veteran-class

[fringe pelican]

I hate it that they make sometimes good stuff but then they dont fix stuff for months

Love hate relationship

Abusive relationship

[red robin]

I swear if claw gets counterattack in its blessing pool, imma be happy as a clam

[void dragon]

Embrace the truth, hate them every time

[fringe pelican]

[red robin]

Fast combo sounds like fun

[compact oracle]

at least its not anything game breakingly bugged this time

[tame lodge]

They fixed bladed momentum recently

[compact oracle]

arbites is immortal anyway

[narrow widget]

EMBRACE NURGLES TRUTH!!!!!

[tame lodge]

Took them a year

[compact oracle]

what the hell is bladed momentum

[tame lodge]

It's a blessing

[compact oracle]

oh

[tame lodge]

On the heavy sword

[void dragon]

Ew, no
He stinky, no farts
Only hate

[red robin]

Headshot kills give 3 seconds of 20% crit chance

Before it was 10% flat regardless of tier

[tame lodge]

The bug made it so it was only 10% across all tiers

Took them a ~year to fix it

[fringe pelican]

Heavy sword ive had recommended to me few times but i cant get into it

[compact oracle]

cool looking weapon, i just like having carapace damage on melee

[fringe pelican]

I cant get over shovel

Its way too fun

[narrow widget]

when I was a wee vet all I'd use was turtolsky heavy sword

whichever mark that was

[fringe pelican]

Also combat axe way too good

[void dragon]

Not even that powerful considering it's blessings
Still Hella fun because SHOVEL TO YER FACE! *Clonk

[red robin]

Flying pan l4d2 energy

[fringe pelican]

Fun>le meta

[past stratus]

Heavy Sword is pretty fun to play with

[void dragon]

This one I don't get, I genuinely don't feel Caxes are good

[narrow widget]

spam heavies into a boss's face

[fringe pelican]

Guess its just your preference but caxe is stupid

[void dragon]

They feel clunky as hell, even with the Bromentum thingy

[red robin]

The capapace dmg is just a lot of single target

[past stratus]

I just wish the Heavy Sword didn't clink off armor 😭

[fringe pelican]

Deserved

[red robin]

Perfect strike

[fringe pelican]

Play superior weapon

Knoife

[red robin]

But no dmg

Atleast it’ll avoid the carapace clinking

[void dragon]

Lies, superior weapon is the toothpick of evil

[fringe pelican]

I hope they nerf dsword mk4 slightly

I really like it but i dont wanna swing a cardboard stick

[red robin]

I just hope they give the claw sword flak adm adjustments

Combat knife punch does more flak dmg than claw sword light

[void dragon]

Even a big Nerf will see it as strong among the weapons, specially if they don't nerf the mobility

[fringe pelican]

I just like slashing hordes with lights and then using heavies for armored big guys it feels nice

Other marks feel shit against even carapace but idk about their numbers

[red robin]

Parry atk having 0.5 carapace adm kinda decent buff

Like it’s up from 0.25

[fringe pelican]

Ive had zealot "tank" with that few days ago they did fine except the part where they get cornered by the horde and then trapper shoots em through the horde or mutant grabs em

[past stratus]

I played with it the other day, the Claw is super cool when you can 1v1 the Crusher or the Mauler. But it is completely fucking useless when a horde of them is attacking you

[red robin]

Yeahh

[fringe pelican]

I think if it got more "defensive" buffs it could be a cool panic weapon to defend yourself with on like vet or something

[red robin]

I do crazy in the super controlled environment of the psykarium with creature spawner, but once I get into game I choke and fumble fighting 1 crusher

[fringe pelican]

Even better parry or better push attack etc etc

[half glade]

How big is FS? I mean, for a company that tries to pull through the game-as-a-service stunt, they should be kinda big player, no? Indie studios usually don't do this crap. But then again, at least you would expect a proper look customization system then, with big company's resources. Not just a dozen faces (80% of which are ugly as crap), and 3 slots for armor instead of at least 6 (legs should be split into pants and boots, chest into chest and gloves etc). That's, like, basics, that allow you to build some really creative looks (and thus boost their sales of premium stuff, as people are really invested into building ones). And their approach to colors is beyond awful. Instead of them being just skins, they just copy-paste same item multiple times with a different color. That's beyond sloppy for a company that plans to monetize looks

[red robin]

Mk7 claw has a good stab that chains into overhead light

[past stratus]

comparing to the DS where you can just chain heavies in the crusher's head in 2s

and kill it

lmao

[fringe pelican]

Im spoiled by space marine 2

[red robin]

Uncanny strike does it all

[fringe pelican]

I feel like a happy manchild in that game, coloring my army men

[atomic void]

they've always been poorly mismanaged

take it or leave it

[red robin]

I just hope that the money people aren’t doing money people fuckery

[half glade]

I'm spoiled by Guild Wars 2 lol, you can spend weeks on building a perfect look for your character there, never run out of options.

[red robin]

Like cutting staff size for 0.00001 more profit margins

[tame lodge]

180 people iirc

Not all devs

[fringe pelican]

Yeah my fav mmorpg, thousands of xmog charges spent

[half glade]

the number of colors they offer is insane, I've been playing for 2 years, still have only like 70% unlocked

and I really invested into unlocking them

[red robin]

Microsoft looking grim, esp with news of halo dev team being miserable and unhappy with the new halo game in development

Can’t win

[atomic void]

sm2 players are spoiled they always complain about lacking options looool

even tho it whoops every other game almost

with customization

[fringe pelican]

Im happy GW is happy with SM2 being the most sold wh40k game so they made it so sm3 is secured

[atomic void]

1 billion heavily customizable body parts and paintjobs

[fringe pelican]

Darktide needs victor saltzpyre

All complaints gone

[red robin]

True

[atomic void]

last rotation's set is basically saltzpyre

[red robin]

He exists only in zealot drip

And with scab captain voice

[fringe pelican]

Yeah but him as a person

[proper delta]

is the unfoldable shovel comparable to the foldables or am i better off using foldable

[red robin]

Unfoldable the best shovel

That stagger on special does it all

[proper delta]

thats what you love to hear

bet

[narrow widget]

darktide already has saltz

[red robin]

Aura farm by headshotting a mutant with special instead of easily dodging him

[half glade]

So not indie, then? I saw a lot of people calling them indie developer, is it an on-going joke of sort?

[fringe pelican]

Indie devs i follow do a better job

[red robin]

What does the game look like?

[tame lodge]

Mk1 and mk7 are basically the same move set with different specials

Mk3 only shines against armor

Sucks at everything else

[red robin]

Pepe hands

[red robin]

Love to see it

[fringe pelican]

Beauty

[red robin]

Damn wtf

[steep flower]

Wdym it sucks? Its very good… i dunno what was your perk & blessing choice tho

[tame lodge]

Man

[red robin]

I didn’t know mk1 shovel special just ignores stagger reduction

[tame lodge]

We already talked about this before

Mk1 and 7 have better clear than it

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-how-many-times-do-we-need-to-teach-you-old-man-slow-thick-gif-12272188

[steep flower]

The only shovels i consider is mk1 cause OG is great & it can actually deal dmg to unyielding & mk3 cause flip wont get you stuck like mk7 does & has very good CC on its lights, first heavy & push att

[fringe pelican]

I still cant decide on shovel mark

[red robin]

Give em a try

[steep flower]

I only wish antax Caxe could have finesse instead of… cleave targets…

[fringe pelican]

I just use unfoldable and call it a day usually

[red robin]

Go mk1 into mk7 into mk3

Mk7 got that meaty hit that takes a bit

[fringe pelican]

Sanest darktide advice

[red robin]

Mk3 is a quick pop in then out

[steep flower]

Only weakness on it is cara so you can patch it with uncanny

[red robin]

Answer to everything

Uncanny strike

[fringe pelican]

For me lights matter the most and if i can cleave enough with it and still do dmg to ragers n shit im happy, heavy always for tough guys

[steep flower]

That stuck up will get you killed eventually thats why mk3 is better in that department

[red robin]

Yeah, but sometimes doing big damage fun

[fringe pelican]

Is stuck that long even?

