veteran-class

[past stratus]

to be fair, every time I do use the DS on my psyker and two shot a Crusher with heavies it is a bit depressing

[sudden cedar]

How so? Because it is so easy?

[past stratus]

because it does feel like every other melee weapon is just dogshit, which is wrong I know. The reason I use the DS on Psyker is because it goes well with the Infernus

[sudden cedar]

But they are trash in comparison.

The weapons aren't bad by any means, they just aren't a duelling sword.

[past stratus]

idk some oggy and arby weapons are pretty insane

the bully club I'd say is probably more broken than the DS

[marble mantle]

It’s a sin to look this cool

[steep flower]

@marble mantle @bitter scroll @past stratus I'm home! can talk & show stuff

[bitter scroll]

gaming

also i agree, i don't like dueling sword

it's GREAT

it's just not fun

[glass escarp]

Somehow Victor Saltzpyre got lost in 40K

[marble mantle]

Lemme swap to oggy if we’re gonna do true survivor

Idk how much I trust myself on vet yet lol

[marble mantle]

Lollll

[past stratus]

can you just post your Chaxe here? I wanna see perks and blessings

[steep flower]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14138658350278927645/E10EDED0C3BBF4632B38CF4C27748DB3E9FB87F9/
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/9583318303958602738/FB7FDD61C7101EB4C7C72D58F5A0765E15C2972A/

@marble mantle @bitter scroll @past stratus https://discord.gg/kgUrwhj3 If you wanna know more of the chainaxe & TS for Faith

[marble mantle]

@steep flower what voice chat you wanna hop in ?

[past stratus]

I assume the Thunderous is mostly for Havoc right?

[steep flower]

its a build to delete stuff that needs to be deleted fast; chaf does not matter

[marble mantle]

Or, if you have limitless time, we can catch up later.

[steep flower]

i've send an invite to the vc here in discord man

[marble mantle]

Oh okay I didn’t see it

[past stratus]

I'm surprised you don't have any melee talents like desperado or trench, but I guess it does make sense with the rest of your setup. The chaxe getting 10% more attack speed won't really do anything

[bitter scroll]

the videos don't play for some reason

[steep flower]

the right side tree is not needed

[past stratus]

that makes a lot of sense actually, at first I was wondering why with a shotty and the axe you weren't going WS but there isn't really much those weapons can use from that side of the tree.

[dense belfry]

First time hearing about "radical inquisitors", eh?

[tame lodge]

This is sending me because your melee is the primary

[hollow ibex]

doing this in pubs sounds like a recipe for disaster...

[idle bluff]

Peep the fit

[quick seal]

"kill dregs with melee" most bugged melk bounty in the universe

stupid ass melk not tracking my stupid ass kills

[tropic notch]

Your primary weapon is your melee weapon

It’s a good vet build

That’s what melee vet is

[past stratus]

I think what you calling melee vet is just playing the game normally lol I'd say the alternative way is to maximize ranged time and I only ever do that with the Helbore.

[tropic notch]

If you want a pure ranged build I’d play psyker

It’s not recommended to skip his melee nodes

[bitter scroll]

hard

[tropic notch]

You can but you’ll just die in melee

[bitter scroll]

yeah pure ranged is like just psyker with staff

electro staff to be specific

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-palpatine-sidious-lightning-mortis-clone-wars-gif-8105493954523190526

oh this discord's one of those

[tropic notch]

You gotta talk more then you’ll be able to send stuff

https://tenor.com/view/love-and-joy-dancing-cat-heart-is-full-of-love-and-joy-trinkets-trinkets-and-toys-gif-8137689065499612543

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[quick burrow]

any reason why people seem to like out for blood better than confirmed kill ?

[hollow ibex]

O4B procs on everything

and you can do funny things like refresh your entire toughness with two nades

[quick seal]

dude what is wrong with my game

I got disconnected from server and when I reconnected I was in the middle of five big guys and I couldn't pull out my grenade no matter how many times I pressed G

is this a common thing? THis is the first time I've ever had it happen to me. When my keybind straight up would not register. wtf

[quick seal]

Oh my god it’s happening again

[hollow ibex]

has happened to me sometimes

not common tho

[narrow frost]

call a break there

[dense belfry]

What?

Are the servers still fucky?

[bitter scroll]

I was definitely having some problems last weekend but it was on T-mobile's end, not the game's

[quick burrow]

hellbore is surgical and weight of fire correct ?

[calm shard]

for IIIa and IV yes

[grand perch]

yes but you have options, only surgical is basically mandatory

[calm shard]

If you run Sustained Fire with IV you can one shot crushers without exe stance

[grand perch]

depending on mark, falter, armourbane, hotshot, may be forgetting another one

[calm shard]

If you're running a lot of damage

[quick burrow]

im using hte IV someone here said it was the best generalist option or something

with carpace/unyielding

[grand perch]

yeah i run IV with WoF, helps with quickly onetapping basic shooters

[quick seal]

glad to know i'm not crazy. i was like "wtf" lol

[calm shard]

basic shooters don't actually need charge to one tap

[grand perch]

i mean scab and dreg gunners

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-on-fish-fish-sucking-fish-fish-suck-fish-fish-sucking-gif-17306201641452784281

[quick burrow]

brothers am i in the FROM show ?

[grand perch]

youre in the liminal space

be glad that wasnt my spot

[arctic rampart]

congratulations on your promotion, Servitor!

[floral hearth]

Actually a nightmare of mine

[sly orchid]

is the year over yet?

[kind bison]

We're halfway through.

[tame lodge]

So there is...
Still.
Time

[marble ocean]

Dump stat for bolter?

Reload speed?

[tame lodge]

Mobi or collateral

You don't want to use cinder blocks on your arms while reloading

[arctic rampart]

T.dmg (Flak) T.dmg (Maniac) Puncture / Surgical / Cavalcade Pinning Fire / Shattering Impact dump stat mobility

Superiority Complex
Bring it Down!
One Motion
Tactical Reload ``` exec stance option

[safe kestrel]

We’re doing a thing in psyker chat

[kind bison]

One thing I need is a way to get the veteran penances for Weapon Specialist

[safe kestrel]

It’s a challenge of sorts

[kind bison]

Does it not give you a visual indication of your stacks

[safe kestrel]

Run a game no talents, usual difficulty and mode you’d normally play

[normal bay]

It appears in the UI at the bottom of the screen

[kind bison]

I must be missing it

[normal bay]

You have a time limit for the swap crit iirc

[kind bison]

But the trick is what, to get three melee kills, swap to your ranged weapon, get one weakspot crit kill, swap back?

[normal bay]

Pretty much

[kind bison]

Okay that's not too bad

[normal bay]

Some weapons make it easier too

[kind bison]

Revolver probably

[normal bay]

Revolver has a massive bullet, so it's more forgiving

[kind bison]

The other penances I need are just the supression using the skill and smoke grenade obscuring and those are pretty easy

[hollow ibex]

#zealot-class

[normal bay]

Bolt pistol has some janky recoil + aiming reset but has very tight hipfire, so you can bring it out mid melee and blast something in the face

[normal bay]

Tried the Marksman Focus penance yet?

