Why what’s that?
#veteran-class
grand lynx
trim badger
Plasma with +maniac yummers
tall torrent
kind of a lynchpin class that does a bit of everything and keeps everyone in good condition while having good melee (if u spec into it) and good ranged (if u spec into it)
grand lynx
Many thanks all does sound viable in a way lol 👍😁👍
signal garden
and arbys is pay to win
strange pollen
I've been enjoying vet so far despite the advantages that ogryn and arbiter have
tame lodge
Arby's is mid anyways
red fox
Many thanks all does sound viable in a way lol 👍😁👍
0 hours played saying this is definitely a vibe
tame lodge
grand lynx
kind of a lynchpin class that does a bit of everything and keeps everyone in goo...
So Jack of all trades nah Veteran still sounds like my main
trim badger
kind of a lynchpin class that does a bit of everything and keeps everyone in goo...
I love me DS melee build, yummers 500k boss dmg on Havoc :)
earnest barn
Arby's is mid anyways
brother, have you played arbitrator
strange pollen
I like using the shout and saving teammates(sometimes 😅)
signal garden
veteran's most ubiquitous tool is the shredder grenade because it hits everything in the room
grand lynx
0 hours played saying this is definitely a vibe
Dude you guys have been more helpful then any hours
unreal nova
Plasma with +maniac yummers
Bistol boom works as well. If not playing spicy 300-400 ping.
proper delta
have they ever spoken about why they havent made any more operations besides rolling steel?
signal garden
veterans 2nd most ubiquitous tool is making everyone stunned
tame lodge
brother, have you played arbitrator
No 
Not paying for mid
earnest barn
it's genuinely busted
signal garden
@proper delta well orthus offensive existe
signal garden
but its out of rotation now outside of the narrative thing
tall torrent
So Jack of all trades nah Veteran still sounds like my main
or if u really heavily into a dedicated ranged spec (very hard to play) u can do pretty crazy ranged dmg against the most important targets while having essentially unlimited ammo
proper delta
<@191019929263276042> well orthus offensive existe
more mini raids would be cool too 🥲
even if i never win with pugs
tall torrent
No <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Not paying for mid
arb is top 1 class lol
proper delta
shotguns and maces are cool
signal garden
who needs toughness regen
signal garden
arbys is about not losing toughness
tame lodge
All classes
trim badger
tame lodge
signal garden
because, and i think this speaks to what vet could get next, give us a damn shield
shields are OP
red fox
ive seen some really braindead arbies play, they are practically invincible while putting in 0 effort
signal garden
there you go, a good class rewards you in spite of your mistakes
and thats arbys
and NOT veteran
at least by that definition
proper delta
ngl i finished arbites penances and went to do psyker and got my shit absolutely rocked after only arbites for 108 missions
earnest barn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1396224405314732134/W...
i can't wait for the duelling sword to be nerfed so people actually use something else other than it for the billionth time
tame lodge
ngl i finished arbites penances and went to do psyker and got my shit absolutely...
Yeah that just tells me you get hit
💀
unreal nova
ive seen some really braindead arbies play, they are practically invincible whil...
Great class for controller.
trim badger
ive seen some really braindead arbies play, they are practically invincible whil...
This is why I reject every Arbites I see in H40 btw
red fox
ngl i finished arbites penances and went to do psyker and got my shit absolutely...
i stopped playing it cuz i felt it was making me terrible at the game
levelled it to 30 and stopped
trim badger
i can't wait for the duelling sword to be nerfed so people actually use somethin...
implying I'll stop using DS after nerf
proper delta
Yeah that just tells me you get hit
i figured it out for aurics but i can't play psyker or vet in havoc ;__;
red fox
This is why I reject every Arbites I see in H40 btw
got his shit rocked by everything and still has toughness, it's nuts
trim badger
> implying I'll stop using DS after nerf
atomic void
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1396224405314732134/W...
why does your game look like this brother
unreal nova
Just assume you are playing vet on Arby, teammates do more damage to you in the end.
earnest barn
> implying I'll stop using DS after nerf
not referring to you specifically, i mean the people who only use it because it's meta
trim badger
why does your game look like this brother
Cuz the Game is dogshit in optimization and my puter is old
atomic void
fair
red fox
This is why I reject every Arbites I see in H40 btw
eats crusher overheads and boss punches for days, meanwhile one sneaky overhead catches me, i die, my unborn child disppears from the timeline, my computer turns off and @tame lodge PMs me telling me im shit
earnest barn
although i would be happier if stuff like the chainsword was actually reworked so there's more than 3 viable vet melees
atomic void
did u install something to make it extra deepfried
i dont remember low settings looking like this
tame lodge
eats crusher overheads and boss punches for days, meanwhile one sneaky overhead ...
My brother in Christ
You are getting hit
red fox
I am 😭
tame lodge
So you're telling me to get the mid class so I can get rewarded for being hit
atomic void
eats crusher overheads and boss punches for days, meanwhile one sneaky overhead ...
fun fact arbies who take true grit eat shit and die anyway 
tame lodge
That's against the game fundamentals
tall torrent
did u install something to make it extra deepfried
put texture to -1
red fox
So you're telling me to get the mid class so I can get rewarded for being hit
Nah im saying don't get it cuz it sucks
tall torrent
and the game will look like this
trim badger
although i would be happier if stuff like the chainsword was actually reworked s...
Knife, DS and PS are pretty good
tame lodge
Darktide Roblox moment
atomic void
put texture to -1
im gonna do it for funsies cause darktide is the worst running game ever
earnest barn
Knife, DS and PS are pretty good
i do use the knife and PS, but i'm just saying i wish there were more viable options is all
atomic void
Play it on 800x600
240p take it or leave it
with frame gen on
trim badger
put texture to -1
Enviromnent texture setting to 100 yayayayayay
signal garden
@earnest barn inb4 someone mentions shovel
red fox
240p take it or leave it
with frame gen on
if you think about it, the less pixels there are, the less pixels to miss
easy 100% accuracy
point at every brown square and click
signal garden
If I wanted to knock shit down with nothing to show for it I would evade into enemies as ogryn
tame lodge
240p take it or leave it
with frame gen on
I beat dying light 1
With something like that
trim badger
i do use the knife and PS, but i'm just saying i wish there were more viable opt...
