veteran-class

[unreal nova]

The only time it won't work is if you just died and are in the... Waiting to be rescued :XX time.

[mortal aspen]

Demolition Stockpile might not be as needed when there are so many elites in Havoc for Demolition Team procs

[unreal nova]

But if you have spawned in and is at the rescue totem, they can drop and get the benefits if need be.

Also, this is why you take Field Improv when asking ppl to solo carry you.

You are going to be in rescue the entire time anyway.

XD

For on overwatch anyway.

[steep flower]

I use accatran aka fire shotty despite many ppl stating its the worst

[olive halo]

That's the worst??

I took that one bcz it's damage was listed as higher than the other two lol

Speaking of which, what blessings work with it? Flechette and scattershot?

[steep flower]

The only time field improv does not work is when vet is physically out of the game and that is when he dies and is on a timer before he spawns in a rescue spot, tied up (even in that state field improv will work cause technically vet is in the game)

[mortal aspen]

those numbers might as well mean fuckall

never look at them

[olive halo]

I thought it made sense lol

More damage in less shots meant less reloading

[steep flower]

Allegedly cause ‘ugh worst pellet spread, worst dmg, worst number on xyz’ type shit used it before buffs and yet i performed very well; i dunno man - must be a magic man cause according to stats its not good

[olive halo]

^ ogryn coded thought process

[olive halo]

Isn't it's pellet spread better than the other two? Their spread is tighter

[steep flower]

Nah; full bore & no respite; scattershot & flechette is for zarona but that build is niche

[olive halo]

With a wider spread you can hit more things

Ah I see

Gotcha

[steep flower]

Its the worst… allegedly

[olive halo]

Wait doesn't full bore only count if all the pellets hit the same enemy?

[steep flower]

Yes; just ADS its not hard to hit full body with it, even at medium distance; test it

[unreal nova]

Papa, I just stated that.

[ionic trail]

Does lethal proximity on the Bolt Pistol affect grenade AoE even when the pistol isn't equipped?

I've seen conflicting sources 🤔

[steep flower]

Yes yes My lil crat; have some cheese 🧀

[ionic trail]

like grenade builds that try to focus around having the pistol with LP but using the melee instead so IT'S perks affect the frag???

[olive halo]

Aight, I was just spamming hip fire into hordes

[steep flower]

Yes, any explosion really

[steep flower]

Never do that

[unreal nova]

I AM A CAT, NOT A RAT.

[steep flower]

Both actually cat + rat = crat

[ionic trail]

cat skaven...

[steep flower]

That needs to be drawn

[olive halo]

Some things are best left unexplored

[unreal nova]

NU, AM CATGIRL. WDYM?

[unreal nova]

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

[ionic trail]

wait comrade no

did you really just open yourself up to

Skaven Catgirl??

[unreal nova]

THAT THOUGHT NEEDS TO BE BURNT IN WARPFIRE.

[steep flower]

I need this

[unreal nova]

You are getting 8 bolts to the skull and lower regions. 4 each.

[ionic trail]

do i at least get to pick the exact locations for a festive environment?

[unreal nova]

You too.

[unreal nova]

Maybe 15 kraks will do it better.

[crimson wyvern]

new auric/maelstroms continue to be havoc level insane

[ionic trail]

i was wondering if that was the case...

and then there's auric mortis

my friends and I were playing our first round of it earlier

the director decided "no actually fuck you. out of my sight"

[sonic wedge]

sefoni really be giving you a warm up

[ionic trail]

really tho

[sonic wedge]

Two of each monstrosity

Sefoni forgot two daemonhost

[vague wigeon]

Default auric mortis experience

When i have tried new difficulty for the first time - me and my team have killed over 15 plague ogryns on the wave 3

[tame lodge]

Self reminder to get the more health bars mod

[mortal aspen]

I think it's not the director, it always spawns 6 bosses now

[heavy rover]

Who needs more health bars when all you need is more dakka

[unreal nova]

Naw, Auric final wave is 8 bosses from memory. And they all spawn very quickly if you fail to kill fast enough.

Or 2 DH.

[tame lodge]

2 dh is funny

[mortal aspen]

the last mortis I played on auric was 6 or more bosses on wave 9(?) and 1 daemonhost on the last wave

[tame lodge]

They targeted the Arbitrator

And he held his shield up on a corner

And I think I was the only one aware of that

So I Gunlugger that 1 DH to death

Then went to help the others

After a minute I went to check why the Arbites was still on that corner

[mortal aspen]

Mortis Havoc when

actual 500 bulwarks wave

💀

[tame lodge]

Turns out I didn't see the second dh on the Arbites

[unreal nova]

XD

Good thing an Arby can just lul at them.

[safe kestrel]

Nah this is manageable. It’s when the daemonhost is included is the tour de force

https://tenor.com/view/chuckle-chris-kraft-the-right-stuff-smile-sips-coffee-gif-18916129

Notice the multi daemonhost already mentioned

[tame lodge]

Tbf

Mortis DH is the least threatening version of dh

"Nurgle wants your soul"

Oh yeah? Here's fifteen thousand rounds

[mortal aspen]

lost a maelstrom because a vet thought attacking the captain is lame and he should just shoot recon at groaners instead

throwing nades, resurrecting is also lame

also side note, knife sucks vs shields doesn't it?

[unreal nova]

Is one of those spam lights to heck.

[covert dagger]

Wait. You’re griping that someone rezzed a teammate?

Or am I misunderstanding this?

[unreal nova]

I think that vet did none of those.

Just shot hordes.

[covert dagger]

Ah.

Maybe they thought keeping the horses off the rest of the team might be a good idea? I like being uninterrupted when I chainsaw bosses.

Hordes*

[normal bay]

I swear somethings happened with muties. Headshots used to be way easier with melee

Muh heavy sword

[unreal nova]

Just throw 2 frags.

[covert dagger]

o7

[mortal aspen]

the assassination is usually over in 5 seconds if the team actually attacks the captain

but shooting groaners is more fun

[unreal nova]

I understand taking the time to drop 'nades, but nope.

[mortal aspen]

idk what is happening but auric mael has been near unplayable for me for the past few days

ogryns not doing objectives, 3 wound players, people sitting near elevators farming groaners

i'm going insane

[unreal nova]

New players, bad players.

[past stratus]

sometimes if I have a Zealot or an Oggy bullying the bosss I will just turn around and deal with the hordes for a bit

FOTR Zealot really doesn't need the rest of the team to mow down a Captain

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/honse-away-go-gif-21374022

[red fox]

accursed bolter ADS bug

pls

[shrewd flax]

is it possible to compete with other classes damage wise as a vet ?

