Gotcha, unfortunate. Thanks for the information!
#veteran-class
gilded wraith
sudden cedar
@carmine zealot This 2015 version could have, by Gav Thorpe's admission, been called "Nocturne", but was never official.
And, as it would turn out, GW made it so that Vulkan, Primarch of the Salamanders, would work on this type of armour.
elder vessel
his pauldrons are everything to him
sudden cedar
What is in there i wonder.
formal hamlet
Guys I need to do a Krak grenade kills penance, what's a solid build for someone who's still finding their footing in aurics/havocs so I can get my penance done while playing the higher difficulties?
Also if I get to Havoc 40 myself some day, does it drop me back down at some point, like each week, or am I just forever on H40 after that?
sudden cedar
You will stay at H40 until .. some point.
I don't remember exactly what point that is.
formal hamlet
Okay, for like a long time at least.
ember nest
Guys I need to do a Krak grenade kills penance, what's a solid build for someone...
just kill literally anything armored with them
even flak armored stuff
formal hamlet
Is it true the weekly reward is the same regardless of which tier you complete? So just participating is good enough for resource gain?
formal hamlet
Gotcha. If I complete it on someone else's H40 I get the max, or must I myself be H40?
I don't see anything about this on the Havoc screen, just says I get a box, doesn't say how much.
sudden cedar
That would count.
formal hamlet
Aw, it's less? Someone told me 25K of each. Damn.
sudden cedar
Rather, your prospect of easily clearing a H40.
ember nest
^
formal hamlet
Oh I've cleared H40 about 5-6 times already.
sudden cedar
Well then, good work.
formal hamlet
Yeah. I found some folks on this server who were willing to give me a shot.
Died a lot first two missions, but they told me what I'm meant to be doing and I eventually got the hang of out and they said I was actually holding my own, apparently I even did some clutch saves. 
Definitely gave me some confidence, I'm doing more aurics now casually.
It's still pretty sweaty though, feels like I get a new gray hair each time. 
sudden cedar
Kind of understandable really, H40 is a lot about teamwork.
While Auric.. most of the time.. is not.
formal hamlet
Yeah I was worried I'd just be getting carried, or wasting the team's time by making them wipe constantly. They said once I go back to auric, I'm going to feel like a tank in comparison.
sudden cedar
Just don't become complacent.
formal hamlet
In what way?
gilded wraith
What's a good combo for the PS Mk6 vs ragers?
formal hamlet
Those the unarmoured ones? I light spam since it staggers.
gilded wraith
Gotcha!
hollow ibex
Just need to make sure it’s powered as always
ember nest
AHA
I FOUND IT
formal hamlet
Yeah, if one blindsides you it can get a bit hairy trying to power it up.
formal hamlet
What's the usual play in that situation if my shout's on cooldown?
sudden cedar
Thought as much.
@formal hamlet The same as always. Shout or not. Having to rely on the shout is bad.
formal hamlet
Toss a frag at my feet and accept I will take some damage?
sudden cedar
it means you use shout as a crutch.
tame lodge
What's the usual play in that situation if my shout's on cooldown?
Depends on your weapon
If psword
Just special light
Ol
ember nest
@sudden cedarhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6Eudb4bxT0&list=PLEgVioFbi8r4mgOFbvo9_jRSRtYgDxTr7&index=3
formal hamlet
Yeah specifically with power sword, so just tank some damage and get it powered up to kill, got it.
sudden cedar
@ember nest Good for finding it. Interesting.
ember nest
yeah whatever is going on it's not the first time this specific warband has encountered or spoken to the aeldari
formal hamlet
We getting Eldar DLC yeah? 
ember nest
who knows
ratlings were talked about a ton but
nothing
arbites were mentioned once as holding wolfer
arbites
your guess is as good as mine on that front
formal hamlet
I need to google how Arbites is pronounced because every YouTuber says it differently.
Ar-bit-eez.
formal hamlet
I figured it was something like ar-bit-ays but apparently not.
little path
it is
it's based on the word arbitrator, arbitration etc
and they're pronounced ar-bit-tray-tor and ar-bit-tray-shun
formal hamlet
Yeah, those I know since they're just regular words.
little path
give it a few years when they're renamed to Arbitratum Criminalus
formal hamlet
plain osprey
I need to google how Arbites is pronounced because every YouTuber says it differ...
Welcome to JamesWashshops pseudo latinism. Funny thing is, that, depending on social class, time and region even the ancient romans couldnt agree on a common pronunciation 
plain osprey
it's based on the word arbitrator, arbitration etc
Arbitrator is a loanword from latin. So youre supposed to pronounce it like an ancient roman person would
grand perch
ill just ask my next door ancient roman
...he says i should kill all germanics
yeah im gonna disregard that
plain osprey
yeah im gonna disregard that
You can try. I'll meet you at the limes 
sudden cedar
There are more than a million worlds in the Imperium of Man and thus a myriad way of pronouncing it.
Every single one of them are correct in their own way just like languages on our world differ even if they belong to the same family.
I sure as hell wouldn't be able to understand someone speaking pure bavarian
Even tho it technically is german.
plain osprey
Well, they did come out and said they wanted the pseudo latinism way but then again, they also want me to pronounce Lieutenant as leftanant and i'll be dead before i do that.
Its called LEUTNANT
sudden cedar
Its a different word for the same thing.
plain osprey
But only my pronunciation is the right one. Von Clausewitz said so 💀
sudden cedar
little path
Still wild that the official language in 40k is latin
plain osprey
I see, my Landsmann is completley impenetrable regarding my humor
plain osprey
Still wild that the official language in 40k is latin
High Gothic. Low Gothic is English
little path
people who speak high gothic: No one, not even primarchs
plain osprey
people who speak high gothic: No one, not even primarchs
The eldari do
little path
people who speak low gothic: Everyone including the fucking xenos
sudden cedar
@plain osprey High Gothic is High Gothic and Low Gothic is Low Gothic.
Low Gothic is not English.
It is simply presented to us in this way so that we can understand it
And of course so that GW does not have to make a compendium of what Low Gothic actually is.
plain osprey
🤷🏻
Ive heared lore channels say that high Gothic is latin, low Gothic english
I dont care enough about it to make a comprehensive source analysis
sudden cedar
Those Lore Channels aren't accurate enough.
strange crow
🤔
plain osprey
Mine is as stated above
sudden cedar
As long as it does not contradict or violate official material, yes.
plain osprey
Until GW actually comes out with a definition. Which they probably wont
sand zealot
did they get rid of the mortis trial ability where if you kill enemies in executioners stance you don't consume ammo? i've played 10 consecutive matches and haven't seen it
sudden cedar
I guess you got unlucky.
sand zealot
insane
hollow ibex
did they get rid of the mortis trial ability where if you kill enemies in execut...