Maybe im lucky idk

[steep flower]

Then Mk3 will be your best bet; my favourite & great againts anything exept unyielding

[red robin]

MK7 shovel with Skullcrusher gets hardcoded stagger on most enemies on entry hit then removal hit adds 1 stack of skullcrusher

[fringe pelican]

I main on zealot evisc and i never get caught anyways

[steep flower]

Test it in psykanium & compare it to mk3

[steep flower]

Yup; blessing choices;
Mk1; deci + uncanny
Mk3; skull + deci

[knotty veldt]

Does anyone have a high havoc viable recon las build I can look at? Also cant decide between dumdum and headhunter

[steep flower]

Both blessings are viable

[tame lodge]

Dumdum always

Scales too well

[red robin]

Quick question, do crushers get staggered on claw sword perfect parry?

[steep flower]

I am curious; can you do a test with dumdum vs headhunter againts boss? See which one deals better dmg? Please

[red robin]

Or do you need Hammerblow to do that

[tame lodge]

Currently? No

I'm at work

[steep flower]

Later? I am a patient pepe

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-patrick-what-do-you-normally-do-when-im-gone-wait-gif-3667142

[strange crow]

Isn’t that why you bring infernus though?

[tame lodge]

Sure
Hope I don't get a 12 hours shift today though

[red robin]

Not making fun of you I just like referencing spongebob

[steep flower]

Infernus is like vs anything

[steep flower]

I will channel my inner magic for you to not get fked then

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/saruman-palantir-gif-19765279

[fringe pelican]

I thought they do but maybe ive dreamt of it

[steep flower]

Ok thats something worth testing

[red robin]

I see it in the pinned vet guide that claw can stagger crusher

But idk if values changed since then

[fringe pelican]

Do different marks have different parry even? I literally used one mk on claw

[red robin]

Or if psykarium jank making readings weird

[fringe pelican]

Ignored that wep more than my work

[red robin]

Different follow-up, mk7 got a stab

[fringe pelican]

[tribal flax]

Is the dueling sword still broken?

[red robin]

MK1 chains into a overhead, mk4 is a slash

[red robin]

Ye

[tribal flax]

Nice 😎

[sonic kayak]

Seems to be similar TTK on a PlOgryn with just magdumping on my Onslaught REcon

Almost 2 mags

[red robin]

But generally I think the claw variants have the same value on the parry riposte

[strange crow]

Not the best vet weapon but still a massive crutch

[sonic kayak]

I understand that Dumdum boosts Infernus' damage though?

[fringe pelican]

Or DO they?

[red robin]

Idk I kinda study patch notes on the claw to see wtf they changed on each variant

[fringe pelican]

Make claw a crutch parry wep FS

[red robin]

Might do a tism thing and compile claw changes throughout patch history

[sonic kayak]

It isn't already?

[red robin]

All that work for nothing burger weapon

[fringe pelican]

No because it takes 2 ragers to ruin your day

[sonic kayak]

That's why you spam parry

[red robin]

Ragers spam parry, crushers it’s sekiro time

[fringe pelican]

I suggested earlier i kinda hope claw gets buffed defensive aspects of it so it becomes this parry panic ohshit weapon

[red robin]

It has

[past stratus]

I only really find the DS useful on my Flame Staff Psyker, as a Vet it is not that nice. As a vet my biggest problem isn't really elites it's small little fuckers overwhelming my ass. Since Vets are made out of toilet paper

[fringe pelican]

Hordes is what ds struggles with too

Besides if you play psyker you play force gs no question its way too cool

[past stratus]

yeah, that's why I think the PSword is the best weapon for Vet, it's good at taking care of hordes fast

[fringe pelican]

I shovel hordes ez

[knotty veldt]

Mathwise dumdum seems to pull quite ahead because the recon has a very small crit multiplier anyway at least in terms of damage, but what about the synergy with infernus and shock trooper? Grand scheme of things it prob doesnt help too much with shock trooper but with infernus doesnt it make a huge difference reliably applying the burn stacks to enemies quickly? Honestly even debating Infernus at all cos outside of bosses stuff dies too quick for it to rly matter no?

[sonic kayak]

It really needs more flak ADM than anything, at this point the Heavy Sword is superior in pretty much every way (always has been?)

Although the new damage profile on the Mk 7's stab is quite nice

[narrow widget]

L lasgun post
embrace bolter supremacy

[steep flower]

Its cause if you magdump the boss head you crit more = you spent less ammo = you can shoot longer = keep maintaining DPS

[calm shard]

dum dum makes the burn stacks do more damage

also keep in mind that recon lasguns have long crit chains

[steep flower]

Only 2 crit string; not that big

[half glade]

wth lol

[tawdry osprey]

Hmm.. dumdum and crit for the las that costs 2 ammo per shot, dumdum and infernus for the other 2?

[unreal nova]

You can do that. Though most will tell you the brown one is meh once you get to havoc.

[tawdry osprey]

Racism

Which one is brown

[unreal nova]

The slow one.

[tawdry osprey]

The highest dmg?

[unreal nova]

Blue is fast.

Green is med.

Brown is the slow one.

[unreal nova]

If you are going to reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee at my colourblindness, old news.

[tawdry osprey]

I'm in the bath I have no idea about colors

[unreal nova]

.-.

[void isle]

So I've been running the whole bleed build, shredders, knife, bolt pistol for a while, but I feel like vets falling behind a bit. Any other good build suggestions

[sonic kayak]

What do you want to use?

I have a funni recon lasgun build that I think is courtesy of Cole, smokes plasma, my good pal Papa Willy has a shout boltgun build

[tawdry osprey]

Recon lasgun

[void isle]

Honestly not sure, I pretty much have everything as vet is my most played so I could swap wherever. I used to run bolter and dueling sword

[tawdry osprey]

Pew nonstop. Funny

[void isle]

I haven't done that one yet

What's the recon build

[tawdry osprey]

Gimme a moment while I fetch

[void isle]

Mmhmm

[sonic kayak]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9df7045e-30c5-419a-b8f2-36526aa5a32f/point-and-click-adventure?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

I use a very similar build to this

Basically a Recon Onslaught build

[void isle]

Neat

Ty

Shovel mandatory there?

[sonic kayak]

Nah

[tawdry osprey]

This is my build after looking at a few and modifying their ideas
Gunning is slow so you're often behind your team, the DS is fast and can spam dodges to get back to your team quickly

[void isle]

I got a maxed duelling sword so that's an easy transfer

Guessing mobility dump on the recon?

