veteran-class

[marble mantle]

Mmmmmmm warframe mmmmmmm

[kind bison]

They ramped up the aggression and perceptions on the bot side and I usually like fighting bots, but the last time I did that I actually quit before I got angry.

[marble mantle]

Cyberpunk 2077 is calling

[kind bison]

Because they're just so good at spotting you and will not lose you.

[marble mantle]

God I hope one day we get a cyberpunk multiplayer. It’ll be with a sequel, but god please

Thatll be so rad

[kind bison]

Just play the TTRPG

Or Shadowrun's TTRPG

[marble mantle]

And they like, ROYALLY fucked up the first one. No way they’ll do it again right ???!?

[marble mantle]

Ngl TT games are tough for me to get into

I require a lot of visual stimulation. And with that many small moving parts, I’d need them all to be perfect. I’m of the neurodivergent variety.

[kind bison]

Hm

[atomic void]

no please no
cdpr should just focus on what they know how to do best

quality single palyer games

no more stretching themselves thin trying to making things they dont know how to make

they wasted so much money and time on a cancelled MP mode

[marble mantle]

Sorry what was that? All I heard was ONLINE CYBERPUNK HEIST ! SHARK CARDS BUT IN CYBERPUNK! GTA ONLINE BUT CYBERPUNK

[atomic void]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/609517645384908801/1125489922837581946/giphy.gif

[kind bison]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-hitori-gif-27014251

Oh hey I can use my stickers

[unreal forge]

nerfing shit isn't gonna fix anything

they'd have to nerf a million things

there is an inherent core design problem with Helldivers 2

the engine can't handle many enemies at once, for the spaces are too open, and as a result enemies seem few and get spawncamped easily

[calm shard]

wouldn't be as obvious if the enemies were capable of being threats individually

but when Hulks and Tanks can be killed easily, quickly, and safel with primary weapons...well

[unreal forge]

it's a horde shooter, they're not supposed to be individually threatening xd

[calm shard]

They can't really do that

The Tank from Left 4 Dead 2 is a pretty big threat individually

[unreal forge]

he's not

he can't catch up to you if you just run back, he is slower than you are

[calm shard]

Suppose it depends on the map but him being able to throw cars is death

[unreal forge]

he's only dangerous when other enemies exist to hinder your movement

in versus, the tank strategy is to not even become visible to the survivors, and camp from out of bounds just to buy time for hordes and special infected

because individually every enemy is weak

[kind bison]

Arrowhead isn't really afraid to nerf things. They went through a huge period where all they did was nerf and it made HD2 INCREDIBLY unfun

[unreal forge]

that's how horde shooters work

[calm shard]

No they didn't

[kind bison]

Every weapon you'd use, they'd nerf a week later

[calm shard]

Every single patch sine the release of Helldivers 2 has had more buffs than nerfs

[kind bison]

Oh they totally did a year ago dude

[calm shard]

I was there dude

That was literally entirely community hysteria

[kind bison]

You're remembering wrong then

[calm shard]

I can go onto the helldivers discord right now

And copy the patch notes from back then

[kind bison]

I mean, I played at that time. And it was awful.

[calm shard]

And not a single one will have more nerfs than buffs

[kind bison]

good for you.

[calm shard]

Dude there's evidence in their public discord that people were wrong about that

They would consistently nerf overperformers except for a Few missed ones that absolutely did not deserve to get nerfed

[kind bison]

None of the guns were overperformers

[calm shard]

Crossbow absolutely didn't deserve the nerf it got back then

Slugger...probably didn't deserve its nerf either

Breaker was nerfed because of the meta of the time but like

It hasn't been buffed and it's considered good into illuminates now so

lol

[unreal forge]

I can't wait for the real Illuminate to show up

[kind bison]

Nowadays they're just upping the enemy aggro and sight range and it's also not fun to play

Playing bots with STEALTH armour and they'd start tracking me from across the map

[calm shard]

Yeah they have to because your loadout is more busted than ever with shit that never should have been added or shit that should have been nerfed ages ago

Like the Eruptor, Ultimatum, Talon, Purifier, etc.

[kind bison]

They really don't.

Point of a game is to have fun

It was fun before

It didn't need a challenge increase just because

[unreal forge]

yeah HD2 isn't supposed to be a hardcore game, it's quite casual

[kind bison]

"Play on a lower difficulty" and get penalized for that?

[calm shard]

You aren't penalized for playing on lower difficulties?

[unreal forge]

I still dislike how it can be made boring so easily with the use of a Orbital Napalm Barrage

[kind bison]

Less xp, fewer medals

That seems pretty penalizing

[calm shard]

I don't know if you know this but the fastest way to get medals is difficulty 1 POI farming

[kind bison]

I don't know if you know this but I play games to have fun.

[calm shard]

I've had plenty of fun on the highest difficulties of helldivers 2

But now the highest difficulties are about comparable to that POI farming

[kind bison]

I've had fun at level 9

[calm shard]

Because of people like you who don't want to play low difficulties where they have fun

[kind bison]

That's as far as I've gone; I don't care about super helldive

But now the enemies are too aggro for level 9 to be fun

[calm shard]

They haven't really changed enemy aggro

They've added a few new ones

[kind bison]

They have

They really have.

[unreal forge]

They haven't lol

it's not in any patch notes

[kind bison]

No I can guarantee they have.

[calm shard]

yeah but the patch notes don't support that

dataminer discord says nothing about it

so I think you're just making shit up and imagining it was real

just like the nerf nonsense

[kind bison]

Incorrect.

[unreal forge]

it's tough for Helldivers 2, I'm not sure what would be a good solution

[calm shard]

Ignoring idiots who are literally denying reality to push a narrative that the developers only nerf, and then sending death threats over nerfs entirely?

[unreal forge]

They must care about balancing the galactic war impact with difficulty and failed attempts

[kind bison]

Bots went from being a fun challenge to suddenly not only dropping on the gens in the defence missions but also being able to spot you from much farther away and track you for much longer.

[unreal forge]

The open spaces and ability for enemy waves to get spawncamped are also a problem I don't really know a solution for

The way that splitting up can mess up spawns is also a rough one

[calm shard]

Back before the power creep it wasn't that big of a deal

[unreal forge]

It was

[kind bison]

I don't think there's a lot of power creep

[unreal forge]

It was an even bigger deal in fact

[calm shard]

The Senator Revolver

[unreal forge]

Because people would abuse those advantages to win a lot more than they do now

[kind bison]

That's in the base game lmao how is that power creep

[calm shard]

What were its stats like after its first buff

[kind bison]

Like that's literally in the free warbond.

[calm shard]

Do you know?

because those stats are actually still present in-game on a seperate weapon

[unreal forge]

Senator is in Steeled Veterans which is a premium warbond

[kind bison]

Nope. It's in a spot right now where it's good against one enemy type.

[calm shard]

That seperate weapon is the Talon btw

[unreal forge]

yeah the Senator is just good at killing Hulks and that's it, I don't think it's anywhere close to gamebreaking lol

[calm shard]

The Talon's stats are identical to the pre-AP4 Senator's

Without the Senator's Spread

With infinite ammo because it's a laser weapon

[kind bison]

I don't think ANY of the weapons currently are game breaking

[calm shard]

Then you mus be really shit at the game

[kind bison]

Wow no need to be rude.

