veteran-class

[little path]

and you're only tkaing it so you can shoot crushers

[red fox]

i see i see

[fervent citrus]

ok go to mark vi as soon as i get to mastery 7

ANYWAY

i have a godroll recon with the dump being mobility

godroll plasma with the dump being stopping power

[tall torrent]

what are u talking about

there's no mk6 duelling sword either

[fervent citrus]

the power sword?

i was talking about the power sword dawg

[tall torrent]

I replied to u asking abt duelling sword

[fervent citrus]

the dueling sword's a mark IV rn

[tall torrent]

mk4 DS dump cleave dmg

for power sword just refer to this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1389421676915195914/Screencast_20250630_214427.mp4?ex=687d9bc5&is=687c4a45&hm=286609663e9ae0d5e93b440e707d290568c1cc5c984bcc6e2a714c99347a97e8&

[fervent citrus]

a full stat bolt pistol with dump being stability

a full stat revolver with the dump being crit bonus (youch)

and a fuill stat laspistol with the dump being ammo

so

[tall torrent]

boltpistol dump collateral

revolver dump mobility

laspistol dump stability for mk2, mobility for mk10

where did u come up with these info

[little path]

I think he's just listing what he has

[fervent citrus]

yeah im listing off what i got

[tall torrent]

oh ok

[fervent citrus]

if the dump stat for the recon's mobility then i got the perfect one

[little path]

ye

[fervent citrus]

oh good

i was about to guess collateral

[little path]

wait no, it is collat

[fervent citrus]

ok

uh what about the plasma gun

[little path]

plasmagun is a fucking pain to get a "god roll"

I think it's like uuuuh

69 on heat and 71 on charge rate

[fervent citrus]

i have one with full stats with the 60 dump on stopping power

[little path]

stopping power effects damage

low stopping power bad

[fervent citrus]

and not the damage stat?

what the fuck brunt

[little path]

I mean just use the recon lasgun

60 on mobility isn't that bad

[unreal bone]

If you help someone else with their havoc assignment does it rank yours up? Even if it's lower.

Or does it need to be higher than yours.

[little path]

🤷

[rugged bane]

I believe it has to be on par or higher for it to rank yours up too

[fervent citrus]

now it frightens me how much shit rolls i have on my other 3

god especially my ogryn who i used to main

[little path]

I wouldn't worry about getting godrolls too hard

[fervent citrus]

im a d2 player thats like half my autism

[unreal bone]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KC4E7ox2xT4?feature=share

LMFAO

[little path]

ogryn is the strongest class ingame now

[blazing jetty]

Wish the vigilant autogun had a little glowing dot on the front sight

Can't see where I'm aiming half of the time

[tall torrent]

both of them do

[little path]

I love using the autoguns but yeah

the sights suck ass

I like the one that has only like 35 rounds

[fervent citrus]

thats one of my problems with veteran

the infantry lasgun sight is perfect

[little path]

aboslutely awful to use but good fun

[fervent citrus]

literally perfect

then you have the other 2 lasguns and i swear to god it feels like guesswork, i dont even wanna touch the helbore because the iron sight is just a guesstimation

[gentle lake]

recon lasgun is 60 for dumpstats yeah?

[tall torrent]

collat dump

[gentle lake]

I mean mob

oh

collat? alr

[blazing jetty]

Mobility or collateral

[little path]

not the end of the world if you get one with mob

[gentle lake]

whats callateral

Funny you say that

not even 10 seconds ago I got a 60 mob one.

and I have a 60 collat one

now

[little path]

collat affects stagger, impact and suppresion

[tall torrent]

stagger is impact

[little path]

oh ye

[gentle lake]

Hmm

[little path]

bath out here watching us spread misinformation

[blazing jetty]

I remain silent because I'm clueless

[rugged bane]

Eh, Imperium and misinformation go hand in hand

Just as Big E intended

[gentle lake]

Now do I wanna trade mob over coll or vice versa..

I can always pull out my melee if I wanna be fast.

[little path]

collateral basically helps fuckall on recon

[rugged bane]

I prefer Mob because I like being fast

[little path]

you ain't staggering anything with it anyway

[rugged bane]

And yeah, Collat does fuck all

[gentle lake]

Right..

[little path]

but if you already have the 60 mob one, whatever, jut use it

[gentle lake]

oof

[little path]

dodge good

it's just auric

use whatever

[tall torrent]

what melee

because most melee weapons don't run as fast as recon lol

[gentle lake]

Which mark is the fastest shooting?

[blazing jetty]

the groin gouger

[gentle lake]

uhhh tact axe

[little path]

mk12 is highest rof

[grand perch]

the axe with tact
so well behaved

[little path]

has the highest mag size so easy to tell

[blazing jetty]

lowest damage too

[tall torrent]

yea doesn't run as fast

tac axe optimal roll is +0.4m/s sprint bonus

recon gets +0.6m/s at 80% mobility

[rugged bane]

Is the Combat Blade around the .6 m/s too?

[little path]

ew

he's using the knife's government name

[rugged bane]

Apologies

[tall torrent]

+0.8m/s at 60% mobility

[rugged bane]

Ahem, Catachan Combat Blade mk.VI

[rugged bane]

Ty

[little path]

*knife

[rugged bane]

Yeah lol, just goofin and all that

[unreal nova]

Knoife.

[rugged bane]

Das not a Knoife

[unreal nova]

Tiny knoife, still knoife.

[rugged bane]

Luv me Moebian Shiv

[gentle lake]

Time to shoot shots on my enemies 😎

[unreal nova]

You mean shank them and then shoot the trappah.

[unreal bone]

I love getting literally trolled by the game

Havoc blows

My dead teammates that I could rescue

literally got TPed into a new zone

when I ran up to revive them

[unreal nova]

It's that one bugged respawn point they never fixed.

[gentle lake]

dump stat for helbore lasgun?

guessing its stab?

[unreal bone]

This game is going to give me a literal aneurism

Here's 3 BoNs ontop of 3 Snipers Ontop of 3 Tox Bombers Ontop of 3 Hordes ontop of 3 Muties

Did you somehow tank all of that? Here's an unreachable daemonhost

[tall torrent]

stability

[gentle lake]

Yep.

[unreal nova]

Rituals is the second most BS modifier behind red imo.

[tall torrent]

red is peak tho

[unreal nova]

Nu. Most BS at 300 ping.

[unreal bone]

Nah bro it's THe most bs

What is this

[gentle lake]

Im guessing helbore lasgun ain't good on havoc.

[grand perch]

youre guessing wrong then

[gentle lake]

The fuck

[grand perch]

top 3 guns in havoc

[unreal bone]

Bro what is this fucking

4 hexbound daemonhosts

at the same time

I'm actually just going to manually demote myself anytime I see heinous rituals

it's genuinely the worst modifier

[unreal nova]

Excise vault?

