veteran-class

[vague wigeon]

LoL is, unfortunately, still alive and is a worst moba.

Hots is, gladly, still alive and best moba ever made for now, yeah

[tame lodge]

It's mid

[unreal nova]

And there are worse. I had a phase where I played every MOBA on the market, lul.

[tame lodge]

And like 2 keystones are half working rn

Or something like that

[warm kettle]

bug fixes are something else im concerned with but id be lying if I didnt say I have more childish reasoning

[unreal nova]

I still miss Vain Glory.

[mortal aspen]

it's not getting nerfed in the next 1-2 years

don't even count on it

[warm kettle]

I won't, but I'll pray for general fixes to it

[vague wigeon]

And also, I'm convinced that Riot Games have stole Leoric's aesthetics to rework mordekaiser

[tame lodge]

FS is going to fix it and break something else about it

[safe kestrel]

Arbites is OP on staying up last but also the reason everyone went down

[unreal nova]

Reason for offlane is cos tanky, can take harassment fine and bully back.

[warm kettle]

honestly, I havent really felt any classes get hit with nerfs yet, but i dont play religiously

[tame lodge]

I'm tanky if I never take damage

[vague wigeon]

I begin to doubt this

[tame lodge]

[warm kettle]

the only nerf ive really felt is the old cheesy thrust+thunderhammer

[tame lodge]

[safe kestrel]

I do not

[tame lodge]

Oh wait

[mortal aspen]

3 wound arbies in auric mael, refusing to walk into the elevator 5m from them

pain

[tame lodge]

They gave Arby's the worst dodges in the game

💀

[warm kettle]

how does one make everyone else go down? all I can think of is splitting from the partyt

ahhh

[vague wigeon]

Oh boy, you haven't felt PS nerfs

[tame lodge]

They feed you bad dodges so you buy their DR

[unreal nova]

Riot stole so much from DOTA in the first place.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-conspiracy-time-tin-foil-hat-gif-20017112

[warm kettle]

well, I used power sword before and after...I still like it but yeah good point

[unreal nova]

And I mean off hero suggestions and such.

[warm kettle]

thats real

[safe kestrel]

It would almost be tolerable if the clutch rate was higher, but it’s genuinely not for most

[past stratus]

league of legends talk means Veterans really reached rock bottom 😭

[vague wigeon]

Lol wut?

1. They gave talent that enhances dodges

2. Wtf for real? I never had any troubles dodging stuff on arby

[warm kettle]

can I assume then that relying on blocking and team-mates is the way to handle arbies?

[unreal nova]

No, we are talking about how shit it is though.

[tame lodge]

Yes
2 meters dodge

Most weapons are negative modifiers

[past stratus]

someone is going to install league just from reading this chat

[tame lodge]

And a talent to enhance dodges

[past stratus]

it's the ultimate brain virus

[tame lodge]

You're getting taxed for better dodges

[vague wigeon]

And what is the usual ridge distance?

[unreal nova]

I will just boot up Vain Glory instead and sigh.

[vague wigeon]

Dodge*

[tame lodge]

A crusher arbiter has the worst dodges in the game

[hollow ibex]

Arbi is being taxed!!! Arbi suffers 😭 😭 😭

[tame lodge]

Depends on the class

[vague wigeon]

I mean, dude

[tame lodge]

Zealot is 2.5 iirc

Ogryn is 3

[vague wigeon]

I have played with PS so much

[tame lodge]

Arbitrator and Psyker are 2

[vague wigeon]

That I don't notice this

[tame lodge]

I don't remember vets

[mortal aspen]

just use taxe

xdd

[safe kestrel]

It’s just that most don’t actually understand this classes specialties or limitations, so they play it in a way that’s unfavorable for overall outcome but seems to be working great for the time being until they hit a havoc they can’t handle or situation they can’t solo

[mortal aspen]

I mean, for the lack of dodges you get a shield and a 80% DR button

good tradeoff

[warm kettle]

ahhh I see, overconfidence when they havent stress tested their builds

[vague wigeon]

I was kinda about to say it

[unreal nova]

Stares at RED.

[tame lodge]

Vet is also 2.5m

[unreal nova]

If you go casti.

[vague wigeon]

Sounds like a solid concept for some class

One that doesn't dodge damaged but tanks it

But you need some...

Uuuh, how is it called in English?

Limitations

Triggers

[unreal nova]

Damage reduction? Block nodes? Tankiness?

[mortal aspen]

Arby just has so much stuff, so many damage nodes, DR nodes, 500 toughness regen nodes

[warm kettle]

Cohesion between abilities?

[unreal nova]

Just lone wulf.