To be fair this basically happens on all classes, it's normally knife+ds + 1/2 exclusive class melee
tame lodge
💀
red fox
thats logic sah
earnest barn
<@653608182014410803> inb4 someone mentions shovel
it's decent, but the altfire hard carries it a lot(at least for me)
atomic void
if you think about it, the less pixels there are, the less pixels to miss
you've opened my third eye
tame lodge
Even changed the resolution on my monitor for it
I should replay dying light on my new Pc
atomic void
I beat dying light 1
With something like that
that's sad cause dying light 1 has great visuals and atmosphere
strange pollen
I should replay dying light on my new Pc
Agreed, I got sidetracked by cyberpunk and it's dlc for quite some time now 😅
tame lodge
Oh yeah that does remind me to get phantom liberty
earnest barn
that's sad cause dying light 1 has great visuals and atmosphere
ngl, dying light 1 with the second game's gameplay would be peak
tame lodge
I've been postponing it for a while
red fox
Oh yeah that does remind me to get phantom liberty
most fun i had in Cyberpunk imo
strange pollen
Oh yeah that does remind me to get phantom liberty
It brought me to tears, I hope you enjoy it!
patent birch
the anime game?
red fox
Only game that can do that to me is Persona 3
did you ever play portable
tame lodge
did you ever play portable
I don't vibe with portable
earnest barn
genuine question for you fellas, although i'm not sure if this is the place to ask since it's a lore thing
red fox
the smiling through it all persona of P3p femc hits me more than blue boy stoicism
earnest barn
is the recon lasgun used by multiple regiments or do only the elysians use it ? just asking because i have been debating on if i should include it on a newer build i have been cooking up
unreal nova
the smiling through it all persona of P3p femc hits me more than blue boy stoici...
Also, Aigis x Kotone.
atomic void
ngl, dying light 1 with the second game's gameplay would be peak
didnt they rework pretty much everything in 2 barring story to match 1's atmosphere
pretty commendable tbh
literally changed everything from weapons to physics to parkour to fkn color filters lmao
tame lodge
Didn't have guns at launch
earnest barn
the second game's atmosphere is still pretty bad by comparison imo, but i'll admit i had far more fun with it than DL1
patent birch
DL2 isnt real
earnest barn
DL1's combat was actually miserable
patent birch
its dogshit
patent birch
DL1's combat was actually miserable
horrendous take
atomic void
i dont evne care about guns
the way they ripped apart the animation hitreg system and entirely replaced it with a proper functioning physics systems is some big balls shit
atomic void
its dogshit
post or pre patches 
earnest barn
horrendous take
boy, i love getting grappled constantly, having to spam slide to fight humans and enemies with guns having actual terminator aim
patent birch
still currently dogshit, horrible story, floaty bad gameplay, same with dead island 2, dead island 1 and dying light 1 dont have sequels, the ogs hold up fine
atomic void
tame lodge
DI2 needs more zombies but also needs to stop spawning zombies from out of nowhere
earnest barn
Crane being a highly trained operative or whatever and not having enough brainpower to block
tame lodge
Either my game was bugged
patent birch
The Beast might save the franchise but i doubt it
atomic void
beast looks pretty sick
tame lodge
The beast is just dying light 3
And as we all know
The third saves the franchise
atomic void
so does dl2 post billion patches
tame lodge
marble mantle
so does dl2 post billion patches
Idk about that. Polish a turd it’s still a turd
marble mantle
still currently dogshit, horrible story, floaty bad gameplay, same with dead isl...
Dead island 2 was hyped for so long yet it’s so short and frankly disappointing. Good gore though
patent birch
Dead island 2 was hyped for so long yet it’s so short and frankly disappointing....
on ly good part was gore, shit game otherwise
marble mantle
on ly good part was gore, shit game otherwise
Yup
atomic void
Idk about that. Polish a turd it’s still a turd
its not just visual updates tho
i cracked the game before buying it to check and it felt eons better than dl2 on release
which turned me off
marble mantle
its not just visual updates tho
i cracked the game before buying it to check and...
Hmmm maybe I’ll check it out and restart
atomic void
so i bought dl2 and ill be playing more than 2 hours
but those 2 hours left a decent impression
earnest barn
but those 2 hours left a decent impression
story still aint great but trust me, its not the same game it was on launch
atomic void
youre defending a game based off of 2 hrs of gameplay?
no im giving my impressions of the updates of a game that turned me off on release
everything felt smoother
earnest barn
glad they're ditching the faction system and branching choices for the beast though, those were unsalvageable
atomic void
glad they're ditching the faction system and branching choices for the beast tho...
the story is boring
i was skipping
tame lodge
True
atomic void
dying light 1 never had amazing writing but it wasnt in your way
tame lodge
atomic void
and it had funny side quests
idk why they decided to turn 2 into a crpg lmao
too much yapping
patent birch
dying light 1!!! is one of the perfect zombie games
LOL
atomic void
time to install dying lights 2 to own the libs
sly orchid
you cannot tell me he doesnt look like a turkish man
lmao
sly orchid
Always yeah
earnest barn
I'm actually kinda surprised at how we've been offtopic for a while and nothing happened so far
earnest barn
Mods dont care about offtopic
unreal nova
I'm actually kinda surprised at how we've been offtopic for a while and nothing ...
As long it doesn't get too explict, a flame war or graphic stuff/imagery, it's usually okay.
patent birch
CHAINE AXE IS PERFECT
<:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
youre just wrong, it has a 4 hit cap count
thney literally just fixed that on 2h csword but its still an issue on caxe
sly orchid
As long it doesn't get too explict, a flame war or graphic stuff/imagery, it's u...
Too explicit
earnest barn
FIX CHAINAXE
fix the chain weapons in general, i need my chainsword
sly orchid
Ive seen the shit that gets said in general
clever hedge
youre just wrong, it has a 4 hit cap count
Skill issue
unreal nova
Ive seen the shit that gets said in general
It could be worse. Most do restrain themselves to a degree.
earnest barn
I still use the chainsword in two of my builds out of commitment to the guardsman bit, but it aint great to say the least
patent birch
Skill issue <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
i still use it moron, its just broken
earnest barn
4 hits to kill a single melee scab when a combat knife usually only takes 1 
marble mantle
FIX CHAINAXE
@steep flower
tame lodge
CHAINE AXE IS PERFECT
<:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
It's not
💀
Capped at 4
8 cleave
steep flower
thney literally just fixed that on 2h csword but its still an issue on caxe
It is but its duable; maybe they fix it maybe not - all you can do is cope. I’m personally alright with it
tame lodge
It contradicts itself
patent birch
It is but its duable; maybe they fix it maybe not - all you can do is cope. I’m ...
they literally just fixed\ the 2h csword they can fix this one too, so many youtubers and chatters have brought it up
steep flower
they literally just fixed\ the 2h csword they can fix this one too, so many yout...