[queen sky]

yes

[tame lodge]

Believe me

Everything comes down to skill

You can out damage everything with the worst build possible as long as you have the skills

That being said

Throw a lot of grenades

[shrewd flax]

lol ok, grenades

so it becomes a grenadier

[analog mural]

Shredder frags+lethal prox bistol goes hard

[shrewd flax]

i am trying to make it work with autogun but it's not good enough imo

[red fox]

Sometimes you watch o ther playres, and you realise how hard they're being carried by VOC

[shrewd flax]

yes it's one of the rare good thing about vet

[red fox]

This guy is playing horrendously, but just keeps popping VOC

[shrewd flax]

also I have a tendecny to target elite and specialists so it's not showing a lot of damage

compared to someone who targets everything and dishes out damage continuously

when I play arbite I am often first or second in terms of damage

but vet it's really hard

[tame lodge]

Just get Optimized Cooling Blaze Away plasma

Spam at general direction

Entitle yourself to every ammo tin and stash

[steep flower]

Ofc; even surpassing them

[steep flower]

As every good vet should

[tame lodge]

@tall torrent is there an alternative for more shots?
11 shots is not enough for me

[trim badger]

Yes and in fact with the the correct build you can match Ogryns and almost Arbites in Havoc 40

The only sad part is that it's a melee build

But the good part is that vet has like 3 combat modifier nodes that just give him massive damage buffs

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f58a4ba-9a0c-4cec-8d03-9f4535122a62/dream-vet-havoc-40?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Try this shit and I swear you'll end up top 1 dmg most of the times if you can hit headshots nonstop

[faint beacon]

"Man im doing terrible damage wise in H40 but I don't want to use Plasma, Veteran is a weak class..."

The Humble Damage Generator:

[balmy flume]

Don’t forget Bolt weapons

[faint beacon]

Hel MkIV has the added benefit of never running out of ammo

[tame lodge]

Casual Helbore W

As always

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-jessie-gif-10358434

Helbore when it comes to taking dubs

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-dunk-lebron-james-levronjame-gif-1038771198631298897

[unreal bone]

Hey does Mortis trials give any good ordo dockets?

I need money and I wanna play mortis

[midnight totem]

Its decent

[trim badger]

As long as shocktrooper + surgical*

[normal bay]

I think I've only picked up ammo for my helbore IV on instinct. Not because I needed it

[unreal bone]

How decent compared to auric maelstrom

[tame lodge]

Without shock trooper it just goes ammo neutral instead of positive

https://tenor.com/view/desiler-giga-chad-gif-9574825124538696572

[heavy rover]

Yes. I've matched ogryn damage on havoc. Here's my build in case you're curious. There's a lot of flexibility to tune it to suit your liking https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-grenadier-havoc

[midnight totem]

I think the dockets are just as good. Less diamantine and plaster though

[ember nest]

I do w/ grenades

[ember nest]

why unarmored? does it change a breakpoint on gunners?

[heavy rover]

Yeah

[tame lodge]

Is it the 3a?

[faint beacon]

I was about to judge you hardcore

[tame lodge]

So yeah

[faint beacon]

till I read 3A

[heavy rover]

Yep, 3a

I mean I wrote on the build notes that the helbore of choice is flexible

I just prefer stacking armourbane

[faint beacon]

if you do 4, you find Carapace and Unyielding to be the combo to run seeing it hits all the BPs easier

cause it hits

really fucking hard

and it will dumpster Bulwarks/Reapers/Bosses

[heavy rover]

Yeah, I've got another variant of this build that runs that exactly on mk iv

[faint beacon]

I've tried Armorbane it has use in H40 but I see myself using WOF more over it

QOL to be able to half charge nearly instantly to drop gunner packs

IIIa or V its not going to use WOF

4? WOF

[heavy rover]

Yeah exactly. If I'm running mk iv it's WOF

[faint beacon]

I'll admit

[heavy rover]

If it's mk IIIa I run armourbane because I find the fire rate fast enough

[faint beacon]

Armorbane MKIV is hilarious against Bosses

[heavy rover]

Indeed it is

[faint beacon]

The BON having 1/6th of its HP deleted by one shot cause I decided to charge it and mark it with FT

[ember nest]

brittleness my beloved

[heavy rover]

I know it's not ideal but WOF on mk V is silly fun

Literally shoot faster than infantry las

[faint beacon]

Okay hot take

MKV feels actually fun with Sustained Assault?

is that the 2-3-4th shot being buffed to deal 20% Damage

Sustained Fire

[quiet valley]

Grenade Tinkerer on Shredders is pretty bad for 2 point investment, you could get Killzone/Opening Salvo/Marksman

Most of your shredder dmg is bleed anyway

Which isn’t scaled by grenade tinkerer

[heavy rover]

I was thinking in terms of the radius rather than the damage

[remote sonnet]

You don't take tinkerer for damage, but for radius.

[quiet valley]

It’s really not that much radius, definitely not worth 2 point investment imo

[unreal bone]

First time doing mortis trials damn

This shit way more fun than havoc

[steep flower]

Finally someone says this; the argument is this tho - if you learn to funnel enemies together into 1 area you don’t need ANY blast radius for shredders, not even bruh pistol

[tame lodge]

Nice argument
Now check this 15 meters out

[quiet valley]

I mean it’s nice but it’s not worth 2 talents, you could be getting 15% ranged dmg or 20% power on Weakspot hits

There’s so many other better options

[steep flower]

I had barely any situations where i was thinking ‘damn i wish i could take tinkerer/lethal prox’

[quiet valley]

Even on full nade build I don’t take tinkerer tbh

[steep flower]

Marksman making certain builds possible is enough to take it

[hearty panther]

Let's assume a perfect sphere of heresy

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-sphere-gif-18953265

[steep flower]

Nor lethal prox; all my builds are basically grenadier vets

All you need is demo stock & team

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f4426c1-00e2-41a0-b5ca-c51156ff0f8f/skirmisher-grenadier

[quiet valley]

This is the strongest grenadier build numerically.

[steep flower]

Nothing on left bottom side is diabolical

[quiet valley]

Skirmisher covers that

[tame lodge]

Skirmisher propaganda 🗣️

[steep flower]

Is base dmg better than multiplicative one? I don’t think so… especially for weakspots

[tame lodge]

But no precision?!??

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-boom-knuckles-i-dont-know-idk-shrug-gif-471547068753346777

[quiet valley]

Base dmg scaling for bleed and explosions

[steep flower]

Ikr? Mah boi loses soo much dmg

[steep flower]

Grenades are limited; weakspots are limited too… but endless till enemy dies

[quiet valley]

Demo team goes brr

Skirmisher stacks also let your Melee do ridiculous dmg to bosses

[tame lodge]

Vet got the zoomies to stack Skirmisher

[distant phoenix]

I only take it for smokes bc it makes them last twice as long

[quiet valley]

You just need to adapt to a different playstyle, you can stack Skirmisher while charging DS heavy attacks

Become a missile

[tame lodge]

🏃‍♂️‍➡️

[steep flower]

Thats like in every vet build tho; i personally like skirmisher but not taking precision strikes is big oof

[faint beacon]

if vets stam issues weren't abysmal dogshit

I'd use Skirmisher a shit ton more

[quiet valley]

Target Down

[faint beacon]

you can only target down so much

[steep flower]

I mean it still procs even at 0 stamina

[quiet valley]

It’s pretty much infinite, you always have 1 stack

[heavy rover]

Use deadshot and skirmisher together

[steep flower]

I would say it is not needed if it is taken to sorely restore stamina for sprinting… but then why cause its procking even at 0

[steep flower]

For deadshot ye that is good but skirmisher does not need it

[quiet valley]

It’s comfy for stam eco and I’ll take as much toughness regen that I can get because of Vet’s current state

[steep flower]

Get OfB too; i dont take target down despite being great and have no problems with toughness regain

[past stratus]

wouldn't WS with the stamina node and the toughness node be better for it? It procs on grenades too, right?