[unreal bone]

Dark Communion

[unreal nova]

Excise also suffers from speedrun DH or suffer 3 of them.

At the same time.

[unreal bone]

Dude it's like genuinely

Every time I have gotten heinous rituals

I might aswell bend over and spread my cheeks myself

It doesn't matter how ungodly sweaty I play

I mean I'm able to dish out so much damage on arbite that I can almost 4 shot an admonition champion

[barren girder]

for the agripinaa shotgun, do i only use the slugs to open up bulwarks?

[tall torrent]

no

u can snipe things

it's pinpoint accurate and has fairly good dmg over range

[barren girder]

so use it for farther out things? got it

i havent felt the need to do that since the ADS choke is so tight for the pellets but i'll keep it in mind

[tall torrent]

it's also a consistent 1hs vs flamers and gunners

[barren girder]

i've got to test it out on psykhanium more i guess, havent had trouble with those just adsing either

[unreal bone]

I hate this game so much right now

[spare wolf]

First time?

[empty aurora]

If Vet ever got some kind of spear what would you want/expect the special move to be

[unreal bone]

Yes actually

I should really use the LFG in this discord for havoc groups

because man party finder is ass

Pick up a psyker > psyker dies in like 1 minutes > then goes afk for the rest of the mission until they get afk kicked

I'm honestly tempted to just manually demote myself back down to Havoc 1 because 30+ havoc is just not fun

But I need the havoc chest

[warm schooner]

it's a bit better in the lfg but honestly there's a lot of people who don't really know what they're doing

[unreal bone]

Dude tell me about it

Darktide really is not a hard game if you just use your senses

I mean I don't have much leg to stand on, I'm an arbite main and arbite is pretty good

[warm schooner]

yeah see, arbites is ridiculously easier to play than vet

you can get away with so much bullshit

[unreal bone]

I mean tbh I wanna be a vet main

[barren girder]

i actively am not touching my arbites for fear it'll make me worse at the other classes

[unreal bone]

but I wanna finish my vet fashion

I mean I still am a vet main

[unreal bone]

Oh nah it def wont

[empty aurora]

I play vet for Drip and Power Sword

[barren girder]

i jump between psyk vet and zealot too much to risk being comfortable with Never Punished: The Class™

[unreal bone]

Arbite is just good tanky and good dps but you'll still die to the same things an ogryn would if you don't use your brain

[unreal bone]

I like engineer veteran but

I have to use arbite to try and piggyback some of these literal lobotmites I get in my teams

[empty aurora]

And Grenade spam

[unreal bone]

Yeah grenade spam is engineer veteran to me lol

Krieg Engineers exist to deploy mine and grenades kek

[empty aurora]

It would be cool if vet had more than one ability tho

[barren girder]

just practice enough on veteran to get good enough to carry just as hard as you do on arbites

[warm schooner]

most of what I see in high havoc is just really bad decision making in general and panicking under pressure

[unreal bone]

I mean it's not possible

[warm schooner]

and bad game sense

[barren girder]

and bad positioning

[unreal bone]

Don't get me wrong vet is good

[barren girder]

nothing is impossible through big emps

[unreal bone]

But arbite is a war machine

with shock maul

[barren girder]

tbh im salty towards some arbis too bc they tend to not be mindful of the team and force squishies into bad positions

[unreal bone]

Castigator stance for like 95% damage reduction

Last Guard shock maul for immovable wall tanking

[barren girder]

by them just rushing through a bad spot and letting the squishies deal with it

[unreal bone]

Yeah

A lot of arbites think they are immortal

[barren girder]

hot take it probably aint healthy to have one or two classes carry way harder than the others

[unreal bone]

and then I see them get instantly folded by running up

[empty aurora]

I think onr of the best buffs they could give Vet is buffing a lot of the guns

[unreal bone]

Tbh man Arbite only performs well in the team, I've seen many arbites try to W key up alone

and literally just wither and die

[barren girder]

change mmf to anything else

[empty aurora]

Vets the shooting class but most of the guns just aren't very good

[warm schooner]

most of the guns weren't designed with high havoc

[barren girder]

ive seen and played with cracked arbys be able to solo clutch more than once so doubt

downplay denied 😤

[warm schooner]

a lot of arbites players are just not good

[barren girder]

maybe i will go back to my arbi just to see for myself

[unreal bone]

Yeah I've literally done that

But it requires super sweat

[barren girder]

bc jesus

even just going from vet/psyker to zealot already felt chiller on havoc

[unreal bone]

You gotta sweat your BALLS off and run specific builds to be a one man army arbite

[barren girder]

most of them i saw run shield maul

never gave that a shot tbh

[unreal bone]

I run shield maul

like I said

shield maul with Last Guard blessing

[barren girder]

my rng during leveling SUCKED

[unreal bone]

You can tank reapers and gunners with ease

[barren girder]

i got my base maul then another maul at like lvl 28

[unreal bone]

Arbite is good if you're smart and sweaty, you see the dumb arbites die all the same.

[empty aurora]

Personally I quite like the Vigilants that aren't the 3 round burst one, but they STRUGGLE with the massive hoards on the highest difficulties

[barren girder]

a lot of arby players could benefit from putting some time in on the other three human classes to learn fundamentals then come back

[warm schooner]

vigilant is the best example of the problem

[barren girder]

then they have a strong class AND good game sense

[unreal bone]

Realistically I feel like arbite should run one of the shield weapons

[barren girder]

most dont want to tho and r very angy at the mere mention of balance

[unreal bone]

The shields on arbite are disgusting and really allow you to tank a lot

Either shotpistol with whatever melee you want or shockmaul with whatever ranged you want

[barren girder]

i think i'll run crusher on arby, dunno what to use for ranges yet

[unreal bone]

I'd suggest shot pistol

The shield really helps you just absorb ranged damage

[barren girder]

gotcha

[spare wolf]

Confident strike blessing on arby shield is an icing on the cake

The only real threat is like

Trapper

That's it

It just refuses to die

[unreal bone]

And large swarms

sometimes I get so bogged down in trash mobs that I literally cannot move

since they removed dog nuke

[spare wolf]

EZ

[empty aurora]

If you like full send into buffing your guns you can get the vigilants to do some pretty damn good single target damage, but you're gonna struggle with hoards and fold worse than the T'au in melee

[spare wolf]

Spam break the line

[unreal bone]

I use castigator

[spare wolf]

EZ horde clear

Then RIP

[unreal bone]

Castigator makes you unbelieveably tanky

[spare wolf]

[warm schooner]

yeah I tried full ranged build with vigilant and MMF in aurics

[spare wolf]

I mean even without castigator

Arby is extremely tanky

[unreal bone]

Arby is decently tanky without it

but Castigator is a flat 80% damage reduction on pop

stack that with ur other shit

[warm schooner]

it works, pop heads all day etc.

