veteran-class

[signal garden]

its hideous

if most games have kinda have it

that doesnt make it acceptable

just because its a standard

[long dove]

hell when I was in beta for WoWsI got a flag and a (overpowered) Tier 4 battleship

[open ravine]

The devs of speed freekz gave the game free to us people who beta tested

[long dove]

Okay that's cool

Wish more did that

[signal garden]

you know whats not cool

having a big ass BETA label dead on, center of mass painted on your head

like holy shit

[long dove]

I mean yeah the helmet is crappy but I honestly wasn't expecting much

[signal garden]

theres not much

[long dove]

Dude I think you're just wanting to be angry for the sake of being angry

[signal garden]

i think youre being defensive

for the sake of being defensive

reverse uno

checkmate

[open ravine]

I was surprised they did that as I just applied randomly to their alpha testing of the game and got lucky and expected that to be it but it released and it was still there in my steam games

[long dove]

huh, neat, I might look them up just cause of that

[narrow frost]

Why is the Dueling Caber so bad? I'm used to the devil claw that can mow through horde, and easily parry the bigger boys, but this stick cant do anything

[signal garden]

small price to pay for invincibility

[sudden cedar]

[signal garden]

and deleting bosses

[long dove]

Except I'm not? I don't care about the helmet, I'm just not digging so deep into it I'm hitting China

[signal garden]

and elites

[long dove]

The Poke of Destiny

[open ravine]

Its a 40k orks Death race game

[signal garden]

@long dove youre the one trying to accuse me of starting a fight over something i think is ugly

why are you defending it so hard

did you design it lol

am i hurting your fee fees

[long dove]

Okay I think I'm sold on it lol

[signal garden]

by shitting on an ugly ass helmet

[long dove]

Except that's not what you did lol

[signal garden]

thats exactly what i did

[sudden cedar]

Can you two agree on the fact that you have different opinions and leave it at that?

[signal garden]

if you want to read between the lines then thats youre problem

[calm shard]

It was a "consolation" gift for the abominably bad state of the game during the beta phase of the game

[long dove]

"fatshark despising its consumerbase"

That's not shitting on the helmet dude.

[sudden cedar]

I am convinced neither will make the other see their point of view, so agree to disagree.

[calm shard]

That was given during the peak of community contempt towards Fatshark

[signal garden]

"gaaah someone hasnt upset me today, i better grasp at straws"

[open ravine]

A bit of a niche game saddly and not quite as fleshed out as I think it should be but its fun and very orky

[signal garden]

yeah thats my interpretation of what the helmet does lol

[calm shard]

Most people saw it as an insult

I still kind of do, but hey I have a nice novelty for it

[sudden cedar]

Why exactly is it an insult?

[long dove]

Oh no I wholeheartedly agree the helmet is ass lol. I just disagree on them hating us and his deep dive into why the helmet shows it

[calm shard]

It was a response to the community's complaints about the state of the beta, and probably more specifically the lack of earnable cosmetics

And the state of the cash shop

[long dove]

Will prolly look at youtube for it then.

[long dove]

I mean isn't that you and this game? Everytime I see you you're bitching about something

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/brYN5.gif

[long dove]

One of the best sound bites ever

[sudden cedar]

@long dove Usable in a lot of situations.

[steep flower]

they have value; one must find it tho for yourself - i did and my friend

[long dove]

Prolly something like "They fucked it all up and all we get is a shitty helmet" type deal.

[long dove]

agreed

[signal garden]

Every time? What are you stalking me you got nothing better to do?

[long dove]

Look at him go

[sudden cedar]

@long dove Yeah okay.. and? I get the feeling that someone is searching for trouble cause their ain't any trouble. For me at least.

[long dove]

Potato at this moment

[steep flower]

bosses

[long dove]

I mean yeah I don't care either. I just got the helmet and thought "neat" and that's it lol

[sudden cedar]

@long dove Exactly. It is just.. there. I generally don't like helmets, so.. yeah.

[signal garden]

You would know seeing as how you pay so much attention to me

[long dove]

I like helmets, especially when they alter the voices

[sudden cedar]

Sure thing. I can see why there is an appeal to it. Not for me tho.

[hybrid plover]

well that too, but admittedly that wouldn't be a specific reason to take kraks for me

especially since you only get two base

[steep flower]

i think its neat, especially for ogryn who has barely any good choice for helmets outside real money ones

[long dove]

Even then it's sparse

[steep flower]

Pepega

[sudden cedar]

🍿

[long dove]

also Havoc is still another day in the Ball Crushing Factory

[steep flower]

well; my friend who i dubbed 'Krakmeister' does some magic with them and i do mean it (srsly if we play one day you need to see it )

[signal garden]

Oh wow game is only marketed at men now smh don't mansplain the difficulty some people don't have balls to crush

[steep flower]

I like it but then again i'm masochistic

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Very good Kraks.

[steep flower]

and recorded too so no pepega may say 'nah you fooling'

[open ravine]

The 3 penance ones from the season pass like section and havoc penances are decent but do require a bit of grinding

[sudden cedar]

Whatever it takes. Kraks deserve better.

[steep flower]

they are but its still quite limiting...

[long dove]

It's like he's trying to use words of some sort

[signal garden]

5 kraks, no fuse, magnetize to bosses, deal weak spot damage if you aim high, replenish every 2 carapace enemies killed

[sudden cedar]

Same with Zealot Flame Grenades and Stun Grenades.

[open ravine]

well all the classes got that issue because Fatshark for commissary exists

And only filled it with reskins/recolours

[signal garden]

Reskins is one thing, lazy recolors is another

No red bolt pistol in fire waste shade red

[steep flower]

Oh no; i think we may have broken him a little

[signal garden]

Well it wouldn't even be unbalanced in havocs, let alone all scab no ammo

How would you rebalance the carapace version of the throwing knife

[steep flower]

if grenades would do weakspot dmg... omg...

[signal garden]

Not grenades, just kraks

Literally would only be relevant vs bosses

Which it is mid against since it can miss

[steep flower]

the krak don't miss; YOU do

[signal garden]

Yeah?

One infested can deflect it

It can miss

It has poor AoE

[steep flower]

aim higher; poxer ain't taller than a chaos spawn

[signal garden]

Still, no part damage for what ends up being a throwing knife with no cleavr

You're acting like a 2 charge grenade with zero AoE in a game where ogryns can beat a boss to death in seconds, is unbalanced

[open ravine]

Kraks just need their fuse reduced by 2 thirds and they will be S tier as thier issue isn't damage but the fact in the time it takes to blow you and your teammates can dish out enough damage to kill anything under a boss

[signal garden]

And it's already useless vs shielded bosses if the shield is up

[narrow frost]

Kraks don't need to be buffed or changed

[steep flower]

comparing kraks to throwing knife is like comparing potatoes to toothpicks

[signal garden]

Both have no AoE

Both are effectivrly single target

[long dove]

I do love how it's damn near impossible to miss a carapace enemy with a Krak

[cloud rock]

I came in

[steep flower]

Disagree; base number should be 3; they did it for ogryn box; they could do it for kraks... also shorter fuse time, just a little

[cloud rock]

And all I see on my screen is fucking “three kraks no fuse”

That’s just

[open ravine]

Love it when you aim for the crusher and it sticks to the enemy to your side

[cloud rock]

An impact grenade

[signal garden]

Actually a good simple change would be the bolter explode death mass stagger

[long dove]

Fucking magnets man, how do they work?