Might require you take a specific path
I would check games lantern
formal hamlet
Welcome to JamesWashshops pseudo latinism. Funny thing is, that, depending on so...
It's good to know that no matter what age it was, someone was arguing with someone else on how something is pronounced.
plain osprey
Welcome to humanity 🫠
formal hamlet
So with power sword does the rule of dodge > block still very much count? I hear it has less dodge distance and such.
spark canopy
for general horde clear I'd also like to know, is the Achlys or Scandar a better better?
hollow ibex
So with power sword does the rule of dodge > block still very much count? I hear...
Yes but you push more
spark canopy
my Helbore is my elite yoinker
hollow ibex
for general horde clear I'd also like to know, is the Achlys or Scandar a better...
Mk6
spark canopy
preciate ya
hollow ibex
Achlys?
spark canopy
yeah, Achlys is the 6, Scandar is the 3
formal hamlet
I don't think I've ever used anything but the mark VI since day one. 
Wonder how the other one feels.
spark canopy
well considering just about every build i've seen on gameslantern utilizes the 6 and not the 3
grand perch
havent used mk 3 in ages
spark canopy
i'd say it's outclassed
grand perch
no reason to use 3 really
hollow ibex
Yeah
formal hamlet
What's the main difference?
hollow ibex
Fun but straight up worse
grand perch
no awesome push attack stab
formal hamlet
Oh damn, yeah that's big.
grand perch
honestly forgot what the one upside to mk 3 was
faint beacon
no awesome push attack stab
The power of whipping it into their head is a statement though
I do Sunder PC on it when I play Mk3
Mainly cause id rather keep them staggered seeing the downtime is
Noticeable…
hollow ibex
no awesome push attack stab
well it does have an ok PA stab
spark canopy
JUST GIVE ME A FUCKING DUMPSTAT MOBILITY POWER SWORD
spark canopy
FINAFUCKINGLLY
warm schooner
why would you want a dumpstat mobility power sword?
hollow ibex
main things are: worse horde clear due to dependencies on heavies (lights are usable but the angle is worse), no hidden sprint efficiency buff, can't block cancel, and worse PA single target combo
for all thta
you get the ability to charge while sprinting
strange crow
why would you want a dumpstat mobility power sword?
Yeah isn’t it cleave targets? Or is that just mk6
hollow ibex
it still slows you down anyway iirc
warm schooner
Yeah isn’t it cleave targets? Or is that just mk6
dunno about mk6 vs mk3 in that regard, just that mobility by far is the biggest issue with any of the power swords
strange crow
Yeah that’s what I was thinking
grand perch
it is their 1 weakness
warm schooner
especially in high density situations
grand perch
mobility and the charge up but the latter can be lessened with block cancelling
spark canopy
wait so
faint beacon
FINAFUCKINGLLY
orchid hemlock
FINAFUCKINGLLY
Fuck 😞 I feel bad
grand perch
cleave targets
spark canopy
like every single other melee weapon
hollow ibex
it's cleave targets
warm schooner
it's not mobility
grand perch
cleave targets doesnt really make you cleave more. so you dump it
hollow ibex
i mean you can dump mobility, it's just that cleave targets is the better dump...
spark canopy
chat.
strange crow
like every single other melee weapon
Defences is a better dump stat than mobility anyways
orchid hemlock
In fact, mobility on the Power sword is one of the few examples where it is actually somewhat beneficial 💀
tame lodge
What's the main difference?
Mk3 is slightly and I mean slightly behind on everything that mk6 can do
Except mk3 might and I mean might deal with pack of ragers better because of sunder + perfect horizontals
spark canopy
i have had a had a dumpstat cleave targets power sword
for ages.
and i thought it was subpar.
warm schooner
congrats on setting fire to dockets
spark canopy
i'm touching someone.
warm schooner
you have alleviated yourself the burden of having things
orchid hemlock
and i thought it was subpar.
The best way to figure out what dump stat to take on a weapon is to just read the stat values in the information menu
strange crow
and i thought it was subpar.
Just so you know Duelling sword also is the same, dump stat is cleave
faint beacon
mobility
I’m sorry but no
Cleave targets
Cause the difference is literally .3 in powered iirc
hollow ibex
something like that
orchid hemlock
PS also has pretty bad mobility so any amount does help 😭
warm schooner
absolute dogshit mobility
combined with how slow it is to operate, makes spacing a real challenge when in melee. which is compounded by how the vet cannot trade at all in the higher difficulties
faint beacon
Basically with PS you have to balance pushing
4 dodges
And whatever frag you have to ensure you don’t get obliterated
VOC also if you’re running it
spark canopy
okay so i'm bad at finagling how to properly melee in situations, when to block/dodge/push
sand zealot
Might require you take a specific path
i checked games lantern and it doesn't give a specific path. i only see that it requires executioners stance.. i guess fatshark just hates me
spark canopy
is it generally a good idea to do a couple of lights, block and push, couple of lights, etc?
grand perch
i checked games lantern and it doesn't give a specific path. i only see that it ...
i got that in 100% of cases where i had exec in mortis recently
like, 7 matches i got it 7 times?
dense river
I am loving the boltgun for the veteran but I recently unlocked the plasma gun. I am trying not to spend all my money but is it a good purchase?
sand zealot
i got that in 100% of cases where i had exec in mortis recently
i'm on 12 consecutive runs without seeing it
faint beacon
is it generally a good idea to do a couple of lights, block and push, couple of ...
Lights push once you’re out of powered repeat and dodge when only necessary
You can block cancel the start up animation on MkVI by tapping block
MkIII cannot
tame lodge
I am loving the boltgun for the veteran but I recently unlocked the plasma gun. ...
Yes plasma gun is good
sand zealot
I am loving the boltgun for the veteran but I recently unlocked the plasma gun. ...
plasma gun is sick
dense river
Oh sweet theres a anointed plasma gun for sale too so that works : )
faint beacon
I am loving the boltgun for the veteran but I recently unlocked the plasma gun. ...
One of the best guns on Veteran
strange crow
I am loving the boltgun for the veteran but I recently unlocked the plasma gun. ...
It is but the perfect stat distribution is gonna be very hard to get
Especially with limited funds
Just go 60 charge speed for now
dense river
Any good melee for dealing with metal targets up close? I am finding the catachan sword which is great for unarmored isnt really doing anything to armored foes.
strange crow
Any good melee for dealing with metal targets up close? I am finding the catacha...
