veteran-class

[marble mantle]

I’ve played combat knife. I understand pain

[arctic rampart]

yeah make sure to fullauto and eat blue stims for maximum pewpew

[fervent citrus]

are you guys sleeping on the mk3 shovel

[pallid jetty]

whats mk3

[fervent citrus]

munitorum mk3 sapper shovel

[pallid jetty]

explain in normal words

[marble mantle]

Only shovel worth my time is mk1

[fervent citrus]

it has good-feeling crowd control and nice single target damage and the special gives you huge single targe

[arctic rampart]

correct mk1 has bonk

[marble mantle]

If I want a fuckin poop scooper I’m using the poop scooper

[fervent citrus]

and it can get uncanny strike

[arctic rampart]

no reason to use mk3 shovel when ds4 and knife are better and faster at everything it can do. at least mk1 has bonk

[marble mantle]

Bonk

[fervent citrus]

i swear the mk3's special is a good bonk

[slow sky]

real and true

any other vet melee is fake and not real

[marble mantle]

So true

[slow sky]

[pallid jetty]

whats mk1 and mk3

explain in normal words

[slow sky]

Mk 3 and 7 are the folding shovels

Mk1 is the standard issue

[pallid jetty]

mk1 standard issue

mk3 and 7 are colored and bendable

[fervent citrus]

k that and the mk4 chainaxe

[arctic rampart]

mk1 is no folding bullshit just heavy and bonk

[fervent citrus]

the light attacks turn single targets to mincemeat and the heavies keep crowds at bay

backwards thinking but

[arctic rampart]

the special on the mk1 is kind of fun too

[marble mantle]

The ppl who leave rolling steel early are heretics

Different circle of hell for them

[little path]

I hate rolling steel

[marble mantle]

Then don’t join it

[little path]

so many areas where you're in an open space getting shot to shit

??????

wut

[marble mantle]

Sorry I’m feeling spiteful

Not you

I’m excited for them to add more operations

[little path]

I just click quickplay man

[void dragon]

its fine, Rolling steel also hate us

[junior grail]

Idea for another Operations map, hopping between moving giant elevators like the last event on Hallowettes map

[void dragon]

the trick is to hate it even more so we kill all out of spite

[void dragon]

that scene of General Grievous from the SW: clone wars cartoon as a giant nurgle demon chase us

[junior grail]

The Gendy Tartovsky version?

[void dragon]

yep, basically this but with more cardio

(now I want that new Vet weapon to be a rocket launcher, still would want a power gauntlet)

[junior grail]

Rocket Launcher with only 5 shots

Bardin Troll Torpedo Launcher is that you?

Would actually be a great reason to go melee Vet

[unreal nova]

No lethal prox, no interest. Already melee vet.

[void dragon]

If a build has a melee weapon then it is a melee build

*dive stupidly in meleker

[hybrid plover]

One of the best staggering attacks in the game tbh

Can straight up stop a crusher overheading in it's tracks

[red fox]

hows revolver in aurics for vet

[calm shard]

best gun in the game

ridiculous cleave, ridiculous damage

[hybrid plover]

Literally one of the best in the game

[red fox]

wait really?

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

[red fox]

👀

[hybrid plover]

Crazy good with weapon specialist because its finesse multiplier is stupidly strong

[compact oracle]

oneshots gunners, extremely generous hitbox, pretty quick reload, destroys everything that isnt carapace (and it does solid at that)

its pretty good

[red fox]

shiet

ive been missing out

[red fox]

Weapon specialist huh? Would you go left and right then or centre right

for bottom of the tree

[hybrid plover]

I mean if you're running that, you tend to go down all three sides of the tree at the bottom

Vet is bottom loaded in its tree

[red fox]

Would you recommend reload perks for the revolver?

[hybrid plover]

Nope. If you run weapon specialist with it, naturally you'd also run the perk that auto reloads on kills while having your melee weapon out

If you don't, then yeah I'd run reload perks.

[elder vessel]

chainaxe thuuugghh

[red fox]

That' "Always prepared"?

[hollow ibex]

Yes

[red fox]

Thanks thanks

[fervent citrus]

i have recently noticed i had a tier 1 blessing against carapce on my power sword

also was it brutal momentum that was the other good blessing or am i dumb

[narrow frost]

mk3 sunder power

mk6 BM power

[fervent citrus]

okay those two changes alone turned me from supbar to a blender

jesus fuck

[spark canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/im-done-fuck-you-im-fucking-done-im-done-with-your-bullshit-markiplier-gif-19793649

[carmine zealot]

That was murder to finish.

[spark canopy]

i did most of it in a day

but golly gee whitacker

did i ever want to castrate myself with a rusky cleaver

[carmine zealot]

Felt really stupid crabwalking everywhere.

[spark canopy]

i went with Camoflague, Recon XIV, and just shot into hordes

[carmine zealot]

I think I did solo mortis trials to finish off all the difficult penances.

[slow sky]

That penance counts any kill

As long as you have enough stacks, melee kills work too

[spark canopy]

yeah i know

but it's still a fuckass awful penance

[hollow ibex]

at least it's not a private game penance

[spark canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/im-done-fuck-you-im-fucking-done-im-done-with-your-bullshit-markiplier-gif-19793649

[red fox]

Is there a reason to use the Mk3?

[spark canopy]

i am not looking forward to the Zealot's mastery

[unreal nova]

Stealth loner bs.

[spark canopy]

oh that one was done in a day

i just had to play like an idiot in a public

no, i have to do the crowd control, stunned elites, fire bomb, and the beacon of purity one

[unreal nova]

Beacon is easy.

Just join grim missions.

I'm not kidding, some idiot will pick up the grim.

If they are slow enough, 1-2 missions done.

[red fox]

I think most people don't realise you can get rid of it

[spark canopy]

I kinda like grimoire missions

They make it fun and difficult without too much difficulty

[red fox]

You shouldn't self harm ):

[spark canopy]

I still need to get my grimoire mission penances done

Fucking hate that MMF one though

Atrocious

Actually no I think

I think the prenerf Justice Dispensed is worse

Where it was 3500 elites and specialists with EO and not 750

[wicked epoch]

i wil always wonder why vet has a desert camo armor set in the commisary

commissary

like why is it so

desert

we are in the sewers

wait i js realized they all have desert stuff

[red fox]

I wonder if it could have anything to do with those desert maps

🤔

[junior grail]

I want a more deserty desert map, with caves leading to underground tunnel systems, sheer cliffs and the rare natural oasis which would baffle our Rejects

[red fox]

while we're dreaming i'd like that Vet rework pls

[junior grail]

"Best we can do is a non-Aquila event"

[red fox]

https://tenor.com/view/crycat-crying-cat-crying-cat-thumbs-up-thumbs-up-ok-gif-22851318

legit a way to make aquillas in game would up this game's player retention so much more

[narrow frost]

I don't see it

But others do

[hollow ibex]

Sometimes it’s fun for different vibes

[dense belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-fake-laugh-hiding-real-pain-x-men-marvel-gif-16035264

[surreal rune]

power sword dump stat?

ive seen mobility but also cleave target

[strange fog]

Dump is cleave target if you take the brutal momentum blessing, because it makes the cleave target mostly irrelevant.