[tawdry osprey]

Yeah

[steep flower]

Some changes can be implemented

[calm shard]

but equally also gun is so good at killing elites crushers and maulers included that you kinda really need a way to clear hordes

especially if you're dropping one of the grenade regen for the gun build

[void isle]

I love my grenade regen

[steep flower]

Swap get back in the fight with catch a breath; better yield
You do not need suppression immunity you’re using a recon; get precision strikes instead
50% more suppression in the middle is not needed; get born leader for this build
Rest is fine/good but i would recommend taking demo team instead of 15% ranged dmg if not hit in melee

[calm shard]

fine for aurics anyways

[hollow ibex]

taking DS with onslaught is very redundant

[calm shard]

yeah that's the main problem really

[hollow ibex]

both do the same thing

[steep flower]

Its for recon

[calm shard]

if you have onslaught your recon lasgun kills armor

[hollow ibex]

if you're going to take DS might as well just melee crushers

[calm shard]

so you don't need DS which is a single target only melee

and that

[hollow ibex]

also if you need to do onslaught for whatever reason, run mk12 recon las instead of mk6

[steep flower]

Sometimes you can’t; its a nice option

[calm shard]

it's redundant and a waste of your loadout

what's gonna happen you're gonna run out of ammo?

[hollow ibex]

nice enough that it's worth 2-3 points?

[steep flower]

You won’t lmao

[void isle]

So which recon is the best choice?

[steep flower]

Its for the team

[steep flower]

All marks are good

[unreal nova]

It still works with 6 actually. XD

Bosses be gone.

[calm shard]

terrible idea in loadout decision making

[hollow ibex]

you got a DS, crushers aren't an issue for the team unless they'er shit to begin with

[calm shard]

you don't take things for the team

you take things that help you and utility they provide for the team is secondary

[hollow ibex]

it does, but XII is way more efficient with onslaught

[calm shard]

because you need to pull your own damn weight first

[hollow ibex]

yeah and that

[void isle]

So DS, PS or CS

[hollow ibex]

fuck the team lol

[hollow ibex]

chord is never the answer

PS is the best vet melee

[calm shard]

the most useless players I see in havoc are all support builds

that are incapable of pulling their own weight

[hollow ibex]

"i have a support build!"

[calm shard]

and make the excuse that they're playing for the team

as to why they can't handle poxwalkers on their own

[unreal nova]

True, but funni.

[void isle]

Tbf there is one support build thst works

[steep flower]

Selfishness makes a worse teammate; nothing worse than a bunch of individualists in a team based game

[void isle]

It's the bubble wrath psyker

[calm shard]

you're a VoC veteran you aren't an individualist

but the way that you play for yourself benefits the team

[hollow ibex]

you can play selflessly, and have a build that maximizes your only potential

you doing well is good for your team

and vet gets a bunch of random team buffs anyway

[calm shard]

individual performance matters in this game

[hollow ibex]

so even a "selfish" build is good for the team usually

[calm shard]

if shit actually dies then there's less enemies that are harassing your teammates

[unreal nova]

Most arbies. XD They just nyoom off so much.

[calm shard]

you can be good team player just by having game sense

[hollow ibex]

this isn't a rumblergryn situation

[calm shard]

you cannot magically get damage into your "support" build just by being a good player

[void isle]

Rumblergryn is fun

[calm shard]

so you build for damage because you will need it, and can use that damage to support your teammates better

[hollow ibex]

it really brings out the worst in some people lol

[steep flower]

And onslaught provides more dmg by debuffing; for you & others so yeah; hit 2 birds with 1 sto… i mean rock

[tawdry osprey]

How good is born leader ? Does it work with shout ?

[steep flower]

Yes

[hollow ibex]

2 birds hit with 2-3 stones (talent points)...

[void isle]

I mostly use my rumbler for gunners and making close range space

[steep flower]

Rock barrage

[calm shard]

yes but also not with a dueling sword

[void isle]

A scatter rock would be fun

Ok so

[calm shard]

onslaught doesn't do anything for you that you can't already with a dueling sword equipped

[void isle]

What I'm hearing

[calm shard]

which is kinda the point of this whole argument to begin with

[void isle]

Is recon lasgun with power sword

[steep flower]

Ye that better be changed

[steep flower]

Nah

[hollow ibex]

everything is better with psword

[calm shard]

yeah

trying to use heavy sword with my helbore IV in havocs and it just doesn't compare

even when I literally don't need carapace damage

[steep flower]

Basically a good defensive chaf/armor clearing weapon so;
Dclaw sword
H sword
Shock maul
Shovel
Tac axe
Chainsword (unironically despite its condition; can make it work)

[void isle]

All the ones I don't have lol

[steep flower]

GO GET THEM!!!

[void isle]

The knife does pretty good for chaff, not so for armor

[steep flower]

The reason i did not mention a knife its because its not good in defence

Same for Psword

[void isle]

Fair

I am very good at dodging though

I can prob use it till I get one of the others

[calm shard]

yeah it only has the same broken ass dodge profile that the dueling sword does

[steep flower]

Its not that; its the CC with your moveset, your push att ect

[calm shard]

and of course dueling sword is infamous for its bad defence /s

that's why people literally cannot play the game without it and all

[narrow widget]

veteran all hit run

no balls

[void isle]

I just don't like a lot of the melees lol

[narrow widget]

🫡

[steep flower]

Its the mid horde clear with mid push att

[void isle]

I have never used an axe, will never

[steep flower]

Never say never

[void isle]

Unless we get a tech priest with a power axe

In which case it's axe time

[steep flower]

Cogaxe

[carmine zealot]

Wonder why there's no force axe.

Not elegant enough for the psyker?

[steep flower]

Cause space marines use it & we are convicts

[void isle]

Tbh I'm kinda disappointed by the chain axe

[compact oracle]

id pay so much for another 2 handed weapon in omnissian axe/2h power axe

[past stratus]

there will be power axes when we get Voltann, SURELY

[void isle]

It feels like it has no impact

[steep flower]

How so

[compact oracle]

its cleave isnt amazing but it does good damage

[steep flower]

Well… it does have some impact

[compact oracle]

also the push attack on the mark 12 or whatever it is is really nice and comes out fast

[carmine zealot]

Chainaxe is so ridiculously large.

[compact oracle]

i need an even larger chainaxe

[void isle]

It stopping when hitting things makes it feel kinda less impactful

It's mostly an animation thing

[steep flower]

Mk12 is oof; push att is a nice stab for single targets but thats about it

[compact oracle]

yeah thats fair

[compact oracle]

i dont like light attacks for single target and heavies for horde clear

also i enjoy thrust

[steep flower]

Ah fair

[void isle]

I just feel like it should crash through enemies a little harder animationwise

[compact oracle]

that said yeah im not gonna argue its amazing

[hollow ibex]

does it tho

[steep flower]

Push att & heavy spam the horde on mk4

[compact oracle]

yes

[void isle]

Using it feels like slap buzz buzz slap buzz buzz

[compact oracle]

problem is getting revved attacks off when more and more enemies spawn with increasing difficulty

[hollow ibex]

nah

it's worse than rashad and PS in nearly every situation

you can either have a decent axe

or a good chain weapon

that's the problem

[void isle]

I feel like they should change the chain weapons to work like the relic sword

[compact oracle]

worse than the best weapons is not as bad as you make it sound

[void isle]

Let the Rev run for a minutr

Then need to cool off

[compact oracle]

could use a buff still but its not nearly close to the worst

[hollow ibex]

if you have to go full botom right side to make the weapon work, at that point, you might as well bring an actually good melee weapon

the only place where i'd use chaxe rn is zealot

[proper delta]

killshot ready (2.5k kills with 10 stacks of marksmans) gotta be the dumbest penance i have ever attempted

[hollow ibex]

just not worth it anywhere else

[compact oracle]

oh well yeah

i dont use any of the chain weapons on anything but zealot

[hollow ibex]

...