[calm shard]

Eruptor, Crossbow, and Purifier are the obvious undeniably game breaking weapons

[unreal forge]

I dunno, I have 800hrs of game and like 10 failed operations total

[calm shard]

Ultimatum too

[kind bison]

I'm done talking about this with someone who is just going to assume I'm bad lmao

[calm shard]

Oh I'm not assuming

[unreal forge]

I just accept that it's a casual game and worrying about its balance so much is stupid

[calm shard]

If you think none of the current weapons are game breaking

I know you're bad

[unreal forge]

It's a fun sandbox and not a traditional challenge in the way a game like Darktide provides and that's fine

I'm not sure why anyone would look for that out of Helldivers 2

[calm shard]

Like before you mentioned thinking none of the weapons were game breaking

I could just assume you were a lil' delusional and didn't know the truth behind the games history

But saying that none of the current weapons in Helldivers 2 are game breaking is the kind of delusion you only get from being terrible at the game

[solar valve]

purifier has remained broken for months now

literally trivializes bots

[calm shard]

I don't even need to bring a support weapon anymore in Helldivers 2

[solar valve]

and squids

[calm shard]

Because the Eruptor and Crossbow are just...better than most of them

[solar valve]

surprised those havent been nerfed yet

[calm shard]

Honestly the first sign that AH was giving up on balancing the game was the Breaker Incendiary

How that thing even lasted 2 weeks once they fixed the fire DoT being bugged is beyond me

[unreal forge]

Gamebreaking implies that it's unintended

[solar valve]

no

[unreal forge]

I think AH just doesn't sweat over it

[kind bison]

They shouldn't.

[solar valve]

it can be gamebreaking without being unintended

[kind bison]

Assholes wanna treat it like a fucking milsim and track every number to the tenth decimal should just go play ARMA or some shit and leave us alone

[unreal forge]

Look at it from Arrowhead's perspective and the average player's perspective. There's VERY LITTLE to gain from caring so much about achieving an 'proper' balance

[solar valve]

no

[marsh condor]

Hey guys, I just have a Devil Claw Sword with "Cleave Targets" as its dump stat.

[solar valve]

I dont want it to be like launch

HD2 launch was shit

balancing wise

just tone down the eruptor and crossbow

[calm shard]

I used to have a difficulty I enjoyed in that game and I wanted you fucks to just play on lower difficulties

[solar valve]

thats it

[marsh condor]

Any ideas on how to use this?

[kind bison]

Isn't that not great because you want to dump mobility

[calm shard]

I liked Escalation of Freedom difficulty 10

[unreal forge]

Cleave is quite important

[calm shard]

But I'm not allowed to have that difficulty anymore because casuals flooded it and whined that difficulty 10 out of 10 was actually fucking challenging

[marsh condor]

I have 3 Devil Claws, and I was thinking of using them for different things.

[kind bison]

I still don't know what all the words mean

I know cleave is multi target

[marsh condor]

Mostly cuz I still want to PARRY

[kind bison]

I know rend is ignoring armour

And brittle reduces armour in general?

[marsh condor]

Yep, yep, and yep.

[unreal forge]

Brittle is rend but for the whole team basically

[kind bison]

But there's a lot of words they use and no glossary that explains it

They should put a glossary in

[unreal forge]

[kind bison]

Because there's also mobility and defense as stats on different guns that do apparently the same thing or near enough?

[marsh condor]

So, basically Mobility counts how many times you can dodge in general, while Defense replaces it with the cost of pushing and how fast you can dodge.

[kind bison]

Ahhh

And in both cases, it's usually the dump stat

[marsh condor]

Already have that.

[kind bison]

I'm just confirming

I haven't really played much since they drastically overhauled the crafting

Though I've played a lot in the last couple of weeks and I've learned more about how it all works

[sacred yacht]

Does anyone have that speedy dueling sword plasman build?

Just came out of a game with a muppet who was running it.

Nevermind found it I think.

[little path]

wdym speedy

[surreal rune]

shock maul blessings and perks?

[barren cave]

What's the build for bistol

Perks and blessings

[surreal rune]

maniac & flak, puncture & lethal proximity

lethal proximity also scales the explosive radius of your explosive grenades too

[hybrid plover]

actually, bistol's a weird one. You want unarmored instead of flak

It doesn't really do much more with flak but with unarmored, it helps significantly against dreg gunners.

Beefy sons of bitches

[steep flower]

It does but in practice flak is still better cause puncture

Cause for some reason dreg gunner main body that takes DoT dmg is flak + in a heat of battle its harder to land certain shots in comparison to sterile environment such as psykanium

[hybrid plover]

I think it's cuz the body is considered flak but everything else is unarmoured

But it considers dreg gunner to be "flak armoured" because of that one part

that bein said, I feel I hit enough heads that I tend to notice myself feeling more consistency from unarmoured but honestly

That could also be attributed to how you build because I feel something like WS benefits unarmored more because of the guaranteed crits while focus target could benefit flak more because of the heightened base damage

[steep flower]

shoulders are flak too

[unreal bone]

Holy shit bro

this game is really starting to piss me off and make it unfun

75% of the way through a havoc game running fine.

[steep flower]

you shoot body to stun & stop him from shooting which nullifies suppression & then you hit him in the head; consistent 2 shot

[unreal bone]

crash

[steep flower]

do you use any mods?

[unreal bone]

No

I play vanilla.

It's just Fartshart being Fartshart

Literally 75% of the way through the havoc without taking a point of damage

Woe I cast random crash apon ye with no crash log even.

I'll try a verify but I stg if it says no missing files

[sturdy crescent]

How do you even make infantry las gun kill everything

[wanton vapor]

Weakspot hits

Even then it isn’t particularly efficient on higher diff because of fire rate, recoil, and enemy spawn numbers

[steep flower]

Recoil & suppression is holding the weapon back; same for vigils

rest is fine

[real flicker]

whats the best blessings for the bolt pistol?

[trim pivot]

Is your GPU overclocked?
When I set mine back to normal my crash rate dropped close to zero.

Why does DT not like this? No idea.

Software like GPU tuner will do this automatically in OC mode.

[normal bay]

Lethal prox for grenade aoe abuse + puncture for stacking bleed stacks and some breakpoints

[unreal bone]

Nope

[thorn radish]

is bolter much weaker than before or im delusional

or it's new event's armor

[tall torrent]

this

[left crag]

i switch carapace to infested, idk but i kill a little faster

they still tough af though

[red fox]

man like clockwork

every 2 clean auric games

and then one that ends in the first room

[sudden cedar]

You get clean auric games?

[red fox]

i do

man i gotta say sometimes that crusher overhead is such shit

im clealry clearly clearly no where close to it

but i'll still hit cuz of that little catch up waddle

[thorn radish]

this, i feel you

it feels like a AOE rather than a melee

[sudden cedar]

Because it is.