I went mobility dump because I was playing around with sunder and helbore lasgun hotshot blessing.

But I'm just messing around I'm not one of the number cruncher min maxers

[dense belfry]

damage.

for the meme

[steep flower]

Never gonna happen cause Tencent

[red fox]

imma be real i don't think tencent does much outside of their 1st party games

[frigid shuttle]

I mean, tencent bought their stake in 2019? What's the excuse before then? 😄

[steep flower]

Lazyness

[frigid shuttle]

I think

[steep flower]

Now its Lazyness multiplied by peacefull countrys greed

[hybrid plover]

i want to scream

stealth vet dumping aggro literally made us wipe

[glacial void]

Can i ask which is the most viable (or fun but still effective) melee

[hybrid plover]

shovel :)

okay real talk, shovel is fun but mainly a good horde clear weapon.

if we're talking the most viable, that's between dueling sword and power sword

[steep flower]

Don’t forget about elites; it mulches them into heap of shit

[normal bay]

Combat axe, heavy sword, power sword, duelling sword, chain axe, knife. You have plenty of options

[hybrid plover]

but shovel, combat knife, chain axe, tac axe are also good options if you dont wanna lean into the meta stuff too much

[late jungle]

honestly all of vets melee options r pretty fun

as long as its not power or dueling sword ..

[hybrid plover]

funny i say combat knife not being meta

and true, shovel does hurt elites, but it definitely lacks on the front of boss killing

[steep flower]

Chainaxe mentioned moment

[normal bay]

Or just vibe with the funny bonk noises from shovel

And one shot crushers with the fold attacks on the mk3

[hybrid plover]

so you need a good ranged for unyielding

[glacial void]

i'll try SHOVE

[steep flower]

Or use Mk I so you may pick a good carapace mulching ranged weapon

[hybrid plover]

is why i use shovel with bolter.

helbore also works

but shovel + helbore is a setup you really gotta get used to

gotta play more deliberately to make that work

it's very fun though

and it's the ideal krieg cosplay so style points too

also, mk1 is best shovel

dont @ me

[late jungle]

hellbore kinda makes me snooze ..

[hybrid plover]

it does not have the folding component like the other sapper shovels do but the special can outright stop a crusher in its overhead

[steep flower]

@hybrid plover

[hybrid plover]

and it comes out fast

and the push attack actually does some real good damage

[steep flower]

Mutant too but you must hit the head

[hybrid plover]

ye

it's a little risky to do

but it's funny

[steep flower]

Overrated i would say; if you need to smack anything but carapace just spam lights they are strikedowns & are fast

[hybrid plover]

yeah i'd honestly mostly use it for carapace or in the worst case scenarios, trying to hit bosses if they're actually coming for you

[steep flower]

Mk I & Mk III are the best in their own regard; Mk VII is a mix of the 2 and its the worst

[hybrid plover]

I don't understand why the mkvii even exists

It's just

There

[steep flower]

If you use helbore use Mk III shovel; its gonna be better vs armor & helly does nicely vs unyielding

[hybrid plover]

funny story about mkvii

when i was really starting to getb into darktide, i actually saw the recommendation from tanner and that's what made me try the shovel. specifically the mkvii.

and then i tried the others and now i wonder why he lied and said that was the best shovel

it being a mix of both worlds isn't a good thing when it doesn't do both things particularly well

[steep flower]

Well… he is a special boi lets put it at that

[hybrid plover]

i was but a humble, unknowing reject

[steep flower]

The main problem with it is the stuck animation when you hit anything with the flip mode; you cannot dodge away and that will get you killed eventually

And dogwater push att

[hybrid plover]

yep. noticed that soon enough. mkiii is much snapper with the special and the heavy light horde clear combo is good enough

[steep flower]

Same as Mk I but its overall dmg & moveset balances one bad thing about it nicely

[steep flower]

I just spam lights; push att is goated too; the only bad move is the second heavy att which nobody uses ever so its ok

[hybrid plover]

yeah that's the one awkward thing about it

i kinda wish it was like the c axe where it just keeps the overheads going

it's a little confusing they didn't go that route

but a little off track, yeah vet honestly has a bunch of good options. they can make a lot of their arsenal work

devil's claw and chain sword are the only two i feel are lacking

[dense belfry]

meta weapons?

[leaden wagon]

Mk VI power sword is pretty much necessary to me, while other swords can compare you're frankly just gonna get more mileage with the power sword in everything as long as you know how to use it

Light attacks mixed with heavy attacks for solid sweeps to eradicate the chum, block-followup, light, repeat for single target murder

Plasma gun is good, one round shreds through pretty much everything in its path like voidstrike but better
Bolter is good, take the bleed + shattering impact and refine it with carapace and unyielding and you've got yourself a heavy killer (works really good with arbites, too)

I'm special, I use an infantry autogun because it's fast, readily available, cheap ammo, kills my target quickly (which is usually elites; i reserve heavies and bosses for my sword)

@dense belfry that help?

[dense belfry]

not the heavy sword?

[dense belfry]

kind of, got some of those but they kind of suck.

power sword is bad at blocks imo.

that or Vet has no stamina

[late jungle]

thats kinda vets whole thing i think yeah

[dense belfry]

vet: no buffs since launch because fatshark offer the lore accurate guardsman experience.

dead within the hour

[leaden wagon]

never rely on a vet's survivability

you survive by killing shit before it kills you

if you want to be a bullet sponge, roll ogryn or zealot

[leaden wagon]

i never understood heavy sword tbh

[normal bay]

Heavy sword is good but you'll want something to deal with armour

[leaden wagon]

heavy sword just doesnt do what i need it to do when i need to do it tbh

if you guys have advice on how to make it good i'm all ears

[dense belfry]

it's gunners that are the issue

[normal bay]

Huh

[dense belfry]

i can maneuver around a group of maulers and crushers fine

so much so that i find the chainsword easier as a hit and run method

but gunners are different

they're evil

they have the nerve to be 110% accurate

[normal bay]

But you just shoot them

Why does this matter for melee? Lol

[dense belfry]

i'm not talking strict melee

i'm talking in general

by the time i notice gunners, my toughness has just broken

it's always when i least expect them.

i want to deal with them easier

especially with a shotgun build

[normal bay]

Flak + maniac, deathblow + headtaker

With desperado, it will headshot a dreg rager with one headtaker stack. The special can stagger both ragers out of their combo. It just struggles with armoured units.

The IX has incredibly strong horde clear with heavies, so you can get back to shooting. And with less of the messing around with PS

[normal bay]

You'll need to work on your awareness, and knowledge of spawn points, learn to dodge and utilise cover. Utilising sprinting and sliding as well

[dense belfry]

yeah... maybe i should stop running my shotgun build...

it is annoying

[leaden wagon]

Awareness is the number one key

you can know how to block and how to dodge and how to sprint and how to slide

but if you cant tell when a mob is sneaking up behind you

you will die

and it will be hilarious

and then annoying

[dense belfry]

❓

i guess 4 gunners are a mob

[leaden wagon]

it is MORE than enough to kill or severely injure you

those are hellgunners

that shit kills space marines

[normal bay]

4 gunners isn't that scary. You can get WAAAAAY bigger spawns

Also, gunner resist on curios

[leaden wagon]

yeah on auric you get like

no fewer than 30 at a time

at some point i got tired of pretending i want to play the game smartly and i ran 3 gunner resists, it's a skip for a problem im not of a mind to solve

[dense belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-stare-scared-shocked-wtf-gif-11869033912413958490

[dense belfry]

in that case, do i stop with the additional wound curio?