[spare wolf]

You better off just use AOE knockback ability with very short cooltime

[unreal bone]

Castigator also works really well with extermination shotgun

[spare wolf]

Castigator just reduces the damage you take

[unreal bone]

It gives you time to reload your shells

[spare wolf]

No knockbackso yeah

[unreal bone]

Castigator gives you and your dog damage

if you build into it

and obv you should

[spare wolf]

I don't feel like using em

[empty aurora]

I could see it working really well paired with a psyker who is full send into trash clear

[spare wolf]

Especially since FS

"Fixed" them

[unreal bone]

50% damage increase on castigator

[warm schooner]

problem is there's not really a point when helbore does everything just as good or better

[unreal bone]

I mean break the line is good too

all of the arbite abilities are good

[empty aurora]

I wish thr infantry lasgun was good, high capacity semi auto head popper sounds awesome but, it just dosent preform

[unreal bone]

I wish arbite had plasma

[spare wolf]

Well however you build arby you can't really go wrong

[unreal bone]

Yeah

[spare wolf]

And that's a good thing

Lots of build diversity without turning your class to shit

[unreal bone]

It's not wrong, but I do feel like if you don't take ONE of the shields

[spare wolf]

Unlike some of the classes you see

[unreal bone]

you're doing yourself dirty

Also hey

what's bolt pistol dump stat?

Mob? Or reload 🤔

[spare wolf]

I'd dump that

How was it called

Crowd control or suppression?

[unreal bone]

What

Do you mean collat?

[tame lodge]

Collateral

[spare wolf]

Yes

Collateral

[unreal bone]

Yeah I guess collat would be nice to dump

[unreal nova]

Collateral simply does nothing of note from 60 to 80.

[crimson wyvern]

is using mark 1 blessing of Hot Shot still what you should be doing

just checking its not been patched

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[crimson wyvern]

alright cool

[quick burrow]

wat u guys think is a good melee to mix with the recon i am displeased with power sword atm it was tedious

[unreal bone]

Does the lethal proximity blessing still buff grenade radius?

[slow spade]

Keystone less Rashad Combat Axe worked for me

[slow spade]

Yes

[quick burrow]

iv been doin this build as well, seems to work okay in auric mealstrom

[slow spade]

Longshot sadly sucks ass

[quick burrow]

dang i like the toughness regen on headshot kills 😦

[slow spade]

I suggest moving Longshot and Exhilarating Takedown to something like Focus Target + Redirect Fire

[slow spade]

Sadly it only starts giving +0.6% damage at 13m

[quick burrow]

darn

maybe il try marksman and focus

[slow spade]

Caps at 20% at 30m :c

Focus Target + Redirect Fire is consistently good with pretty much 100% uptime

[quick burrow]

il give it a ...longshot

[slow spade]

If you can spare a point, you can make Focus Target give damage, stamina, and toughness per marked kill

[slow spade]

Reported for offensive language

[unreal nova]

Absolutely. Still sparking all barrels in a room. XD

[quick burrow]

anything i should change ?

[tall torrent]

U only need 1 route in starting branches

Competitive urge also pretty mid

[quick burrow]

i dropped those 2 and took the tag keystone with redirect fire

oh should i drop it for maybe marksman?

[tall torrent]

Why don’t u take atk speed for Rashad

[quick burrow]

is that the meta for that one?

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity - desperado - 25 toughness - trench fighter drill

Is really good

And worth investing with almost all melee weapons

[unreal nova]

@tall torrent Skirmisher for 'nadier is funni.

Flees.

[quick burrow]

unsure what i could drop for it since i would need to swap 4 points i can take one out of competative another out of marksman and i guess i dont need suppression immunity

[tall torrent]

Suppression immunity mainly matters for 2 guns

Inf las
Revolver

[unreal nova]

Naw, quickdraw blam works.

[quick burrow]

what i got so far i cant quite reach trench

[tall torrent]

The question u gotta ask urself is

Do u want to shoot more or melee more

[quick burrow]

well this one in particular is to spam recon for pew pew

[tall torrent]

Uh

Why Rashad as melee then

Rashad is a super point heavy melee

[quick burrow]

no idea im tired of powersword and someone recomended it as a good match for the recond

[unreal nova]

It and knoife require investment though. You are better off with the dueling sword sadly.

[quick burrow]

ah isee

is weapon spec the build to run with rashad then ?

[unreal nova]

Yes, but then you want some other gun.

[tall torrent]

yea

[unreal nova]

WS is better with quickdraw single shot or semiauto.

[thick rose]

knife. knife never changes.

[quick burrow]

so like rashad and revolver ws ?

[unreal nova]

For auric, can work... not for havocs.

[quick burrow]

wats the build for havocs if you dont mind me asking

[tall torrent]

WS is mainly a melee keystone

[unreal nova]

Havoc is bistol 'nadier or your classic Plasma/Bolter DS/PS.

'Nadier is only if it's not red. Unless you want PAIN.

[tall torrent]

power sword + helbore

[unreal nova]

Oh, right. The hellbore buffs.

[quick burrow]

whats the best mark for hellbore? i can make one i got the resources haha

[void isle]

I do bistol shredder knife for havoc

[quick burrow]

any neat stat interactions like the plasma ?

[tall torrent]

IIIa and IV

IV scales best by far

but helbore in general is not for everyone

just because it's the best scaling therefore strongest for vet's specific role doesn't mean u have to use it

[void isle]

Yeah, if you don't like using helbore don't

[quick burrow]

il give it a try i havent really used it all that much

[void isle]

Some people just can't snap on release

since you wanna hold the charge

[quick burrow]

i seen someone post earlier theres a glitch with rank 1 of that cleave on cirt or something

[unreal nova]

Well, there's also the Recon+PS/DS build.

[quick burrow]

oh that one i would probably like better haha

is it keystone less with shout ?

[unreal nova]

But you know that already.

Keystoneless or FT.

[quick burrow]

ps - maniac/flak, Brutal/power cyclyer with recon - flak/maniac with dumdum/inf ?

[unreal nova]

Flak+crits VIc.

Flak/maniac can work if you don't need the crits.

VIc is the tryhard havoc mark. XD

XII just is too much ammo to kill specials and elites unless you let them burn out, risky.

[quick burrow]

hows that look?

[unreal nova]

The brown one just sucks in havoc.

[quick burrow]

also mk6 for power sword right?

[unreal nova]

You might want dodge crits.

[tall torrent]

I personally don't recommend power sword in havoc without WS

[quick burrow]

oh which one should i use then ?

duel ?

[unreal nova]

Dueling.

[quick burrow]

mk4 duel with rending/precog or something and unyielding/carp ?

sweet ha im slowly learning whats good

cleave dmg dump or mob ?