They could but they didn’t; cope
Apart from that; weapon is potent
earnest barn
i have a combat axe on my vet's inventory that i only pulled out once and never again
patent birch
i like combat
atomic void
i opened up to tax axe this week and its a beast
i avoided it cause its a little dinky axe and i like big weapons
yes im stooopid
earnest barn
i like combat
i didn't, i had about as much fun with the combat axe as i did trying to use the heavy sword
which is to say not a whole lot
atomic void
They also buffed taxes but still kept the 3 cap
there's a cap on it?
sorry didnt notice brutal momentum goes brrrr
earnest barn
and i'll still have to pull it out again because i need the weapon penance 🥀
patent birch
just ignore penances like a man
tame lodge
there's a cap on it?
Yeah 3 cap on heavies
normal bay
i didn't, i had about as much fun with the combat axe as i did trying to use the...
But... Did you apply the Brutal Momentum blessing to it? Because it barely works without it lol
earnest barn
just ignore penances like a man
i would but i need that moebian uniform man
normal bay
Or use the right mark lol
atomic void
Yeah 3 cap on heavies
didnt evne notice cause the push attacks just slices hordes
it also hits so fast my god
i slept on this weapon for so long
tame lodge
Good because it's shit
On psyker you can build 9-10 cleave on it
And still can't damage past the third target
earnest barn
someone at fatshark deciding to lock the moebian helmet and mask combo behind the last page of the penance rewards is flat out evil
normal bay
At least it's easier to get to now lol
atomic void
someone at fatshark deciding to lock the moebian helmet and mask combo behind th...
Looks ugly tbh
Havoc set is cooler
Only bad thing about havoc set is u need to be accepted into people's lobbies 😭
earnest barn
the steelheads set is also pretty cool but once again i'm cucked out of getting it by penances since i only get to play havoc like once a month maybe
i'm cursed with having to play in south american servers, which are almost dead 99% of the time
and the few times where it isn't, it's filled with people who almost never queue up for anything past damnation
it's gotten easier to find auric matches since the battle for tertium update dropped, but i still don't have any luck with finding people willing to play maelstrom, mortis trials or havoc
ember nest
Looks ugly tbh
I like them both
cyan verge
does the plasma suck now, it feels wayyyy weaker than it used to be
teal canyon
Never liked plasma
normal bay
It has not changed
cyan verge
by 'used to be' I mean since like introduction of havoc months ago
teal canyon
Everyone was saying plasma was OP but either I was bad with it, or I was too good for plasma to not hinder my killing potential
cyan verge
well all I know is I am not one-shotting gunners to chest and that seems like wrong somehow
tame lodge
Nothing changed since havoc
cyan verge
maybe I should go flak + elites instead of unarmoured + maniacs
teal canyon
I always liked spearhead boltgun, shotguns and infantry autoguns/braced more than anything else just because that they don't feel like shooting digits
Enemies actually react and piss themselves
Meanwhile you shoot a guy with a lasguns and he doesn't even flinching
cyan verge
enemies dive out of the way of the plasma gun too when it like sears past their face, if you miss, it is cool
the boltgun is good... but eh I only have a executioners stance build for it
red fox
is bolter flak/unarm or flak/maniac>
cyan verge
my boltgun is flak/maniac and it does well
cyan verge
well there u go then don't listen to me
odd sparrow
Unarmored allows 1hit on dreg gunner headshot
red fox
and without flak still can 1 shot scab gunnner?
odd sparrow
and without flak still can 1 shot scab gunnner?
Ye bolter has good ADM against flak
steep flower
well there u go then don't listen to me
For such a weapon like boltgun; carapace & unyielding gives best results; after all gun was designed to mulch big targets so why not help it a bit
red fox
Ye bolter has good ADM against flak
sorry adm is....
final charm
For such a weapon like boltgun; carapace & unyielding gives best results; after ...
It takes like half a magazine to kill crushers with a boltgun, why not flak and maniac?
cyan verge
yeah I usually just duelling sword crusher brain
he flop over dead
he comes to you as well, gunner hide 3,000 meters away
steep flower
It takes like half a magazine to kill crushers with a boltgun, why not flak and ...
I take 3 shots to kill a crusher on auric; dunno what build you have but seems to not mulch enough
final charm
I just mulch 40 ragers at once instead of like 3 crushers
unreal forge
does the plasma suck now, it feels wayyyy weaker than it used to be
Helbore mogs the F*CK out of plasma
that's why it feels weak
steep flower
I am hopeless with it
How so
cyan verge
bad sights, release to shoot feels weird
steep flower
I am hopeless with it
Like your profile pic btw 
unreal forge
bad sights, release to shoot feels weird
both true but the last one can be solved with a mod that charges it as you ADS, and then lets you M1 once to shoot
red fox
mod doing that makes it feel a bit
unreal forge
first problem can be solved with the customization mod, but, I don't like it because it doesn't let weapon skins work
cyan verge
I have been running without mods since I came back to the game but I guess maybe it'd be worth trying just for that
steep flower
bad sights, release to shoot feels weird
On bad sights i can agree; gutter sights on a long range precision weapon is oof; the charge is something one can get used to
steep flower
is this still a fake +3 stamina
Yup
cyan verge
the like... vanilla, actual sights that they put on a lot of guns feel absolutely bizarre and terrible, like just a post or whatever sometime
steep flower
first problem can be solved with the customization mod, but, I don't like it bec...
And it tanks your memory so you get more out of memory crashes
cyan verge
lol
yeah that is one of the big problems with it...
darktide's out of memory crashes are just suffering
I even get them without mods
steep flower
yeah that is one of the big problems with it...
I recommend ‘Weapon FOV’ mod
steep flower
oh, so you can tune zoom etc?
Yup; for every weapon
cyan verge
I noticed recently with my recon lasgun like it has a zoom multiplier of like 1x, so you aim and it's like ok I can see muzzle flashes about 300m away from a gunner, but actually aiming at the right pixel is somewhat challenging
steep flower
The distance of your weapon from your camera too so it does not look like youre holding it next to your face in vanilla; this is not early 2000’s FPS games on console lmao
steep flower
I noticed recently with my recon lasgun like it has a zoom multiplier of like 1x...
Just don’t hold the trigger; tap it
odd sparrow
sorry adm is....
ADM stands for Armor Damage Modifier it denotes how much damage a weapon will do against different armor types
Bolter does 1x damage against unarmored
0.8x(or 80%) against flak
0.4x(40%) against carapace
last depot
Your 10th stamina bar isnt real
tame lodge
It's funky because 400 +3 is real on the Psykhanium
tame lodge
Peak Fatshark right there
cyan verge
yeah I figured it's just so weird, that... so... they still never patched this like rounding up in the interface bug
cuz that is what it is right
cyan verge
am I a comedian? do I make you laugh?
narrow frost
you havent met 
before
tame lodge
signal garden
sweden
red fox
am I a comedian? do I make you laugh?