[normal bay]

The humble 6 Reaper spawn

Fuck that honestly lmao

[normal bay]

Wound curios are bait

You'll be harder to down with more toughness in the first place

[leaden wagon]

Reapers are the most irritating enemies in the game

[dense belfry]

i'm not sure

[leaden wagon]

besides trappers

and pox hounds

and mutants

and crushers

and dreg ragers

[dense belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/dredd-burn-watching-apathy-karl-urban-gif-20285124

[leaden wagon]

and groaners

and dreg gunners

[dense belfry]

reapers have killed me faster than anything else

[normal bay]

And if your team can't get you up (common) wound curios are completely worthless

[leaden wagon]

i think a build can best be defined by the reaper-crusher test

can you kill 5 reapers and 5 crushers within 12 seconds with your build

[normal bay]

Bin them off and experience survivability

If you're going down that frequently between medicae, you may need to drop the difficulty tbh

Of course bad games and bullshit happens from time to time

[dense belfry]

i usually pin my location and hope my team defend it.

usually doesn't work with lower levels.

[normal bay]

Not always possible or practical

[dense belfry]

true

got to make sure we aren't in the open

[dense belfry]

i'll see if brunt's servitors has any dirt cheap ones wihin my price bracket

[leaden wagon]

The truth of the matter is you can expect your teammates to stay generally near you

but don't lag behind or you will just be left to die

they dont really

pay attention to pings

hell i barely do

[normal bay]

And if they abandon you, bring the horde coming from behind to them

Maybe they'll learn their lesson

[dense belfry]

i play on Heresy, we don't get those here.

[late jungle]

i cant lie heresy probably gives u like. the worst teammates in the entire game aswell

[leaden wagon]

oh yeah i genuinely

struggle more with heresy than auric

it's the transitive difficulty between the wheat and the chaff

i'm usually expected to more-or-less carry my team and even on a lessened difficulty that is just so not practical

[dense belfry]

true, but i keep getting bashed for using my chainsword too much, and the meta warriors won't take "why" for a question

i'm levelling up my shit so i can do damnation

[normal bay]

I won't ever complain about someones weapon choice (although the rumbler and smite users are pushing it) but if you're struggling with it you may want to branch out. It's not great on vet

Works well on a zealot crit build

And it's decent on arby

[steep flower]

You should; don’t be like the rest of the pepegas

[normal bay]

5 million 15% damage talents will do that

[formal hamlet]

Got my first resource payout from the Havoc thing, 23k diamantine.

[quick burrow]

this the tax ?

[tame lodge]

Yeah just gotta get that pen up

And maybe change any of the blessings to Brutal Momentum

Otherwise just throw it in the trash

Keep it there

Also mk7 is the popular

Although Mk2 is also good

[quick burrow]

oh really BM on the tax, the guide said head and shred was the play but i can try BM

im 1 lvl away from 500 power up

[tame lodge]

Shred ht works, it's just that BM is too good

[tulip ivy]

How do i use weapons specialist properly?

[tame lodge]

Melee kill stack ranged buff and vice versa

Kill then swap to activate

After 3 melee kills your ranged has a guaranteed critical hit

[tulip ivy]

same with gun?

kill 3 with gun swap to melee?

[unreal nova]

Gun just needs 1 kill.

[tulip ivy]

okay

so one gun kill give me one melee crit and three melee kills gives me one ranged crit

[tropic imp]

The melee benefit is 10% attack speed and extra dodge distance

[tulip ivy]

alright what's the best gun for the adeptus assassin penance?

[tame lodge]

Zarona revolver most likely

[tulip ivy]

thank you

i presumed it be that or the bolt pistol

[teal canyon]

Marksman's focus is anxiety

I do not enjoy it

[unreal nova]

It's 10 secs of aspd and dodge range.

[unreal nova]

Bolt pistol breakpoints is horrible though, and bleed kills don't count to the penance so you need to take certain nodes as well.

[tulip ivy]

ah

so revolver is just the best choice for getting the penance then?

[unreal nova]

Yes.

Unless you intend to play lower diffs and/or focus on only certain specials.

[scenic vapor]

if u hit heads the boltpistol should also work but revolver is the safe option

[unreal nova]

Not really unless you take the weakspot damage nodes.

[teal canyon]

Guns in dark tide make lil sense

[unreal nova]

Only lower hp specials die in one hit otherwise.

[scenic vapor]

oh yeah ur right he needs to go right tree

[unreal nova]

No, left.

[scenic vapor]

for weapon specialist?

[unreal nova]

You need to invest into ranged damage and the weakpoint damage for bistol.

[scenic vapor]

im talking about getting the penance

[unreal nova]

Or you only have bp for trappers and snipers.

Rest will bleed out or take 2-4 shots.

You MUST kill in 1 shot.

[scenic vapor]

he needs to go right to get the penance but u wwould need to go left to kill in oneshot

thats what im trying to say

[unreal nova]

Yes, why you need to invest more for bistol for it.

[scenic vapor]

yeah i realized that after what i said

[unreal nova]

Revolver has more 1 shots without needing if you wanna go more into 'nades.

[scenic vapor]

yeah revolver breakpoints should be better for that

[tulip ivy]

revolver is overall the better choice

or a shotgun if i get lucky

though i could soften up heretics with my knife and then use the keystone on them

[unreal nova]

Crits, RIP.

[tulip ivy]

yeah

what do you think would be the best melee weapon for getting the penance?

[scenic vapor]

dueling sword should be good

[tulip ivy]

got it which mk?

[scenic vapor]

this or power sword

[scenic vapor]

i think it was IV

[tulip ivy]

k thank you

[signal garden]

Bolt pistol has terrible 2nd shot accuracy

[red fox]

Just did my first auric maelstrom

that was horrifying

[tame lodge]

Great

Again!

[red fox]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-mr-incredible-not-strong-enough-gif-25547952

died once, teammates were genuinely goated ;w;

[tame lodge]

Just remember to read the modifiers so you don't accidentally use all your ammo on a no ammo mael

[red fox]

ok i did not know that was a thing

but thank you

[normal bay]

The suffering is the key

[red fox]

my teammates i think didn't even down

or maybe once

how ;w;

[tame lodge]

Yeah
CIVI or as we call it
Scab Melee

It's one of the hardest maels

And pretty peak

[red fox]

me huddled in a corner like, if i can just get this power sword to turn on

nope im dead

bad positioning

[signal garden]

To be fair if ever there was a weapon to be overrun wit it's the power sword

Razor thin margins

[red fox]

yea im trying to do better with positioning so i thought i'd force myself to use one that punishes it the most

[signal garden]

I think power sword is the reason shredder grenade is so popular

[red fox]

in what sense?

