garden]

good against everything

[trim badger]

Bubble + flamestaff is the easiest shit ever xddd

[sudden cedar]

They can't take much by design.

[signal garden]

and then naturally smykers some how manage to trigger perils or die in melee combat

[steel surge]

ogryn has big challenges, the foremost of which is called trapper

[signal garden]

but definitely the 99%

yeah must be hard to see the trapper through all that smoke

[sudden cedar]

Maybe because it is so easy, they never learn anything beyond that.

[silent bison]

I wonder if it would fee better if I played psyker but with a team communicating instead of randoms

[signal garden]

lol no

[sudden cedar]

So they will never learn how to handle themselves in melee. Not to kill stuff in melee, just survive.

[signal garden]

vermintide and darktide feel better at high diff

[sudden cedar]

@silent bison You probably would.

[silent bison]

Side step dodge 🗿

[signal garden]

its 4 people somewhat being coherent, communication was always trumped by game sense

[buoyant pewter]

In general the more team communication the better the experience, yes

[steel surge]

stairway

[signal garden]

you eventually learn to stop getting shot in the back of the head in VT2

[trim badger]

The list of big challenges:

• Trapper

Thanks for watching the video guys

[silent bison]

Shotgun/rock to head

[signal garden]

rumbler down/up the staircase

[steel surge]

dem crusher walls though between you and a trapper

[trim badger]

Sorry I'm a versus player in VT2 there's no FF there :)

[signal garden]

or freaking use your immensity and at the bottom of the staircase, swing up

the ol smack em through the floor technique

[silent bison]

Yeah ideally you have a team cause any of the specialists/ elites have a counter that working together clears em

[buoyant pewter]

Teamwork is OP

[silent bison]

🤝

[sudden cedar]

[steel surge]

inferno bubble psyker + ogryn is OP

Kill the specialists through the ogryn, ogryn melees the baddies

[trim badger]

Ogryn so braindead that mine is not even level 40 and already beat H40s

xddddd

They kinda overdid it with the buffs

[cyan verge]

my resources make me sad

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bVO8f.gif

[silent bison]

Hmm haven’t touched it since the rework, do they have like the highest survivability now or is that still zealots?

[buoyant pewter]

"WHERE DID ALL MY DIAMANTINE GO!?"

[trim badger]

16k melk points

[sudden cedar]

@silent bison Arbitrator/Ogryn

[trim badger]

I think I only have like 2k

[silent bison]

It’s always the diamantine

[buoyant pewter]

They're very hardy and can tank through a lot of goofy stuff, also insane stagger potential on so many things making them exceptionally safe.

I've not seen one H40 team lately without running 2xRumbler Ogryn in awhile due to it

[sudden cedar]

They exist, i can confirm.

[buoyant pewter]

Fair enough XD

[silent bison]

I gotta play a maelstrom match again to unlock it lol, only started playing again in the last week after a long break

[buoyant pewter]

Dooooo iiiiit

Get the rewaaaards

[cyan verge]

I played havoc at release, idk, I don't really want to do it again, I am sure it is still suffering

I got all the havoc gear and I was out

[buoyant pewter]

Fair, unless you like pushing that content there is no point in doing it.

[cyan verge]

it just isn't as interesting to me, the constraints are annoying

[buoyant pewter]

The modifiers?

Like Waning Light?

[cyan verge]

yes, but also ammo scarcity etc

[buoyant pewter]

Ahhhh

[cyan verge]

everyone being pigeonholed into specific builds too, kinda sucks

[covert fable]

shock maul and double barrel goes well together ngl

[buoyant pewter]

It's not as bad, will say. The ammo scarcity.

[buoyant pewter]

This bothers me, yeah

[cyan verge]

did they nerf havoc at all

[buoyant pewter]

Everyone has to run DS

If accessible

And it is boring

[sudden cedar]

No you don't.

[cyan verge]

or power sword if vet

rashad is good too maybe?

[sudden cedar]

Absolutely not.

[silent bison]

Ds?

[sudden cedar]

You have options. You think you don't, but you for sure have them.

[buoyant pewter]

I know I don't, I use knife, but people are in that "Oml why are you not using DS" bracket for random teams

[buoyant pewter]

Duelling sword.

[sudden cedar]

Let them be.

[silent bison]

I just personally like the duelling sword, but only on zealot

[covert fable]

would manstopper + scattershot be good on double barrel for vet?