[quiet valley]

The idea of the build is to use generic dmg scaling to boost grenade and bleed dmg

And that lets it shit out a lot of AOE infinite cleave dmg

[quiet valley]

Redirect fire scales bleed/explosions

[quiet valley]

I have ofb

[steep flower]

Oh mb; take COD & CK too

You will have actual tdr with another reliable toughness regain

[quiet valley]

Toughness is fine between ofb and target down for this build

[steep flower]

If it is for ya then yeah; still i would take the two mentioned above; after all you have precision weapons and you most likely will use grenades on elite/mixed hordes

Also tdr on COD

[quiet valley]

I think it’s overkill, but both ways would work

[mystic hull]

is rending strikes good to take if using plasma gun? I see a lot of plasma gun builds dont take it

[quiet valley]

Doesn’t need rending

[steep flower]

Oh together it is overkill yeah replacing it is an option (atleast take COD so you won’t die as much ;p)

[proper delta]

getting rezzed into fire and immediately dying >>>

[plain osprey]

Brievly looked
Didnt find anything

I used it instead on my vet. Agrippina IA feels weird. Aiming felt easier yet more difficult and it seemed like i didnt kill anything

I dunno how to describe it. Maybe i am too used to the mk v

[normal bay]

It has less recoil iirc

Could be what your feeling

[hollow ibex]

i think colum's prob the easiest to control

but none of them are that bad

[scenic lodge]

[plain osprey]

Thx

[proper delta]

i dont even have 500 lifetime crusher kills and this penance wants me to pop 500 of them with kraks

this is gonna take for fucking ever

[strange crow]

Any flak or carapace armored enemies work

Bruisers and moebian 21st count

[proper delta]

the regular shooter guys?

thank god

[ember nest]

that's a LOT of stamina

[unreal bone]

God I fucking hate Heinous Rituals

these havoc randos can't fathom a daemonhost that you have to stop

Back down to havoc 26 I go

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-skeleton-meme-skeletron-fortnite-girl-im-dead-gif-6100800821084384198

[trim badger]

Pain

There's a reason why I went full broken OP builds until I reached 40 again

[unreal bone]

Man I have been going full op builds

But the actual lobotomites I find in party finder are crazy

And the worst part is some of them are like havoc 40 clearence

Combat knife havoc 40 zealot who's doing literally no fucking damage

while I brick 4 bosses in a row with Thammer

[trim badger]

I think your issue is also accepting people without compatible builds with yours

There are some builds that need something else and some that are allrounders

[unreal bone]

My issue is just a majority of people I get are genuinely clueless.

How about the ogryn who just W keyed forward into a dog

[plain osprey]

May i introduce you to a CIVI auric maelstrom?

[unreal bone]

and then a trapper

[trim badger]

Most of these players can be detected before they even join your party

If they have a goober build then that means they're most likely to do ass

I swear the inspect from party finder mod saved me so much of a headache

I see people with clearance 40 have the most shit builds ever

[unreal bone]

2 havoc 40 ogryns

Will they have brains or no

[trim badger]

Check their builds

[unreal bone]

I don't play with addons.

[trim badger]

You're fukd

Good luck

[unreal bone]

Nah I saw pickaxes

And kickbacks

[unreal bone]

Nah that run went fine

Then again I also changed my build to be even more support :l

[normal bay]

Kickbacks? In Havoc?

[tame lodge]

48 shots baybeeeee

[heavy rover]

Same. Fuck it we ball

[trim badger]

At this point everything on Ogryn works in havoc

[normal bay]

I thought the breakpoints fell off a cliff. Maybe Havoc 2.0 is better?

[marsh condor]

Can you build a Bolter or Bolt Pistol as a sniper?

[hollow ibex]

Yup

[trim badger]

Havoc still has enemies with more hp, up to 50% on elites/specials, and 70% on bosses

[hollow ibex]

Though bolter is better for that purpose

[tame lodge]

Bistol has DA though

[proper delta]

what weapon is easiest to get 20 seconds of executioners on

i find that reloading ends my streak

[spark canopy]

Helbore lasgun on top

[hollow ibex]

It’s a trap tbh

[normal bay]

I think I did it with bolter. Just grab something with a big mag. Helbore, bolter, plasma

Bolter you'll need to space out your shots a bit

[spark canopy]

my helbore's stats and the perks i ran with it

it goes crazy on headshot damage, can 3 shot headshot a crusher on auric

you do have to space out your shots a bit though yeah

it doesn't stack repeated kills

so if you kill 2 elites within like a second of each other, you don't have 10sec extra, you have 6sec extra

it doesn't stack, it overlaps

[tame lodge]

3 shot crushers?

Oh it's the mk5

Nevermind

[proper delta]

helbore was the move ty

[unreal bone]

Man I can never run helbore.

Second favorite lasgun type but man maybe the meta has changed but that one blessing

that reduces charged time on repeated charged shots is so annoying

[fervent mesa]

best talent tree to make rashad work on this class?

[hollow ibex]

You just need reciprocity desperado and trench fighter basically

So bottom right

And preferably precision strikes too

[spark canopy]

yep

glad i could help

[proper delta]

i got 470 kraks 2470 marksmans focus and 200 weapons specialist crit weakspot kills left

idk why i am even doing this

any suggestions on which one is fastest

between marksman and weapons specialist

for marksmen i guess i mag dump hordes with recon lasgun and for specialist i was thinking revolver

[tame lodge]

You can also crab walk for MMF and use your melee

[proper delta]

interesting

i guess that one might be faster

does dodge remove stacks? its not stated in the description

[normal bay]

Weapon specialist is way faster

[normal bay]

You have a window where you can move and dodge after a headshot

But if you use the camouflage node and crouch, you can dodge all you want

[proper delta]

does grenade tinkerer matter on kraks at all

[normal bay]

Only for bosses I think

Maybe with bistol + lethal prox, might help

[primal zealot]

lethal prox is useless with kraks tbh

cus its a percent buff of an explosion radius thats tiny

[proper delta]

man 500 is nuts

[primal zealot]

there was this event a while back where the hordes git replaced with reskinned bruisers that counted as armor

easy af during that week

also just look for a civi maelstrom and take every grenade perk except field improv ofc

[spark canopy]

Weapon Specialist is easy enough
Use something pinpoint with little spread, like a bolt pistol
Nab a kill with your bolt pistol to get melee specialist, go for heads
Kill with melee specialist, grab your bolt to go ranged specialist, go for heads

Ezpz

[primal zealot]

or revolver

[spark canopy]

To each their own

[proper delta]

yeah im gonna use revolver and power sword

[spark canopy]

I've been enjoying the absolute hell out of the no keystone vet build

[fervent mesa]

how does this look?

[primal zealot]

keystoneless is kinda peak

[proper delta]

cannot wait until i do not have to use keystones for any penances LOL

[spark canopy]

some builds it's a necessity

[primal zealot]

looks ok depends on weapon combo

[spark canopy]

but for the most part they kinda just restrict the way you play

[primal zealot]

yea ofc. i wouldnt run a bolter without weapon spec

[fervent mesa]

i was asking for a tree to make rashad ok to use in this class

[sudden cedar]

Bad teammates are just another difficulty modifier. But sometimes..ough..

[primal zealot]

yea overall looks fine

although id get rid of exploit weakness n take the toughness node next to it

[tame lodge]

Drop Exploit Weakness

[hollow ibex]

I would drop exploit weakness for 25 toughness and try to squeeze in demo team. It’s a very important talent for grenadier builds

[tame lodge]

Path through the subnode

[fervent mesa]

aight extra toughness it is

[hollow ibex]

Nah still good for frags in auric

[fervent mesa]

twinsies

[shrewd flax]

so no one ever takes the voice of command node taht revives?

