veteran-class

[barren girder]

im guessing bringing that with a purg psyk is redundant

ah gotcha

im just tryna cover my bases on what to improve on outside of not getting killed 3 times

[sonic kayak]

My primary Vet build for Havoc is plasma + smokes

[barren girder]

i think i'll touch plasma when it gets reworked

dont wanna get too used to current state

same reason i havent touched my arbites since getting it to 30

[sonic kayak]

learn 2 aim and helbore priorities, as the Vet, you're generally the best one for ranged support

Obviously don't neglect your melee

[barren girder]

yea

im wondering if i wouldve been better suited bringing 3a + armorbane

[faint beacon]

How 2 Vet

[barren girder]

but then again the cara and boss damage mk 4 did was very good

[faint beacon]

learn 2 aim

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-darktide-get-away-shoo-disappear-gif-5683568285290773389

this is why i play melee vet

can't aim for shit

[barren girder]

hm now that i think about it i could probs run WS with zarona shotty instead of just DB so it'd be a compromise between horde clear and being able to snipe specials

[sonic kayak]

Gale's Accatran shotgun build could probably work

Papa Willy has an even weirder one with that shotgun + Thunderous ChAxe

[barren girder]

huh thunderous chaxe is interesting

[narrow widget]

aim, get backshots from a silent crusher, get left 4 dead

[sonic kayak]

Basically saw into big targets, and now your flames and bleed DoTs are juiced

[barren girder]

im still brinigng up my mastery for it on zealot

but god damn it makes me question why im not just using thammer instead

they both have that same bad horde clear big single target dmg thing goin on

[sonic kayak]

You know about buying a bunch of weapons and then sacrificing them all at once?

[barren girder]

yeah

im kinda low rn though

thankfully havoc cache pops soon

but i spent like

[sonic kayak]

This works pretty well from my experience, the ChAxe is just very cumbersome

[narrow widget]

broke 😂 🫵

[barren girder]

600k trying to get a good roll for relic blade LMFAO

[deft mulch]

is there a way to skip needing to reunlock auric? Haven't played veteran in a while and really don't feel like playing 30 level 1-3 missions

[sonic kayak]

Time for some back to back Maelstroms

[sonic kayak]

AFAIK no, I was gonna say you could skip Battle for Tertium but that doesn't reset your difficulty

[hollow ibex]

If you played auric before I don’t think you need to unlock it again on that character 🤔

But if you need to grind

Do train missions

Those are like 9-12 minutes each

[deft mulch]

Does quickplay level it up faster or does that not affect it?

[hollow ibex]

QP levels you up faster because bonus xp

Assuming you can win reliably

[deft mulch]

Character is already lvl 30, I'm talking about difficulty progress

[sonic kayak]

It doesn't fill the progress bar quicker though, only completions

[deft mulch]

shid

[narrow widget]

you prob already unlocked aurics

[barren girder]

can we choose specific missions now or is it still rng dependent on whatever's on the board?

[sonic kayak]

Latter

But Orthus is missing from the board, even though you can connect to it in QP

[deft mulch]

Nope it's making me do it again, ffs

[past stratus]

it does that

[deft mulch]

level 500 weapons and max talents but I have to play lvl 1 missions

[past stratus]

yeah

I have to do it on my Zealot

[deft mulch]

thanks fatshark, I love it

[barren girder]

i dunno how they calculated it bc i havent touched my zealot and ogryn before the difficulty update and they start at damnation

[hollow ibex]

brutal

[barren girder]

or is this a new vet char?

[hollow ibex]

shit i need to check my other characters lol

[sonic kayak]

All of my old characters were able to play on Auric

[deft mulch]

It may have been that you needed to do an auric maelstrom

[sonic kayak]

It was funny doing Auric campaign missions

[grand perch]

go to barber, do personality wipe, then choose to skip intro campaign

[sonic kayak]

Imagine a world where Darktide has options to customize the user experience instead of everything being pigeon-holed into a specific form at FS's convenience

[barren girder]

yea i have to grind from damn to auric on everyone

[past stratus]

it's unfortunate that some people get caught in the cross fire but I think the difficulty thing is necessary

[hollow ibex]

ok it let me access auric on ogryn

good good

[barren girder]

tbh it is kinda funny because it's good in theory but

since everyone was on arbi

and breezing through the difficulties on arbi

theres a lot of arbis in auric/havoc that dunno what theyre doing

so it's the same effect

[hollow ibex]

they really should give people with multiple level 30 characters some sort of xp bonus

and skip the difficulty unlock bullshit

such a waste of time

[deft mulch]

this didn't work but thanks for the idea

[past stratus]

this here is real

but those people start failing missions around damnnation

so it is fine

[barren girder]

it was a pain in my ass leveling psyker

so many of them run away from hordes

[austere mica]

and you can still do the funny thing of buying a rashad at level 1

[barren girder]

for sure

[deft mulch]

I just watched a man pop a med stim while standing in front of a terminal with 4 charges

then immediately die

[slow spade]

the fact a lvl 1 bot with random gear is better than some randoms in Auric is always "interesting"

[deft mulch]

vet feels so glass cannony in havoc

[past stratus]

sometimes it is about sending a message

[deft mulch]

I bring down like 8 crushers then die to a random dreg with gun

[ember nest]

whats taxe dump again

[tame lodge]

Mob

[arctic rampart]

if your character hasnt played but was created before arb patch you'll get the option once

[tame lodge]

(the taxe itself)

[arctic rampart]

if you select to do the story then AFAIK you must do it all the way

[tame lodge]

(throw it into the garbage)

[ember nest]

oh funny I got a 60 mob from bruntbot immediately

[ember nest]

:^/

[tame lodge]

(it's usable garbage)

(but it's usable)

Pretty safe too

[ember nest]

and what's dump on rashaad

[tame lodge]

Also mobility

[ember nest]

I'm assuming brutal mommentum

headtaker?

[hollow ibex]

yup

[ember nest]

and which mark is generally the way to go

nvmn

I'm dumb

rshad is 3

[void dragon]

was there any change to the pinned guide for the Helbores? i remember something on blessings but idk if perks would be the same

[strange crow]

Pinned guide hasn’t been updated I think cause path is migrating everything to a Steam guide

[void dragon]

but what's being used on the helbore nowadays? specifically for the IIIa

[tame lodge]

Falter/Hotshot/WoF

There's also the secret no Respite for boss gimmicks

[void dragon]

what's falter useful into? dont recall what is supposed to do particularly (I know its stagger more, but when that's relevant?)

[hollow ibex]

staggering specialists iirc

that you don't one shot

[void dragon]

so kinda like if you shoot a tox bomber in the body so you always interrupt its toss?

[hollow ibex]

assume so but i've never taken falter personally

[half glade]

I can't get one thing

[void dragon]

that's for melee

[void dragon]

the second part of the blessing is what is for the helbore, whcih says it just increases the strengh of stagger

[half glade]

For my autogun build I use Onslaught talent, because it allows me to drop everything, including high armored targets if needed (and to help my team to kill them as it puts Brittleness on them rapidly). Why exactly do I need to use any braced autogun except Graia (the most rapid firing one)? It gets you the highest dps of all 3, and armor penetration doesn't matter with that talent. I don't see any other benefits in the other two tbh

[tame lodge]

Because brautos suck

[austere mica]

Agri brauto has highest cleave which makes it best for the niche

[void dragon]

if we are going there, why use anything than the Vraks autogun? the issue is that most Aguns are lacking a niche of power to answer that question, so now we have guns that are powercrept

[tame lodge]

[austere mica]

Brauto's clear more efficiently as a flamer sidegrade

[half glade]

it does BRRRR and that's what I need!