[faint beacon]

Rotten armor has really only made them a threat recently solely cause of the visual flashbangs they give on death

Hidden countless overheads

[red fox]

you gotta love jumping down only to see the whole team go another way

when they were behind you a few seconds ago

sorry but watching that team wipe felt deserved

[tall torrent]

the number of ragequitters in the event is insane

[tall torrent]

that's cuz it is lol

[quick burrow]

they also do a weird forward moon walk towards you on their downswing so u have to dodge to the side rather than back from my experience

[crisp oak]

Or spot dodge

If brave enough

[marble ocean]

got team of absolute geniuses today. been leveling my vet, plague ogryn spawns and start attacking me. Then i notice that my teammates just stand in the corner and do nothing

ffs people there wasnt even any horde nearby

[faint beacon]

The immediate overhead out from the sheer insane visual spam is definitely really frustrating

[tall torrent]

just had 3 dumbasses quit on me

[marble ocean]

i got him btw

[tall torrent]

played solo for 20 mins

they couldn't kill a single sniper in vent purge

[marble ocean]

sometimes bots better

[faint beacon]

I completed all of mine in 1 day

So I haven’t really been playing atm

[tall torrent]

rly not a fan of boltgun on arb

draw time kills it for me

[marble ocean]

how some peole got even to auric confuses me

[sudden cedar]

@marble ocean They get carried. Either by their teammates or by crutch weapons and builds.

[tall torrent]

yea ik

just, the draw time is so aids

[sudden cedar]

[tall torrent]

I'm sticking to shotgun and boltpistol

[orchid hemlock]

Which shotgun? 🤔

[tall torrent]

agrip 7
ext3
ext8

it's like 2/3rds of boltgun's monster dmg but is a way faster gun

do u run +clip size for ext8

[hollow ibex]

why BTL on mk8? 🤔

[tall torrent]

do u run reload speed for any gun

wats ur boltgun build then

[hollow ibex]

i can't stand ext shotguns without reload speed lol

[tall torrent]

what melee

arb maul?

[small topaz]

What perks do people usually run on weapons? I never really know what to put on them.

Flak and Unyielding? 🤔

[tall torrent]

which weapon

[small topaz]

Plasma gun in this case

[tall torrent]

unarmored
maniac/flak

[small topaz]

I'm not really sure how to select them for bolt weapons / las guns / autoguns either lol

i'll try those, thanks!

[lilac kayak]

Looking at the guide in pins is a good start

[small topaz]

🙏 i always forget to check the dang pins

[atomic void]

why did they give 10 billion reload speed nodes

but 0 weapon switch speed ones like

[tall torrent]

there're only 3

and ur prob not gonna need any of those 3

[hearty panther]

Reload speed gotta be my least liked stat.

[atomic void]

im jesting

[hearty panther]

Maybe Peril Resist

[atomic void]

3 skippable talents and 1 of them could be replaced with something better like weapon switch

[hearty panther]

Not sure which I hate clicking more

[atomic void]

i dont wanna do sprint cancel shit

[hearty panther]

I do lmao

Which is why I hate One Motion, but I ESPECIALLY hate One Motion for taking away my Vanguard

[tall torrent]

one motion good

buff it more

[atomic void]

when you're trying to shoot that damn trapper with arbeetus bolter but u dont pull it out in time

[hearty panther]

gimme back my vanguard

[tall torrent]

what do u run for arb boltgun blessings

[atomic void]

no puncture?

[red fox]

Honeslty yea, i cna't see shit

[arctic rampart]

been playing ogryn more, and pretty much can't put down the bull club 3. it's a force of nature. what weapons do you guys like on ogryn? I tried kickback, rumbler, heavy stubber. so far I like all those.. feels like rumbler needs a more dedicated build. any others worth trying?

[pallid jetty]

yeah try helbore lasgun

or recon, also good

[kind bison]

So what is the best melee weapon to do weapon specialist with

[last marten]

branx my beloved

crusher congo line being put down like ducks at a carnival game

[arctic rampart]

the one that gets the most beneft feels like power sword (IMO). but they all benefit.

[arctic rampart]

probably I'm going to try out the ranged weapons before moving to pick-axe, knife, and shield

[hollow ibex]

rashad or PS

[kind bison]

Okie ty

[gaunt hare]

longlas when

[kind bison]

I feel like they need to make the sharpshooter tree more viable first

It's better with autoguns than with DMRs.

[arctic rampart]

this game's not about sniping though

[kind bison]

Yes

[arctic rampart]

if you're sniping you're probably still using camoflouge 😉

[kind bison]

So why have a sniper path

[arctic rampart]

to confuse and alaram people so they can be identified as heretics

[kind bison]

Why have DMRs like the Kantrael

[arctic rampart]

it's been over a year since I saw someone bring a XII lasgun

[kind bison]

Because they look really cool but they're actually not useful above Malice

[calm shard]

Gotta have at least the one

And tbh

It's probably the most difficult havoc viable playstyle in the game

But left side exe vet is havoc viable

Largely due to the absurd boss damage

[arctic rampart]

Yeah but you could play ogryn and do boss damage but be better all around

[calm shard]

Correct

Gun vet's better at killing elites/specials than rumblergryn and doesn't need ammo which can be relevant sometimes

But usually not

[tame lodge]

Heh
It all defaults to ogryn
Heh

[idle bluff]

When will fart shank give us a goddamn melta?

[tame lodge]

Me being skeptical about Meltas since Rogue Trader's Melta sucks

Ok here's the big brain time

Vet and Arby's can use lmg

So they postponed lmg until they launched Arby's

Now once lmg is made available Both classes will be able to use it

[calm shard]

god I hope so

[surreal rune]

i hoped that veteran would get a flamethrower, seeing as the astra militarum uses them

[calm shard]

I don't know if that flamer would even be good on vet

[sudden cedar]

The flamer is already a bad choice for the zealot, can't see it being any good on the veteran

[idle bluff]

Give us a hellgun w select fire between full auto and high damage dmr

[sudden cedar]

You can play Ogryn for such a weapon and see for yourself how ammo hungry it is.

Exspecially compared to the alternatives..

ahem

RUMBLER

[idle bluff]

Ah see. But ogryn dosent have ludicrous ammo regen on las weapons

[sudden cedar]

True enough

[idle bluff]

My freind just got his recon build going and I don't think he ran outta ammo once for like 3 missions straight

[tall torrent]

rogue trader's plasma guns also suck

but in DT plasma is top tier

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

That or Pasqal just sucks at aiming

[sudden cedar]

Pasqal is in quite the weird spot anyway.

Plasma Gun on Argenta is alright.

Then again, almost every ranged weapon is good on her.

Too bad she can't equip Xenos Weaponry. I think.

[tame lodge]

Maybe I should make Argie but she's xeno weaponry expert

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

[sudden cedar]

There was a restriction somewhere, might be remembering it wrong tho.

[tame lodge]

Yeah xenos weaponry probably has the non sororitas requirement

[sudden cedar]

Jae Heydari with dual shuriken pistols and master tactician is very fun

She'd just get those stacks really fast with the Shuriken rate of fire

Of course it is nothing compared to my Rogue Trader being able to one-shot the entire map with one ability once the turn comes to her, but still.