[kind bison]

Yeah I got that one the last few days

Worse than Make Every Shot Count now that there's a double barrel

I just grabbed an infantry autogun to bean hordes in the head and it got faster but it was still annoying

[calm shard]

alas my man didn't know

[faint beacon]

3 melee kills confirm 100% Crit anymore is fire rate

[calm shard]

that it doesn't have to be ranged kills and any kill counts

[faint beacon]

So just orbit 3 melee kills, swap to gun click on elites head

Repeat

[calm shard]

alternatively that the Mk XIV recon lasgun has cleave

[calm shard]

3 melee kills (with knife)

click on horde (with double barrel)

entire horde gone

[faint beacon]

Pretty much

I assume this is WS

[kind bison]

You know the question now is - which ones are the elites

I've always seen them all as a group with the specials

[faint beacon]

Does it make a sound queue when it spawns

Or do you find them naturally spawned and roaming with clumps of enemies

That’s an elite

Sound queue on spawn is specialist

[kind bison]

so an elite is the roaming ones - ragers, bulwarks, reapers, gunners, etc

[calm shard]

snipers are elites

got it

[kind bison]

snipers make a sound tho

[calm shard]

not on spawn they don't

[normal bay]

Gunners, shotgunners, ragers, Ogryns, Maulers

[calm shard]

give me existential dread when playing exe on ventilation purge missions

[faint beacon]

Specialists: Poxbursters, Trappers, Hounds, Mutants, (Snipers are the rare exception), Bombers, and Flamers

[faint beacon]

Everything else is an Elite

[kind bison]

"I'm in danger"

thanks for the tips folks

Still going to be a slog

[normal bay]

I will say this about the evenr

Ragers and Maulers are so much easier to see in a horde

[kind bison]

Aight I need to shower for the Magic prerelease where we are going to be in knock-off less grimdark 40k

[faint beacon]

Gunners are

Insanely common elite types also

[faint beacon]

The 50 billion shotgunners all running out of one door and racking in unison

[sly orchid]

woudlve been an issue if they were launch shotgunners

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/i9dyaL7

[unreal forge]

does flak and maniac perks actually matter? i just do unyielding carapace to destroy mixed hordes

i can see flak being good for the maulers in the mixed horde

[calm shard]

consistent one shots for flamers and gunners

[fervent citrus]

which recon las was the better recon

[fervent citrus]

and what on god's green earth is that sight i need it

[calm shard]

it's the laspistol sight

modded only

L

[fervent citrus]

i do not care if it's modded

i want it

[unreal forge]

for h40?

[calm shard]

auric

[tall torrent]

there're 3 guns that do real 1 taps in havoc, boltgun is not one of them

[narrow frost]

What's a real 1 tap?

Not needing all the damage buffs?

[tall torrent]

helbore IIIa
helbore IV
achlys heavy stubber

all of them need crit-headshots too, usually

[narrow frost]

This is for all enemies bar armored and mutants?

[tall torrent]

there's also a bug with health bar mod

[narrow frost]

Oh?

[tall torrent]

it doesn't always display havoc enemies' health values correctly

it's weird

I wouldn't trust it fully

[narrow frost]

Don't use it but good to know

[tall torrent]

1 tap gunner & flamer as in, core 1 taps

[narrow frost]

Is this in testing or in actual mission

[tall torrent]

actual

[narrow frost]

Okay

[hybrid plover]

To be honest, I stopped using healthbar mod for havoc because too much visual clutter

[tall torrent]

xevra sent me vid of flamer somehow being 1400 in h40

so I asked kuli abt it

[hybrid plover]

It actively hurts my ability to tell what's actually happening on my screen lol

[narrow frost]

Agri shotgun slug fits the bill, no?

*on the topic of real 1 taps

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

I think ur grossly underestimating how much health 2100 unarmored and 2100 maniac are

[narrow frost]

I'm just remembering from real missions

How I don't have trouble 1 tapping all enemies

I don't pay enough attention

[tall torrent]

I think on arb u can push it to 1 tap headshot with slug

but it's pretty finicky and requires a bunch of buffs up

[hearty panther]

15% from justified measures, 15% from weight of the lex, 15% from final warning, 15% from arbitum revelatum, 15% from weight of fire, 15% from target priority

[sly orchid]

tanky dudes

[narrow frost]

15% from being arby class

Don't forget

[hearty panther]

15% for being so fucken cool

[narrow frost]

Another 15% from obeying the lex

[tall torrent]

every single one of these can get cut in half and arb would still have bonkers dmg bonuses

[gaunt hare]

is bolter dump collateral or mobility

[sly orchid]

mob

[hybrid plover]

Mob

[hearty panther]

every time i bite into one of these burgers i make a sexual sound and smile. this is why i only do takeout

[hybrid plover]

Collateral helps when you want to turn a mixed horde into red mist.

And really, there's not much justification for ranged weapons needing mobility anyway

[gaunt hare]

damn

[tame lodge]

Bro thinks he's Shingeki no soma

💀

Or was it

Shoukugeki no soma

Something something I don't Japanese

[hearty panther]

burgers so good youll wish they were tentacle fucking you

[serene bough]

burgers are one of the best foods out there

[tall torrent]

on vet, mobility

[hearty panther]

thats my google review

[narrow frost]

@upbeat rapids

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-headbutt-gif-15075841562648682863

[gaunt hare]

i got a collat one sadly

[fervent citrus]

oh my god i can add in the infantry sight to the recon

im in heaven

[unreal forge]

same I also just realized I don't care to see their healths really

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/spongbob-wot-turning-face-venxy-gif-10817611358451551770

[tall torrent]

it lowkey does not matter outside of specific few cases cuz everything dies in <2s to a competent team

[hybrid plover]

Maybe for like

Crushers?

But even that doesn't matter because trying to figure out what's actually happening with all of those bars while an h40 mixed horde with like over ten crushers is coming at you is just

[tall torrent]

crushers basically always get prioritized by whoever is frontline

[hybrid plover]

Just sensory overload at that point

And it's gotten me killed

[tall torrent]

and they die in 3 hits to the best melee weapons

[hybrid plover]

It's better for immersion anyway

[tall torrent]

unless orange giga stack

[hybrid plover]

Even then, with good weapons and a good team, they shouldn't last long enough that the bars even matter

The one justification for them at this point is that you can see something through fire but... Honestly that's just relying on cheese at that point.

As long as you tag, you don't even need that.

[tall torrent]

side note
after playing arb's shotpistol&shield
I rly want a "grenade gauntlet + shield" ranged weapon for ogryn

[sly orchid]

shotpistol is damn fun

[tall torrent]

would be perfect for his melee frontline builds

pickaxe for dps, shield&gauntlet for tanking ranged and sniping

[hybrid plover]

Honestly, I'd use that with combat blade too

Fast melee to accommodate for slow gauntlet and shield

[tall torrent]

yea

I want that as a ranged option for ogryn

I don't like ogryn's current ranged selection

[hybrid plover]

It'd look rad too.