[steep flower]

fuse should exist; but the 3 capacity needs to happen imo

[steel veldt]

how is Assault Chainsword on Vet?

[cloud rock]

That’s why I run up and slap it on the crusher

[cloud rock]

Yes absolutely

[signal garden]

@steel veldt mid

[steep flower]

ok... just ok... and i'm being positive

[cloud rock]

Good nuff

[signal garden]

Goated in malice

[long dove]

I like it.

[steel veldt]

I tried it with bolt pistol, it was fun

[cloud rock]

I don’t use it cause I like the meme of shovel bonking

As admittedly useless as it is damage wise

[open ravine]

The chainsword is okay but has definitely has be power crept by everything else

[long dove]

Shovel seems to work well for me

[cloud rock]

Combat knife is good too

Depending on what you’re trying to pull off

[steel veldt]

I primarily use combat knife

[steep flower]

i like it too

[open ravine]

Chain weapons are suffering at the moment as they just don't kill quick enough and the sawing action leave you to vulrenable while you are in that animations which only does a proper damage burst at the end.

[steel veldt]

oh that's how they work?

Guess I won't use it anymore lol

[cloud rock]

It is funny though

[signal garden]

Knife is good but feels bad if you're a vet without the stamina relics

[cloud rock]

Knife is based for commando themed loadouts too

[signal garden]

One mistake with blocking y and you're a daisy

@cloud rock I wish we got a poisoned plade

[open ravine]

It does an okay tick during the saw but the real damage is the burst at the end

[steel veldt]

why? blocking?

[signal garden]

New auxiliary next dlc, the jungle fighter

Because you have base 3 stamina on that thing, and vet sucks at regaining stamina

[long dove]

I didn't ahve a problem with the Knife without stam curios

[open ravine]

Also sometimes enemies will ignore the saw stagger and still attack you

[cloud rock]

I need a fucking actual katachan DLC

[hollow ibex]

Stam is an issue if you want max dps single target damage on mk6 knife

Otherwise knife stam on vet is totally fine

[cloud rock]

and also maybe a scion DLC

[open ravine]

Vet is the scion

[signal garden]

Right the jungle fighter would be like the size of a small ogryn and run at a passive sprint

[cloud rock]

Mmmmno

[signal garden]

@open ravine no backpack battery no scion

[cloud rock]

No carapace no scion

[signal garden]

No carapace armor no scion

[cloud rock]

They have the beret tho

[open ravine]

Maybe one day but not yet

[long dove]

Make one of the weapons be just bare knuckles

[cloud rock]

So give them that

[barren cave]

How to build mk4 duelling sword? Perks , blessings and dump Stat?

[hollow ibex]

Check pins

HOTE guide

[steel veldt]

Also I HATE ragers.

[cloud rock]

Add a ranger knuckle guard knife themed skin too

And Damascus for the devil sword

[cloud rock]

RAGER

[signal garden]

Enraged ragers, the combat knifes number one weakness as a non staggering weapon

[long dove]

When anger has an extra step

[signal garden]

Not that staggering is possible in havocs on enraged unstaggrrable ragers

[long dove]

oh yeah I know. It's a pain

[steel veldt]

difference between combat axe and tactical axe?

[long dove]

also completely off topic but since when do phones have the option to turn off Amber Alerts?

[long dove]

One's tactical

[steel veldt]

no way

[long dove]

I know right?

sorry but that felt to funny to pass up

[tame lodge]

Combat Axe hits harder, slower
Tactical shit is faster, doesn't hit as hard

[steel veldt]

which is considered better to level for my time

[long dove]

whatever tickles your pickle more

[fair jay]

Both because why not

[steel veldt]

I guess I'll do tactical first

then combat

[steep flower]

tbh; if it would affect all chain weapons i would agree... but it does not

[barren cave]

mk4 duelling sword dumps cleave dmg?

[tame lodge]

Mobility personally

Cleave Damage loses unarmored damage

For some reason

[barren cave]

pinned guide says cleave dmg

i dunno

i have one with mob one with cleave dumped

[open ravine]

?

[fair jay]

That’s the beautiful thing you can dump a stat that is different than what everyone says to

It might even be a good idea sometimes but probably not

[barren cave]

also are both built with cara maniac and uncanny precog

[steep flower]

if you wanna know more about chain weapons i can show ya tomorrow

[tame lodge]

Any combination of Uncanny Riposte Precognition

[steel veldt]

sure

[tame lodge]

It'll work

[steep flower]

I can explain tomorrow if you wish

[barren cave]

why does it say dump cleave dmg at all, isnt mob still worse?

[steep flower]

I added ya; will ping once i will be available

[signal garden]

Tacax is better on vet than combat axe is

[open ravine]

Does chain axe equally spread its saw damage

[signal garden]

Combat axe feels so bad on vet

Then again combat axe plays different so it's a preference thing

[long dove]

Taxe feels awful to me

Feels like Im slapping them with a noodle

[signal garden]

If had to suggest combat axe play it would revolve around classic wermintide play

[tame lodge]

Because it doesn't affect cleave at all

[signal garden]

Get a figure 8 going

[steep flower]

like all chain weapons sawwing dmg is equal; the final tick is the massive hit and its separate

[tame lodge]

Only unarmored damage

[steep flower]

but i will speak & show more about them tomorrow if you wanna

[long dove]

I like Caxe cause it feels better to me and I get the satisfying weight on strikes

[barren cave]

okay, im gonna do mk4 ds with mob dumped, precog, uncanny and cara maniac, that should be fine right?

[open ravine]

I feel like a massive buff to chain would be to take that final tick and spread it across all ticks

also make saw just cleave through anything non elite/ special

[signal garden]

Combat axe is slower paced and tacax is a more modern "get in there and bail yourself out with stamina"

So it's just play style preference

30% wkspot is less felt than zealot's 50% crit and weak spot on dodge though

Especially when going toe to toe with bosses

[long dove]

Idk I usually prefer slower harder hitting weapons than faster pin prick weapons. Recon Las being a notable exception

[steep flower]

it can on evicerator

[signal garden]

Tacax hits hard though

[long dove]

Oh I know, I just don't get the feeling of hitting hard

I feel like it's more wild flailing

than meaty whacks

[open ravine]

Yeah but it should be universal because being stuck sawing a non elite is painful

[steel veldt]

the damage is barely different, so light attacks dear higher DPS, so should I ever heavy attack?