[buoyant pewter]

Hyup! Its what I use with my Wep-Spec Vet for wave clear

It's very fun to watch a whole crowd of poxwalkers get gibbed instantly

[orchid hemlock]

Alright, my time has come 😈

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d67f64e-5960-41d8-bb1f-6e991d65ea76/main-character-syndrome-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[trim badger]

When the high difficulty guides you to use meta:

[covert fable]

nice thumbnail

[trim badger]

DS haters are just mad that they can't poke heads!!!1!!!

[silent bison]

I use melee for clearing hoards mostly

[buoyant pewter]

Nothing wrong with liking it

[tall torrent]

nah

[orchid hemlock]

In havocs? Nope not rly

[narrow frost]

taxe or nothing

[tame lodge]

Not taxe

[buoyant pewter]

The problem is that teams seem to still think this more often than not

[sudden cedar]

Meta Slaves.

[frank basin]

Lassy post

[buoyant pewter]

Letssss goooo

[covert fable]

how do you guys get that +3 stamina curio?

i keep finding +1 and +2

[frank basin]

Stamina rating must be 410

[silent bison]

I got one from the milkman

[frank basin]

Is rare

[orchid hemlock]

Heh 😏

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-the-milkman-milkman-psychonauts-milk-delicious-gif-15360002

[covert fable]

oh

[buoyant pewter]

Already answered, 410+ pwr on the Curio

[tall torrent]

doesn't mean they're right

[buoyant pewter]

I am in agreement with you.

[silent bison]

People will probably blame you not using the meta if you have even one bad game though I feel like

[frank basin]

One down meant they point you’re bad player

[orchid hemlock]

I have never seen this and I play high havocs

[frank basin]

Like path see me downed twice thinking I’m a bad player

[silent bison]

Didn’t claim it would for sure, I did say “I feel like” cause I haven’t played havocs and was making an assumption

[frank basin]

Havoc is not my plate

[buoyant pewter]

There is some of those types in Auric Maelstroms, tbf, who will rage quit if one person downs early or the like

[frank basin]

I got issue with teammate who looking best player only and blame look down average players

So I play regular mode is enough for me

[orchid hemlock]

If someone is telling that to you, look at their build

Show it to me and I'll roast it for you 😈

[silent bison]

Yeah exactly, I haven’t really played since the ogryn update so maelstroms were the highest difficulty I have experienced

[frank basin]

I’m still manage staying alive and keeping teammate up

[sudden cedar]

@buoyant pewter A very simply case of the problem removing itself.

https://tenor.com/brYN5.gif

[buoyant pewter]

Same thought process here XD

[orchid hemlock]

Auric maels are not hard

These guys are projecting blame onto everyone else

[buoyant pewter]

Hyup!

[sudden cedar]

If a difficulty is hard or not depends on the player.

[frank basin]

Even my friend never place medpack down at exercise vault and got vote kicking and called useless

[sudden cedar]

For some it is way out of reach, for others its a walk in the park.

[silent bison]

Also sometimes mistakes happen, a down or two will happen inevitably

[buoyant pewter]

What in the woooorld....

[sudden cedar]

Idiots being Idiots.

[frank basin]

He’s new, but he’s enjoying senseless slaughtering

His second character is psyker

First was vet

[orchid hemlock]

I can understand in very high havocs, that you want people to adjust their build to fill out some gaps in the team

But even at the highest level the majority of the game is still execution

[buoyant pewter]

Also its easy to 100 - 0 if you get caught out accidentally by some gunners, it happens to everyone every so often

Can't be robots and have 100% perfect play and decision making all the time

People expect that all too often

From others

[buoyant pewter]

I'm glad and I hope he gets much better teams going forward cause wow

[silent bison]

I find lower difficulty is worse for player interactions, have had more bad experiences in low difficulty than in high

[buoyant pewter]

That's generally been my experience in games like this or even ranked.

Anecdotal though, everyones gonna have a different experience XD

[silent bison]

True, I had a friend who was basically a teacher to me for darktide so playing with someone who’s experienced but also friendly is a great help

[sudden cedar]

Lower difficulties will for have worse player interactions, because.. and i might be exaggerating, but.. everyone there sucks at the game yet might think they are actually very good and their teammates are the problem

They get angry at them for what might very well be their own mistakes because that is easier

Truth is, they all might suck equally much.

