if you can head shot
#veteran-class
pallid jetty
ah, "melee"
sry
NO 🙂
HAHAHAHAHA 
non-voc non melee vet build
stoopid
well actually maybe this, with tac axe
some perks can be changed of course
red robin
Unironically Helbore goated for melee builds
Simply because hotshot applies to melee
Hotshot Tier 1 is 80% hit mass reduction on headshot
So it’ll hyper cleave heads
Unless the weapon has a hard coded cap
I personally like the devils claw with hotshot just so I can take skullcrusher + shred for little bit of soft int trolling
robust basin
Hey guys, I made a quick reference chart for Empowerment Cost to get weapons to 500:
Pass it around.
sudden cedar
Nice. I guess.
robust basin
Fine... Don't use it 😭
sudden cedar
looking at my overflowing storage
robust basin
Im still a broke mf. I need to pinch every plasteelic penny.
unreal forge
well actually maybe this, with tac axe
I'd pick the +25 toughness over that rending on crit talent on the right side
if I were u
also you could get that sweet -.25s stamina regen delay instead of TDR and it'd make you even better in melee offensive
I've been trying Vet with .5s stamina delay and it's cool
unreal forge
truth bomb
pallid jetty
that build that i posted was from like half a year ago
maybe more
most like more
definitely more
unreal forge
nothing's changed
grand perch
I'd pick the +25 toughness over that rending on crit talent on the right side
not with tac axe, with taxe its decent
steep flower
Hey guys, I made a quick reference chart for Empowerment Cost to get weapons to ...
Goated 
mighty willow
Step 1: Make a Zealot
Vet is mostly ranged weapon based. A lot of his keystones work around helping him shoot more, WS is one of the few that helps him bonk more
tribal tangle
still too narrow, should have a better and less narrow branch for melee, and zealot should have some things dedicated to range
mighty willow
I agree 100%, unfortunately, i can't do jackshit besides pray for a rework of both
They really need it
tame lodge
still too narrow, should have a better and less narrow branch for melee, and zea...
Zealot already has
Duelist
Anoint
Dance
IJ
tribal tangle
yes, but still narrow, and kinda booty except for a few
tame lodge
Ambuscade
tribal tangle
hopefully they have vet and zealot rework in the pipeline
tame lodge
Vet rework but they give him 500% tax nodes
tribal tangle
vet rework but survivalist takes ammo away
sudden cedar
vet rework but they reduce their life expectancy to be more in line with how it would be in 40K.
round flint
Vet dying on the drop ship in every match would be amusing
dense belfry
vet rework but they reduce their life expectancy to be more in line with how it ...
So we die when we get hit?
barren cave
There any reward for the new event?
ocean swallow
portrait and the usual dockets, plasteel, dia
faint beacon
Vet rework but they give him 500% tax nodes
*1000%
grand perch
vet gets 1 talent point and the only choice is between 3 +suppression nodes
take it or leave it
faint beacon
we also made more enemies immune to suppression
seeing it was a problematic mechanic
tame lodge
And 10% toughness regen but coherency only
faint beacon
5% Damage increase if allies are within coherency
grand perch
but its bugged and only applies to grenades
tame lodge
0.3% increase in damage against enemies that are 50 meters away
faint beacon
only 50ms
terse gate
If im using the laz pistol on guard should it be the heavier version or the faster verson
Im assuming heavier:?
barren cave
What perks and blessings?
tame lodge
Mk3 Surgical + Weight of Fire/Hotshot (tier 1)/Falter
barren cave
Ok
tame lodge
The recent buffs changed some perks
I will not fully remember right now
But I think maniacs was involved
grand perch
helbore maniac damage got majorly buffed
barren cave
What's the difference in 3 or 4 helbore
tall torrent
helbore maniac damage got majorly buffed
still wants maniac perk
tame lodge
What's the difference in 3 or 4 helbore
3 is the all arounder
Decent charge speed, good bayonet
Mk4 is the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game so far, slower charge, worse bayonet
hybrid plover
You want to be as consistent as possible against specialists for Helbore.
tame lodge
Mk5 deals less damage, but charges the fastest, good bayonet
hybrid plover
It does good carapace and unyielding as is. And the only thing it really lacks against inherently is flak compared to unarmored
So flak + maniacs still ends up being the go tos for perk choice.
austere mica
Yes
quick burrow
help me brothers how do i play helbore and i assume plasma build doesnt matter as much >?
also whats the dump on plasma since i dont see anyhting about that in the pins
(and helbore)
tame lodge
@tired egret
barren cave
Mk13 assault chainsword is the best mark for it right
Also is dump Stat on chain axe mobility or def
quick burrow
thanks perf lol
hollow ibex
also whats the dump on plasma since i dont see anyhting about that in the pins
@tired egret
tame lodge
Oh and on the Helbore the dump is stability
quick burrow
for all mks ?
tame lodge
Yeah
quick burrow
thx il aim for one
barren cave
Is dump Stat on chain axe mob or def
quick burrow
i seen teh convo earlier about the mk3 so il try that one out
tame lodge
Is dump Stat on chain axe mob or def
Defenses
It just push attack cost
barren cave
Ok ty
barren cave
What ability modifiers do you take for infiltrate
Also I got a plasma gun with 60% charge rate, that's good right?
quick burrow
they told me earlier u want 71% charge rate and 69 thermal
tame lodge
Also I got a plasma gun with 60% charge rate, that's good right?