[signal garden]

The constant critting sound of the crit bonus begs to differ

Tac ax sounds as mean as it's damage output

@steel veldt heavy attacks exist literally because zealot has a talent for heavy attacks lmao

[steep flower]

for chainsword that would be good; chainaxe... maybe too? Basically if its a swipe it should be like that but if its an overhead/stab then no

[signal garden]

Same for psyker, otherwise you're 100% correct taxe be weird like that

[long dove]

Who knows I may not be utilizing the Taxe properly. But so far I just enjoy the Caxe more cause to me it feels like it has more weight to the swings.

[steel veldt]

So I was being stupid for heavy attacking with my knife on carapace people?

[steep flower]

but ye cool ideas brotha; i respect it

[signal garden]

No not really it's just that taxe lights vs heavies barely have a difference on carapacr

A base light knife attack does jack shit to carapacr

[long dove]

also what is the actual dump state for the knife? I hear like 3 different options lol

[calm shard]

mobility

literally everything else is essential to the damage

first target massively affects your damage dealt

[long dove]

I've heard mobility, damage, an penetration

[calm shard]

finesse massively affects the weakspot damage

[long dove]

as dump options

[calm shard]

damage affects the damage

[signal garden]

60% mobility and 80% both have 5 effective dodges

[calm shard]

penetration massively affects armor damage

[steel veldt]

So when should I light, when should I heavy? Because I would light hordes, heavy anything higher than trash mobs

[long dove]

yeah and I heard damage only gives you like 3 points extra

[tame lodge]

Always

[calm shard]

heavy everything with the Mk VI

[tame lodge]

Your optimal combo is push attack heavy

[signal garden]

Tacax literally just heavy if you want to proc the relevant talents, otherwise just lights

[steel veldt]

man every weapon has a different moveset and different reasons to light and heavy

how will I learn all this shit alone

[signal garden]

Don't think of it as a chore

You should master every weapon

Max them out, see what they don't do

[long dove]

Honestly repetition

[calm shard]

like this

the only things you can't learn alone are talents and blessings tbh

mostly because they're wrong, withhold information, or are bugged

or some combination of all 3

[steel veldt]

I maxed out relic blade almost, still no idea how to use it other than what I described with "light hordes, heavy specials/elites"

[open ravine]

Don't, be a light spamer with the power sword

[long dove]

Okay so with psword active I heavy?

[signal garden]

Relic blade has the most nonsense moveset I've ever felt

[frigid shuttle]

that overkill damage

[long dove]

I love the running stab though.

[signal garden]

One attack

[frigid shuttle]

relic blade moveset is amazing

[signal garden]

The light and heavy chains are a mess

[frigid shuttle]

mk10

[long dove]

I'm not commenting on the other attacks I just really love that one

[frigid shuttle]

not as good as arby smaul

[open ravine]

Nah more light

[frigid shuttle]

but very great

[signal garden]

I say this as someone who's favorite moveset is Kruber exe sword

[long dove]

I felt like the Heavy was slow and not as useful

[tall torrent]

I can send u moveset flowcharts of most veteran-available melee weapons

[signal garden]

And no, I think the eviscerator equivalent is dog shit

[steel veldt]

I main Zealot funnily enough so I'd need that too

[open ravine]

The relic has an amazing move set

[calm shard]

consult the MOVESET CHART for OPTIMAL GAMEPLAY

[tall torrent]

well it'll take me a while to get anywhere near that

[open ravine]

Power is strong but one of the most boring weapons in the game

[signal garden]

Tedious

[tall torrent]

power sword VI

[steel veldt]

Why not

[tall torrent]

power sword III

[signal garden]

PS block-stab-overhead-slash is a goated canopener combo tho

[open ravine]

Sorry forgot to add a , after don't

[long dove]

I like it honestly, I just spam powered lights cause Ifeel itgets the job done faster

[long dove]

Hell yeah where's the combo so i can Haduken?

[signal garden]

Power sword power toggle into light flurry has got to be the worst feeling combo loop in the game

Especially now that it chains instead of resets the combo

[open ravine]

Yeah which is boring and the way it works just makes no sense to not powered attack with it

[tall torrent]

just block cancel lol

[signal garden]

True but then I'll have to charge

Namely the charge 123 charge overhead

[long dove]

True, the Sapper Mk I is prolly the weapon I love heavy attacking with the most

[signal garden]

Wtf I don't want to overhead

[tall torrent]

this doesn't happen when u block cancel

[signal garden]

0its true, it also didn't used to happen at all

[long dove]

wait hitting the power button just keeps the combo chaining

[signal garden]

They implemented that for QoL in the crusher maul

[long dove]

I thought I was just going insane or fucking up the combo

[signal garden]

But all that does it make the ps feel jankier

[long dove]

Jesus that explains SO MUCH

[tall torrent]

the combo normally includes a block cancel during the power up animation

[long dove]

Thank you for that

[tall torrent]

u would never interact with it in the first place

[long dove]

I know that part

[tall torrent]

if u do then u didn't block cancel lol

[long dove]

but I meant after the 3 hits

I was hitting the 3rd swing and hitting the power button and it swings again

[tall torrent]

power up again, block cancel, ur back to L1 L2 L3

if u don't, then u didn't block cancel proper

it is that simple

[long dove]

no I mean, I 'd got 1 2 3 power but when I hit power it just makes it go back to 1 2 3 without powering up

like the power button activates another swing

[signal garden]

New keystone, special weapon specialist

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/13648072667372673352/5C9447A58C4370D6946EB9007D3C499046EF1D4C/

[signal garden]

Make chain sword goated (mini shred), power sword less janky, shmaul Arby's shockmaul, and chain axe fast

[long dove]

that's not what Im talking about

[tall torrent]

wat is it then

[long dove]

also I need to practice doing that faster

[long dove]

I've explained it like 3-4 times my dude

[tall torrent]

this?

like, in this?

[long dove]

No

Just don't worry about it

[junior grail]

How reliable is reassuringly accurate blessing?

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/heres-the-fun-part-bustle-it-gets-better-lets-have-fun-heres-the-best-part-gif-19881812

[covert fable]

My brain fucking exploded looking at this

[tall torrent]

I think this is the most complex moveset chart I've made yet

[ember nest]

the plasma gun should be made into Vet's rightful grenade launcher

[tame lodge]

Why not
You know
An actual grenade launcher

[vernal harbor]

plasma on scroll wheel auto fire

[past stratus]

looking at this and realizing that 99% I do Special + light spam or Special + poke and rarely ever bother with anything else 😔

[barren cave]

Is mk3 helbore good

Also what perks and blessings on it

[tropic notch]

Ainz never sent me his tax axe vet!