Me neither honestly.

Grenadier gauntlet is the only one I feel any real interest in.

[bitter scroll]

ogryn only has like three ranged weapons

[hybrid plover]

And kickback.

I absolutely refuse to use rumbler.

[bitter scroll]

gauntlet and the breech loaders

[hybrid plover]

I am so fucking tired of it.

[tall torrent]

rumbler is cringe
kickback gets fked in breakpoints by health boost
twin stubbers do no flak dmg
heavy stubbers are slow
ripper gun is inconsistent
grenade gauntlet is interesting but also a bit inconsistent

ogryn needs shield+GG

and like a lascannon

[calm shard]

unarmored health type freakishly durable

[tall torrent]

multimelta even, tho not sure if they can use it in lore

ik they shud be able to use lascannon tho

[hybrid plover]

My first h40 win was combat blade and grenadier gauntlet on ogryn.

[bitter scroll]

especially scab gunners

[hybrid plover]

Was so fun

[bitter scroll]

er

dreg gunners

[calm shard]

I shoot a toxbomber with a critical helbore shot

[bitter scroll]

fuck dreg gunners

[calm shard]

and they survive that bodyshot

but dreg gunners don't because flak torso

extremely irritating

er wait no not bodyshot

[tall torrent]

helbore's crit bodyshot dmg is way lower than its weakspot hit dmg

[calm shard]

limb shot

[steep flower]

Or try hitting flak bits

[calm shard]

I get that but like jeez dude

[hybrid plover]

I attribute dreg gunners being so durable to dregs in general being a lot more intimately connected to Nurgle tbh

[tall torrent]

tox bombers being 1500 unarmored in h40 is actually really high hp, not many weapons can 1 tap them lol

[hollow ibex]

are scabs stupid? they should just take off their armor because everyone builds for flak damage

stimms: not even once

[tall torrent]

they're also like top 2 most op enemies in the game by a pretty wide margin

[hybrid plover]

Tox bombers will end runs easily.

[tall torrent]

top 3 most hated enemies gotta be bulwark, tox bomber and trapper

in any order

[calm shard]

ditto except replace trapper with chaos spawn

[bitter scroll]

that's how i see it too

[tall torrent]

chaos spawn's worst part is the excessively large pushback box when it's attacking and moving

otherwise it's not that bad

[hearty panther]

i like the idea of bulwarks a lot, but their implementation is rather awful

[hybrid plover]

Shields are mega inconsistent to get around

It's annoying.

Also, surprisingly, I've grown to really, really hate pogryns in Havoc recently

[calm shard]

yeah that's the reason I hate them

and also being tankier than the other monstrosities doesn't help

[bitter scroll]

burgles are my least favorite monstie personally

[hybrid plover]

Their charge can be so much worse than it seems when you get knocked into a really bad spot.

[tall torrent]

it's not tho

[calm shard]

because they are super passive enemies that spend a lot of time walking at you not giving you an opportunity to hit them past their shield

[tall torrent]

it's the lowest hp monster (excluding DH)

[calm shard]

they have lower raw health but being much harder to hit in the weakspot makes them tankier

I kill twins faster than I do chaos spawn xd

[bitter scroll]

they shouldn't have the shield bash

[sly orchid]

ok now get this path

lasgun shield combo for vet as an arbalist

[steep flower]

yah like; why arby cannot use las guns?

like ANY?

[tall torrent]

no
multilas with bayonet + shield

[bitter scroll]

or maybe they should have it but make it telegraphed since there's no way an ogryn should know how to do that

[sly orchid]

arbites arent fielded with las weapons

[hybrid plover]

Yeah it's a lore thing

[sly orchid]

arbites using axes is unorthodox as it is

[hearty panther]

when they show up they show up in groups of like ten and theyre fucking impossible to separate from regular enemies

[hybrid plover]

Same reason they don't use bladed weapons

... Other than axes.

[bitter scroll]

aren't lasguns a militarum thing

[hybrid plover]

And the chainsword for some reason??????

[hearty panther]

they are also countered only by choices you make before you load into a mission. if your loadout has no answer for bulwark blobs you can just go fuck yourself. at least VT2 let you double-push to break open shield enemies

[tame lodge]

Fatshark probably haggled for those axes and Chainsword

Otherwise they'd launch with 4 melees

💀

[hybrid plover]

Okay but

Axes.

We have a chainaxe

But they do not.

But they have a chainsword

[tame lodge]

I do agree that they should have a chain Axe though

[hybrid plover]

Make it make sense.

[tame lodge]

Would help breaking through doors and shit

Or they just breaching shotgun and move on

[bitter scroll]

two handed chainaxe for zealot and arby...

[calm shard]

Y'know

Arbites would probably be able to one shot crushers with a Mk IV chain axe light attack

[tall torrent]

I wonder if they'll add a separate 1-handed power maul that isn't a shock type power maul, exclusive to arb

[calm shard]

WIth how much raw damage they have

[sly orchid]

We have the baton

That hasnt been added yet

But it does have a stun as a poke

[tame lodge]

PB 90

[tall torrent]

there's 2nd var of arb maul and 3rd var of ext shotgun in files, unreleased

[tame lodge]

Police Baton 90cm

[tall torrent]

it's in the files
tho we don't know who'll have access to it

[calm shard]

zealot feels obvious

but the enemies that have them are traitor guardsmen so clearly it's also a vet weapon :)

[tame lodge]

But those traitors guardsmen are melee units wearing carapace
So it's clearly and Arby's weapon

[tall torrent]

Currently unreleased weapons that I know of that are in the files

3rd mark of power sword
3rd mark of relic blade
3rd mark of heavy laspistol
3rd mark of exterminator shotgun
2nd mark of arbites shock maul
2-handed chainaxe
Melta gun
Longlas
2 marks of 2-handed power axe
3 marks of 2-handed hammer for ogryn
2 marks of power sword with heat meter mechanic
2 additional marks of plasma gun
At least 1 additional mark of spearhead boltgun
At least 1 additional mark of shredder autopistol

I don’t remember the rest

[bitter scroll]

kasrkin class

[tall torrent]

already veteran

[hybrid plover]

Wonder if the other classes will have access to arby shock maul later down the line since, technically that'd make sense

[tall torrent]

doubt it

[sudden cedar]

Doubt it.

[hybrid plover]

I can hope. 😔

[sudden cedar]

Arbitrators would not hand out their special equipment to... ruffians. Even if they are inquisitorial ruffians.

[sly orchid]

ok path relic blade and powersword explain

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-fresh-mr-fresh-cat-cat-demiaowa-hello-street-cat-gif-14005121929265449159

[hybrid plover]

Not that they would hand them out

[tall torrent]

powersword_2h_p1_m3

powersword_p2_m1
powersword_p2_m2

[sly orchid]

actualy explain both greatswords laspistol arbites marks and the plasma bolter shredder marks

[tall torrent]

current power sword is called powersword_p1_m1 and powersword_p1_m2

[hybrid plover]

A lot of the weapons in the requisitorium are basically hand me downs from operatives that have died.