[tame lodge]

Yup
Druk/Ael weapon proficiency can't be learned by Sororitas

[sudden cedar]

Not a big surprise

[deep bone]

Got the whole gang

[sudden cedar]

@tame lodge Wish you could remove that somehow to see how she'd do with those weapons

[past stratus]

everyone masked but no one has access to rebreather 💔

[tame lodge]

I think you can with ToyBox

Lemme see if I can remember

Party then Argenta then Features

Show all

Then type Druk or Ael

And add the feature

[sudden cedar]

Yeah i mean of course you can.

But that is boring.

[quick burrow]

imagine if they addded different armor perks to deal with different dmg/environmental effects such as gas or fire

they removed a bunch of RNG i say we add a bunch more

i want 800 more hours of farming for the perfect fire resist sety

[sudden cedar]

something something bait used to be believable

You can't possibly want that.

[quick burrow]

imagine though instead of two slot rng they add 3 more

[kind bison]

What is the difference between power sword marks

[tame lodge]

Move set

[kind bison]

Is there one that is considered better

Or no

[tame lodge]

Mk6

[kind bison]

ty

[tame lodge]

Mk3 ain't bad but it's not better than mk6

[heavy rover]

besides the movset, the mk6 can also do block-cancels for the charge up animation

[hollow ibex]

Powersword Breakdown (Pros of Each)

Mk3 PS

• Can charge while sprinting.

Mk6 PS

• Innately better sprint efficiency.
• Better horde clear combo.
• Better single target combo.
• Allows block canceling (including while sliding), which shortens the amount of time spent charging.

[hybrid plover]

Mk6 push attack stab + downswing is so good

[balmy flume]

So dumb question

But on the mission terminal

What counts as a Maestrom mission?

Is it the one with the black frame around it?

Oh NVM found it lol

[arctic rampart]

mk3 has better heavies, but those heavies don't help you with any breakpoints (that I know of).

[hollow ibex]

yeah with ps horde clear, you just want to attack quickly

more is more here

[normal bay]

Not breakpoints but you can cleave cara with sunder and the mk3 has really nice heavies for that

Is it optimal? No

Is it funny? Yes

[tropic notch]

Mk3 has good synergy with sunder

Though it’s still better to do mk6 with it

[hollow ibex]

advanced skill expression through block cancels

me using skitarius to automate all of it

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-look-away-gif-5084935

(just kidding i know how to bc)

[hollow ibex]

i have an anti-sunder bias so i didn't mention it

i'm a brumentum simp

[tropic notch]

If the ps was reworked or something sunder would do hard

I wonder what pc would become

[marble mantle]

Honestly I’ve been trying to like power sword but it genuinely feels so unsafe to use idk

Maybe I’m just bad

[hollow ibex]

It takes practice and can feel really bad when you’re in a tough spot

[marble mantle]

Ngl I just don’t really see the allure

[tame lodge]

Mk3 is good when I want to brain off sunder heavy everything

[marble mantle]

I mean yeah but I can’t rely on it for anything else idk

[hollow ibex]

Lack of bc drives me up the wall ngl

[marble mantle]

My point is, my damage might be great, but it doesn’t matter if I’m dead

[tame lodge]

I mean it is kinda unsafe
The dodges ain't shit so you better start pushing

Which then loops around to block canceling

[marble mantle]

Yeah I’m a tac axe or chaxe man

Mostly tac

[dense belfry]

Shovels aren't fun.

Any other weapons that are better?

[tropic notch]

I kneel

[marble mantle]

Wha

[dense belfry]

Tac axe simpery.

[tame lodge]

Any other

[marble mantle]

Oh word

[tame lodge]

That isn't dclaw

[tropic notch]

Top picks for vet are power sword, knife, combat axe, tac axe, chain axe

[tame lodge]

Or Chainsword

Heavy Sword

[tropic notch]

Out of all the classes I only use the chain axe on vet

[marble mantle]

Mmmm forgot I love combat knife

[dense belfry]

Damn, no fun ones outside PS?

[marble mantle]

I’ve seen some goats with chaxe

[tropic notch]

Welcome to vet

[trim badger]

DS is fun but the plbes don't wanna hear it

DS MK5 ftw baby

[tropic notch]

Tac axe is fun

[dense belfry]

Can't wait for chainsword to get buffed next year.

[tame lodge]

DS gameplay 🛌

[tropic notch]

Tbh if you do use a dueling sword go mk5

[marble mantle]

I like chaxe, but it’s another one of those “I wish I was better at the game” weapons

[tropic notch]

Good horde clear and good single target

[marble mantle]

Tac axe and combat blade are good for me, because I’m an overall pretty average player

Run those and helbore mk5 and I’m a happy man

[tame lodge]

Try heavy sword

[marble mantle]

I tried it, I think you suggested it to me before. Wasn’t a huuuge fan.

[tropic notch]

I wouldn’t say underpowered look at the chain sword

[marble mantle]

Maybe I’ll give it another shot

[tame lodge]

🫡

[tropic notch]

I only like it on zealot

I love dclaw on vet

[marble mantle]

Helbore 5 makes me feel like I got a lever action rifle

[dense belfry]

For PS, what should I pair with PC?

[tropic notch]

Brutal momentum

Elites cara

Cleave targets dump

[marble mantle]

Is uncanny flesh tearer the way to go? I thought it was riposte precog

[dense belfry]

Thanks.

[tropic notch]

[dense belfry]

I haven't gotten a good one yet.

All eighty asides from dump stat damage.

[tropic notch]

With vet uncanny with, precog , ft, or riposte

[arctic rampart]

what mark are you using

[marble mantle]

Oh okay, word. I’ll do uncanny precog probably.

[marble mantle]

6

I don’t like 3 moveset

[tropic notch]

6 is good

[arctic rampart]

T.dmg (Maniac / Elite)
Headtaker
Deathblow / Bladed Momentum ```

Rending Strikes: Flak
Bring it Down!
Desperado
Trench Fighter Drill ```

thats whats in the guide for 6/7

[tropic notch]

That’s the heavy sword

[dense belfry]

Do I get this?

[tropic notch]

You can until you get one that has cleave targets

[dense belfry]

True.

[arctic rampart]

I wouldn't bother with PS until you have activation 4

the secondary blessing have like 3 or 4 that are good.. brutal, sunder, headtaker all can be servicable at least

[tropic notch]

Also the perks are Flak unyielding

[unreal forge]

the allure is that, other than the dueling sword, every single other melee option for vet fucking suckssss

[marble mantle]

Not carp?

[tropic notch]

No Cara

[marble mantle]

Weird but word

[tropic notch]

Me when the ps, knife, chain axe, and tac axe exist

[tame lodge]

Why's bro self reacting

💀

[unreal forge]

sometimes you gotta talk to the realest DUDE you know

[tropic notch]

Gonna dip you in tar

Ainz you never showed me your tax axe build for vet

Not the mk4 one

[unreal forge]

https://tenor.com/view/true-patrick-spongebob-truth-nuke-gif-15777863855591434629

[tall torrent]

the chainaxe sneak is incredible

[unreal forge]

nvm I forgot the tac axe exists, that is a pretty good one

[tropic notch]

Do you use exploit weakness with your tac axe build ainz?