[tall torrent]

2.5m for veteran and zealot
2m for psyker and arbitrator
3m for ogryn

All weapons that scale % dodge distance will scale from these values unless overriden (exclusive to a few very specific weapons)

[vague wigeon]

CONDITIONS

[mortal aspen]

Ogryn has best dodges

[unreal nova]

I'm still annoyed that alone is 8 nodes worth.

[mortal aspen]

xdd

[vague wigeon]

I remembered this

[tall torrent]

But no dodge linger

[safe kestrel]

What’s that?

[past stratus]

the only good moba was release Heroes of the Storm 😔 and blizzard killed it for esports

[unreal nova]

Even if it trades dog for... vet gets a shitty cover mechanic that doesn't even work.

[vague wigeon]

Hots is alive!

I still play it

[unreal nova]

Havoc modifier. Final toll.

[vague wigeon]

They added brawls back recently

Also made some reworks

Feels like they might revive it

[unreal nova]

You can't bully 6 crushers from overheading you anymore.

[past stratus]

it has been murdered, last time I played it was so ass 💀

[unreal nova]

And with your horsedook dodge at 300 ping and increase overhead speed.

VERY FUN.

[warm kettle]

just bring an emotional support ogryn

[vague wigeon]

Well... I also liked old hots more. But we have what we have

Old builds and talent variety...

[warm kettle]

still, cheers for the perspective on the class, my friend bought in so ill try to cover their ass a bit for now

[vague wigeon]

If he will learn to play of melee non-shout vet

[unreal nova]

Just inform them only forceful works atm.

The other two are half broken at best.

And by broken, it's in the BAD way.

[warm kettle]

the unfunctioning way

[vague wigeon]

Then he may consider himself learned how to play melee on everyone.

Because other classes will do only better, lol

[unreal nova]

Naw, psyker melee is spicier.

You miss a crit? You ded.

[vague wigeon]

Psyker is a glass cannon

[safe kestrel]

Oh yea. Ive lost lower havocs because the arbites in team couldn’t figure out they usual methods don’t work on final toll

[unreal nova]

You get hit twice, you ded.

[vague wigeon]

True, but vet isn't much tankier

[safe kestrel]

Vet def isn’t tankier

[vague wigeon]

And also can't do funny shit sparkhead does

[unreal nova]

Vet can eat the same with their face and still live. Backstabs is a different story.

[vague wigeon]

Again I mean non-shout vet

Shout vet is def tankier

[unreal nova]

I know.

You still get infil.

Insta full toughness and supresses staggers.

[vague wigeon]

"Fast as fuck, boiii" ult

[unreal nova]

Exe stance is just, why the kark?

This is melee vet.

[junior grail]

Totally on hopium that new Vet-specific weapons are being made

[unreal nova]

I know. I just reeeeeeeeeeee trying to dodge them. Too used to just bonk heds hee.

[vague wigeon]

I was thinking what this weapon could be and...

Well, let's see

Melta? Too powerful. Out of the question

[unreal nova]

Power fist.

[vague wigeon]

Hellgun? Basically OP recon las. Out of question

[unreal nova]

So I can be like Commissar Raege.

[vague wigeon]

Long-las? Has no niche. Will do the same Jon as helbore. Barely a chance

[unreal nova]

POWER FIST.

[vague wigeon]

Flamer? Makes sense, but it's zealots' unique

What remains?

[unreal nova]

Do not make me fist to your face, bonus with a krak.

[vague wigeon]

Oh! Grenade launcher!

Used by guard and also, in fact, already implemented mechanics-wise

[unreal nova]

Someone is getting 16 kraks to the face.

[tall torrent]

Spinoff power sword with heat meter

It’s in the files

[vague wigeon]

Basically crusher/thammer reskin? Nah

[tall torrent]

Power axe might be duo-class

[safe kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/maya-maia-hee-maia-hoo-maja-hi-maja-hai-meme-dragostea-din-tei-gif-24224000

Never stop dream young one

[tall torrent]

Long las pretty possible

Melta pretty possible

Both are in files anyway

[vague wigeon]

What?

[tall torrent]

Yea lol

[hollow ibex]

In before they’re just fucking with us

[vague wigeon]

Lol what?

[tall torrent]

Nah they just take an awfully long time to make

[vague wigeon]

I mean

[tall torrent]

Yea both melta and longlas are in the files

[hollow ibex]

Too many vacations for Europeans

[tall torrent]

Been there for years

[unreal nova]

I WILL CRUSH YOUR ~~BA-~~SKULL.