It's usable
You don't shoot as fast but you have 8 shots because of high thermal
hollow ibex
What ability modifiers do you take for infiltrate
None or one of the left hand side ones
Some people really like double charge but I personally hate it
tame lodge
Semi auto (7) is the reliable 1 shot
Once you have it properly built
3 and 9 recoil is a bit
Too much
barren cave
Yeah I'm using that, graia
unreal forge
playing exestance for the auric event and this might be the most boring thing ever
round flint
The description sounded like the buffed enemies would either be effectively the same, or they would basically be mini monstrosities.
unreal bone
Brother
havoc mode is so ass sometimes
Archivum Sycorax > Enter Airlock Door > Airlock Door Opens to New Zone
Game casts 5 fucking bosses on the same trigger
What do you even do there (I killed them all but jesus fucking christ bro)
Admonition Champion, Karnak Twins, Beast of Nurgle, Hexbound Daemonhost, and a Horde on a tiny ass bridge
faint beacon
Which mark is best
Best to worst
Graia -> Agri -> Column
Agri is fun if you enjoy Burst rifles but dont even bother with Column its- really bad
hollow ibex
I can’t stand Graia with the servers
little path
I wish the autoguns had blessings that gave special rounds
Like you take a blessing that changes all ammo to incendiary rounds that deal less damage but stacks a shit load of burn
Or you could take ap rounds with reduced finesse but increased base
Or gas rounds to do horde clear
hollow ibex
Or gas rounds to do horde clear
I want gas grenades. I want heretics to feel the pain and suffering of being on the receiving end of tox bombers
hearty panther
But then what about the Psykers
compact oracle
livid hill
is there any lore precedence for commissars/IG commanders using chainaxes?
i really like the chainaxe
round flint
A famous commissar used and Ork powerklaw, I'm sure plenty have used chain axes
sonic kayak
is there any lore precedence for commissars/IG commanders using chainaxes?
Chainaxes are considered more "barbaric" due to their association with the World Eaters specifically; Loyalists still use them but not to the same extent as Chaos
quartz adder
is there any lore precedence for commissars/IG commanders using chainaxes?
absolutely
sonic kayak
As for actually using the chainaxe, don't remember if the rules allow them to use them?
quartz adder
commissars have access to the entire armory
sonic kayak
ah
sonic kayak
They are above the law but not The Law
quartz adder
so any minor law can be broken
quartz adder
They are above the law but not The Law
No, only the inquisition is above the law agents of the imperium are the law
arctic rampart
If that was true how do you explain the cosmetic shop? Obese tuna is above the law!
little path
In universe it could just be explained as knock offs
livid hill
why is stealth so like. bad. Im not asking from a game design perspective just like, everyone tells me it sucks and is never usable
little path
Like finding a Gucci bag called guchi
little path
why is stealth so like. bad. Im not asking from a game design perspective just l...
It's not bad, just not as good as the others
arctic rampart
I think its more that the other choices are overwhelmingly better
I've never seen a vet use it well but I've seen zealots do it well back in the day
livid hill
aight
little path
Stealh grants a one time big hit but the guns he has access to don't do the same massive hit that zealot weapons can
At least not usually
Helbore, plasma and revolver can but relying on Crits, headshots and charging the gun isn't great
livid hill
hey ik i post my builds here a lot but i'd like some thoughts on my new one i've been using
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f787e95-86c1-45bf-8501-a9e4e8e743eb
little path
Also the plasma gun has better sustained DPS making charged shots just not as good
That's a fine build
Pretty standard
little path
Basically the only things that aren't meta is like
livid hill
usually when i post my builds here there's some very obvious flaws I didn't notice
little path
Exec stance and the increased ally revive speed
livid hill
exec stance is fun and revive speed is me being sad I can't always revive my team
revive speed lets me do that in more circumstances
livid hill
true
little path
But the meta choice would be taking "bring it down" over the revive speed in the middle tree
livid hill
i dont like having two weapons with poor mobility. I run relic on zealot but with revolver bc I tried with bolter and it was just too cumbersome
livid hill
But the meta choice would be taking "bring it down" over the revive speed in the...
i could, i'll look into it
little path
It's fine to not
livid hill
yee
little path
Boosts damage against ogryns and monsters which the plasma gun likes but not taking it isn't going to break the build
I mostly stopped playing havoc and just run fun off meta builds now
My two favourite rn is chainaxe laspistol and using the middle keystone and team buffing talents to be squad commisar
And knife, revolver, bleed and stealth to pretend to be a catachan
Or shotgun. The agrapinaa shotgun is very strong now
livid hill
I mostly stopped playing havoc and just run fun off meta builds now
nice!
livid hill
My two favourite rn is chainaxe laspistol and using the middle keystone and team...
based
calm shard
What do you even do there (I killed them all but jesus fucking christ bro)
well that
you kill them all
Damn I kinda like Mk IV tac axe
Shame it's almost certainly the bad one
calm shard
I like the vibes from the heavies
tame lodge
Well the good news is that those heavies are just 100 damage away from Bruiser breakpoints
And that was without proper +melee buffs
And if you CRIT you kill the bruiser
calm shard
Well the good news is that those heavies are just 100 damage away from Bruiser b...
but I'm using tac axe on gun vet
I don't have melee buffs
livid hill
What do you even do there (I killed them all but jesus fucking christ bro)
have good teamwork imo
steep flower
i dont like having two weapons with poor mobility. I run relic on zealot but wit...
Good thinking
livid hill
my thinking always makes sense to me :)
frigid shuttle
i dont like having two weapons with poor mobility. I run relic on zealot but wit...
have you tried agrippa combat shotgun?
It's 
frigid shuttle
i could
if you really want mobility, you can dumpstat stab on it as well, you can still ads snipe at absurd range
marble mantle
Hey dorks
Is there a voc weapon specialist build that someone can slide my way? Trynna set up my other classes so I can play em if I so choose
Probably gonna use power sword ? Idk
little path
Hey dorks
Is there a voc weapon specialist build that someone can slide my way? ...
voc?
hollow ibex
Hey dorks
Is there a voc weapon specialist build that someone can slide my way? ...
standard voc WS build
marble mantle
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f1c57f4-d600-4673-9d86-d7895f39af23/fr...
