veteran-class

[deft mulch]

Haven't played Psyker in months

[carmine zealot]

IIRC difficulties up to heresy are not locked at all.

[deft mulch]

they were on my vet

[carmine zealot]

Only Damnation and Auric.

[carmine zealot]

Hmm then I dunno, sorry.

[normal bay]

Maybe they took the info from more recent times

[deft mulch]

could be

[unreal bone]

Welp

Another derank

Thank you heinous rituals

For spawning daemonhosts off in narnia and then glitching them so that they instantly begin ticking up

[carmine zealot]

Sorry to hear that.

[unreal bone]

Bro heinous rituals is so shit

It is the genuine reason I have no hit havoc 40

because I get heinous rituals and I bend over and spread my cheeks

[deft mulch]

play ogryn

bring nuke

greed nades

[unreal bone]

Dude I've played everything it doesn't matter

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower @unreal bone Maybe we could help?

[unreal bone]

The daemonhost is literally

not even in the same zipcode

[unreal bone]

The daemonhost was on 2nd floor Power Matrix nowhere near us

[deft mulch]

ah, nuke probably wouldn't help there

[unreal bone]

Yeah nothing would help there because this modifier is actual dogshit

I had 2 havoc 40 ogryns on my team with pocket nukes, rumblers, and pickaxes

it did not matter if the daemonhost is in a different zipcode

[deft mulch]

what I do is get my entire team to fall back the second that one appears and clear everything out, then push

[unreal bone]

Doesn't matter

[deft mulch]

but if it's bugged that doesn't help

[unreal bone]

Daemon breaks and begins ticking up on it's own

[sudden cedar]

if that would be true, have you thought about to.. wait and nuke the host when it arrives?

[unreal python]

jus slap da ho

[deft mulch]

bring a thunder hammer and just 2 shot it's ass

[unreal bone]

Would except whenever we get a hexbound we also get a normal boss spawn too so we're juggling daemon and other boss.

[sudden cedar]

You don't even need that, just stack debuffs and cc it.

[deft mulch]

I completed a havoc 30 the other day where we killed 3 hexbounds (with captains and monstrosities spawning at the same time)

[unreal bone]

That run was an admonition champion so we couldn't nuke him down fast enough because shield gating.

[sudden cedar]

If the captain has a shotgun and maul, you can ignore him

[unreal bone]

It was plasma and sword so no

[deft mulch]

Chorus zealot is honestly OP for holding bosses back

with 2 of them you can practically infinite stun until it's dead

[unreal bone]

It was a plasma sword admonition champ ontop of a horde with a hexbound we couldn't stop

For the second time

Actually I lied, last time was karnak twins

[deft mulch]

twins make me want to eat a bullet

instant 100% corruption from the mines is so annoying

[unreal bone]

Karnak twins on their own is not a problem

karnak twins stacked with other bosses begins to make them way more annoying

[sudden cedar]

Don't step into the mines?

[unreal bone]

Yeah just avoid the mines, however that becomes difficult if you get a chaos spawn that throws u around

[sudden cedar]

I mean, i know it sounds easy enough, but i just had to put it out there.

[unreal bone]

Actually 2 missions ago I had a chaos spawn that threw our arbitrator into literally a different part of the map lol

Over a wall and into a completely different section of the map

[deft mulch]

lore accurate arbitrator gameplay

[safe kestrel]

The mines start becoming an everywhere problem

[unreal bone]

The mines only become an everywhere problem if the karnak twins spawn with a tidal wave of bullshit

like additional bosses or fat hordes

[safe kestrel]

This is the thing

[carmine zealot]

Happens a lot in Magistrati. Can skip the entire prison cell block that way.

[sonic kayak]

That's why I use smokes

[safe kestrel]

I’ll play that havoc with you if you find a good boss killer to add to the party

Because you need two of both to really keep things on track

Two cc and two boss/bulwark killers

[deft mulch]

I'll hop in with a boss build

[safe kestrel]

I have a meeting so I can’t do it right this second

[deft mulch]

when does it end?

[safe kestrel]

What time zone you in?

[unreal bone]

What the fuck

[deft mulch]

EST

[unreal bone]

The melee karnak twin can instantly kill you in one hit?

[safe kestrel]

At your 12

[unreal bone]

Since when

[safe kestrel]

Yes unfortunately

So can the club boss btw

[unreal bone]

I had full hp, full toughness, and bonus shout toughness with the keystone DR talent

[unreal bone]

she killed me with a dash attack

not an overhead

Instant death

[safe kestrel]

No its the T pose that instant kills you

It seems inconsistent but I happens too

[unreal bone]

I get that I'm telling you she did it with a dash attack

she was beating on the psyker

turned arund dashed to me

instant death

[safe kestrel]

Odd

[unreal bone]

I was just talking about how not a problem karnak twins were

[safe kestrel]

Probably an attack behind it that didn’t visually register but was part of it

[unreal bone]

That wouldn't even do it

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/rinda-darktide-jumpscare-warhammer-40k-gif-13771914461150275398

[sonic kayak]

Were you in the air? They can instant down you

Sorry, I mean "air"

[unreal bone]

I've tanked the full charge swipe from melee karnak twin on my arbite

[unreal bone]

This was just corruption damage lol, I was full everything

[tame lodge]

Are we talking havoc?

[unreal bone]

Yes and it was a basic dash attack

[tame lodge]

Because yes there's a bug about one shots

But mostly associated with shield pulse

[unreal bone]

Full health full toughness with iron will shout

Instantly dead, not downed straight dead

like it was a crusher overhead

[deft mulch]

that sounds like a bug

[unreal bone]

I love this game

small indie company

[deft mulch]

it would be more excusable if this wasn't basically the 3rd game in the series

[steep flower]

Pick me

[deft mulch]

Sounds like we have 4 then

he said he'll be in a meeting until 35 mins from now

[steep flower]

Thats good cause i’m driving home

[serene bough]

lmao

[livid hill]

Anyone got good combos for the first chainsword?

Like horde clear vs mixed horde vs elite

Etc

[serene bough]

the chainsword is not very good you should use other weapon options (idk any combos for them bc I dont use them)

[deft mulch]

https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

this guide has everything

[livid hill]

No offense but that link looks sketchy

[deft mulch]

it's in a pinned comment

[livid hill]

Ohhh i see

Sorry

[tame lodge]

Mk4

[deft mulch]

all good! it does look sketchy

[tame lodge]

Both heavies are 8 cleave

So hordes

[livid hill]

Well i wanna use it for a couple reasons

1. I'm doing a commissar cosplay and i like it more than the power sword

2. BZRRRR-RRRRRRR

[livid hill]

But what about the overhead

[normal bay]

That's just what Onedrive links look like

[tame lodge]

There's an overhead?

[normal bay]

Somehow MS thought that was a good idea

[tame lodge]

This says a lot about my Mk4 usage

However I know that push attack is a stab

.....