[cyan verge]

sometimes you just get normies there who like don't really care about doing well they just want to kill some time

[sudden cedar]

And being bad at the game is totally fine, as long as you're having fun.

[buoyant pewter]

And not ruining someone elses fun while doing so (by being negative that is).

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

[steel surge]

@heavy rover thanks for the build. Just ran it in heresy, and I can understand why people either love or hate the hellbore. I see potential and I got tired of magdumping recons anyway. Any tips on what not to do with that build?

[frank basin]

He was 3 hp away and no wounds taken

That’s why he call my friend useless for not place medpack down

Cuz too busy killing ‘eretic

He enjoying senseless slaughter not give a shit about that guy

That’s what he is

Doesn’t care about being blocked

Not read chat = busy killing and tunnel vision

[frank basin]

It’s a veteran player

[heavy rover]

happy to help. I'd say stay aware of your positioning. It's easy to get tunnel vision while you focus on targets, and you'd end up left behind by the rest of your team. Also be aware of your pacing when fighting melee. The power sword is great and all but you need to get a feel for the rhythm when you have to charge up. When dealing with really big hordes, don't get too carried away with grenade spams. Always keep the last one just in case you need to make some quick breathing room. There's nothing wrong with taking a step back and letting, say, an ogryn take over for the crowd control

[covert fable]

#canthavefun

[frank basin]

My friend psyker got better playing at it, not like first time he died a lot

He say the force great sword is a perfect weapon

Am happy to hear

I like use fgs as delusional psyker wannabe zealot

[heavy rover]

Also, the moment you see any gunner, bomber, specialist, or any range enemy, you can assume to prioritize them

[frank basin]

I built habit prioritize threats

My friend just simply kill trash mob

And use EK stun elite

But he did manage kill gunners at melee range

Also some sniper he did too

With assail he make his own purpose tool to support

As he told me “you take big guys I’ll take smaller guy” as I play ogryn

[steel surge]

Good tips. I wonder how I'll ever get time to aim and take some shots in auric/havoc. As an ogryn main, I take great joy in shooting every gunner and reaper in sight with this build. Do you usually hipfire or take aim?

[frank basin]

Struggle killing mauler? I got his back

[frank basin]

Rumbler

Make explosive great again

Mega

[steel surge]

I'm playing veteran hellbore

[frank basin]

I read you play as ogryn

Main

[heavy rover]

i usually either do a shout, grenade at my feet, or dodge backwards altogether

[steel surge]

ogryn main but testing meta veteran builds to take that class to the next level. I hate gunners.

[frank basin]

Heavy stubber

[heavy rover]

at least with the mk iiia, the charge up time is fast enough that I can dodge backwards, pull out the helbore, take a charged shot, then get back to melee

[signal garden]

the meta as veteran is to swap off of veteran

[frank basin]

That your best pal

[orchid hemlock]

Nah vet is soo underrated

[steel surge]

I know what to do with my ogryn, don't worry.

[trim badger]

This happens even in Havoc 40

[signal garden]

i dont know about underrated

just rated

[steel surge]

this is what I'm trying to figure out. Vets seem to have almost become an endagered species.

[trim badger]

I have gotten abysmally dogshit teammates xdd

[sudden cedar]

@trim badger Of course it does. It might happen less tho.

[orchid hemlock]

You have a good Vet that actuallypicks off specialists

[trim badger]

Nope at least 40% of randoms in havoc need to be carried

[orchid hemlock]

You will see how much easier runs become

[steel surge]

Do you guys bind your tag key to lmb?

[signal garden]

until they fix the no-sound trapper i dont buy it

[trim badger]

Like at Havoc 40, I'd say around 30% of players are trash

[sudden cedar]

@trim badger Oh well.

[signal garden]

dude fuck people who do that

i cant hear myself think when its just

machinegun ping

[trim badger]

And anything between Havoc 20 and 40, 50% are trash

[signal garden]

and i say this as someone who responds to pings

[heavy rover]

nah, I bind it to my middle mouse

[signal garden]

i have to at least glance at it

[trim badger]

I use T

[orchid hemlock]

Paying attention of what is around you and what has spawned is like half the game

[signal garden]

and you have some spazz machinegun cycle pinging a mob of ragers

@orchid hemlock yeah which is a sound cue issue

until it isnt because sometimes theres still no sound cue

[orchid hemlock]

Not just for Vet, but it sometimes shocks me how little people are aware of what is actually on the map