[tame lodge]

Yup

Not worth it

The distance reduction, the increased cool down

Not worth it

You can get better results by making sure your team doesn't go down by spamming shout very often

[calm shard]

executioners stance so there are no enemies to kill them >:)

[tame lodge]

Support Radical

[delicate lotus]

If i want support build can anyone recommend me one?

[tame lodge]

Out for blood

Born Leader

There

Kill everything

Feed small portions of toughness to your team

[scenic hull]

Hey hey people.
Question: What melee weapon is the best pick for dealing quickly with horde trash mobs (Pref one shotting unarmored)
Been using the shovel for a bit but i need to be able to just deal with unarmored enemies fast in order to keep taking out specialists.

[tame lodge]

Rashad

Power Sword

Heavy Sword

[scenic hull]

mkay i didnt entertain powersword because it had half the light attack dmg of the chainsword is i figured that it wasnt the right choice

[delicate lotus]

Mh thats the build my vet uses https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader

[tame lodge]

Yeah you need to power it up

Powered Sword = heretic slayer 40k

Unpowered = pool noodle

[faint beacon]

I wish they could make Unpowered have a fucking use

but no, we can't have nice things

[scenic hull]

yeah idk about having to power the thing up,
So if i just want a melee weapon that can deal the fastest with trashmobs with light attacks what would it be?

[heavy rover]

Rashad combat axe then

[scenic hull]

Ok will check it out

[tame lodge]

Unfortunately Longshot doesn't scale well

Take those and switch to the right side

One motion

Out for blood

Pick Catch A Breath instead of Get Back

Get back in the fight is trash

[proper delta]

weapon specialist starting to fade as soon as you swap makes me so sad

[scenic hull]

Follow up question. Why Rashad instead of Antax? The latter has twice the stats while both seems to have the same slow attack speed

[proper delta]

headshot go brr

[tame lodge]

Rashad has the finesse stat so it has better damage

To weakspot and criticals

[shrewd flax]

i was thinking, whats the point of the +25% ammo node when uisng hellbore? you never run out of ammo anyway

[scenic hull]

Gotcha. Damn there is a lot to stats in this game huh

[tame lodge]

It's a tax point

You want Superiority/Shock Trooper

[heavy rover]

Tax point to get to Shock Trooper and Superiority talents

[heavy rover]

Finesse stat helps with horde clearing, especially when using brutal momentum

[scenic hull]

Will give the rashad a go. Seems a bit slow but maybe the oneshotting is worth it

[delicate lotus]

Weapon recommendations my aim isnt great so nothing that isnt reliant on good aim?

[heavy rover]

Yeah, rashad is pretty slow, recommend to combine it with Trench Fighter Drill talent if you can reach it

[scenic hull]

Im currently on diff 4 and im trying so hard atm just to be able to use my class lol. But maybe it is because im doing mortis trials. (I have no idea if enemies gain hp bonuses with each wave. But last match was miserable with the chainsword. I had to swing at least 3 times on one mob and they just keep coming lol

[normal bay]

They do gain health, yeah

Chainsword being one of vets worst melees doesn't help

[scenic hull]

Also i miss when we had the refil mag ability on the volly fire. It was not that op. Just made Veteran more playable. Between dodging and trying to survive melee enemies. Reloading a bolter is a rare luxury. I often just spam nades on the ground to be able to catch a break to reload.

[long dove]

Yeah desperate reloads are always fun

[steep flower]

which shover mark? and what build for it? should not have problems with dispaching chaf with a shovel unless you built it wrong... or use mk VII

[long dove]

The powered damage is nutty

[steep flower]

Use Tac reload

@midnight wyvern Mah man come back! All it takes is to converse & not be upset

@olive halo @normal bay Are you guys up? @normal bay I can show ya that paul build

[proper delta]

god i love the train mission

[shrewd flax]

what is the difference between the hellbore marks?

[tame lodge]

Mk3 medium all arounder

Mk4 slowest charge, worst bayonet, hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game

Mk5 faster charge, less damage

Mk3 and 5 have the same sights

Mk4 has the little posts

On the default skins that is

[ember nest]

Which skin does has the best sights

And is the branx version's sights any good

[tame lodge]

None

[ember nest]

I wish I was around to grab the kreiger one with the box

[tame lodge]

The premium one has the sights slightly misaligned

💀

[ember nest]

Wait which one

Theres 2

[tame lodge]

Vostroyans iirc

[ember nest]

The vos one being missaligned is peak fatshark

[steep flower]

Mk V is the fastest charge rate, fast stab special attack & lowest ammo consumption on charged shots; usually disregarded cause it does not do enough dmg
Mk IIIa is the middle child of helbores; fast special attack, with Falter blessings it gets nice breakpoints for staggering like trappers, flamers, bombers or reapers (technically the best mark overall)
Mk IV is the heaviest mark; intended to use againts beefier targets, the only helbore that with a correct build can kill crushers reliably, horrible special attack, has a delay between each shot fired when charged which makes it slower despite using blessings like Weight of Fire (which should be used for this mark alone), has some use but the 2 bad things mentioned above are its main weakness

[ember nest]

I need to get back into helboretide

[proper delta]

whats a boltgun build

[steep flower]

wdym?

[proper delta]

theres an exestance boltgun build mentioned in the omni guide and someone in here earlier mentioned using boltgun

whats the build for it

[shrewd flax]

thanks

[normal bay]

Yup

[steep flower]

if you wanna you can hop in vc & i'll show ya; i'm in-game right now https://discord.gg/q5zvZp5b

[marble yew]

betweeen demolition team vs demolition stockpile which on is considered better?

[faint beacon]

team on higher diffs (Auric or Havoc)

Stockpile is a good neutral cause its confirmed every minute

so if you're just incredibly unlucky stockpile has you covered

[steep flower]

https://discord.gg/q5zvZp5b

[normal bay]

Sorry @steep flower , havig issues. 2 secs

[marble yew]

Aight, i had an idea to run field improvisation instead because I don't need two grenade replenishment talents (field impro gives some grenades too though)

[faint beacon]

Field improv tbh pass on

[marble yew]

ill just remove demo stockpile and run field improvisation and demo team then

[faint beacon]

Two grenade regens lets you spam them out if you're running shredders

and thats insane horde clear

[marble yew]

hmmm

[ember nest]

essp in havoc

[faint beacon]

its a Bread and Butter to run both in havoc on vet

cause you're very all or nothing

[ember nest]

in auric I find that like

[faint beacon]

aka you either dont die

or die immediately

[ember nest]

the other one doesn't work alot

the one for killing specials/elites has less value to me in auric than it does in havok

[marble yew]

I usually did not run the ammo aura before havoc came out because my plasma had almost infinite ammo, with havocs low ammo pickups do you think survivalist is necessary even with the plasma

[ember nest]

it's aide to the rest of your team so like

yeah

[olive halo]

I got like an hour

[hollow ibex]

Yah close and kill is the best aura

[ocean swallow]

is there a mod that puts a visual indicator for when the psword is energised

[muted gorge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f6a4134-544d-4990-b879-43653afd9d1e/bolter-go-brrrrr-2 can i get a build check?