[narrow widget]

good luck with the crab walking 🫡

[hollow ibex]

this is VET chat

[compact oracle]

piss

[void isle]

I like chainsword on vet

[compact oracle]

it was more unhinged than usual when i hopped in

[steep flower]

Tbh considering how those weapons work under pressure; i had thoughts sometime that ‘i wish i had a chainaxe it could be better in this situation’; no joke

[compact oracle]

alright, someone kill me for being a spy

[void isle]

It feels like such a cool wep

[red fox]

What am i doing wrong with Recon lasgun in auric

[hollow ibex]

papa, we all know you're a weirdo

[red fox]

that shit is awful

[carmine zealot]

At least the chain weapons incorporate some chainsaw action into their normal attack animations. The power weapons are inert slabs of metal most of the time.

[narrow widget]

bro it's goated in auric

[hollow ibex]

are you running dumdum infernus?

if not, run that

[narrow widget]

wait no I gotta get back to bolter agenda posting

run bolter instead

[red fox]

I am

but it 's so goddamn slow to kill

[steep flower]

Thats rashad & Psword tho i dont go right side at all fir chainaxe and its good

[red fox]

yea bolter is my main weapon

[hollow ibex]

rashad for sure, PS doesn't need anything

[red fox]

im so confused why is it so weak

[compact oracle]

which mark are you using

[hollow ibex]

idk post build and gun?

[red fox]

Vic

[red fox]

onslaught, shock troop, exec stance

[compact oracle]

no you have to keep saying chainaxe sucks so they buff it

[void isle]

I'm glad you're admitting to being wrong, proud of you

[red fox]

infenus, dum dum, unyelding and critchance

[steep flower]

If a weirdo can do it so can a normie (no i am not insulting btw pls be patient)

[elder vessel]

moar dmg

[void isle]

It's fine as a weapon I just hate the anims

[elder vessel]

I want the lights to one tap crushers

before the rev even starts

[steep flower]

Poorly optimised build?

[compact oracle]

i think if you have chainaxe you should just skip to the end screen when you start a mission

for balance with dueling sword

[red fox]

got one i should refer to?

[hollow ibex]

i don't think any normie would survive high havoc with chaxe lol

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3a17a9-c4c4-4f9b-855b-c37250ad14f2/basic-bitch-recon-las

this is the basic recon las build

[elder vessel]

they gotta rid of that cleave cap tho

on everything

just get rid of it already

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[red fox]

👀

is shocktrooper not required

[hollow ibex]

not if you have surv

[red fox]

or onslaught

[hollow ibex]

because realistically you should still be meleeing

[hollow ibex]

trap/meme

[steep flower]

You would be surprised + 5 min explanation helps greatly (seen with my own eyes)

[elder vessel]

Recon las mentioned im gonna start seething

[past stratus]

I don't want them to get rid of the cap if that means that the game philosophy will lean heavily on just spawning 5000 billion enemies

[void isle]

I've done bleee vet long enough, I crave endless light show vet

[steep flower]

Could be slightly better but its ok

[compact oracle]

but theyre doing that already and theres still a cleave cap

[void isle]

Can we all agree that the most important thing is the super impact mod

[compact oracle]

is that a mod to make enemies ragdoll harder

[void isle]

Yes

[compact oracle]

just like in good ol tf2

[void isle]

100x ragdolls

[tame lodge]

Yeah and enemies that dies to dots gets sent to the sky

[void isle]

They go flyyyying

I love it when a horde dies to dot and wind up all hanging from the ceiling by their necks with their heads stuck in it

[half glade]

Got this build from YT video and adapted to my taste. What do you think? Will it survive low-mid lv Havoc? Performance in Damnation is adequate so far
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f6bcaef-afb1-4468-a164-3477303e4804/mg-specialist-test-build-endgame

[past stratus]

longshot detected

[void isle]

I have never liked the autoguns personally

[half glade]

the main problem is anything with armor, have to switch to the shovel and "soften them up" with grenades

[compact oracle]

same

i must chase the oneshots

at all costs

[tame lodge]

Opening Salvo instead of Killzone

[past stratus]

I think every build "survives" the problem is that your team will probably not like you very much with that build

[void isle]

I do love the revolver

[tame lodge]

Yeah that build needs some tweaks

[half glade]

I'm simply unable to hit anything under pressure, if too much things are attacking me at the same time, my brain is toasted and at best I can just spray and pray more or less in their general direction

[tame lodge]

Other than that it's pretty aight

[half glade]

so any precise weapon isn't for me, as a main weapon

[past stratus]

passing on VoC just to make your autogun clink a little harder off of armor is not going to make you a lot of friends in Havoc I imagine

[compact oracle]

gotta learn to aim eventually

throw yourself right into the fires

[carmine zealot]

For all the talk of how Darktide has the best depiction of the boltgun, the humble stub gun is the most OP compared to the source material.

[void isle]

Vet tends to be a very headclick class, might wanna try flamethrower zealot perhaps

But practice makes perfect

[past stratus]

I see a lot of people have success with the Bistol in Havoc, doing the grenade thing. And as far as I know that build doesn't rely on headshots much

just poiting your gun in a general direction

[void isle]

I find bolt pistol and the non fanning revolver are very good for practice

Bolt pistol, knife, shredders

Yeah it's good

[hollow ibex]

prob because you need to 2-shot everything anyway

rip all bistol breakpoints in high havoc

[half glade]

I bring the extra ammo from aura and extra tougness drops from Target Down 🙂 So I expect it will sweeten the pill

[past stratus]

you need to kill things to get the extra toughness 😔

[void isle]

I think when it comes to higher level players if they see you with an autogun in high level play they assume inexperience

[sudden cedar]

What Autogun?

[void isle]

A full auto bolter sweep will do more for you than the autogun will

Braced

[ember nest]

I seen a decent amount of ppl using vig auto

[compact oracle]

also when did columnus get kil

[ember nest]

Occasionally infantry auto

[half glade]

From the talent description, the target just needs to die, it doesn't say I need to kill it myself?

[compact oracle]

i havent seen anyone use it in forever

[red fox]

still feels weak as heck compared to a bolter 💀 u

[ember nest]

Never braced auto anymore though :^/ which is kinda sad

[grand perch]

vigi can still do sick damage on vet but its outclassed by helbore now

[ember nest]

I suppose thats fine

I would prefer that "class specific" weapons do better on a class than the "everyone can use" options

[past stratus]

Does the Vigil have good ammo eco for Havoc?

[ember nest]

Nnnnnnnnnnnnno

Technically you can force it to work but

Its not anything like a hellbore even if its pretty strong and nuking faces

[sudden cedar]

@past stratus Yes it does.

[ember nest]

Does it?