I think

[normal bay]

MK4 chainsword exists to deal with trash and suffer

[tame lodge]

Just heavy everything

Because

And that's why

Also

[livid hill]

Never seen one before idk

[livid hill]

Erm its a chain weapon so it'd actually be a PLUNGE CUT 🤓

[tame lodge]

Do you think I know my chainsaws terminology

I know it goes vroom

[livid hill]

I would go full commissar cain but I havent read the books yet all i know is that he uses a laspistol and chainsword from oomfs

[tame lodge]

[livid hill]

Also how do people use heavy attacks for horde clear? I generally only take weapons that have good horde clear on lights only bc i can't reliably charge my heavies fast enough before i get smacked

Ik zealot has anti stun talents so thats different but like how do non zels do it

[livid hill]

Picturing the professional trying to show this to the loose cannon and lc just going "eh too many numbers. Also I can't read lol"

[deft mulch]

honestly the entire thing is worth a read even if you don't play veteran at all

there's a lot of super useful infoi

[tall torrent]

One sec

[livid hill]

Oh no for sure and i will i was just making a joke :)

[tall torrent]

this is chainsword IV

[normal bay]

Push + dodge to make space

[tall torrent]

and this is chainsword XIIIg

[livid hill]

Makes senso

[tall torrent]

if ur wondering why the single target combo for both chainswords is "swap to ranged weapon and start blasting"

yes

[steep flower]

All it takes is proper spacing

[livid hill]

Bolt pistol has good swap speed right?

[tall torrent]

good enough

but it's not a single target dps gun

[livid hill]

Um

How so /gen

I use it as a sniper basically

[tall torrent]

takes 3 headshots to kill reaper

it's a breakpoint gun but it's not a single target dps gun

ur not gonna have a great time trying to kill waves of crushers or doing monster dmg with it

[steep flower]

Altho if there is no bleed in the team and you have puncture you can sink in 4 shots & go back 2 melee

[deft mulch]

@steep flower @unreal bone @safe kestrel ready for you in Strike Party 2

[livid hill]

I. Don't really agree? That's the capacity I've been using it in and it does really well

[steep flower]

Still coming home…

[deft mulch]

all good, I'm just waiting here

[livid hill]

Im sorry idk what to say when someone else's experience is just completely different from my own lol

[steep flower]

All it takes is to show

[tall torrent]

u know how many shots it takes to kill crusher with it right

[deft mulch]

are we talking havoc missions here?

or auric/damnation

[livid hill]

Auric and auric maelstrom particularly

[normal bay]

BP is still not good at monster/crusher damage on damnation

[livid hill]

Im too good for anything below to be fun but I'm not good enough for havoc

[deft mulch]

honestly havoc is all about having a team with good cohesion rather than individual skill level imo

you can be the best player in the game but you can't kill 3 captains and a BoN on your own (usually, this has exceptions)

[steep flower]

Depends also on the build too

[deft mulch]

this is true

[tall torrent]

takes 6 headshots to kill a single crusher, idk

u have to dmg juice it to be good at carapace dmg

3 headshots to kill 1 reaper

[grand perch]

havoc 40 applicant

[steep flower]

Yeah vs crushers bolt pistol ain’t ideal but for bosses you can atleast stack bleed

[livid hill]

That's honestly really comforting to me bc i took high havoc a couple times and wiped

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/good-deal-damn-good-deal-inglourious-basterds-gif-9641888780287763794

[deft mulch]

I don't see the point of the bolt pistol personally, the precision revolver is arguably better for elites and the bolter is better for heavies

[grand perch]

the 200% tax noded infiltrate sends me

[steep flower]

Bolt pistol is prefered in havoc mostly due to 1 thing; Puncture

[tame lodge]

Really likes Weapon Specialist

😭

[tall torrent]

it's good on arb (because shotguns are not reliable 1 tap guns and don't have as much range)

[tame lodge]

[deft mulch]

precision revolver makes me nut when I use it though, such a fun weapon

nowhere near enough ammo though

[tall torrent]

it's good on ammo outside of havoc

in havoc yea

[steep flower]

Yeah like… BP on arby is soo strong it 1 taps specials i can’t on other classes due to how many dmg buffs arby gets

[tall torrent]

also arb doesn't have WS for free crit & ammo fill so revolver not as good

[deft mulch]

Do you guys think arbitrator is overtuned?

[hearty panther]

Yes.

[tall torrent]

very

[hearty panther]

My new obsession is combat shotguns with No Respite dumped into enemies that I knocked over with BtL

[deft mulch]

I played it, got it to 30, played a bit of havoc, and just didn't really enjoy it all that much

[queen sky]

yeah the rapid ready speed + the fat hitscan radius is simply unbeatable

feels so good to go from hordeclear to blowing off a rager's head in an instant

[safe kestrel]

Just left the meeting. Before we get into let me make sure what region everyone is playing from for latency issues

[hearty panther]

Thankfully the class is overtuned but fun, unlike Ogryn of old who was overtuned and boring as shit.

[deft mulch]

EST

[safe kestrel]

Ok that’s pretty good

[deft mulch]

what about you @unreal bone and @steep flower , what region are you guys

[steep flower]

Its 6.07 pm for me

[steep flower]

Still omw home

[deft mulch]

ah, that might be a latency issue

[tame lodge]

Yeah and kinda mid as well

[deft mulch]

I don't have anything turned on that shows ping or I'd check mine but I assume yours would be higher than 200 if we all played on EST or Central

[past stratus]

I like the bistol for WS/grenades builds, and to be fair the only gun I aim at Crushers is the Helbore. Everything else feels like a waste of ammo

[steep flower]

I’m Europe

[deft mulch]

Half the time I turn around and think there's a Mauler in front of me, it;s quite funny

[steep flower]

Boltgun?

[faint beacon]

Completely ignores iron will

Holy based

[past stratus]

I guess so, I don't like that gun though. It doesn't feel good outside of mag dumping bosses and I guess crushers

I just think crushers and bulwarks are just something you have to learn to kill in melee

[deft mulch]

Boltgun is worth it for pretty much every elite enemy

[past stratus]

it takes 3 business day to swap even with One Motion 😔

[deft mulch]

execution stance

[past stratus]

I don't like Executioner Stance

even if you don't take into consideration the comparison to VoC in terms of usefulness. I just think Executioner's Stance is lame

[deft mulch]

I mean maybe, but in high havoc it's really nice to have all the elite enemies marked so you can focus them down whil eyour team horde clears

[past stratus]

It is probably better to give your team 200 worth of Gold toughness with a huge aoe stagger

[ember nest]

isn't it like 50 each

wording it as "200 total" sounds way diff

[deft mulch]

50 x 4 is what he meant I assume

[past stratus]

how much is 50 x 4?

lmao

yes

[ember nest]

dwc.

[deft mulch]

better to have a chorus zealot doing that though

[past stratus]

Every 12s or so it amounts to an insane amount

I think FOTR is generally better for Zealot these days

[deft mulch]

depends on the build, if it's a high single target damage build then yeah, if it's a horde clear/support build then no

I use Chorus because I don't trust randoms to keep themselves alive

[past stratus]

a good philosophy to have

[deft mulch]

plus being able to keep a demonhost/captains/monstrosity back for 10s can be the difference between a team wipe and a victory VERY often

[unreal bone]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-share-this-cat-if-you-already-lost-your-mind-insane-lost-your-mind-share-this-gif-11044010788421076558

Poxburster instakills you awesome

Instakilled by karnak twin dash cause glitch

instakilled by random poxburster through full hp toughness and iron will

[deft mulch]

you gonna join the strike party?