[signal garden]

Because finally you can ignore the enemies that over run you

[red fox]

is it cuz it's get out of jail free card when getting overrun

[signal garden]

Because they're all dead

[red fox]

cuz i feel very called out right now

🥹

[serene bough]

psword is one of the few vet weapons that works without melee point investment

and its great at clearing mixed hordes too

[signal garden]

An auric maelstrom has so many specs and elites popping you should be getting your grenades back constantly

[red fox]

good balance i suppose that if you fuck up with it you're dead

[serene bough]

it has poor mobility but weapon specialist helps with that a lot

[signal garden]

Poor mobility asks you to use the bolt pistol

Asks you to clear with nade and then you poke carapace and unyieldings down

It's a vicious cycle

[past stratus]

the shredder is popular because it has insane area, stagger and the bleeding is quite good

[serene bough]

yeah shredders being great are independent of the psword

[past stratus]

despite of your loadout

[red fox]

am i an idiot for doing Auric Mael without VOC

[elder vessel]

No

[serene bough]

VoC is the easiest to use, but its not mandatory for auric

[elder vessel]

ball as thy must

[red fox]

verily

[serene bough]

its not mandatory for havoc either but its definitely heavily suggested that you bring

[red fox]

yea i sometimes just feel shit that i'm not helping the team with VOC

[past stratus]

I don't think anyone cares what you bring for auric mael

probably because you aren't

being very honest

lmao

[red fox]

yeas but i look very cool

with infinite exec stance

😎

I mentioned before but im just trying to learn to play without it

[serene bough]

i mean in auric you can truly play with anything

[past stratus]

I just wish people didn't demonize VOC just because it is Vet's best option atm, it's ok to want variety but you have to recognize the strengths and weaknesses of each ability in the kit

[serene bough]

i dont think its demonized, i just think people dont like being pigeon holed into one build all the time

[red fox]

im worried that relying on it is gonna make me a worse player as i learn bad habits

[signal garden]

They're not demonizing VoC, if you whine about it enough people may hear it and parrot it and it should trickle up to fatshark

And maybe even in time for veterans big 2025 update

(lol)

[past stratus]

the other day I saw someone complaining they were doing bad, playing bolt pistol exec stance. Like gee I wonder why

[serene bough]

id like to bring exe stance to havoc

[signal garden]

Feels bad

[serene bough]

but its more or less throwing to bring over VoC unless you're super sweaty

[tall torrent]

fml

[past stratus]

VOC is a strong team ability, so bringing it or not is a matter of trusting your team mates

[signal garden]

Thing about exe stance I really can't get over the more I play is the tightening of the FoV

Some nights I really notice it and I want to throw up from motion sickness

[past stratus]

are you doing every single blessing of every single weapon in the game?

sheesh

[signal garden]

Like I set it to ~105 for a reason

[tall torrent]

skipping ogryn cuz ogrynomicon is fairly detailed already

[past stratus]

damn I thought you were working on just the vet guide. That is a way bigger undertake, good luck 🫡

[red fox]

yea that sucks

it really should restore huge toughness on kill or something D:

[tall torrent]

was

[past stratus]

the combo part is crazy work man holy shit, that's a lot of effort. And I thank you for it

[sly orchid]

did you use the same combo sceme as the vt2 wiki for weapons?

[tall torrent]

never looked it up

[sly orchid]

o

In the white boxes, the arrows indicate the direction of each attack. Red and green arrows show transitions between attack patterns when using Heavy (red) or Light (green) attacks.

[grand lynx]

Can I be a Veteran Class and medic ish ? Sorry new to game or is there a way to be a ranged medic?

[signal garden]

So as arbites and ogryn should have proven all good abilities have a get out of jail card or TGH generation since those are the only 2 things that matter when 1 shooter can kill your TGH if you aren't looking
It just so happens they also come with extreme combat freedom, exe stance is literally just damage, but it's the kind of damage made worthless depending on your team or the map

[past stratus]

the extra little bits with the little armor and stuff is such a nice detail

[serene bough]

before the class rework it used to give massive TDR which should return

[sly orchid]

if you want to be medic related i guess field improvisation and voice of command

[tall torrent]

yea but DT has more combo inputs just by having special action actually do smth

and

push is not the same thing as push atk

[past stratus]

No not really, Veteran has some nice support options but there is no such thing.

[serene bough]

unless you run ghost blessing then its hard to keep fighting against a swarm of gunners

[tall torrent]

they can sometimes chain into diff attacks

[grand lynx]

Is it viable to be one?

[signal garden]

@grand lynx infiltrate I guess, although voice of command is way better at stunning enemies so you can go pick someone up if they've been netted

Damage is the best support you can provide your team

In that sense ogryn is the best support

[grand lynx]

Is there a class that is like a medic that uses ranged weapons mostly?

[signal garden]

Yeah gun lugger ogryn

[tall torrent]

no

[late jungle]

i dunno about medic but veteran certainly has some nice "support" options

focus target keystone my beloved ❤️

[signal garden]

Medic isn't a thing, everybody being competent at de-netting is a baseline indicator of intelligence though

[grand lynx]

Ah ok it sucks that I can’t have a play style like a twanged medic that works😥

[past stratus]

VOC, Field improv, the FT toughness thing are all decent support options if that is your thing

[red fox]

if you think about it

killing enemies, is a

pre-healing

you stop the damage before it can even happen

[grand lynx]

So I am a noob that wants to get into the game so have no clue what any of these things are but the one thing I do know is Veteran Class will most likely be my main as I here he focus mostly on Ranged Correct?

[sly orchid]

well

[red fox]

No

[grand lynx]

LOL u ain’t wrong friend 😁👍

[tame lodge]

Yes

Here's the thing

Out for blood

[grand lynx]

Fire away lol

[sly orchid]

darktide is focused on mixing ranged and melee

[tame lodge]

Born Leader

Then

[late jungle]

i wouldnt say that ..

[tall torrent]

psyker is the mostly-ranged-focused class

not veteran

[tame lodge]

You pick a ranged weapon with Glory Hunting

So

As long as you keep killing

[grand lynx]

Is it really didn’t sound like it?

[tame lodge]

Any kills really because of Out for blood

[tall torrent]

yea lol

[tame lodge]

You kill

[crimson pebble]

unless youre playing las weapons youll simply run out of ammo

[tame lodge]

You give toughness to your team

[normal bay]

Staffs don't need ammo, you din't really need to stop your ranged attacks lol

[tame lodge]

Also bring frag grenade

[grand lynx]

What so is what ranged is Pyker then guns??

[tame lodge]

And a good melee at killing lots of things

[past stratus]

I guess this here is my best shot at being supporty with Veteran. You can do this or go Smoke if you really want to try and save your team from their own stupidity

[normal bay]

Or just run Helbore IV with shocktrooper

Infinite ammo baaabbyyyy

[tall torrent]

infinite ammo big blueball of death
infinite ammo flamethrower
infinite ammo grenade launcher equivalent
infinite ammo single target lightning

sorry but vet is not the ranged class

hasn't been for almost 2y now

[tame lodge]

Infinite auto aiming shards

[marble mantle]

I mean, if you use shock troop what’s the difference. Not losing ammo anyway lol

[grand lynx]

So this other class that you are talking about what guns are viable to use on it?

[tame lodge]

Yes

Gunker

Aka gun psyker

[tall torrent]

excluding recon ur prob not gonna use that supposedly-infinite ammo lasgun to shoot at waves of hordes

[crimson pebble]

even ogryn out dps vet in pure ranged

[tame lodge]

Where you use your melee most of the times

[marble mantle]

True and fair

[marble mantle]

Does Ogryn out DPS optimal exe stance?