[signal garden]

its been worse before, but it still exists

[orchid hemlock]

Sound for me seems to be fine

I think the issue is direction

[signal garden]

yeah except when it isnt

[trim badger]

I'd say he's underrated

Vet is better than Zealot in Havoc xddddd

When you try to minmax

[orchid hemlock]

Idk like I said, even if you can't hear them all the time, you should be looking around the moment you hear the spawn cue

[signal garden]

eeeeeeeeeeh

[orchid hemlock]

I honestly think it's a skill issue for deaf people 😈

[signal garden]

and like i said lol the spawn cue doesnt always play

especially when they pull a CREED maneuver and spawn really close

[orchid hemlock]

Spawn cues should always play, the issue usually is sounds of the actual model

I honestly think this is anecdotal

[signal garden]

shold you say

in a fatshark ame

game

SHOULD

a lot of things SHOULD happen

[orchid hemlock]

I am very aware of audio issues, the spawn audio is not one of them

[signal garden]

well lucky you i guess

[orchid hemlock]

When something spawns it always plays a specific queue on what spawned

[signal garden]

its true

[orchid hemlock]

Where it is is going to be directional audio from the model itself

[signal garden]

for me the directional is fine

[orchid hemlock]

Which has problems due to how the code prioritizes audio

[signal garden]

i may not have enough sound channels or something because i guaranteee you ive had more ghost trappers

than ive had mismatched direction issues

[orchid hemlock]

But if audio is such a problem with you, download the Spidey Sense mod

Very good mod for deaf people

Wish it was implemented into the game

[signal garden]

ah yes veteran works when you get training wheels

[silent bison]

I just play support vet, no complaints basically

[orchid hemlock]

This isn't specific to vet, everyone should be aware of the elites

[calm shard]

the only special i consistently have play no audio are poxbursters and tox bombers

[signal garden]

should

theres that word again

[fervent citrus]

im having some difficulty dealing with damnation level runs on this knife, am i just stupid or am i missing something

[signal garden]

things should work but this is a swedish game

[sudden cedar]

You could upgrade the weapon for starters.

[signal garden]

@true crypt power level is a biggish deal

[sudden cedar]

Sorry, empower.

[signal garden]

and 320 is going to be good for... well, diff 3

[orchid hemlock]

I am saying that knowing where specialists are at all times is useful for all classes, is this ragebaiting?

[silent bison]

I haven’t had no audio glitches since I started playing again this week, have had weird lag/disconnects only on the train level for some reason though

[sudden cedar]

@orchid hemlock Seems like it

[fervent citrus]

yet my 340 power bolt psitol is having no problems

...k

[tame lodge]

You're..... Not being serious.
Right?

[signal garden]

thats because the bolt pistol has high base damage

[orchid hemlock]

Ok THIS is ragebaiting 😈

[tame lodge]

However, if you are

Empower that shit

[fervent citrus]

ive been putting off empowering my stuff because i just cannot find diamantine for the life of me for some reason

[tame lodge]

Replace lacerate

[cyan verge]

that's just how diamantine be like

[orchid hemlock]

Be honest, is this picture bait?

[fervent citrus]

no

[silent bison]

Like I said earlier, it’s always the diamantine 😔

[orchid hemlock]

It's hard to tell at this point

[trim badger]

I mean to be fair you should be able to do damnation with the 320 knife but it'll be harder

[orchid hemlock]

Ok are you asking for the blessings, perks, or stats?

[trim badger]

Especially since the MK3 is reliant on constantly hitting headshots

[cyan verge]

it'll be doable but yeah maxing out rating helps a bit

[trim badger]

With heavies

[tame lodge]

Lacerates holding you back

[fervent citrus]

yeah lacerate hasnt felt that good

[sudden cedar]

Riposte/Uncanny?