[unreal bone]

When I'm out of this mission perhaps, the psyker is still alive

[unreal bone]

My mic is dead right now so that's up to you if u care or not. :l

[deft mulch]

I don't as long as you can hear me

[unreal bone]

Fuck it I'll join then, I was about to get off because hitting the insta kill glitch twice in like 1 hour

is really unmotivating

[stiff merlin]

I don't how I feel about the chainaxe

[unreal bone]

160674472

@deft mulch

[steep flower]

Use it more & you'll see

[safe kestrel]

Nah my point was that having a zealot in party to run the zealot meta is dedicated on boss clearing especially shield captains

[past stratus]

I'll use it when leveling my zealot then

[steep flower]

its best on vet; try it on vet

[past stratus]

I don't have one on vet 😭 and currently am low on diamantine. I'll see if Melk has one

[mossy monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-share-this-cat-if-you-already-lost-your-mind-insane-lost-your-mind-share-this-gif-11044010788421076558

[clever hedge]

@steep flower recommendations for how to bless it?

[ember nest]

slowly but surely...

[sudden cedar]

4 wounds

[ember nest]

the arbis who do this area always specimines

[sudden cedar]

Iam sorry.. what?

[tame lodge]

It's the 5th time I've seen 5 wounds Arbitrators

Is there something I don't know

[normal bay]

New secret martyrdom build

[ember nest]

they are always picking up grimoires too

I don't understand what's going on with them

new stereotype

[sudden cedar]

I have a potential explanation

There is a talent that gives corruption resistance

might be that it gets stacked with corruption resistance from curios

[hollow ibex]

Every class should have a martyrdom build tbh

[ember nest]

but that's a substat isn't it

[tame lodge]

It's the year 2030

Every class has been reworked

They have

Immunity to corruption

Targets marked mechanic

Martyrdom

Gold toughness is a thing of the past

[sudden cedar]

The extra wounds tho i can't explain

[midnight totem]

I got a guy in a game named "AboveAvgPsyker". Dies first. About right.

[sudden cedar]

Well..yeah.

Did he explode?

[round flint]

they have an above average time to first death, name accurate

[calm shard]

this means the game is impossibly difficult on even heresy difficulty according to the community

[sudden cedar]

Have you seen some of those players in Heresy?

This statement might not be so far from the truth.

Sort of.

[shrewd flax]

any tips how to survive better as a vet with hellbore+duelling sword ?

[calm shard]

don't get hit 👍

dueling sword makes this exceptionally easy

less jokingly you need to have good situational awareness, and preferably if you are planning on using your helbore you should try and be in the middle of the team

not the back

[tame lodge]

Considering that you have Helbore and Dueling Sword

Use frags

[calm shard]

because enemies WILL spawn behind the team (you) and smack you out of literal nowhere

[tame lodge]

Or swap to Power Sword/Rashad Combat Axe

[calm shard]

Also I would highly recommend not using Dueling Sword with Helbore as it does not synergize with it at all

[hollow ibex]

2 stabby sticks but one shoots lasers

[shrewd flax]

i have tried power sword it is too slow to my taste

[tame lodge]

It's one of the trade offs for being heretic slayer 40k when powered

[void dragon]

want to ask you folks what's your favourite infiltrate build, i sadly have only one and would want to have at least one more

[ember nest]

I don't particularly like infiltrate

[tame lodge]

The one where I use two charges in a row to stack red nodes

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/OeLR.gif

[trim badger]

Use special attack for the DS when you see an enemy about to hit you

[sudden cedar]

Infiltrate.

[trim badger]

Headshot specials can Even stagger crushers

[void dragon]

i know that is garbo but RUDE

[sudden cedar]

On a more serious note, its okay. But i don't like it because it dumps all the aggro on someone else.

That can seriously fuck someone up.

[ember nest]

^

[trim badger]

Skill issue from their end /j

[sudden cedar]

Because enemies "randomly" change direction

[ember nest]

I should develope a habit of only pressing infiltrate during crusher windups

[void dragon]

the trick is to dump that aggro to do something and then gain it immediately by means of frag nade carpet or a unload of bolter fire

if you just sit on your butt while team is strugging you are jerk

that is the Lex

[ember nest]

wrong channel

[unreal bone]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-share-this-cat-if-you-already-lost-your-mind-insane-lost-your-mind-share-this-gif-11044010788421076558

[ember nest]

🗣️

[void dragon]

nah, dont you know that Veteran is just Free2Arby?

[ember nest]

he dun got no shout

everyone knows vet is shout taxi

a warframe pet that gives you overgaurd on cooldown

[void dragon]

Vet doesnt have pet so he has to become the explosive dogo himself by shouting

[sudden cedar]

Yeah well..i still don't really like it. Anyway.

[ember nest]

he is the pet

[warm schooner]

my favorite stealth memory is watching a zealot hit stealth as the crusher overhead was mid swing and then it instant turned and landed on me

[tropic notch]

Stealth has always been bad

It’s just a speed running tool really

[warm schooner]

stealth just doesn't make a lot of sense in the current game paradigm

and before anyone mentions vt2

it looked stupid as hell there too

[sudden cedar]

I recently watched a video with Ranger Bardin

[steep flower]

which weapon?

[void dragon]

its something that should be part of a dedicated class i feel (Insert Felinid assassin propaganda brainrot here)

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Focus on your game man.

It was a solo mission so i can accept that with Stealth, but the things he did with it.

Might as well be a Veteran with Infiltrate or Zealot with Shroudfield.

With corresponding problems for the rest of the team

[sudden cedar]

If used poorly.

[tame lodge]

I call this build " Don't fuck up now"

You pop 2 charges
Get all damage bonuses
Chuck a Krak at a boss

And deal no damage because Kraks aren't that great

[warm schooner]

[tame lodge]

Bonus points if you have a Skullcrusher arbitrator

[sudden cedar]

Nice.

[tame lodge]

Maybe drop trench fighter for Superiority

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

[void dragon]

peak meme AND i finally have an excuse with deniability to use Fire team? nice

[tame lodge]

I miss CaB on this build

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-i-miss-my-wife-gif-11815978239493048011

[clever hedge]

@steep flower chainaxe

[trim badger]

CaB is surely something that sounds so little but makes such a huge difference...

Since the buff holy moly

It truly brings the call of duty on vet 8)

[gilded cobalt]

Hey, if I don’t want to be a nerd with the dueling sword on my Commissar Kruber in high difficulty content, what’s a melee with some real chest hair that won’t be throwing?

[tame lodge]

Power sword

Rashad Axe

Heavy Sword

[gilded cobalt]

Heck yeah

Will give the Rashad a try, that sounds metal

[hollow ibex]

Taxe Mk VII is good too

[steep flower]

Unyielding + Carapace perks, Bloodletter & Thunderous blessings, dumpstat Mobility, use Mk IV

[hybrid plover]

You guys might call me crazy

Shock maul is actually really good too.