Yeah the devils claw is pretty sucky against anybting that’s armored, power sword is the best all around vet weapon rn and its great against Carapace
Combat axe is also good
Duelling sword and knife yes but the crazy mobility they have can be a crutch
red fox
I am getting my ass kinda wooped in Auric hi int, when the they just come rushing at you i feel like after using up my bolter i just don't have the stamina or dodges to kite and kill everything :/ frustrating
dense river
I dont want to use dueling swords since it will probably catch a nerf soon and I am trying to learn the game still so I want something fun/skill developing instead of just plain effective
drifting oak
I go between powersword and the OG chainaxe myself
faint beacon
@faint beacon I fucking hate you
drifting oak
both are awkward and immobile in their own unique ways
dense river
Power sword tho now that is something I want : )
drifting oak
but both have insane kill power when it counts
strange crow
I dont want to use dueling swords since it will probably catch a nerf soon and I...
I’d def go with power sword then bc you’ll have to learn how to manage your dodges and learn when to use pushes
uncut pebble
<@820414945543716944> I fucking hate you
Bro is losing his mind.
strange crow
Duelling sword will not help you learn the game as much
faint beacon
@grand perch they’re talking about reliable melees on veteran
narrow frost
Taxe
grand perch
did you know taxe has awesome stagger PLUS mobility and also makes your assorted appendages shrink or grow in size by your preferred amount???
red fox
I am getting my ass kinda wooped in Auric hi int, when the they just come rushin...
Anyone have any advice, i feel like ive never gotten surrounded this bad before and when i push and melee i just cant get out of the crowd
sand zealot
whats ur melee?
try use ur dodges more efficient and take out the elites first if u can
faint beacon
did you know taxe has awesome stagger PLUS mobility and also makes your assorted...
You can also stagger mutants mid charge
Invest into Taxe stocks
tame lodge
red fox
Closed the game but bolter vet with rashad (or ps) exec stance (want to learn to play without relying voc) no keystones
red fox
try use ur dodges more efficient and take out the elites first if u can
Like very few seconds the melee sound is playing i run out of dodges quick
spark canopy
don't rely solely on dodges
ember nest
trying to get used to IV helbore
spark canopy
trying to get used to IV helbore
The Lucius Mk V is the best in my experience
sand zealot
keep ur stamina and dodges and just be more efficitne
spark canopy
missed shots don't punish at much and with the right perks it's as good as the IV, if not better
quiet valley
MkIV is the best mark, MkIII is close second
ember nest
@faint beaconwhats ur strats
spark canopy
i just like the MKV, it hasn't done me wrong
faint beacon
<@820414945543716944>whats ur strats
With MkIV?
spark canopy
i'll give the 4 a try
ember nest
ye
grand perch
mk V doesnt have the convenient breakpoints mk IV has
faint beacon
Unyi/Cara
WOF + Surgical
grand perch
or mk 3 for that matter
faint beacon
Anything remotely at ranged will get beamed
Anything that gets close gets hit by a Tac Axe
red fox
don't rely solely on dodges
Yea i mean i try and push and hit as well . I was up to 7 no death runs, then suddenly just doing terribly
Maybe tired
grand perch
dont worry i blocked them
quick seal
tame lodge
mk V doesnt have the convenient breakpoints mk IV has
Mk4 being the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game so far
Casual Helbore W
As always
faint beacon
More MkIV propaganda
red fox
I'll try and upload something at some point
normal bay
You pick the IV because it hits like a truck.
I pick the IV because it hits like a truck and has the best sights.
We are not the same
faint beacon
You pick the IV because it hits like a truck.
I pick the IV because it hits lik...
I turned mine into a rail gun
We are not the same
spark canopy
i honestly like the V because it's a bit more forgiving for minor mistakes
and also more ammo efficient
(and also faster firerate)
faint beacon
and also more ammo efficient
Check that clip
grand perch
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kIlgp9m4U1mwkweqZ?invite=c...
shark FoV
faint beacon
Running surgical and shock trooper you barely lose ammo
grand perch
eyes a meter apart
faint beacon
Ext Weapon Customization though it’s notorious for crashing after a bit
That being like 3-5 hours
Literally just remind yourself to restart your game lmao
spark canopy
what does the clip demonstrate
ammo efficacy
normal bay
We are not the same
I can only assume we don't get sights because it's not grimdark enough.
The only logical explanation
spark canopy
and damage i believe
spark canopy
I can only assume we don't get sights because it's not grimdark enough.
The onl...
well that and it's WW1maxxing
faint beacon
what does the clip demonstrate
Mutant at the end for some fucking reason it didn’t crop it
faint beacon
It’s cropped on my end by loads the full vid instead
spark canopy
i run a crosshair mod
calm shard
Literally just remind yourself to restart your game lmao
bandaid fix for that btw
spark canopy
adds a customizable crosshair to your standard iron sights
ember nest
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kIlgp9m4U1mwkweqZ?invite=c...
I suppose sights would help a fairly massive amount
faint beacon
bandaid fix for that btw
Keep forgetting too tbh
little path
Sights make the gun not feel like dogshit
I slap on sights on all the guns, especially autoguns
ember nest
I would very much also just like the game to stop freaking out
spark canopy
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kIlgp9m4U1mwkweqZ?invite=c...
what is your secondary? taxe?
ember nest
I love disconnects I love disconnects I love
spark canopy
i've barely used them at all, i might look into that
little path
They're fine
little path
I like using the chaxe
faint beacon
Shockingly on that build when playing with Ainz was consistently not taking a lot of damage
Though Tbf I was playing more passive and was just ensuring ranged units would get shut down immediately
spark canopy
i'm assuming that the dumpstat is mobility?
calm shard
Though Tbf I was playing more passive and was just ensuring ranged units would g...
correct play for helbore gaming
be passive because you are fully capable of killing every elite/specialist in the game by yourself
little path
i'm assuming that the dumpstat is mobility?
ye
little path
be passive because you are **fully** capable of killing every elite/specialist i...