[past stratus]

then it should be fine, no?

[sudden cedar]

Maybe.

[ember nest]

...

[sudden cedar]

Of course you can't just point and shoot like with a Plasma Gun.. 🙂

[void isle]

Yeah plasma may be a good choice

[faint beacon]

Kinda if you don’t mind shooting the same target 2-5 times

Helbore IV is a fire and forget

[sudden cedar]

Usage does require some amount of skill.

[void isle]

Think we'll ever get a plasma pistol?

[grand perch]

vigis ammo economy in havoc is pretty subpar imo

then again i basically only use las weapons in h40 so maybe im spoiled

[faint beacon]

It’s good enough to not be a detriment

[red fox]

recon las gun is asssssssssss

[faint beacon]

Goes from like positive to like neural to barely above average

[red fox]

the TTK on specials is so slow

[ember nest]

....like bombers and dogs and stuff? Huh?

U doin smth wrong

[red fox]

Gunners, ragers etc

[hollow ibex]

those are elites

[red fox]

sorry

[hollow ibex]

but even then shouldn't be particularly bad

[red fox]

elites

[hollow ibex]

aim for the head

[red fox]

compared to unloading a bolter

[past stratus]

doesn't the recon get pretty ok ammo eco with crit builds and shock trooper?

[half glade]

I'm just trying to get more diverse experience, instead of just using one build or class which works for me. So look for some builds for each class that work reliably for my case. For vet so far it has been the typical "middle guy" shout/force sword/bolter build, infiltrate commando build with infantry auto/knife - and this build above (needed some version of the "left guy" that works for me, one that actually uses range weapon most of the time)

[hollow ibex]

i mean bolter's bolter lol

very different gun

way worse uptime, horrible ergonomics

[ember nest]

The recon should be able to deal with ragers before the bolter has finished its fuckass animation for pulling it out

[red fox]

lmao not at all in my case

[ember nest]

Ur doing smth wrong

[carmine zealot]

Not sure why the bolter needs worse ergonomics than a plasma gun.

[void isle]

It really needs to be put on a sling

Melta when

[red fox]

I can't imagine what im doing wrong

[ember nest]

The plasma is more dangerous to use

The bolter is just straight up harder, its genuinely unweildly in the hands of a human

[red fox]

not having 100% headshot uptime?

[ember nest]

More or less idk

I can feasibly kill crushers w/ the right build for it even if its kinda subpar 4 that

[void isle]

Prob

[red fox]

like usually what ended up happening tthose two games is me unloading into a horde of ragesr where it feels like im tickling them and then they just get killed by someone else

[carmine zealot]

But the bolt pistol isn't?

[ember nest]

Correct

Thats part of the point of the boly pistol in general

And why you usually see humans using it and not a full sized bolter

[carmine zealot]

Arbites and Enforcers use bolters.

[void isle]

Yep

[ember nest]

You see full sized bolters on power armored individuals and in the hands of arbites-

Yes

[void isle]

And comissars

Kinda weird that the arbites can't use a laspistol

[carmine zealot]

And Guard veterans.

[ember nest]

Comissars are more likely to be using bolt pistols

[carmine zealot]

And hive gangers.

[ember nest]

They make a large point to explain how boltery tbe bolter is even in media

[void isle]

The bolteriest

[carmine zealot]

A bolter isn't more clunky than a plasma gun.

Unless the plasma gun is made of plastic.

[ember nest]

I would say it is

[calm shard]

I am passing on VoC to single handedly kill crusher packs and purple bulwarks in the middle of crowds

[ember nest]

Plasmas have other issues atop being clunky

[past stratus]

before darktide I had never seen a regular human using a plasma, but then again I'm not a 40k lore expert

or a tabletop player

[gilded wraith]

Would it be worthwhile trying to run a mk3 PS with sunder and a helbore with hotshot? Or would a mk6 still outperform it?

[calm shard]

I think the guardsmen in Dawn of War have plasma guns

[ember nest]

Youll see them in media but plasmas are very decently rare

[carmine zealot]

Imperial guard squads can have plasma gunners.

[ember nest]

I know I see voidesmen art with plasmas alot

[calm shard]

sergeants with plasma pistols too

[ember nest]

Personally I kinda wish it worked like the sm2 plasma

Heavy plasma my beloved

[carmine zealot]

Imperial guard command squad with 4 plasma guns . . .

[ember nest]

command squad

Yes

[past stratus]

weapon rarety is funky in 40k, there is so much gravity on the existence of Bolters and Plasma

but they put it in video games like cakes

[ember nest]

Because they're the cool stuff

[carmine zealot]

And one in every squad.

[atomic void]

casue trademark weapons

when i think of 40k weapons these two come to mind first

[ember nest]

One

[atomic void]

followed by chain and power weapons

[past stratus]

I can't complain, I love my Power Hammer on Zealot and I'm pretty sure those are supposed to be SM weapons

lmao

[atomic void]

peak weapon

[ember nest]

Power hammer can be found held by humans sometimes too but like

Its

Unwise

[carmine zealot]

It's a special weapon alongside flamers, meltaguns, and grenade launchers for guard.

[ember nest]

Meltas are about as rare

[carmine zealot]

A Marine squad also gets one.

[ember nest]

I think plasmas are still rarer

[ember nest]

This isn't helping u

[atomic void]

i mean its not like darktide doesnt have plathora of weapons that are literally no different than medieval weapons besides having funny sci fi tech to justify cutting through armor
knife, sabers, heavy swords ect ect

[carmine zealot]

I'm not sure you understand how weapon categories work in 40k...

[ember nest]

Do explain

[carmine zealot]

Plasma guns are special weapons. Bolters are basic weapons.

One is support, the other is an individual weapon.

[ember nest]

They are still rare

Which is what I said

(Plasma weapons)

[carmine zealot]

Would you consider an M249 rare simply because it is issued one or two per squad?

[ember nest]

.....lorewise they are literally stated to be pretty rare

[carmine zealot]

Lorewise a lot of things are "rare"

[atomic void]

lorewise everything not named lasgun is rare

[ember nest]

Essp in comparison to lasguns and even autogu s

[atomic void]

cause lorewise imperium has 1 trillion gorillion people

[ember nest]

Okay then what tf is your point

[carmine zealot]

The point is even ordinary squads can get their hands on one.

[ember nest]

They can be assigned one yes

Have you noticed the incredibly low frequency of plasma guns in the hands of moebians ingame or

[carmine zealot]

The plasma gun is not a bolter equivalent.

Or a lasgun equivalent.

[ember nest]

What are you

Even saying rn

[carmine zealot]

Of course there will be less of them.

I'm saying you don't understand weapon categories.

[warm idol]

they aren't exactly common lore wise but not as rare as some people might think

[ember nest]

What categories

[warm idol]

a lot of renowned regiments field them in pretty good numbers

[atomic void]

wait anyone here actually reads books or we all just talking out of our asses

[warm idol]

plus we are part of an inquistion warband

[carmine zealot]

A plasma gun is a squad support weapon.

[warm idol]

means getting access to stuff like that isn't exactly a high ask

[carmine zealot]

Like a SAW today.

[ember nest]

I do but haven't kept up w8th the 30k stuff like end and the death

[carmine zealot]

You're comparing it with a super assault rifle like a bolter.