[half glade]

mmm.. and Graia just has better density of fire and more rounds per minute, so they are kinda equal in that regard. Graia is also much easier to use, due to higher rof

and lesser recoil (I believe)

[void dragon]

idk, Vraks might not cleave though a horde but it kills faster each target, sometimes achieving faster clearing on H40 hordes

[half glade]

That's the one I use on my other build, for the same reason (better rpm and dps, armor is negated by Onslaught) 🙂

Never understood why so many builds suggest to use Columnus

[hollow ibex]

prob because that's what Vraks used to be called

[neon estuary]

speaking of helbore lasgun, which one would you recommend?

[austere mica]

I said more efficient, not faster

[hollow ibex]

III or IV, though all of them are good

[half glade]

really?

[hollow ibex]

yeah they did a bunch of stupid fucking renames

that confused everyone

[void dragon]

why they used the same name to name another different gun will always confuse me

if you are keeping the name leave it on the gun that had it in the begining

[tame lodge]

The meta Columnus got renamed to Vraks
The not popular Graia got renamed to Columnus

[neon estuary]

III i can understand but the IV.... well it offers more damage but the firing rate can be problematic....

[tame lodge]

Peak Fatshark right there

[void dragon]

Question: now that Helbores are goated as long range hunters and recon is still the king of efficiency ammo consumption, what should be the niche of the infantry lasguns?

[tame lodge]

Well helby 4 is the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game so far

[hollow ibex]

weight of fire helps a lot

and it hits like a truck

[tame lodge]

That's enough to sell it

[half glade]

okay, that makes sense then

[tame lodge]

😭

[half glade]

still no idea why people hate brauto, it's not ideal (sucks at midrange alredy), but it works ok

[void dragon]

honestly the gun feels soooooooo good to toss enemies lifeles karking bodies with a singel shot

[hollow ibex]

it's ok, just power creeped pretty badly

[neon estuary]

what blessings do you recommend for the helbore lasgun?

[tame lodge]

Surgical + Falter/Weight of Fire/Hotshot

Mk5 doesn't need Weight of Fire

So Armourbane becomes available for it

Although helbys don't need the brittleness

[void dragon]

they work, but they dont feel that have a bigg leg up over Vraks, which is weird because the obesefish didnt gave them more ammo or better stagger that feel that you are making a good trade

[quick seal]

lowkey because recon lasgun does its job but better. IDK how well braced autogun does on #arbites-class but i'm sure it's better than vet

I mean, I would love to love the braced autogun. But yeah

[void dragon]

funny that recon is regarded as soo good when its damage is so averange, it just feels that it has the amo to go the long run AND the inferno blessing help it to keep up on damage

wonder how would go if the recon didnt had infernus

[neon estuary]

ok, the weight of fire really solved my problem with the helbore so i'll stick with III

[calm shard]

it'd be mid

[calm shard]

no

[quick seal]

okay.

[calm shard]

tbh the only class that can make "good" use of the brauto is zealot

they can get the most value out of its enormous suppression

[void dragon]

its already kinda mid, but it gets the job done, I fear it would be beyond garbo

[calm shard]

and have easy access to spread reduction so it actually hits things

[neon estuary]

now to choose between surgical or falter....

[void dragon]

you want surgical all the time on the Helbores

[calm shard]

how is that even a choice

[void dragon]

falter/WoF/Hotshot are the swaps

[calm shard]

surgical bro

[neon estuary]

surgical can be time consuming when dealing with large crowd

[void dragon]

Helbores L O V E crits

[tame lodge]

Surgical is mandatory

[past stratus]

so much helbore slander here today

[tame lodge]

Otherwise you're not doing shit if you hit bodies

[calm shard]

by the time it takes for your weapon to reach full charge surgical has given you 30% crit chance

[void dragon]

yeah, helbores are not vs crowds, is to say "this MF needs to die NOW"

[tame lodge]

And are losing critical Weakspot damage

[neon estuary]

oh yeah, forgot about my power sword

okey then, so surgical and weight of fire then

[void dragon]

its a solid combo, specialy for the mk IV

[neon estuary]

i'm sticking with III, firing rate is really important

[past stratus]

III already shoots pretty fast without wof

[ember nest]

the breakpoints will make up for the firing speed on the 4 vs the 3 imo

[void dragon]

JUST saying: Helbore mk IV hits hard enought to erase crusher congas and bosses with quite ease
but the other ones will provide more use when shooting the gunners and specialist you will have to deal more often

mk V would take some other blessing, armourbane can help the team while still killing smaller fries

(seriously, why the mk numbers dont line up to be in order of more damaging one to fast firing mk? its so confusing!)

[past stratus]

it is fine to start playing III if you're not used to the gun, once you're used to it animations and all. You can try IV. Though some people stay on III as well, it's not a bad Mk

[tame lodge]

It used to

😭

[quick seal]

Why did they change it?

[ember nest]

we will unironically proably never know

[strange crow]

I thought it was to make things more lore friendly? Since some of the marks were already weapons in-universe

[barren cave]

What perks are best for recon las

[strange crow]

Dumdum and infernus usually

Deathspitter if you’re using brown variant and like shooting hordes

[barren cave]

Not blessings

Perks

[strange crow]

Oh shoot my b

Reading 😔

[hollow ibex]

i use crit chance unyielding

[barren cave]

Usual flak maniac not good?

[strange crow]

I’ve heard that’s good too

But idk

[deft mulch]

You can sacrifice weapons for mastery XP? Did not know this

[quick seal]

yeah you get more mastery xp if the weapon you're sacrificing matches the weapon you're leveling

[deft mulch]

Is that when you discard or when you sacrifice the weapon like how you used to have to farm blessings

[strange crow]

Seems like flak + maniac good if not running infernus, otherwise u want crit chance (usually paired with flak)

[hollow ibex]

that'll work fine, i personally find the flakiac dps already adequate tho

and want to raise chance of proccing infernus and shock trooper

so crit chance

and kill bulwarks and bosses faster, so unyielding

[fair jay]

btw what is this bug exactly

what is the cleave on tier 1? I've been using a build that relies on cleave. For fun.

I think it's a really funny build and hate the idea of it not being as good as it could be

[sonic kayak]

So HotShot is deceptive, it does not increase your cleave but rather debuffs the enemy's hitmass by 50%, AKA half

The first tier of the blessing gives something like 80% instead of 50%

Unironically you could take the Helbore with HotShot, and pair it with the shovel for the funni

[barren girder]

im probably better off running recon las to snipe specials/elites on final toll huh? helbore enraging reapers is a bad time

[sonic kayak]

You could

I still use the plasma, nerfs be damned

[barren girder]

if they make the plasma so the charged shots are important i'll probs just treat it as a helbore sidegrade

shit's fun either way, dark angels my beloved

[sonic kayak]

I respect the First

I'm a Blood Angels guy, specifically a Lamenters guy, but I like most of the BA

[barren girder]

im usually more into the traitor legions, havent really found any loyalists that sparked my interest

well, loyalists from the original legions

theres some chapters that are really interesting

[spark canopy]

for the heavy sword, is it defense or cleave targets that's the dump stat?