[unreal nova]

Cleave target dump.

Oh ds.

Cleave damage usually if mk 4.

[quick burrow]

i found a perfect one

[unreal nova]

But mobility if you wanna play around.

[tall torrent]

IV, dump cleave dmg
II, dump mobility
V, dump defences

[unreal nova]

Mk2 dumps mobility, mk 4 dumps cleave damage and mk 5 dumps penetration if you wanna meme or def if serious.

Mk5+WS is very funni.

[quick burrow]

mk4 is the meta one ?

[unreal nova]

If you meme.

[unreal nova]

Yes. Mk2 has better horde clear but more complex to use.

[quick burrow]

dis good ?

[tall torrent]

all 3 are op
4 is most straightforward

[quick burrow]

thx for the help

oh 1 last thing curio are 2x toughness 1xstam with gunner resist toughness and stam regen ?

[void isle]

never the little toughness

doesn't do enough

if you get all the revive speeds you can get someone up from the stagger from your shout

and gunner resist is good, but I'd personally do this

[tall torrent]

stam regen on vet not that good because of their lengthy base stam regen delay

[void isle]

Curio 1:

Main: Toughness
Sub 1: Revive Speed
Sub 2: Ability Cooldown
Sub 3: Stam Regen

Curio 2:

Main: Toughness
Sub 1: Revive Speed
Sub 2: Ability Cooldown
Sub 3: Stam Regen

Curio 3:

Main: Stam
Sub 1: Ability Cooldown
Sub 2: Revive Speed
Sub 3: Bomber or Gunner DR, whatever you get screwed by more

The reason for this is specifically because of what bath says

they have a lengthy delay, so that little bit extra can save your ass

Ability cooldown is best

Literally every class

though you caaaaaan skip out on it for some

like charge zealot

[tall torrent]

CDR is kinda preference

[void isle]

As shout vet though, every second it's up is a second your team is basically invincible so you want it up as much as possible

[tall torrent]

revive speed also kinda preference, in a way

u may not need it on all 3 curios

a lot of this is down to preference and there's no concrete answer as to wats best

[void isle]

You may not, but th makes the margin safer when you shout rez

especially when you need to run for a sec or two to actually reach them to start the rez

[gleaming lion]

can a veteran player explain to me why Target Down! procs instead of Redirect Fire! for me when i tag anyone and Target Down! is not activated on the skill tree, is it a bug or something else?

[tall torrent]

wat do u mean

[gleaming lion]

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/9688219425506608504/BD2F4B2E3174EA0AE95C4BBDF82F575D7F33F6C7/

if you dont mind clicking a steam link

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/12856858139520698243/72BFBDCDB97D511B376DEF7948F6B1BF6FB7A511/

i get target down! buff instead of redirect fire

but wasnt happening hours ago

[tall torrent]

was there someone else in ur team using focus target

[gleaming lion]

no im the only vet i tested in psyk range too

and cant get redirect fire to work no matter what i do,,,,,

[tall torrent]

what

target down is the toughness/stamina gain effect, it won't show up on the buff bar

the buff bar is redirect fire

5 stacks, each being +1.5% damage

[gleaming lion]

ill try again in a second but i get target down every time with it deactivated from the skill tree

[vague wigeon]

Nah, i meant bolter. You can use it to cheese reloads.

Tho myself i run bolt pistol indeed.

[half glade]

full revive speed stack? is it infiltrate build or something? 🙂

[tall torrent]

it's ok for havoc

[void isle]

It's good for havoc because it lets you safely revive on a shout

even if you gotta kill something or run a little to actually start the revive

[narrow widget]

p sure you only need 1 res speed for that?

unless I'm dumb

[void isle]

more safe = more good

it's doable with one

but two extra seconds means a lot if there are like, 25 ragers and a trapper behind them

it's one of those things that feels extra till it saves a run

that time adds up

especially if you're playing with randos

it's not as important if you're playing with a good team

[fading yarrow]

Pardon me frens, just wanna get something clarified in case I'm being silly

The way to play frag Vet is to throw the nade, switch to bistol, then shoot something after the bade explodes to double up the bleed proc on everything hit by the nade, right?

Or am I misreading the numbers

[unreal nova]

Just throw.

No need to swap.

If you swap, is to add bleed stacks to a specific target.

Or to ensure something dies faster.

[ember nest]

Its uncanny and knife bleed that stack w/ it innit

[unreal nova]

Like a trapper.

Just swing your uncanny weapon at heads for rending.

[tall torrent]

u don't have to swap to boltpistol

[fading yarrow]

I just now tested that and was right about to remark on it

Fascinating

I'm a touch confused though, I thought the Lethal Proximity radius boost only applied by switching to the bistol

[mighty willow]

Guys, i'm tired of the plasma gun, recon lasgun and double barrel. Any recommendations for ranged weapons?

And possible blessings to look out for

[sonic kayak]

Laspistol with Dumdum/Infernus, lasgun with Ghost and.. Falter maybe, or Opening Salvo if using the mk 9

I have 2 setups on the bolter, one as an Exe Stance DMR with Surgical/Pinning and then a shout boss magdumper with Shrimpact/Puncture

[sudden cedar]

@mighty willow Vigilant Autogun

[sonic kayak]

Accatran shotgun with Full Bore + No Respite (?), or alternatively Agripinaa with the same setup

[past stratus]

Helbore?

Bistol?

also playing with the Caxe after maining the PSword for the longest time

the freedom of not having to press the activation before attacking something

I just need to find out what's the purpose of the Caxe special

[hearty panther]

Stunning stuff.

[past stratus]

oh does it do big stagger?

[hearty panther]

yea

On the Antax it stuns literally everything on headshot. Dunno for the others.

[past stratus]

if it is fast enough to stagger a rager out of it's little flurry, it is already pretty useful

[tawdry blade]

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[tall torrent]

no

[tawdry blade]

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[normal bay]

It is but I prefer the push attack for that

[tall torrent]

no

it just staggers

medium stagger

[past stratus]

aww ah well at least I know what the purpose is

[past stratus]

I haven't gone to the psykhanium yet but I assume the special does more damage than the push attack

[faint beacon]

Special only staggers one whilst push attack staggers three ragers

[arctic rampart]

So, is obese tuna going to go through with their plans of nerfing plasma and no buffs?

Seems to me like vet & psyker need another playstyle option to keep pace. Zealot too. (IMO)

[faint beacon]

@tame lodge say it with me

MkIV Helbore

[hearty panther]

I certainly hope so

[past stratus]

did they announce anything about nerfs?