[red fox]

highest recon las gun cause of death: thinking your las gun can cut the horde down before it gets to you

[marble mantle]

With pbb

[crimson pebble]

rumblr

[marble mantle]

Fuckin rumbler

[signal garden]

Does ogryn out dps is the question

And the answer is always ofc

[crimson pebble]

also iv had 2mill dmg games where 1.2 was from kickback alone

[red fox]

ive never played Ogryn but is their melee busted compared to ours?

[grand lynx]

So I am confused now lol

[marble mantle]

Yes

[signal garden]

Busted lol

[red fox]

i just watch them tear through the rotten crushers like nothing

[crimson pebble]

insanely so

[marble mantle]

But had like way less variety if you ask me

[tame lodge]

Absolutely

[signal garden]

Not only is it busted it's braindead

[red fox]

aha

Hahaha

[signal garden]

Spam lights

[crimson pebble]

the only none insane ogryn melee is power maul and its not even rlly bad its just that everything else is absurd

[marble mantle]

Once Ogryn gets brass knuckles I’m going back there but quite frankly they don’t have enough variety for me rn

[trim badger]

The best support You can do is killing your enemies so they don't hurt your friends

[tame lodge]

True

[signal garden]

I really hate rumbler

Oh look a stagger proof enemy

I can't see that it's a crusher doing an overhead behind the smokecloud

I guess I'll just die

[red fox]

This has been my experience this entire event

[signal garden]

Thanks dickhead

[grand lynx]

Yea I am confused now so Pysker is a Range Medic?

[red fox]

spotted one crusher in the smoke, dodge, feel cool. 3 crushers in the smoke behind it

become cadian pancake

[red fox]

Nothing is a medic

[tall torrent]

no

[red fox]

This game has no medics

[signal garden]

Well to be fair those crushers aren't stagger proof

[past stratus]

Ogryn can be at times, immortal while in melee. Something a Veteran can only dream of

[tall torrent]

u gotta stop thinking about medic lol

[signal garden]

@grand lynx what is your obsession with medics

[red fox]

your medic is

[marble mantle]

Closest thing to a medic is beacon but like, not even in the stratosphere

[grand lynx]

Yea no buy for me then 🤷‍♂️😥

[red fox]

This guys

staped to the wall

[marble mantle]

Yeah this isn’t really an rpg. It’s a hack n slash

[signal garden]

Darktide and Vermintide have a magical ecosystem when it comes to supporting your team

[unreal nova]

Field improv+Born Leader lul.

[red fox]

Deathwing has a medic

[past stratus]

yeah if your intention was to play a support focus class, we don't have that yet

[red fox]

can play that, but its very janky

[past stratus]

don't think we are going to get it

[tame lodge]

Closest thing you have to a medic is restoring toughness to your team

[tall torrent]

we do but it's not a medic lol

[trim badger]

A shame but understandable

There is toughness Support builds but nothing that heals HP

[marble mantle]

Arbitrator with nuncio is closest we have rn, or like zealot with chorus

[signal garden]

And it mor eornless boils down to working together and being in a position to bail someone out

[grand lynx]

Deathwing that’s the console abandoned game right?

[unreal nova]

Shout+Born Leader

[trim badger]

Born leader + Shout

[crimson pebble]

dont let it dissuade you from vet all classes are still viable till end game havoc content just some (ogryn,arbites) are w little more viable

[steep flower]

Tbh tho; it may not be insane but it does insane work where your classic ogryn melee choices would never achieve

[past stratus]

yeah but not in the way this person seems to want their support.

[red fox]

No idea im only on PC

[trim badger]

Vet is one of the best Havoc classes with his meta build and people are blind to it...

[grand lynx]

Nah if I can’t be a healer pass

[tame lodge]

Welp

[crimson pebble]

i mean no ones a healer

[sly orchid]

you cant be a healer in darktide

[tame lodge]

Sorry for your loss

[trim badger]

You can be a toughness (armor) generation machine

[tame lodge]

Godspeed out there

[marble mantle]

You’d be better off playing like an mmo

[unreal nova]

Because the avg vet off pf is kinda bad.

[grand lynx]

How

[sly orchid]

tide games never had a healer

[tall torrent]

press F

[late jungle]

yeah i see a lot of people calling vet boring and i dont rlly get it ..

[red fox]

stop lying to this man 😭 end of the day you need to kill the mutant, burn the heretic, purge the unclean

The only heal is kill

[signal garden]

i dont think hes going to play since you cant be a medic

[sly orchid]

taxe vet is crazy fun

[grand lynx]

So support then someone said armour or something guess that is kida support lol

[past stratus]

there is no healing ability in this game, at most you restore toughness and cure corruption

[signal garden]

after all medic is never a class that works in a L4D type game

[red fox]

Yea but to support you need to kill

[signal garden]

it would upset the delicate balance of damage prevention and enemy intensity

[red fox]

so you main job is still killing

[late jungle]

i do think vet is pretty strong support-wise

[marble mantle]

TECHNICALLY…… holy revenant

[late jungle]

being able to give ur entire team constant damage buffs with the focus target tree is kind of awesome methinks

[past stratus]

don't confuse the guy

[grand lynx]

That sound close to it we are getting to somthing now lol

[late jungle]

(+toughness regen

[trim badger]

Well there's this ability that shouts and gives you and your teammates toughness (basically armor)

That ability has a subnode that upgrades said armor into gold toughness (super armor)

Vet also has another ability that gives your teammate extra toughness based on how much toughness you generate yourself

So in simple terms, combine these 3 and you can armor up your teammates consistently

[tall torrent]

the closest thing to a dedicated support class is zealot with chorus (ability) and IoD (passive) getting his ult back every <10s when psyker pops off which staggers everything and makes everyone indestructible for a while

u will usually end up with less dmg than everyone else but it is by far the strongest "dedicated support" build

[crimson pebble]

the best support you can offer your team is killing the enemy not helping them be better at killing the enemy

[marble mantle]

Idk, nuncio is pretty support oriented

[red fox]

Who swapped out pox gas for copium

[trim badger]

In Havoc vets gets ult more consistently than Zealot 8)

[tame lodge]

They're not vet players

[unreal nova]

Or lone wulf for inf shock mines.

Be a smyker that can still bonk.

[red fox]

tbf ive only levelled an arbi and a zealot and i still hop back to vet

[unreal nova]

Heh.

[steep flower]

Why not both

[tame lodge]

Tbf

[red fox]

love vet, 'ate coppers, 'ate priests, not racist just don't lik em

simple as

[tame lodge]

If you're under the chorus influence

[grand lynx]

This class isn’t ranged focus though?