[tame lodge]

Defense

[spark canopy]

goated

i'm gonna assume it's probably something like

Savage Sweep (hitting 3 enemies increases cleave)

and Rampage (hitting 3 enemies increases damage)

for the blessings

[warm schooner]

ngl, I wish one of the mods also showed the account name in party finder

arbi + console is the most common lethal patterns I've seen

[hollow ibex]

No it’s the same blessings as Rashad actually

HT BM

[sonic kayak]

Generally I reject most Arbies in H40; I like one of each class on the team and I don't really care for what build you bring, but I'm extremely passive towards Arbies

With that being said, I had a pretty decent one in my H40 last night, against my better judgement

[spark canopy]

as long as they know what they're doing i don't much mind them

[warm schooner]

that's the problem

[spark canopy]

but they're pretty damn rare

[warm schooner]

if

[hollow ibex]

HS BM is called death blow iirc

For whatever reason

[spark canopy]

this?

[sonic kayak]

It was also my first time bringing the Paul into H40

It's a deceptively serviceable weapon

[ember nest]

the what

[sonic kayak]

Power Maul

[tame lodge]

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it’s just renamed BM

[ember nest]

the...oggy weapon?

[tame lodge]

It's a good weapon

[spark canopy]

Power Maul can be fun

I like being a british with the knife

Or bonking on Crusher 'eads

[sonic kayak]

Chasm Terminus Assassination, fighting all of those gunners on the bridge at the beginning and having them shut down because of the Paul

[livid hill]

is deadshot worth it on db shotgun

[tame lodge]

Not really

If you're going weapon specialist you can get 100% easy peasy

[long dove]

man I feel like I'll never break 17 clearance

[livid hill]

what if I do it with duck n dive

[deft mulch]

should I go with Brutal Momentum or Sunder for the MKIII power sword?

[hollow ibex]

if you want to use mk3 for whatever reason, either will work though i still prefer brumentum

brumentum will kill hordes faster

[deft mulch]

Sorry meant MKVI*

[hollow ibex]

brumentum for sure

the dps loss against hordes is noticeable with sunder

[arctic rampart]

sunder is good against higher havoc, otherwise brutal momentum is king

if u cant hit heads well you could also consider headtaker as another alternative.. both worse than bm

[deft mulch]

I'm trying to get from Havoc 30 to Havoc 40 at the moment

[fleet garden]

how about using caxe with bromentum and head taker tapsforehead

[hollow ibex]

very good for havoc on arbi

not so much vet 😭

[livid hill]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f708976-3d53-4551-b021-98977a4c35ec

how is this

[fair jay]

Thanks for the info. That's, uh, really weird hehe.

[narrow widget]

also why run deadshot on a double barrel build

[livid hill]

crits

and bc the secondary attack is very strong

also manstopper

[narrow widget]

you could also just run weapon specialist instead and get a guaranteed crit every couple melee kills + instant reload

[quick seal]

nahhh who tf is that

[livid hill]

but that's for the next shot

[narrow widget]

wdym

[hollow ibex]

you kill 3 people with our rashad or whatever

and you get a free guaranteed crit

the moment you pull out the DB

and you can just keep your melee equipped and store that crit shot for when you need it

[livid hill]

ig?

[narrow widget]

also longshot on a shotgun is crazy

[livid hill]

wait what

[hollow ibex]

lets you do funny things like this

[livid hill]

oh

accident

[livid hill]

i mean I suppose i get what you mean but generally db can do that anyways. I will try this tho

[livid hill]

whats wrong with stam regen?

[hollow ibex]

Having a guaranteed crit to proc both manstopper and flechette is a very big deal

[livid hill]

ohhh I see what youre getting at

[narrow widget]

desperado is just more impactful as a node imo

[livid hill]

are you sure deathspitter wouldnt be better? cause thats just strngth all around

[fair jay]

Stamina regen is nice but i think they're just saying desperado is a good talent to have if you're taking a melee attack speed talent

means you want to use your melee... so why not desperado?

[narrow widget]

esp when ur taking tac axe

[hollow ibex]

6 stacks of bleed on everything you touch and infinite cleave or a bit more damage in cqc?

You can put bleed stacks on an entire horde wave basically

[fair jay]

Honestly now i want to make a build like that for any missions with low visibility

i'm really bad at shooting at stuff when the power is out lol

[livid hill]

also unrelated but like, why dont more people run recon with weapon specialist?

it gives you extra crit and also faster firing speed and reloading etc

it meshes very well ime

i hear noone talking abt it tho

[narrow widget]

recon benefits less from swapping between weapons a lot, and benefits a lot from nodes in the left tree

[hearty panther]

learn the reload tech

[livid hill]

how so?

[fair jay]

I'm very inexperienced, what reload tech for what?

[livid hill]

also, you can easily have both

i have a build like that

[strange crow]

The main benefit of WS on ranged weapons is guaranteed crit, but 2 extra crit shots every once in a while doesnt mean much for recon

[strange crow]

+30% weakspot damage, +15% elite damage, shock trooper, +25% ammo reserves

[sonic kayak]

I assume he means reload canceling?

Many weapons can be reload canceled to varying degrees, some are more notable like on the plasma gun

[livid hill]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f708976-3d53-4551-b021-98977a4c35ec

marksman focus is literally so bad that its not worth taking imo

WAIT fuck did it wrong

[past stratus]

MMF is impractical, the bonus itself is good

if you can keep up

[fair jay]

i've been goofing around in scrub lobbies with a marksman tunnel vision build with deadshot helbore and hot-shot rank 1. It's, okay

it does let you stack up the stacks really fast if you actually get several weak spot kills in one or two shots

[livid hill]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f708976-3d53-4551-b021-98977a4c35echttps://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f708976-3d53-4551-b021-98977a4c35ec

sorry

[livid hill]

impractical generally means bad

[fair jay]

and getting 10% rending all the time is pretty nice

[livid hill]

if you have to work with a talent rather than a talent working for you, the talent is bad

imo

[fair jay]

I think that's a fair assessment to make, though it depends on how hard you have to work with the talent and if working with it plays contrary to how to play the game

... MMF probably makes you play contrary to how to play the game

[past stratus]

if you say MMF is bad someone will come here and say "it is not bad you just have to hit every single headshot" ☝️ 🤓

[fair jay]

[narrow widget]

@calm shard

https://tenor.com/view/batman-signal-aura-dark-señal-gif-2752502943183935479

[fair jay]

I think MMF could work if it had a few extra ways to work with it. Like, weakspot melee kills also give you that 3s timer to move around

[livid hill]

okay I'm not good enough to make it work ig is a better assessment

[fair jay]

like that's the biggest annoyance I have with mmf, if you melee you suffer

and this is darktide

[past stratus]

yeah that's how I say it now. I made a mistake that saying that MMF was bad here and got a lecture for it

[livid hill]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f708976-3d53-4551-b021-98977a4c35ec

but yeah no what im trying to say is recon + ws is good, even if I did misunderstand the crit stat

it still has the fire rate this and the reloading really really really helps

[honest quiver]

every time i click that it takes me to the build editor

but it's like not your build

i think u might need to share a different link

[livid hill]

sorry

[honest quiver]

i forgive u

[livid hill]

i dont

[past stratus]

Recon doesn't really benefit from it because the ranged portion of WS is for one single shot

you could just have Focus Target and benefit from it through the whole duration

[livid hill]

the fire rate isnt

[sonic kayak]

MMF is very good, bonuses are stellar

With that being said, it's DOGSHIT because the game pretty much punishes you for standing still, unless you are actively collaborating with your team, then MMF is just not worth it, unless you are on a hardcore Helbore build, or maybe the laspistol (or lasgun)

[sonic kayak]

If you can maintain your stacks? Is a very nice

[past stratus]

Also the Recon wants to keep firing as long as it can while WS is more of a flow of swapping between melee and ranged

[honest quiver]

10 stacks, 10 shots

on recon idk

[livid hill]

eh

[past stratus]

in fact to fully use WS you need to spend more time in melee

[sonic kayak]

Oh hey Malo, how was your date?