literally every character
calm shard
as long as you don't keep getting harassed by poxy boys
veteran is especially good at it
they are the best elite/specialist killer by like a lot
little path
not really
spark canopy
Veteran, if left unchecked, is great at elite sniping
calm shard
and they get some of the best boss damage too
spark canopy
fuck you arbitrators
calm shard
veteran is the best at it because they can snipe crushers/maulers too
and also have infinite ammo
spark canopy
yeah
ember nest
electostaff m1s:
spark canopy
they're like the only class that has the capability to reup on ammo
little path
Zealots with a revolver:
faint beacon
correct play for helbore gaming
Notice the blitz LMAO
little path
Bistol Boys:
faint beacon
solely run that in Purple + Red
scenic vapor
guys lets admint it vet fell off
normal bay
I struggle to go back to exe stance bolter after castigator stance bolter. Just so easy lol
calm shard
Notice the blitz LMAO
little path
Arbitrators with wallhacks on every elite and specialist that spawns ingame:
faint beacon
My hatred for healing carapace is justified enough to have that be there
Purple + Red btw
spark canopy
Arbitrators with wallhacks on every elite and specialist that spawns ingame:
yeah same thing for Executioner Stance lol
i love when the simple discussion of how veteran is just the best range class comes up
little path
Limited duration, on cooldown
spark canopy
some thin lipped nerd is like "ermmmmm akshually"
and spouting off on specific builds
whereas veteran excels at range in just about any build
little path
specific builds
calm shard
even the regular veteran build is very good
little path
exec stance
calm shard
since vet is 3 for 3 for having the best guns in the game
spark canopy
yep
calm shard
Helbore, Bolter, and Plasma
sand zealot
i got that in 100% of cases where i had exec in mortis recently
FINALLY GOT IT
calm shard
And they have by far the best perks for bolter builds
grand perch
FINALLY GOT IT
little path
weapon swap speed and reload speed
spark canopy
Veteran isn't the best for every situation
little path
He can be
spark canopy
but fuck me sideways if it isn't the best for ranged engagements in 90% of cases
spark canopy
you got a sniper? lemme just pop their head.
calm shard
veteran will never be the best for any situation that is not shooting something
little path
vet is very strong and can be on par with any class (except ogryn)
little path
just run a shout vet with a plasma gun
little path
you can hate them, spit on their name, curse their famlies
but that doesn't change that plasmagun is still the most versatile gun in the vet arsenal
spark canopy
the humble Helbore lasgun:
little path
high carapace damage, swap speed, insane cleave
spark canopy
you can shoot what, 6, maybe 7? shots with the plasma before you have to reload or you explode?
helbore lasgun can goon on 'em for days
don't explode with helbore
can get ammo back with crits
has a special ability
little path
8 shots to reach 100% then you just press lmb and it auto vents a bit
spark canopy
and best of all, it isn't meta
little path
and you keep tshooting
combined with shout vet, the damage you take to toughness doesn't matter
spark canopy
let me guess you run the DS 4 too
little path
you sure do love relying on insults to try to win arguments
spark canopy
oh no i'm just saying you're a meta clinging nerd
little path
I'm just here pointing out plasmagun is still the best gun
spark canopy
play the game that's fun, not what's optimized
scenic vapor
man lets be honest hellbore while beeing cool is kinda dodo
spark canopy
wrong
little path
it's no longer doodoo
spark canopy
i'd prefer a helbore over a plasma gun
tame lodge
man lets be honest hellbore while beeing cool is kinda dodo
You're not being honest
Smh
little path
the swap speed buff was very nice
normal bay
Helbore fucks
little path
it's one of those guns that people will call S-tier no matter what state it's in
people called it S-tier before the buffs, people call it S-tier after
and it's usually always at least pretty fun and pretty strong
but man does it kinda suck to use if you don't have the right teammates
normal bay
It's great if you have the support to blast away in the back
If you're getting harassed all the time or have to clutch its pain
little path
if you have teammates that love to rush forward, not fully clear rooms or knock everything around then not clean up the mobs
little path
then you can get games where you just constantly get harassed by a few pox walkers endlessly
spark canopy
a plasma gun has a lower skill floor and a lower skill ceiling which is why a lot of players flock to it
a helbore has a higher skill floor and a higher skill ceiling which is why people don't like it
if you consistently hit heads with the helbore
it will fuck
little path
by definition yes
faint beacon
then you can get games where you just constantly get harassed by a few pox walke...
At that point let them be behind you and listen to the backstab queues
narrow widget
it will fuck
do not the helbore
faint beacon
Cause I’ll straight up do that and dodge accordingly whilst sniping
narrow widget
💔
little path
helbore requires more skill to use but that does't make it better
ogryn out here proving that in spades
faint beacon
Helbore kinda became better Vigil I hate to admit it but like
little path
more skill required does not mean better
faint beacon
Yeah…
spark canopy
but it has a higher chance of being the best for a situation
not the uncontested best
but i'd much rather have a helbore lasgun player who knows what they're doing
as opposed to a dime-a-dozen plasma gun user
scenic vapor
ight i was wrong then haven't used the gun for a while. Gonna test it rn
little path
I don't actually see many plasmagunners anymore
spark canopy
thank god
little path
Most people who use it are usually playing high havoc
hollow ibex
ight i was wrong then haven't used the gun for a while. Gonna test it rn
night and day with the draw speed buffs tbh
little path
because the game is easy enough that at auric and auric maelstron
you can just run whatever
I've just been running chain axe and las pistol
scenic vapor
@spark canopy may i lend a build? gonna go try it on some havocs
little path
Shout vet but you dip into the left keystone instead of the right one
Or not at all
Vets keystones are kinda whatever
scenic vapor
makes sense
spark canopy
i just focus on elite and specialist munching
a tauntgryn or book zealot is generally best because they keep the chaff off you
scenic vapor
its still surgical and weight of fire?
spark canopy
its still surgical and weight of fire?
i have surgical and armorbane for mine
calm shard
a tauntgryn or book zealot is generally best because they keep the chaff off you
you'd think but book zealots also tend to forget they can actuall kill things
so when chorus runs out you just get mobbed because they don't kill anything
spark canopy
might try WoF though
proper delta
maybe a stupid question but sometimes firing plasma at high heat vents and one time i exploded whats the rule
little path
Just only use uncharged shots on plasma gun
And always aim for the head
You cannot explode except on a charged shot at critical jeat
faint beacon
Surgical WOF is disgustingly good on IV
proper delta
kk ty
calm shard
IIIa also wants the same
hollow ibex
machinegun helbore does not exist. machinegun helbore can't hurt you.
machinegun helbore
tame lodge
Hey
No full auto in the building
little path
Yeah something I always forget when using the helboer is that uncharged shots kill normal shooters in 1
hollow ibex
Hey
No full auto in the building
-salty germans in stalingrad, 1942
calm shard
people will see this damage output and watch me evaporate a plague ogryn before it even reaches the team in havoc matches
and then still blame me when we wipe to ragers xd
calm shard
sounds like V
tall torrent
trust
This for helbore?