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-falling-down-stairs-gif-5462499368330342031

[fossil lake]

"Target apprehended"

[heavy rover]

yes. For perks I'd say unarmoured + maniac. Blessings are surgical and your choice for 2nd blessing

I personally like running armourbane

[narrow widget]

then tax vet harder to make up for that

[barren cave]

What's the difference in the hellbore marks

And which is the best

[narrow widget]

IIIa and IV are both good
differences are mostly down to firing speed and per shot damage

[hollow ibex]

They’re all good but III and IV are preferred over V atm

[past stratus]

IV is the most efficient mark, III is a good starting point

[barren cave]

Does 4 charge faster or slower

And is that unarmored maniac and surgical too

[tame lodge]

4 charges slower
Hits harder

Surgical is mandatory on all marks

[heavy rover]

mk iv charges the slowest but it is the hardest hitting. For that one, perks can be carapace + unyielding with surgical and weight of fire

[barren cave]

I'm gonna stick with 3

Probably surgical and armorbane

Not sure which perks

Or surgical and wof

[heavy rover]

can't go wrong with weight of fire

[past stratus]

wof is a bit overkill on 3

[heavy rover]

i mean, WoF on mk V is hilarious

[tall torrent]

Armourbane is not that good unfortunately

[bleak oasis]

Ammo stat matter on a plasma gun?

[hollow ibex]

it matters on... checks notes every gun

[bleak oasis]

I'm asking because getting the perfect godroll plasma is a pain.

[frigid shuttle]

nah, just spam buy profanes?

[bleak oasis]

That's what I'm doing. 300k down and not a single 68-69/71-72s

[hollow ibex]

70 70 is fine

Worse comes to worst

You can dump charge

[bleak oasis]

Diff between 60 and 80 ammo seems to be 120+120 vs 150+150 ammo

[hollow ibex]

As long as you can fire 8 times in a row uncharged that’s the main thing

[past stratus]

I did thermal resistance dump on it and it did pretty ok

[bleak oasis]

Does plasma even eat that much ammo

[hollow ibex]

Depends on the user really

[bleak oasis]

Esp since vet can just take the ammo bonus on left tree

[hollow ibex]

It’s somewhere in the middle

In terms of ammo efficiency

[past stratus]

you definitely have to be mindful of it but it is definitely not an issue

[bleak oasis]

I feel like I'm funneling all my dockets from doing missions on my other characters just to feed my vet's plasma gun fund

All for a godroll

[frigid shuttle]

are you doing damnation+?

[bleak oasis]

Yeh, almost exclusively aurics so it's at least 50k per mission

[frigid shuttle]

gotta just keep on the grind then

[hollow ibex]

plasma might get reworked anyway

and when it does, the dump stats will change

[frigid shuttle]

yes, meta is to keep every 60%

[tame lodge]

Yup

Iirc

Plasma has really bad ammo economy

Like 2 mags worth

Type of economy

[tall torrent]

not necessarily

unless they make hipfire just completely horrible
or they change hipfire's heat generation values

[hollow ibex]

... i'm speculating, not going to include a disclaimer everytime

should be obvious from context

[steel veldt]

now that I did volley fire penaces, I wanna try weapon specialist shotgun

[trim badger]

silly practice against the bitch

[inland orchid]

hehe pokey sword go swish

[steel veldt]

But it seems that the tree just kinda sucks for weapon specialist?

[trim badger]

I love me pokey sword

[inland orchid]

you have a very shiny pokey sword

[trim badger]

I should try fighting the two of them at the same time

could be interesting

[inland orchid]

yesss let the blood flow

more power to ya

[tall torrent]

wat build

[steel veldt]

in general

[tall torrent]

how come

[steel veldt]

all the best talents are in other branches

[calm shard]

yeah but WS is directly below all the best talents for melee

if you're wanting to invest into your melee you're going to be right above WS anyways

because of Desperado and Trench Fighter Drill

Reciprocity is also very good

[steel veldt]

Also interesting the axes don't dismember

Also why is slug shotgun the best? It has the weakest damage...

[spring ocean]

ok now do it again with ten billion crushers, trapers, bombers, and bulwarks running at you :>

and dont forget the havoc modifiers either 😛

[narrow frost]

Where'd you get this info?

[steel veldt]

this server

[narrow frost]

Agri can 1 shot every special (bar mutant) and elite gunners even in havoc 40

It can probably 1 mag a boss with a setup

[steel veldt]

by weakest damage I mean non special ammo

[narrow frost]

And has the ability to stagger a bulwark even if you hit the shield

Non slug still is strong

I only use it on ragers and unyielding

[spring ocean]

its still a good gun

what blessings are you using?

[bitter scroll]

Tightest spread too

[steel veldt]

I guess that's fair then

[spring ocean]

using it in havoc I've had no problems with it

[narrow frost]

Agri is probably one of the best snipers

[steel veldt]

I mean couldn't you just bolt pistol/revolver

[narrow frost]

The slug reload can be cut short, extremely mobile and a ton of ammo

Plus the bonus that it can be dumped on unyielding

[bitter scroll]

Not as versatile

[narrow frost]

They don't easily reach the same 1 shots

Nor that high unyielding comparing them

And less ammo

By alot

[spring ocean]

my main thing I enjoy about it is high stagger with special ammo

reaper shooting you? click it once in the head with slug, it staggers.

[narrow frost]

Open bulwark with slug then mag dump 4-5 shots

[spring ocean]

yep

[atomic void]

Revolver is gimped by ammo and bolt pistol is unironically harder to snipe with than the shotguns

[spring ocean]

its very good for opening up lanes when you need to move

[bitter scroll]

Says a lot that arbites will still go for it when their special shotgun is one of, if not the strongest ranged in the game

[spring ocean]

yep, I use it over the executioner shotgun because of how versatile it is

plus the fact I can reload two shells while still moving is peak

never have to stand still to reload fully

[steel veldt]

I guess I gotta learn it

[tall torrent]

it's the most consistent of the 3 combat shotguns for actual 1 taps

because the other 2 have larger spread and worse damage over range

hipfire max dmg up to 14m
aimed fire max dmg up to 20m

whereas zarona VI have max dmg only up to 10m

and accatran IX have max dmg up to 8.5m

[trim badger]

The funny part is

[tall torrent]

for the ranges where shotguns are relevant (usually <15m), agripinaa VII is by far the most consistent

[trim badger]

It's probably easy to do it in a real Havoc

because the twins have the shit shields

that basically stun them for a lot of free damage

unless final toll

[tall torrent]

in real havoc they die once their shields pop lol

[trim badger]

(and also the 5000 specials I can kill for instant shout)

[trim badger]

exactly xdd

[tall torrent]

any competent team will kill them in <5s when shields pop

they don't have health dmg gate for forced shield recharge, unlike captains and champions

[trim badger]

with this build I'm using I'm basically doing 70% of their HP the moment the shields pop

[tall torrent]

skullcrusher + shield pop is basically insta kill vs any twin

[steel veldt]

How do you guys do so much damage to twins and other bosses

I can't at all do a lot of damage

[trim badger]

It's all on the build baby

[steel veldt]

whicch

[tame lodge]

The secret ingredient is Skullcrusher

[steel veldt]

for what weapon

[tall torrent]

skullcrusher + veteran's red nodes

[tame lodge]

Any that can take Skullcrusher really

[steel veldt]

red nodes as in talents?