[tame lodge]

Uncanny + Riposte/Precognition

[fervent citrus]

the fuck was this grenade build on gameslantern thinking saying to put lacerateo n the knife

[trim badger]

I wish we had relentless strikes on knife 💔

[orchid hemlock]

Wait is this highly rated? I want to roast it 😈

[trim badger]

Well clearly that's a bleed DoT build

[fervent citrus]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da01edf-f8d2-4364-9ae1-19595f9feba2/big-doms-grenade-veteran-havoc-40-team-build

[covert fable]

i have lost every single twins game since i took off the dueling sword

[trim badger]

Yup, bleed DoT build

[silent bison]

Could be an old build

[barren cave]

How do you horde clear with knife

[narrow frost]

I wouldnt use lac uncanny for awhile

[fervent citrus]

5 months ago

[cyan verge]

just be good? idk

[narrow frost]

it only gets the best value if you can always maintain 5 stacks and use the attack pattern

to benefit lac

[fervent citrus]

i supposed the reasoning was that the bleed would be able to horde clear

and dot the big enemies

[orchid hemlock]

Tanner Build located

[sudden cedar]

[trim badger]

It can, mostly

[trim badger]

But you have the mk3

[tame lodge]

Push Attack spam

Or Crits

[trim badger]

The guide is mk6 knife

[fervent citrus]

Ah.

[trim badger]

Mk6 knife has better light pattern

[tame lodge]

No Precision

[orchid hemlock]

Knife does the majority of the damage from headshots

And lacerate only procs from body shots

[fervent citrus]

shit i missed that

[tame lodge]

💀

[fervent citrus]

alright guess i gotta find a better grenade build cause this one i couldve sworn was the most recent and up-to-date one

[silent bison]

How are you doing the twins mission? I stopped seeing it in the mission terminal ages ago

[trim badger]

Its a grenade build why taking close drill order + confirmed kill 😭

[orchid hemlock]

Born leader 😏

[trim badger]

My teammates should SURVIVE ON THEIR OWN WRAAA

I'm already giving them gold toughness

Such babies if they need more

[cyan verge]

I have had orthus offensive multiple times in the past couple days

I had it on AURIC today

[narrow frost]

scary

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1269791447037640798/1398819646328672366/boomboomb.gif

[fervent citrus]

yeah this build is the first thing if you look up veteran, bolt pistol, most relevant

so what the fuck

[narrow frost]

gameslantern moment

[tame lodge]

Welcome to games Lantern

[narrow frost]

its not a good site to just scroll though and copy

most are outdated or just terrible builds

[fervent citrus]

oh

[silent bison]

I always ask in here instead cause literally anyone can make a build on there

[trim badger]

What are you exactly trying to achieve as vet

[fervent citrus]

damnit the one time i thought i should look there and not ask here

[fervent citrus]

grenade

bolt pistol + grenade = big kabloomies

[orchid hemlock]

Tbh games lantern has been the root of misinformation for a very long time

I'm surprised nothing has addressed it

[trim badger]

Yeah probably filter bolt pistol and vet in the builds and you'll find an updated one

[fervent citrus]

anyway lesson learned i'll be constantly asking here from now on despite i didnt want to in fear of being EXTREMELY ANNOYING lmao

[cyan verge]

it's fine...

[orchid hemlock]

Just read the guide

[fervent citrus]

fuck i might just audit gameslantern builds here

[cyan verge]

yeah that would help most, read guide

[orchid hemlock]

https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

[fervent citrus]

like this one https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e6bf47c-87cf-42a3-8a4c-c0679bd218d5/the-grenade-veteran-havoc-40-build-ps-bp

[cyan verge]

if you need build you can probably just ask here instead of using gameslantern

like this ahem, I need a build for havoc 40 with helbore mk IV

[orchid hemlock]

You can use games lantern as a template

Share your build and then we can adjust it

[fervent citrus]

ok well i jsut wanna make a veteran grenade build

if i cant do that then whatever i'll go back to my laspistol build and go on with my day despite i wanna move away from that build because it's starting to be like a narcotic

[cyan verge]

just take uh, grenade regen, the... the elite... killer... grenade... and then um you are done basically

[fervent citrus]

its too addicting

[orchid hemlock]

What kind of grenade?

[silent bison]

The discord exists for help and communication between players, people shouldn’t mind you asking for help, it’s a big part of the community

[cyan verge]

use shredders

[sudden cedar]

Elite Killer Grenade sounds almost like Kraks.