The touch-up really made it viable for all classes tbh

[void dragon]

doesnt feel that strong as a damage weapon, but i have found success as a support one to enhance frag nades and to cc some elites while softening them up

that being said, the maul can pack a punch if you build around your melee

[livid hill]

zealot and arby petting vet

is there a non dickish way to run plasma gun on vet cause i hear a lot of complaining abt it but ive never seriously used it

[sturdy crescent]

Ugh so hard to swap from guy to melee always using axe just for running further

[void dragon]

nah both are petting the dog, Vet is the unvaccinated pet

as for plasma...what are people complaining? that it has insane cleave? the gun isnt that absurd outside of that REALLY absurd stat

bring some smoke nades and give cover to the team if they are complaining or something

[livid hill]

vet whimpering in the corner wishing the dog was him

[livid hill]

idk just heard its op

[ember nest]

Because uh

Uhm
Uh

[void dragon]

imo its one particular being op is that it can cut a horde with regular shots because of that cleave, doesnt feel THAT strong (in other fields), but i also heard its op

[faint beacon]

Spamming M1 over and over and clearing elites that aren’t crushers is a bit powerful

That’s why

[ember nest]

I had somsone talking about how it was better than the revolver to which I reply

No shit the class specific weapon would be

It feels like complaining about trauma or voidstrike but those trade ammo for heating really fast

[void dragon]

its hitbox of the shot is also quite big so easy headshots

[void dragon]

he will be sad drinking its wisky, but he also pets the dog because he knows he is the true goodest boy

[tame lodge]

Yes
Shoot in the direction you want gone

You're the plasma gunner

You run this shit

Act like it

Except against carapace
Use your melee for those

[livid hill]

...reallu?

[tame lodge]

Yuh

4 primary shots against crushers isn't ideal

[livid hill]

is chainsword REALLY that bad for single targets? testing an underleveled one out on shotgunners and it seems pretty good

like, it cant kill maulers easily but I dont expect it to tbh

[tall torrent]

single target is usually carapace and unyielding target

[sonic kayak]

Vet is a dog

OF WAR! FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!

[hollow ibex]

Yah pretty bad

[livid hill]

so like ogryns

[compact oracle]

you can use pretty much anything to kill gunners/shotgunners

[tall torrent]

mauler, crusher, bulwark, monsters
reaper usually not, ur prob gonna shoot them before meleeing

[livid hill]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f7239eb-8e10-4c0b-81fa-fdfe58b28cb8

thoughts on this?

[tall torrent]

wouldn't

[livid hill]

elaborate if you can?

[livid hill]

?

[tame lodge]

Longshot scales poorly

Won't help with Plasma

Plasma needs Superiority

You have no grenade Regen asw well

[livid hill]

whats superiority?

OH FUCK

[tame lodge]

Plasma doesn't need rending
But taxe might

Except you're also going Exploit Weakness

[livid hill]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f7239eb-8e10-4c0b-81fa-fdfe58b28cb8

fixed

[tall torrent]

swap opening salvo to killzone

[mossy monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-share-this-cat-if-you-already-lost-your-mind-insane-lost-your-mind-share-this-gif-11044010788421076558

[trim badger]

Does it???

[azure shell]

Hey guys is the Onslaught talent worth it for Vraks MK V?

[tall torrent]

if u rly need to shoot at crushers with ur gun, yes

[azure shell]

what about flak

etc

[strange crow]

Not helpful

[tall torrent]

not really relevant

[azure shell]

ty, I like playing Weapon Specialist so figured i'd try it.

[strange crow]

Pathing to onslaught also could be better

[azure shell]

but starting to think Vraks works better with Focus Target

yeah pathing to onslaught sucks tbh

[strange crow]

That or no keystone prob most efficient

[odd sparrow]

pathing to onslaught only unlocks killing crushers, which is nice but is it worth like 3-4 points ehhhhh

[ember nest]

one day we'll be free of "no hotshot las" purgatory

[azure shell]

well I like Weapon specialist cuz you get some good melee talents as well

like trench fighter and desperado

[strange crow]

Yeah weapon specialist is good if you’re mostly doing melee, but onslaught is really only relevant if you wanna lean heavy into shooting

[azure shell]

tbh you can't really do that with any weapon, well maybe Infantry Lasgun cuz of the ammo efficiency

but that gun feels like it needs a buff

[strange crow]

Survivalist does wonders

[azure shell]

and by that I mean not really swapping for melee half the time

[strange crow]

VIc has crazy uptime

[shrewd marsh]

Like a nature documentary I throw grenades out when I'm surrounded in a panic

[ember nest]

one day

[faint beacon]

2 billion years

[ember nest]

AGAIN

I JUST GOT HOME

WHAT IS IT WITH ARBIS

[arctic rampart]

onslaught's fun to play with. I would say you need to try it yourself. but almost everyone believes it's too expensive getting to the point for it to be worth it.

e.g. I tried really hard to make a recon primary spammer work w/ onslaught. kind of fun, but also a lot of meh. if they moved onslaught to a nice place in the tree I imagine almost everyone would take it.

[ember nest]

I don't understand the appeal of combat axe

feels slow

[gilded wraith]

It comes into its own at higher levels with rashad and bm.

[tropic notch]

Gotta use ws with trench fighter drill

[gilded wraith]

Needs trench

[tropic notch]

And bm

And headtaker

[gilded wraith]

Sadly falls off in havoc. But great in anything below that.

[tropic notch]

Power sword or gtfo

Tac axe or gtfo

Uhhh

Shovel or gtfo

We don’t talk about ds

[tall torrent]

it doesn't fall off for arb

[ember nest]

what falls off for arb

[hollow ibex]

Nothing

[tall torrent]

Shotgun 💀

[ember nest]

whar

[tall torrent]

Yea

[faint beacon]

Exterm or CS

cause I noticed CS is probably the most reliable pick for Arb H40 Range

Agri CS to be exact

[tropic notch]

Yeah the cb are better than his unique ones lol

[tall torrent]

ext

[tall torrent]

ya

[tall torrent]

mk3 is a pretty good rager blender but it's rly a specialty weapon

[hollow ibex]

Mk3 is what Zarona special shot wished it was

[faint beacon]

Mk8 Is- okay but you lack ammo and its literally just there for Boss assistance

Again Agri CS sweep

[tall torrent]

mk8 is uh

it's ok

[faint beacon]

Yeah literally its just

okay

[tall torrent]

I think it could be better if it had reliable 1 taps

but it doesn't

[faint beacon]

Incredible in Auric

[hollow ibex]

I hate how mk8 feels without support talents

[faint beacon]

but H40 its okay

[tall torrent]

also both ext shotguns are bugged

[tropic notch]

I wish vet had stun immunity besides gbitf

[hollow ibex]

Guarantee two shot on most human elites

[tall torrent]

shotpistol also pretty good

[faint beacon]

ranged stun immunity....