[faint beacon]

It’s not even a nerf is just a distribution to making M2 more valuable to use but also rewarding

[past stratus]

I thought they had those on hold

and the nerfs we saw was just a leak

[faint beacon]

It is still a leak but I’m for the change

[arctic rampart]

yesterday they had I-II-V-E-G, I-III-VII-F, and some other fun one.. today its C-I-VI. sadface

[tall torrent]

the "leaked" things were pretty harsh nerfs

idk wat they gonna do

but at this point it's pretty much just

"get ready to learn helbore buddy"

[arctic rampart]

I'm totally fine with nerfing plasma. Especially since I barely use it these days. But just wish they'd give something back to make vet more interesting to play.

[arctic rampart]

I never did, probably should. I hated the iron sights on those things...

[past stratus]

I think currently the plasma is objectively too strong and they could nerf the range of the tap shot and put the range modifier on the charge. But that's just my unfiltered dogshit opinion.

[faint beacon]

I’m way more for DS nerfs anyway thing is so oppressively overpowered

[arctic rampart]

what would you nerf on it. stab?

[past stratus]

two shotting crushers with stab is pretty crazy

[faint beacon]

They basically answered in that leak exactly how it should be

Reworked the stagger everything special into a parry

And then tuned down a lot of its ADMs

So it basically became a lightweight DC

[past stratus]

DC but better?

[honest quiver]

parry would go hard on DS

[faint beacon]

Basically

Recall it has knife mobility that instantly makes it strong

[past stratus]

I mean, thematically the parry does fit the DS well

[vague wigeon]

Intantry las with weakspot crits or bolt pistol

[spring spindle]

Anyone have advice for when to bring krak or shredder grenades?

[sonic kayak]

Shredders will always be more useful

Use them on clumps of elites, bosses, or chuck a few to give yourself space to revive

Good stagger and damage in a respectable AoE

Smoke is viable but more as a defensive tool, however IMO it's mostly unnecessary outside of Havoc, just less density

[arctic rampart]

shredders are MUCH better, though it doesn't seem like it when you first playing vet

especially at higher difficulty auric+

[narrow widget]

shredders for everything unless you literally don't have an option to deal with cara (((not good))), or you just want some easy boss damage

[past stratus]

if you're leveling Vet and your weapons are not good

bring krak to deal with big enemies

[ember nest]

Does the ds special stagger everything

Yet again I manage to overlook something like this

[narrow widget]

yea you just heavy special repeat into a crusher's face and it can't do anything

[ember nest]

huh
neat

[faint beacon]

Kills it in like 2-3 hits it’s incredibly braindead

[ember nest]

omw to push stab overhead with PS

granted you have to turn it on first which is at least tedious

[unreal forge]

I think there's a high chance that plasma gun won't see nerfs until Vet gets some sort of buff

Fatshark is disconnected but definitely not to the point where they don't know that Veteran is in a sorry state, I'd hope

[narrow widget]

nah man veteran too strong nerf survivalist again

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[calm shard]

god willing we shall all be helbore mains

[half path]

gun is still miserable to use

when weighed against almost every other gun in the game from a useability pov

[slow spade]

Clearly the Helbore needs 1000+ rpm to solve the problem

[ember nest]

the helbore population will rise when FS makes it possible to see things

[narrow widget]

clearly the helbore needs to be nerfed as well

[ember nest]

okay for helbore

1 motion vs focus target

my point gets to either

[half path]

gun is arse to aim and really doesn’t do enough to be useful when you take into account how long you spend charging the fucking thing this pain point is very clear in higher end content

[calm shard]

"doesn't do enough to be useful" when it's one of like 3 guns in the game that can one shot headshot crushers

and can hit unyielding for 14K damage per shot in optimal circumstances

never doing lower than 7K if you don't miss

[half path]

a case of oh the numbers are alot better and my gun feels great in the psykanium not really translating well to the actual game

[ember nest]

bread uses it ingame tho

[narrow widget]

god willing we will all become aim trainers

[tall torrent]

Waiting for vostroyan skin’s sight fix
I hope they buff their charge speed a bit to be closer to plasma

[calm shard]

I use it all the damn time in game

I use it in havocs and end the match with 10 times the elite/special kills as the rest of my team lol

and highest boss damage usually

[narrow widget]

ok but you're John gun psyker

[half path]

unless you have someone front lining for you in high end content the gun is just miserable to use

[calm shard]

yeah that's the big kicker that gets me not playing vet at all

because exe vet is the most fun way to play the class

but holy fuck nobody is willing to take the responsibility of being a frontline

it's all useless chorus bot zealots, bubble psykers, and arbites that can't melee (somehow)

[narrow widget]

I LOVE CLICKING HEADS

[calm shard]

not one of these fuckers knows how to actually handle the crowd of fodder enemies

[unreal forge]

hi Reg

[calm shard]

and so I play ogryn/arbites/psyker and do it myself

[half path]

This would be a good change imo I was excited to use them after the last change but like kind of just ate shit trying to use it lol

[narrow widget]

it's like osu! but for guns ......

[unreal forge]

Helbore is great if you get mods lol

otherwise I'd never use that shit

[calm shard]

even without mods Helbore IV is usable

IIIa and V sights are horrible

[unreal forge]

meh

I need the passive charge mod at least

[half path]

Like guns like helbore and so fun if you have say a loyal protector ogryn

[calm shard]

you don't really need a loyal protector ogryn you just need at least one guy on the team that isn't completely hopeless in melee

which is a tall ask with all the dueling sword players around

[half path]

actually trying to pick targets pull the gun out aim charge fire in most other situations in high end content is just a pain and I’d rather bring any other gun

[unreal forge]

if they have the dueling sword how are they hopeless

[half path]

This only works based on group positioning and who enemies choose to target

[calm shard]

can't control hordes with that weapon

sure they aren't going to die

[ebon drum]

Why does my characters face clip through the mask crying

[narrow widget]

ds4 has bad horde clear

[calm shard]

but they aren't going to kill the poxboys any time soon either

and that's the problem that leads to wipes 90% of the time in my havoc experience

[unreal forge]

actually you should frontline as veteran

[calm shard]

nobody has enough crowd control

[half path]

Also loyal protector was just an example

[calm shard]

because everyone is running single target focused weapons

and over valuing defensive play

[half path]

Not the only case it’s just the most ideal utopia to using guns like that

[narrow widget]

the humble flame psyker:

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[unreal forge]

some ppl told me that Arbitrators do make their Veteran life easier for the same reason

makes sense

[calm shard]

yeah because arbitrator doesn't have a good melee that sucks at horde clear

[narrow widget]

yeah cuz everything around the arbitrator is either dead or permastunned

[calm shard]

so they're always going to be capable of handling a crowd

[sonic kayak]

Because FS doesn't care about clipping

[unreal forge]

wouldn't say that's true...