[honest quiver]

i think it'd be better if it were timed rather than based on shots

[honest quiver]

fine, chicken parm fucking sucked but we had a good time

it was a thing for his mom's birthday so it was us and his family

[livid hill]

yeah but the fire rate and reloading though

[sonic kayak]

Sorry about the food, but I'm happy you enjoyed yourselves

[livid hill]

and also youre gonna have to use melee a lot anyways thats the nature of the game

[honest quiver]

[livid hill]

you cant play this game like cod zombies

[past stratus]

You mean the reload nodes?

[honest quiver]

i can do some quick and dirty testing with recon and WS

[livid hill]

no, the automatic 3.3 per stack of reload ammo loaded into clip

[past stratus]

yes thats what I mean

it's nice to have

[honest quiver]

i'll use tyrant's build

[fair jay]

make helbore laser bigger and even more cleave

i will clear hordes with it and kill elites with it

[livid hill]

i mean you can say what you will abt this build but I've done my best with veteran running this exact thing

[honest quiver]

and that's ok ur probably really good with it

[narrow widget]

about as big as plas gun and infinite cleave should do

[fair jay]

It could just be that your build is good, but not using ws is even better

[honest quiver]

focus target just might be a slightly better investment

[sonic kayak]

IMO if I'm running Recon, chances are I'm using Onslaught, and I'll just stick with a keystoneless build

Those melee talents are too good to pass up if I'm going down there

[livid hill]

also with infernus is another thing, infernus means you get a little burn instantly and burn is very helpful in any capacity ime

[sonic kayak]

My other builds don't go bottom right at all

[past stratus]

Look ok, let me put this in perspective. WS is always good if the weapon has a pull animation that allows you to properly make use of the Ranged activation, that is something that most guns have. So WS is always a positive for most guns. But it is more like, you have to stay shooting with the Recon, you objectively cannot kill anything as quick as you do with let's say a Revolver or a Helbore headshot.

So something like Focus target that lasts for longer will in general make your weapon be more hurty for longer

[livid hill]

i really dont know what to say we seem to have completely different experiences

[past stratus]

I can't be more clear than this

[honest quiver]

holy shit WS ranged attack speed lasts for an entire salvo on recon maybe

[livid hill]

usually it does for me

[honest quiver]

i'll clip one sec

[sonic kayak]

WS is not my first choice for the Recon but it's serviceable

I don't use WS that much in general except for my cursed bleed shovel + revolver build

[fair jay]

bzzzzzzzt

[deft mulch]

when should you use charged shot/uncharged shot for the plasma rifle?

[livid hill]

it literally makes it into a minigun

[sonic kayak]

Always uncharged, never charged

[past stratus]

you can use WS on pretty much anything, I think that even the Bolter can use it if you have One Motion

[livid hill]

plus its not JUST abt recon. I use shovel a lot too

[honest quiver]

holy shit lmfao

and obviously that's way more than 10 shots

[fair jay]

i like that

[narrow widget]

i use it for the extra like 3 ammo on swap

[honest quiver]

i guess it ignores shot count on recon and just sticks to the 5 second rule

[livid hill]

also the infernus gives you a little burn each time + with the other one it can give you up to like, 33 percent of your mag, when its half empty and you need to kill a lot of things, 33% keeps you significantly farther away from reloading

[fair jay]

Could it be that rof just stays for the whole duration, but the crits are per shot?

[honest quiver]

i used to use infernus but i'm using deathspitter now

since i'm running power sword

[deft mulch]

even vs bosses?

[livid hill]

and in my experience i dont really agree that the recon NEEDS to be constantly shooting. yes its good for that and suppressive fire n stuff but it doesnt NEED to be, and since shovel's secondary can easily down muties instantly I do need to switch a lot anyways

[sonic kayak]

You don't shoot bosses with the plasma gun, it's not a big game hunter

It's your perfect pocket sniper

[honest quiver]

it still lasts for just 5 seconds

[fair jay]

yeah i imagine the plasma gun dps falls off when you have to cool it, right? which you would need to vs a boss

[livid hill]

i like infernus better bc Im usually not that close and also it means if the target runs away it could still die anyways

[fair jay]

but it has huge long range burst damage?

[livid hill]

5 secs isnt nothing tho

[fair jay]

just point at scary thing and it vanishes

[deft mulch]

wait, so it's just for taking out gunners and stuff? that seems like a lot of gun to waste on those

[honest quiver]

and the ranged attack speed buff lasts beyond the 5 second counter during sustained fire

after the salvo ends though the buff goes away

interesting

[sonic kayak]

Plasma's strength is the immense cleave, anything that shoots you, you can shoot back, including through cover

[deft mulch]

ah, okay thanks

[livid hill]

the thing with focus target is that its good but it also sort of inhibits your ability to like, warn your team of things. because the buff resets every time you ping

[fair jay]

right nobody will stop you from killing that dumb bomber either

[sonic kayak]

It has no spread, not affected by suppression so you don't get any sway, and you can basically shoot any specialist or gunner through any horde

[livid hill]

also the stacks stack soooooo slow usually enemies dont even last for a single stack after you ping them, which makes it only really that useful for ogryns and bosses

[sonic kayak]

So basically, the perfect pocket sniper

[livid hill]

that's my case for ws over focus target for recon

[sonic kayak]

If you overhead from spamming uncharged shots, well, you don't blow up

[livid hill]

and ur not even using it on the torrent lasgun either

[honest quiver]

oh yeah

[livid hill]

you need to be specifically with people who you are actively talking with so you can coordinate it in order to make it work because you constantly need cover

I cant do that bc I dont have a mic on my computer

[sonic kayak]

ngl I do use it on the lasgun, easy to pull out and snipe, and then protect myself if I need to

[honest quiver]

LMFAO

that's pretty fun

[livid hill]

its good if that works for you but ive tried that and I cant do it personally

[fair jay]

i think that is loud/rapid enough to turn some heads in pubs

i think i might try that out just to do that lol

[honest quiver]

yeah i'm about to give it a whirl

[fair jay]

I am the gunner now

[sonic kayak]

Ultimately that's what it all goes down to, practicality

[livid hill]

plus with exec stance which makes it more accurate and it eats gunners alive

[sonic kayak]

Most cases FT or WS just slot straight into your gameplay

[livid hill]

also its good at supression

[sonic kayak]

MMF you kind of have to play for

I used to be a Battlefield player so I rock FT on most of my stuff, I don't mind the spotting

[honest quiver]

may i ask why you chose not to use the left side of this particular node group tyrant

[narrow frost]

my eyes

they bleed

[sonic kayak]

Onslaught

[livid hill]

onslaught is good, stam is good, running helps bc I already got a lot of stam

I usually try not to RUN always cause like, sliding, but also it can be handy sometimes and Im not gonna make a 2 node detour just to get trench fighter

i cant even afford it

[narrow widget]

desperado itself is worth it

and reciprocity

[fair jay]

wait nvm you do for onslaught

i dumb

[livid hill]

i do the dodgy means crit thing, not desp

desperado is verr good but this is a 70% ranged focus build

[honest quiver]

i'm gonna make some adjustments and i'll get back to you

[livid hill]

i just wish this tree was more...... versatile... like arby

or ogryn

[honest quiver]

yeahh

[deft mulch]

is Only In Death Does Duty End worth bringing for Havoc? It's quite nice tro be able to instant res teammates despite the extra cooldown