[tall torrent]

u do

[tropic notch]

Literally just for flamers

[faint beacon]

Its not great for damage but its literally just Turtle Arby where you run Shmaul

and become incredibly defensive and tanky

[tropic notch]

Guh

[tall torrent]

exe stance gives u stun immunity

[tall torrent]

nah run rashad + shotpistol, trust

[tropic notch]

I gotta use exe stance with red nodes now

[faint beacon]

I mean I always liked Shotpistol

Also

[tall torrent]

arb maul, crusher and rashad are top 3 melee for arb

[faint beacon]

Achlys Mk8 being actually playable on Arby shockingly LMAO

[tropic notch]

Tac axe

[hollow ibex]

Wished they gave shistol 6 rounds

[tall torrent]

I think if u want to be a frontline specialist, crusher + mk3 ext shotgun is like, insanely cracked

[tall torrent]

at least 1 tier below these

[tropic notch]

[tropic notch]

Why

[tall torrent]

this talent so mid

and takes 2 points to reach

[faint beacon]

Its alright

[tall torrent]

it's ass

[hollow ibex]

I know though it costs talent points

[tall torrent]

with 2 points u can grab like +30% ranged dmg for ur gun lol

[tropic notch]

The third barrel of the double barrel

[tall torrent]

+1 mag size vs +30% ranged dmg

u decide

[tall torrent]

still ass

rashad is cracked tho

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/16926350542088887211/E8F8F8FB8CC88B7AE9229DA364135755E2606AB5/
rashad on arb

[hollow ibex]

Yeah Rashad is dumb on arbi

[tall torrent]

rashad on arb is essentially vet with power sword

very similar actually across multiple metrics

[tropic notch]

What build do you use with this?

[tropic notch]

You take cleave on push?

[hollow ibex]

Tbf works well with PA

[tall torrent]

why wouldn't u

[tropic notch]

I mean you have bm

[tall torrent]

do u want to stagger 3 dreg ragers with push attack or 5

[tropic notch]

5

I mean since I use tac axe I don’t pick it to be fair

[tall torrent]

ok take it then lol

[tall torrent]

yea but tac axe is also at least 1 tier below whatever this is lol

this is without unyielding btw

2 tap bulwark (3 in havoc)

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/death-die-kill-gif-25116080

But mah moblity

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f4a08a3-60ed-4cb2-9a64-f979b7b9f3d1/terrible-arby-tac-axe-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

This is mine

Path is gonna send steam happy to this

[tall torrent]

why do u not take the +16% crit chance talent

for tac axe of all things

[tropic notch]

I really can’t tell a difference

[tropic notch]

I’ve ran it with and without it and really the only thing I noticed was I kill horde’s slightly faster

[tall torrent]

why don't u drop desperado on veteran as well then

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-plankton-alright-i-get-it-i-get-it-enough-gif-19558825

I’ll change it

[shy oak]

neva take on the shotgun

you should be reloading every bullet u fire

every 5 secs atleast

works like a kickback but with 5 extra shells lol

i prefer the extra ranged damage on melee staggering hits

[calm shard]

on the double barrel however

[past stratus]

ok I think I like the Smoke

[shy oak]

i only run with 70% reload speed on db kill blessing

dbs are used for cleanup

mutant and flak or unarmoured

maybe take unyielding if you struggle with reapers and bulwarks

i cant find a good db boss killing build tho

no offense but the triple db is more a fad

idk if im having more fun with one more bullet in my db tbh doesnt make a huge dif

same with plasma gun need to see more volatile and inversed heating pairs works incredibly well for the 3 stacks of weapon specialist then straight back to melee

melee vet 4 life

[hybrid plover]

as a vet, having anything with stealth on your team is the worst thing ever

[shy oak]

i think they could make it like sm2 where it activates on perfect dodges every set amount of time or against certain enemies every set amount of time on perfect dodge

it would help it keep up with invocation of death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxhFO714w1w&t=21s

i send this again but this is more being carried by shout + iron will

[junior grail]

I like it on Revolvers too

[inland eagle]

hi how is the heavy bolt build these days

[shy oak]

with +15 clip size and unlimited stagger with arbites

i think he is bolter king now

next to zealot then veteran

[calm shard]

veteran is bolter king

gets swap speed and reload speed which are essential for bolter usage

better ammo economy

and the highest ranged damage in the game

[shy oak]

i prefer zealots full use of cavalcade tho it really is a crit on evry bullet

[round flint]

I haven't played basically any darktide since pre weapon system rework-ish. I played a lot of power sword+revolver shouty vet. I'm hopping back into darktide now, and wonder how that build does in havoc? I've swapped my revolver for a bolt pistol, which feels fine. I ran weapon specialist before, because always having 1 bullet in the revolver to snipe a specialist felt good, though it feels less crucial with the bolt pistols larger mag size. I'm also not a fan of the tagging keystones gameplay, though I'd run it before on the maelstrom modifier with the infinite mauler/crushers.

[shy oak]

still a great build

many defenders of the power sword but not enough mobility for me

veteran really hasnt changed much since then only getting the dueling sword added and some talent reworks here and there

[heavy rover]

wait until you awaken the horde of helbore fans

[shy oak]

what is the appeal of hotshot? infinite horde clear?

[round flint]

Needing to charge up the power sword does feel pretty bad right now in auric. Bolt pistol having more gas in the chamber let's me do a bit more damage to beefier threats compared to revolvers 5 shots. I've seen a lot of chain sword used for crowd clearing, has that come into favor? Also does the chain axe still suck or did they buff it?

[past stratus]

I did it, I finished leveling the Taxe. Now I only have he Shockmaul and the Chainaxe left of the meeles

[heavy rover]

with the right build, you can one-shot crushers

[hollow ibex]

Chord is ass

Chaxe is niche

[heavy rover]

alternatively you can be a very strong support that wipe out all ranged enemies and gunners

at the same time, not needing to pick up any ammo at all

[hollow ibex]

Psword is still the king

[round flint]

But also, a pile of things feel bad right now because I'm hella rusty. Missing headshots on dogs/trappers and getting disabled feels real bad XD

[shy oak]

i still dont get why melee critical hits apply brittleness is right next to the same talent for normal hits??

[hollow ibex]

?

Idk

[shy oak]

even for melee builds much more worth to take the one that works for ranged

the worst talent besides the funny psyker talent

[round flint]

Is weapon specialist fine? I do really enjoy the gameplay loop of swapping to reload the gun and weaving kills for buffs. I don't see it run much, but I haven't dug much into the meta builds

[hollow ibex]

Still great

[round flint]

Awesome

[shy oak]

the best vet is ws

[round flint]

Thanks for all the info!

[spring spindle]

Vigilant autogun blessings?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[tall torrent]

Current strongest vet gun in havoc is helbore IV

But it’s not for everyone

[inland eagle]

so you're saying heavy bolter build is good or?

only for bolter

also, how do I update my mods?

theyre all in the folder

[tall torrent]

Download new file from nexus

Drag to that folder & overwrite

[past stratus]

what is the better Mk for the Chaxe? Or is it down to preference?

[inland eagle]

this is in my files:

oh cant show images

...