Thanks a bunch gng
gleaming rose
Why do yall like play veteran
hollow ibex
gleaming rose
What’s fun about veteran
Like what do yall even do
Yall seem to always phase out ingame and re appear in the end screen
tall torrent
Like what do yall even do
calm shard
Like what do yall even do
If you ever see me playing vet in game my vet's name will be a constant presence in the top left of the screen 👍
tame lodge
Like what do yall even do
gleaming rose
So vets are a long to mid pick class that can cosplay as a discount zealot
pseudo fiber
I play Vet to play CS Surf
little path
I play Vet to play CS Surf
wtf
calm shard
So vets are a long to mid pick class that can cosplay as a discount zealot
zealot with worse melee but vastly better team support abilities
(and better grenades)
and better guns
little path
and also funni
pseudo fiber
Funnier tho
tame lodge
So vets are a long to mid pick class that can cosplay as a discount zealot
On certain builds you can have higher melee burst than most of zellys melee
livid hill
how do you judge distances when your fov is so huge
livid hill
oh also much squishier
vet is the team pet. or was until arby came along.
calm shard
On certain builds you can have higher melee burst than most of zellys melee
FOTF relic blade tho
little path
how do you judge distances when your fov is so huge
How to judge distance: Don't
just shoot that bitch
tame lodge
FOTF relic blade tho
Psword 6 activate push attack
But yeah
Notice that I said
Most
calm shard
I do have higher melee burst than zealots with my gun though
tame lodge
tall torrent
how do you judge distances when your fov is so huge
why do I need to judge distances
unreal forge
On certain builds you can have higher melee burst than most of zellys melee
I just don't think Vet can beat FOTF, Duelist and permanent >30% crits
also way better stamina
tacit sonnet
no for hitting things
exactly the same way you would with literally any fov number
quick burrow
wat is this
atomic void
Hax
unreal forge
Yall seem to always phase out ingame and re appear in the end screen
it's easy to forget a Vet exists cuz the playstyle revolves around standing behind your teammates
and with the way VoC has such a low cd the shout just becomes background noise
hollow ibex
wat is this
banned for exploits
fervent citrus
yall said the mark 2 laspistol was the best right
narrow widget
Like what do yall even do
FIIIIIGHT OR ANSWER TO ME
(kill a few specials)
PUT THE KARKIN BOOT IN
(kill a few specials)
HAMMER OF THE EMPEROR
quick burrow
dont ask me how its like that it just appears like that now
ammo didnt change though so dont think the 80-100 means anything
little path
common bug
quick burrow
first time i got it lol
inland eagle
is it important for my friend to finish the campaign?
narrow widget
wat is this
I think it's mark specific
I've had it happen a few times on specifically agri revolver but switching to zarona fixes it
inland eagle
cuz idk what the point of it is i havent done it in a few years
livid hill
wat is this
one shot, one kill
narrow widget
it's just a visual bug tho
quick burrow
hows the stat spread on this one
livid hill
it's just a visual bug tho
i know i know, but you kno what isnt? me.
im an internal bug
little path
hows the stat spread on this one
not great
quick burrow
dernit
narrow widget
hows the stat spread on this one
look for 70/70 thermal/charge rate
little path
getting that "perfect" plasma is a pain in the ass
quick burrow
i dont even know a plasma build and its one of the last guns i need to mastery
narrow widget
68/72 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
little path
it's not 70/70, it's 69 therm and 71 charge
narrow widget
oh shit it's 69/71?
hollow ibex
@tired egret
barren cave
ive just been using 60% charge rate , rest 80% plasma
little path
yeah, I have a 68, 72
has some weird shit to do with how the plasma gun works in general
a 69% thermal grants 8 shots uncharged
barren cave
doesnt ripper gun have a really specific ideal stat spread too
little path
and 71% charge gives the fastest fire rate for those 8 shots
people use the ripper gun?
hollow ibex
doesnt ripper gun have a really specific ideal stat spread too
yeah
little path
but yeah. I have a 68thermal 72charge
little path
that 68% thermal means I only get 7 shots before it reaches max heat
that single % gives a whole ass extra shot
quick burrow
what kind of builds do you guys run with plasma some kind of shout focus target build ?
narrow widget
what kind of builds do you guys run with plasma some kind of shout focus target ...
plas benefits most from ws
little path
just generic shout vet
hollow ibex
plas benefits most from ws
ehhhh
narrow widget
you just keep activating the reload node and never manually reload
little path
What's the meta helbore mk
inland eagle
anyone have issue with disconnects
little path
i've been using the mk3a
hollow ibex
3 or 4
tame lodge
3 or 4
uneven cedar
4 does more damage right?
little path
ye
it goes mk4, mk3a, mk5 highest to lowest
which i hate
why not just 3 4 5
or 5 4 3
uneven cedar
The bayonet attack on 4 is so goofy.
quick burrow
something like this ?
little path
yeah
hollow ibex
for plasma? drop always prepared
narrow widget
something like this ?
is this for plas
narrow widget
why do you need determined
little path
oh also drop determined
narrow widget
quick burrow
didnt some guy say the ammo restore from reserves was really good ?
austere mica
you have a 45 round magazine
little path
permanent 30% increase to heads for all weapons vs not losing accuracy for a gun with permanent perfect accuracy
hollow ibex
didnt some guy say the ammo restore from reserves was really good ?
you reload like 3 times a round lol
quick burrow
i could be determined to be dumb though
should i take rending or comp urge or something instead ?
narrow widget
you reload like 3 times a round lol
I like being topped off tho 
hollow ibex
i don't think it's worth a point given how big the mag is
little path
Rending or demo team
hollow ibex
and the fact that the reload really isn't even bad with the super easy reload cancel
hollow ibex
marksman or cqkz
little path
oh right
hollow ibex
or demo team is fine too
little path
marksman is directly better than cqkz isn't it?
becaue it grants strength or something
little path
ye that works
tall torrent
that 68% thermal means I only get 7 shots before it reaches max heat
it's 68.?% and idk what decimal it is
so the safe pick is 69% thermal
little path
that's the hyper meta settup
little path
it's 68.?% and idk what decimal it is
so the safe pick is 69% thermal
yeah. I hate hidden decimals
quick burrow
thanks guys!
little path
love that some 17% toughness curios are a lie
or is it all of them?
i don't remember
tall torrent
so this instead ?
what's this for
hollow ibex
love that some 17% toughness curios are a lie
that's only stam curios afaik
quick burrow
plasma
quick burrow
one of the last guns i need to mastery and i dont really run it even though i hate crushder hordes
little path
double nades?
tall torrent
double nades?
one of the best talents for havoc
hollow ibex
path likes gambling
narrow widget
moar booms
little path
I wish it was like
guarantees two nades
with a 30% chance to only consume one
or maybe 70%
tame lodge
arctic rampart
its kind of a you choice, best is relative
arctic rampart
personally I like 1 +3 stam, 2 +17% toughness
tawny timber
What's the basic curio settup?