[sudden cedar]

I mean, its a special weapon to the class just as much as the flamer and thunderhammer are for the zealot.

[calm shard]

both other marks of the double barrel

[sly orchid]

i only know the heat based ones the insignias and the artstation leak

[calm shard]

Oh also third mark of the laspistol

you mentioned that

[hearty panther]

cant wait for the mark69 shredderer autopistol

[calm shard]

am dumb

[sly orchid]

i hope its a braced bolter

[tall torrent]

idk where

[calm shard]

I think every weapon in the game barring a few one offs are supposed to have 3 marks

[sudden cedar]

Recon Las Pistol

[sly orchid]

25 ammo but less damage

[bitter scroll]

vigilant autogun that doesn't suck ass when

[hybrid plover]

Yeah but those weapons are relatively heavier compared to what veterans wield.

Arby maul is, just a maul.

[sudden cedar]

@bitter scroll They already don't suck.

[tall torrent]

everything besides psyker staves basically

[tame lodge]

That's
That's the mk7

[narrow frost]

They suck?

[calm shard]

this is the semi auto one

[sudden cedar]

@hybrid plover That is not the point. The point is, it is a special weapon for the class.

[hybrid plover]

I'm aware of this.

Then again, that was the case with the dueling sword.

And well, look what happened to that.

[tall torrent]

duelling sword is not class specific in lore

whereas arb maul is very class specific in lore

[hybrid plover]

Arby is

Yeh.

Though it doesn't even seem like Fatshark themselves are following the lore to the tee like that since

Axes and chainsword.

[sudden cedar]

You can always hope.

But remember.

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

[sly orchid]

i dont mind unique weapons

but i do hope for a new plasma and bolter mark

[hybrid plover]

I just want a melta gun. Or a stubber for vet

You know

LIKE THE ONE THEY HAVE IN THE CLASS TREE ART

THAT ISN'T IN THE GAME

[tall torrent]

melta will most likely be zealot exclusive purely for gameplay reasons

[hybrid plover]

That will always bother me immensely.

I figure that.

[inland orchid]

The massive gun with the vet smoking is one I’m hoping for

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. The stubber.

[sly orchid]

bleh

as it stands

[inland orchid]

Need to get our bonewielder to make us stronger

[sly orchid]

zealot vet and arbites can use meltas

arbites with the argument of them being enforcers

fun fact

the new necromunda enforcer models use disintegrators

[sudden cedar]

Necromunda has always been an outlier.

[tall torrent]

do u rly think a gun that does 0 dmg past 15m with super low capacity, super slow draw and reload time would fit vet

[sly orchid]

yes

[tall torrent]

ur smoking crack

[sly orchid]

people want a vet rework so my guess its coming

so take advantage of that

[simple cobalt]

as a melee vet, I just want another option of "decent gun I never have to reload" aside from plasma

[pseudo fiber]

I don't think we're gonna get disintergrator rifles lol

[hybrid plover]

...Helbore :)

[sudden cedar]

You could play Ogryn for that.

[marble mantle]

@steep flower hey what do you run on your chaxe again? Bloodletter and thunderous?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/postal-dude-gif-27415753

[sly orchid]

i just thought it was funny

[hybrid plover]

Not memeing. Helbore with hot Shot is really good for vet.

[steep flower]

Yes

[hybrid plover]

If you're going melee focused.

[sly orchid]

enforcers casually using horus heresy era tech

[marble mantle]

And if I remember correctly it was carp unyielding? Or no

[simple cobalt]

Actually never tried it in 400 hrs lol, not even once. OK, will do.

[steep flower]

Yes

[hybrid plover]

If you use weapon specialist, the bayonet procs melee specialist since it's consider a kill while your ranged weapon is out

[marble mantle]

Chain-axe grimdark cowboy here we come

[tall torrent]

wdym proc melee specialist

helbore can only gain melee specialist

it cannot use melee specialist's bonus

[plain osprey]

Is deadshot useful on a exe stance Shotgun build ?

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. Proc melee specialist so that you can get the benefit when you switch to melee

[hearty panther]

imagine if using the bayonet was considered a 0.001ms weapon swap lul

[hybrid plover]

Even if you technically did a melee attack with the bayonet.

Some people don't know that.

[simple cobalt]

confusion intensifies

melee kills get you ranged specialist

[hybrid plover]

No. The kill you get while that weapon is out is what dictates the specialist bonus. Even if you use the bayonet to get a kill, that is still considered getting a kill while having your ranged weapon out, which qualifies for proccing melee specialist

[plain osprey]

I ask again: is deadshot useful on a exe stance shotgun build?

[unreal nova]

This is why 2 'nades can usually get you 10 stacks with your melee out.

[simple cobalt]

ah. well it honestly would've been more fun to just get 1 stack of ranged spec with bayonet without switching.

like for 1 good shot

[hearty panther]

deadshot is not useful in general

still true here

[hybrid plover]

But real reason why Hot Shot Helbore is good for melee vet

[plain osprey]

Thx. That's all i needed to know. Will take it out

[hybrid plover]

Is cuz the bonus to cleave also applies to your melee weapon at all times

Or rather, the debuff to enemy hit mass.

[simple cobalt]

Now that's interesting.

I believe I stubled on that video too but didn't watch it

[hybrid plover]

That second part is also the reason you want hot Shot 1

And not 4

Since the benefit is inversed.

It doesn't increase cleave. It multiplies the enemy hit mass by a decimal value.

Hot Shot 4 multiplies it by 0.5
Hot Shot 1 multiplies it by 0.2, which results in significantly lower hit mass for Hot Shot 1 than 4.

#justfatsharkthings

[marble mantle]

Hey what’s the identifiable difference in usage between the two revolvers

Cuz part of my wants to use fan revolver, but like why would I

[tall torrent]

zarona is way better

[calm shard]

no real reason

it has more ammo ig but it's so much worse at everything else

[marble mantle]

Yeah that’s kinda what I was thinking

Like why does it even exist lol

[tame lodge]

You'd the use fanning on a meme monstrosity killing build

[marble mantle]

With trick shooter I’d imagine

[hybrid plover]

Monstrosities.

If you're accurate, it's kind of unrivaled as a boss killer for a ranged weapon.

But that's if

You need to be on point with weak spot hits.

Meaning it's not great against chaos spawn unfortunately but pogryns and bonbons will absolutely melt.

[calm shard]

Right but like

The Bolter

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. More consistent but having a good shot with agri can kill em faster.

[hearty panther]

you gotta critmax the shit out of the agri to do that

[hybrid plover]

I've used it in havoc 40 on arby and its fucking hilarious.

[hearty panther]

its really just a meme possibility, not anything realistic

either way i still find it very fun to use

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. Inconsistent but if you can get it down, very fun weapon to use.