[arctic rampart]

I saw a mk4 tax build that had damage as the dump stat and went with crit stuff

[tame lodge]

Bro said true then went back

So it wasn't true at all

💀

[unreal forge]

it's true if I include tac axe in it

[tropic notch]

[unreal forge]

not sure about the knife and chainaxe

[tropic notch]

It’s good

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

sorry

[tropic notch]

Yes I did too gale shared it with me

[unreal forge]

I'll just play with knife

I have never seen someone play with Knife other than a zealot running a meme build who died immediately

[tropic notch]

You leave mah chain axe alone!!!!!!!

[tropic notch]

You better be

[arctic rampart]

I tried it, and it kind of did fine. But it had shred and not brutal momentum so it was kind of not fast with horde

not sure if that's because mk4 doesnt hit heads well or crit is just that good

[brittle garden]

best guns? using lasgun and find it bad?

[tall torrent]

I'm not

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[unreal forge]

what do I use on knife

[tame lodge]

Helbore

[unreal forge]

for vet

[tame lodge]

Anything that isn't bleed

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-red-red-cat-evil-cat-normal-cat-gif-7123425318368299957

[unreal forge]

Helbore, Recon Lasgun, Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Plasma Gun

[tame lodge]

Or instakill chance

[unreal forge]

what about perks

[arctic rampart]

is hellbore actually first now? or first in meme

[tropic notch]

Flak unyielding

[arctic rampart]

I cant bring myself to use it since I saw the scopes on it lul

[tame lodge]

Actual first

Infinite Ammo one tap machine

[unreal forge]

I'd say it's in close competition with plasma gun, comes down to preference

[tall torrent]

at least equal to plasma

[tropic notch]

Uncanny + precog, riposte, ft

[unreal forge]

plasma gun vacuums up all the fucking ammo, I hate this aspect of it

[tall torrent]

it's a diff role type of weapon

[arctic rampart]

dont u have to ads to use it

[tall torrent]

helbore does real 1 taps and gives ur team a lot of ammo but u kinda have to backline with it

[unreal forge]

is executor bad?

[tame lodge]

Not really

There's just better choices

[pure flower]

Guys, does "Focused Cooling" on plasma gun have the wrong description? Says it adds heat generation but I cannot understand why that would be a good thing...

[calm shard]

it is kinda

[unreal forge]

oh right it goes away if you whiff

DOGSHIT

[tame lodge]

Nop

It goes away if you hit bodies

[arctic rampart]

its not really, but the best perks of plasma get stronger and way more crit with heat

check the pin for the in-depth guide that tells you how to spec your plasma gun & talents to use it

[tall torrent]

no

it's actually pretty generous

[brittle garden]

anyone able to send me a screenshot of their plasma or helbore please?

[tame lodge]

It's Less Heat generated

[safe violet]

@unreal forge Exector can get multiple stacks if you get more that one headhit in a swing, and it can also proc on the "punch" attack

[tame lodge]

The tooltip is wrong

[tall torrent]

this is the most perfect optimal roll possible

[pure flower]

Okay now I've got conflicting reports...

[brittle garden]

amazing, thank you

so we are definietly saying helbore is best?

or plasma?

[calm shard]

they're equals

[tall torrent]

it depends on ur role in team

[calm shard]

roughly

[tall torrent]

roughly equal but diff jobs

[brittle garden]

my role is killing ranged enemies

[safe violet]

That MKIV bayonet-pick mod is hilarious!

[faint beacon]

They’re side grades to each other basically

[tall torrent]

are u doing havoc

[faint beacon]

Depends on how you play

[brittle garden]

we are pushing towards havocs

i jsut want to be useful because i feel useless ahha

[tall torrent]

in terms of pros / cons

helbore IV:
pros: 1 tap things, 2 tap reaper, can shoot at boss, significantly improves team ammo econ
cons: slow draw to fire, backline playstyle, no suppression, no mixed horde cleave

plasma:
pros: mixed horde cleave, 1 tap flamer, high stagger, high suppression, can wallbang
cons: bad ammo econ, can't 1 tap gunner, slower TTK vs reaper, can't afford to shoot at boss

[brittle garden]

which is best against armour?

[calm shard]

helbore

[tall torrent]

just melee

[calm shard]

or just melee them

[brittle garden]

power sword?

[tall torrent]

ya

[calm shard]

yeah

[tall torrent]

VI

[brittle garden]

okay im currently leveling power sword

im gunna go helbore then

[calm shard]

helbore IV can 2 tap crushers in aurics and is still pretty good into them in even havocs

[faint beacon]

I’d personally recommend a melee that gives you mobility

[calm shard]

psword is better but like

helbore can kill them

[faint beacon]

Paired with Helby IV

[faint beacon]

2 taps in high Havoc

Worst I’ve seen is 3 cause of Red Orange

[tame lodge]

Red doesn't yeah

[faint beacon]

Speed Damage and immunity to CC I think are the 3

[tame lodge]

They are basically dead by 50% anyways

[faint beacon]

I might be getting confused with Purple Orange actually

[tame lodge]

Purple is just healing no?

[faint beacon]

Purple can be a genuine detriment if you don’t prioritize the healers

[arctic rampart]

dueling sword / knife cn be quite useful if you have to carry a real stinky team. the movement can be invaluable. but the horde clear is much more painful with those weapons. its good enough w/ shredders probably..

[tame lodge]

A fuckton healing per second

[faint beacon]

Yeah just max buffed and now maxed HP crusher can be kinda scary

Nonetheless this isn’t saying Helby IV is bad it’s more just the extremely rare scenario

Besides FT would juice it’s damage even more

[tall torrent]

the only thing chainaxe does notably better than most weapons in is shredding captain
which still wants u to be zealot running FotF and this drops chorus for ur team

also chainaxe's value from crit is meh so it doesn't even work well with zealot's strongest kit

[brittle garden]

Can you send me a screenshot of your havoc running talent tree please?

[faint beacon]

Ironically Taxe does it better

[brittle garden]

Can you also send me a screenshot of your havoc running tree please?

[faint beacon]

Taxe is crazy for Twins or Captains

[tall torrent]

nah no way

[faint beacon]

Drops their shields incredibly quick and does solid damage against their HP but obviously isn’t the best against normal bosses

But it has the actual benefit of good mobility over Chaxe

[tall torrent]

no way it's as fast as chainaxe IV

[tall torrent]

plasma & power sword VI

[brittle garden]

helbore and power sword?

[faint beacon]

Look there’s some heinous shit you can do with Taxe Vet but it’s like hardcore focusing Taxe instead of gun

[tall torrent]

if u still want to melee a lot, drop marksman for shock trooper

and the rest is the same lol

[faint beacon]

@narrow frost You can back up the fact Taxe with Serrated and shockingly exploit can delete the Twins and Captains quicker than Chaxe

[brittle garden]

amazing thank you!!!!

[faint beacon]

Again I’ll admit though for both options It’s literally the illusion of choice in regards to a good build cause it kneecaps your ranged

[tall torrent]

exploit weakness doesn't even do anything vs void shield

[unreal forge]

Im using the bleed on hit talent and knife with that one +60% weakspot damage on bleeding enemies

kills things quite easily

[brittle garden]

what would people recommend for curios?