[tame lodge]

You really want to reload huh

Also decided to get the worst node instead of Iron Will

Crazy work

💀

[muted gorge]

i gotta get that bolter reload as short as possible for more bolter

and since it has the biggest reload, it benefits the most from reload speed % perks

thats my logic anyway

I looked at Iron Will and got that instead

good idea

[open ravine]

Actually plasma got the longest

[ember nest]

man theres so many tax nodes that add up "in theory" for vet but just aren't worth anything

[open ravine]

Blue nodes are just better

Also greys take too much space

[orchid hemlock]

Reload with Bolt does change the dynamic of the weapon, you can be much more aggressive from melee or range

The problem is that the reload on the perks means you loose a lot of damage breakpoints for one shots 💀

[orchid hemlock]

I would argue tbh that Vet is where the most misinformation on the talent tree has within the community 💀

A lot of nodes that are usually labeled as "useless", especially at the upper portion of the tree misses a lot of nuance

[ember nest]

it's mainly because of opportunity cost imo

[orchid hemlock]

What does "opportunity cost" mean?

[ember nest]

spending points in one place locks you out of spending those points elsewhere

[obtuse finch]

The 'use all ammo while having 90 accuracy' penance is going to be the end of me. I'm using the plasma gun as people have reccomended me but still

[ember nest]

the more you have to go through to get to certain parts of the tree, the less attractive the even slightly elss desireable nodes are

[orchid hemlock]

I mean I think that's the whole point of the tree

The bottlenecking for Vet usually starts around the layer after the ability

[ember nest]

sure, but that's what ends up screwing it over

[orchid hemlock]

It's not like Zealot where the bottlenecking is literally every single layer 💀

[ember nest]

zealot is a lot more focused imo

[orchid hemlock]

I think it actually evens out, because all of the Vet keystones are generally bad

At least in comparison to other classes

The problem with vet is the linear progression from layer 2 to layer 3 and the dogshit keystones 😈

[ember nest]

what does the emoji mean here

[orchid hemlock]

Dogshit

Bad

😈

[ember nest]

that's a smiling imp

[orchid hemlock]

Evil ig

[ember nest]

a malicious face

[orchid hemlock]

Keystoneless vet gang rise up

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah that's very bad, because it means that 60% of the tree is useless 💀

There are like 3 builds on Zealot, and they are all at least 80% the same

[ember nest]

unless you're hard gearing into blades of faith idk

[orchid hemlock]

Blades of Faith not only has the best pathing towards the actual grenade, but it is also the best grenades out of the 3

[ember nest]

I don't disagree, but I still see the other grenades

[orchid hemlock]

It's not even close because Fatshark forgot to give the other grenades Regen 💀

[stuck gorge]

flames of faith (or whatever the fire grenade is called i forgor)regenerating after enough fire kills would be cool to see

[ember nest]

I only see, in comparison, krak and smoke if someone is doing a penance or is having..."fun"

[orchid hemlock]

The other grenades are cool, the problem is you can't replenish them

Even then I question if it would be still justified because second wind is probably by far the best talent in the entire tree

Scourge is also mandatory in crit builds

[ember nest]

yer

I've seen builds for both other nades that still take those

[orchid hemlock]

Not only that, but what's even worse is that you then need to waste points to go all the way to the left to take Duelist

At the very least on Vet, you can take whichever grenade you want and it shouldn't be that impactful as you path towards the ability you want

The only "must have" talent before you take the ability is the grenade Regen

[ember nest]

I would assume this is why people also want a zel rework

[tawdry osprey]

the recon gun build is fun but how high do yall rank it for difficulty? auric?

[ocean swallow]

all the way up to 40

[tawdry osprey]

really ? nice

[past stratus]

every choice in vet is taxed to hell but Zealot does seem to have the most stiff building path

[calm shard]

havoc 40 viable

[calm shard]

yeah vet suffers from tax points limiting build variety

zealot has the same problem, but also 2/3 of their skill tree are worthless

[tawdry osprey]

what's the point of this guy ?

less ammo yet not good damage

[calm shard]

this one consumes 2 ammo per shot

the other 2 recon lasguns don't

[tame lodge]

Funniest part of Vet need buffs/rework talk is that Helbores became S++ tier overnight

And there's not a lot of talk about it outside this channel

[muted gorge]

it just got me through a hi intense damnation so i dont think its that bleak

[distant plaza]

have you tried the double barreled shotgun?

[normal bay]

Our Lord and Saviour

[steep flower]

the only reason it is picked over Antax Caxe really

[obtuse finch]

Finished the penance, actually

[distant plaza]

good stuff m8

[shrewd flax]

this 488 damage is fully charged shot or just aimed?

[honest quiver]

fully charged shot

[normal bay]

No idea but it will at least 2 shot a crusher

[formal hamlet]

So I recently cleared my first series of Havoc 40 missions after never having even done Havoc before (apparently the weekly resource payout is the same regardless of what Havoc level I clear?). The guy I was playing with seemed quite knowledgeable and said the build I was using, recommended by people in this channel, wasn't optimal. Particularly top of talent tree.

Normally my builds have One Motion and Out for Blood, but he was saying you want to get Close Order Kill and Confirmed Kill, because one of them is currently bugged and is actually active at all times or something. Also got me to change my plasma blessings to Blaze Away / Gets Hot, said my mobility is not dump stat on duelling sword and I want that to be cleave.

Wanted to verify this information, maybe the build I was using was just outdated? He got me to switch some other talents around too, but I think I get the reasoning for those ones mostly.

[calm shard]

fully charged bodyshot before any modifiers

it will not be doing that damage on headshot or crit, and will usually being around 5-10 times that damage in game

helbore strong

[formal hamlet]

So long as you've got space to be popping weak spots, I imagine.

It's my favourite ranged weapon, but I find it hard to use on higher difficulties when there's just non-stop enemies around us.

[calm shard]

who needs space when you can simply headshot at point blank :)

[formal hamlet]

At point blank I often bayonet to the face, seems to have surprisingly good stagger too.

[warm schooner]

that's a lot of interesting advice

[calm shard]

wrong about both on the COK/CK thing

out for blood is more popular amongst "experienced" players since it gives you toughness regen from literally every enemy

neither are bugged to always be active

[unreal nova]

Easily because they are annoying to use to most ppl. They can't snap fire, is slow and clunky, and generally is awkward. If they made the inflas op overnight, it'll be a different story.

[calm shard]

but Close Order Drill is wrong about the damage reduction it gives

It's multiplicative with itself so it actually caps at 27% TDR

[formal hamlet]

They may have been referring to Catch a Breath and Killzone, because those came up in the same convo, but neither of them need to be bugged to be permanantly active, they already say they do that essentially.

[calm shard]

they are permanently active as they state

until you are hit by a melee attack

not targeted like they say

being hit also includes blocking something

[formal hamlet]

Includes blocking? Damn, doubt I'd be getting much uptime on those then.

[unreal nova]

Unless you knoife or ds.

PS dodges lmao.

[formal hamlet]

It's kinda hard to get good info because if I get it from YouTube, folks in this channel say those builds are terrible. Then I get my build advice from here, and now this guy is saying Veteran channel people don't know what they're talking about. Everyone is saying everyone else is wrong and they're right.

[calm shard]

vet discord is usually correct

[warm schooner]

that's how it goes

[calm shard]

and if it isn't the pinned guide is and god knows veteran ain't changing any time soon

[warm schooner]

if you have to trust something, path's guide is generally a good choice

[unreal nova]

Youtubers just want you to stick around for the adrev.

[formal hamlet]

Well, I'd rather put my trust in a group of people agreeing on something than just one individual, but yeah, guy seemed to know his shit, but I like to verify what I learn from folks so I'm not gimping myself when trying to improve.