[quick seal]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

hi vets

[elder vessel]

hi temde

[brittle garden]

has anyone got a link to meta veteran build? I like using voice of command fyi

[calm shard]

7 points free to pick whatever

[brittle garden]

i enjoy using smoke grenades too if that changes things?

[tall torrent]

what mode

[midnight totem]

axes are ugly

[calm shard]

-1 skill point

[tall torrent]

pick what u like

[brittle garden]

just missions ect. helping friends level and grinding to get resources for gear

[calm shard]

cheaper to run speed aura tho

it's a good aura

but people WILL judge you for bringing it in havocs if you're the only veteran

[tall torrent]

u don't need survivalist outside of a few guns and a few modes

[calm shard]

I also personally would never run smokes without tinkerer because double duration is huge

[brittle garden]

judge me for bringing smokes?

[tall torrent]

he's not doing havoc lol

[calm shard]

oh well yeah some idiots do in fact judge for bringing smokes

[brittle garden]

i do want to run hvocs eventually

[calm shard]

but they're very strong grenades

especially in higher intensity game modes

[brittle garden]

i love the smokes it means my big meat ball ogryn friend stops complainning about being shot haha

[sonic kayak]

"Smokes? Really?"

The amount of times I get that

[calm shard]

30 second psyker dome that can't be shot to death in 6 seconds

and you get up to 4 of them

[sonic kayak]

I also make sure to mention at the end: "Whoever tells you smokes are bad, tell them of your experience here"

[calm shard]

Especially if you get into Havocs

Smokes are better than Shredders in Havoc imo

[tall torrent]

depends on team

[sonic kayak]

For me it's the map, but in most cases smokes work for all of them

Metalfab maps can fuck right off though

[brittle garden]

just getting the smaller talent tree mod and im gunna share what i have just fo funs lol

[past stratus]

people probably prefer their Vets with shredder/VOC/Survivor because that the build they know that is the hardest to fuck up and that they can take the most advantage off even if you (the Vet) is dog shit

[brittle garden]

wtf this mod is not working right haha

[brittle garden]

how have you got screenshots like this?

[calm shard]

have to manually set how much smaller the skill trees are in the mod options

[strange crow]

You could use the gameslantern online build creator

[brittle garden]

that sounds easier

[tall torrent]

gameslantern website

[brittle garden]

i cant put screenshots in here

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f7c7482-91be-4eaa-a5d0-252b300d965c

this is the build

[strange crow]

If youre running knife, you’re def gonna have to dump the points to make it worthwhile

[brittle garden]

dump the points?

[strange crow]

Sorry like spend points

Reciprocity, desperado, trench fighter, stamina regen

5 points right there

[plain osprey]

I think you need to post more so your name turns red. Then you can post fotos

[brittle garden]

what if i run chain sword?

[past stratus]

idk if FT is it with the Revolver

[strange crow]

If you want something that’s good with little to no points investment, do power sword

Chainsword is really only good on hordes and even then it’s not the best

[brittle garden]

i used power sword and didnt like the feel of it

i dont know if i was using it wrong or something 🤣

[strange crow]

Did you have power cycler and did you use mark 6?

Without power cycler it’s rough

[strange crow]

Also I’d say catch a breath instead of get back in the fight

It’s the node above survivalist

[marble mantle]

Why, on the zarona, would you ever run crucian over surgical?

[marble mantle]

Same

I need to give it another go

[brittle garden]

no it was just a average power sword haha

[elder vessel]

even the mk 3 feels great to use

But uh

you still need that power cycler

[strange crow]

Fr fr

[brittle garden]

is hand canon okay or is plasma better?

i like the speed and the bleed from knife but you are saying i need to invest points into it if i do?

[tall torrent]

outside of havoc, zarona revolver is the best gun in the game

[brittle garden]

what about in havoc?

[tall torrent]

Helbore, plasma, recon, boltgun, boltpistol

[strange crow]

Also I’d say def precision strikes over rending strikes

[brittle garden]

i did see someone running recon and that looked very fun

[strange crow]

Recon is very fun imo

[marble mantle]

Mmmmmfgggnnmm helbore

[brittle garden]

what should i drop then for the combat knife points then?

i just love the speed and fluidness of the combt knife so if i have to invest points i shall do so

[strange crow]

Prob the survivalist pathing

[brittle garden]

oooooooooor i could do a stealth veteran with combat knife if thats better?

[strange crow]

Stealth not really too good

[brittle garden]

fun though 😉

[strange crow]

For you

Teammates getting more enemies aggro’d on them

[brittle garden]

fine i will be a team player and not just try speed run the whole mission solo🤣

[hollow ibex]

stealth is fine so long as the one getting aggroed is the staffker behind you

[brittle garden]

we have a problem haha

i cant get any of the purple passive stuff if i try take the combat knife points

[hollow ibex]

"yessir, the freak was flattened by four crushers. nothing we could have done sir. very unfortunate sir."

[brittle garden]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f7c7bc1-dcb1-416d-8359-6b7867426825 anyone want to fix me 😢

stamina reg boost off for focus target?

[hollow ibex]

if you want to run bleed knife

you really want WS

and you can drop the stam regen delay node

i would also sugest sprint eff instead of stam regen on curios

[hollow ibex]

replace it with agile engagement

which is also very important for a knife/volver build

[brittle garden]

so sprint eff instead sounds good

i shall try it out now 😄

hate being a# noob in games like this haha

i was pretty much just played psyker for a while and changed to vet yesterday and leveled to 30 today

thank you everyone!!

[elder vessel]

tfw suppressing enemies on decloak

[calm shard]

I do appreciate the extra red node that gives me +30% damage

That's nice

Makes me feel good about using it as a one off "I would like more damage please" button

Even if I have no idea about its "practical value"

[elder vessel]

Should be a base behavior tbh

[calm shard]

It should yeah

Also if Zealot's FoTF upgrade that gives it a second charge doesn't come with a longer cooldown then Infiltrate's shouldn't either

[elder vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[marble mantle]

Hey I’m looking at plasma gun in the doc, but there’s like… a lot of options for perks and blessings. Anyone got any suggestions for a complete setup?

[past stratus]

if you're not used to it I'd say go optimized cooling combo

then once you get more comfortable you change to a more offensive setup

[marble mantle]

Okay so blaze away and optimized?

Then which perks

[unreal forge]

gets hot and rising heat will probably give you the most consistent damage

[normal bay]

I think it's "gets hot" and "rising heat" for the optimal setup?

[unreal forge]

i dunno what perks matter. probably flak and unyielding

[tall torrent]

unarmored
maniac/flak
gets hot
rising heat

[marble mantle]

Oh okay word thanks

[past stratus]

just don't try to kill carapace with the Plasma and you should be fine

[sly orchid]

Unarmored and maniac?

https://tenor.com/view/lies-of-p-pinocchio-gif-8034685000585713923

[past stratus]

I don't know what that gif means, why is that kid looking at the old lady?

[tame lodge]

That's a kid?!?!?