[calm shard]

if arbitrator had dueling sword or knife it'd just be the same problem

of everybody running that because it makes it easier for them to not die

and then they don't kill any of the horde enemies

and we get overrun

[ebon drum]

Eh the arbites shock maul is basically on par with dueling sword ngl

i think people would run it over ds4

[unreal forge]

God please give knife to Arbitrator

[calm shard]

happens so often it genuinely makes me question on if the dueling sword is even good in havoc or not xd

like I know it is obviously

[narrow widget]

ok I gtg

[unreal forge]

ehhhhh wouldn't say so

[narrow widget]

cya vet chat

[ebon drum]

I'm gonna be real, even if ds4 gets nerfed, everyone is gonna swap to knife

[calm shard]

but I can so frequently point to "everyone was running dueling sword so we had no horde clear" as reason for wipes in havoc

[narrow widget]

🫡

kill in His name

[calm shard]

that it's giving me doubts

[ebon drum]

maybe you'll see a few more relic blades or force greatswords or wte but

[unreal forge]

I don't think this is true, I never see anyone run knife ever

I see more shovels than knives

if knife was this good I believe I'd see it more often

being the supposed 2nd best

[ebon drum]

I think thats cuz most people who would use a knife would be using ds4

imo at least

I should learn the shock maul tbh, how good is it on vet?

[half path]

I only usually see knife in the funny I’m a prove speed runner type people

[ebon drum]

cuz ik its up there for arbites

[half path]

Not used it since it was buffed

didn’t like it that much before though but I know a few people did

[unreal forge]

I think the shock maul sucks even on Arbites

[calm shard]

I don't really think it's a havoc tier melee but it's good

I like it quite a bit

[unreal forge]

I just hate its moveset

damn suicidal special attack

[ebon drum]

Wat would ya take out of curiosity? Besides well DS4/Knife lmao

Ik they buffed tacaxes too

recently

[calm shard]

in havoc well I only really play exe vet so

[serene bough]

Aside knife and DS there's power sword mk6

[calm shard]

leaves me with few options

usually go with heavy sword over power sword

since I'm almost always using bolter or helbore IV

[ebon drum]

I fucking hate the psword ngl so uhhh

[sonic kayak]

Heavy Sword is serviceable but just not good for carapace

[ebon drum]

rashad antax, etc?

[sonic kayak]

PSword doesn't require investment on the bottom right to be good or fluid at all, and because of that I use that for most of my builds

Rashad is very good

[unreal nova]

Da fuk is this knoife slander here?

[unreal forge]

I'll use psword when they give it relic blade heat mechanics

[sonic kayak]

I'll enjoy it more when it doesn't turn off if I stub my toe tbh

[unreal nova]

[unreal forge]

psword turns off if you go 0.2s without swinging it

[sonic kayak]

Keeping the dictated swings because Vets focus more on precision strikes than blitzing is fine, let me keep my damn sword on

[hollow ibex]

yeah honestly i've tried a lot of different melees on shooter vet builds

and none come close to PS

[unreal forge]

psword is just the best crowd clearer

[hollow ibex]

taxe is good for mobility, but the killing potential is significantly worse

[unreal forge]

in vet's arsenal

[sonic kayak]

PSword is the best*

2 tap a Crusher with the PA into light

Even horde clear can be lights

[unreal nova]

Knoife slandering...

[unreal forge]

*activates special* man this *activates special* weapon is *activates special* so *activates special* good

[sonic kayak]

Lack of Trench Fighter really ruins the fluidity of a lot of weapons, and because my main builds don't even have it, kinda leaves me no choice except for the PSword or something else like knife

[ebon drum]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-dead-gif-22973220

[serene bough]

true

[unreal forge]

Fatshark has grown out of bad specials finally

[faint beacon]

This is why I run Tac Axe with Helby IV needing something that covers at least some mobility and clear

[unreal forge]

all weapon specials on Arbites are fast and slick

especially the Arby shock maul special, doing similar to the old shock mau without locking you in place

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's funny how psyker has easier access to 10% attack speed tahn vet

and by funny, i mean absolutely fucked

[calm shard]

in havoc?

[unreal forge]

I love attack speed

[calm shard]

psyker helbore when

[unreal forge]

my favorite part of the Arby tree

[calm shard]

can you IMAGINE DD+SG helbore

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

[unreal forge]

Helbore will go to Arbitrator pal

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/trepang-trepang2-check-this-shit-horizon-gif-13349807839715534250

[scenic vapor]

delusions its going to the ogryn obviously

[sly orchid]

taxe vet has so much mobility

its cracked

[ember nest]

does hs have any mobility

[sonic kayak]

It's better than the DClaw

[ember nest]

I dunno much about the DClaw

😭

[sonic kayak]

ngl I personally enjoy using it, but the problem is it's just.. not worth taking it over something else

[ember nest]

oh thanks bruntbot

[unreal forge]

but aren't you afraid of ragers?

[sonic kayak]

That's what the gun is for

But the DClaw used to be my primary melee on Vet up until Havoc 1.0, where the extra hitmass just obliterated everything not the PSword, DS, Rashad, or knife, which is where we are now

[ember nest]

rip

this is good for it right

or maniacs over unyeilding

[civic hull]

Is veteran supposed to insta die on havoc?? Am I doing something wrong?

[ember nest]

ih right also:

finished finally

[past stratus]

Veteran is insanely squishy yes

despite some people's claim of it being "decently tanky"

[sonic kayak]

You have to play carefully, everyone except Ogryn and Zealot (with Holy Revenant) to a lesser extent, has to be careful, yes, even Arby

[sudden cedar]

Everyone has to be careful, at all times.

[sonic kayak]

Unless you're using True Grit, which has some funny interactions

[sudden cedar]

Rushing headlong into everything without any regard whatsoever will get you killed.

No matter the class.

[gilded wraith]

This drives me crazy, the are so many weapons that need 10٪ or more attack speed to be viable. Why bury Trench Fighter in the bottom right?

[ember nest]

because fatshark old tree

[hollow ibex]

otherwise vet would be too op

[ember nest]

wait for rework basically

[sonic kayak]

Which is where we are now with Vet melees: The only "good" ones are the ones with minimal or no investment

[gilded wraith]

Really want to make PS Mk3 with sunder work, but I'm not good enough to avoid chip damage on it.

[sonic kayak]

It kicks ass but I can't tolerate the lack of stun immunity

It's why I just use lights on the Mk 6

[gilded wraith]

Same.

[past stratus]

I think I shit talked Taxe so much that it cursed me, every time I go level it the mission fails miserably

[hollow ibex]

half the time i just end up using lights on mk3

it's usable, thouh not great

and you gotta remember to push more

[past stratus]

it was a damnation game because my taxe is underleveled and not fully upgraded

its the twins mission and my team keeps dying to air so I try my best to help em

we reach the final fight, I shout and go take care of the sword lady because SURELY they can handle the gun guy, 3v1 with gold toughness

2 of them die before I get my second shout, the oggy is alive but half HP corruption

[grand perch]

sorry i cursed those that denounce taxe

took a giants toe, mixed it with some belladonna and danced naked in the moonlight

[past stratus]

he gets dogged and die in the next second and I can't solo the twins and die eventually 😭

I just hate it more and more

gonna toss my taxe off an abyss when I finally finish leveling, like the one ring

[civic hull]

Why use plasma gun over bolter in havoc? Im just starting to use the plasma and struggling. What are its strengths, why are they nerfing it?