[honest quiver]

maybe the rework will fix this

[livid hill]

this tree is so stiff

[fair jay]

i hate this shape yes

gross

[livid hill]

i dont get why they cant make the center tax node an actual upgrade rather than a toughness buff

[honest quiver]

i mean i just dropped counter-fire to keep onslaught, drop duck and dive, pick up close quarters killzone, and have trench fighter drill

[narrow widget]

you could maybe j pick one path at top so you have more free points for bottom but idk whether you want to swap off exhilirating takedown

[livid hill]

i never used that it was a misclick

what u posted is literally my build lol

[narrow widget]

lmao

[honest quiver]

i think dropping counter-fire to get this is worth tbh

[livid hill]

except i take suppression i find suppression is quite useful

[tame lodge]

Not really

[livid hill]

i agree tbh exec stance recharges so fast extending it doesnt matter too much ime, also plus that killing specialists means lower cooldown too

[tame lodge]

The causes of death are usually big chunks of armored guys, Ragers, fire everywhere or gun shots

[honest quiver]

everything else is just the same as the build you posted, i'm about to try it out in-game

[tame lodge]

Try to res someone in the middle of all that and he might live for a couple more seconds before going down again

[honest quiver]

run and gun

[vague wigeon]

It looks very strange...

[calm shard]

it is bad

[vague wigeon]

I'd say that reciprocity and desperado could really help you

[calm shard]

people exaggerate it tho

[vague wigeon]

It's... Kinda fine when you can maintain stacks

Problem is that maintaining them is kinda...

Fighting the game itself

[calm shard]

I don't even bother trying to maintain them

I just headshot some trash enemies when I need them

and let it be a passive damage boost otherwise

[vague wigeon]

I do have lashun build with exe stance and mf

[livid hill]

its like if, say, portal had an upgrade that gave you bonuses if you didnt use the gun for 60 seconds

[deft mulch]

free cake

[vague wigeon]

But I run camouflage and toughness regen nodes as well

So it kinda passive bonuses Indeed

[vague wigeon]

Why you you want to run exe stance tho?

[livid hill]

is fun :)

[vague wigeon]

Kinda agree

[livid hill]

and also yelling feels a little cheesy.

[vague wigeon]

I advise you to try build of this dude

https://youtu.be/BnH0-cVd6ho?feature=shared

It's boring but effective

And iirc it has exe variation

Or, well, you can just adjust it

[livid hill]

i might ty

[deft mulch]

so many UI mods in that video

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1393250152923402271/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.07.11_-_10.16.25.21.DVR_online-video-cutter.com.mp4?ex=687e5a51&is=687d08d1&hm=c9bba3616764f9dc7a30f984f5e02889d4168c88f4bca302cc5bd2aa2e883660&

works in havocs too 👍

[vague wigeon]

You are using bolter

Guy uses revon

Recon

[calm shard]

oh with recon

uuuh

i dno

easier to see things

1 extra free point to put into like

trench fighter drill

[livid hill]

do you think chainsword would mesh well with dbsg

[austere mica]

No

Overlapping niche

and chainsword has terrible carapace speed

[deft mulch]

this is kind of a blast

as someone who doesn't use lasguns very often

[umbral scaffold]

I’ll be checking it out also

[deft mulch]

I will say the recon lasgun does eventually get sorta annoying to listen to

[tame lodge]

Beejuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[median moss]

Who doesn't love the lullaby of a weapon going AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, though?

[deft mulch]

For 3 or 4 missions sure

[deft mulch]

do mortis trials contribute to mission progression in terms of unlocking higher level ones?

figured it might break up the monotony of playing 40 level 3 missions

[unreal nova]

40? It's like 10 wins to get heresy.

[deft mulch]

I'm just being dramatic

having to do this on every character sucks ass

[supple laurel]

useless

fun, but useless

would much rather have gold toughness

[deft mulch]

kind of agreed, thunder hammer can do the same thing in less time

[supple laurel]

boss builds are useless

in general

[deft mulch]

you say that untiul you get a triple captain spawn and 2 mons

[unreal forge]

boss builds definitely not useless

in havoc only

[calm shard]

you say that but that build is 100% capable of being the only person killing elites/specialists on the team

I can, and do finish matches where I have over 100+ elite/specialist kills each and my team has like

30 between them

If I have the space to do so I will kill every single elite, specialist, and monstrosity on the map

by myself

[unreal forge]

I wish Vets did that instead of thinking themselves Zealots

[deft mulch]

nvm, blind

[deft mulch]

do you have this build posted somewhere?

[calm shard]

in this match (that I lost don't look at that part) I have 141 elite/specialist kills which is more than the rest of my team combined

admittedly by uh

1 kill lmao

since the rest of the team got 140 special/elite kills between all 3 of them

[fading yarrow]

Imagine if they add more Personalities to the four base classes down the line

I'd love a Krieger just to see what they'd do

[calm shard]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9edec46b-39c2-4705-9e7c-7d813b98c72c/havoc-exe-stance-bolter the literal only one that I do

lucky you!

actually I think I stopped using volley adept in favor of tactical reload+marksman

[ember nest]

This requires the team to keep the fodder off of them

[unreal forge]

true

[calm shard]

every havoc wipe it's always the same

team doesn't bring horde clear

wipe when overrun by ragers+poxers

[ember nest]

If the team brings clear a vet can absolutely paste elites with exe stance

[ember nest]

cavalcade and shattering

https://tenor.com/view/he-is-the-messiah-monty-gif-19570851

[calm shard]

yeah

exe bolter does so much fucking damage that puncture isn't super necessary

[ember nest]

Mfw the boss just gets fucking deleted

[calm shard]

can replace cavalcade with surgical if you want more crit while using the gun "normally"

[ember nest]

I was using that on a castigator arbites

I can imagine that with exe it would go ham

(And also the footage of u deleting the pogryn)

My only thing is how do you keep up your uh

Your ammo

[unreal forge]

people srsly sleep on cavalcade

so good at melting bosses

[calm shard]

You bully the rest of your team into giving it all to you

[ember nest]

Its peak

[calm shard]

cavalcade also helps with killing a lot of clumped elites while ADS

if your aim is REALLY on point

[ember nest]

Hmm

I'd have to see that in practice

[supple laurel]

You dont need that to kill elites but okay

[ember nest]

I don't think thats what was being implied

[deft mulch]

the thing that usually screws over my teams are either groups of ogryns, groups of ragers/maulers, or bosses

all of which that build is excellent at dealing with (if you have ammo)

[honest quiver]

heavy laspistol on vet feels super weird

[faint beacon]

Confirmed kill abuse is honestly 90% of why I can survive in Havoc with no golden

[honest quiver]

i don't think i like it..