+1 wound +1 wound +1 wound
little path
arctic rampart
😄 try them all and decide for yourself
little path
testing things and finding what I like is for losers
arctic rampart
dont get more than 1 sprint speed though since they are multiplicative (worse) with more than 1
little path
gimme easy to digest info that I don't need to think about
tawny timber
who do I believe
I once watched a tanner video where he said gunner resistance is useless. I listened to him and spent a week dying to gunners until I realized I needed gunner resistance
little path
tall torrent
dont get more than 1 sprint speed though since they are multiplicative (worse) w...
no
arctic rampart
what did they change it?!
arctic rampart
ok thnx for correcting me, I must be confusing it with something else
little path
so what do I run
calm shard
instead of cooldown regen
little path
I've been running 3 toughness
hollow ibex
I once watched a tanner video where he said gunner resistance is useless. I list...
tanner spreading fake news from the grave 😭
calm shard
because g o d veteran's stamina economy hurts
little path
but I wanna change that up to goof around with exec and deadshot
arctic rampart
run 3x stam regen for sure
tall torrent
run 3x stam regen for sure
Also no
tawny timber
tanner spreading fake news from the grave 😭
theres no reason you cant just always be sliding 🧠
tall torrent
Cuz vet’s stam regen delay so bad u don’t get as much value out of it
arctic rampart
tall torrent
What are u running rn
little path
3 tough
tall torrent
As in
3x +17% toughness?
little path
ye
tall torrent
Or what
little path
well one is 16
tall torrent
I personally think at least 1 health curio is good
little path
so 1 sprint 1 health 1 tough?
tall torrent
What’s “1 sprint”
little path
sprint cost
arctic rampart
sprint efficiency is a minor trait
little path
o
calm shard
There’s no sprint cost curio
imagine if every stat on curios had a full curio stat
+30% xp curio
you'd be devastated
little path
mgod I need more dockets
tall torrent
Tbh
If u want extra stamina
U don’t rly need sprint efficiency
Since 3x sprint efficiency is usually just a little better than +3 stamina in terms of total traversal distance
And losing that 1 toughness curio can be pretty easily made up by running 3x toughness curio perks
15% vs 17% is like barely any difference lol
Sprint efficiency is nice because ur stam regen is not good
So whatever stam u do get is made higher value for sprinting
calm shard
So what curio setup do you run?
dense belfry
I just run what I have.
tall torrent
I don’t run 3/3/3
dense belfry
I'm broke
tall torrent
I run 3/2/2/2
calm shard
For what mode
Havocs because I am too lazy to switch curios per game mode
dense belfry
Question: if i have a melee build, do I run Bolt pistol?
Not like a lasgun's doing me any favors.
little path
are you asking about the meta option?
calm shard
Question: if i have a melee build, do I run Bolt pistol?
You run bolt pistol for better grenades
tall torrent
Havocs because I am too lazy to switch curios per game mode
U can prob run
Health / toughness / stamina
Then perks kinda up to u?
dense belfry
You run bolt pistol for better grenades
Bolter are just grenade launchers with extra steps...
tall torrent
CDR is good
little path
So what's the reason for heath curios
tall torrent
Kinda up to u tho
calm shard
Yeah but I primarily play deadshot exe stance with a Helbore
dense belfry
Question: if i have a melee build, do I run Bolt pistol?
Collateral is 60, rest is 80
little path
oh wait nvm I think that's explained in the guide
calm shard
Because I hate being efficient
tall torrent
So what's the reason for heath curios
Without any health boost, u die to a single burster on h40
I don’t mean down
dense belfry
What does?
little path
most of the time bursters fuck me because of teammates pushing them at weird angles
and most of my health is gone
tall torrent
Yeah but I primarily play deadshot exe stance with a Helbore
Uh
Health / toughness / stamina
Gunner x2
CDR x2
Corruption or health x2
Toughness x3
Is prob how I’d run it
This is what I mean by 3/2/2/2 split
calm shard
both corruption and health contribute to the "I don't want to die to one poxburster" bit huh
tall torrent
Ya
hollow ibex
Uh
Health / toughness / stamina
Gunner x2
CDR x2
Corruption or health x2
Tough...
you stopped running ordos? smh
tall torrent
Corruption prob a bit better for h40?
calm shard
I fucking hate tox bombers so I'll prob run corruption instead
tall torrent
you stopped running ordos? smh
This for havoc
faint beacon
I'll be honest from experience the biggest threats you'll run into on H40 are going to be the Carapace waves and Bosses
tall torrent
I fucking ***hate*** tox bombers so I'll prob run corruption instead
U can even run bomber resist tbh
calm shard
I am debating on if I am suicidal enough to run 2 stam instead of a toughness curio
faint beacon
especially Rodin/Rinda
thats usually what nukes a veteran if a team doesn't coordinate
hollow ibex
This for havoc
oh i only have one set of curios lol
calm shard
I am already kind of accustomed to dying to anything breathing on me
But I don't have psyker magic that makes bullets phase through me
dense belfry
Question: if i have a melee build, do I run Bolt pistol?
Still would like an answer for this one.
tall torrent
Corruption is nice for inevitably having to walk through BoN trail
Or getting pounced by smth
calm shard
Yeah
little path
Still would like an answer for this one.
I mean like... if you want
calm shard
That has actually been a substantial contributor to my deaths these days
faint beacon
Corruption is nice for inevitably having to walk through BoN trail
If they add the event maybe
though the rotting armor isn't that bad
little path
are you asking specifically for the hyper meta option or are you just asking if you can run a bolt pistol?
calm shard
Or just outright dying because 4 poxwalkers spawned out of a door behind me and instantly melee me before I can react
dense belfry
are you asking specifically for the hyper meta option or are you just asking if ...