[tall torrent]

yea

[past stratus]

I'm at my late 30s every video game character is a kid 👴

[trim pivot]

The scientific term is twink

[tame lodge]

That's a puppet

It'll never be a real boy

[trim pivot]

We all know why they made him that realistic

[trim pivot]

I'd prob go elites and carapace / unyielding

[past stratus]

😭

[spring ocean]

I haven't poked around in here much, but wanted to get some questions answered in here.

Is there a suitable replacement for the plasma gun in havocs? Or am I out of luck there and deal with plasma gun being the reasonable choice for the vet?

[tame lodge]

Helbore

[spring ocean]

I guess, anything else out there to take or is that it?

[elder vessel]

SM2 plasma guns

darktide plasma

[spring ocean]

powerful

[elder vessel]

You bring the pistol and the incinerator

charge shots until overheat

2 plasma gun

charge shot until overheat

endless loop

[calm shard]

okay do it for bolters

[trim pivot]

Love me helbore,
but not the long ass switch animation

[tame lodge]

Recon
Bolt Pistol for grenadier builds
Double Barrel for weapon specialist builds

[spring ocean]

gotcha, I'll give the bolt pistol build a try, not really a fan of the helbore. I've tried recon, though having to hold down the trigger a bit tends to fuck with combat flow at times for me.

[hybrid plover]

They buffed that. It's honestly a lot better now.

Honestly was the only thing making me not like it and now I love it.

[tame lodge]

The humble vigilant 7

3?
That's vigi3

I don't use the burst ones

[normal bay]

Embrace EXE stance bolter

[tame lodge]

Eh it's h40

[marble mantle]

Hey so not to be pedantic or anything, but if you’re running survivalist, why wouldnt you just dump ammo on plasma?

[hybrid plover]

Ammo quantity also affects the effectiveness of survivalist

[marble mantle]

I mean sure yeah, but it still gives ammo. So it’s not like you’re starving, I guess.

It’s just highly highly unlikely that I’ll get that perfect number specific roll and I don’t know what alternative I should be leaning towards

[hybrid plover]

I mean, if you're not minmaxing it, I don't see why not

But there is a legit reason why you don't want to dump ammo.

[marble mantle]

Why

[hybrid plover]

That's it. More ammo always good. You get more ammo from survivalist with higher ammo stat

Now honestly, in lkke

Auric

Barely matters.

[past stratus]

I dumped thermal on mine and called it a day, because I didn't intend to main the gun. And even then it was pretty chill to use it

[hybrid plover]

Havoc?

Completely different story.

[marble mantle]

So you’re telling me that getting that 69 / 71 makes that much of a difference in havoc

[hybrid plover]

Not that. But that having ammo at 80 is really important

[marble mantle]

Oh okay the ammo

[hybrid plover]

Because ammo pickups are severely nerfed as you go up in rank.

[marble mantle]

Got it.

Yeah no that makes sense.

Idk. Then I’m either gonna dump thermal or charge. Probably thermal.

[hybrid plover]

Thermal is fine to dump honestly.

Helps reach big damage with the usual blessings anyway.

[past stratus]

Isn't charge completely useless in the Plasma currently since you should only ever tap shoot

[marble mantle]

Dude fuck this game lmfao

I literally just got the 69/71

First pull

[hybrid plover]

Holy shit

[marble mantle]

This the one, right?

69 thermal 71 charge?

[hollow ibex]

yup

[marble mantle]

Nice. lol.

So this entire conversation served nil.

[hollow ibex]

hell of a lottery win

[marble mantle]

No kidding

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-congrats-kid-congratulations-nice-gif-11565253382391449339

[tame lodge]

Nah
The whole weapon is charge based
Primary fire just charges it to ~50%

[marble mantle]

That’s a handsome lil guy but he seems unhappy for me

[tame lodge]

It's why blessings with 'charge' on them works on the primary

Albeit at ~50% effectiveness

[past stratus]

weird ass gun

[tall torrent]

congrats u beat the game's RNG

[past stratus]

I still don't like it

[marble mantle]

Woohooooo

[tame lodge]

Now for Ripper

[marble mantle]

I’m loving this positive attention everyone

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

[marble mantle]

Yay smiles all around

[normal bay]

THE

FIRST

FUCKING

PULL

[quick burrow]

which one u guys think is better ? i assume the orange ones stat spread is slightly better

[calm shard]

getting back into the weapon specialist swing of things and these FREAKY arbites

making me feel inadequate

having people do almost the same damage as me

[trim pivot]

Finally fw the vraks infantry ag

it fun

[hybrid plover]

"Did you breathe? Here's 15% extra damage."

"Narrowly avoided a single poxwalker? Another 15% for ya, bud. It's on us, Obesefish."

Like I've just accepted that it's not really a big deal to be seeing arbites doing that kind of damage because the amount of buffs they have is absurd.

[atomic void]

nooooo my teamates are killing things!!!

[hollow ibex]

unironically an issue when things are overtuned

[atomic void]

sure but its funny cause im begging for decent teammates for this event in partiular man

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah it's been awful

[atomic void]

people never learned how to melee crushers and guns arent doing shit to them

[hollow ibex]

and so many god damn leavers

[atomic void]

oh no i got overheaded and wasnt saved in 2 seconds

LEAVES

[hybrid plover]

Literally had someone leave while I was rezzing them the other day

A smyker no less.

[atomic void]

clearly u should have been faster buddy

[hybrid plover]

Clearly, I should have killed the green crusher that he got over headed by faster while he smited it.

A green crusher.

[atomic void]

this is why u run 30% res speed

[hybrid plover]

Smited.

Like need I say more

[calm shard]

I am kinda curious what shotgun is the best for weapon specialist vet

double barrel obviously hits like a freight train

accatran, zarona, and agri all get more ammo though

[tall torrent]

DB or agripinaa mk7

[tame lodge]

It's always agripina

[calm shard]

I assume Man-Stopper is a given

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-its-so-peak-praying-hands-praying-black-guy-gif-9969548697603007069

[calm shard]

since it's almost always going to crit

but what for second blessing

[tall torrent]

eh, no?

[calm shard]

really?

even if I am intending to only use the shotgun with WS

For the sake of guaranteed crit

[tall torrent]

yea I mean

full bore + no respite is the standard for agripinaa mk7

u could run manstopper but u give up a lot of sustained single target dmg

[calm shard]

I stab things with my knife for sustained single target damage

[tall torrent]

full bore mandatory

[calm shard]

not on the double barrel surely

on agri it makes sense because the slug always procs full bore

and it's really tight spread anyways

[gaunt hare]

guessing bolt pistol has the same dump stat as bolt gun?

[calm shard]

agri is better than the arbites shotgun

at least according to the arbites players

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/LxhEst9 absolute bullshit

[sonic kayak]

Love me my slotting

Also is that the.. DS5? I respect that

[inland orchid]

Devious groaner activities

[trim pivot]

groaner knows some maneuvers'

[hybrid plover]

groaner got moves

broke your ankles

crossed you into the shadow realm

[tawdry blade]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[unreal forge]

only vets I've seen outdo arbitrator damage are helbore mk4 focus target vets

agripina is indisputably better at single target and sniping

also for quick draws

worse at close range, collaterals and spread-out groups

good balance, I believe

[past stratus]

Did the double barrel shotgun get buffed in the last patch as well?