U don’t need rending for it unless u specifically rely on it to kill crushers
calm shard
even without it's kinda not awful (IIIa)
little path
Does the rending help with any breakpoints?
tall torrent
No
little path
I used to take it just for my melee weapon but realise it wasn't changing much
tall torrent
Helbore’s ADMs are pretty high
Like
One tap scab rager in base game
And only needing maniac perk to 1 tap flamer
It also auto generates crits with surgical which hit incredibly hard on weakspot
It’s one of the few guns where crit weakspot hits actually push the breakpoints straight into havoc’s health pool
calm shard
It’s one of the few guns where crit weakspot hits actually push the breakpoints ...
honestly not even just havoc
shit can keep breakpoints in havoc through pus hardened skin
just by doing so much damage
tall torrent
shit can keep breakpoints in havoc ***through pus hardened skin***
Well, no, unless u damage juice it
calm shard
I am a damage juicer
some things are just too satisfying to let down y'know?
also does +maniacs matter for helbore now that the maniac ADM is better?
I kinda like running cara+unyielding
calm shard
armor damage modifier
how much enemy health types reduce (or boost) the weapons damage when you shoot them
this
little path
Adm is complicated on the surface
But really just know if you want your weapons to be better and killing ogryns, ragers or monsters
Or just follow the pinned guide
ember nest
what are the battle forged weapons
normal bay
That's what I've been running it with
calm shard
is heavy sword a good idea
yeah it works
ember nest
aight bet
ember nest
I need something a little more immediate into chaff than powersword
calm shard
and what a coincidence the helbore dumpsters them both
spark canopy
i just used the plasma gun
ember nest
it took exactly 2 auric tests to go "oh okay I like this"
spark canopy
dude this thing is so broken lmao
ember nest
i just used the plasma gun
if I wanted to use that I would be asking about that
everyone here knows about that
tall torrent
no i wasn't sure if they nerfed it yet
Not yet
spark canopy
damn
ember nest
like i don't mean to be rude but ion care abt plasma I already got one
ideally it stays strong but it's charge mechanics matter
proper delta
is plasma best roll still 69 thermal resist 71 charge?
ember nest
idk give me aoe explosion upon hitting a solid object if I fully charge it
proper delta
lmao
ember nest
when I care the least about it
this mf
I hope whatever change happens in the future just introduces a better dump stat
wise mystical damage dump sstat plasma when
finally caved and grabbed weapon customimzation
grand perch
finally caved and grabbed weapon customimzation
faint beacon
ember nest
nah a katy that big will eat the fucking spider
do not put that thing near one if you value it's existence
orchid hemlock
ember nest
nice
faint beacon
hand it over
Do not the Katydid
Fun fact I used to care for a few of them
Really cool bugs
grand perch
not a bug fan
ember nest
one day we'll get a helbore with sights that make this mod not feel literally necessary for them 😩
dense river
Any advice for getting more diamanatine for a rookie? I cant really do higher difficulty yet
hollow ibex
Any advice for getting more diamanatine for a rookie? I cant really do higher di...
literally just spam quickplay at the highest difficulty you can reliably win
and explore more
that's basically it
dense river
Damn thats going to be somewhat tough but thanks
Lucky for me I have a decent enough boltgun : )
long dove
anyone got an Autogun build?
formal ice
proper delta
nothing has made me hate dog as much as intentionally grinding penances
calm shard
rework this goddamn tree already
man they aren't even fixing bugs at the moment
despite having the fixes ready
because they went on holiday
shrewd flax
here is the list of mods that i use. Any more recommendations?
wheat stratus
I just want some smoke nade and ammo, and this is what I have to route through
calm shard
here is the list of mods that i use. Any more recommendations?
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/239 https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/10
shrewd flax
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/239 https://www.nexusmods.co...
thanks, custom hud still works withotu bugs? last update is 2 years ago
calm shard
yeah
tall torrent
Any advice for getting more diamanatine for a rookie? I cant really do higher di...
spam damnation quick play and loot
also play havoc every week
orchid hemlock
here is the list of mods that i use. Any more recommendations?
Crosshair remap
Crosshair color
Outline
Danger Zone
Spidey Sense
No Wobble
Full auto
Custom Hud
tall torrent
here is the list of mods that i use. Any more recommendations?
no creature spawner?
orchid hemlock
no creature spawner?
soft trellis
marble yew
Maybe the smoke grenade could be more competetive if it was an impact smoke grenade and also maybe extinguished enemy flames 🤔
distant plaza
does anyone have any tips/build/weapons for getting the killshot ready penance?
orchid hemlock
Maybe the smoke grenade could be more competetive if it was an impact smoke gren...
Smokes are extremely viable already
In havoc they completely shut off shooters and gunners, they also stop Karnak bosses
tall torrent
orchid hemlock
The problem with smokes is that it's very hard to grab them and survivalist for Havoc
But if you play any other game mode, they can be cracked in gunner heavy malestroms
tall torrent
Maybe the smoke grenade could be more competetive if it was an impact smoke gren...
needs to do more than that
gilded rock
In havoc they completely shut off shooters and gunners, they also stop Karnak bo...
Sword twin too?
orchid hemlock
Sword twin too?
No but it does make melee units more disoriented
Like they react slower
I don't remember exactly what they do
ember nest
Crosshair remap
Crosshair color
Outline
Danger Zone
Spidey Sense
No Wobble
Full ...
What's "no wobble"
orchid hemlock
What's "no wobble"
Motion Mod that removes the wobbling of the screen
ember nest
Fatshark loves their unlisted effects don't they
This implies they list the effects in any real capacity
faint beacon
No but it does make melee units more disoriented
Like they react slower
I do...
Basically what Nuncio “Fear” Debuff does
tall torrent
Clear pox gas too then
nah
more than that
faint beacon
Makes their attack combos slower
ember nest
What if smoke grenades got the enemies lit
faint beacon
Highlighted?
ember nest
Amd if they inhaled it it cleaned their lungs and they died becauae-
faint beacon
Oh nvm
ember nest
Highlighted
sleek garden
I am sad people remove all the effects from the game that make it look cool
marble yew
nah
more than that
id think it would slap with those 3 improvements
Maybe some attack speed slow of enemies inside the cloud too but thats just overdoing it i feel like
tall torrent
id think it would slap with those 3 improvements
it can be much more than just that
marble yew
What more do u want lol, would be op if u went much further
tall torrent
What more do u want lol, would be op if u went much further
nah
first off it should just block LoS for bombers
so they can't bomb u in the first place
instead of this "putting out fire/gas" thing
marble yew
You cant expect the grenade to impact the bombers iq
He knows some dudes are in the smoke so he just lobs it into there anyways
tall torrent
make his accuracy throwing into smoke worse at the very least
marble yew
Just the impact nade change would be big
gaunt hare
what’s the dump of the chainaxe and shovel?
calm shard
make his accuracy throwing into smoke worse at the very least
should be globally applied to tox bombers
they should be shit throws
since they're untrained cultists
not having 20 extra meters of range over regular scab bombers, and being able to bounce shit off walls
umbral scaffold
what’s the dump of the chainaxe and shovel?