Just wondering if it's shit, really.
tall torrent
Bomber resist is kinda ok? Cuz tox bomber op
little path
bistol is good
calm shard
tox bombers being so busted they make bomber resist a valid curio trait xd
tall torrent
Question: if i have a melee build, do I run Bolt pistol?
Sure, why not
calm shard
hate those fucking enemies
dense belfry
boosts your nades, does okay damage
Blessing?
little path
the one that gives bleed and increases explosion AOE
little path
don't remeber what they're called off the top of my head
dense belfry
Unarmored
Maniac
Puncture
Lethal prox / run&gun
So, yes?
faint beacon
tox bombers being so busted they make bomber resist a valid curio trait xd
its less the Singular one its more the
calm shard
8 of them spawning at once on H40
Man even singular ones are aids
And they're so fucking quiet
dense belfry
Yes to what
Is it a blessing that increases made damage?
tall torrent
Is it a blessing that increases made damage?
None of them increase nade damage
Lethal prox increases explosion radius
atomic void
Tox bomber is quiet? Bro doesn't stop speaking nurglese
faint beacon
I love not being able to hold my position for more than 2 seconds
tall torrent
Which allows ur grenade explosions to hit more stuff
tall torrent
I love not being able to hold my position for more than 2 seconds
Btw
Idk if u read but I posted my thoughts on helbore vs plasma for vet rn
dense belfry
Tox bomber is quiet? Bro doesn't stop speaking nurglese
Nurglese nuts.
atomic void
Gottem
tall torrent
TLDR is
I think helbore is at best equal to plasma and which one being better ultimately comes down to what ur team is running
faint beacon
Btw
Idk if u read but I posted my thoughts on helbore vs plasma for vet rn
Is that in regards to H40
tall torrent
Is that in regards to H40
Ya
faint beacon
cause I can agree Helby is a more passive Plasma
tall torrent
Helbore is like
dense belfry
Lethal prox increases explosion radius
I see.
tall torrent
Ur speed at transitioning between melee and ranged is gonna be slow
It’s just how it is
It’s slow for shooting on demand
faint beacon
But no I'll agree Plasma and Helby are kinda neck and neck at a solid place in H40 Vet meta
faint beacon
Just different playstyles
faint beacon
Its fucking incredibly helpful
tall torrent
Is kinda pointless if ur team is running melee heavy comp + psyker
dense belfry
It’s slow for shooting on demand
So is there a better "special killer" than Bistol?
tall torrent
Like if u have pickaxe ogryn with an arb running boltpistol, plus a psyker
It’s irrelevant
faint beacon
but that really isn't common
tall torrent
But if ur team has a bunch of low ammo specialty weapons
Then helbore enables them a lot
calm shard
Is kinda pointless if ur team is running melee heavy comp + psyker
Yeah I usually just swap build to bolter in that situation
tall torrent
Whereas plasma is way way way more versatile even tho it wants way more ammo
calm shard
Much better boss damage and better for my aching stamina bar
tall torrent
Plasma also does suppression
faint beacon
Bolter is a less, plasma but it still does its job very very well in H40
tall torrent
Helbore does nada
calm shard
Plasma also does suppression
This is almost a positive for me
Suppression makes enemies fidgety and harder to hit
dense belfry
This is ***almost*** a positive for me
Those fucking gunners tho.
faint beacon
if its one enemy thats fidgets around
calm shard
But it is also unbelievably aids to shoot at 4 gunners only for the stalker standing in a corner next to them to just
faint beacon
drives me up a wall
tall torrent
Also I changed plasma build
calm shard
rip me apart
dense belfry
BASTARDS.
tall torrent
Unarmored + maniac now
dense belfry
I hate the gunners
calm shard
Because I didn't see them on exe
tall torrent
Maniac gives u flamer 1 crit headshot with easy-to-access buffs up
Plasma is kinda weird in role now cuz it’s kinda like
faint beacon
Because I didn't see them on exe
Honestly backline Helby 4 Estance I just dedicate myself solely to focusing only ranged units
faint beacon
so we dont get ripped to shreds by Stalker packs
dense belfry
Now I'm questioning if plasma is good for killing elites.
dense belfry
Moreover than BP?
calm shard
Honestly backline Helby 4 Estance I just dedicate myself solely to focusing only...
Yeah I'll throw a shredder or 2 at the horde, but like
little path
even then it still does good damage against them
tall torrent
Moreover than BP?
Easily lol
calm shard
I am killing every gunner in the next room while I have the space to
faint beacon
Plasma is one of Vets best picks to a point a majority of the community wants it nerfed
thats how good it is
tall torrent
Plasma is one of Vets best picks to a point a majority of the community wants it...
I actually only want cleave nerf for left click now
No damage nerf
Damage is fine
faint beacon
@tall torrent Anyways you try the event yet
tall torrent
Buff charge shot damage
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> Anyways you try the event yet
Yea
faint beacon
I mean yeah I kinda want M2 to have a risky
tall torrent
I had a duo with yam
little path
They did say they're looking to rework the charged shot damage
faint beacon
but incredibly rewarding
tall torrent
Got a 5 min clutch clip lol
faint beacon
playstyle loop to it
little path
but it's fatshark so that oculd be december
tall torrent
I'll return when I get a good PG after a grind.
That’ll likely be like a few hundred hrs from now
Cuz plasma is straight up the hardest weapon to perfect roll in this game
atomic void
Got a 5 min clutch clip lol
Post 
faint beacon
The visual flashbang from the effects hide overheads
faint beacon
and that is what 90% of the time gets me killed
tall torrent
Post <:ArbiGooo:1386403868392292436>
Do I rly wanna boot up pc rn and post
atomic void
Do I rly wanna boot up pc rn and post
No pressure
dense belfry
I fucking love sleep!
tall torrent
and that is what 90% of the time gets me killed
Also I made a weird beast master build with tac axe and boltgun
faint beacon
Taxe is pretty fucking crazy on arby
dense belfry
Taxe is pretty fucking crazy on arby
TW is good with a Braced autogun.
tall torrent
No need for push cleave when it has CDDC anyway
No need for concussive when it staggers anyway
dense belfry
But I'll save it for Arbites chat.
faint beacon
I keep forgetting
tall torrent
TW is good with a Braced autogun.