[ember nest]

hotshot las I beg for thee to exist

[vague wigeon]

There are people who are already moaning that plasma deals too much damage

Melta is supposed to evaporate anything then

[tall torrent]

The other weapons that were also in the files did eventually get released:
2-handed force sword
2-handed power sword
1-handed power maul

[vague wigeon]

How is it possible to add it without making it shit or OP and make it make sense lore and logic-wise?

It's something near-impossible

[tall torrent]

Low ammo, low range, long reload, low mag size, etc

It’s not hard to balance

[vague wigeon]

Pretty hard

Because there are no targets to use it against

[tall torrent]

For u, yea prob

[vague wigeon]

For you as well, you just don't realize the trouble yet

[junior grail]

I'd like Vet to have an LMG type weapon

[vague wigeon]

Hellgun

It will be OP

[hollow ibex]

Crazy that we don’t

[mortal aspen]

recon is kinda like an lmg

[vague wigeon]

But I really want to see it

[vague wigeon]

This is why I call it "Hellgun at home"

[halcyon sigil]

recon las is basically a hellgun in terms of results, it scares me more than enemy gunners do

[tall torrent]

A gun that does 3-4k damage per shot with super limited range, low mag size, bad ammo Econ and lengthy reload

Sounds pretty fair to me

[hollow ibex]

Sounds fun

[junior grail]

An lmg that I can mount on the ground and go full auto which normally would kick my sights on hipfire

[halcyon sigil]

i wouldnt mind a lasgun that comes with an actual damn scope

[tall torrent]

Yea, tho that rly sounds more like a zealot gun tbh

[mortal aspen]

and it should also spawn sandbag cover around you

[safe kestrel]

But it’s kinda not because it does ass damage on armor which goes against the concept of crew serve weapons

[vague wigeon]

3-4k damage...

And how to you suppose people to use it? Against who?

Against regular enemies?

[tall torrent]

I don’t think that works well for veteran’s intended roles

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/iggyrem-ezefayfer-fayfer-shhh-dont-cry-gif-17469368787637770656

[junior grail]

Dawn of war winter assault is that you?

[tall torrent]

Carapace & unyielding

Mixed horde

[vague wigeon]

There's no need and no use of such weapon vs regular enemies

Only target is bosses

[mortal aspen]

havoc

[safe kestrel]

Stationary mounting? Nah dawg you lost me here

[tame lodge]

Good enough

[vague wigeon]

It could be designed to be boss-killing weapon thos

[tame lodge]

Welcome pack payday 2 lmg

[halcyon sigil]

if vet were to get a new weapon id just want a melta tbh

[junior grail]

Would it be too crazy to have a Boltgun second mark?

[tall torrent]

Idk man a gun that one shots havoc ragers and maulers with 4 shots in the mag but bad handling and ammo sounds fair to me

[halcyon sigil]

armor piercing shotgun flamethrower kinda thingie

[junior grail]

Might be the only time Marksman stacks while stationary can work haha

[vague wigeon]

But it will do too good at killing bosses and people will moan to need it then

[tall torrent]

Ur in for a surprise cuz that’s also in the files

[vague wigeon]

And it will be just shit, lol

[halcyon sigil]

angry plasma that burns out past 15 meters

[tame lodge]

Shotgun if it locked the fuck in

[mortal aspen]

release the files

[unreal nova]

Give it to the bots and they now carry you.

[crisp wraith]

I mean, what would they do? A bolt gun that remains full auto even while aiming down sights?

[unreal nova]

HRM.

[crisp wraith]

Well

[tall torrent]

There’re 2 other plasma gun marks in the files too

[tame lodge]

FS when it comes to put things on the file and rarely use it

[vague wigeon]

Ragers? Bruh, melta should be onetapoing all enemies you have in regular meat grinder

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-dunk-lebron-james-levronjame-gif-1038771198631298897

[junior grail]

Crossbolt for Zealot pls, can copy the Crossbow from VT2 but make it mag-fed

[mortal aspen]

same, but has a scope with zoom and better stability

or something

[vague wigeon]

Otherwise there's no point it adding it or having such restrictions

[tall torrent]

Yea lore and gameplay balance are 2 things

U can make gameplay balance close to lore but if getting it 1:1 sacrifices gameplay I don’t think it’s that great of a decision

Besides having the weapon is better than not having the weapon

[halcyon sigil]

give the ogryn mining power tools

[vague wigeon]

Both bolters and lasguns are pretty much lore accurate even in aurics

Can't say same about stabbers tho

They suffer from game logic

[unreal nova]

Chainsword useless, funni dueling sword pierces even cara.