For chain axe its defence
gilded wraith
Does one of the helbore models stand out as best?
heavy rover
Does one of the helbore models stand out as best?
both the mk iii and mk iv are good
it's pretty much down to preference and setup between the two
gilded wraith
both the mk iii and mk iv are good
Thanks!
faint beacon
what’s the dump of the chainaxe and shovel?
Defences
gaunt hare
thanks
tame lodge
Does one of the helbore models stand out as best?
Mk3 is a good all arounder
Mk4 is the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game so far but has worse bayonet/slower charge
carmine zealot
He knows some dudes are in the smoke so he just lobs it into there anyways
It's like how using a smokescreen in World of Warships encourages everyone to fire torpedoes into it.
plain osprey
Does one of the helbore models stand out as best?
I like the pokey pokey one most
long dove
how should i build around the hellbore?
Which one?
steel veldt
Hard to get used to Weapon Specialist... I constantly switch weapons so I lose the buffs xd
long dove
I like the pokey pokey one most
I'm a Mk4 enjoyer
long dove
Hard to get used to Weapon Specialist... I constantly switch weapons so I lose t...
lol it's good to pick a ranged weapon that has low ammo or slow reloads
plain osprey
I'm a Mk4 enjoyer
What MK is that?
steel veldt
I am running lasgun
carmine zealot
What MK is that?
Should be the heavy one.
plain osprey
Ah ok
hollow ibex
yeah it's the heavy one
spark canopy
Does one of the helbore models stand out as best?
honestly all of them are great lol
plain osprey
I use the pokey one because bayonet go stabbymacstabberson
spark canopy
i think i've been running the lowest secondary damage one
long dove
What MK is that?
The slasher one. Slowest charge up but hardest hitting
spark canopy
MKIV?
plain osprey
Ah ok
long dove
I love me MK IV
spark canopy
i like the MKIV, definitely the closest we have to a marksman rifle
MKV is a lot more forgiving and faster firerate
also the pokey special action is nice
carmine zealot
I can't use the Helbore. Too many loose poxwalkers. And ping.
long dove
I can't use the Helbore. Too many loose poxwalkers. And ping.
rrip
hollow ibex
bayo can deal with loose poxwalkers
spark canopy
i use the helbore as my precision weapon
surreal rune
Which one?
mkiv currently
hollow ibex
and the swap speed buff makes killing hordes much less painful
spark canopy
taxe 7 or power sword for hordes
heavy rover
mkiv currently
are you asking about talents or perks/blessings?
long dove
i like the MKIV, definitely the closest we have to a marksman rifle
I played Mk4 exclusively for a while and it's the main reason I can now just defauly aim for head
carmine zealot
Do you ADS or not most of the time?
long dove
mkiv currently
I love that one
spark canopy
Do you ADS or not most of the time?
ADS a lot
it helps with actually hitting where you're aiming
(less bloom)
like 90% of the time when i shoot i'm ADSing
only time that's not the case is when a scab bruiser (the ones with the mace looking weapons, not the elites/specialists though) is right in my face
carmine zealot
I feel like every time I ADS a random poxwalker takes all my health.
spark canopy
listen for the audio cue that you're about to get hit
or just toss a shredder down at your feet
you'll still get hit occasionally but you can dodge whilst ADSing
i think the helbore has 3 or 4 effective dodges
carmine zealot
Ah ok.
long dove
I know in Meat Grinder set to Auric, if I pop exec and Focus Target the crusher, I can one shot it in the head with my Mk IV Helbore
spark canopy
yep
it's fucking insane
it's why i prefer it over the plasma gun
though plasma is pretty good in it's own right
surreal rune
are you asking about talents or perks/blessings?
all, general setup for hellbore
long dove
though plasma *is* pretty good in it's own right
so is recon
spark canopy
all, general setup for hellbore
well, a pretty good set is:
flak/unyielding + carapace (for crusher, mauler, bulwark, and reaper hunting) for perks
weight of fire + surgical
for the MKV Helbore i flex between WoF and Armorbane
i haven't used the MK III enough to know what's it great at
long dove
well, a pretty good set is:
flak/unyielding + carapace (for crusher, mauler, bul...
this, weight of fire and surgical go well together
carmine zealot
Helbore in Darktide is interesting. On the TT it's just another lasgun. But here it's closer to a hotshot lasgun.
heavy rover
all, general setup for hellbore
i can show you my setup if you want a reference point https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-grenadier-havoc
steep flower
Remember guys; Field Improv is bad & niche pick https://streamable.com/yxl85x
long dove
if you also wanna meme a bit, grab some lvl 410 +3 stamina Curios and go Deadshot. You drain Stamina but higher crit
long dove
Remember guys; Field Improv is bad & niche pick <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163...
Who says Field Improv is bad?
heavy rover
hey now i used to run deadshot before helbore buffs. Ran it for infantry las and it got me through havoc
carmine zealot
Is the rending strikes talent no good?
steep flower
Who says Field Improv is bad?
many ppl consider it... not that good
Yet the situations where it shines keep popping up; i dunno man
long dove
many ppl consider it... not that good
why? Takes my corruption away, heals me faster, and gives me nades on ammo restock?
long dove
hey now i used to run deadshot before helbore buffs. Ran it for infantry las an...
There was a build with recon and Deadshot and the guy was like "I could fire for a minute"
heavy rover
Is the rending strikes talent no good?
for a helbore build, not really
carmine zealot
I guess the base armor pen is good enough?
long dove
I guess the base armor pen is good enough?
for what?
heavy rover
yeah
carmine zealot
for what?
I was asking why rending strikes isn't worth it for helbore build. Is it because the Helbore already does well against armor?
long dove
I was asking why rending strikes isn't worth it for helbore build. Is it because...
oh yeah pretty much. Just use the perks
scenic vapor
well, a pretty good set is:
flak/unyielding + carapace (for crusher, mauler, bul...
i have tested the hallborn on havoc 40 u were right it kicks ass
spark canopy
yep yep
if you hit heads
it fucks
it fucks hard
it asks for consent first but nonethless
heavy rover
helbore is my go-to for havoc
spark canopy
unfortunately the infantry lasgun is just
sad
it's such a shame because it was one of my favorite guns when i first started playing
carmine zealot
sad
Even on launch it was annoying with the need to spam the fire button constantly.
spark canopy
okay so i am devising a perk tree for a helbore focused build
i avoided any skills that focus on rending, because the helbore renders that obsolete
i'm thinking field improv
that or determined, the suppression immunity skill
long dove
unfortunately the infantry lasgun is just
Yeah Infantry one just feels so bland. The recoil and lack of damage fucks my aim a
spark canopy
maybe deadshot? i do run triple stamina regen for my curios
spark canopy
i'll probably do field improv then
long dove
and you dump stability on it
spark canopy
get all the ogryns to love me
heavy rover
I'd say extra grenade, gives you more opportunitity for breathing room
spark canopy
and you dump stability on it
oh i had a half n' half stat between charge and stability
this is my helbore
long dove
I'd replace The Bigger they Are... with Counter-Fire
carmine zealot
Yeah Infantry one just feels so bland. The recoil and lack of damage fucks my ai...