Funny how, funny like a clown?
tall torrent
does the plasma suck now, it feels wayyyy weaker than it used to be
not yet changed
normal bay
bad sights, release to shoot feels weird
Have you tried the mk IV? It has nicer irons
signal garden
Technically plasma lost it's weird damage-charge interaction
Right?
When 73 was the magic number or something
68? Who can say anymore
grand perch
odd sparrow
Technically plasma lost it's weird damage-charge interaction
Yes it did lose the charge-damage interaction. But a mix of the values is still good because theres not really a point in increasing thermal beyond 69 as thats where you get 8 uncharged shots
And charge rate is still only nice but not required to be maxed
quick burrow
guys math isnt mathing are my eyes correct or am i dumb or something
does this gun gain 1 extra % somehow ?
tame lodge
Rounding error somewhere
quick burrow
il buy it from melkor for the lulz then
tame lodge
Say you have 61.x and 79.x and rounded up to 62 and 80
steel veldt
I think this is bugged
I am doing it but it doesn't apply
is it because I am using exe stance and not volley fire?
even though exe stance is an augmented volley fire?
sudden cedar
No.
You have to keep it up for 20 seconds.
5 times.
You got it done once.
Now do it 4 more times.
steel veldt
I did it again
odd sparrow
5 times per match
steel veldt
and it didn't go up
steel veldt
5 times per match
oh.
sudden cedar
No.
I don't think so.
Maybe you did not actually keep it up for over 20 seconds.
Or maybe it simply didn't register, in which case.. yeah.
Fatshark Moment.
steel veldt
I am pretty sure I did because I have a mod that shows EXACT cooldown, yeah?
If cooldown is 30 sec
I held it up to like 9 sec remaining
barren cave
Itl happen , I did it recently but it takes a bit
sudden cedar
Hold it up longer.
barren cave
Gotta keep trying
sudden cedar
You also get cooldown reduction, remember that.
sudden cedar
Maybe not from you, but from other sources.
barren cave
And take the node for showing human ranged enemies
steel veldt
I have that yeah
sudden cedar
Yeah a different weapon might help with that.
barren cave
Yeah use something like infantry las
steel veldt
I thought laspistol was great
sudden cedar
Well it does pack a punch, but it is quite inaccurate.. or.. maybe.
Maybe.. it is a bit unforgiving.
Something like the Vigilant Autogun would do the trick.
Or the Revolver.
barren cave
Although I did it with recon lasgun
steel veldt
I can use my IAG
barren cave
What difficulty are you on
steel veldt
Auric usually
barren cave
Yeah you should be able to do it with auto weapons, it's easy to keep extending it with the chains of enemies in auric
barren cave
I dunno, I dont use it much
I usually use recon or iag
Or bolt pistol
Bolt pistol is great
steel veldt
how's bolt pistol on exe stance
considering you gotta reload a lot
and it's slow to reload
barren cave
I don't use exe stance anymore
I've done the penances
So no clue, haven't tried bistol on it
steel veldt
I see
barren cave
I still have to do the penance for mmf, but I'm doing it without exe stance because I'm sick of it
steel veldt
Got it Hank Motherfucker Wimbleton
long dove
I used IAG for the exec stance penance
cyan verge
for the exe stance thing, you know, what I used was the infantry autogun columnus
you also want to add ranged enemy tagging too
calm shard
I think I just did it passively on the release of the game because it was the only ability vet had xd
cyan verge
lol
yeah I think it does heavily depend on your weapon choice too
for boltgun for instance, as soon as you start to reload, in my experience, that's it for your stance
so you don't really want to take the boltgun
you have time though realistically to reload an IAG
so you can keep it going
spark canopy
I think this is bugged
make sure to use Counter-Fire as your secondary trait for your Executioner's Stance
spark canopy
I still have to do the penance for mmf, but I'm doing it without exe stance be...
use Voice of Command with Recon XIV, shoot into hordes as you see them
cyan verge
on the fence about difficulty too because on the one hand higher difficulty means more specials, but also more people on your team will be geared towards and aiming to massacre every special that exists, which leaves less targets for you...
spark canopy
i personally used Camouflage
cyan verge
what kinda talents should I take with helbore for breakpoints
how does the bayonet interact with weapon specialist also
tame lodge
You can use it to stack weapon specialist but you can't activate because you're not swapping
cyan verge
yeah so it's basically not an issue then but it's also not necessarily helping you out...
well I like it better than focus target anyway
tall torrent
what kinda talents should I take with helbore for breakpoints
which one
cyan verge
idk probably the IIIa? I dunno what the best one is
tall torrent
both 3a and 4 are good but they differ a bit
3a is more generalist
4 is very backline but packs more punch
3a
cyan verge
I assume the difference between them is like 1 or 2 nodes though
tall torrent
4
cyan verge
oh thanks
hybrid plover
how does the bayonet interact with weapon specialist also
Bayonet procs melee specialist.
trim badger
4 is very backline but packs more punch
Obviously more damage = better don't settle for baby guns 8)
hybrid plover
You get the bonus to your melee weapon even if you technically didn't fire a shot.
cyan verge
where is this, this is a steam guide right, wait, is this the veteran steam guide that... wait you're the veteran guide guy
tall torrent
Obviously more damage = better don't settle for baby guns 8)
4 is just way too slow for my taste
if 4 had like 20% faster charge I think I'd like it more
going from melee to having a fully charged & aimed shot ready takes too long
trim badger
if 4 had like 20% faster charge I think I'd like it more
Love you weight of fire
trim badger
going from melee to having a fully charged & aimed shot ready takes too long
See that's why you should play full ranged 
tall torrent
Love you weight of fire
WoF does nothing for switching between melee and ranged
I rly think all 3 should be a bit faster charging then they'd be near perfect
trim badger
I think we shouldn't make it plasma levels of good
tall torrent
they kinda already are they just do diff things for team
trim badger
tall torrent
where is this, this is a steam guide right, wait, is this the veteran steam guid...
ya
it's very polar for me sometimes I like it sometimes I hate it
tame lodge
Yup
tame lodge
where is this, this is a steam guide right, wait, is this the veteran steam guid...
It's almost finished™
Path will release soon™
tall torrent
It's almost finished™
I kickstarted a blessing overhaul
tall torrent
in this 1 move I prob delayed it by at least 1 week
tame lodge
😭
tall torrent
the nice part is
every weapon will get their own blessing section right after their own sections
so, for example
combat axe would be combat axe x3 variants + blessings
tame lodge
So it's basically "here's everything you should know about the weapon, here's the blessings they use"
tall torrent
3?