[tame lodge]

Except Devil's Claw

[trim badger]

I don't think I even need skullcrusher with this build tbh

relentless strikes carrying once more? who would've known!

but yes red nodes are extremely great for boss dmg

[tame lodge]

We will not fall for relentless propaganda

[trim badger]

in havoc games relentless goes hard

farm it on shields, shield pops, use shout, SHRED THEM

[tame lodge]

https://youtu.be/pckrHxt9ks0?si=ZjMHUgAyrJACGP00

[trim badger]

also I just learned that you can be hit directly by the bomb that the ranged twin throws

waos

[tame lodge]

What? You never died to direct impact?

[spring ocean]

of course, it's why I mentioned to not forget the modifiers :>

[trim badger]

WHAT O_O

[tame lodge]

[trim badger]

I tried to add it here but I can't

No matter, in any havoc game the twin dies the moment the shield pops anyways so

[spring ocean]

thought there was some mod that lets you add custom modifiers (like from havoc or events)

[barren cave]

what perks and blessings on mk3 helbore then, except surgical?

[distant plaza]

anyone have any opinions on shock maul blessings they'd like to share?

[trim badger]

yeah but apparently it just doesn't work with mobs I spawn

or at least not the twins

[spring ocean]

unfortunate.

[trim badger]

but hey soloing the two twins without abusing cover and them having +70% hp

that's pretty good practice

[steel veldt]

what are red nodesssss

[steel veldt]

ah

thank you

I have none of them

[trim badger]

also focus target is another +20% free dmg bonus

[steel veldt]

I do have focus target

on one build

[trim badger]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f58a4ba-9a0c-4cec-8d03-9f4535122a62/dream-vet-havoc-40

Jus saying, this is the best damage build so far

[steel veldt]

compeltely fair

[trim badger]

the only downside is that it's a melee build and people will see this in the party finder and be like "wtf no rejected"

even tho it's OP xdd

[red fox]

I don't think i have any builds that run focus targets

i feel like it's so situational

[trim badger]

heresy, if you're running any meta vet for Havoc you SHOULD have it

anywhere else and it's kinda mid tbh

[red fox]

im not running Havoc

so

[trim badger]

ok so that makes sense yeah

Focus Target is good in havoc because of the inflated boss HP

[red fox]

I'll probably stop at Auric Mael for now and grind it out til im nice and comfy

and then uninstall the game and touch grass

[trim badger]

You will not...

[red fox]

i know, who am i kidding

[trim badger]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888163424855535647/1075089756721000518/caption-6.gif

[red fox]

Yea i think thats the only situation that makes sense, 20% more damage on the random gunner or crusher seems

pointless

[trim badger]

kinda the same for Relentless Strikes as a blessing (on DS)

pointless outside of Havoc, awesome in Havoc

[steel veldt]

melee vet

[gilded raft]

Focus target is fantastic in havoc for boss/ogryn kills and guaranteed 1-taps on long range targets when you don't have time to followups. Since your role is usually gun guy, it's your best keystone as far as synergies go

[steel veldt]

but my penaces

[gilded raft]

Self flagellate on your own time

[trim badger]

Unironically better damage potential than Zealot xddd

while still having a mega powerful ult that doesn't force you to stop unlike book

[steel veldt]

fim

fun

I know my friends do a lot of boss damage with guns, IDk how

I always do really low damage, Idk how

[signal garden]

Headshots

And guns that don't suck at hurting bosses

[steel veldt]

I see

[tall torrent]

nah it's not required
it's just good

[trim badger]

there are good boss ranged dmg builds

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ee36473-7a45-464c-bba7-af3476e951c5/recon-lasgun-veteran-current

this one is pretty good at that

[red fox]

recon las

dumdum infernus

point at weak point and hold left mouse button

[signal garden]

Also the better a gun is at hipfire rapid fire

The better a boss gun it is

See:the bolter

[trim badger]

I love running Boltgun on my Zealot

Book + dump the entire fucking thing on a boss

[signal garden]

Yeah boltgun gets like perfect accuracy recoil on zealot

If you do the evade talent

[trim badger]

oh I don't use that node

[signal garden]

That or just big ass crits

[trim badger]

There's no point for me in using that talent

cuz I already stunned the boss with book anyways

so it's as free as it gets

[signal garden]

Zealot is kinda a special case

[trim badger]

I always run cavalcade on the bolter hehe

[signal garden]

Literally all 3 abilities are boss friendly

[red fox]

I used to put a node into suppressoin immunity

im not proud of it

[signal garden]

Boss bolter froendly

[trim badger]

[red fox]

i was new

😭

i thought Malice was tough leave me alone

[signal garden]

I feel like a more proactive approach is needed

Unfortunately meta wise that means bring the shredder

Why be supressed when the room can be dead af

I just wish the base damage of shredder was more than 150ish damage

[red fox]

i had not masterd sliding to shake off ranged shooters at the time

i didn't realise how busted shiftW+crouch was

my ass has scooted across every inch of the map now

[signal garden]

Well standing still and having your face blown off isn't going to be any more useful

Suppression is such a meme

And then don't get me started on gunluggrr's way of dealing with it

[trim badger]

We all were here...

nah I'm lying I came from VT2 I rushed the shit out of this game 8)

[signal garden]

2 kinds of players on launch

People who played vt2, and people who whined that no one was watching their back

Oh blu blu the forbidden skavenslave strikes back

[tall torrent]

loads of things should be vet baseline kit

[signal garden]

Yeah like not having subpar cardio

[red fox]

makes a lot of sense for a guardsman to not be freaked out by suppressing fire

[tall torrent]

survivalist
demo stockpile
suppression immunity
at least one -0.25s stam regen delay node
all toughness boost nodes
and maybe even precision strikes

[signal garden]

@red fox not necessarily true

Even kriegsmen get surpressed

The difference is they don't falter after being startled

@tall torrent I imagine an overhaul of the current Create a character system

[tall torrent]

wat

[signal garden]

The IG's strength is their diversity

[tall torrent]

doubt that'll ever happen

[signal garden]

Our backgrounds should affect our boobs and maluses

So a death world character would have suppression resist

[red fox]

i doubted you for a second and im sorry but im now backing you fully

[signal garden]

A crime guy could get +1 grenades

Boons and maluses

Wtf phone

[narrow frost]

Boobs?!????