Less or minimal recoil would help a lot.
long dove
eh I wwent low stab since I fire slow enough even with WoF that I can just re-acquire heads
spark canopy
I'd replace The Bigger they Are... with Counter-Fire
which tree is that? 😅
dense river
How do I use the power sword? The power mode keeps turning off after a second or two of beng charged
spark canopy
How do I use the power sword? The power mode keeps turning off after a second or...
turn on power
swing three/four times
turn power on again
long dove
which tree is that? 😅
The node that branches from Exec Stance
spark canopy
dodge and block + push as needed
carmine zealot
The node that branches from Exec Stance
Ok ignore what I just said.
spark canopy
How do I use the power sword? The power mode keeps turning off after a second or...
i'm assuming this is for horde clear
Achlys Mk VI is better for horde clear, make sure to bring Power Cycler Blessing
long dove
Ok ignore what I just said.
whoops I replied to you by mistake lol. My bad. Did I ignore you or did I answer?
dense river
Achlys Mk VI is better for horde clear, make sure to bring Power Cycler Blessing
Oh that must be what I am missing. Mine keeps losing charge after a sigle strike
carmine zealot
whoops I replied to you by mistake lol. My bad. Did I ignore you or did I answer...
I meant that I was wrong about Counter Fire. I thought it was the increased suppression one.
spark canopy
Oh that must be what I am missing. Mine keeps losing charge after a sigle strike
Power Cycler 4 gives you 2 additional chain charged hits
so you turn on power, swing three/four times, turn on power again
spark canopy
I'd replace The Bigger they Are... with Counter-Fire
preciate it, i'll give it a looksee
i guess it's hard to miss the ogryn sized enemies lol
long dove
I meant that I was wrong about Counter Fire. I thought it was the increased supp...
oh I don't think I saw that
spark canopy
i do have a question though, does them not being outlined exclude them from receiving the extra critical damage bonus? or are they just no longer outlined?
long dove
i guess it's hard to miss the ogryn sized enemies lol
Well that and a lot of times the shooters are a pain cause volume of fire so you can quickly start picking them off in Exec Stance, plus it can extend your time in Stance
steel veldt
Does melee attack speed affect charged attacks too?
spark canopy
oh? so killing ranged minor enemies that are outlined, not just elites/specialists also extends your time?
damn.
dense river
so you turn on power, swing three/four times, turn on power again
Thanks thats a huge help man : )
long dove
i do have a question though, does them not being outlined exclude them from rece...
I don't think so but having them outlined means your time is reset when you kill them
spark canopy
Thanks thats a huge help man : )
of course!
long dove
oh? so killing ranged minor enemies that are outlined, not just elites/specialis...
Go to Meat Grinder and see for yourself 🙂
carmine zealot
Go to Meat Grinder and see for yourself 🙂
There's even a penance for extending the stance time to 20 seconds.
long dove
There's even a penance for extending the stance time to 20 seconds.
5 times!
hollow ibex
oh? so killing ranged minor enemies that are outlined, not just elites/specialis...
killing anything that's outlined
long dove
I will say nothing makes me feel more like a badass than being in Exec Stance just one shotting everything with a Helbore
tall torrent
Does melee attack speed affect charged attacks too?
no
charged attacks are kinda weird
spark canopy
killing anything that's outlined
oh that is so fucking lethal.
steel veldt
so with weapon specialist I should just spam lights?
tall torrent
attack speed in this game affects the interval between attack actions can be performed
the charging period for charged attacks (ex: helbore's charged shots) are not part of this interval
so what u'll see being kinda weird is that
WoF for helbore IV, doesn't actually make the interval between inputs faster
but it will make charging noticeably faster
tall torrent
so with weapon specialist I should just spam lights?
for what
tall torrent
I meant, which weapon are u talking abt
steel veldt
knife
carmine zealot
Does melee attack speed affect ranged weapons? Or is charged attack supposed to be heavy melee?
tall torrent
knife doesn't have charge attacks?
steel veldt
I meant heavies
tall torrent
heavy attack is not the same thing as charged attack
calm shard
Does melee attack speed affect ranged weapons? Or is charged attack supposed to ...
melee attack speed does not
steel veldt
ty
calm shard
I think arbites is the only class currently that has just regular old attack speed that improves both ranged weapons and melee weapons
tall torrent
I think arbites is the only class currently that has just regular old attack spe...
no
zealot
calm shard
why those two?
long dove
WoF for helbore IV, doesn't actually make the interval between inputs faster
but...
That's what matters
tall torrent
That's what matters
both matter
long dove
both matter
true but faster charging makes time between shots faster
surreal rune
is there any use for marksman's focus?
surreal rune
noted
long dove
I mean, niche cases but you really don't wanna be sitting around anymore
narrow frost
I'm still wondering what makes a good Autogun build
damage
narrow frost
is there any use for marksman's focus?
vigilant auto guns
narrow frost
and helbore likes it
long dove
and helbore likes it
standing still though
long dove
unless you're getting headshots every 6 seconds
unreal forge
How do I use the power sword? The power mode keeps turning off after a second or...
there's a blessing that lets you have more swings with it before it turns off
but accept that you'll spend most of the match locked onto its power up animation.
fucking hate it
hollow ibex
the weapon is so good that it has a tax blessing
unreal forge
genius FS as usual
proper delta
which heavy sword for horde clear / what combo
long dove
but accept that you'll spend most of the match locked onto its power up animatio...
doesn't blocking reset that animation?
long dove
still clunky as shit
yup
heavy rover
doesn't blocking reset that animation?
yeah, mk vi power sword has block cancel for the power up animation
surreal rune
not to mention that the power sword has terrible mobility, even at max
long dove
@spark canopy I just remembered something! If you hold to ADS with the Mk IV Helbore as you swap from melee it'll ready to fire faster than if you switched and let it complete the animation
long dove
yeah, mk vi power sword has block cancel for the power up animation
only the 6?