[faint beacon]

Mainly the sheer elite spam and specials will constantly have it up

[scenic vapor]

ight let me take a crack at this rn

or in like 40 minutes coz i need to get some randoms on party finder first and im EU

[ember nest]

Good luck lol

[calm shard]

Yeah to just kill elites

to kill all of them including crushers and maulers

by yourself

yes

[deft mulch]

do you just mag dump everything or do you bother to actually scope in for snipers and such

[calm shard]

I don't mag dump ever with bolter really

waste of ammo

[deft mulch]

unless it's a boss right in front of you and you can actually hit every shot

I assume

[calm shard]

yes

[deft mulch]

is there any way to keep it going after a bolter reload or is it just too long to retain volley fire

[half glade]

Thank you for sharing it, I'm having tons of fun with it today 😄

different from the one I played before, it's more like a stealthy viking style of play 😄

double barrel feels too weak still

like it can't even kill a dog with guarantee at close range, unless you aim really well

you are not supposed to aim with a shotgun at all lol

[tame lodge]

Veterans not beating the can't aim allegations

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[calm shard]

any reload speed boost is enough if you reload IMMEDIATELY after killing something

[half glade]

I can't aim even if my life depends on it lol, that's why I use brauto for my "left guy" veteran 😑

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/smizing-gif-19588019

[hollow ibex]

yeah usually i just melee them tbh

dogs are super easy to bait

and then you just wack them

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/hMg3UIX

[hollow ibex]

outplayed

[scenic vapor]

rookie mistake

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/BGqxr4L todays conversation in vet chat made me feel inspired to take clips of regular exe helbore gameplay so I have actual examples of how the playstyle functions and the value it brings to the team

[strange crow]

The video has some interesting perk choices lol, I’d prob stick to more mainstream build options to start out

[scenic vapor]

cool im still gonna run powersword tho

[hollow ibex]

typical youtuber moment

[calm shard]

it's not a super unconventional recon build

it uses onslaught (and misses a few usual mainstays because of such)

but otherwise seems pretty normal

I rate it "It's not the way I would build for recon lasgun but it sure works" out of 10

[strange crow]

I mean it’s got onslaught, MkXII recon, opening salvo, and he makes some interesting alternate recommendations too left of tree, no reciprocity, no close order drill or confirmed kill

[scenic vapor]

not a bad rating at all

[strange crow]

I agree it’s not terrible but some of the choices are a bit silly

[calm shard]

I haven't used close order drill in my last....god I wanna say 120 levels of veteran?

I stopped using that for one motion+O4B a loooooooong time ago

even on exe vet

it's too difficult to throw away my shredders instantly regenning me to full

and the doubled melee toughness regen

[strange crow]

Oh yeah fs I’m not saying that’s not an option, but choosing the left side over the middle or right side is kinda unorthodox

[calm shard]

I have a deep seated longing for exhilarating takedown

literally if it wasn't below longshot and was moved to where longshot is

I would drop a grenade regen for it

[strange crow]

Hahaha

[unreal forge]

I think the boss killing aspect is the cooler one

your Helbore would be one-shotting those guys even without Exestance, no?

I bet you could kill a Pogryn with like 10 shots to the head in H40

[red fox]

i've started to realise this actually

I still dupm into a crowd of ragers/shotgunners but been practicing doing ads one shots instead

way more effective and efficient

i feel like soooo much shit spawns in auric stg that i can't afford to dump into every horde of specialists

[fair jay]

Oh hey deadshot mf tunnel vision

‘S been what I’ve been doing hehe, though with hot-shot which probably makes the build worse. just working on what melee weapon I want to use.

Using the shortest charge time mark helbore for it and trying to think about what the second blessing should be to go with the hot-shot.

Do you use the +15% rending at 10+ stacks node of mf?

[calm shard]

no

waste of a talent point when using helbore IV

and vastly outclassed by the +10% rending for free at all times right next to bring it down when not

[fair jay]

Why is that? I’m asking because I’m very uneducated with darktide. I tried doing some quick google searches to see if there was an easy reason of like how much is ‘enough’ rending or if you use that brittleness blessing which means less rending needed or something

But I’m just guessing at this point

[tall torrent]

helbore's ADMs are generally high across the board

[calm shard]

depends on a weapon by weapon basis

Helbore doesn't need rending/brittleness unless it's Helbore V

Helbore IV has the kind of armor damage that means it usually 2 shots crushers/maulers

So getting extra rending isn't really helping

Any weapon that has a "penetration" stat allows you to view their ADMs (armor damage modifiers) in game by inspecting them iirc

[red fox]

im glad you nerds are here to math shit out for idiots like me

[unreal forge]

really bad veteran player got uppity at me because I didn't bring thunderous for my blessings

cried for literally the entire match at it

incredible

(my weapons don't even have the option to get thunderous)

[fair jay]

I actually don't know how to read the helbore's stats, it suggests the mark IV only does 5% damage to crushers/maulers? But I know that isn't true

I have to be reading something wrong here

[tall torrent]

this is uncharged shots' ADM

charged shots use a different set of ADMs

that aren't listed here

don't think abt it too much tbh

refer to this for helbore IV builds

[fair jay]

I'm thinking about it because the suggestion to inspect it came up and I was using Rending on my Helbore

<.<

[barren cave]

What is the dump Stat on relic blade

[surreal rune]

mobility

[sly orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blast-off-launch-cat-jumping-into-camera-gif-6639037559618288527

[unreal forge]

not +flak?

y not

[tall torrent]

cuz it changes like nothing?

[unreal forge]

damn

[tall torrent]

by default it'll 1hs scab gunner without crit (havoc)
and even with +25% flak u won't get scab rager 1hs (havoc)

[unreal forge]

ts pmo 🥀

[tall torrent]

I think the best is maniac + unyielding

[junior grail]

Trying to build an Exe Stance vet makes me realise how painful it is to maintain Toughness as Vet

[red fox]

yea but don't you feel the hair growing back on your balls

[junior grail]

Clutching as an exe stance vet does feel like my balls grew half a size larger

[red fox]

That's real toughness comrade

please fatshark please buff exec stance

[unreal forge]

I wonder if Vet could get an ability that loads from reserve to magazine

[austere mica]

Old exe stance used to reload like PBB does

Was removed because of bolter double mag dumps

And similar schenanigans

[red fox]

I feel like just increase my reload speed, and more toughness generation on kill or something

then it's really like a kill or die skill

[scenic vapor]

sometimes i just want a whole vet team with different voices

[grand perch]

There was an ultra rare banter if you had 4 vets in the squad

Can't find it right now but I want more of that

[scenic vapor]

pls ping me if u do

[grand perch]

I think the rarest one I heard was the mention of rough riders

[scenic vapor]

i did a havoc a bit ago and my professional was talked with lose cannon about deserting morrow

[grand perch]

https://youtu.be/9jxXPgZbfuo?si=fydrJRm0EUhVrEkD
Around 7:50 rough riders mentioned by @faint beacon

[scenic vapor]

ok thats cool

[unreal forge]

playing w bots should give u a similar result

I forget bots are a thing

[scenic vapor]

bots are no fun

[vague wigeon]

I remember when exe stance reload would also cool your plasma

Tho it was before plasma got any cleave to basically it was still shit

[steep flower]

Catch-a-Breath, Out for Blood & Confirmed Kill are your friends; use them all

[latent ferry]

Bots are extremely dumb in this game

[unreal bone]

Chat

I hate havoc

[balmy flume]

Oof

Combo straight from Hel itself

[safe kestrel]

What level is this?

[unreal bone]

Havoc 30

Because I KEEP getting chasm station with heinous and pox

so it's always a derank

We enter the literal FIRST area right after we spawn in

[safe kestrel]

Wew

[unreal bone]

Twin plague ogryns

[lime cedar]

Without pain there's no gain 😛

[safe kestrel]

Nah boss + gas + rituals? That sucks

[unreal bone]

I get it all the fucking time

and heinous rituals is so busted because it REQUIRES you to go fast

which hits triggers

[safe kestrel]

You do have a boss killer set up?