[ember nest]

What are you

Talking about

I compared how hard it was to use

You are inventing a whole new thing to speak on

[carmine zealot]

Why should the individual weapon be clunkier than the SAW?

[ember nest]

What

[carmine zealot]

This is a human sized bolter, not an astartes one, having a slower equip time than a squad support weapon.

And the plasma gun model is bigger too.

[warm idol]

yeah people often forget that every protag in 40k games isn't factory worker 6245125325256

you kinda need to be a bit special to stand out

[ember nest]

Because the ginormous automatic rocket gun is hard to use

[warm idol]

and to justify doing certain things in game

[ember nest]

Plasmas are generally more dangerous to use

[atomic void]

its more like if you're not getting insta shredded you're inherently special

[carmine zealot]

That should be the recoil, rather than the bolter being heavier than the plasma gun.

[warm idol]

plus like I mentioned we are part of an inquisitorial warband

if anything getting access to plasma and bolters should be ezpz

[ember nest]

Whar

The rockets

Are

Heavy

[grand perch]

hadron when a random varlet gets hold of a sacred plasma gun
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1357390984467448038/1395755459717238855/e730e0c4c7ee4d3235c692abbbe2c1189f4a6a626468e4efcc1392439333b119_1.mp4?ex=687b9a11&is=687a4891&hm=8a1343d23dd4800785dd5ab7ad971e595ccb933be845b0930d6421b4a7194ef1&

[ember nest]

The gun, strong enough to fire the furst stage of the charge

Is heavy

[warm idol]

honestly i'm surprised we don't have a melta gun

[ember nest]

The mag is heavy

[carmine zealot]

And the plasma flasks are not?

[ember nest]

Bro they wont even give us a hotshot im malding

[ember nest]

Not comparatively no

[warm idol]

yeah I want that too

give me a hotshot/hellgun

[ember nest]

They're not very large

[carmine zealot]

What? Not sure where you get the idea that they aren't heavy.

[warm idol]

iirc in lore as long as you don't overcharge it you should be fine for the most part

but when it does need to cool down if you aren't in power armor

good luck lol

the plasma gun will survive tho and that's what really matters

[ember nest]

Yeah but the imperium (thankfully) is particular about the training for them

[carmine zealot]

Doesn't matter these days. An infantry plasma gun will kill you if it overheats. Even if you are wearing terminator armor.

[warm idol]

yeah even the imperium realises that you don't want some moron using something as volatile as plasma

I imagine guard plasma gunners are well trained but with a short life expectency

as they are also a high value target for any enemies that use strategy

[ember nest]

Very much so

[warm idol]

not gonna kill you but it will damage the armor and potentially the marine

[ember nest]

As dangerous as they can be to use, they are extremely dangerous to the enemy

[warm idol]

marines can survive a plasma gun overheating but they usually get a hell of an injury

[ember nest]

Most of this is mostly because they are less stable than, say, tau or votann versions

[warm idol]

plus I doubt a marine will overheat a plasma gun unless he has literally no other choice

[carmine zealot]

In earlier editions you could make an armor save to avoid taking damage. Nowadays you just die.

[warm idol]

that's tabletop

crunch and fluff

are two very different things

and pretty sure we are talking about fluff here, not crunch

[carmine zealot]

Fluff is retconned all the time.

[warm idol]

and crunch is constantly changing

your point?

some stuff does remain consistent

to an extent ofc

some writers go hog wild with well established stuff

we weren't talking about tt rules in the first place anyway

[empty surge]

Wah

[warm idol]

tbh the vet player character isn't some random schmuck

you are a veteran of the guard

means you have plenty of experience and training

probably including training in plasma weapons

[sudden cedar]

Exspecially if you are a Cadian.

[ember nest]

Ideally the level system is meant to reflect what you are trusted with

Or

Well

The trust level

Lol

We are effectively inquisitorial strike teams

[carmine zealot]

Why not?

[ember nest]

Just, we have lasted long enough to be officially considered such and allowed to use their resources

[warm idol]

because it's not relevant to a discussion about lore?

[carmine zealot]

Why not?

[ember nest]

Im considering this a bonafide dopp moment

[carmine zealot]

What is the lore based on

[warm idol]

because how stuff functions in lore as opposed to wargame with that follows certain lore are very different things?

[carmine zealot]

That's entirely your problem.

[warm idol]

it's based on the 40k universe, which is a tabletop game but the lore is meant to expand on the universe

[ember nest]

Correct. I do have a problem. You.

[sudden cedar]

[warm idol]

kek

[carmine zealot]

Good to know.

[ember nest]

Every amount of pushback someone gives gets twisted into an annoyingly predictable counterargument that tries to force the convo to follow whatever rules you have made in the moment

(At least in the past like 45 minutes)

This is all I know of you at this moment.

[sudden cedar]

🍿

[ember nest]

This might not always be how you discuss things but this is how the convo has gone.

[carmine zealot]

You mean the rules don't reflect the lore? Or that the lore has expanded past the rules?

[warm idol]

is this bait

[faint beacon]

Admittedly the lore of this game is also unusual but seeing one of the big writers is helping with it technically whatever happens is more shit tacked onto the lore

We’re incredibly expendable

Just we have use cause well who the hell else is gonna clean Atoma up

[ember nest]

Yeah

We aint no shock troopers thats for sure

[carmine zealot]

I'm just wondering why the TT rules don't have bearing on how the lore goes.

[fervent mesa]

do we make good use of the heavy blade?

[faint beacon]

Added the fact apparently trying to get to Atoma via the Warp is incredibly dangerous atm

Hence no reinforcements and why the 53rd showed up so late

[warm idol]

it sucks vs carapace but it's good for everything else

great horde lawnmower

[ember nest]

Forces of nurgle attempting to isolate the planet I would think

[warm idol]

if you wanna use it pair with something like a bolter to deal with carapace

[fervent mesa]

im used to non carapace lawnmower i might just bring in plasma gun

[ember nest]

Gale was it you who I was talking to about how rediculous this situation would be from the perspective of like

Wolfer

[faint beacon]

I don’t think so but I still think it’s hilarious that

Wolfer, the Head Traitor

Is just tweaking out seeing 4 idiots mop up over 2k of his soldiers in under an hour

[ember nest]

Like if wolfer suddenly got insight into "the whole situation"

• the morningstar basically is an inquisitor who is holding his own family hostage

• the elite forces they send are a bunch of ex inmates and now also the local arbites

• most of the forces have been kidnapped or coerced into servitude

• they just have a dude capable of rewriting their psyche (I assume sefoni is there)

• their astropath is a sentient spying device

• one of their commanders got kidnapped from the first war of armageddon

And tzeentch somehow, as far as he can tell, isn't involved

Despite this exact kind of adversity being the type of thorn in the side that he would set up in nurgle's plans

[fervent mesa]

so uh

what's the best way to build around heavy blade im getting mixed results

[faint beacon]

Tzeentch will always fuck with Nurgle

[fervent mesa]

some do brutal momentum some do thrust

atleast headtaker is consistent but nothing else

[faint beacon]

That’s just the great game in motion right there

Hence I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s influences here and there solely to mess with Nurgle seeing the two gods absolutely hate each other

[carmine zealot]

There's got to be at least PDF or something on Atoma. Otherwise it was only the 21st that just happened to be there when the uprising started and the 6th turned out to be traitor?