Terminus Warrant is the worst keystone in the game bar none
faint beacon
there's a cream colored snow hound uniform in rotation
tall torrent
I actually think even marksman’s focus is better than terminus
faint beacon
there's a cream colored snow hound uniform in rotation
This shit
dense belfry
Terminus Warrant is the worst keystone in the game bar none
It works with the Dakka, trust me.
Graia Braced ROCKS with it.
calm shard
This shit
I do like the color scheme but I don't like the outfit design on the classes I play xd
tawny timber
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kL4kpY46x73iLpFuk?invite=c...
skissue moment
faint beacon
I do like the color scheme but I don't like the outfit design on the classes I p...
How I feel
half path
I actually think even marksman’s focus is better than terminus
mmf works pretty well with the helbore changes if you hadnt tried it
faint beacon
I like cream colored outfits but like
yeah I dont ever see myself using these
Psyker helm
MAYBE
faint beacon
but everything else no
calm shard
I would get the zealot one because I like the zealot guard uniforms but I uh don't play zealot
dense belfry
WHITE SCARS LOOKING ASS!
tawny timber
i bought the psyker fit but i feel like you cant mix it with anything
tall torrent
mmf works pretty well with the helbore changes if you hadnt tried it
It’s kinda not super relevant on its own
Like the damage bonus is not so high that it changes it that much, just a win-more situation
faint beacon
Its actually different from the Snowhound version
kinda
just different color regions
hollow ibex
Its actually different from the Snowhound version
kinda ugly
tall torrent
I like cream colored outfits but like
I switched to Stygian armor and inquisitor pants
drip
dense belfry
So, when's krieger drip coming back?
I have had these aquilas since the game came to xbox.
hollow ibex
gonna be a while
tall torrent
When are they adding tallaran or whatever skins
Psyker rework (after Vet 5th rework where they’ll finally make peril interesting)
atomic void
Not anytime soon, they had these recently
faint beacon
Psyker rework (after Vet 5th rework where they’ll finally make peril interesting...
Upcoming 6th vet rework
livid hill
thoughts on reconlas + exec stance? personally I love it
calm shard
thoughts on reconlas + exec stance? personally I love it
I don't really see the point with recon las tbqh
little path
Fun
tall torrent
Upcoming 6th vet rework
Vet’s tree’s problems actually mostly go away if he was a lv40 character like think about it
calm shard
It's fun sure, but it doesn't really benefit from it
livid hill
I don't really see the point with recon las tbqh
lil more damage + you can see the enemies
dense belfry
Why is the recon lasgun a bullpup?
calm shard
Right but for the usual exe stance suspects they get a lot more damage
faint beacon
Vet’s tree’s problems actually mostly go away if he was a lv40 character like th...
Literally just implement the tax nodes into the base kit holy
LMAO
calm shard
Why is the recon lasgun a bullpup?
It's meant for use by paratroopers
bullpups are shorter than standard rifles
so they fit in the kit easier
livid hill
also spread is really bad on the torrent lasgun
dense belfry
It's meant for use by paratroopers
The guard has paratroopers?
livid hill
and exec fixes that
atomic void
Literally just implement the tax nodes into the base kit holy
No u can aim from cover that's op
tall torrent
Literally just implement the tax nodes into the base kit holy
Unironically if u add all those 10 talents in that pic then vet gets ~equal damage as arb
tall torrent
Marksman + CQKZ + BiD + AE + 10% melee damage
tall torrent
Casually 104% more damage
half path
i think peril should summon 18 plague bearers who kill you for playing psyker
frigid shuttle
also grav-chutes are a thing
dense belfry
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tahnelian_Airbourne
Right. Should have expected they have a regiment for that.
frigid shuttle
i think peril should summon 18 plague bearers who kill you for playing psyker
how'd you complete h40 then?
unreal forge
I'd rather have every class on my team before a Psyker somehow
don't like bubble, think it's overrated. Inferno staff is the good stuff but that's it
tall torrent
<:pikathink:842881846017916938>
Current design is all about edging peril which is just boring
There should be diff bonuses for being at low vs high peril
Low peril = better defences and toughness gain
High peril = more damage but worse defences
faint beacon
if you need a psyker to complete havoc 40 go back to heresy
*Sedition
livid hill
and exec fixes that
also with weapons specialist I can go from shovel to spraying a very thin line of lasers very quickly
spice shard
That’s not in the game anymore
1984
Any penance mentioning sedition is now unachievable
half path
Current design is all about edging peril which is just boring
There should be d...
defences in this regard would need to just be melee damage cause a few loose bullets already turn you into a floor mat on psyker at high havoc
faint beacon
That’s not in the game anymore
Exactly
unreal forge
Current design is all about edging peril which is just boring
There should be d...
the fact none of the keystones explore peril is insane
little path
but I think that got lost in translation
unreal forge
It would be cool if there was a way to pick and choose what bonuses you get for low or high peril, but rn you literally only ever get bonuses for being at high peril
tall torrent
defences in this regard would need to just be melee damage cause a few loose bul...
Nah
Better TDR at lower peril, instead of higher peril
Better toughness gain modifier at lower peril
Better dodge distance at lower peril
Stuff like that
half path
a corruption damage multiplier could be interesting
pov high peril psyker instantly melts to burgle vomit
:3
calm shard
pov high peril psyker instantly melts to burgle vomit
step on burgle trail instantly die
tall torrent
Nah
Better TDR at lower peril, instead of higher peril
Better toughness gain mod...
Versus high peril where u get more damage but u have negative TDR (u take more toughness damage than normal)
calm shard
Versus high peril where u get more damage but u have negative TDR (u take more t...