[tall torrent]

Both are mid at best, choose based on what moveset u like more

[inland eagle]

wish there was like a launcher for this, this sucks

[past stratus]

is there one with a smidge more cleave? Because this thing seems very single target

[junior grail]

Is it bad that I find psword annoying?

[inland eagle]

should I use vortex?

[past stratus]

No, I think even the most enthusiastic Psword user eventually gets annoyed at the mechanic

they need to make it so you can kill walkers without it

[hollow ibex]

Seems like a very common sentiment

I’ve gotten used to it personally

[tall torrent]

Both have cleave damage distribution cap

[junior grail]

I instinctively default to block when in melee so I end up sabotaging my own activations of psword most of the time

[tall torrent]

Just download the newly updated file from nexus and overwrite into the game’s folder

It’s pretty simple

[heavy rover]

on the mk vi powersword you use block to cancel the animation on charge up

[junior grail]

They have a point tho, some games like ror2 had a launcher to easily dl mods and their subsidiaries automatically

[past stratus]

you can cancel the special with block

but it is wonky and in my experience seems to work half of the time

[junior grail]

That's why I see many players requesting psword mechanic to follow relicsword

[past stratus]

idk about that, I think buffing its non-special damage so you can at least deal with regular little guys would fix it for me

[junior grail]

Tbh I feel they should just make the normal mode more effective in general, make the powered version specially for armoured

And also fix that PITIFUL blunt sfx of unpoweredstrikes

[past stratus]

if it was like "oh special guy I need to use my special move" instead of pressing every time before I do anything

[junior grail]

Totes agree

[shy oak]

easily the one with heavy sweeping attacks

the light attacks on overhead require for how slow the weapon is

[past stratus]

I'll try them out thank ya.

[shy oak]

the push attack is very nice too

[heavy rover]

yeah I feel like unpowered strikes need a buff for power sword. But in terms of following relic sword's mechanic, I feel that it'd be worth to have a separate power sword version that does that

[tall torrent]

there is, in the files

[junior grail]

Third powersword variant?

[tall torrent]

Not a third variant

[past stratus]

if they do nothing about the unpowered version and only add the relic mechanic, the weapon will be dogshit lmao

[tall torrent]

It’s straight up a new weapon type

[junior grail]

Power Saber

[heavy rover]

thicc tuna pls, I beg of thee

drop the new power sword (and clean up vet tree), and my life is yours

[tall torrent]

With 2 variants

[heavy rover]

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-do-it-gif-15871337907184961450

[inland eagle]

dont I have to type some command into the patcher thing on notepad or something too?

[tall torrent]

If the mod was already added to the mod loader list, no

Cuz the name would be the same and the file is just getting overwritten

[past stratus]

I'm also almost done with the Revolver, very fun gun

[inland eagle]

wait how do I type the command in into the mod load order again?

yolo

see if it worked

nah didnt work

[round flint]

You need to enable mods with the bat file, then, in the mod load order, type the folder name of each mod

[junior grail]

I've given up hope... longlas and melta in datamine for so long but nowhere in sight

[inland eagle]

i did it the reverse way and it worked

do you guys recommend DLSS for a 5080?

I notice u get mad frames no matter what with frame gen

[tall torrent]

why not

esp if ur on like 1440p or higher

[inland eagle]

yeah dlss is still the way and im 1400p

1440p*

also why is the scoreboard like this, is that normal?

https://imgur.com/a/BwEFqoR

and also, theres this really annoying pop up from a plugin spamming the chat, idk how to fix

https://imgur.com/a/e16dGC0

[hollow ibex]

You’ll need the scoreboard patch

On nexus

[inland eagle]

gotcha thanks

[round flint]

yah, doggos did fucky shit to scoreboard

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent are you still rocking linux?

Been thinking about switching because all the bloatwear on windows 11

I really need to do a deep dive into windows stuff to see what’s needed and not needed

[inland eagle]

hey um i keep getteing this message every time I launch the game, any idea? https://imgur.com/a/GfWeEeG =/

[hollow ibex]

Make sure animation events is installed 🤔

The mod that is

[inland eagle]

it is, weird

maybe gotta reinstalled everything

sigh

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/2PCTJT1

[little path]

wtf

the lucius can shoot through small cover?

[calm shard]

spawn doors for enemies aren't real

anything can shoot through them

[past stratus]

its real funny with pox busters

[void dragon]

wait, so if i tag an enemy behind a door its weapons free?

that's good wisdom

[barren cave]

which autogun is best

i remember columnus used to be really good a while back

[hollow ibex]

It’s called Vraks now

And Columnus is the shitty one now

Vraks is the best, Agri is decent

colum is sad

[barren cave]

why did they switch the names lmao

[hollow ibex]

To confuse everyone

[barren cave]

so vraks is the fastest firing autogun rn?

also, is it the best gun to use for getting all the exec stance penances

because I remember exec stance works better with fast rof weapons better than like..single shot ones

[hollow ibex]

Yes

[grand perch]

Not true, you are thinking of marksman's focus

[barren cave]

so which is the best gun to use rn to get all the exec stance penances out of the way

[calm shard]

also not true for MMF either

they're thinking of weapon specialist

[grand perch]

It's a common view of mmf

[calm shard]

Vraks Infantry Autogun is absurdly good with MMF

[grand perch]

Easier to keep stacks up with automatic weapons and such

[calm shard]

Mk VII infantry lasgun, or any of the helbores

don't use automatics because of this one

should be able to do them all in one game if you have solid aim

use Counterfire to do this one so you can headclick basic shooters

[barren cave]

whats counterfire

[calm shard]

that

those dudes are everywhere

really easy to keep exe stance up with them

[barren cave]

ive done both those penances with recon las

i think i did em while I was levelling

the main one I have left is the one where it says use secondary action

something like that

[calm shard]

yeah that just means when aimed down sights

(with guns that can obviously)

[barren cave]

theres that one mission with the bridge defense while you have to wait for a elevator, so I just went to the middle of the bridge , hit f and fired nonstop

that worked

[leaden gazelle]

I joined this discord just to ask what other guns are usable for havoc because the plasma gun isnt fun to use for me and I hate the visual clutter of it...is it possible to make bolt pistol/rifle viable or should I just be recon lasgun

[barren cave]

im assuming the revolver and invis is the best way to do the 90% accuracy penance

[calm shard]

veteran luckily has actual variety in guns for havoc

even if they don't have melee variety

Vraks Infantry Autogun, Agripinaa Combat Shotgun, Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Helbore, and Double Barrel are all viable options

[hollow ibex]

Double Barrel and build doesn’t matter besides don’t take surv and extra ammo

[calm shard]

Though saying that the Bolt Pistol isn't viable because of its qualities as a gun

It's viable because it makes your grenades better

[leaden gazelle]

I'll def try for bolter then it does feel a bit jarring with how ammo efficient plasma gun is going back to other guns

[barren cave]

doing the krak penance is painful too ngl

because the nades takes so long to go off

[calm shard]

yeah

those grenades are genuinely terrible

[barren cave]

they should come with like 5 nades

[hollow ibex]

Base 2

[barren cave]

also the buff to increase krak dmg is completely useless right, it adds extra dmg vs monstrosities and captains?