[faint beacon]

They turned traitor

That’s the Scab Stalkers

The shoddy looking armored ones

[carmine zealot]

Oh okay.

[ember nest]

Remember that in the current situation Rannick didn't even confirm a cult until we had done a few strike missions

[faint beacon]

21st happened to be there for supplies

Next thing they know

They’re the frontline on Atoma

[hollow ibex]

Thrust is never the answer here

Just heavy spam

[narrow widget]

help me freak post in vet chat
and bolter agenda post

[faint beacon]

Sitting here wondering how he’s just casually ignoring the blatant hints to a cult forming

Tbf I think that’s a drawback rannick has

He’s too tunnel visioned and doesn’t realize there could be more

[ember nest]

I think it's a bit more than that

[empty surge]

I woke up 14 minutes ago😭

[ember nest]

he knows they are traitors

[narrow widget]

the goon is forever

[ember nest]

he doesn't know why they are traitors in lore at first

but that eventually shows it's face

[narrow widget]

#rannickdidnothingwrong

[ember nest]

I think his main issue is when it comes to zola's advice but like
that's also zola's fault

[carmine zealot]

I get the feeling that the Imperial Guard force organization could use a retcon. Regiments and companies worked fine in 2nd edition with its small scale combat. But now we have regiments with 50,000 men and they're still too small for a hive world with ten of billions of inhabitants.

[ember nest]

it's kind of hard to go off of what someone says when they lie to you multiple times and disobey orders

[faint beacon]

He’s pretty competent for an interrogator

He just has a flaw and plus he’s basically being Grendyl without the full training

[ember nest]

regimental numbers fluctuate very wildly depending on the regiment itself

[faint beacon]

So he’s doing a good job so far

[faint beacon]

Reminder that not all of Atoma is lost

[sudden cedar]

It depends on what training Rannick had before.

[faint beacon]

Only small sections

[ember nest]

it's basically 1 hive city, and then like half of a hive city

[sudden cedar]

An Interrogator can be an Inquisitor in everything but the name, so that does not mean Rannick does not have full training.

[carmine zealot]

That's why i'm wondering if it's only us and the two regiments (and the local arbites). Who's keeping the peace in the rest of the hive?

[ember nest]

the moebians have like

4 worlds? 3 worlds?

[sudden cedar]

Given that he was trusted with the business on Atoma, i'd say he is more than competent and trained to do this.

[ember nest]

they've still got other planets aside from atoma itself, and each of those have multiple hive cities

its just Atoma prime is the central world

[faint beacon]

Well admittedly if one becomes a Plague Garden that’s a huge fucking issue for the entire system

[ember nest]

there's a lot going on

this chaos incurssion is happening during/because of the fringe wars to begin with

like, there is fighting relatively 'nearby' in the moebian domain that we haven't even touched on yet

while we are part of atoma's frontline, we aren't on "the" darktide frontline

I do wonder what they can do with that though because the "darktide" itself is not any singular threat, it's like a bunch all at once

[narrow widget]

hes getting insulted from all sides 💔 💔

[carmine zealot]

He can handle it.

[faint beacon]

Admittedly I can’t blame them for getting worried the Marshal showed up

[sudden cedar]

The Inquisition isn't exactly liked by many.

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/gulp-cat-gif-27257259

[carmine zealot]

When does that happen in the story?

[sudden cedar]

Like, now.

[faint beacon]

Very recently technically

[carmine zealot]

I made the mistake of playing battle for tertium on the Arbites, so nothing made sense.

[faint beacon]

The war isn’t being solved quickly and the Tithe hasn’t been payed thus in violation of the Lex Imperialis

Arbitrators are now here

They do not care if you have a war going on

You violate the Tithe you violate the Lex

[carmine zealot]

So is this before the battle of tertium storyline or after?

[ember nest]

they are basically like "What the fuck is going on" and are now diving headfirst into this situation

[carmine zealot]

Because Dukane and the 53rd are also not referenced in the storyline mode.

[faint beacon]

Battle for Tertium is actually starting to really kick off now

Basically the 53rd showed up

[carmine zealot]

I mean the 17 linked missions thing that new players go through.

[faint beacon]

And now the Marshal and the Arbitrators are here

[ember nest]

dukane got here after the fighting started properly

we also got hold of moebian steel afterwards iirc

[narrow widget]

dukane is everything wrong with atoma prime

[carmine zealot]

So have we ||killed the twins yet||?

[ember nest]

wym

[narrow widget]

I hate dukane

[ember nest]

one is dead

the other is rinda

[narrow widget]

we stan rannick

[carmine zealot]

Dukane is from Branx right?

[narrow widget]

idfk

[ember nest]

I don't dislike dukane at all

[faint beacon]

Rinda is being clearly coaxed more into the Cult also

[narrow widget]

sibling bond blah blah blah

[ember nest]

she's not a particularly pushy comissar...or, she's not as pushy as she could be. weather that's over the situation with the inquisition who knows

[ember nest]

the 6 billion mile away plot twist that is that being about wolfer and zola

[faint beacon]

Dukane is decently light for a Commissar

Better than getting shot on the spot

[ember nest]

also she gives us sick drip

[narrow widget]

fail a havoc mission and your character gets deleted

[carmine zealot]

Dukane is one of Abnett's Colonel-Commissars IIRC.

An actual commander.

[ember nest]

do you guys think havocs will get abandoned by players like weaves were

[narrow widget]

once there's a chaos wastes mode that's where 99% of people are gonna concentrate

[carmine zealot]

She doesn't even blam you if you fail her rolling steel mission.

[ember nest]

I hope that's the nox zone

god I hope it is

[sudden cedar]

Why would she. You'd be dead anyway.

[ember nest]

or even just the other hive city

[carmine zealot]

Point

[faint beacon]

Look I’ve been doing non stop 40s whilst under 40 clearance

So I’m actively deranking and ranking

[ember nest]

she's a good one imo

[faint beacon]

She literally says “Be thankful I don’t have you shot” for being demoted

Lmao

Been hard stuck at like 33-38 cause

Purple + Red

It’s a bitch of a combo

[ember nest]

I need a static to get a 40 done

I've been pubbing it I hate it

[sudden cedar]

Her removing you from active service wouldn't sit well with Rannick.

[ember nest]

hit clearance 32 but am currently at like...2 something

24? 26?

[steep flower]

Need help?

[sudden cedar]

Purple Red sounds amazing.

[narrow widget]

purple rain

[carmine zealot]

What is the state of inqusitorial authority these days? Can Grendyl BLAM her for being annoying?

[sudden cedar]

He absolutely could.

[ember nest]

I mean sure but grendyl is not in

a position

[faint beacon]

Been playing with Ainz so I mean I appreciate the offer, also I’m at work for 7 hours

[ember nest]

to do that, so to speak, right now

[faint beacon]

I am currently at 37

ALSO

[sudden cedar]

The consequences would be not ideal however.

Dukane only gets away with her demeanor because Rannick is in no position to refuse.

[faint beacon]

Helbore IV + Kraks truly opened my eyes on “Yeah no vet is insane on havoc”

[sudden cedar]

The moment that changes, Dukane will have a problem.

[ember nest]

tbf dukane isn't particularly rude as far as her kind go

[grand perch]

why kraks?

[ember nest]

the build you shared?