I LIKE where this is going
tall torrent
It needs to have a trade off in making the decision on peril interesting
unreal forge
meh, it's fine the way it is
calm shard
and then I can use SG to LOCK MYSELF at high peril
excellent yes yes
feedback loop of more damage giving me more damage
tall torrent
Current implementation is just boring
unreal forge
that's just what you think
half path
i just wish we got more of the perils of the warp triggers than just exploding
things like slow movement speed, summoning demons, falling over, terrible aim, becoming blind
calm shard
i just wish we got more of the perils of the warp triggers than just exploding
daemonhost spawns out of nowhere and murders you
unreal forge
FS could do a way better tree for Psyker with their design knowledge now
Wonder how cool that'd be
little path
I think one of the problems of going for a low peril = higher defense design
is that uuuuh
people don't care and still just want the higher damage
tall torrent
people don't care and still just want the higher damage
This kinda falls flat when BCOB is a thing
U can quite literally kill too well that u don’t get enough peril to get the damage buffs u want
Like, what
little path
bcob?
tall torrent
By crack of bone
tall torrent
Also the loss peril on ranged non-warp crit
Both are just
Way lower peril outside of SG activation
U actually lower ur own damage because they keep ur peril down because u kill too well
Very good design FatShark
And psyker had been having issues with melee toughness sustain since pretty much forever
hollow ibex
tfw they buffed bcob so much
that it became a nerf
the woes of being fatshart's favorite child
tame lodge
tall torrent
Psyker is by far the worst designed class and it’s all fundamentals
Vet and zealot just have bad tree designs
Almost everything about psyker is off
tawny timber
psyker rn 😀
little path
honestly my theory is that
tame lodge
little path
they for some reason didn't expect people to mix and match talents
they for some reason expected people to fully commit to left, right and middle with only minor pathing into other sides
tall torrent
Higher peril = better cleave = kill horde better = BCOB works better = lower peril
Like
What
livid hill
and exec fixes that
also! reconlas has a fairly long swap time. not as long as like, the bolter, but not insignificant
tall torrent
Higher peril = better cleave = kill horde better = BCOB works better = lower per...
This is not positive feedback lol
little path
They could rework it to hault peril gen for like 2 seconds
tall torrent
The design is just off
tawny timber
They could rework it to hault peril gen for like 2 seconds
synergy with assail would be bonklers
little path
crack of bone only applies to melee
tawny timber
still
half path
little path
make it a low number, done
tawny timber
then useless
tame lodge
They could rework it to hault peril gen for like 2 seconds
Then it's only usable on Scriers
tawny timber
scriers my beloved
half path
why does my fire text gif that says im madly in love with men no longer work
what in the 1984
tawny timber
LITERALLY 1984
little path
does it super need to work on everything?
tawny timber
well if it only works with scriers thats not ideal
little path
at some point some talents gotta focus on certain build pathing
if the idea is that it makes you lose too much peril, thereby making your melee worse
tawny timber
sure but not one combat ability alone 🦍
little path
could also have it not clear any peril and just massively reduce the gen
but like you said it would make assail synergy very strong
tall torrent
There just needs to be real incentive to be at low peril so the gameplay decision on low vs high peril is there
tawny timber
I currently use bcob with scriers to keep it up for a long ass time while im horde ulching
tall torrent
It could very much be like
tawny timber
perhaps have it freeze peril where it is while in effect
tawny timber
so you cna keep 100% for awhile
tall torrent
Super simple
little path
but wouldn't that still have the problem of now your cleave goes down
and you don't kill as good
so it would constantly bump to 50% then immediately jump back down to 0 from one swing?
frigid shuttle
I currently use bcob with scriers to keep it up for a long ass time while im hor...
bcob with scrier's is 
little path
I'm fine with how it is currently but if the idea is making a choice between low vs high peril it should also consider non melee
dense belfry
Everyone, I have made a theoretically good build!
narrow frost
dense belfry
Build idea: infinite ammo lasgun!
little path
no one say anything. Just let him cook
dense belfry
Abuse crits and weakpoints to maximise damage against enemies.
Role: anti-specials
I haven't tested it out yet.
But when I grind enough I will.
Build can be found here:
little path
looks good man
dense belfry
Seriously?
little path
yeah, looks like it could be interesting
orchid hemlock
https://tenor.com/view/silly-funny-reaction-meme-stan-twt-horse-gif-544526881533...
tropic notch
Build can be found here:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f78e2d9-0748...
Meme build
little path
running like a hybrid build
tropic notch
What da hell
dense belfry
Meme build
Is it good?
tropic notch
Is it good?
I mean it’ll work
dense belfry
Good.
tropic notch
But it’s not the best
dense belfry
It isn't intended for havoc since I can't play it, nor will I.
little path
might I recommend one change though
orchid hemlock
Wounds
Nah this is troll
little path
>Wounds
Nah this is troll
He's new, let him have his fun
dense belfry
He's new, let him have his fun
Returning player since Before rework, but suure.
little path
for this build you might wanna swap these two nodes
hollow ibex
for this build you might wanna swap these two nodes
uhh
sturdy crescent
Spearhead boltgun
tropic notch
for this build you might wanna swap these two nodes
No out for blood or CaB
hollow ibex
ohh boy
little path
recipricocity gives you the 5% crit on every dodge stacking up to 5 times
while that single small node grants just the 5%
orchid hemlock
for this build you might wanna swap these two nodes
Wait he didn't take Reciprocity
I didn't even see it 💀
hollow ibex
reciprocity is a relatively small problem with this build
dense belfry
for this build you might wanna swap these two nodes
Difference being?
little path
25% crit chance vs 5%
hollow ibex
you NEED to go middle bototm
orchid hemlock
reciprocity is a relatively small problem with this build
I think we all just need to go home
tropic notch
I’m ngl if you’re wanting serious feedback you will die a lot with that build
little path
okay yeah ngl it's not great
tropic notch
You will not have fun
little path
you took the medkit boost over free grenades
tropic notch
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build try this
dense belfry
25% crit chance vs 5%
Are you sure?
orchid hemlock
Yeah that build look doodoo I'm sorry
I'm not trying to be mean honest
It just looks like hard coping on trying to get as much crit rate as possible, but by doing it you have no damage and no survivability
little path
literally any dodge counts including dodging guns
and it's very generous on what counts as succesful
dense belfry
you took the medkit boost over free grenades
60 seconds is a long time for krak nades
little path
yeah but 60 seconds for a krak vs only getting them from ammo cases
dense belfry
Yeah that build look doodoo I'm sorry
I'm not trying to be mean honest
It ju...