[vague wigeon]

Plasma is too weak in comparison to lore versions

Because it's literally capable of (light) tank hunting

In lore

[halcyon sigil]

plasma and bolter can already evaporate most things, meltas whole niche is that its far better but only at flamer ranges

[vague wigeon]

Tbh with chain and power weapons issue is that they aren't powered all the time

[long dove]

honestly recon doesn't need it

[unreal nova]

Look at kraks. I still think they need more EXPLOSIVENESS.

[vague wigeon]

When they definitely are in lore

[sonic pecan]

Hellguns. I want a full auto option that slaps harder than the recon las.

[tall torrent]

Currently unreleased weapons that I know of that are in the files

3rd mark of power sword
2 marks of power sword with heat meter mechanic
3rd mark of relic blade
2-handed chainaxe
Melta gun
Longlas
2 marks of 2-handed power axe
3 marks of 2-handed hammer for ogryn
2 additional marks of plasma gun
At least 1 additional mark of spearhead boltgun
At least 1 additional mark of shredder autopistol
3rd mark of heavy laspistol

I don’t remember the rest

[vague wigeon]

These are cumulative grenades

[unreal nova]

Yes, but if it stickies all the time, it might be worse. Stares at a certain chainaxe mark.

[tall torrent]

Exactly so 3-4k damage per shot for melta sounds pretty fair given plasma hipfire and boltgun hit around 1.2-1.4k per shot

[halcyon sigil]

i wasnt thinking of recon so yes i agree

[vague wigeon]

Well, that's the problem of special

You can't leave weapon without one

[long dove]

ah fair. Helbore feels pretty good

[vague wigeon]

Speaking about hellgun

[mortal aspen]

wouldn't that be ludicrously op with weapon specialist and surv aura?

you're basically never reloading

db shotgun on crack

[unreal nova]

I mean, chainaxe still has rev. Is just that one mark stickies on lights.

[halcyon sigil]

misread your initial statement as 4 shots to kill a rager rather than 4 shot magazine

[tall torrent]

Can make it long draw time too

Also melta is not quite like shotgun
When I say super limited range I meant like, past 15m it does 0 damage

[mortal aspen]

yeah I get it

[tall torrent]

Within 15m it does the full 3-4k

[vague wigeon]

Hellgun feature might me not needing to reload

[unreal nova]

You might not get enough ammo in the clip for it. If they use multiple ammo per shot rules.

[vague wigeon]

Just having one big ammo pool in your backpack

[mortal aspen]

DB needs a buff

DB needs to be op

12 stacks of bleed on flechette pls

[tall torrent]

No

It’s one of the most well balanced & designed weapons in the game

[halcyon sigil]

DB can have 3+ shots if you build funny

[mortal aspen]

isn't it a little underpowered?

[tall torrent]

Wat

[mortal aspen]

I'm asking a question

idk

[tall torrent]

With Manstopper?

[mortal aspen]

I use manstopper\flechette, it's good for hordes yeah

[vague wigeon]

I despice it and it's users

[mortal aspen]

kills snipers with bleed

which is neat

[vague wigeon]

Aesthetic reasons

I will use double barrel only if they add hive-ganger class

Tho maybe zealot do also look more or less okay

[tall torrent]

What is balanced to u then

[compact oracle]

double barrel with old man zealot is a great look

scottish zealot voice especially

[vague wigeon]

Yeah

[mortal aspen]

can you run db in high havoc and not be dragging your team down?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

Manstopper moment

[tall torrent]

Yea? It actually enables u to do a pretty specific build

[mortal aspen]

manstopper\flechette? or manstopper\scatter

alright alright, I believe you

[tall torrent]

With flechette

It almost replaces frag grenades in use case

[halcyon sigil]

oh smoke grenade build?

[mortal aspen]

I'm doing good on auric mael, but I'm not confident about it for havoc
I'll queue for H30 tomorrow then xdd

it's just, when there's 10 bulwarks, it doesn't do much

not really good vs bosses either, is it?

[tall torrent]

It’s a mixed horde blender

That’s its job and it does that incredibly well

[unreal nova]

To be fair, what you take depends on your role.

[unreal nova]

That's like saying trauma bad cos suck at bosses.

[halcyon sigil]

havoc works best with people planning roles yeah

atleast thats what ive heard, i dont have people to play havoc with

[mortal aspen]

well, trauma is attached to psyker and db is attached to vet

also most of trauma's damage comes from spreading warpfire afaik

ignoring all the modifiers

pus skin moment

[unreal nova]

Yes, but the idea is roles. You take weapons based out what you set out to be doing. You could go just boss killer and have your teammates deal with chaff.