[unreal forge]

yeah but not notably

0.1 more ADM on a few armor types, 10 more shells

[red fox]

Am i crazy that every like 2 Auric games it wipes, is that a normal experience

[hollow ibex]

auric is noticeably harder than it used to be so some teams just fold like tissue paper

and the event isn't helping because it requires people to melee

[past stratus]

I don't think there is a pattern like that, it just happens

[red fox]

I meant more like is that the usual experience people have

[unreal forge]

fucking world shattering

[past stratus]

No, last time I logged in I lost two games in 5 minutes

[hollow ibex]

tbf DB was already good

[past stratus]

the day before I've had a lot of good games

it's just how it goes

[red fox]

fair enough

[red fox]

Everytime this kinda happens and the team fall aparts in the first room i always wonder if i could've done better to save it

[unreal forge]

can I play with u

I want to see these matches

[past stratus]

my theory is that the difficulty increase and the arby players trying new classes is generating this catastrophic combination

[unreal forge]

it was always like this

[past stratus]

and sometimes you get a team that literally shift + W key to death

[unreal forge]

literally always been like that for aurics

[past stratus]

in 2 minutes

[red fox]

I could just be rubbish and its my fault too tbf

[red fox]

I had a group that ran past every rotten armour group and i just couldn't keep up 🥹

[unreal forge]

one of my first auric maelstroms there was a guy constantly killing himself because he wanted to be carried and not play

[marble mantle]

Mmmmm double barrel

Manstopper double barrel

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-outer-space-gif-988837663270596515

[unreal forge]

still makes me salty thinking about it

its why i started havoc

[marble mantle]

I might have to become a plasma enthusiast considering I got the perfect roll.

How does plasma hold up in high havoc?

[unreal forge]

great

I think it's overrated but it's good

[marble mantle]

I’m starting to like it more

I used to not

[unreal forge]

requires you to vacuum up all the ammo

one ammo tin gives you back only 3% ammo at havoc 40

hardly worth picking up

[marble mantle]

What I need to do is find like a deep dive video on its nuances because it is quite frankly a pretty unique gun

[unreal forge]

no nuances to it

you just aim at head and press M1

the M2 is useless, it uses too much ammo and does not much damage

its only current use is for niche scenarios like penetrating terrain

[marble mantle]

Which is like, cool

[unreal forge]

M1 can do that too, but with not as much penetration

[marble mantle]

Wall hacks is crazy

Ads fire goes through bulwark shields too right? Does m1?

[arctic rampart]

yea

[unreal forge]

M1 does, yes

[marble mantle]

Haha cool

[unreal forge]

alt fire is just not worth using really. They didn't make it strong enough to justify the ammo sink

[hasty perch]

Whats a good anti-carapace melee weapon for vet? The event is kicking my ass

[unreal forge]

dueling sword, power sword

[marble mantle]

The alt fire being the ads?

[unreal forge]

yes

[hasty perch]

thx

[marble mantle]

Doesn’t the ads have like crazy cleave though? Or do both of them

[unreal forge]

M1 already has 100 cleave

[marble mantle]

Fkn wild

[calm shard]

huh

[calm shard]

okay but how about like 100 more

[unreal forge]

this is from the leaked in-dev testing changes they were making to the plasma gun

gives you an idea of what its current stats are

[marble mantle]

Ahh

[unreal forge]

"what if we just made the M1 useless and basically kept the M2 unchanged? would that make it better?"

bravo FS

[calm shard]

oh wow they're planning on murdering that thing's M1 lmao

[unreal forge]

I still think it's overrated

[calm shard]

also the fucking suppression nerfs lmao

I would rather see every weapon have at MINIMUM a 15 meter suppression radius on kill

With enough suppression to get enemies to stop fucking shooting

[unreal forge]

terrible mobility, needs too much ammo

[tame lodge]

Yeah seems like they want to keep M1 as snappy "this needs to die now"

And push M2 to Kill that big thing

[marble mantle]

Which frankly is probably overdue

[unreal forge]

plasma gun should ideally be the strongest gun in the game

[tame lodge]

Instead of M1 being "this direction needs to die now"

[unreal forge]

I don't know if those changes will affect the M2

it would be a shame if the plasma gun simply entirely lost its cleave potential

considering it's a plasma gun

[gaunt hare]

got an optimized boltgun and immediately did this to it with mods

[quick burrow]

should i run deadshot with surgical for the hellbore ?

[hollow ibex]

nah

you build crit already really quickly

[quick burrow]

MK4 if that matters lol

[hollow ibex]

yeah so even more crit per shot because charge time

[marble mantle]

Sapper shovel is fuckin Pog

What can’t it do

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/we-don't-have-to-talk-about-it-elfo-nat-faxon-disenchantment-it's-okay-if-you-don't-want-to-talk-about-it-gif-5128954401414633002

[marble mantle]

It might be my favorite vet melee so far

Ngl

Mk1 obviously

[junior grail]

I want chainweapon rev special to suppress enemies in 2m radius

[arctic rampart]

it can't move as fast as knife or ds

[marble mantle]

Fair

[calm shard]

smh scope

man either uses crosshair mod (gross) or simply accepts the pain (admirable)

[gaunt hare]

saying that like some bolters don’t have scopes in universe

[calm shard]

More that the scopes from the weapon customization mod are all awful and unusable

[gaunt hare]

I can use them just fine

you just have a skill issue

[leaden gazelle]

is it optimal to use 2 wounds and ignore it on trinkets as i build my character or should I stack em

was looking at this funny guy that enabled my poor choices in weapons and noticed he didnt have wounds on his https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e9f9ace-a35e-4256-96c0-be1dc8887582/bolt-pistol-veteran-current

[marble mantle]

No wounds

[wispy sorrel]

The stupid part is though these are only for Space marines, the one group that legit shouldn't NEED a scope, unless they lost their helmet.

[gaunt hare]

fr

like why are they space marines only

[kind bison]

spehss mahreens are overrated

[hollow ibex]

1 wound tops, and to be replaced as soon as you can

[gaunt hare]

i get boltguns have crazy recoil but you’d think that even ones made for normal people would have scopes to take advantage of the crazy range

[wispy sorrel]

TBH I don't know why Bolters made for humans are still built like that. makes more sense that it should be longer, and probably come with a Bipod for firing prone, like a Bren or a BAR.

[kind bison]

Boltguns shouldn't have much recoil at all

[wispy sorrel]

Given it's basically a gyrojet, yeah

[kind bison]

They're gyrojets; the round's propulsion is rocket powered and the charge to make it leave the barrel is not very big.

They're like Torgue guns without the Cool Factor™

[gaunt hare]

the recoil is from the initial charge

[trim pivot]

OP super humans are a shitty trope.
Everything else becomes balanced around/against them and suddenly basic b humans suck.