[unreal bone]

I had 2 arbitrators and an ogryn

[lime cedar]

Not rly, spots are kinda same so you know where to hold and push

[faint beacon]

Red + Purple + Gas would be understandable

[safe kestrel]

A lot of people don’t know how to run abritrator

[unreal bone]

You know chasm station how you drop down that ledge and enter the pipe room

[safe kestrel]

Rituals + gas sounds like real bullshit

[unreal bone]

It is

The floor is lava, but oh don't worry

We'll spawn Karnak twins ALONG with the heinous ritual

So the floor is more lava

[lime cedar]

Still better then red colour I feel like 😄

[grand perch]

Chasm with rituals is legit stupid

[unreal bone]

Rituals in general is stupid

[safe kestrel]

(Judge voice) THE FLOOR IS DAMNATION

[grand perch]

5 or 6 bosses and more coming sometimes I'm the first two rooms

Like what

[unreal bone]

I've had red + yellow + green

I get all the absolute dogshit modifier combos

[safe kestrel]

Hell nah. Rituals and gas is a time nightmare

[lime cedar]

Well time to take break or lower down 😄

[unreal bone]

I deranked from that shitty chasm into

Refinery Delta-17 with red yellow enemies

[lime cedar]

I like these two

[unreal bone]

Agreed

[lime cedar]

Especially now with arbies who can stay in green

Usually seen arbie who just staying in gas with ogryn and rest chilling in da back

[safe kestrel]

Healing plus rituals plus gas is a real troll

[lime cedar]

Well spawn one hex and you get rekted

Anyway , just wanna say knifes on zealots sucks

[safe kestrel]

Rituals itself is ok. If a team is truly cohesive it’s not bad. Otherwise it’s a vibe check failed

[sudden cedar]

Staying inside the Gas is not a good idea, in any case.

[safe kestrel]

We minced two hex demons in 40 yesterday with sin and potato

[unreal bone]

I've killed hexbounds alone with my arbitrator

but like

[safe kestrel]

He was running a heavy killer arby setup

[unreal bone]

Heinous is so astromonically worse than every other modifier it's not even funny

[safe kestrel]

Can be a lot

[unreal bone]

It's the only modifier to my knowledge that actively FORCES you to do something or suffer

[safe kestrel]

That’s the shitty part. If you take enough damage through the game it’s a long ass mission

[unreal bone]

Every other modifier you can get around by just playing the game, except heinous

[safe kestrel]

Twins aren’t so bad except that asshole throwing out the mines

Everyone hates the melee sister but it’s really that gun bitch that annoys me

[sudden cedar]

I disagree. But opinions differ.

[safe kestrel]

If it’s not the Karnak map killing the gun twin first makes it easier because he doesn’t aggro

[unreal bone]

Karnak twins on their own is okay, it's when you get joint custody battles from multi-boss spawns

When you're fighting a horde, specials, karnak twins, and say an admonition champion

it becomes a certified bruh moment

[safe kestrel]

Believe me I know what you mean

I had a 25 that people couldn’t handle because of mandatory 4 boss spawn at the start. No rituals even just red and pus

[unreal bone]

Multi-monstrosity is okay

but monstrosity + karnak/champ

or karnak + champ

is ass

[muted peak]

Me looking at this when I can't even kill one boss alone:

[safe kestrel]

Yea the captains are more difficult in conjunction because they stay on your ass

[crimson pebble]

swords captain is miles harder then crusher capt

[safe kestrel]

Idk I think normal captains are about the same

It’s the limited damage you can put on them at a time that’s a nuisance

So they’re there for a certain amount of time no matter what

Sword captain still has that troublesome long range attack like Rinda though

[deft mulch]

if you were going to recommend a basic mod list for someone just getting into it, what would you recommend?

never really felt like I needed it but it does seem kinda nice to have some of the UI elements

[red fox]

Am i crazy, i feel like these are headshots but the game's like nah

why do i feel like im doing less damage than in meatgrinder

[tame lodge]

Hit reg issues? Yeah we got those

More than we should

[deft mulch]

side note, is Quickplay still the best option for Plasteel farming? You seem sto get quite a bit from Mortis Trials but those often take a while to finish

[crimson pebble]

idk why but the bolt pistol specifically is just hitreg problem central for me

[normal bay]

Quickplay is still better in my experience. Shorter if nothing else

[red fox]

oh is that a thing!?

I SWEAR IM HITTING THESE GUNNERS IN THE BIG YELLOW H EAD

[normal bay]

The aiming gets wonky after the first shot

Bolter is the same

Helbore has slightly misaligned sights too, in my experience. You need to aim higher for headshots

[deft mulch]

is the bolter alt attack into shot worth using

[safe kestrel]

Btw I’d rather have a hammer zealot on my team that knows what he’s doing over a random arby tbh

[red fox]

I feel this kinda for bolter too tbh

Am i crazy? i swear to god im lining these shots perfeclty, like standing still no movement, white x marker

[unreal bone]

Crazy just how much easier this game is without heinous rituals

OH MY GOD

https://tenor.com/view/cat-share-this-cat-if-you-already-lost-your-mind-insane-lost-your-mind-share-this-gif-11044010788421076558

Get heinous rituals > absolutely buttfucked till derank > get non heinous ritual, it's easy as shit and rank back up > heinous rituals again

I'm so glad I get heinous ritual daemonhosts now

and power supply daemonhosts too

[crimson pebble]

rituals is the easiest untill its bugs and starts fast ticking then instantly not good

[unreal bone]

It literally does this every time

and rituals is easy if you don't get multi boss spawns

which you always do

[deft mulch]

yeah or when a horde spawns and your team just goes "oh I know a horde literally just spawned but we're going to push to the demonhost anyway"

[unreal bone]

Imagine trying to rush down a heinous while getting your asshole pounded in by the twins

[unreal bone]

Sometimes you have to

because the daemonhost sometimes just breaks

and starts rapidly ticking up for no reason

[deft mulch]

keyword sometimes, and it needs to be communicated

[unreal bone]

Keyword sometimes indeed

[crimson pebble]

also to keep in mind most pubs dont understand the concept the ritual basically doesnt tick at all if you dont fuck w it unless it bugs instantly

[unreal bone]

however for me

it's pretty much every time

[deft mulch]

the amount of people in this game that refuse to use microphones in high havoc is saddening

communication is so OP

[bleak oasis]

Here me out- Plasma pistols for vets.

[crimson pebble]

iv pubbed to hav40 all three resets w out once using mic so idk

[deft mulch]

our plasma rifles basically are plasma pistols to a space marine

(correct me if I'm wrong)

[unreal bone]

Yo how do you turn off screenshake

[deft mulch]

it''s not required but it helps a lot

[bleak oasis]

Like, give the current plasma gun added draw time since it draws fast like a pistol already
But buff its damage
Then give the plasma pistol the current plasma gun stats, but make it overheat a helluva lot faster

[unreal bone]

oh I figured it out

God camera sway intensity set to 0 is so much nicer

[sudden cedar]

@deft mulch The Plasma Gun for the Veteran is a Plasma Gun. There is a difference in between a gun and a pistol. And if anything, it is downsized version of the Space Marine Plasma Gun or maybe a Plasma Gun adapted for the use by normal humans.

[deft mulch]

thank you for clarification

[sudden cedar]

It may roughly be the same design

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Plasma_gun

[carmine zealot]

There are also plasma pistols for regular humans.