[past stratus]

No

[tame lodge]

Your health simply can't go below 1

[trim badger]

I'm not using a point in Born Leader sorry bro

[red fox]

The opposite of ranged focus

[signal garden]

you can ranged focus on every class

[grand lynx]

This sounds like the sort of thing but is this viable

[signal garden]

that doesnt mean you should always be like that

because in warhammer theres usually an emphasis on melee combat

[grand lynx]

Yea nah range please

[trim badger]

This is the most played build style in the highest difficulties yes

[signal garden]

unless youre a blue skinned xenos with brittle boones

[red fox]

thats an ultimate ability, if the only part of the game you enjoy is pressing F every few minutes

you gonna have a bad time

[signal garden]

like even on tabletop the only faction to turn the core gameplay on its head is the tau

[crimson pebble]

the least ranged focues class is zealot even tho they get the flamer which is one of the best ranged weapons but anyway

[red fox]

Y'all need to leave this poor man alone

[signal garden]

because they dont have a melee phase iirc

[past stratus]

the particular thing you want as a ranged support/healer thing does not exist in this game.

[ocean swallow]

Insufferable support sissies

[sly orchid]

its the meta on vet

[trim badger]

"few minutes" you mean every 10s or less

[sly orchid]

voice of command is almost always picked because of golden toughness

[trim badger]

xdddd

[tall torrent]

no

[past stratus]

I too enjoy support/healer classes but it is not a thing in this game

[tall torrent]

alternatively
psyker with infinite dome shield for havoc is pretty dedicated range spec

[red fox]

lmao fair

[grand lynx]

So can I have this and have unlimited ammo to a degree?

[sly orchid]

yes

[signal garden]

i feel like half of your questions could be remedied the fun way

[trim badger]

It's advertised as such but the gameplay evolved into him being mostly melee

There are excellent ranged builds, either involving Recon Lasgun or Hellbore, but for the most part you'll melee if you don't run these

[sly orchid]

but ammo on weakspot crits for laser weapons is a point investement

[crimson pebble]

youll have to play las weapons but sort of

[sly orchid]

since its on the left treee

[unreal nova]

Some ppl don't wanna put into things that are situational or only affect others.

[red fox]

big fucking asterisk

[grand lynx]

So This is the reason why I said I want to be a vet main at the start lol

[signal garden]

||by playing the game and finding out||

[tame lodge]

You know, sounds like you're coming from Killing Floor

💀

[red fox]

aw i used to be the medic on KF1 i get it

[tame lodge]

Which I understand because kf3💀

[late jungle]

🥀

[tall torrent]

also wdym by ranged focus

[grand lynx]

What’s Hellbore?

Also las gun sounds like my jam

[tall torrent]

do u mean "I shoot forever and never melee" or

[trim badger]

Clearly they mean pew pew

[signal garden]

@tall torrent i remember when the trailers came out and some of my social circles were disappointed

[trim badger]

It's kind of like a laser sniper rifle? Idk shit about 40k I'm just a tide games fan

[signal garden]

"theres too much melee like in vermintide i was hoping for the game to be gun focused"

[tall torrent]

charge-to-fire las-sniper gun (but it doesn't have scope)

[past stratus]

yeah no, I think it is better to dispell any notions of wanting to only shoot your gun 100% of the time, you can't do that in this game. I mean you can, but you will die a lot.

[tame lodge]

It's a laser musket

[red fox]

there is no real healing gameplay in this game, you must kill, and you must kill in melee theres no avoiding it

[tame lodge]

Ish

[signal garden]

which again, if you hearken back to the tabletop literally the only faction that doesnt have some emphasis on melee are the tau

[steep flower]

If they can but refuse to; basically teamless pepega

[red fox]

what do you guys work for fatshark, it's just no the game for him lmao

[signal garden]

and freaking one dude with a sword doesnt count

[crimson pebble]

you have 4 options las pistol,las rifle,recon las, helbore

[trim badger]

Me hiding my 20% self heal from damage taken zealot:

[grand lynx]

Why play a game? Because I enjoy it. Why does it matter to be ranged? Because I Enjoy It LOL that’s why

[tall torrent]

I meant to ask what ur definition of ranged focus is

[red fox]

Your primary weapon in this game is the melee weapon

[tame lodge]

Getting hit

[sly orchid]

big issue

[tame lodge]

[sly orchid]

tide games are centered around melee

[grand lynx]

What’s Hellbore?

[sly orchid]

darktide has more ranged options

but still you need to be in melee

[grand lynx]

Guns

[trim badger]

? Even VT2 has practically ranged builds only

[crimson pebble]

basically laser musket you aim hold down to charge shot p high dmg

[signal garden]

helbore, aka the knifer rifle

[sly orchid]

bounty hunter yes

[tall torrent]

are u avoiding melee or are u fine doing some melee

[sly orchid]

but you cant ignore melee

[trim badger]

Ranger Veteran, huntsman, Waystalker too

[signal garden]

50% sniper, 50% knifer, 100% rifle

[tame lodge]

Zealot

[trim badger]

xddd

[sly orchid]

tuskgor spear for vet when

[tame lodge]

Everyone forgets about infinite ammo zealot on vt2

[trim badger]

Goated

[sly orchid]

or kerillian spear and glaive

[tame lodge]

[signal garden]

the ultimate ranged weapon, the javelin

[trim badger]

Truth nuke...

[signal garden]

holy kerillian stabs

let me thruuuuuuust at maximum velocity

[tame lodge]

I don't even know if it still infinite

[unreal nova]

Mhm, is what it is, I'll have them on my vet if I can afford it after the taxes.

[tame lodge]

💀

[grand lynx]

Ah ok so we have come to the conclusion that my class is Vet that focuses in Las Weapons and Is an Armourer

[trim badger]

Unironically I should try that volley crossbow build for zealot on versus LOL

For the shits and giggles

[grand lynx]

Avoiding what gave it away ha ha 😁👍

[crimson pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/garn-47-garn47-car-huh-confused-gif-14701624453881581373

[red fox]

you cannot

[trim badger]

I mean the class can be much more but if those are the things you like then kinda yea

[grand lynx]

???

[grand lynx]

Well there isn’t any other classe where this would work better will it?

[past stratus]

telling this person that you can only shoot and never melee is crazy work

[signal garden]

@grand lynx i think genuinely you should just try to go full ranged on all classes and see for yourself, but if you want a ranged medic its true, ask for a refund because youre SoL

[tall torrent]

to be frank
if u mostly stick to the lower difficulties u can probably avoid melee for the most part and be fine as long as ur team can pull their weight
but people usually don't lol

[red fox]

They've got fatshark commission

100%

[grand lynx]

Well I mean I will do some meele but prefer range

[red fox]

tryna make a sale out here

[trim badger]

Honestly Hellbore/Recon Lasgun with the ideal build can do this up until havoc, where you'll be forced to use melee sometimes

[grand lynx]

?

[crimson pebble]

arbites could but their toughness regen is for themselves and team is more of a on the backburner deal and not something that can save you in a pinch

[red fox]

We

[signal garden]

firstly, all classes have a ranged spec

[red fox]

we just sayin crazy shit now

[grand lynx]

Nah I want to be formidable end game to there or to be a way?

[signal garden]

secondly, you cant go settling in on what youre going to do if you havent even booted up the game, because this game is swedish

[sly orchid]

imagine elven spear vet

now that would be funny

[signal garden]

and some ranged guns mentioned are VERY janky compared to other games

[trim badger]

Guys why are we telling them hellbore/recon builds are not viable in H40? they absolutely are lol

[unreal nova]

If you only play uprising and malice, you can get away with only shooting... higher, you are just playing too selfish then since limited ammo to share. If you say survivalist, that's a bullet or so every 5 secs. On even higher diffs, ammo is actually scarce.