[warm schooner]

a lot of guys in party finder just speak confidently

and have no idea what they're doing

[unreal nova]

You don't wanna listen to most.

[sonic kayak]

Generally the idea is that if someone says something is bad and they can't explain why, they are parroting what they hear from someone else

In this server, people generally explain why you go with one over the other

[formal hamlet]

Oh he explained it all.

But a lot of it goes over my head.

I hate build crafting, I just want a build that does what I need so I can enjoy my gameplay.

[warm schooner]

that's fair

[formal hamlet]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/user/qiangiq

These are a bunch of their builds, I was planning to try some out.

I only have 2 Zealot builds so wanted some variety.

This fellow was very knowledgeable with maps, knew which walls to hug and where to hold for various triggers. So I'm sure they know a good deal, but wasn't sure how much of the build tweaks were optimal and how much of it was just personal preference.

[warm schooner]

there's a fair amount of personal preference after a point

[honest quiver]

mf hates bombers

[warm schooner]

I've played with that guy, he's not bad at all

[formal hamlet]

Yeah he got me to change my curious.

He said for starters, you don't want triple gunner resistance because the resistance bonus is lower the more you stack.

[placid shoal]

bomber stat was very meta early on lol

hmmmm

[formal hamlet]

So he said you want to split between gunners and bombers, since pox bursters can ruin your day.

Diminishing returns is the word I was looking for.

[narrow frost]

you do still want it, buts its perference for a 3rd

I do want 50% gunner res

[honest quiver]

makes sense on zealot

odd that he chose to do this on veteran as well

[warm schooner]

yeah that third gunner resist isn't gonna make or break a build

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I mean gunners are a bitch so definitely want to keep some res for that.

[warm schooner]

interesting, he takes 8 stacks on FT

[formal hamlet]

I went from mainly playing Damnation to doing Havoc 40, and honestly after going back to Auric I feel so much more confident. I guess I just had to push myself to do tougher difficulties to force myself to learn. Havoc 40 helped me really appreciate things like Veteran frags for the massive hordes of Bulwarks and shit rushing at us.

[unreal nova]

Thing is, you reduce more with 3 though it is technically less. So he is both right and wrong.

Although in h40, that's like dying before a blink or after a blink.

[formal hamlet]

Things that are meant to be meta don't feel amazing at lower difficulties, but at the higher ones they seem to truly shine. Two shotting elites with duelling sword, spamming shout off cooldown and getting its cooldown reduced from all the specials, plasma gun just cleaving through 50 specials, it all starts to come together.

[warm schooner]

yeah some builds only shine at certain scale of enemies coming, others falter under pressure that would normally be okay before

[formal hamlet]

It feels like I want builds specifically for Havoc 40, and other builds for just doing regular difficulties.

[warm schooner]

eh not really

any havoc 40 build should easily take care of auric maelstrom or less

[formal hamlet]

He was showing me a psyker build with this white flamethrow kinda thing, was melting mixed hordes. But he said it only shines at Havoc 40 because it kinda scales off enemy density to keep its heat levels low or something?

My friend tried using that same build on regular missions and he said it wasn't giving him the same damage / results.

I don't know shit about psyker since I don't have one.

[warm schooner]

so yes some builds only show the right numbers under the right circumstances

but I would also caution thinking scoreboard damage numbers are the only important things to evaluate

[unreal nova]

It's like Demo team.

Basically worth nothing before auric.

[formal hamlet]

Right. Not so much damage numbers but moreso its contribution to the team. I didn't really have good horde clear besides my frag on Veteran, they said that was our Psyker's job, while I should focus on shout uptime, and taking down elites while spamming pings for damage bonus etc.

Apparently yellow toughness is mandatory because everyone one-shots you otherwise.

[unreal nova]

Just not enough elites and specials to feed the 5%.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah the special density was kinda crazy.

[warm schooner]

yeah there are different problems that need solving, too much focus on damage numbers created by horde clear isn't necessarily useful if the run was unstable due to a lack of boss damage or someone taking too much damage and going down frequently

[unreal nova]

Not really, that one is a git gud thing. I have seen a psyker doing shriek in h40 into 3 arbys and one arby ragequitted. Still went fine cos said psyker is good.

[warm schooner]

yeah yellow toughness is not mandatory necessarily

[formal hamlet]

I see. But it makes life much easier?

[warm schooner]

but very dependent on the team moving and positioning correctly which oftentimes doesn't work with pugs

it makes things more forgiving

[unreal nova]

Like bubble, it's really just nice to have.

[formal hamlet]

Gotcha.

Yeah psyker's bubbles were great.

Nice not being shot while I'm in melee.

Especially because we did a lot of falling back and holding positions.

[tawdry osprey]

how do you make it good

[calm shard]

most people don't get shot while in melee because enemies can't normally shoot through their teammates

ogryn players cannot relate

[tame lodge]

Always has been

[calm shard]

I wouldn't really say overnight they were regular old S tier before

[tawdry osprey]

never used it

[tame lodge]

Put surgical on it

[tawdry osprey]

so tell me

[formal hamlet]

I was kinda worried I'd just be getting carried, or waste people's time by getting us wiped, and I did die a lot first few tries, but once I got the hang of what they needed me to do, it went really smooth and they said I was pulling my own weight, which was a relief. I was almost gonna peace out since I felt bad for being potential dead weight.

[unreal nova]

StaresGLARES at trapper.

[tame lodge]

Then it's just the casual build

[tame lodge]

Casual Helbore W as always

[formal hamlet]

Mourningstar chat IQ low as usual.

[tame lodge]

Anyone got a helby build for Rewdy here?

I can't rn

[warm schooner]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f651e11-6cba-46c4-acb5-2fce3dfdd310/h40-shoutbore

[calm shard]

helbore also makes exe viable in havoc 40 if you want to be spicy

[unreal nova]

What da...

[formal hamlet]

Yeah no idea, I just noticed it when I glanced back at game lol.

[tawdry osprey]

canon reject banter

[tall torrent]

No

[unreal nova]

Do we literally have kids playing nowadays?

[calm shard]

like 40K isn't any childs wet dream

[tawdry osprey]

thanks, by the way i've been wondering why no one uses agile on duelling sword ? seems insane

[calm shard]

big stupid garishly colored army men toys fighting other big stupid garishly colored army men

and this one's COOL because he's dark and has SPIKES

[warm schooner]

you can, uncanny strikes has an additional benefit of helping bleed damage

and oftentimes you don't need the infinite dodges

[atomic void]

when i was a kid i wanted to grow up an d be like bobby gooliman (great guy never met him)

[formal hamlet]

Oh so for comparison's sake.

[warm schooner]

especially because if things don't die you can get corner trapped and the dodges won't help with that

[steep flower]

checking it out but i can already say some choices are rather questionable

[formal hamlet]

This is the plasma build he got me to use, seems he has it in his profile. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ea4a7e6-a58a-4d98-a9d5-9e6e5674bbdd/tagvet-havoc-40

[steep flower]

is a nice build; i dunno if 8 stacks for tag is required tho but then again redirect fire is used with target down so yeah

[unreal nova]

Stupid war with op races clashing. Then funni IG zerg rushes. The actual green army men army.

[formal hamlet]

I was confused by the 8 stacks because I was told this talent was actually not needed, as you can reapply stacks by pinging again.

I believe I mentioned this to them, can't recall the answer I got sadly.