[signal garden]

I'm an ass man don't autocorrect to boobs

[red fox]

im now no longer backing you

[narrow frost]

Yes

Fully backing you

[signal garden]

And this should be a unique trait to veteran

But seriously the average guardsman in, say, cadia for instance should have base higher reload and recoil control than some jerk off from pavane

Because better discipline

It's a knockoff of rogue trader but still it's about time the IG played to its strengths

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/tits-personality-test-test-boobs-gif-23329316

[red fox]

Yea i hope they don't do that, everyone spouting cadia cuz they want reload speed sounds miserable

[signal garden]

hey if pavane gets more ammo from being gluttonous who am i to complain

[tall torrent]

cool idea but doubt they'll do it lol

besides then it'll just make cadian origin the best because they're technically the best

[red fox]

^

[signal garden]

yeah but i feel like it would be the most poetic way to unpunish vet for having the worst cardio

idk give it worse VoC AoE or something

because deathworld characters have poor fellowship

[red fox]

seems wild a soldier has the worst cardio

[signal garden]

yeah no kidding

[tall torrent]

nah, for the context of DT's character origin worlds, cadia is by far the strongest

[red fox]

it stands or sumthin

[signal garden]

im not saying "vacation world pavane" should have the same quality as cadia

[tall torrent]

DT is not a crpg

[signal garden]

but as rogue trader has shown you must always pick a malus

[tall torrent]

cool idea but don't think it'll ever pass

[signal garden]

ok but the only idea that should pass

is GIVE US SOME DAMN CARDIO

oh dont worry the arbites has 10 base stamina

and the heart of a freaking ogryn

[tall torrent]

just these

[signal garden]

how much stamina does zealot get for getting hit, like 10%

?

[tall torrent]

what even is that

[signal garden]

wdym

doesnt it?

i feel like zealot gets 10% stamina every time it gets hit, like by a shot

[calm shard]

that's for every class not just zealot

fuck knows how much it is tho I don't really think about it

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

no

u're missing some basic understanding of game mechanic

[calm shard]

no they mean the stamina you get from taking damage

which every class gets

[tall torrent]

yea it's not a zealot exclusive thing

[narrow frost]

Instructions unclear took havoc crusher overhead, am kill with no stam 😔

[signal garden]

oh i always felt i got no stamina on vet

maybe im sprinting too much

well its not an issue on arbys, psyker, or zealot

[calm shard]

yeah veteran has the worst stamina economy in the game

longest stamina regen delay

tied for slowest stamina regen

[signal garden]

but its so bad i only notice i dont have any on vet lmoa

[calm shard]

2nd lowest base stamina

[tall torrent]

this is pretty misleading because everyone has the same stam regen rate besides zealot

[wild summit]

praise the new clothes man ... saved the horrendous comissar vest

[frigid shuttle]

just get both the talents

[calm shard]

that's so fucking expensive though

I want my damage

[frigid shuttle]

I hate the veteran tree tbh.

[calm shard]

seriously though give veteran a shield this is a threat

the imperial navy breacher squad uses them

Hand it over

man the imperial navy gets man-pack miniguns too

come on fatshark what are you even DOING

[frigid shuttle]

"too op", would the sweats cry.

[spring ocean]

trying to make the gun ogryn relevant lol

[open ravine]

It would just be the twin link stubber but lower cleave

People shouting op don't actually look at what the standard version of weapons achieve in lore

Like hot shots are just an armour pen variant of las weapons and aren't just instant killing stuff

[faint beacon]

They’re just overcharged laspacks

A good chunk of las weapons can be converted into hotshot variants

[open ravine]

Some hotshot variants are specially designed as to reduce wear and tear and makes them more consistent in hot shot mode

But yeah in lore a las can be cranked up to hot shot

[faint beacon]

The packs can be overcharged into makeshift grenades also

[open ravine]

You just end up with a regular ammo pool instead of a endless one

[faint beacon]

Will that ever happen in game

Probably not

[dense belfry]

There are sweats in this game?

[open ravine]

Vet gets backpack volley guns with a heat mechanic that will blow up if you over heat

[dense belfry]

Is that why people give me shit for using my wound curio?

*In heresy

[frigid shuttle]

Yes.

[open ravine]

Yeah

[frigid shuttle]

Honestly sub-30 heresy/damnation is a legitimate time to be using a wound curio

[open ravine]

The sweats are real toxic to the normal players

[frigid shuttle]

besides martyrdom

[dense belfry]

heresy is where it is best used.

Just in case a player too prideful to take advice joins.

[open ravine]

Yeah some players need it just until they learn to lock in during the important moments

And avoid gunners

[dense belfry]

Gunners are fucking evil

If I could, I'd dedicate an entire curio to gunner resist.

At least Vermintide ratlings had the courtesy to miss before they became huge threats.

[open ravine]

Yeah also Vermintide has the courtesy for friendly fire to exist

Darktide enemies just ignore eachother with their attacks

[dense belfry]

Unfortunately, my curios are dogshit and the system for them is dogshit.

[open ravine]

Like a trapper can just shot through the hoards of flesh with their nets and hit you

[dense belfry]

Sometimes ranged enemies just ignore cover.

[open ravine]

Yeah cover is finicky I feel

Only walls really work

[dense belfry]

"Hiding behind this crate? MY AP LASERS SHOULD FIX THIS?"

[frigid shuttle]

hm? you get like a 15%+ toughness pretty often from store and if you drop all your contract currency on 250price random defensive curios from melk, there's a good chance you get something decent

17% would be better, but 2%-6% toughness isn't what's going to lose you games often.

[dense belfry]

Does power matter for curios?

If so, I just have bad rng.

[frigid shuttle]

410 for +3 stamina to be actually +3 stamina

I don't remember if I've seen 400 score with 17% toughness though

but again, you start getting 15%'s from like 330? 350?

and those are in the store often, just check every hour

or use the website thing

[dense belfry]

Do I have to play higher difficulties in order for the shop to have higher power items?

[frigid shuttle]

no, you need higher level

[dense belfry]

Bruh.

[open ravine]

Also buy some high tier stuff from the shops every so often

[dense belfry]

Rarity or power?

[open ravine]

For some reason buying high tier stuff generally leads to more

[open ravine]

Power

[frigid shuttle]

like damnation is more than doable without pimped curios

[dense belfry]

I have a question about damnation, actually.

[open ravine]

All difficulties are but nice curios help

[dense belfry]

It's about the kind of team mates I can expect before I play it.

My experience with heresy has been overall shit, especially as Veteran.

[open ravine]

People are generally better team players as you have to be a team player to succeed but their is still a chance to get a useless/ solo wannabe player

[dense belfry]

I'm concerned about having to lock in because a person shot a burster I was about to shove.

[open ravine]

Shooting is generally the more preferable approach on higher difficulties as they spawn in packs. Shoves are only if they sneak up to you

[dense belfry]

Good, I don't want a repeat of;

"Auric storm survivor"
looks at playstyle
speed hacking arbitrator leaving us for dead.

[frigid shuttle]

there's terrible players everywhere, but yes, heresy is generally significantly worse players than damnation/auric

[dense belfry]

Even if they're in snogging distance?

[open ravine]

Oh no arbites can get that quick naturally

[dense belfry]

Fuck off. Forreal?

That's broken.

[open ravine]

Yeah they got a node which gives 15% on ranged hit and if they got eo triggering they get a huge speed buff

Like once EO is fixed to also active on non dog kills you will be seeing them zooming

[faint beacon]

Arby kinda just fucking breaths

And then suddenly they’re dealing 100%+ damage

[dense belfry]

Jesus.

I'd just rather play Hired Gun at that point.

[shy raft]

Arby also get 5100 toughness back from breathing as well

[calm shard]

psyker can be faster but arbites buffs are longer duration

[shy raft]

It's insane that you can take shield and just throw yourself to gunners to fill up your toughness

[dense belfry]

Don't forget the fact they have guaranteed damage reduction to 50 at max.