[vague wigeon]

Final words about new weapons...

I feel like Fatshark was looking into FFG 40k TTRPG rulebooks or similar sources, because I can't help but see similarities.

And weapons for new classes can also be taken from these books.

For example there's "bulldog" heavy stubber for arby, or shotlas for vet, or actual eviscerator for zealot(Current one looks more like heavy chainsword)...

[tall torrent]

DOT is unaffected by pus

[mortal aspen]

let them fix the game first

xdd

[halcyon sigil]

also tbf half of weapon balance is finding good melee weapons to cover the weaknesses

with the DB handling horde clearing something like dueling sword could help you crack tanky things

[mortal aspen]

yeah, I'm thinking of switching from taxe to knife

[mortal aspen]

the armor damage difference is absurd

[unreal nova]

Go heavy las or recon then for infernus.

[mortal aspen]

taxe does fuckall, dagger 3shots crusher

[vague wigeon]

Why would you ever go mk12 now?

[unreal nova]

You go VIc.

[halcyon sigil]

i do like the knife, though keep in mind against a moving crusher you might miss more weakspot hits than youd like

[vague wigeon]

Carbine?

Nah, i don't like it

[unreal nova]

Unless you wanna gamble crits and meme on bosses.

[mortal aspen]

I just want something that does armor damage that isn't DS

[vague wigeon]

Regular lasgun is better ATM even without crits

[mortal aspen]

taxe ain't it

combat axe maybe

[vague wigeon]

Same break points as with heavy one

[halcyon sigil]

i use mk12

[unreal nova]

Heavy las is the fast mark, needs full auto though.

[unreal nova]

Lasgun feels terrible, I rather take the laspistol at that point.

[vague wigeon]

Tho I saw some weirdo still running mk12 with opening salvo and sustained fire

Like, okay

[unreal nova]

Even if I don't mod and will kill my finger.

[vague wigeon]

Solid gun

For first 4 shots

[vague wigeon]

I got used. It's more or less okay

Except for the carbine

[mortal aspen]

inf lasgun is my top1 hated weapon in the game probably

it's so ass

[unreal nova]

It just uses more ammo to deal with specials and elites if you don't let them burn out.

[vague wigeon]

O don't set it point besides mobility

Yeah, you run fast and Dodge far

[unreal nova]

But letting a trapper live for a sec or two can mean a wipe.

[vague wigeon]

But lascarbine's damage is shit

Two tapping Gunner's head eben with crit

[halcyon sigil]

oh wait were we talking recon las or infantry, mightve mixed my numerals

[vague wigeon]

Even lasgun's feature called "just shoot again bro" can help

Because you will have to shoot everything against

[unreal nova]

It is inf las and chainsword, reasons to encourage someone to throw their controller or mouse at the screen.

[mortal aspen]

nah, chainsword is fun to use

inf las is ass to use

[vague wigeon]

And it you don't want to use lascarbine with weakspot crits then...

[unreal nova]

Chainsword just does nothing.

[vague wigeon]

...pick another weapon lmao

[tall torrent]

Learn power sword VI

[mortal aspen]

no

[halcyon sigil]

i use the heavy infantry las, so long as my aim isnt cooked its pretty satisfying

[tall torrent]

It’s the best scaling vet melee across all difficulties

[mortal aspen]

I don't want to press special every 3 attacks

[compact oracle]

recon lasgun is balling

[karmic goblet]

How would a hive-ganger class even work

[vague wigeon]

Power sword mk3?

[karmic goblet]

Hive-ganger class to me is just another version of the veteran

[compact oracle]

i can just shoot whatever whenever i want

[vague wigeon]

Be a gigachad, use original power sword

[karmic goblet]

There's a company veteran, the inquisitorial soldier, and then hivescum outfit wise

[mortal aspen]

vet only has 1 power sword

and it's ass to use

[halcyon sigil]

best i could think of for hive ganger is some kind of hive guide class... but then the abilities feel like theyd just be stealth vet

[tall torrent]

There’re 2 marks

[unreal nova]

I'm saying recon VIc is the mark you want for havoc. XII is only for magdumping bosses. Pointless for elites/specials since you need to magdump to kill if you can't wait for burn out, so horrible ammo economy.