I should give it a run

[steep flower]

Wait till you see what i do to bosses as vet

[quiet valley]

What why Kraks with MkIV?

[grand perch]

i find her insufferable

[ember nest]

you'll find most comissars insufferable

[faint beacon]

I see purple crusher

It goes bye bye

[carmine zealot]

I ask because at least one Inquisitor Lord has been decapitated trying to BLAM people.

[faint beacon]

It’s the anti purple build up

[ember nest]

comissars are basically purpose "built" through training to be that way

[sudden cedar]

The Inquisition is above all. Almost all.

[ember nest]

they cannot afford to not be that way

[faint beacon]

Ainz in passing wondered how a grenadier build would work with Kraks

I said fuck it why not

[steep flower]

Don’t you have Mk IV helbore for that?

[faint beacon]

Next thing I know I’m clearing purples

[carmine zealot]

So it's still the old standard? They can BLAM everyone?

[ember nest]

I need to see this gale

[quiet valley]

What just throw shredders and shoot purples with MkIV while they are on the ground

[faint beacon]

Yes however large groups of them

I’m not changing my mind on this

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f651e11-6cba-46c4-acb5-2fce3dfdd310/h40-shoutbore

Just use that

[ember nest]

inquisitorial authority tends to extend mostly into common sense

[sudden cedar]

@carmine zealot Of course they can. Doing it in any situation however depends on what the consequences would be.

[ember nest]

if it's openly dumb for the inquisitor to do it and they do it anyways, they're probably a dogshit inquisitor, and there will probably be reprecusions in the future

[carmine zealot]

Ah okay so discretion is the order of the day.

[sudden cedar]

And a "public" visible execution of a Commissar would lead to conflicts with the Officio Prefectus.

[ember nest]

there are very few examples in which an inquisitor does something openly insane and it is then debated on in purpose

like what whats his name did against the tyranids

how the fuck did I forget his name

[sudden cedar]

Fidus Kryptman

[ember nest]

him yeah

[carmine zealot]

Was a little miffed about the whole Months of Shame affair being added.

[ember nest]

exterminatuses are last resort buttons

and he did it multiple times, without warning, to multiple worlds

[carmine zealot]

Wondered if the Inquisition was losing its touch.

[sudden cedar]

They aren't.

They already have.

What is important to understand is that there is no "the Inquisition" as in one Organization.

[ember nest]

guiliman has kind of, as of current lore, usurped them as the "second to the emperor" authority and lion has further cemented this

[sudden cedar]

It is a collection of different ideologies and approaches based on the different Inquisitors

[carmine zealot]

Yes, the Inquistion is now a mass of competing factions.

[sudden cedar]

They together represent the Inquisition.

[ember nest]

they always were

[sudden cedar]

But there is no single person who controls the Inquisition.

Malcador could have done so, but.. he's.. unavailable.

[ember nest]

there is the "inquisition" as in the collective presence of all of the inquisitors

and then there are "inquisitors" themselves, who each deal with situations about as varied as a rogue trader might

with inquisitors very specifically focusing on...being inquisitors, instead of exploring

they do what they think they should be doing, and answer to very few people while doing it, but the only real rulebook they play by is "what keeps them from getting killed" generally while acting in service of the imperium

you'll have some who employ xenos aide (grendyl apparently has had the aeldari help him)

and you'll have some who would kill you and all your family for trading with them last year

[sudden cedar]

Grendyl and the Aeldari working together is not confirmed.

[carmine zealot]

Shuriken catapult confirmed?

[ember nest]

apparently the presence of them has helped his cause

[sudden cedar]

They may have had contact but i don't think, based on what is heard in Brahms memories is enough to warrant saying "they work together"

[ember nest]

there's a line about "no eldar swoop ships to save you this time" or something

I'd have to find which one

[sudden cedar]

I don't think there is.

[carmine zealot]

Still remember that old battle report where a squad of Dire Avengers had almost all their catapults jam.

[grand perch]

putting them in a dire situation

[carmine zealot]

But the catapults were quite a bit more potent then than now.

Basically storm bolters with better armor penetration.

[faint beacon]

There is

It’s in the Brahms memories

[sudden cedar]

Of course it is there, i've listened to them.

But there was no mention of that.

Yes, Aeldari got mentioned, but not in the way that was claimed.

[carmine zealot]

Maybe a small exchange of information?

A quick deal?

[ember nest]

I very specifically mention the "eldar swoop ships to save you" line but I'd have to look into that again
the only other real line is about them shadowing the morningstar currently

[faint beacon]

Pretty much, but it does hint at them working with some of them

Doesn’t specify which one

[sudden cedar]

Aeldari doing something that helps the Imperials is not equal to "working together"

[carmine zealot]

There's supposed to be a cloaked Eldar ship shadowing the Mourningstar?

[sudden cedar]

No.

There have been Aeldari ships doing that. At some point.

No mention of that happening now.

It might. But that is just you saying it.

[carmine zealot]

Asking.

[sudden cedar]

And also no mention of cloaked ships too.

[carmine zealot]

Thought I read that somewhere.

[sudden cedar]

Same with the Baneblade Scout Tank.

[carmine zealot]

No that's the disappearing Baneblades.

[sudden cedar]

Or, until recently, the Saturnine Terminator Armour.

[carmine zealot]

Okay that one escapes me.

Is it the one with the overhead heavy weapon mount?

[sudden cedar]

Simply put, there was a very old model of a Terminator that looked similar to what we have now.

[carmine zealot]

The very round one?

[sudden cedar]

The one with the massive shoulder pads

[carmine zealot]

They brought it back?

[sudden cedar]

Someone looked at it, assumed something without fact checking, spread it around and it stuck. Without ever being official.

I wouldn't say that.

[carmine zealot]

Oh it wasn't official?

[sudden cedar]

It was a singular model in a very early edition. Maybe it wasn't even an edition at the time but before that.

[carmine zealot]

Before my time.

[sudden cedar]

The model itself was made yes.

But it was never called anything by GW.

It seems they now recycled that model into something official and gave it the name that was given to them by the community.

[carmine zealot]

Icic.

So it never actually existed beyond some random model.

[sudden cedar]

Yes. It was a model that got created, probably because they just threw something together, iterated in the process of what the first Terminator Model would turn into.

[carmine zealot]

At least it had a heavy weapon as standard. Meanwhile regular termies get a piddly storm bolter...

[sudden cedar]

This was simply Terminator Armour in early design.

1988 according to the Lexicanum used Source.

Looks familiar, doesn't it?

[carmine zealot]

Has to have been even older, because I was using Indomitus-type models in 1993.

[sudden cedar]

Typo.

1988

Corrected it already.

[carmine zealot]

KK

[sudden cedar]

First Edition Terminators would look like this.

[carmine zealot]

Second edition for me.

First metal, but the plastics came out with 2nd ed space hulk.

They haven't changed much from first ed.

[sudden cedar]

Funnily enough, a Terminator with the same massive shoulderpads similar to the Early Design 1 showed up 2015 in Gav Thorpe's Short Story "Deeds Endure"

[gilded wraith]

Quick PS Mk6 question, is the weapon special action (energize) that looks like a block, an actual block?

[carmine zealot]

Yes, that's the one with the heavy weapon.

[sudden cedar]

Quite the similarities to both the old version and the new one.

[hollow ibex]

no, you have to manually block cancel.

only relic blade gets block on charge