[crimson pebble]

arbites can pump insane toughness for into allies in coherency you might just be choped

[grand lynx]

Nah I want to help people still thanks for helping though

[past stratus]

a ranged only no melee in higher difficulties?

[signal garden]

dont get me started on the way non-hitscan projectiles work in this game

[trim badger]

I'd say around 80% gun 20% melee

[tall torrent]

dedicated ranged vet spec usually really benefits from 1~2 solid frontliners that deal with melee mixed horde for u while u pop shots at every ranged threat from afar
with that said ur still gonna have to get quite good at melee

[unreal nova]

On low diffs, absolutely.

[red fox]

The emperor protects but even he can't help this

[grand lynx]

Swedish what’s wrong with that???

[sly orchid]

helbore is now cracked for havoc 40 by reaching breakpoints but still

[tall torrent]

arcane game code

[crimson pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-strife-tifa-lockhart-aerith-gainsborough-cloti-gif-27060423

[sly orchid]

doing the hardest content without learning melee is an impossible task

[past stratus]

yeah but even then it is going to be ass, idk if you guys visited lower difficulties lately but even on heresy the game is not that easy anymore

[marble mantle]

Mmmmm helbore my beloved

[crimson pebble]

the psyker in question

[sly orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/shush-themask-gif-18438239

[tame lodge]

[marble mantle]

Yeah sure but homie could be a malice dweller

[tame lodge]

Psykers should melee

[grand lynx]

This is fine as long as I can help people in way not heal but the other thing u guys mentioned

[tame lodge]

They have the best melee in the game for a reason (they don't, pickaxe still the best)

[unreal nova]

Uprising with 500 weapons is funni brrrrrrrr. Unless event. Event is bs.

[signal garden]

oh you, youve never played helldivers, vermintide, or payday?

swedish games are janky

[crimson pebble]

but the secret is they absolutely don't have to if they dont want to

[grand lynx]

??

[tall torrent]

yea

[sly orchid]

nah

[trim badger]

(it's a joke about how swedish devs make shit code)

[sly orchid]

forcce greatsword is the best melee in the game

[grand lynx]

Helldivers yea payday yea

[crimson pebble]

fatsharks sendin a pipe bomb to you rn you already know to much

[trim badger]

Duelling sword?

[sly orchid]

dueling sword is not that good

[tame lodge]

Ok so you're familiar that payday 2 is made on a Racing game engine

💀

[sly orchid]

absolutely needs to be nerfed

[grand lynx]

Nope

[sly orchid]

but other weapons can do more

[tall torrent]

just want u to know that at one point
the talent that makes grenades better for veteran also gave him stun-immunity

[red fox]

I need more info on this

cuz thats hilarious

[signal garden]

seriously though understand that if you have no idea how the game works i have no idea why would settle in on your gameplan, but that if you want to be a dedicated ranged without giving melee a shot whatsoever, you should get a refund or avoid this game

[trim badger]

Kind of a contradiction

[grand lynx]

?

[tall torrent]

yea.

[red fox]

@grand lynx For the love of god heed this warning

you will be in melee the majority of your playtime

[sly orchid]

coding shenanigans

[grand lynx]

What warning???

[trim badger]

Until you can make your full build and understand how the Game goes*

[crimson pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/glue-gorilla-glue-gif-2586706121517624605

[grand lynx]

Oh yea that’s fine I guess range more so please lol

[sly orchid]

mf im not glazing it

[signal garden]

@red fox unless he goes gunlugger ogryn, sucks of all the ammo, and becomes what indiana jones's father referred to as

"the schlime of schochiety"

[tame lodge]

Diesel Engine
It was intended to be used on driving games instead of shooters

[earnest barn]

and yet the absolute meme that is marksman's focus still exists

[red fox]

You legit foolin this guy into a wildly inconvenient playstyle and saying he can majority gun is wild

how much is obese fish paying you

[past stratus]

I played with a new player recently and the new difficulties are tricky, you get trappers and dogs on uprising now. Poor guy was so confused

[signal garden]

yeah the most ranged build ive ever done as vet is

[trim badger]

500$ a month but let not that explain why I'm saying this

[signal garden]

throw shredder grenade, go stab something, enough shit is dying i throw some more nades

[tame lodge]

Then you search Diesel Engine games and find shooters and racing games on it

[signal garden]

repeat, occasionally shoot something in the face with a bolt pistol

[red fox]

YO you can 100% range in this game and not even equip a melee weapon

slide me a tenner

[tall torrent]

ranged spec helbore is really good on h40 tho u just 1 tap everything

[trim badger]

I never said 100% gun tho

[grand lynx]

So is Veteran the best class for me then I am so confused now??

[tall torrent]

we never said 100% gun only

[trim badger]

80 gun 20 melee is deffo possible

Even in H40

[signal garden]

there is no best class for you because we dont know what youre good at

[earnest barn]

i genuinely don't get why zealot is getting a rework before vet when it's the class that needs it the most

[grand lynx]

Thais is what I wanted

[signal garden]

and you wont know until you try all 5

[tall torrent]

I mean
if ur gonna buy the game at least play the whole game
try diff classes and see wat u like

[crimson pebble]

maaan just play wtf ever theirs no golden goose class

[red fox]

the classes are also all free to make

[trim badger]

I do gotta clarify tho that it's hard to pull this off

[sly orchid]

what did i say after the dueling sword comment?

[signal garden]

the mourningstar 5 all play and perform differently, and veteran and zealot are painfully outdated

[grand lynx]

Ranged and Support

[atomic void]

you're gonna have a bad time going full ranged its that simple

[red fox]

and im so genuinely sure this isn't the game you're looking for

but i wish you luck

[tall torrent]

veteran / psyker

[unreal nova]

To be fair, it was 2 long time players memeing in uprising to speedrun event. I did my assailer build with a dueling sword for lul. Forgets no deflector all the time.

[signal garden]

@grand lynx no thats what you want to do, thats not what youre good at

[grand lynx]

I don’t know about that the game looks well up my street but it is confusing AF trying to find a build for me as have guessed

[signal garden]

plenty of people suck at support, and the most effective support you can be is determined by how good you are at de-netting

which is to say your reaction time under fire

[grand lynx]

Confusing people then I seem to be swell at that LoL

[normal bay]

How will you know until you've played the game? Some classes might surprise you. Nothing else feels quite like the 'tide games

[signal garden]

yeah which is why you should try ranged focus builds on all 5

at least when you form an opinion on all of them you can come back witht some substance

[crimson pebble]

play the game use what you think might be good and keep doing that untill you hit a wall and think something in the build isnt working out then comeback and ask questions once you know what youre into already

[red fox]

People are trying to tell you very specific ways to try and achieve what you want, sure you can do that but from what you're saying it's not the experience you're looking for

[signal garden]

otherwise we're spitballing

[red fox]

but yea at this point

just buy the game

and play

[grand lynx]

I know but I want a goal that I wouldn’t waste more time finding what I like that why I have come to the experts

[signal garden]

and again a quarter of the games handle like some janky mess

its not like going from a gun to a gun

this game using a gun is a matter of "which nintendo controller do i prefer"

[red fox]

ADS Bolter be like

[trim badger]

I mean for the most part the Game is melee focused

All classes can and probably should melee

Building accordingly with classes like Vet/Psyker You CAN do ranged builds

The issue is that, from the vet side, it takes a lot of effort to do so (because you'd need to understand how enemies work and have really good aim)

[signal garden]

kinda odd, kinda janky, but i kinda like it

[earnest barn]

unfortunately that's like a good chunk of what your time is gonna be, experimenting with everything and seeing what you like

[unreal nova]

Bistol needs effort to get used to for one. XD

[signal garden]

the new masteries system and free respecing lend well into trial and error

[grand lynx]

Ok so pyker how is this one different please

[sly orchid]

why did you leave out the other comments?