[compact oracle]

the first one doesnt exist

[vague wigeon]

It fact, it's better that new one it you are okay with makes one more hit to crushers from time to time

[vague wigeon]

It does

[mortal aspen]

is the other mark also about spamming special?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[mortal aspen]

oof

[vague wigeon]

Agolity-focused gunslinger class with dual wielding

[tall torrent]

Power sword VI is almost always a straight upgrade over III

[halcyon sigil]

yeah i thought you were talking infantry las lol, that said iirc the heavy recon does have cleave against hordes... doesnt really save it but still

[compact oracle]

yeah theres no reason to use unpowered power sword

[vague wigeon]

In terms of solo target damage*

[mortal aspen]

most fun weapon I've used so far is psyker greatsword

it's relic blade if it wasn't slow as shit

[tall torrent]

Nah, in terms of like everything lol

[unreal nova]

The cleave in havoc does nothing. You are basically paying 2 ammo for 1.5x damage.

[vague wigeon]

Nah, nonly in terms of killing crushee with 2 strikes

Anyway

[compact oracle]

power sword doesnt need to be better at horde clear

activate and do lights and everythings dead

[hearty panther]

mk6 is literally the 'boy your gf told you not to worry about'

[tall torrent]

Mk6 is still a little ahead of mk3 in horde clear

It’s like 5% better horde clear lol

[halcyon sigil]

i only do up to maelstrom, not comfortable joining random havoc teams

[ember nest]

I don't think there's a single thing mk3 has over 6

[unreal nova]

Still sounds like knoife here.

[ember nest]

is there?

[vague wigeon]

Be a gigachad, run original (tm) psword with sunder, play psword like it should be

[unreal nova]

The brown mark is fine in aurics. Just don't in high havocs. You can see why.

[vague wigeon]

With "infinite cleave" and multiple powered strikes

[tall torrent]

Sunder +20% heavy atk damage with III’s heavy attacks which are angled better than VI’s

And III can activate without cancelling sprint, but VI can activate faster with block cancel which III does not have

[compact oracle]

oh boy more cleave on my infinite cleave weapon

[tall torrent]

Sunder is not infinite cleave either

Power sword is not infinite cleave

[vague wigeon]

Tbh mk6 doesn't have anything over mk3 besides push attack

[tall torrent]

It’s 10.9 on a optimal roll

[compact oracle]

saying infinite cleave is snappier than "10.9"

[vague wigeon]

Mk3 has better moveset, and activation speed

[tall torrent]

Pretty big difference between 10.9 and infinite cleave

[mortal aspen]

if you're doing maelstrom you can do havoc 15-20

[tall torrent]

10.9 hits like up to 9 guys

Infinite can hit up to 128

[vague wigeon]

This is shy it "infinite cleave", not infinite cleave

Tho PS should have infinite cleave

Post release nerfs were undeserved

[unreal nova]

Up to 25, if you are carrying maels to a degree.

[mortal aspen]

eh, I'd say 22 and over is harder

but 1-15 is malice-heresy level

[vague wigeon]

Alright, imma heading out

Behave, bois

[unreal nova]

25+ is when it's straight up harder.

[mortal aspen]

I thought it was 22 when it switches to damnation\auric numbers

[tall torrent]

1-10 is malice
11-20 is heresy
21-40 is damnation

[unreal nova]

1-20. Malice/Heresy. 21 is Damn.

I assumed they meant auric maels.

Which is around the 25~ mark.

[mortal aspen]

nah, auric mael is easier than h25 by a lot

imo

[unreal nova]

Well, skip to 26, tbh. 25 is harder than 26.

[mortal aspen]

auric may sometimes be harder because you sometimes get some awful teammates with 3 wounds who refuse to move for minutes

[unreal nova]

Because extra modifier imo.

[hearty panther]

depends on the maelstrom

some are literally dogs + free cooldown reduction which is a joke

[mortal aspen]

also true

[hearty panther]

and then others are all armored monstro specials nurgle blessed no ammo balls in a vice go fuck yourself

[tame lodge]

There's a maelstrom that isn't working as it should

[mortal aspen]

3VEG is probably the most similar

[tame lodge]

So it's just walking simulator

[hearty panther]

is that the corr over time one?

[brittle cape]

i know this is kinda late to the party, but how are the devil claws after the patch? anything new or the same as before?

[hearty panther]

theyre better and ultimately the same

[unreal nova]

Just meh.

[tame lodge]

Yup

[brittle cape]

sadge,

[tame lodge]

They still shit

[unreal nova]

They failed to buff what the weapon needed.

[tame lodge]

Unfortunately

[brittle cape]

so still heavy sword > catachan

[unreal nova]

Slightly better adm.

[brittle cape]

[calm shard]

same as before because fatshark refuses to acknowledge the thing that makes them bad

[tame lodge]

Like legit it needs a buff to flak damage and flak cleave damage distribution

[tall torrent]

Depends on the maelstrom modifiers

[shrewd flax]

what is the most powerful vet build? i suppose it uses either the plasma gun or the big bolter?