[fervent citrus]

i figured the best grenade is the frag

apply big bleed, damage lots of enemies

its been useful

[heavy rover]

here ya go, just swap the helbore to mk iv https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-havoc

[cyan verge]

thanks

[heavy rover]

[cyan verge]

see that's all you gotta do

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d977d0c-17df-4db4-bf9a-33a60111274d/grenada11?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[fervent citrus]

the infantry gun

uh huh

so what is it false that the lethal proximity blessing doesnt increase the grenade aoe

[cyan verge]

the IAG is fantastic

[trim badger]

I only type a few sentences xddd

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f58a4ba-9a0c-4cec-8d03-9f4535122a62/dream-vet-havoc-40?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Very silly

[narrow frost]

lethal proximity blessing does increase grenade aoe

[sudden cedar]

It does increase grenade blast radius

[orchid hemlock]

The range weapon isn't that important here, this is tbh a meme build

Because for frags you really just need 2 nodes:

DEMO stock
DEMO team

Everything else is just there to make it slightly better

[tall torrent]

twinned blast good for havoc

[orchid hemlock]

NO PATH NOT AGAIN

[fervent citrus]

so the bolt pistol isn't the best possible option, it's just a option

cause every other option's just fine

[trim badger]

What people are willing to take just to skip on Focus Target...

[fervent citrus]

but toher than that why columnus

[tall torrent]

it just is

[tall torrent]

I take WS

[trim badger]

In Havoc... Kinda wild

[tall torrent]

u can afford 1 keystone pretty easily

[tall torrent]

I don't play DS

[narrow frost]

oof

[trim badger]

I don't think you need DS for focus to be best keystone xdd

[orchid hemlock]

What's wrong with autoguns?

[fervent citrus]

im just wondering why columnus and not vraks

[tall torrent]

nah, it's not required

it's just good, not much more

[buoyant pewter]

Same, its been weirdly common?

[silent bison]

So idk my helbore probably just sucks, it’s one I had in my inventory for ages but it takes 3 fully charged shots (1100~ dmg/shot) to take down a crusher on damnation in the meat grinder

[calm shard]

Mk IIIa without investing heavily into damage for it does take 3 shots to kill crushers

[buoyant pewter]

Didn't expect to see a Aventurine meme in here but welcome none the less XD

[calm shard]

Mk IV also barely takes 3 without some of the more universal damage boosts like Superiority/Bring It Down

[fervent citrus]

cause like

Vraks Mk V i just spits and spits and spits

[buoyant pewter]

This is why I run Armourbane, it helps a lot

[orchid hemlock]

You can take whatever you want, the only recommendation is at least one of your weapons can take out armored targets since frags are bad into armor

[tall torrent]

armorbane not worth

[buoyant pewter]

Really?

Would then Salvo be better?

[orchid hemlock]

Vraks is great for sure, but the other 2 autoguns are still great

[sudden cedar]

Graia

[tall torrent]

helbore's ADMs are generally high and u prob shouldn't rely on ranged vs carapace

[tame lodge]

That's it
I'm running S M O K E S with it

[tall torrent]

it does nothing to help u 1 tap things better (helbore's primary function) or to chunk bosses harder (helbore's secondary function)

[orchid hemlock]

Double the koosh

[buoyant pewter]

So its better to just run Revolver than instead in that case and save Helbore just for the Specialist sniping

And Boss damage

[covert fable]

Random queue

I keep getting it idk why

[tall torrent]

I personally don't think ranged anti-carapace is worth outside of like 2 guns lol

[orchid hemlock]

Ok but what if I want to pew pew? 😈

[tame lodge]

2 guns

Simple as

[heavy rover]

use armourbane on helbore then

[buoyant pewter]

Fair enough XD
I like it sometimes for when I want to pick off carapace out of crowd sometimes.

[heavy rover]

if you want less pew pew and more PEW, then mk iv helbore

[orchid hemlock]

To me being able to take out the specialists thru a horde is more important than armor pen

[silent bison]

Ah I’m using my melee mainly for crowd clear and was gonna use gun to pick off bigger single targets so was looking for a good anti carapace gun

[orchid hemlock]

Are there ranged carapace? 🤔

[heavy rover]

the helbore is good anti-carapace

[orchid hemlock]

New elite????????

[silent bison]

What are you talking about

[heavy rover]

does the reaper count?

[buoyant pewter]

Helbore and Plasma, Revolver with crit-rending are your best bets then Mouse!

[orchid hemlock]

They have cara on the shoulder

[silent bison]

I never mentioned ranged carapace

[barren cave]

What perks on vet mk4 ds

[orchid hemlock]

You mentioned that you want to "pick off" cara enemies

Unless there is some new elite I am not aware of, all cara enemies will close the gap onto you

[tall torrent]

No

Boltgun
Ext8 shotgun

Only ones rly worth

[barren cave]

I'm assuming it's Cara and something

[tall torrent]

Revolver shooting at crusher is wasteful and ur prob gonna kill enough before u have to reload unless u meme build

[calm shard]

is one of them the helbore

oh yeah boltgun

[tall torrent]

No

[calm shard]

that makes sense

[buoyant pewter]

Ext8 Shotgun for the slug I assume?