When should I be using it? What specials and elites are it good against? Should I be pulling it out on armour trains? Or rager hordes? Using it to snipe specials?

[ember nest]

tap fire it

not charge

[sonic kayak]

Because plasma guns have their immense cleave, which helps you pick out specialists or elite shooters (gunners and reapers) in a horde

Boltguns you would use like a DMR

[ember nest]

bolter takes ages to come out too in comparison

[sonic kayak]

Magdump only on bosses, nothing else

Armor is for melee or someone else to deal with

[tame lodge]

The strength is that it's a 50-100 cleave 1 shot headshot machine

[civic hull]

The boss dmg doesnt seem that huge on it am I doing something wrong? Rumbler ogryn seems to delete bosses compared to plasma

[sonic kayak]

Plasma Gun is not a boss damage weapon

[tame lodge]

Everything Ogryn >>>>>>

[sonic kayak]

Or an armor killer weapon

Unless you have patience for charged shots, which are a waste

The plasma gun's strength lies in the fact that it's the ultimate pocket sniper: Anything shooting you, you can shoot back, with perfect accuracy, and immense penetration through both hordes and cover

ST is not bad but it's not meant for it, specifically on armor

[ember nest]

unless they do something with the rework of plasma to make charged shots do more to unyeilding/carapace etc I don't see it being that great after a nerf either

for now it is the funny uncharged shot spammer

[sonic kayak]

I say nerf the venting, every shot you vent is a shot you earn, no more no less

[ember nest]

what does that mean

[barren cave]

How do you do the long bomb penance

[ember nest]

like what does "nerfed venting" look like

[sonic kayak]

One instance of venting gives you what? 2 or 3 shots back? Lower it to 1

Make it more macro intensive

[ember nest]

I guess
I don't think I vent that often in the first place

[sonic kayak]

Currently it has no downsides to light spam, and it doesn't damage HP like it used to, which feels nice, but then you don't even need to vent since you get free venting from overheat

Yeah, that's what I mean

You don't need to vent because you can just overheat, and now you have a bunch of shots back

[grand perch]

god i hate this fucking bug

[sonic kayak]

But what do I know, I just like hipfiring

[tame lodge]

Get Pose'd on kid

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[barren cave]

Dump Stat on bolt pistol?

And brauto?

Also, which shovel mark is best and what perks and blessings on it?

[sonic kayak]

Collateral, might be the same for the BrAuto idk

[sonic kayak]

Mk 1 has a poke for the special, which is a good stagger, mk 3 has a fast fold, and mk 7 has a slower fold, all of them could probably run Skullcrusher + Decimator and for perks, what, Flak and Carapace? Choose which shovel is the most interesting

[hollow ibex]

i thought they fixed it lol

[faint beacon]

Yes and I’m shockingly not taking a lot of damage at all unless it’s a wipe situation aka 500 billion bosses + Twins

[barren cave]

What perks and blessings on recon las

[hollow ibex]

crit chance + damage perk of your choice, dumdum infernus

there's a fair argument to not run crit chance as well, so the perks are pretty flexible imo

[faint beacon]

Hell will freeze over the day vet gets a new weapon

[sly orchid]

powerfist

i can sense it

next major update

new map zealot rework and vet weapons

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-goodnight-nightcap-drink-drinking-gif-5098630

[faint beacon]

Actually peak update if it happens but I HIGHLY doubt it lmao

[sonic kayak]

Archivum Sycorax but you go through the front entrance

New chainsword variant but all the attacks are shredders

Zealot now has an extra sub node for each keystone (still no points, can't take them)

[sly orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/the-two-towers-lord-of-the-rings-aragorn-helm’s-deep-hope-gif-8669068073397169641

[faint beacon]

We have zealot grenade regen for some reason

We don’t know why but we did

[ember nest]

I just want that damned hotshot volley las

it's ingame FS just hand it over

idgaf if I need to walk to fire it

[calm shard]

I think it's for the best that everyone can get it because grenade economy sucks xd

[faint beacon]

I feel like certain classes not having regen is good or at least “1 blitz will always regen”

[ember nest]

fine voice f command now gives everyone 1 grenade

[faint beacon]

Ogryn nuke regening would be so bad

[sonic kayak]

I try to have grenade regen on everyone, so Ogryns get to vacuum all of the nade pickups

[faint beacon]

For the state of the game lmao

[calm shard]

yeah

everyone should have at least the one that they don't need to pick up

[faint beacon]

Which everyone has except veteran

[ember nest]

I mean they all do right

[faint beacon]

And technically Zealot

Technically

[hollow ibex]

change that to just the vet and i'm onboard

[sonic kayak]

Stockpile/Demo Team, knives, Psyker's.. stuff, Lone Wolf

[ember nest]

I would much rather stance be the thing that gives more ammo or nades or stuff like that

[sonic kayak]

Just leaves Ogryn, and fine by me, more nukes

[ember nest]

I want the gun reload back

[faint beacon]

More so pointing out you don’t have naturally passive grenades that regen without those talents on vet

And tbh imo

Smokes should be the one to regen

[sonic kayak]

Make it 60s like on gunlugger

[calm shard]

I would like the toughness regen

or do something really stupid like ranged weakspot kills stagger enemies around you so the poxwalkers will FUCK OFF

[sonic kayak]

Ah, you mean passive regen built into their nades

Thought you meant like a talent for Zealot or something (besides the knives of course), fair enough

[ember nest]

please

please

even something silly small like 10 gold

something

[ember nest]

why

it got reload taken from it and given to gunlugger

[faint beacon]

If zealot were to have one built in passive regen on a blitz I think stun storm would deserve that honor

[sonic kayak]

I'd agree with that

[ember nest]

not only that

gunlugger 1st node gives you toughness :^/

[sonic kayak]

Yeah so we make it 60s to "prevent it from being OP" ignoring all the CDR

[ember nest]

I don't care about the "prevent it from being OP" yap

[sonic kayak]

I'm only joking though, but I do miss that reload

[ember nest]

old vet stance would have been lit in the current state of the game

granted I'm glad it actually highlights shooters now

before that fix it was silly that it didn't

[faint beacon]

With a tax node

[quartz adder]

MELTA GUN

MELTA GUN PLEEEEASSEE

[merry gale]

no

https://tenor.com/view/lancer-kick-spamton-star-walker-tenna-gif-885058355581359762