[tame lodge]

Atp FS buffed everything about it, so when they buff the flak damage it'll break the game

[tall torrent]

Battle of mid

[mortal aspen]

Heavy sword armor damage is sad

[safe kestrel]

This makes a lot more sense seeing the random empty one pop up

[tall torrent]

Base game? Power sword + revolver

[brittle cape]

still better than devil claws tho right

[tall torrent]

Havoc? Depends on what u prefer

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s still a very substantial improvement over 66 damage on flak weakspot vs 2nd target

[tame lodge]

Not really

Heavy Sword can't deal with Carapace

Dclaw can't deal with flak

[mortal aspen]

heavy sword does exactly 0 damage vs armor

[tall torrent]

Just slow

[tame lodge]

💀

[safe kestrel]

Also agree that maelstrom is easier than havoc 25. On paper they might be identical possibly but doesn’t play out the same

[tall torrent]

They’re not identical

[brittle cape]

see now youve got me in a conundrum

[tall torrent]

Havoc has a bunch of additional spawn modifiers

[tame lodge]

Yeah but we are not going to say that every weapon can deal with Carapace type beat

[safe kestrel]

I wouldn’t think so either

[tame lodge]

💀

[tall torrent]

Heavy sword still kills carapace better than DC sword does

[safe kestrel]

I was being more hypothetical my bad

[tall torrent]

Usually

[tame lodge]

Even with Parry?

[brittle cape]

i want a reliable melee that aint dueling or power sword , hence why i asked the initial question

[tall torrent]

Parry uppercut into like 800 damage on a weakspot

Ur still taking ages to kill one

U need big rending bonus

[safe kestrel]

Ironic name ass sword

[tame lodge]

And the only rending blessing on Hsword can't be procced against Carapace by the usual means

https://tenor.com/view/travis-scott-travis-scott-apology-travis-astroworld-gif-23723017

[tall torrent]

Talents

DC sword without FotF takes ages to kill crusher

[brittle cape]

so whats the verdict
heavy mark vs devil mark

[tame lodge]

Just go heavy sword

[brittle cape]

im lost at what to pick

[tame lodge]

Kills everything short of carapace

At a reasonable time

[brittle cape]

mk9 ya?

[tame lodge]

Yup

[brittle cape]

perks and blessings?

[tame lodge]

Just bring a Zarona revolver or bolter to deal with Carapace

[unreal nova]

DC is only parry memes.

[tame lodge]

Flak Maniacs
Deathblow Headtaker

Yeah I think those are the perks

[brittle cape]

ight thanks, ill build that

[tame lodge]

I never remember the perks

[brittle cape]

🙏

[tame lodge]

🫡

[ocean swallow]

Dagger, achyls combat axe, tac axes

[tall torrent]

Just take heavy sword

[ocean swallow]

All good

[tall torrent]

Or better yet use smth else

[tame lodge]

Rare achlys axe mention

[brittle cape]

i overused and abused already, trying something new yanno

[hearty panther]

idk dclaw still fun

[brittle cape]

ya just wanted to see if it changed in any meaningful way

[tall torrent]

Yes
Just not meaningful enough

[safe kestrel]

So since you talked about niches of weapons, shouldn’t tumbler just get outright removed? It’s the gun that tries to do everything at the same time

[brittle cape]

tumbler

[safe kestrel]

Bumbler

[brittle cape]

love that

[mortal aspen]

the what

[safe kestrel]

The rumbler

[brittle cape]

kickler

[hearty panther]

i mean you cant rumbler a sniper 80m out but that rarely comes up

[brittle cape]

friendly rock can try

[tame lodge]

It doesn't try
It does everything

[hearty panther]

rawk to da faec

[tame lodge]

rock. ROCK!

[mortal aspen]

AoE brittle with a double proc on primary target should probably be looked at

among other things xdd

[safe kestrel]

Yea but why bother when you just burned through ten shells to clear a spot where sniper can’t snipey?

Rumbler ogryn going down in havoc 18

[brittle cape]

big bolty or baby bolty?

[mortal aspen]

he forgor he has to melee sometimes too

[brittle cape]

theyre "learning" the class

[safe kestrel]

Calling out his ammo count the whole game

💀 💀 💀

[safe kestrel]

I started a thing @unreal nova

[brittle cape]

gonna know which space marine 2 build im using yanno

[unreal nova]

Is Bistol.

[safe kestrel]

Is babby bolty

[unreal nova]

BISTOL.

[safe kestrel]

BABBY

[unreal nova]

DO YOU WANT MY (POWER) FIST TO YOUR FACE?! IS BISTOL.