I know you're not going to include Ogryn so the third is Arby's
yea
cyan verge
3a
I basically have this... I guess I could skip shock trooper since the helbore is reasonably ammo efficient already (right?) and then take +5% ranged damage up there... but I dunno maybe skip agile engagement + that melee damage and instead just take the +ranged node, which would leave 1 point left over for... I dunno, longshot? demo team??? rending strikes????
tall torrent
I basically have this... I guess I could skip shock trooper since the helbore is...
wat this for
havoc? auric?
cyan verge
probably just aurics, what would I change for havoc though? probably not much right
tall torrent
for havoc get survivalist
cyan verge
oh, yeah that is a very good idea
tall torrent
one of the biggest upsides to using helbore in havoc is that u enable ur team to claim all ammo on map
in auric it doesn't matter
loads of ammo lying around
for havoc get demo team + twinned blast
become gambler
cyan verge
lol
tame lodge
cyan verge
krak or shredder in havoc
tall torrent
krak or shredder in havoc
frag more generalist
krak requires u to play around enemies' slots a bit for max value
cyan verge
yeah and with a helbore your crowd killing is worse, so shredder might be good there
tropic notch
krak or shredder in havoc
Frag
tropic notch
Vet is all about set up and frag helps play into that
cyan verge
hm, I guess I can see how that might be stronger than for the emperor
tropic notch
It’s pretty good vet oozes toughness
cyan verge
and if you have survivalist you're taking catch a breath right, so that's, not a lot but hey at least it syncs up there a bit
cyan verge
yeah I am used to voice of command that just gives you all your toughness back every like 30s or less
but if I play executioners stance I feel so fragile
cyan verge
I should but idk what to swap out, maybe bring it down
tall torrent
I should but idk what to swap out, maybe bring it down
25 toughness and BiD
could get twinned + marksman
marksman is higher dmg than BiD most of the time and works vs everything not just ogryns and monsters
cyan verge
that is fair, what about superiority complex?
tall torrent
that is fair, what about superiority complex?
not needed for 3a in havoc
cyan verge
fair
normal bay
Ah, timing
tall torrent
IIIa u just gotta accept that
ur gonna need to shoot dreg gunner in the head twice
lol
normal bay
Not useful for your melee though?
cyan verge
oh yeah power sword is the go-to for havoc right, is that still the thing
calm shard
yeah
tall torrent
Not useful for your melee though?
reciprocity + crit gambling is more dmg for power sword for carapace dmg
calm shard
if we don't have a psyker I run WS double barrel with a power sword
and I clear the crowds
and with smokes
I am the psyker now
calm shard
(not) infinite cleave ranged weapon? check
big bubble that stops the team from being shot? check
excellent damage output especially into high density? check
this is a psyker build
hollow ibex
Yah I know PS has pretty insane dps, but ogryn and arbi just feel so much better as a whole
tall torrent
prob 0.75s base and one grey node to get 0.5s
then we're so back
I like how I gaslit people to go from referring to arbites as arby to now arb
next month I will take it 1 step further and just type rb to leave it purposefully ambiguous as to whether I'm talking abt relic blade or arb
cinder token
tame lodge
I like how I gaslit people to go from referring to arbites as arby to now arb
That's me with the sentence
"When the class is so mid"
"when" soon™
Then it's just the PNG of master cheef with When written on it
signal garden
I'd rather the power sword be slower command power slashes and heavy for stab or whatever, with slightly improved normal attacks, rather than whatever shite we currently need to deal with
It works, it's strong, but it's not fun to use when the game starts trickling chaff at you
The power sword was designed with the mindset that chaff did a big wind up, max diff the sound cue between shwoop and hit is so tight
cyan verge
just did an auric with the IIIa without being able to see the chage indicator... now that I can see it it's like oh that's how this gun works
signal garden
Not to mention you need to fiddle around with it potentially while a dude with a gun is getting ready to wipe your TGH
cyan verge
ok now I see why people like the helbore
tall torrent
ok now I see why people like the helbore
also for mk3a
my personal preference for its setup is
maniac (flamer 1chs in havoc)
unyielding (reaper 2~3hs in havoc)
surgical
hotshot 1
u kinda don't need WoF on it
hotshot is just cracked for when u get like shotgunner lineups
cyan verge
that all makes sense to me... thanks
yeah it is actually pretty snappy so weight of fire probably not as noticeable or useful
cyan verge
well I had to install that passive charge mod to make it work for me but yeah
sudden cedar
Passive charge mod?
cyan verge
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/496 this someone recommended to me
so instead of hold and release to fire it's just aim and click
which helps a lot
sudden cedar
That sounds..
Let's just say i don't like. Borders on gaining advantages with mods. But we had this discussion before.
cyan verge
it doesn't actually change any of the like... charge up time or the delay before you can charge a new shot, which does exist, so it actually gives no advantage whatsoever, it just changes the like, tactile feedback of shooting
it's like if you made it so guile did a hadoken with like down right instead of being a charge character
and yeah I guess just due to fatshark's like very liberal mod policy, uh, yeah
compact oracle
just seems like one more way to mitigate the horrible carpal tunnel you can get playing these games
cyan verge
yeah, I mean on the one hand like... maybe there are people who actually enjoy doing that, but that is not me
oh randomly, does anyone actually use a vigilant autogun ever
cyan verge
I would guess the graia is the strongest one
sudden cedar
Both Vraks and Graia work.
Columnus is only really useful, if at all, in closest range.
All of the Marks suffer from noticeable recoil.
cyan verge
well ima invest in the graia so I can live out my elite sniper man fantasies and take infiltrate also
sudden cedar
Can't say anything to how it will function on a Veteran.
cyan verge
... is there another class it is somehow better on
veteran is the gunshooting man, everyone knows that
tame lodge
Tried ogryn?
sudden cedar
Well, i use them on my Zealot.
cyan verge
zealot carries ranged weapons????
tame lodge
Achlys Hstubber is basically vigilant
cyan verge
this is dumb
compact oracle
fascinating
cyan verge
seems kinda pointless to take close and kill but more movement speed would go well with infiltrate better...
past stratus
Longshot is really shit
past stratus
get one motion
cyan verge
oh you think? this is for vigilant autogun build
tame lodge
I knew it would be frame 1
cyan verge
wait what's the range on longshot, I just remembered it's really bad isn't it, like 50m for full bonus or something
tame lodge
0% until 12.5 meters
hybrid plover
seems kinda pointless to take close and kill but more movement speed would go we...