[steep flower]

its for stacking redirect fire to 8; dunno if 4,5% extra dmg is worth a talent point tho

[warm schooner]

I would say 8 stacks is a definite personal preference pick. Pinging and killing a target will refresh the current FT buff that is currently active

[tame lodge]

Damn

11 it is then

[steep flower]

would be nice to get Out for blood or tac reload (with animation canceling for plasma its gonna be even faster)

[formal hamlet]

He was on an Ogryn that had something called death mark or something, he said if I ping and he applies mark, we get a huge damage bonus to kill bosses much quicker.

[unreal nova]

Is a, do you want to tax a node for barely an increase in damage?

[formal hamlet]

Like if Ogryn shoves an enemy it puts a damage bonus on them.

[unreal nova]

You could kill big targets faster, but it means you aren't pinging targets as much to wait for stacks.

[unreal nova]

That's brittleness.

I know, I run it.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I wonder if I was even hitting max stacks often because there are so many specials that I ping one, we kill it instantly, I ping the next etc.

[steep flower]

thats the reason 8 stacks is not really good; many targets to mark to utilise the debuff & since you have target down you wanna keep restoring that stamina & toughness to everyone by pinging & killing

[unreal nova]

Is really why it's pointless if you are actually using it.

[formal hamlet]

On my plasma build I had gone down right tree a bit to get Trench Fighter, so the major changes from mine were him removing that right side and applying the extra points in things like that.

[unreal nova]

You will never be sitting at 8 stacks unless forced "loading" screen.

[tawdry osprey]

do yall run recon las with infernus ? or dum dum ?

[unreal nova]

Lifts.

[formal hamlet]

Gotcha. I might remove that and see if I can get some other utility talent.

[steep flower]

why not both?

[unreal nova]

Yes and yes.

[tawdry osprey]

headhunter

[unreal nova]

More value unless you do a dumb and take longshotshit lul.

[formal hamlet]

What about grabbing COD and Confirmed Kill over One Motion / Out for Blood? He said right side was meta a few weeks ago but things changed.

[warm schooner]

I would say it depends

[unreal nova]

Those depends on playstyle and what you want in your build.

[tame lodge]

Dumdum + Spitter

I'm literally a plant from plants vs zombies

[formal hamlet]

Any other questionable picks?

[warm schooner]

if I was playing with ps6 as a melee I'd definitely go right side for sure, I will be clearing trash quickly and get the movement speed bonus

[unreal nova]

Middle focuses on shooting and killing elites and specials, right is all rounder. You funni 'nadex2 full toughness.

[steep flower]

mah man knows whats good; i approve

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/sunflower-pvz-singing-gif-17681690944762513733

[warm schooner]

so I can sustain that way as well as quick swap if I want it

[formal hamlet]

How useful is Kill Zone if even blocking melee resets the buff?

[warm schooner]

dodge > block

[tame lodge]

Very useful

[steep flower]

being able to get COD alone is good; TDR is important

[tame lodge]

Just dodge lol

[warm schooner]

you should be dodging more than blocking

[tame lodge]

[steep flower]

just dont block/don't be soo pushy into melee

[warm schooner]

if I have to block attacks shit has usually gone really sideways

[formal hamlet]

Hm, good to know, will keep that then.

[warm schooner]

especially if you're using DS as melee which has a really forgiving dodge range

[tawdry osprey]

ds dodge is so fucking big

[warm schooner]

you can get away with shit all the time that you wouldn't be able to with other melee weapons with worse mobility

[formal hamlet]

I probably will for H40, but I also want my melee option to be a bit modular, maybe I wanna run psword or something.

Especially since duelling sword isn't going to stay like this for long.

[warm schooner]

who knows what it will be

[formal hamlet]

I asked him actually what do I do when duelling sword gets nerfed, and he said probably use knife.

[warm schooner]

I mean sure

[formal hamlet]

I guess the idea is that I want both my range/melee to kill priority targets fast, let someone else handle horde clear.

How is taxe vs. combat axe?

[tame lodge]

Combat Axe>>>>>

[warm schooner]

some people really like taxe

would not be my first suggestion for a newer player

rashad is way more forgiving

[tame lodge]

Caxe Hits harder
Has higher cleave on the staggering push attack

[unreal nova]

Tacaxe will be your budget ds for mobility if you agile who... uhh... dependant.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I know combat axe was considered very solid, but I'm seeing a lot of tactical axe use lately.

[unreal nova]

Cos was buffed.

[tame lodge]

And still shit

[unreal nova]

Is now faster.

[tame lodge]

Still capped at 3 targets

[tall torrent]

if u go 80% thermal u might get 12 shots\

[formal hamlet]

I didn't like spamming left click on taxe, but then again I'm just doing charge attacks on DS so guess it's just preference.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

I have an ammo dump somewhere

Gonna use that

Yeah yeah I know worst ammo economy in the game

But I'm the Muhfuh with the plasma gun

All ammo is mine by rights

https://tenor.com/view/desiler-giga-chad-gif-9574825124538696572

[unreal nova]

But you light spam.

[tame lodge]

💀

1.5 to 3 cleave

On light assassin

I can take this cleave to 9

And still won't damage a 4th target

And people will yet tell me it's good

https://tenor.com/view/travis-scott-travis-scott-apology-travis-astroworld-gif-23723017

I can take to 10.5 without BM

I can fix her
But she doesn't want to be fixed

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-blade-runner-darktide-when-you-find-me-gif-13647306158287826208

We could've had it all

[formal hamlet]

So for curios is it only the +3 stamina one that you want to get above 420 power so it's actually giving you 3, or does that apply to anny others?

[tawdry osprey]

only stam

i think its 410

[formal hamlet]

Phew, mine's exactly 410.

Also we mentioned how taxe is fast, is this just in movement or does it also mean unlike combat axe I can not bother with trench fighter drill?

[tawdry osprey]

i dunno what that node is but it's faster swings and less damage

[hollow ibex]

Could skip but obviously it helps a lot

[hollow ibex]

You’re good

[unreal nova]

Still, single target bonk bonk.

[tame lodge]

There are better available

We could've had it all

Rolling down in the deep

[calm shard]

exe stance very fun to play

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/astronaut-ocean-astronaut-in-the-ocean-tiktok-gif-21628016

[calm shard]

I like being the only guy killing elites and specialists lmao

[calm shard]

also playing exe vet too much convinces me the ai knows where you are aiming and actively avoids being there

because this happens a lot

[gilded rock]

I've noticed this

Especially with specialists sometimes breakneck 180ing right as you go to shoot in the middle of their run

[tame lodge]

"That Muhfuh learned wall hacks. I better keep my ass behind this wall or I'm cooked"

[tropic notch]

If you wanna be cool now you gotta run the Chainsword with vet because If don’t you’re not good!!!!!

I really hope for a mk of chainsword that use has the dc mk4 moveset

[rotund tartan]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f6aad30-5be6-4361-af69-6849f1d01122/meta-vet-build my friend linked this build and i've been using it in game, can it be improved?

[calm shard]

ngl

this looks like someone made the worst possible veteran build

while still using all 30 points to make a "reasonable" build

[red fox]

is chainsword good again

[rotund tartan]

why would someone do that?