long dove
Idk if Im doing it right but I feel like I just wave my sword around like an idiot lol
hollow ibex
charge and block immediately
you'll get into the flow of things
or charge and push
that works too
calm shard
is there any use for marksman's focus?
highest damage boost of any vet keystone
very easy to stack to maximum damage off common enemies
long dove
very easy to stack to maximum damage off common enemies
I feel it's to easy to lose those stacks
calm shard
yes
but it's equally easy to get max stacks so
only time it isn't easy is during bosses when the game doesn't spawn enemies
if it's horde+boss just shoot at vaguely head level into the poxboys
tame lodge
which heavy sword for horde clear / what combo
Mk9
Heavy 2 heavy 3 loop
surreal rune
not to mention that the power sword has terrible mobility, even at max
this can be mitigated with weapon specialist
long dove
Is Close Quarters Killzone better than Duck and Dive for Recon Lasgun shout build?
hollow ibex
Generally yeah
long dove
Just asking
lucid pike
Whats the current best setup for helbore lasgun?
past stratus
as in? Stats? Blessings?
long dove
lotta helbore talk tonight. I like it
past stratus
I think it can at times outperform the Plasma after the buffs
remote sonnet
+5 crit +Unyielding. Armour bane/Infernus/Weight of fire + Surgical are popular.
remote sonnet
Depending on mark
past stratus
at Mk IV I think Surgical + Weight of Fire is the optimal setup
remote sonnet
Each of the 3 goes with one different trait. Surgical is generally the only constant.
past stratus
on Mk III I can see Armour Bane being ok but even then I prefer infernus, for noob reasons. If I miss a headshot but get a crit body shot, I sometimes can kill an enemy with the burn
sleek garden
I knew it
The slash bayonet has better cleave
Also I would never get rid of stability
tame lodge
6.5 cleave
Less 1st target damage than the others
Higher 2nd target Dmg than the others
long dove
+5 crit +Unyielding. Armour bane/Infernus/Weight of fire + Surgical are popular.
I used carapace and I can't remember the other
past stratus
I think I'm currently using Carapace + Maniac on mine
long dove
Also I would never get rid of stability
You don't really need it on the Mk IV
spark canopy
this is my helbore 4
remote sonnet
on Mk III I can see Armour Bane being ok but even then I prefer infernus, for no...
Or just shoot a second time.
Armour bane mostly good if you hit repeatedly.
past stratus
yeah but I don't really know if the math works for the Mk III and there is no reason to use it on the MkIV unless you really want to do damage to bosses
remote sonnet
No, it is not worth it on mk4.
long dove
Yeah 4 hits like a brick to the teeth
past stratus
I changed mine to Mk III today, I'm going to run a few games with it tomorrow and test some shit to see if I like it
past stratus
but generally I just prefer Mk IV
remote sonnet
I'm mk5 enjoyer.
past stratus
I used that once and my conclusion was that it was just a bad version of III and IV but that was just my first impression
idk if it is actually good for something
calm shard
it is way faster than either of them so if you REALLY hate gunners
and want a gun that does damage unlike the infantry lasgun
past stratus
I always felt that was Mk III, it's good to use when you want to play the Infantry Lasgun but then you remember the Infantry Lasgun is not good. So you play Helbore Mk III and you have that fantasy of having a functional laser rifle.
tall torrent
after 3hrs of looking at code I've decided to scrap stagger detail values for chain weapons' saw-rip attacks because the code there is too complex for the avg player to ever consider needing to calculate
they're just as fked as charged attacks' and pellet-based attacks' stagger scaling
tame lodge
calm shard
after 3hrs of looking at code I've decided to scrap stagger detail values for ch...
and even besides that don't they mostly always stagger in practice?
tall torrent
and even besides that don't they ***mostly*** always stagger in practice?
The saw-rip attacks do meet some stagger breakpoints
But their stagger values are pretty complex
By complex I mean they’re listed as like 4 different values
There’s the attack itself
The sticky damage of the attack
The special activated version of the attack
And the sticky damage of the special activated version of the attack
And since the attack itself might not do saw-rip
I don’t get what the normal sticky damage is for
And I also don’t know what the special activated version’s difference with the sticky damage of the special activated version
There’s also last-tick damage for special activated attacks which is its own damage template
carmine zealot
I don’t get what the normal sticky damage is for
Don't chain weapons have that mini-activation thing with heavy attacks?
tall torrent
Don't chain weapons have that mini-activation thing with heavy attacks?
Not all of them
Only 3 of them do
carmine zealot
I was wondering if it did anything or just cosmetic.
calm shard
it is actually a seperate hit
tall torrent
I was wondering if it did anything or just cosmetic.
It’s not cosmetic at the very least
carmine zealot
I was using the chainsword on Arbites and it felt so much better than on Veteran for some reason.
hollow ibex
because arbi's broken good lol
sleek garden
Why do people say the infantry lasgun does no damage
strange crow
Why do people say the infantry lasgun does no damage
Very bad ADM
sleek garden
It can 1-2 shot just about every important enemy that isn't in carapace
strange crow
Less damage at close range
sleek garden
It's actually easier for mine to one shot a scab gunner than a dreg gunner
Also it can clear out all the baby shooters
tropic notch
The vigilant auto is just a better infantry las
tame lodge
Real? Real? Real?
hollow ibex
helbore is a better ilas
tame lodge
proceeds to 2 shot body mauler with Vigi 7
remote sonnet
For other class, maybe. For vet with shock troop, I disagree.
tropic notch
For other class, maybe. For vet with shock troop, I disagree.
Survivalist
Unless you’re doing a specific build you typically path to get CaB
calm shard
It's actually easier for mine to one shot a scab gunner than a dreg gunner
it's like this for most dreg enemies
because they all have more health
hollow ibex
stupid scab gunners
wearing all this armor
when you just be taking axes and las shots to the head
calm shard
how long did it take for scab ragers to not be directly inferior to dreg ones
calm shard
Why is unarmored the tankist type
because most weapons have nearly 1.00 ADM into it
tropic notch
because most weapons have nearly 1.00 ADM into it
calm shard
while 1.00+ is very common into maniacs/flak to make up for those enemies (usually) higher health
calm shard
What has the highest
no fuckin' idea I don't think about unarmored damage
gaunt hare
what’s the magnacore plas dump stat
tropic notch
what’s the magnacore plas dump stat
@tired egret
gaunt hare
it does?
calm shard
mhm
gaunt hare
damn
tame lodge
it does?
Yeah the whole weapon is charge based
Primary just charges it to around 52% before shooting
gaunt hare
oh
tame lodge
It's why blessings with "charge" on it works with primary
gaunt hare
damn i found a 60 charge one
calm shard
slow fire rate