[tall torrent]

I don’t do meme builds

Ext8 shotgun is not slug

[orchid hemlock]

Ur missing out

[silent bison]

Yeah out of a crowd, its easy they’re taller than the fodder, skill issue? Just shoot then start swinging again

[buoyant pewter]

Sorry thinking Combat shotgun

Think Agripinaa

[calm shard]

how could you

[orchid hemlock]

You should be saving the shots for things you can't melee

[silent bison]

Why would I want to be in melee with a crusher

[calm shard]

to kill them with your power sword

or dueling sword or knife or

[calm shard]

whatever other melee

[orchid hemlock]

To kill them

[buoyant pewter]

Cause a lot of the time you will not have a choice the higher you go up in difficulty, and it saves you ammo by melee killing them over using a gun.

[orchid hemlock]

The only elite you should be worried about in melee are ragers

Even then there are ways to deal with them

[silent bison]

In the groups of 3+ crushers that swing at different times it’s way simpler to take them out quickly before you get into melee

[buoyant pewter]

When they pile in like that, your best bet is to kite back if you can or rotate and farm the crowd first

[barren cave]

Is ds4 Cara maniac or Cara unyielding or Cara elite

[safe violet]

Except when they're hiding behind/inside the hitbox of a bulwark

[buoyant pewter]

shakes fist at the metal wall

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/13477245895872912795/A5BAD6396D6B146A2058C884E96CB5F0D33CB0F9/

[silent bison]

Grenade 👍

[buoyant pewter]

Go Go Gadget Powersword Block-Strike!

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/NjSEZcW just shoot them over the shield 👍

[tall torrent]

best anti-carapace gun is ext8 shotgun

[orchid hemlock]

Even with range weapons, this doesn't solve the problem

Because if they are closing the gap you probably only have time to maybe kill one at best

It's much better to either use melee tools or CC them

[tall torrent]

u can 2 tap them real far away lol

[silent bison]

Backstep?

[orchid hemlock]

Crushers are not nearly as scary as people think they are

[fervent citrus]

i wonder how viable triple barrel shotgun is

[narrow frost]

its good

[orchid hemlock]

Kill them

Dodge obviously, but that is the same for any enemy in melee

[silent bison]

Positioning is a huge advantage if you know what your doing and have awareness of your position, if you just face ram every situation that’s fine but I don’t

[cyan verge]

I dunno I can handle crowds of crushers easily, I just kite and stab in face

[buoyant pewter]

@silent bison If you really wanna be ranged only, use this with a Recon-Lasgun and you can burn through a Crusher really quite well; https://darktide.gameslantern.com/abilities/onslaught

Cause it scales your burn, your main damage, AND your allies damage against them

But yeah, that is if you wanna use a Recon Lasgun build for it

Which will be a bit suboptimal due to having to go down that side of the rightmost tree to an extent

[calm shard]

onslaught is kind of a meme

[orchid hemlock]

Ur a meme 😈

[calm shard]

way too expensive for a talent that only helps with o n e enemy

when you could just like

use a gun that's good against carapace already

[buoyant pewter]

It is, but is an option for Mouse if they really wanna use it

[calm shard]

like the helbore, bolter, etc.

vraks infantry autogun

[silent bison]

Like obviously I’m not only using the gun when I see crushers, but it would be nice if said gun I’m using is also effective against them

[buoyant pewter]

Which is fair

[orchid hemlock]

Nah I've developed a new love of it with the recon In havocs

Being able to debuff any enemy with the nasty buffs without having to remark with FT makes it very easy to pick off everything

Plus it gives you a stamina Regen in the path so I don't think it is completely wasteful

And it amplifies infernus

Which really struggles into armor

[tall torrent]

uh

what

[tame lodge]

Fire vs carapace

[orchid hemlock]

Fire

[buoyant pewter]

Any form of rending, affects Bleed and Fire dots

[orchid hemlock]

The dot from infernus

[buoyant pewter]

Yee

[orchid hemlock]

DOTS in general struggle into armor

[buoyant pewter]

It's why so many builds use Uncanny carrying melee weapons if using Shredder nades

[tall torrent]

uh