[tall torrent]

are u confusing twin with captain

cuz they don't work the same

[brittle garden]

i have 3 pretty muhc the same

[faint beacon]

It’s to assist with both of their HP pools

Also no

[tall torrent]

twin shield doesn't have the same dmg gate as captain shield

[brittle garden]

they have sprint eff, combat ability regen and damage res for gunners and snipers

[tall torrent]

and no health gate for shield regen

[narrow frost]

bleed and exploint dont do void damage

[hybrid plover]

Executor is not bad at all

[calm shard]

I really shouldn't

[hybrid plover]

Very good for mk6 actually

[calm shard]

I play like a deviant when it comes to veteran

[faint beacon]

You can also stagger lock twins to death vs Captain who at X amount will have it reactivate

[hybrid plover]

Not good for mk3 though

[tall torrent]

my guy chainaxe literally hits captain shield's per-hit dmg gate with light spam every tick

[faint beacon]

This is exclusively void shield and not killing them in general as a discussion

Cause if that’s so I see why Chain weapons are better

[tall torrent]

yes exclusively void shield

it's the only thing chainaxe does better than everything else lol

[faint beacon]

Then it immediately loses purpose afterwards lmao

[tall torrent]

exactly

[faint beacon]

Idk I don’t mind that extra 2-3 seconds of spamming lights to drop a void shield

[tall torrent]

it's ass in everything

[calm shard]

I run this with Heavy Sword IX and Helbore IV for havocs

[charred pulsar]

I there a way to get these or is it just random?

[tall torrent]

yea but u can't spam it as fast as chainaxe IV's light atks

[faint beacon]

I never bothered noticing

[calm shard]

yeah

[faint beacon]

It’s probably okay on Arby seeing Smaul can also apply Skullcrusher but like

Crusher is right there

Idk I’ll have to try out Havoc Smaul and see if it’s even worth the effort

[marble mantle]

Exe Stance is crazy

[tall torrent]

(it's not cuz arb maul is better)

[unreal forge]

what is ES

[faint beacon]

Tbf it’s the DS of Arb

Shit is incredibly overtuned

[unreal forge]

this is such a lame way to look at anything

like do you actually try to have fun

arb maul has weaknesses

ass movement and stamina usage for one

[marble mantle]

So I know there’s some good few options for blessings, but what blessings do y’all think are objective best combo for combat blade in havoc?

[tall torrent]

I like shield+maul

[faint beacon]

3 stamina

On Arb Maul

Like-

Cmon

[tame lodge]

Uncanny Precognition

[faint beacon]

The weakness magically disappears when you run 1 stam curios

[unreal forge]

thats something i wont do

[tame lodge]

Uncanny just synergizes with your grenades

And Precognition is just big damage

Your grenades in this case being frags and only frags

*Smoke is fine

There fixed it for you, unprompted

https://tenor.com/view/desiler-giga-chad-gif-9574825124538696572

[past stratus]

the only issue with smoke is the lack of visual indication in the area

and the fact that people don't know that they should stay in the smoke

[hollow ibex]

it's a lot better with the mod

clear smoke or whatever

[calm shard]

what isn't

[hollow ibex]

modders fixing everything

[tall torrent]

u use powerDI right

do u know how to make it do a page report of stuff I want and not anything else

[past stratus]

it needs a glowy outline on the ground imo

[dense belfry]

YEEEES

[unreal forge]

you want to dump mobility brah

[hollow ibex]

no cleave targets is the right dump

[faint beacon]

.3 difference in cleave

[tame lodge]

[faint beacon]

Literally so non-existent that you may as well dump cleave targets

[round flint]

I haven't played with smoke since I've come back, but right after the talent tree rework, smoke was awful. Didn't do shit, and made it impossible to see shit for the players.

[dense belfry]

Oh for gods sake.

[austere mica]

It’s like psyker dome in that it’s only really good in high difficulties

Overkill for anything below auric

And even then not entirely useful

[tall torrent]

no the correct dump is cleave targets on power sword

[round flint]

You can pry my dome smitkyr from my cold dead hands (which isn't hard because I die immediately)

[dense belfry]

Good.

[austere mica]

In havoc there’s actually dangerous ranged pressure so smokes do things

[round flint]

Yah, gunners seem scarier now. Same with shotgunners

[austere mica]

I wonder why

[round flint]

Because I'm awful

Duh

[austere mica]

Then don’t play smyker

It makes you worse

[tame lodge]

Shhhh
Smite is a buzz word
Don't say it
Don't say it
Don't say it

Oh too late

[round flint]

It seems to bother a lot of people. I assume they are traumatized by people just smite walking through entire maps like idiots

[tame lodge]

Smite is overhated

[dense belfry]

SMITE IS GOOD IF YOU DON'T ABUSE IT, END OF DISCUSSION

[austere mica]

It’s boring and poorly designed

[dense belfry]

See above.

[compact oracle]

smite needs to blind me more and have louder sound effects

[halcyon blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/notpunkanymore-shovel-gif-22129031

[dense belfry]

YES.

[round flint]

Hard agree. It should burn out everyone's retinas and blow out everyone's eardrums. Gotta get that authentic 40k experience

[unreal forge]

a lotta things about psyker are just ported from sienna in VT2 but with no mind on how they were balanced around the fact that you cant quell peril in vt2 without losing health

but also it makes psyker more fun

[austere mica]

If they reworked smite to be charges of a stagger cone blast or something it would be way healthier while doing the same thing

[compact oracle]

if you're going to sit in one place and hold m1 against everything then at least make it look cool

[austere mica]

In its current state it just isn't health

Infinite cleave is a cancer and hard CC on top is even worse

[unreal forge]

ok

[round flint]

It's nifty to just use it like that. Shock and knock over a rager blob . Sustained sith lightning is very silly and mostly useless

But then it kinda does a similar thing to venting shriek, so 🤷‍♀️

[tame lodge]

Or

Path to EP

Hold smite

Boom blob of ragers dead

8 seconds

[dense belfry]

Does PS pair with DB well?

[tame lodge]

It could work

[austere mica]

The team experiencing the riveting gameplay of watching them have a seizure until they die

[dense belfry]

Got a decent DB build

Good crit chances.

[tame lodge]

Basically psword is your big single target and DB is your mixed horde specialist

[austere mica]

Has too much role overlap for me but it works just fine

I prefer knife with Dbarrel

[tame lodge]

Truly one of the blitz ever

[dense belfry]

Is invisibility good? Never tried it before.

Might add it to the DB crit build if it's good enough.