Close and Kill legitimately is not a bad aura
tame lodge
It's 20%, right?
hybrid plover
Its just not Survivalist.
hybrid plover
"Up to"
past stratus
I can overlook not getting superiority complex for getting that other shitty orange node because it's infiltrate build but longshot is just fatshark's little joke talent. You can't enable them, it is not a funny joke
hybrid plover
This is the one case where that's actually applicable and the bonuses start at like
12.5m
It really isn't worth it
cyan verge
yeah I'm convinced
hm, yeah I guess superiority would be up more...
but marksman is all enemies not just elites
hybrid plover
Like it's good. But it's not a decisive node like some make it out to be.
cyan verge
yeah I am concerned about my damage, idk how much I need for breakpoints
this is the graia vigilant though right so I have like, a fair amount of damage already
hybrid plover
I'd say take it solely because it's infiltrate
past stratus
Superiority complex will always do more damage to dangerous guys. Not just when you use your funny button
hybrid plover
Because the issue with infiltrate is that it has a much longer cooldown
past stratus
it's not a cool talent but Vet barely has any cool talents
cyan verge
yeah
past stratus
but it is reliable
hybrid plover
So your uptime with marksman isn't as good.
hybrid plover
With shout, you can spam the hell out of it and in some crazy cases, you can actually overlap the buffs.
scenic vapor
voice of command
STAND UP AND FIGHT !!! 
past stratus
but I must say I recently became a defender of the speedy aura and smokes, if people weren't so bad with their ammo I'd always take that aura
it is so good
at least outside of Havoc, in havoc you're kind of forced into survivalist
which is shit and unfun imo
cyan verge
yeah I am not gonna bring this stupid crap to havoc lol
hybrid plover
Survivalist is the worst aura in the game imho
past stratus
people often complain about being locked into VOC but I resent Survivalist more
hybrid plover
Not because it's bad. But because its so objectively powerful that you're pigeon holed into using it.
It's bad for balance. And it always has been.
orchid hemlock
Survivalist is the worst aura in the game imho
Someone said it 👏👏👏👏👏👏
cyan verge
yeah I don't mind voice of command personally, I fortunately find it fun to use
past stratus
Gimme the Ranger Veteran passive FS, let my allies hunt their little ammo bags 😠
orchid hemlock
Not because it's bad. But because its so objectively powerful that you're pigeon...
Fuck nevermind 😞
tame lodge
Survivalist is the worst aura in the game imho
When something is so good it's bad
Smite moment
hybrid plover
Fuck nevermind 😞
I mean if we're talking an aura that actually benefits your performance in general combat, honestly, it is the worst.
It benefits you in no way stat wise.
compact oracle
ive been running fire team forever because im a selfish asshole (because i forgot i had it)
hybrid plover
And that's why I hate it so much. It's boring and yet it's literally required in Havoc unless you're running Helbore.
past stratus
even if you're running helbore people might get angy that you don't have it
hybrid plover
And even then, people are gonna want you to run it because it benefits them too.
orchid hemlock
And even then the people on reddit are gonna tell you that you are trash 😞
hybrid plover
Hot take honestly. If they really insist to have an effect like survivalist in the game
Just make it a passive thing for vet.
Not a separate aura.
orchid hemlock
Just make it a passive thing for vet.
hybrid plover
Pandora's box has already been opened with it existing. If they insist, might as well just give more to vet as a class by just making that their thing
Instead of the bracing thing they do when crouched against cover that might as well not exist.
unreal nova
Not because it's bad. But because its so objectively powerful that you're pigeon...
But is nice in a team of selfish that grab all the ammo while you can barely match pace since dogshit stamina regen.
hybrid plover
That would be the ideal choice. But we know that isn't gonna happen. 😔
compact oracle
how would you rebalance ammo pickups
past stratus
give us the real thing cowards.
unreal nova
Unless the rebalance hands out ammo to all, eh.
hybrid plover
But is nice in a team of selfish that grab all the ammo while you can barely mat...
I always run at least one Stam delay node.
unreal nova
I always run at least one Stam delay node.
I'm forced to run onslaught then.
No way to afford going left.
compact oracle
give us the real thing cowards.
this would be hilarious in stg/havocs
just the entire map a huge breadcrumb trail of ammo pickups
past stratus
for DT it would need to be 1% ammo and probably not every Special
but still
it would be much better than what we have
hybrid plover
I'm forced to run onslaught then.
Funny, I never do. But then again I usually run weapons with decent armor damage.
unreal nova
Funny, I never do. But then again I usually run weapons with decent armor damage...
No, is the node above a -stam delay.
The only build I have that can take one easily is my recon.
I will be pathing WS, that's the thing.
I barely have enough points to get to it already.
hybrid plover
No, is the node above a -stam delay.
I run all three ability damage boost nodes. If I was running recon, then I'd go onslaught.
cyan verge
after some consideration and reading the hammer of the emperor guide I got this instead... it says gets an extra +5% ranged node but idk if it is helping me getting the extra one below shredders
signal garden
Tax is real
cyan verge
trappers survive with like 0.1% HP with all these nodes
hybrid plover
I love taxes :)
unreal nova
trappers survive with like 0.1% HP with all these nodes
They get 2 bullets or bleed out.
gilded raft
I hate your teammates too
cyan verge
no scavenger and disowning enemy aggro, yep active hostile teammate griefing
add in 30s smokes with demo team and scavenger and ohhh it's toxic
unreal nova
I never took the lower aggro thing since when I used it for penance, it was budget shout lul.
tall torrent
after some consideration and reading the hammer of the emperor guide I got this ...
wat dis for
cyan verge
graia vigilant autogun
tall torrent
is infil rly a necessity here
cuz infil most of the time is just 2 point tax to not play VoC
cyan verge
nah but it might be fun to play with
tall torrent
at least exe stance is same point cost as VoC
cyan verge
yeah I am considering going back to close & kill for something more like this since marksman's focus seems like it is making up for losing the damage from fire team + 1 small node
huh now that I look this is really similar to an infiltrate build I stole from here a while ago
that one had scavenger tho
being more sensible, could instead do this, throw out smokes and infiltrate, and then just become grenade man with a focus on killing all specials with executioners stance, but now it's like I think I may have too much damage
past stratus
it just looks like you're trying really hard to not do a standard build
cyan verge
yeah and missing out on weapon specialist or at least many of those melee talents, is a real shame since they do bulk up your damage and horde clear a bit
so it does feel a bit futile
tall torrent
being more sensible, could instead do this, throw out smokes and infiltrate, and...