[quartz adder]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-tenna-deltarune-chapter-3-gif-12082953415188549519

[ember nest]

@calm shard what's ur stance vet look like again

[barren cave]

What's dump Stat on plasma gun

[ember nest]

charge

[quartz adder]

charge

but try to go 70 70 on charge and thermal

[merry gale]

enough ranged powerhouses enough

there's plasma and you'll like it

[sly orchid]

also deciding what the melta would be

[ember nest]

what are these words

[merry gale]

big powerful gun that kill big things good

[hollow ibex]

@tired egret

[ember nest]

nah still want a melta

[merry gale]

https://tenor.com/view/green-guy-pokes-you-stick-poke-comagreeny-gif-12916307036305812419

[ember nest]

regular human with big fuck guns is my favourite asthetic

unfortunately it's basically just a scab gunner privlige

[trim badger]

69 thermal 71 charge is the perfect roll

[sly orchid]

Youd love rogue trader

You can give your psyker a heavy bolter

[ember nest]

I don't care for turn based stuff

I used to but it's just not my scene anymore

I'd fall asleep

[tame lodge]

[spark canopy]

unfortunately i have become addicted to the bolt pistol

[ivory kiln]

what you got there, funny symbol on that gun

[sudden cedar]

Obviously.

[sonic kayak]

That's an eight-pointed star; I'm sorry Eve.

[sudden cedar]

What? No, that is clearly the emblem of the Nilfgaardian Empire.. or something..

Not at all related to [REDACTED] in any way.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/beetlejuice-meme-gif-13835284389809173430

[sonic kayak]

carry on

[sudden cedar]

On a more serious note, i think i know what weapon that is.

[ember nest]

storm bolter innit

[sudden cedar]

If i had to take a guess, it is the weapon from Aurora.

[ember nest]

no wait

not storm boilter

hrrgh

[sudden cedar]

Yup, this is a heavy bolter.

[ember nest]

yer

[barren cave]

What are optimal perks for recon las

[tame lodge]

Yuh

Starting act2 with a heavy bolter

Then you get another from the Drussians

Argenta and your Rogue Trader

The heavy bolter bros

[quartz adder]

choas

[sudden cedar]

@tame lodge Argenta is a natural talent with all weapons.

[quartz adder]

the big E himself gets around the eclessiarchal censors

buy calling chaos choas

[deft mulch]

is the dueling sword still meta for Havoc?

[quartz adder]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-sad-sob-lament-uncontrollable-gif-19007906

unfortunately yes

[deft mulch]

F

any close seconds?

[tame lodge]

Not really

Power Sword>>>>>

[quartz adder]

power

[deft mulch]

Which mark?

[tame lodge]

Gotta kill a lot of shit really fast

Which psword is good at

[tame lodge]

6

[signal zenith]

Do you guys think veteran can at some point get a two-handed powersword?

[quartz adder]

zealot only weapon

a literal relic blade would not be standard issue

like how we dont give zealots the plasma

[signal zenith]

Every class got a 2h now but the veteran

[quartz adder]

which makes sense

[deft mulch]

I feel like a power sword in and of itself would hardly be standard issue anyway

[quartz adder]

last time a soldier brought a 2h sword into genuine combat

was mad jack chuchill in ww2

[signal zenith]

maybe rework the heavy swords in 2h I wish

[quartz adder]

im pretty sure he decapitated a nazi while charging on a motor cycle

or did he shoot him with a bow

[signal zenith]

lol

[quartz adder]

i forgot

he did something really cool riding a motorcycle

[signal zenith]

Maybe a regular greatsword would be cool

[quartz adder]

looked it up

he aparently "totally didnt kill" a POW who didnt wanna be a POW in hand to hand combat with it

[barren cave]

What is dump Stat for helbore las

[ember nest]

I forgor

stability imo

[hollow ibex]

yeah stab

[spring spindle]

2H shovel

[quartz adder]

i know what 2h weapon we should get

dual bolt pistols

[hollow ibex]

one shot and you'll be staring at the ceiling

[barren girder]

if my damage as vet isnt catching up to other people in the party in havoc, am i not throwing enough nades?

[ember nest]

what's a good power DI scoreboard setup to see more than just the default stuff

dunno how to work this

[quartz adder]

this but in guardsman form

[hollow ibex]

probably, or not using powersword

[hollow ibex]

scoreboard better

[quartz adder]

not really, even if we're going off of bolt guns actually have recoil

if people can one hand 500 magnums

[past stratus]

this would rip off both arms of a normal dude lmao

[quartz adder]

and the hipfire of the bolt pistol is already one handed

[barren girder]

ok i was using power sword, def more conscious nade use i guess

[quartz adder]

with just 2 regular bolt pistols

of which we already one hand in hipfire

[hollow ibex]

maxed out nade count are wasted nades!

[hollow ibex]

i mean bistol already has pretty bad recoil hipfiring, imagine with one in each hand

[past stratus]

we use our reject crack power to hold one plasma with two hands and that is already pretty impressive

[sonic kayak]

How much is not catching up? It's expected Psyker and Heavy are top scorers, if you're like... 200k~? less, you're fine

[mortal aspen]

is there a reason for a rank 1 Hotshot blessing or just a mistake?

[quartz adder]

would give the recoil reduction traits a reason to exist

[sonic kayak]

You're there as ranged support or to kill anything the others can't/don't, not to be pure DPS

[tame lodge]

There's a reason

[barren girder]

here lol

i took the screenshot from sin

im morrow's

[tame lodge]

Hotshot 1 is giving 80% mass reduction

Hotshot 4 is giving 50%

[barren girder]

[mortal aspen]

of course it does

[tame lodge]

Because Fatshark

[mortal aspen]

[past stratus]

some blessings are bugged is the reason lmao

[sonic kayak]

Ah, I recognized this, that's why

[mortal aspen]

I see, thanks

[sonic kayak]

wrong reply, gg

[sonic kayak]

What about the specialists?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-fail-wrong-reply-wrong-reply-laugh-at-this-user-epic-fail-gif-21720518

[sonic kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-take-your-entire-stock-tf2-soldier-point-video-game-gif-16102238

[barren girder]

my aim garbo + helbore into final toll probably wasnt the best idea

[sonic kayak]

My condolences

[barren girder]

yeah i queued in being like "eh, dont really feel like managing peril today. oh ik i'll play vet"

[sonic kayak]

tbh I don't think there's much else to do there, you have a cracked Psyker there, already doing most of the work

[barren girder]

forgets to check modifiers
headshots reaper once
it fucking enrages

yea it was 1 psyk 2 arbis and my vet

[sonic kayak]

Red reapers my beloved

[barren girder]

the only other vet build i enjoy is WS double barrel

[sonic kayak]

ah then yeah, idk, not much else to do unless you're literally fighting them for specialists