[tall torrent]

u have to hold m2 then hold m1

[trim badger]

Psyker is based on Magic instead of ammo in higher play

[crimson pebble]

baited

[signal garden]

and both incentivize trying stuff which is better if you are in an "i habe no idea" situation

[sly orchid]

clearly i said 2 other things after that

[trim badger]

And his weapons aren't bullets so

Psyker stuff is easy to aim

[trim badger]

Flamethrower... A big fucking circle on the floor

A big fucking ball

[grand lynx]

Ahh yea see I prefer ammo

[trim badger]

Psyker can run ammo stuff but probably should never do that in the higher diffs xdd

[grand lynx]

So vet sounds the better one still lol

[trim badger]

So, realistically, your only choice of mostly ranged wth bullets (or laser weapon whatever) is vet

But it's hard to pull off

Really hard

(at these higher diffs)

[grand lynx]

I like a challenge if u guys can point in the right direction of making this achievable I would really appreciate it

[crimson pebble]

gun sciers is insane but you have to really know what youre doing

[red fox]

Cuz you're basically fighting the game's mechanics to play a really niche way for no reason

[trim badger]

Partially true yeah, but you practically have infinite ammo anyways so

((with skill and experience)) it's deffo possible

[grand lynx]

I wouldn’t say for no reason but rember Fortnite, I use to play it like it was cod lol 😂🤣

[trim badger]

Unlike psyker that would need to vacuum all the ammo and that's bad

Same with gungryn xdd

[red fox]

With skill and experience you could play this game with no talent points at all and only a profane unleveled poop shovel

[grand lynx]

Please please show me This build

[red fox]

but why would you

[trim badger]

Ok you might be going a little extreme there

[tall torrent]

u need to learn how every enemy works, have really good aim (u have to hit headshots), understand maps well enough to know the best positions u should take

and that's the basic requirement for smth like that

[red fox]

I've spoken it into existence, someone's going to do havoc like that now

[trim badger]

I don't play like this, but I have friends that do

[trim badger]

Oh noes

[signal garden]

or just go ogryn and get the double barrel machine gun

babababababababababababaababababaaa

[tame lodge]

Ok so
A psyker has like 2 nodes that are support support

[signal garden]

dakdakdkakdakdkdkakdka i mean

[grand lynx]

Are any of them here now or can give me tips please you are helping me greatly friend

[tame lodge]

Both of those are not gun psyker

[signal garden]

the best tip is to play the game and come back when you realize how janky it is

[earnest barn]

it's probably gonna be like watching someone throw themselves at a brick wall repeatedly but i unironically would watch the attempt

[tall torrent]

smth similar to this

[signal garden]

ranged weapons dont behave like guns

[crimson pebble]

theirs already been multiple havoc 40 grey weapon completions talentless tho i dont think is doable

[tame lodge]

So now you either choose supportish and bad gun
Or no supportish good gun

[grand lynx]

What is smth ?

[signal garden]

something

sum'thin

[tame lodge]

Can confirm it's something

[signal garden]

smth

the degeneration of a word

[grand lynx]

What’s bad gun???

[earnest barn]

wait, what do you mean ? they're all hitscan as far as i could tell

[tall torrent]

me lazy

[signal garden]

alot of guns feel like bad guns

[grand lynx]

Oh lol

[signal garden]

but thats why darktide is stylistic

a gun you use is "that flavor of jank you settled in on"

[grand lynx]

What do u mean bad guns ?

[signal garden]

everything is bad in its own secret special way

[unreal nova]

Excuse me, bistol is still good.

[grand lynx]

LOL

[signal garden]

the bolt pistol cant follow up shots

the bolter takes a hot second to wield

the ilas is unredeemable dogshit

[trim badger]

You don't even have the game yet pff, but let me see if I can find something

https://www.twitch.tv/newtypebtw/v/2524059614?sr=a&t=23056s

This fren was playing Hellbore in H40, but using the exec stance build rather than the shout build

[tame lodge]

If you go support route on psyker you won't have the buffs that actually makes gun psyker good, so you're just walking around with a gun

[unreal nova]

You just need to ads, shoot, unads, ads, shoot, unads.

[red fox]

i think at this point y'all are just cruel

[red fox]

same as the bolter isn't it

[earnest barn]

man, the infantry lasgun isn't even that dogshit

[trim badger]

Nvm he was actually using shout here too xddd

[earnest barn]

it's not great but its usable

[trim badger]

Which is what you wanted

[grand lynx]

Oh nah I thought Vet is better is it not?

[earnest barn]

and ngl, i respect the hell out of anyone who shows up with a lasgun for auric and above

they're not gonna be useful but by god, you gotta appreciate the commitment to the guardsman bit

[grand lynx]

So are all las guns bad?

[unreal nova]

I never really used the bolter tbh. The pullout time makes me wanna die.

[tame lodge]

For what? Guns
It's complicated
You have more consistent gun damage on vet
But psyker has immense burst

[signal garden]

@red fox nah the bolter recoil actuaally is fairly accurate to its ironsight shifting

[tame lodge]

No

[earnest barn]

nah, the recon lasgun is excellent

[signal garden]

@grand lynx just the ilas

[earnest barn]

hellbore is good if you can hit your shots

[tame lodge]

Recons, Helbore and laser pistol are excellent

[red fox]

It does that stupid jiggle reset tho

[grand lynx]

What you mean burst?

[unreal nova]

Some still make it work somehow.

[tall torrent]

helbore and recon are top tier
laspistol also quite good
both helbore and laspistol are very headshot centric

[signal garden]

@red fox thats only if you fire max fire rate

[tame lodge]

High damage in a short amount of time

[grand lynx]

What’s that ?

[strange pollen]

Which guns do guys not recommend for vet? Other than the lasguns for higher difficulties?

[signal garden]

and then the 3rd -4th shot is cringe

@grand lynx dogshit is what it is lol

the infantry las gun

the base gun

[red fox]

Sometimes theres a lot of gunners

[signal garden]

@red fox oh bro the shredder finna go out

[tame lodge]

That's complicated

All gun families are good

[earnest barn]

it's not too tough to make it work, i've had some success making it a weakspot tapping machine

[tame lodge]

There's just

[grand lynx]

So what is vet better?

[tame lodge]

1 or 2 bad marks

[tame lodge]

Consistent damage

[signal garden]

vet ideally specializes in minimizing TTK for 1 thing you really want dead

unfortunately the ogryn got buffed to the sky and arbites exists

[grand lynx]

I like constancy

[red fox]

i legit feel like i can't leave home without demo team

[unreal nova]

Trappers. Need. To. Die.

[tame lodge]

Arby's isn't even that good