50 hit points.

[shy raft]

but, playing veteran is cooler

[calm shard]

not really that big of a deal tbh

it only really helps with attacks that frankly if you're a good player you probably aren't getting hit by

[shy raft]

I'd rather play as a badass guardsmen who fought against aeldar and chaos space marines instead of glorified cop

[calm shard]

great for less experienced players tho

[dense belfry]

It kind of is if it's a fucking auric storm survivor smurfing a damn heresy lobby.

[shy raft]

Veterans needs to get rid off that damn tax nodes

[dense belfry]

Just makes me feel like I shouldn't have booted up the game.

[shy raft]

other than that it's purrfect

[calm shard]

Smurfing?

[dense belfry]

You heard.

[calm shard]

I don't...think that applies to just playing on a lower difficulty

I play on lower difficulties sometimes like visiting a zoo

[dense belfry]

The only time they were in coherency was when they were distracted from their jogging session by a horde.

[calm shard]

not a real speedrunner then

real speedrunners are aids and run past the horde

[dense belfry]

"Don't mind me" they said.

If only I could have killed them.

Commissar style.

[open ravine]

This perk I am pretty sure is lying about just how much speed it gives as I will suddenly get double the speed every so often

[dense belfry]

I'm wondering now, has Veteran ever gotten a skill tree rework?

[open ravine]

Twice and their tree still sucks

FS dropped the balll big time on vet

[calm shard]

took all this time to get fatshark to realize "hey minor nodes kinda suck"

[dense belfry]

It lookes the exact same as since THE early Xbox days.

[calm shard]

which they have applied to oggy and arbitrator

who get to make REAL choices between REAL talents

[dense belfry]

I mean, the crit node is underrated.

[calm shard]

and don't have gimped base stats because they have to collect all the +25 toughness nodes on their skill tree to not die instantly

[dense belfry]

My God.

[open ravine]

It used not even have keystones on the initial tree rework as it was half arsed

Then on top of that when keystones first released for them it took like over 25 points to get to the bottom

[dense belfry]

Jesus.

This is a disgrace to the uniform, it is.

Has fatshark at least addressed Veteran's state?

[open ravine]

Yes they have said vet and zealot are on the table for a tree rework in the future

[dense belfry]

Oh god, no

Hope they don't fuck it up.

[dense belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/praying-crying-downfall-sad-tears-praying-gif-7785197299162436598

[open ravine]

FS seem to know how to actually make trees now so I am a little hopeful

[dense belfry]

Let it be so, in the name of the emperor.

[open ravine]

the ogryn and arbite trees are amazing and pysker is also quite powerful but requires a bit of proper build management

[dense belfry]

One thing I hope they do, is get rid of that keystone on the far left.

The one that requires you, in a horde game, to stand still.

Nix it or make it usable, I say.

[rapid gate]

damn

amen

[open ravine]

Yeah despite what the sweats say the left keystone isn't great for the standard player who isn't a headshot magnet

[dense belfry]

"You can only do it when crouched or standing still"

How clueless were the balancing devs when they made that?

[open ravine]

thats the passive regen node

[dense belfry]

It isn't a keystone, it's an optional buff that's more niche than ginyu.

[dense belfry]

It does that too?

[unreal nova]

Crabwalk simulator.

[faint beacon]

Fun Fact: apparently Arby before the Play Testers stepped into to assist with the tree rework was abysmal dogshit

[dense belfry]

I'd trust that, actually.

[faint beacon]

This was obviously during testing phase for the class

Etc

[unreal nova]

Middle keystone still in beta.

[open ravine]

Not sure if I can trust the play testers as they left us with what is the vet and zealot trees

[unreal nova]

Vet and Zealot is pure FS.

[dense belfry]

The weapon one?

[unreal nova]

The WS but not.

It's incomplete. That's what playtesters mentioned.

[dense belfry]

Veteran: even a piece of crap can be effective at killing if you're skilled enough to make it work.

[open ravine]

Middle keystone is used more for the toughness than its used for the damage

[dense belfry]

It shouldn't stack so fucking high.

It is only usable with Braced autocannons.

[open ravine]

the right keystone provides a very short lived buff but its used for the occasional quick scope and stam regen

[unreal nova]

How do I know... it's a FS keystone.

Left is made by playtesters.

[faint beacon]

Oh that’s like 90% FS at play there

Vet and Zealot trees are now 2 years old also

[open ravine]

Vet tree was so half arsed and players still find a way to defend it

[open ravine]

At least zealot is more proactive/ synergise with the game than vet

[unreal nova]

No, we all agree it's good, only if vets get a free +10 talent points.

[dense belfry]

You know what I want to see for Veteran? A quick draw ability EXACTLY like Bounty Hunter Saltz from Vermintide 2.

It'd make sense for a veteran guardsman, I think.

[open ravine]

His blues are decent but his keystones are shit compared to the other classes

The abilities kinda need buffs as well

[unreal nova]

The issue is insanely taxed and every keystone has been cut up into 4-5 subnodes.

[dense belfry]

That, and chainsword buffs so I can use it for horde clearing without anyone giving me shit for using chainsword.

It deals more base damage than PS, i'm going to use it for hordes.

[unreal nova]

Bonus, half the subnodes feel so meh, if they were baseline, it's not even op.

[late jungle]

wouldnt say skilled

its kinda just. shredder spam and the entire map dies

[dense belfry]

at least it isn't a dueling sword that bounces off like it's made of rubber.

[dense belfry]

What the hell is a shredder?

[late jungle]

the frag grenade..

that bleeds everything

[dense belfry]

The bleed can't even kill groaners... talking from experience.

[late jungle]

get a melee with uncanny strike !

[unreal nova]

2 'nades to clear.

[late jungle]

and i mean yeah u can also just.

throw 2 grenades

u get another like every other second in the higher difficulties

demo team ❤️

[unreal nova]

Thing is, that's a 2 mins CD.

[dense belfry]

I can't, i'm working on my power sword right now.

[unreal nova]

Or gambling.

[late jungle]

the gamblins more effective than u'd think

[unreal nova]

And you are talking to me.

[late jungle]

personal experience ..

[dense belfry]

Can't afford it.

Like I said. Power sword.

[unreal nova]

That girl who went 3 missions and over 35 'nades before a single twinned.

[dense belfry]

Got to save up for blessings.

[late jungle]

twinned is kinda ..

its okay ..

[unreal nova]

20% btw

[late jungle]

1 frag is already enough for an entire horde to kinda just fall apart

[unreal nova]

Highest number is like 55 'nades for a single twinned

[late jungle]

🥹

[dense belfry]

Why have twinned when you can have grenade chance on specialist kill?

[late jungle]

most people run both i think

[unreal nova]

I have BOTH

Gambling.

[late jungle]

what i dont rlly get is why people run the

[unreal nova]

GAMBLING.

[dense belfry]

Mustn't run kraks...