What weapons are this for
cyan verge
this
hybrid plover
And what melee?
cyan verge
DSIV probably, although, it would probably be better to go like rashad just to have some horde clear, it'd also mean slightly less mobility which is a shame
cyan verge
the main thing that it'd help with is killing carapace enemies
tall torrent
this
I’m ngl
I currently don’t see any reason to use vig when helbore does basically the same thing but better in every way
hybrid plover
You need something to get hordes the hell away from you. Ds4 is great single target but not great horde clear and that'll matter when you don't have a get out of jail free button.
cyan verge
yeah
tall torrent
Helbore current role is pretty similar to Ogryn’s achlys heavy stubber
Also u can unironically run hotshot on helbore3a and then BM for power sword to do a makeshift sunder lol
Sure it can’t cleave carapace but it’ll go through a lot more things than just BM
cyan verge
the power sword is pretty sweet...
this does sound like a recipe for a very slow character tho lol
cyan verge
oh, yeah true, that isn't so bad
and I do have that
... what are curios for havoc on vet
atm it looks like I have toughness/health/health and then various misc perks but +5% toughness on all
tall torrent
... what are curios for havoc on vet
tough / health / stam for main
CDR, tough, corruption, health, rez speed, gunner, pick wat u like
cyan verge
oh so nothing all that strict then just like whatever, sure, thanks
the last time I looked into this it was like right when havoc came out so there was a lot of just theorycrafting going on
hollow ibex
Rez speed? Just take rez shout instead
cyan verge
also I am testing the helbore 3a in meat grinder just for fun and yeah it really is way better than vigilant...
calm shard
Man testing out Skirmisher in the psykhanium why does this shit stack so slow
If you could at least like tap sprint to maintain it it'd be annoying but usable
round flint
They should make Rez shout more useful by putting friendly fire damage in game. Let me cut that stupid psyker in half for falling behind, then revive him so he knows I still care
compact oracle
yeah add friendly fire so i can activate force greatsword and kill all three of my teammates at once
hollow ibex
Man testing out Skirmisher in the psykhanium why does this shit stack so slow
It stacks at a rate which just happens to be slightly longer than I normally sprint for
If only it stacks during slides
calm shard
yeah it's like
it takes just long enough that you are never getting more than one stack while sprinting if you value your life
unreal forge
Not because it's bad. But because its so objectively powerful that you're pigeon...
you say this as if the other 2 auras are even worth using
+5 damage or +5 movement 🙀
Inshallah Veteran rework will turn it into a class iconic
and you get taxed heavily if you want to use the other auras too, -2 points
past stratus
the 5% move speed is pretty good, it is the difference between kiting hordes or not
unreal forge
I'm sure it is
past stratus
Now can you argue that it should be better? Yes, definitely
cyan verge
honestly it should be like 10% for you and 5% for allies
unreal forge
Real
past stratus
you could smush those two auras together and it would be very ok. Not even close to being too strong or OP
unreal forge
or give it some stamina regeneration
cyan verge
other people get their own movespeed buffs, particularly arbites, zealot gets some too I think
so I kinda picture veterans dipping into close and kill not being able to keep up with the people they are ostensibly boosting in speed cuz I think vet gets a +5% movespeed at the top of the tree andddd that is it?
at least your ogryn friends will appreciate it
you can be slow together
well I say this, I guess psyker too
unreal forge
19 operative modifiers upon ye
I wonder if they will be turning those into base stats
past stratus
the movespeed is objectively the best aura we have, survivalist and fire team are situational. Close and Kill is always useful no matter the situation
cyan verge
technically I can't argue with that
survivalist is only like truly 'get this' if you are in havoc, and fire team is for hitting breakpoints on specific weapons I think, whereas close and kill is always useful... technically...
covert fable
What would you guys run on the stub revolver? I'm running Surgical and Hand-Cannon atm.
covert fable
ooh
that actually sounds nice asf
i didn't pay much attention to that part of the skill tree 😅
cyan verge
it's funny because you just stab any random enemy to death, even a poxwalker, and then swap weapons to refill a bullet, but uhh... I dunno...
unreal forge
people tend to go with that one for the snub nose because the snub nose trives on critical hits I think
spark canopy
whoever decided infiltrate is a good choice for the veteran's kit should be drawn and quartered
unreal forge
they just need to turn it into Bardin's smoke bomb fr
spark canopy
especially since it gives you such a fuckass difficult to see filter
cyan verge
lol
covert fable
is there a way to show my build without a bunch of pics
unreal forge
spark canopy
yes
covert fable
great
spark canopy
you can also tell us the individual perks you used
you said without a bunch of pics
so go on, start writing.
calm shard
correct
tame lodge
@/Psyker is a melee class actually
covert fable
I have this
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f82ae29-f381-4ad8-9334-8b4d473b368e/aaa-5 idk if i shared properly, but thoughts on this build?
shock maul is just random 😭
tame lodge
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f82ae29-f381-4ad8-9334-8b4d473b368e/aa...
Swap Get Back In The Fight to Catch A Breath and it should be fine
calm shard
no assail smh
assail is vastly better than both other psyker blitzes
it just means no psykinetic's aura
tame lodge
Yes but not against carapace
calm shard
it is worse against carapace than BB
and maybe unyielding?
but like you've got FGS and assumedly a gun
shoot reapers
stab the other guys
tame lodge
covert fable
Swap Get Back In The Fight to Catch A Breath and it should be fine
good idea
calm shard
nah if assail crits it should be able to 2 shot h40 flamers unless I'm misremembering
cyan verge
assail mostly kills everything tbh but especially specials
calm shard
(only one has to crit)
though assail has an obnoxious tendency to hit flamer backpacks which have fucking 80% damage reduction
covert fable
Swap Get Back In The Fight to Catch A Breath and it should be fine
i heard the damage perks on shock maul dont do much is that true?
calm shard
I run gun psyker like this
can obviously take cooldown aura instead
yeah
malefic has great uptime with FGS because of the faster lights after swapping to it
anyways perilous combustion is mostly for this
without a crit FGS barely leaves maulers alive with overhead into poke
same thing for crushers if the stab doesn't crit
yeah
it also helps keep 2 shots in havoc but for ragers not maulers/crushers
I still have unyielding on my FGS to help with killing bulwarks
hybrid plover
you say this as if the other 2 auras are even worth using
5% movement is not something to scoff at.
calm shard
maniacs/flak would be the obvious replacements if you don't want it
for ragers
yeah 5% movement speed is pretty good aura
unreal forge
you have no aura
hybrid plover
If it wasn't taxed to hell and it wasn't competing with survivalist, it'd actually be a good choice.
calm shard
I run movespeed aura on my builds for being the 2nd veteran
hybrid plover
Using that with knife actually gives you game breaking levels of movement.
tall torrent
I still have unyielding on my FGS to help with killing bulwarks
FGS boss damage big sad
It’s almost shield+maul tier
calm shard
O4B pathing into movespeed aura gives you that, and your teammates all get 5
It's not bad
calm shard
p much
unreal forge
surv also mediocre for h40 but it's the best you got unless you run smokes for some reason
calm shard
surv also mediocre for h40 but it's the best you got unless you run smokes for s...