Guard colonels and captains often carry one.

[unreal bone]

Welp

Time to try this heinous ritual run again

[bleak oasis]

Are the captain bosses using plasma pistols, by the way

[unreal bone]

Some do

Depends

[bleak oasis]

Or are they just one handing guns

[unreal bone]

Plasma or shotgun

[carmine zealot]

One handing guns, I think.

[bleak oasis]

One-handing a 2-handed plasma gun?

[carmine zealot]

The plasma pistol is a bit more compact than that.

[unreal bone]

Ngl I wish we had plasma pistol for vet

[carmine zealot]

They took the True Grit skill.

[heavy rover]

they have a name in 40k, so they get to have that buff

[bleak oasis]

My point is- Maaaaaaybe you can just... Chop the heretical parts off the captain plasma pistols, make it glue blue instead of red and then gave it to the vet as the promised new gun™

Plasma pistols will just be a quickdraw revolver with a massive magazine, but overheats in like 4 shots

[crimson pebble]

my prediction is vet will get a new gun next update aswell as some tweaks maybe a map and whatever that new gun is will also be shared w arbites seeing as zealot had to share crusher

[carmine zealot]

On TT plasma pistols are way more common than full guns, because the latter are special support weapons in the same category as grenade launchers, flamers, and meltaguns.

Whereas anyone can take pistols.

Even Space Marine Captains can't normally take plasma guns (they can take combi-plasma though).

[bleak oasis]

Ratling Class when
Give them the dedicated sniper role with longlas and sniper autos

[red fox]

guys

[crimson pebble]

aatartes plasma guns were also completely redesigned when primaris came

[red fox]

fellas

friends

comrades

[heavy rover]

buddies?

[red fox]

please don't be the stealth vet that runs past everything and sits in elevator

[bleak oasis]

Give exec vets an identity crisis

[red fox]

holy fuck

[carmine zealot]

Yes the new Primaris Plasma is totally different.

[bleak oasis]

Granted.
I shall do so with a shroudfield zealot instead.

[red fox]

i got legit brain damage watching taht loser run off, even lose stealth trigger all rooms and not fight any of it

[deft mulch]

this would be cool, but I wanna see techpriests first

I want one of their blitz abilities to be a shoulder arm laser or something like that

[bleak oasis]

Activating a wall of gunners and reapers in a massive section of the map so you're actually forced to use guns in a predominantly-melee game

[carmine zealot]

It gets better. The recent Kill Team gave them a full-on anti-materiel rifle.

[bleak oasis]

wo

[red fox]

what was the point of that asshole honeslty, why do people play like that?

[deft mulch]

was it in Havoc?

[red fox]

no

lmao

[crimson pebble]

welcome back wilhelm/zane

[red fox]

it's heresy im helping a friend learn the game

[deft mulch]

that's why, they're just trying to finish it as fast as possible

[red fox]

legitimately awful

[deft mulch]

when the arbities update came they made everyone play lvls 1-5 again so they're probably trying to grind it out

[bleak oasis]

Solo strat, but they forgot players aren't bots, and don't magically teleport into the elevator when they push the button

[deft mulch]

blame fatshark honestly

[carmine zealot]

It's called the Tankstopper Rifle or something. Used by the "Big Shot" of the Kill Team.

[bleak oasis]

How do they, you know
Carry it

[red fox]

it's such an awful thing to play with i can't imagine waht kinda person you need to be to do that

[carmine zealot]

They can move and fire with it too.

[deft mulch]

I think this is it

[unreal bone]

First havoc run someone leaves like 2 minutes into the mission

https://tenor.com/view/cat-share-this-cat-if-you-already-lost-your-mind-insane-lost-your-mind-share-this-gif-11044010788421076558

[deft mulch]

wait no

this is it

[bleak oasis]

It... Looks like a regular scout marine sniper rifle

[carmine zealot]

It's the one that looks like a hotshot volley gun crossed with a long las.

[deft mulch]

this is the image they have on the wh40k Lexicanum

[carmine zealot]

That one.

Like a small lascannon.

[dry niche]

They really brought a whole ass chicken

[deft mulch]

wouldn't you?

[carmine zealot]

Ratlings are triple rations types.

Second breakfast enjoyers.

[deft mulch]

I mean they're basically space hobbits

[steep flower]

Lmao no; you had an option to skip that entirely

[deft mulch]

only on one character, I hit the skip button on every other character and it still made me do it

[carmine zealot]

And they steal anything.

[autumn ferry]

you cannot skip the grind for unlocking new difficulties

its ass man

[steep flower]

Weird cause i did not had that problem

[carmine zealot]

It's 10 Damnation games to unlock Auric.

[deft mulch]

it let me skip it on Zealot but every other class I'm having to grind it out again

it's really fucking annoying

I think if you completed an auric maelstrom on that character before the update then it autoskips it but citation needed

[sudden cedar]

It let me skip it on every character.

[autumn ferry]

if you were already playing lots of high level missions on that class you start with them unlocked but if its a new character you have to do it

[unreal bone]

Brother what is this fucking

[steep flower]

I choose to do campaign on arby cause i wanted to see what they did and had to grind up to unlock highier difficulty tiers on him but the rest of my characters? Nope they were available to do auric immediately

[sudden cedar]

The Arbitrator may have had that option too, but i don't remember that because i chose to do it to see whats up with that.

[unreal bone]

4 bosses in literally 10 seconds of starting the mission

Double chaos spawn with BoN and hexbound daemonhost

[deft mulch]

I've been level 30 on every class since a week after beta ended, and it still made me do it

[autumn ferry]

suffer

[carmine zealot]

I didn't skip. Big mistake.

[steep flower]

Maybe you need to click on the lil squares above the difficulty word in the mission panel so you can increase the lv

[deft mulch]

I mean fuck I'd spend my entire bank of 100k plasteel just to skip this grind

[deft mulch]

my guy how dense do you think I is

[steep flower]

I refuse to believe it worked for me but not for you; a beta player no less

[sudden cedar]

I agree with that.

[unreal bone]

Yeah no I also played beta, leveling arbite was ass

[steep flower]

Quite; a frog has good memory but ain’t too bright (i’m messing with ya btw)

[deft mulch]

I haven't done it on my Psyker yet, I'll record it and show you

just did the skip thing and it only skipped to Heresy, so I have no idea what's happening now

[unreal bone]

The fact that the mission terminal unlocks are account

and instead are character locked

is kinda dumb imo

[ember nest]

Did you click the "do the story" button that they gave everyone this patch

I think u did

[deft mulch]

Nope

I clicked hold to skip campaign

[ember nest]

I don't believe you

[sudden cedar]

Maybe he simply isn't allowed to play above Heresy, who knows.

[steep flower]

Unless mah boi only reached heresy & can’t play above cause never did

[deft mulch]

clearly the game thinks I am a heretic

[ember nest]

Well go play it idk

[deft mulch]

not much else I can do but play it, at least I can get my resource bank to 200k 💀

[steep flower]

Thats the spirit my kermit friend; achieve auric

[deft mulch]

also you were right the first time, it's a turtle, though it is a muppet

it's from a Swedish Chef episode where he makes turtle soup

[carmine zealot]

Skip only gets rid of the campaign missions, IIRC. Difficulty levels have to be unlocked the old fashioned way.

[steep flower]

Yeah i had some wondering cause thats clearly a kermit in a shell

[deft mulch]

I wonder why my psyker was set to heresy then