[late jungle]

+1 grenade node

it seems kinda useless ..

[unreal nova]

Because that guarantees 2 room clears.

[dense belfry]

With how many specialists you krump, it is an absolute BAIT of a node.

[unreal nova]

Even if you are UNLUCKY as all heck.

[dense belfry]

So can killing enough specialists to get a nade back.

[unreal nova]

Have you not been reading?

[late jungle]

but why would u ever want to be at 4 grenades .

[dense belfry]

No

I'm a guardsman

I don't get paid outside of being allowed to live.

[late jungle]

im always making sure im 1 nade empty so i can actually regenerate it

[unreal nova]

You don't, you toss 2 at the first big horde. And sit always at 3.

Always having 1 for the emergency room stagger.

[dense belfry]

In case there's more than one heavy hitter encased entirely in carapace and flak.

Well, if you have Krak...

Don't let that hold you back!

[unreal nova]

That 1 'nade let me clutch auric at times when everyone potatoes.

You shout, drop it and pick up the book zealot or the other shout vet.

[red fox]

I need to get better at that, when i look back at some of my footage i'm awlays realising i sit on 3 nade stoo often

[steep flower]

Not really

[steep flower]

Mah man rhymed like he was from the hood

[dense belfry]

Pardon?

What the devil is a hood? The thing on cloaks?

[late jungle]

heresy feels like elo hell

[unreal nova]

Just carry every game.

[late jungle]

I DO

but ..

one man can only do so much against a million hordes on his own

genuinely my least favourite part about making new characters

[unreal nova]

I know, I did that trauma on Arby. How does 2 oggies rack up like 14 deaths, I'll never know.

I'm only lvl 14 and I already need to do things to not lose?

You basically have to. GL on psyker btw.

[normal sparrow]

2 ogryn having 32 collective ranged kill in auric

[unreal nova]

That's fine if their melee stuff is high enough.

They keep shit off the shooty guys, is still okay.

[normal sparrow]

[steep flower]

You rhymed? Its as plain as that

[unreal nova]

This reminds me why I rather not have scoreboards. I do not need to know, I just need to be able to clutch, yes.

[normal sparrow]

I use it for my own stats and dont like bashing ppl, but you cant help when you see these kind of numbers
For reference they both have h40

[unreal nova]

Well, I have no damage in H40 as well. 300 ping yay.

The only thing guranteed is stagger.

[normal sparrow]

2 digit disabled as ogryn

[unreal nova]

I play book zealot or nuncio tanky Arby.

So, I dunno.

[late jungle]

anything on zealot that isnt thammer zealot i snooze

[normal sparrow]

Happens plenty of times for me
Lowest dmg purga soyker
10+ disabled as ogryn
Dont use vet on havoc, no issue on zel/rb

[unreal nova]

Oh. Then again, even good players have bad days.

[steep flower]

‘Don’t use vet on havoc’ LMAO

[normal sparrow]

Not a fan of plasma gun

[safe kiln]

helbore is fun

[steep flower]

I don’t use plasma; never seriously did

Overrated

[late jungle]

plasma is boring and so is helbore

i mean the helbores cool its just. like

extremely sluggish

[normal bay]

Helbore doesn't need to be fast with the damage it can do lol

[late jungle]

i never said anything about that its just really lame to use with how slow it is to swap to it and whatnot :-)

[normal bay]

Have you used it since the buff? It's quite a quick swap and you can start charging it early

[red fox]

it feels wrong to use the hellbore without the krieg coemstics

[hard oracle]

what do you guys use on havoc besides plasma

I used to only like bolt then I switched to plasma and have been playing that for a long time but idk man it just isnt hitting like it used to but bolt eats ammo crazy style

[red fox]

between plasma and bolt i just prefer bolt more, not havoc tho

[hard oracle]

yeah I'm mainly talking about havoc since I play that and auric stuff

[steep flower]

Combat Shotgun
Bolt pistol
Las pistol
Recon las
Helbore
Boltgun

[grand perch]

A fricken pencil

[hard oracle]

I need to try the shotguns at some point

[steep flower]

It can eat ammo; its how you micromanage

[late jungle]

i do love the las pistol

[steep flower]

I use boltgun in havoc & i did not had issues with ammo

[hard oracle]

my problem with shotguns is I really enjoy the way the bolt gun and plasma especially play its just so fun scanning around for elite heads and getting in a rythym of shooting

is the krieg lasgun thing bad ?

[red fox]

a frickken pencil!

[steep flower]

Shotties have a nice rythm

[hard oracle]

Yeah I feel like with knife it could be a fun flow

ive been using knife recently bc I feel like DS will get nerfed

[simple acorn]

gimme your range wep recommendations as a revolver enjoyer

[sick cedar]

Helbore my beloved

[simple acorn]

all helbore players ive been with have been room temp iq, ill pass

[spring ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/ultramar-ultramarine-ultra-marine-sidonus-titus-gif-16620324122351263320

[heavy rover]

Helbore

[tame lodge]

So don't be the one with the temp IQ

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-notebook-explaning-gif-21152267

https://tenor.com/view/happy-beach-steam-emoji-sunset-gif-3837748048620888892

[red fox]

trying to learn how to fight 4 crushers in the psykanium really puts on show just how bad the power sword's mobility is

it's significantly worse than the rashad or DS

[olive halo]

bros, is there something like power DI but without like 90% of the stats

something simple like VT's endgame screen?

[hollow plank]

I haven’t started it yet but do people remember if the Marksman focus Penance was hard? I just have to get 42 more critical weak spots for Adept Assassin then thats all thats left

[normal bay]

It was painfully long, I remember that much

[sudden cedar]

Crabwalking and using melee to speed up the process

[unreal nova]

Or mercantile for 45 mins.

[sudden cedar]

Please don't.

Was annoying enough on Baross.

[tame lodge]

Hab
Dreyko infinite tree puzzle

[steep flower]

Its not hard; its tedious

[hollow plank]

More or less tedious than adept assassin?

[steep flower]

Yup… by a long margin

[normal bay]

Why is everyone complaining about adept assassin these days? It's one of the easier penances lol

[hollow plank]

Cause I don’t like the keystone

[sudden cedar]

Because complaining is easy.

[tepid otter]

Since we're talking about Penance's, the one where you have to avoid melee dmg on havoc or higher diff, can you get away with it if your toughness tanks a few hits, like it didnt dmg your hp at all, or does it still count as being hit

[normal bay]

On Havoc?

[tame lodge]

Overwatch?
It only counts health damage taken by melee
So yeah you can tank it at 100% toughness

[normal bay]

Is that a thing?

It's just Malice if its "On Overwatch"

[tepid otter]

Oh woops, uhh heresy i think

Mb mb

[normal bay]

It's definitely malice because I did it on Low Int Malice

[tepid otter]

Noice, thanks very much

[analog mural]

Yeah you can do on overwatch in malice

Last I checked anyway

[hollow plank]

Also I never said it was hard I said it was tedious.

[normal bay]

It ain't shit compared to some others

Loner