I run smokes because it turns Twins encounters into Rinda Karnak encounters
calm shard
And also unlike psyker bubble it lasts longer than SIX seconds good lord
unreal forge
it's ogreat if you've got a rumbler ogryn and it's necessary for never running out on the Helbore but otherwise meh
hybrid plover
It's incredibly powerful in h40 because EVERYONE benefits from it.
unreal forge
maybe it's just me but I don't use gun so much that I notice survivalist
calm shard
genuinely would rather have a bot for the ammo aura stacking than any book zealot
hybrid plover
And ammo pick ups are nerfed heavily enough that you will 100% notice a difference between having a surv vet and not.
tall torrent
I wish superiority complex swapped places with fully loaded
I genuinely don’t care about that +25% reserve ammo like ever
unreal forge
+25% ammo should be a mandatory node like the +25 toughness on arbites
shouldn't be a node that you have to search for, methinks
unreal nova
I genuinely don’t care about that +25% reserve ammo like ever
The guns that might want it can't afford to go for it.
magic basalt
dump stat on plasma gun?
unreal nova
Depends on build.
unreal forge
@tired egret
tall torrent
The guns that might want it can't afford to go for it.
Idk I don’t ever find that worth taking on its own
unreal forge
youre looking for 69 thermal and 71 charge for most efficiency
tall torrent
Either swap its place with superiority complex or just delete it lol
Either is fine by me
tame lodge
i heard the damage perks on shock maul dont do much is that true?
+critical damage perk is bad
+Specific armor damage is good
Iirc Shock Mauls use carapace and maniacs on Veteran
tall torrent
It’s just so redundant
unreal forge
It's not as bad as you imply
unreal nova
Idk I don’t ever find that worth taking on its own
Then again, I do always get ppl so ammo hungry I'm literally on starting ammo and survivalist.
unreal forge
it's +25% ammo on every ammo pickup
tall torrent
It’s just, not worth the 1 point on vet tree
unreal forge
for a lot of weapons it is
tall torrent
And the placement is weird
If I want shock trooper I gotta spec 2 points into ammo when I only want shock trooper
unreal nova
It’s just, not worth the 1 point on vet tree
If only we weren't taxed so much, right?
unreal forge
19 operative modifiers
tall torrent
90% of vet problems stop existing if vet was a lv40 character
calm shard
90% of vet problems stop existing if vet was a lv40 character
vet passive they now have +10 levels
unreal nova
As said, if we get 10 more points.
calm shard
agile engagement is smoke grenade propaganda
magic basalt
what are most popular Blessings and MK for plasma gun in 40s?
calm shard
if you're taking smokes you might as well grab agile since it's right there
calm shard
chastise can double a zealots personal damage output
unreal forge
I think I'd rather chorusbot and deal no damage actually
- every single zealot player
calm shard
At least that's my experience using it compared to fotf
You lose a lot of damage from using chorus over chastize
like easily more than you give your team from the +30% buff
unreal forge
I think I'd rather a FOTF Marty Thammer Zealot than a Chorusbot anyday
narrow widget
If vet had 10 more points it avgs to like 104% more damage
yea so they should tax him 10 points instead
hybrid plover
Or mag dump a bolter
tall torrent
Still amazes me that the big 2-handed hammer has 140% block cost and its slow ass heavy swings can’t break rager combo
Very peak design fatshark
unreal forge
they're not doing this tho
hybrid plover
Make sure to shout up and close for that stagger so it all goes straight into their dome
Unless it's a bonbon
unreal forge
the average vet is gonna plasmabot and deal no monstrosity damage
hybrid plover
Fuck bonbons
hybrid plover
Plasma ain't even that good in Havoc imho
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vro?
unreal forge
yeah the vet is definitely gonna engage the boss in CQC and not any of his team
(he gets 0 toughness from hitting things without killing them)
hybrid plover
yeah the vet is definitely gonna engage the boss in CQC and not any of his team
You haven't seen good vets then.
unreal forge
good Vets are shooting the monstrosity instead of poking it
there's this thing called other enemies
and I'd rather the Vet shoot the specialists than poke the bosses
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good Vets are shooting the monstrosity instead of poking it
the ps vi push attack light combo in question:
hybrid plover
and I'd rather the Vet shoot the specialists than poke the bosses
Well that's a you problem if you think they should be shooting them
A good power sword vet will eviscerate bosses
Dueling sword. Combat knife even
Vet has good options for melee.
calm shard
not much variety in them tho
dueling sword and knife might as well be the same weapon
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yeah give him arbites shock maul instead
tall torrent
Btw I’m legit considering hotshot + BM for power sword lol
calm shard
and then there's power sword
hybrid plover
Yeah true but to say vets shouldn't be meleeing is a bold take.
tame lodge
yeah give him arbites shock maul instead
hybrid plover
dueling sword and knife might as well be the same weapon
Eh I think knife is trickier to use than dueling sword
ornate light
whats up witht eh dumpstat on plasma gun?
tall torrent
whats up witht eh dumpstat on plasma gun?
There is none
ornate light
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aight hear me out
consolidate all of vets nade talents into a single point, give him arbites shock maul and shit loads of stagger, and give him a dog as a cherry on top
past stratus
I don't think anyone that actually plays Vet would ever complain about the damage of the class, the problem is surviving long enough to deal that damage
ornate light
There is none
surely there is one
tame lodge
aight hear me out
consolidate all of vets nade talents into a single point, give...
When the class is so mid they want to give their exclusives to other classes
hybrid plover
I don't think anyone that actually plays Vet would ever complain about the damag...
Same reason why exe stance is so overlooked compared to shout.
tall torrent
surely there is one
there really isn't
unreal nova
Eh I think knife is trickier to use than dueling sword
Less range, less damage, better movement.
tame lodge
whats up witht eh dumpstat on plasma gun?
@tired egret
past stratus
Same reason why exe stance is so overlooked compared to shout.
when your class works by dodge ball rules you tend to value being alive more than dealing some more damage.
tall torrent
marksman x4
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iron will 😭
calm shard
marksman x4
value
ornate light
Is it just the thermal resist threshold that allows for an aditional shot?
hybrid plover
Marksman + close quarters + for the emperor 
Wish For the Emperor was 10s instead of 5s
tall torrent
Is it just the thermal resist threshold that allows for an aditional shot?
yes it's specifically 68.?% and idk what that ? decimal is therefore the safe recommendation is 69%
u also ideally want charge rate as high as u can so u spend less time with pre-fire delay
ornate light
yes it's specifically 68.?% and idk what that ? decimal is therefore the safe re...
fur sure
past stratus
I hate For the Emperor, why only 5s? Its so dumb