[calm shard]

yes

[hollow ibex]

Not captains

[calm shard]

but the uh

their base damage is horrible

2400 damage

about equivalent to 3 melee swings from the good melee weapons xd

[hollow ibex]

It does like 15 percent damage against captains. WITH grenade tinkerer

[calm shard]

they genuinely only kill enemies that are made out of tissue paper, or they specifically have an instant kill override for

https://fximgur.com/a/RXk2Lkf

[hollow ibex]

I think the only place where kraks are actually good

Is when there’s a wall of bulwarks

[calm shard]

yeah

and even then VoC or shredders would also help with thinning them out

It's just the one thing Kraks do better

[steep flower]

Puncture 2

[long dove]

what is on that gun?

[dapper agate]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/veteran-scavenger-auras-rework/111202

Vet aura rework I came up with.

[tall torrent]

Yea
I’m using CachyOS, it’s optimized for speed and security

[gentle lake]

dumpstat on plasma gun?

[normal bay]

Doesn't really have one. You want to balance thermal res with charge rate

@tired egret

[gentle lake]

WOw ok.

lmao

[normal bay]

It is a nightmare to find in the store though

[gentle lake]

Yeah I SEE THAT

Im gonna be broke

[normal bay]

Iirc can't correctly, 69 is the minimum guaranteed 8 shots before overheat, so you can go higher but it will cost you charge rate

That said, its only 1 extra shot so not the end of the world either

[supple coyote]

any advice to do "On Overwatch Penanance" i always got hit at the minimum or any map to do it quick as i can

[tall torrent]

I can help u

What region are u in

[supple coyote]

Emea

But i can play nasa too

[tall torrent]

Ok so the basic strat is

We load into a map
U jump off the map asap

I speedrun the mission and never rez u

[supple coyote]

so i die for the emperor u speed un

run*

easy peasy

[tall torrent]

Exactly

[supple coyote]

god emperor blees u

XD

k

[tall torrent]

What’s ur FS friend code

[supple coyote]

7188424597

[unreal forge]

cool changes but close and kill would be the meta

1% toughness replenishment per kill is kinda laughable, Ogryn has an aura that gives 15% replenishment

[tall torrent]

I think what he meant was that u get 1% toughness from every kill

[supple coyote]

that's was gonna say i was reading while now

unless is was every..

[tall torrent]

instead of a toughness gain modifier of +15%

[supple coyote]

ah he said it

XD

[vivid silo]

Also, keep in mind the Plasma is coming up for a nerf/rework where Fatshark supposedly intends on making charged shots more worth it. That might change the value of the stats.

[tired maple]

Hola

[supple coyote]

hello-

[queen sky]

does Decimator on the Tactical Axe drops all stacks on a whiff?

[grand perch]

Yuuuup

And it's very annoying

[dapper agate]

Every kill gives 1% toughness.

[queen sky]

okay after a long time spent enjoying Zealot and Ogryn, i've come back to veteran and tried taking it on Auric as i have been with my Ogryn

only to feel disappointingly fragile

i know that Ogryn and Zealot are the tanky classes, but at the same time it feels like Veteran is so lacking in DR sources that it's too fragile for anyone but dodge savants to reliably drive on Auric and above

is this correct?

[past stratus]

Yes, Veteran is made out of toilet paper

[queen sky]

excellent, glad to know i'm not doing something wrong

thanks

now to mald and seethe until the promised day when fatshark delivers a Veteran rework

because i love its' support power too much to abandon it

[normal bay]

Vet is flimsy and benefits a lot from a good team that allows you to actually shoot

But you can still do aurics no problem

[queen sky]

yeah i know if you're a crazy combo dodge master who can avoid getting hit 99% of the time, you can do havoc 40 with a grey shovel and a rock

but i'm a normal person who makes mistakes

i need my build to do at least some of the work

[normal bay]

I don't touch Havocs, its fine lol

[past stratus]

Rocks are very powerful weapons

[normal bay]

You might just have to grind a little bit to improve your vet skills

Abuse shout

Abuse the good weapons

It is, what it is

[queen sky]

windup time sucks fat doink though

[past stratus]

Extremely satisfying bonk that one shots most dangerous targets

[queen sky]

agreed, if you can get it out and pull back and aim and fire in time (i.e. against snipers) then the rock feels exquisite

but against a charger it's a fumbling mess

[crimson wyvern]

Is Armourbane good for the brittleness on bosses when using hellbore?

Just in a vaccum ignore that you should never use it because bosses are easy and i can solo bosses easy or whatever like chad thing people say

[tame lodge]

It's ok on the mk5

3 and 4 don't need it

[crimson wyvern]

I use 3a

[past stratus]

You can do some funny memes with 4 on bosses but it's not worth it

[crimson wyvern]

Fair nuff, I've stuck with surgical and hot shot for so long at this point just wondered if there was anything else to do for it

[tame lodge]

There's Falter

[crimson wyvern]

The percentages look nice but its all to do with more stagger

not damage or anything

if ive pulled out my hellbore ive usually positioned myself safetly to pull it out

so dont need that control

[past stratus]

I think Infernus is ok, you do a crit body shot and still kill some elites

[tame lodge]

The forbidden No Respite Helbore

[crimson wyvern]

I want more wacky Blessings

a blessing is never fun when its just you do more damage hayuck hayuck

[heavy rover]

I personally like running armourbane on the mk III helbore

[crimson wyvern]

Some notations on enemies that dictate to the player/team that an enemy has been weakened would be nice too (dunno if a mod exsists for this)

I'd personally love there to be more elemental based stuff for blessings than focused on stagger/damage stuff, I think they can still have their place though.

Not sure how much elemental stuff could ever fit into Warhammer Lore universe wise

like is there a pox gas equivelant for us to use against enemies?

[heavy rover]

Not really, unless you count fire

[crimson wyvern]

Gas fire sounds horrifying

(flamer doesnt count)

There must be a mustard gas equivelant in 40k

[deft mulch]

As far as I know even the Death Korps doesn’t use a lot of gas

The wiki describes “chemical weapons” but doesn’t seem to get a whole lot more specific than that

[crimson wyvern]

That's pretty interesting

another case where sometimes reality is darker than fiction, if in this very one niche case rofl

[deft mulch]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Phosphex_Weapons

There’s this but it sounds more similar to napalm

[carmine zealot]

That one eats through power armor.

As do the virus bombs used during the Heresy.

[carmine zealot]

Yes, scare and choke grenades.

Both are used by Arbites and Enforcers.

Choke is basically super tear gas. Scare drives targets crazy.

[red fox]

I love veteran more than the other classes right now and I'm adamant on doing auric without shout, but man it hurts

[carmine zealot]

There are also flashbang-type photon flash grenades that are extremely popular with Enforcers.

[tame lodge]

The alternative is straight up radiation

[carmine zealot]

The zealot scavengers of House Cawdor on Necromunda use tox bombs themselves, although they are loyalists.

There also used to be Imperial plasma grenades that created a persistent miniature sun for battlefield denial that could expand and contract unpredictably.