[calm shard]

If you are willing to spend 2 skill points on it it gives you a significant damage increase over VoC when activated

For 5 seconds which isn't a lot

[hollow ibex]

mostly just for the funnies

VOC is stronger

[hearty panther]

Yeah Infiltrate is just fun

[marble mantle]

Stealth should not be in the game imo

Stealth in co-op games is a bad call

Well

Invis

[compact oracle]

the fix is to give every class stealth so no one has aggro

ogryn especially needs stealth

[lost seal]

Imagine the voice lines for stealth ogryn

[compact oracle]

ogryn, shouting at the top of his lungs, "YOU CAN'T SEE ME"

[sonic kayak]

tbf

If an Ork can stealth, then our Ogryns can too

I'd rate our ogryn personalities at kommando level

[heavy rover]

while waving a hand in front of their faces

[hybrid plover]

fatshark

for the love of god

TAKE SMELTER OUT THE HAVOC ROTATION

PLEASE IM BEGGING

i'm so tired of bugged rituals

[steel veldt]

Is exe stance THAT bad? I wanna try t.

[spark helm]

I have grown (kinda) bored. I desire vet builds to sample.

[spark helm]

Bad where?

[steel veldt]

I just heard it sucks

[spark helm]

Not at all. Unsure about its mileage in Havoc but it's nowhere near terrible.

[steel veldt]

I'd love to try it!

currently running infiltrate, first was on VoC

[spark helm]

What do you want to shoot with?

[steel veldt]

IAG

[heavy rover]

you open to giving helbore a shot? this is my helbore build that I run on havoc
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-grenadier-havoc

note that when I say helbore is flexible, you can also run the mk iv with weight of fire

[spark helm]

Ah yeah I haven't actually allowed myself to learn that gun yet.

[heavy rover]

be aware that it's a love-it-or-hate-it kind of weapon

if it clicks with you, it's peak. If it doesn't, it can be quite painful

[coarse tide]

guys is exe stance vet a meme

[spark helm]

I just like figuring out things for whatever I feel like using or like in general. My bottom line is whether or not I have to fight against the build itself rather than the game.

[tame lodge]

No

[spark helm]

Where are you usually hanging when you play this game difficulty-wise?

[steel veldt]

Damnnation and Auric

[tame lodge]

It's a genuinely powerful build

That gets overshadowed by stronger builds

[steel veldt]

Also dipshit Arby mains keep rushing forward holy hell

[spark helm]

I haven't used IAG with it in a while, but this is one of my main skeletons for a vet build focused on shutting down any and all ranged units in particular with a reliable melee weapon of choice that can at least take on carapace.

Err, hold on.

Disclaimer too though: I straight up do not do the extra work of figuring out things like breakpoints or whatever. I just gorilla and adjust and adopt what some strong combinations are. The other build idea I have is old, probably outdated tbh and just really feast or famine.

Basically, if your defense and positioning aren't better on average, you're not allowed to just make mistakes or play the way you could with infiltrate or voice of command. Lemme actually just make up the talent spread bare minimum

[steel veldt]

maybe I shouldn't take it then

I am only 40 hours

[heavy rover]

nothing wrong with taking it as part of the learning curve

[steel veldt]

power sword?

[spark helm]

This is just an example. I think there are easier and better weapons than p.sword at this point in the game.

[steel veldt]

I use knife :)

[compact oracle]

really need power cycler for power sword to feel any kind of good

but its very strong

[spark helm]

Biggest issue with this skeleton is that you're missing out a lot on snappier defenses so keep that in mind. The +3 Max Stamina and stam regen is there as an intermediate boost to resource regen that I'm satisfied with. People that go deeper into charts with this game could probably tweak it a bit better.

The main objective here really is to maintain your upkeep on Executioner's Stance with Counter-Fire available to highlight anything with a gun that isn't an Ogryn-class enemy. There's a crit version of this like nearly anything else for Veteran that wants to shoot but I won't post that because I'd prefer to actually really know my math on that one. Sucks adopting or cooking up crit builds that have that weird falloff sometimes.

[steel veldt]

I seem to have trouble with bulwarks and crushers still, maybe should switch to kraks?

or do I just knife them

[narrow frost]

@tall torrent

why you walking

havoc 40 ready

accepted on sight

man is ready

[hybrid plover]

it's just a weird one to get used to because of the charge but honest

it's become my go to for havoc

there is just absolutely no denying the strength of having something that can scale well into havoc enough to take out priority targets while also having the luxury of shocktroop to completely nullify the need for ammo pick ups, which is especially important in high havoc

[spark helm]

But anyway, you'll be tripling down on giving yourself ramp via your exestance. I personally prefer using non-crit infantry lasgun setups with builds like this because it makes it easier to thread shots on spaced out and some clustered shooters during a run. Anything that's highlighted that's special or elite is free game in most cases. You wanna snipe weaker specials and elites as routinely as possible. For carapace enemies, that's where your krak grenades are coming in OR melee that'll fare well without deeper melee specialization but weakspot damage (power sword, duelling sword that kind of thing).

Ideally, you pushing yourself a little to maintain coherency to spin the wheel on Demolition Team is the name of the game. Since you're only playing in Auric and Damnation (I haven't gotten people together for me to learn my way around Havoc yet), you'll want to exploit how many shooter enemies you can put down. Since you're running IAG, you may need to play at mid ranges more compared to a lasgun. Your ultimate will be made more efficient by your actions especially, so being on point helps a lot.

Additionally, having a kill drought with this build isn't great at all because of what I mentioned earlier. Not the worst thing in the world though since you're taking Target Down and ideally pinging enemies you're focusing on want to highlight more ON TOP of exestance.

[spark helm]

Oh yeah, I don't think Helbore is terrible by any means, but it definitely is a kind of gun that gets more mileage out of playing a little more deliberately in my experience compared to some other ranged options vet has.

[hybrid plover]

Yeah, can't aggress as much opposed to something like the plasma

but when you get it down, I honestly find it better than plasma when you have a weapon to cover its weakness

i,e: power sword

[spark helm]

Main things that have carried me with using this build genuinely are just basic fundamentals: having better positioning as often as possible to ideally always or often have a line of sight on something worth shooting because anything that doesn't die that feeds you cooldowns or nade gambles with give you continuous exestance; improving on melee defenses to ideally not be on the backfoot if you ever get blocked off from people due to mobs, need to participate directly or take on something bigger to save on ammo and nades in the moment; and target priority habits.

@steel veldt

[steel veldt]

I see ty

how often should I ADS btw?

[spark helm]

Frequently. Just don't over do it.

[steel veldt]

kk

[spark helm]

When you're closer, don't feel bad about hip fire.

But you're trying to drop weakpoints hit as much as possible just as a broad habit. It can feel weird if you're not as experienced but eventually even melee with finesse fast light attacks from knives or something, you're usually not at all at a loss.

Here's a safer version of this build, but it makes use of infantry lasguns and power sword. Both of which will require some specific blessings to be on the better foot with power sword having at least one mandatory blessing via Power Cycler 3-4.

[calm shard]

literally all the time if the enemy is not within 5 meters of you

[steel veldt]

ty

[calm shard]

unless you're using the guns with very good hipfire like the revolver, plasma gun, and bolt pistol

[steel veldt]

I wanna try bolt pistol

[spark helm]

exestance works very well with bolt pistol

[calm shard]

I mean kind of?

[steel veldt]

I am using infiltrator rn

[calm shard]

Absolutely zero reason to run bolt pistol with exe stance because you can just use the bolter instead

But sure it would technically be good with exe stance

[spark helm]

I get that, I'm just focusing on talking about how this works with bolt pistol specifically.