[calm shard]

the entire thing is a disaster

from the weapons to the curios, and the talent tree

[red fox]

This has to be a meme

3 wounds

[calm shard]

yeah

3 wound trinkets makes me think it's bad on purpose

[tropic notch]

This just turned me into a pillar of salt

[rotund tartan]

its good for when you go down

[calm shard]

authentic bad players would run health trinkets

or at least not all 3 wounds

[tropic notch]

It’s pretty meta tbh

[red fox]

Don't go down

[rotund tartan]

heresy is insane difficulty im going to go down sometimes

[tropic notch]

We should gatekeep this build

[red fox]

If your build looks like this, then i understand why you're going down

[rotund tartan]

@narrow frost back me up on this

[tropic notch]

Please don’t post the secret meta dude

[tame lodge]

I'm sorry

Why is it called meta?

💀

[tropic notch]

It’s good

[tame lodge]

Achlys Axe

With Limbsplitter

[tropic notch]

All my builds are terrible so this is kinda insane

[tame lodge]

This is the opposite

💀

[tropic notch]

Dude it literally has meta in the title

[tame lodge]

Tf is this

[rotund tartan]

im going to complete h40 with this build and prove you all wrong

[tame lodge]

Shock Trooper on a vigi

This is hilariously wrong

[tropic notch]

Sometimes it shoots lasers

[red fox]

It's shocking

hence, shock trooper

[tropic notch]

Uhhh gale back me up

[tame lodge]

I'm fucking dying over herw

[red fox]

Never let the heretics know your next move

[tame lodge]

Just when I was about to talk how Smaul feels good now

Boom

[tropic notch]

@rotund tartan please post your zealot build

[tame lodge]

Big joke

[calm shard]

wild (serious) idea for a buff to skirmisher

[rotund tartan]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f6a7a2e-b9a5-4e3c-9374-545351e59e24/zealot-meta-30

[calm shard]

make it remove the stamina regen pause on dodging

👍

[tropic notch]

I just soloed a havoc with this

[tame lodge]

But you can't stack Skirmisher while dodging

Right?

[red fox]

took like 5 minutes cuz it's just that Meta

[tame lodge]

Ok

Smaul

Flak Unarmored no melee talents

One shot bruisers

On H2

2 shot gunners

Hmmmm

Kinda bummed the special doesn't proc Skrusher

[red fox]

Whats the special for the Smaul i've never used it

I collected a god roll one and then just stored it away

[tame lodge]

It's a cow prod basically

Single target stun

Uh

Chainsword special if it had innate bleed

[calm shard]

ignores stagger resistance too

[red fox]

that seems good

[calm shard]

can stun bulwarks through their shields

[red fox]

Chainsword special feels weak i dunno why

[calm shard]

it's pretty alright yeah

[calm shard]

because it is weak

[red fox]

Ah

[calm shard]

its damage is both very low, and concentrated entirely at the end of the animation

[tame lodge]

I can special a gunner

Let the full animation play

Then push once and proc Skrusher

It dies

[red fox]

I thought it got buffed recently or something

what about the eviscereator? same issues?

[tame lodge]

No no
The Eviscerators take a fucking chunk

A huge chunk

[red fox]

Okay, i'm levelling zealot for the first time and loving that thing

[tame lodge]

The Evis15 with Unarmored can 1 heavy a dreg gunners head

[red fox]

Sick

I recently finally maxed out a rashad and took it to a few auric runs

i think it's way more reliable than the PS

[rigid pilot]

I tried the buff evisc

Is nice but like

If you are fighting 5 shotgunners it's just better to just spam lmb..

Heavies are still way too slow compared to stuff like relic blade

You can either stunlock all 5 of them and end them within 3-5 swings or heavy a few, but not before they start spreading out and shooting you

And with the cleave limit removed it's even better to spam lmb in most situations

[hollow ibex]

Mk XV?

[rigid pilot]

The moments that require heavy are vs enemies like mauler/crusher/bulwark and the heavy just doesn't do that well into carapace and the rev is still slow, not unusable but compared to it's competition it's not good

[rigid pilot]

I forgor but the one with sweeping lights and strikedown heavies

[tame lodge]

You're playing it wrong to think it doesn't do well against carapace

💀

[rigid pilot]

How many heavies to kill crusher

Without rev

How many heavies to kill crusher with relic blade

[tame lodge]

1 Rev

[rigid pilot]

[tame lodge]

[rigid pilot]

And you don't get stuck

[tame lodge]

See?

Playing wrong

[rigid pilot]

It's not bad but it's worse

[tame lodge]

[rigid pilot]

Can't convince me it's better

[tame lodge]

Don't need to

[rigid pilot]

With chastise

[tame lodge]

You just convinced me you're playing it wrong

[rigid pilot]

Show me

Oh

Must be using middle keystone

🤷 still has the light spam problem though

[elder vessel]

I've decided that maul is the new worst personality in the game, second to the Cutthroat

painfully 1 dimensional

[hollow ibex]

“Problem”

Light spam is the best

If you want fancy moves use Mk3

[rigid pilot]

I want the heavy to have a purpose in combat

Just personal bias

[hollow ibex]

I think that’s kinda the point

[rigid pilot]

Other than just with rev or don't use it

[hollow ibex]

maul is a cartoon villain

[elder vessel]

Irrelevant because you have the rev

[rigid pilot]

Yea which means the buff to heavies are still whatever honestly

[elder vessel]

ragers

staggers em

cuz the rev

chhhhheerrrmmmmm and they go uggffjbhhh

[rigid pilot]

I prefer the push attack it's faster

Also light attack staggers them

They do the dance

[elder vessel]

true which is why you push attack heavy

[rigid pilot]

That's like the only thing that's fun about the weapon but I wished the heavy did more

[elder vessel]

cartoon villains can also be fun and interesting

look at any of the zealots

maul is just boring

you heard 1 maul voiceline you get the entire jist of the character

authoritarian is an authoritarian as the name implies

but hes also a book-keeping pencil pushing turbo nerd

[hollow ibex]

Counterpoint. Mandated Edict: A swift kick to the balls.

[hearty panther]

male maul is a cartoon villain who sounds like he's putting on an act, female maul sounds like a genuine psychopath who REALLY believes the shit that comes out of her mouth

[hollow ibex]

I haven’t played any of the female characters lol

[hearty panther]

its all in the delivery

[tame lodge]

[elder vessel]

mandated edict: a can of chef boyardees beef ravioli

[rigid pilot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/801458498318761984/1355600217013227672/Horse.gif

[hearty panther]

i dont evny the male maul VO though, putting on that voice must be the worst

and then trying to actually put personality through it, too? fuck that

[rigid pilot]

Yea but I wasn't talking about rev

[elder vessel]

they wasted kerillian on mauls script

[rigid pilot]

You can't just gotcha me on something I wasn't saying but sure you win

[tame lodge]

no I was saying you must be using wrong to think it doesnt do well into carapace

[rigid pilot]

Heavy doesn't do well onto carapace

Not heavy + rev

[tame lodge]

yeah so you're using it wrong

[rigid pilot]

Sure

[tame lodge]

[elder vessel]

True but also entirely irrelevant

[tame lodge]

take your stinky ahh feet away from me

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-11895255

also the healthbars mod inverted the colors of weakspot

shit threw me off

[elder vessel]

thinking about elves....

lift staff in darktide

hmmmmmmrmrrrr..r.

[tame lodge]

Me buying a PC so I can mod darktide and play Psykhanium simulator

[rigid pilot]

Same tbh

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/what-am-i-doing-daniel-larusso-ralph-macchio-the-karate-kid3-whats-with-me-gif-24815223

[unreal nova]

Male maul tbh. Female sounds abit better, but they are much rarer than 3 male maul lobbies.