[carmine zealot]

Rad grenades used to be a thing too.

There used to be dozens of types of grenades, with all sorts of effects (and malfunctions).

Every now and then GW reintroduces one of them.

[past stratus]

it's toilet paper with shout too lmao the problem isn't amount of toughness it is lack of damage reduction

[queen sky]

agreed

at Auric and above especially, i find that the incoming damage is so high that all the Veteran's recovery tools are unable to keep up

meanwhile Ogryn and Zealot are reducing incoming damage by over 50% and their more limited self-recovery goes a LOT further

[past stratus]

is better to think of toughness in the Vet not as a shield with HP but an effect. Your full toughness tanks one hit, after that act like it doesn't exist

[queen sky]

which really sucks because the vet's team support and precision removal tools are amazing

[safe kestrel]

Nah this is worse than anything to ever exist. They literally were like “let’s make a chemical-biological-corrosive weapon combined”

[carmine zealot]

Also check out https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Virus_bomb.

[safe kestrel]

Very wholesome. Geneva convention having a seizure looking at this

[carmine zealot]

Virus bombs are controversial even in 40k.

[queen sky]

yup, they're generally considered a sign that those in command have failed to salvage the situation

it usually means the loss of a valuable ecosystem

[carmine zealot]

There's also concern that Exterminatus-grade weaponry fuels the Dark Gods.

All that death and suffering.

[red fox]

Is WS Recon worth it?

[sudden cedar]

I find that difficult to believe.

When Death and Suffering is pretty much the majority of the Imperium.

[carmine zealot]

True.

[queen sky]

"an entire planet dying all at once" is not usual

[normal bay]

No, only works for one shot lol

Unless that starts a crit chain but even then...

[sudden cedar]

@queen sky True, it is more that.. the Imperium runs on the blood and lives of its people. Millions and Millions more suffer each day for the glory of the Imperium and spend their lives the same.

When there are more than a million worlds in the Imperium, that is a lot of death and suffering.

Having concerns about Exterminatus-grade weaponry fuelling the Dark Gods is difficult to believe from that perspective.

[scenic vapor]

are we talking exterminatus?

[sudden cedar]

Exspecially since only a few individuals in the Imperium have the authority to carry out Exterminatus on a planet and thus would have to worry about such a thing.

It gets mentioned all the time in games and books, but that is probably because it is an extraordinary event and thus worth recording.

But in the grand scheme of things, Exterminatus is the very last resort.

Best example is Fidus Kryptman.

[carmine zealot]

IIRC, there was an old Inferno comic series where a cult deliberately provoked exterminatus to sacrifice several billion souls to Nurgle.

[sudden cedar]

One could argue here that the planet would have probably fallen to Nurgle anyway so it wouldn't matter.

[red fox]

jesus christ

[carmine zealot]

It was the one with the two Blood Angels and the Calidus Assassin.

[queen sky]

it's not that one exterminatus fuels the gods, it's that thousands of exterminatuses over thousands of years starts to add up and cause the kind of instability that broke the Eldar empire

[sudden cedar]

Maybe.

[queen sky]

it's a massive death event that stains the warp in a way that more mundane suffering does not

especially when repeated

[sudden cedar]

I'd argue that the deaths and the suffering accumulated over 10.000 years of Imperial History does much the same

Because that is how Slaanesh came into being.

[carmine zealot]

It's also the way it's done. Virus bombs are likely to feed Nurgle or something.

[sudden cedar]

Not because singular events

But because constant dripping.

[red fox]

double stealth zealot jsut running off and killing us

[sudden cedar]

It is most likely the reason why the Emperor is on the way to truely ascend to Godhood similar to the Chaos Gods.

Just my opinion based on how the Chaos Gods came into being.

If it worked for them on the rules and workings of the Warp, why wouldn't it work for the Emperor?

[queen sky]

emperor is already a massive warp entity

[carmine zealot]

There was another old short story about the Emperor and Khorne squaring off in the warp, only for Gork to wake up and gatecrash the party.

[sudden cedar]

Gork or Mork?

or Mork and Gork?

[carmine zealot]

The Emperor immediately starts giving all sanctioned psykers prophetic nightmares, because a great WAAAGH is incoming.

Gork woke up and kicked Mork awake, IIRC

[sudden cedar]

I wonder what would happen when a Psyker gets seriously drunk

[carmine zealot]

Some do to shut the voices out.

Funny how all psykers, regardless of their discipline, receive visions and hear voices. Our DT psykers are supposed to be telekinetics or something, but they can read minds just fine.

[sudden cedar]

Maybe it is some basic thing.

What do i know, it is foul sorcery after all.

Abhor the Witch, destroy the Witch.

[queen sky]

my understanding is it's like any other kind of ability, you can have some natural talent for particular things but with practice you can do most of anything

[sudden cedar]

Idira Tlass gets herself drunk and snorts stuff too, by her own admission.

So she's drunk and high while divining stuff. Sounds about right.

[carmine zealot]

I think the story was in the original Titan Legion board game and about the "first" Ork Gargant. An Ork Mek saw a Warlord Titan and decided to build bigger one. Everyone got so excited that Gork and Mork woke up. The Chaos Gods are instantly wary (Gork just laughs and ignores them), and the Emperor goes to DEFCON 1.

This was long before the Horus Heresy books were written so much of it may be outdated, but it kind of shows that the Emperor was already considered active even then, and a match for the Chaos Gods.

[sudden cedar]

The Emperor is Anathema to the Chaos Gods

[carmine zealot]

BTW, whatever happened to the whole thing about him "stealing" power from the Chaos Gods to create the primarchs?

Was it ever confirmed?

Or was it a Chaos lie after all?

[trim badger]

I love these games, it gives me an excuse to be toxic and shitting on people that deserve it

Stealth zealots are the perfect toxicity outlet (when they do stuff like this)

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/0bUo7HN

https://fximgur.com/a/E2cfrE3 clip dumping exe helbore bonanza

[red fox]

What are you suppose dt o do with that lol

[trim badger]

I mean normally just

Stealth, stab big target, come back to your team

Pushing solo ahead and going invis just dumps aggro on your team

[red fox]

Yea but im the victim of that lmao what am i supposed t o do

[trim badger]

Ohh well

Survive out of full spite

That's what you need to do

Let anger keep you alive

[tame lodge]

And take your time

Woops my sprint key broke

[red fox]

Just every single room was on me and there was a boss lmao

im not strong enough i guess

It's funny too once they had t o do an actual objective they died all over the place

[half glade]

how the hell somebody is able to just shoot things for that long in this game? I can swear the moment I aim down the sights somebody starts hitting me in the back, all the time

[past stratus]

team and positioning

[calm shard]

first clip is immediately after a door so few enemies spawn behind there (plus my team is behind me at the time)

second clip is cropped immediately after me assisting my team who are behind me again with the final remains of the horde

in both clips I know my team is behind me so I'm unlikely to be smacked in the back of the head

https://fximgur.com/a/NjSEZcW

[red fox]

makes me actually want to try the hellbore despite hating it a long time ago