Since that's what the person wants to do.

[steel veldt]

what even is the difference between bolter and bolt pistol

[calm shard]

bolter has better ADMs, bigger mag, more ammo, and slightly different blessings

[spark helm]

More flexible aim and draw speed as well.

[steel veldt]

ADM?

[calm shard]

Armor Damage Modifiers

[steel veldt]

ah

[calm shard]

It does more damage

Oh the Bolter also fires faster

[steel veldt]

what are pistol's advantages?

[calm shard]

Bolt Pistol draws faster, reloads (slightly) faster, and has more accurate hipfire

Also it has Lethal Proximity which is bugged and makes your grenades bigger

Which is the only reason anybody uses it

[spark helm]

oops misread lol, was thinking of bolt pistol here.

[steel veldt]

really I jsut want to be a 40k gunslinger lol

[calm shard]

laspistol

[steel veldt]

which is why I wanna try bolt pistol

[calm shard]

laspistol is REALLY good with exe stance

[spark helm]

Boltpistol also doesn't really struggle to drop the same targets you'd be going for since you wanted to use exestance. But you won't exactly be able to get away with liberal use at higher levels because of the volume of enemies.

[hybrid plover]

Is that a bug?

[steel veldt]

With infiltrate can bolt pistol still work

[hybrid plover]

I dunno. The blessing description gives me the impression, that's a deliberate thing.

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/stewly-blume-cat-orange-stare-gif-5510655261667964373

[compact oracle]

feels like an unintended interaction but its consistent with your held weapons stats affecting grenades

[calm shard]

doesn't need to be held

having the bolt pistol with lethal prox equipped at all makes your explosions 25% bigger

[compact oracle]

oh well thatd be it

like hotshot and melee

[hybrid plover]

Oh okay I see

That part being the bug.

Alright I get that.

[gilded rock]

Didn't they remove LP interacting with crusher and psyker perils?

I didn't use it back then so I forgor

[calm shard]

no

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[steel veldt]

now, revolver and bolt pistol, are they practically the same or?

[calm shard]

bolt pistol is worse in every way you can imagine but has more ammo

[steel veldt]

isn't that fun

guess laspistol it is

what makes it so good if I may ask?

doesn't seem so good with survivalist

[austere mica]

Laspistol?

[steel veldt]

yea

[austere mica]

Its got good ammo, great unyielding damage, access to Infernus (and the crit chance to use it because of +15% innate crit), access to Ghost

Nice generalist weapon

[steel veldt]

ty

[austere mica]

And a pretty good anti Unyielding sidearm, to the point it can be used against bosses

[steel veldt]

is it worth to use survivalist on it

[calm shard]

high crit chance, high crit damage, excellent headshot damage, very good ammo economy

also very good boss damage

[quick burrow]

for pwr sword mk6 is it power cycler/brutal moment or power cycler/sunder

[calm shard]

both are good but brutal momentum is a bit better

sunder can be safer but it's only really used when moebian 21st are in havoc

[austere mica]

It'll let you armor slide carapace

[quick burrow]

and its flak/maniac for it ?

[austere mica]

Even bulwark shields

[fathom umbra]

whats good vet build

range

i love to aim and shoot

proof of concept

[past stratus]

the helbore gun

[fathom umbra]

where find

[past stratus]

go gamba on brunt

[fathom umbra]

whats the build tho

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/YzYeU9s go forth and lay waste

[fathom umbra]

1mil down and no 69 71 plasma im so sad

[fathom umbra]

thank you

i will upload an aim montage to yt

[steel veldt]

heavy laspistol doesn't seem so good but maybe becuase it's only 300 power

as compared to my M20 IAG

[past stratus]

idk I got it to 500 and all of the things and I still couldn't vibe with it

[fathom umbra]

what tree?

[spark helm]

Anyone have a fun set up for Marksman's Focus these days?

I have grown tired once again.

https://tenor.com/view/woody-toy-story-i-don't-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-gif-1116642795181823087

[serene bough]

what gun

[spark helm]

Infantry lasguns, heavy laspistols, boltpistols, revolvers, infantry autoguns.

Eh, I can narrow that down.

Lasers and bullets period I suppose; semi-auto and full-auto.

[tender inlet]

I could use that for helbore as well actually

[fathom umbra]

[tender inlet]

[spark helm]

What ya taking on that tacaxe?

[fathom umbra]

no long shot?

[tame lodge]

Longshot scales poorly

Never worth it

[fathom umbra]

oh fr?

[calm shard]

yeah the way longshot works is it gives you fuck all until 12.5 meters

and then starts scaling up to the advertised 20% at 30 meters

[calm shard]

what do you mean tac axe I see no tac axe here

[amber ether]

close damage and far damage will never not be a scam

[calm shard]

yeah obviously

far damage is useless

close damage is just damage but worse

[hollow ibex]

nah close damage is good

because it's usually just damage

[past stratus]

Talent that only works on long distances
Missions are in the claustrophobic mazes of an underhive
nice meme fatshark

successful bait talent for new players

[spark helm]

Whatever that axe was in the melee slot in the video?

[narrow frost]

and close is 12.5 meters

funnily enough

thats about 95% of enemies encounters

[calm shard]

ah yes the tactical axe

I use it with maniacs/carapace with decimator/headtaker

gun vet can't get the damage to make use of brutal momentum

so decimator is better

[past stratus]

vet talent is a humorous thing

like the funny talent that trades stamina for damage

the catch being that the class has the worst fucking stamina management in the game

funny joke

[spark helm]

I jsut haven't played the game in a few months. Veteran kind of just feels mostly the same. Eventually, that opinion will change if I can actually get into some goddamn Havocs lol

Oh yeah, this link still solid as a resource to review? Figured I take the time to actually go through some of these things that folks put up. https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

It's the veteran google doc that went up months ago

[narrow frost]

some parts outdated, being transfered to a steam guide

its a WIP

[coral skiff]

What mark, blessing and perks would yall recommend for the Sapper Shovel.

[narrow frost]

mk1, flak unyield, deci uncanny

[lucid ginkgo]

Why unyield?

[narrow frost]

faster bulwark and reaper

kills

• boss damage

instead of unield, maniac/cara works fine

[tall torrent]

(It’ll still be atrociously bad at it)

[narrow frost]

ur mom

but ye

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1269791447037640798/1398819646328672366/boomboomb.gif

still my fav vet weapon

[spark helm]

Actually, I just realized that I do have things to do on veteran: melee specialist builds.

Fuck it, what's some melee specialist builds some of you fuck around with nowadays.

[faint beacon]

Died in a car crash

[hybrid plover]

power sword/shovel + helbore

combat knife + double barrel

[spark helm]

Taking weapon specialist and shout or something like that too I'm guessing.

[hybrid plover]

yeah

[kind bison]

I finally did the weapon specialist penance today and I dont think I like it

[austere mica]

Unfortunate

The rest of vet's keystones are a lot worse (feel wise)

[hybrid plover]

WS is the most versatile

Focus Target is good for single target damaging

Marksman's Focus is ???

[austere mica]

Marksman focus is used for completing a penance