Shock trooper build.
orchid hemlock
Run whatever you want bubby
This is why I have stopped actually helping people, because I wonder if they actually want the help 😔
dense belfry
It's meant to
dense belfry
This is why I have stopped actually helping people, because I wonder if they act...
Genuinely, please argue.
It helps.
tropic notch
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build for the 3rd time
orchid hemlock
Genuinely, please argue.
Well giving criticism doesn't really help if you just deflect it 💀
Someone told you to take probably one of the most important nodes in the tree for grenades, and you replied with: "60 seconds is too long"
Like I honestly don't know what to say at that point
little path
bro chill, he just needed the reason as to why
dense belfry
Well giving criticism doesn't really help if you just deflect it 💀
If it was deflected "why should I do that?"
tropic notch
Demo team and stock pile are vets best things
dense belfry
Please, explain.
tropic notch
Also you have a lot of wasted nodes at the bottom
little path
well maybe not demo team
tropic notch
well maybe not demo team
little path
very very strong but not the same level of 100% pick
tropic notch
Uhhhh
Yeah I’m done
Think about how many elite and specialist you kill
5% chance to get a nade
little path
I know. In the meta shout vet build you take all those fun nodes
orchid hemlock
bro chill, he just needed the reason as to why
I mean if getting free grenades doesn't pop a light bulb in their head on why that's important, then they probably have never seen a situation where they needed those grenades
little path
but if we're talking about NOT a hyper meta build. Like running exec stance helbore or funny infinite recon it's fine to not take it every time
tropic notch
I see your point actually.
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build try this build, if you’re using shock troopers you don’t need the bottom node on weapon specialist just pick shocktrooper
orchid hemlock
If that's the case, then I feel like the build doesn't matter at that point. Because it's hard to explain why something is important to a build if they are not stressed into playing harder content
dense belfry
I mean if getting free grenades doesn't pop a light bulb in their head on why th...
I'm very conservative with my nades.
little path
If that's the case, then I feel like the build doesn't matter at that point. Bec...
I would say auric is the goal rn for him
not havoc
dense belfry
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/te...
I'll look into it.
little path
he's returning player
dense belfry
Auric was the havoc in my day.
atomic void
You're a vet, spam those kabooms
orchid hemlock
But wasn't that node back then just as important as today? 🤔
I don't think it changed since the talent rework
little path
demo team used to give grenades to everyone on the entire team
tropic notch
But wasn't that node ***back then*** just as important as today? 🤔
They were always important
tropic notch
I’m ngl even when I used to take kraks I still took both demos
little path
now it gives it only to you which is why, while still stupid strong, is less a 100% must pick for every build
would still 100% recommend taking it when possible
but if the choice is like iron will or demo team, I would take iron will
dense belfry
Do I Nix "D&H" for my ability?
little path
huh?
tropic notch
I’m ngl if you wanna have fun on vet atm you gotta build him right
orchid hemlock
I mean I can just give you my recon build to do a TLDR
tropic notch
Do I Nix "D&H" for my ability?
Yes
little path
is that the one that revives teammates?
tropic notch
It’s what gives you golden toughness
little path
nah keep it
dense belfry
is that the one that revives teammates?
Extra toughness
little path
it's what makes shout so strong
tropic notch
Don’t use only in death does duty end
orchid hemlock
This one is specifically for the MXII: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
dense belfry
Don’t use only in death does duty end
Never did, luckily.
little path
wish that revive shout iddn't increase the CDR
dense belfry
Invigorated under WS, keep it?
little path
is this still a shock trooper build?
dense belfry
Yes.
little path
what gun do you plan on running?
dense belfry
what gun do you plan on running?
One of the recon lasguns, but I haven't used them all yet.
Mastery is a bitch for returning players like me
little path
I probably wouldn't take any of the extra keystone stuff
needing to swap to your melee then swap back to your gun for the stamina to feet deadshot would probably be awkward
dense belfry
Even with "one motion"?
little path
I mean give it a try, see if you like it
calm shard
Even with "one motion"?
yeah
barren cave
This one is specifically for the MXII: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/...
im liking this build, only thing id do is take for the emperor over born leader personally, and I wish there was a way to get one more point to get grenadier
little path
you don't need a max mastery to try out talent tree stuff
dense belfry
you don't need a max mastery to try out talent tree stuff
Of course.
But I mean the guns.
barren cave
also if you play on damnation or higher, the mastery levels go up pretty fast
you only need 2 correct blessings, you should have em by mastery level 17 or 16 anyway
dense belfry
I see.
little path
the recon lasguns swap in and out fast
dense belfry
No feedback about the chainsword?
calm shard
No feedback about the chainsword?
my vote for worst melee weapon in the game
dense belfry
The mark IV is good for hordes.
tropic notch
Invigorated under WS, keep it?
Nope
calm shard
Is markedly less dogshit
little path
nah nah, the other one is like halfway okay
yeah that one
perfectly fine for most stuff
tropic notch
No feedback about the chainsword?
One of the worst melee weapons in the game atm
tropic notch
Alright, why?
Out dated
dense belfry
One of the worst melee weapons in the game atm
Really?
tropic notch
Poor adms
calm shard
Alright, why?
Horrible damage into everything that isn't a poxwalker
calm shard
honestly not really anymore
barren cave
doesnt dclaw clear trash faster
dense belfry
Is the meta option that GARBAGE dueling sword?
tall torrent
Fastest is Rashad
tropic notch
If you want melee recommendations everything but chainsword
calm shard
Is the meta option that GARBAGE dueling sword?
It's one of them
power sword is better tbh
little path
yooooo