[wispy sorrel]

I'm guessing it has a launch charge to get around one of the gyrojet's big problems. Namely that the initial velocity was so low it was basically unusable point blank. (you could actually plug the barrel with your finger loony toons style and that would WORK.

[kind bison]

That's not going to be huge though

[gaunt hare]

well the smallest boltguns are .75 cal

[kind bison]

Shitty unless done right. The Republic Commandos technically count but are more interesting than Space Marines

[gaunt hare]

tbh clone commandos are less superhumans and more eugenicsed humans

[kind bison]

I'll give you that; they also have some implants

They've got a bacta processing implant

(Also do not talk to me about Star Wars post 2014, I just know EU stuff not Disney shit X>)

[marble mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-astartes-3d-art-nope-gif-16794679

[gaunt hare]

clone commandos in current canon are basically the same as eu commandos

[marble mantle]

BIG AND COOL SILENT PROTAGONIST

[kind bison]

Except that they get -100000000 vibes because Disney sucks and therefore the EU ones are better

[kind bison]

I could kill a space marine.

[marble mantle]

Actually no, theyre not real

[kind bison]

Am I real?

:>

[marble mantle]

Maybe, but that’s more of a philosophical question than the debate between discernible fiction and assumed fact

[kind bison]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It's just fun powerscaling against space marines because some folks be like "Nuh uh space marines win because blah blah blah" and anyone with any smarts goes "Nah, they're just weird guys in too much armour"

[marble mantle]

I just think they cool

Shrimple as

[kind bison]

That's fair! Some of them are cool!

[trim pivot]

I would say things like republic commandos are tastefully done because while being skilled and superior to the average person, they're not capable of steamrolling everything.

[calm shard]

I wish they'd use their cool vehicles more often

Space Marines individually? Lame

Action Figure lookin' ass dudes

[kind bison]

They definitely aren't capable of steamrolling anything

[calm shard]

Space Marine tanks?

Cool cubes

Cubes good

[marble mantle]

Dreadnoughts? Even cooler

[calm shard]

Yes

[kind bison]

corpse knights

[marble mantle]

That scene in space marine 2 genuinely made me want to fist fight a helbrute

[kind bison]

Which one

[marble mantle]

LEAD ME TO THE SLAUGHTER

[kind bison]

The one where the dread smashes through a wa - ye

The one where he throws a statue at a heldrake I mean - WAIT WHY DO I HAVE A DIFFERENT COLOUR NOW

[marble mantle]

Oh hey you’re red now

You can post pictures

And your embeds will work

[wispy sorrel]

I wish games workshop wouldn't keep trying the make us all like the dullest space marines instead fo giving any of the more interesting chapters some time in the spotlight.

I wouldn't mind all the space marine stuff if it wasn't always ultra-smurfs

[kind bison]

I am now curious as to what that process entails.

Is it a time thing? Or is there like a mod that goes "This bird seems moderately all right"

[gaunt hare]

you’re blue now, that’s my attack

[marble mantle]

I’m blue da boo de da boo dye da boo de da boo dye da boo de da boo dye

[kind bison]

I desire more space marines that are actually reasonable like the non-canon reasonable marines. Give me ones that will do diplomacy even with xenos and will adjust their armour colours and styles to support different types of warfare.

Also long time no see how's registrum

[wispy sorrel]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XDigwaYs-sY

[kind bison]

Yeah I think them and the Raptors but like

I want a MORE REASONABLE chapter

[wispy sorrel]

the problem is in 40K being reasonable gets you executed for heresy, unless you're an inquisitor or a rogue trader

[kind bison]

I love satire don't you

The real problem is that people don't understand that 40K is fucking satire

[wispy sorrel]

Also they're fine as far as I know, don't spend a lot fo time on DRG atm, I'm waiting for Rogue Core

[kind bison]

I left the server. The kiddos were assholes.

The mods did nothing.

So I crashed out, yelled at the kiddos, yelled at the mods, and left before they could ban me.

[wispy sorrel]

Yeah, especially Games Workshop....

[kind bison]

They do sometimes

It's just that money talks more

[wispy sorrel]

It's really stupid when Games Workshop start taking their own nonsense seriously, and expecting us to take it seriously, it's like Dude, it's meant to be a dark satire, if you take this stuff SERIOUSLY it's just DEPRESSING. You have to laugh at it to enjoy it.

[kind bison]

yeah

[marble mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/erron-black-battle-shooting-gif-13844434

https://tenor.com/view/mk11-mortal-kombat-erron-black-mortal-kombat11-gif-22057302

[calm shard]

crazy how this guy was so cool in MKX and then the lamest shit ever in the next game

Though I suppose that's more MK11 not having anywhere near as much cool and flashy shit as MKX did

[marble mantle]

Hey at least he looks cool yk

[calm shard]

Yeah

[marble mantle]

He was my inspiration for my outfit

I saw the cowboy hat and immediately I had to

[barren cave]

Did they take excise vault 17 out of the game or something, I haven't seen it in literal weeks

[calm shard]

Granted I main zoners so

My taste in fighting game characters is deviant at best

[kind bison]

No I think it's there

[marble mantle]

I was never particularly good at fighting games lol. In MK I mostly played liu kang cuz I like fist fighting

[calm shard]

I did a few online tournaments at my peak in like

Injustice 1/MKX

[marble mantle]

I could never

[calm shard]

I know DAMN WELL I could have done more in MKX but I never committed

[marble mantle]

My hand eye coordination is nil at best, a hinderance at worst

[kind bison]

I am not good at fighters

[calm shard]

I've played a relatively wide variety

Street Fighter 4 was my gateway drug

And I've bought basically every major fighting game since then

[marble mantle]

My dad got me into MK as a kid. My first game like ever was deadly alliance

[calm shard]

Even if I haven't really played a few of them

I am 100% going to be baited into playing SF6 when Viper comes out though

Because that is the character that made me enjoy fighting games when I played SF4

[marble mantle]

But I got heavy into COD zombies, payday 2, that kinda horde shit. So this game is like crack to me. This and vt, and like drg

[kind bison]

DRG is good

[marble mantle]

DRG is most fun with friends

[kind bison]

I haven't played since easter because I'm waiting for a double xp event

[calm shard]

Yeah that doesn't say much

I imagine staring at paint drying on a wall would be most fun with friends

[marble mantle]

I’m a drilla for kicks

[calm shard]

DRG does have fun loadout variety tho

[kind bison]

I mostly main engie

[marble mantle]

If shit ain’t exploding, I ain’t exploring

If I’m out of c4 you best believe I’m spending our nitra

[kind bison]

Helldivers is also a good horde shooter

[marble mantle]

It’s coming to Xbox soon, I’m gonna preorder

I ain’t got pc

[kind bison]

When it's not you dealing with overtuned enemies

[calm shard]

Helldivers is starting to suffer the warframe problem lately

But it's not gotten out of hand yet

Devs are scared to nerf overpowered shit on the player side