[safe kestrel]

DONT KRAKS ME BRO! 😭

[unreal nova]

16 KRAKS.

[safe kestrel]

Donzo

@unreal nova feeling painless today? Best wishes on recovery from ailment

[unreal nova]

Punching things help, you know.

[safe kestrel]

Hopefully you’re maintaining well tho

[unreal nova]

But seriously, natural painkillers kicked in, meh. Back to 4/10.

[unreal nova]

Is like waves or well, red rage. When it happens... yeah. GL if they both happen at the same time.

[safe kestrel]

I’m sorry fren

[unreal nova]

Eh, is what it is. Used to it so, heh. Still refusing to die.

[red fox]

IRL gold toughness

[safe kestrel]

I hear that. Fight on

[unreal nova]

No, I meant the nerves.

[safe kestrel]

Oh that’s horrible I’m sorry

[unreal nova]

Is like, you want them to die to save money but rejected.

Feels like anything I want just won't happen tbh.

But anyway, BISTOL.

[past stratus]

BISTOL

[pliant stag]

Costco

[unreal nova]

Is this some weird new bot?

[honest quiver]

all he said was costco

[past stratus]

costco

[honest quiver]

sahgress bot

[rigid pilot]

Costco psyop

[pliant stag]

bot?

Nah

Costco

[rigid pilot]

Nah

[pliant stag]

ye.

Costco.

there’s a Walmart too.

And a wall greens

[rigid pilot]

What's walmart

[pliant stag]

Walmart?

Walmart is a store.

Walmart is my underling

[rigid pilot]

I saw Ryan Gosling at a Walmart in Los Angeles yesterday

[pliant stag]

ok

Costco

You know who i saw at Walmart yesterday?

Walmart.

[honest quiver]

fucked up

[hearty panther]

hey can anyone help me find a massive bulk purchase of cheerios, im talking like a pallet load, maybe even at a discount, i really just cannot think of a place that could carry such a product

[safe kestrel]

3/4 of it will mold before you even get through it

What could a man do with so much Cheerios? Feed elephants?

[unreal nova]

Yes, a Costco ad bot.

[honest quiver]

yeah because costco needs to advertise in the darktide discord server. business is just that slow

[sonic pecan]

Pack of 4*8 = 32 which is a little over a pallet's worth

https://retrosmarket.com/products/b00469rcc0?variant=48240575840489&_gsid=sKdXxAuwN7N7

[honest quiver]

it's just someone being silly, relax

[rigid pilot]

What if I was the bot all this time

[past stratus]

dead internet theory dictates that 48% of you are not real

raise your hand if you're a bot

[rigid pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/imposter-tf2-it-could-be-you-it-could-be-me-spy-gif-23428031

[honest quiver]

that was mean i'm sorry 😔

im a robot 🖐️

[tribal flax]

Guys what’s the best veteran build for havoc?

[unreal nova]

I'm shocked. So slow they came to the dead class mains to get ppl shop there.

[honest quiver]

see based off of my previous interactions with you i can't tell if you picked up on my sarcasm or you actually think i was serious

[unreal nova]

I mean, it's probably more now since AI chat bots roam.

[unreal nova]

More former. A bot would have gone full advert, right? That's just weird ARG feel than adbot.

[past stratus]

Are you not real Karien 😵‍💫

[honest quiver]

wouldn't be surprising

[midnight totem]

good lord

something is in the water recently, just met this absolutely dumb psyker and arbiter

[unreal nova]

I mean, some ppl ask me things they should just use Google for. So, I just know I am real.

[midnight totem]

auric histg , bitching and moaning the entire time, they died right before the event in the jail assassination mission

we had a beast of nurgle

I run ahead, hit the light switch, go pick up their asses while they're bitching about "look at this guy, he's running ahead doing his own thing"

and I'm like "Yeah, cause you're fucking dead and I'm trying to revive you."

Didn't want to fight the beast downstairs with a horde and a daemonhhost

[past stratus]

I believe it, a bot wouldn't program itself to have awful luck 😔

[unreal nova]

You just get ppl hot off op arby. Now not able to deal with fixes that nerfed the class hard and 2 broken (not working) keystones.

[unreal nova]

When it goes negative enough, maybe interger overflow might happen someday?

[midnight totem]

fresh rejects to add to my blocklist

[unreal nova]

Some ppl just understand if I have to ignore and try at the next spot especially if I'm forcing the speedrun strat to keep things behind me so I can try at the next.

Some complain and ragequit.

[sonic pecan]

Any tricks to speed up killshot ready penance in terms of weapons or talent picks?

[unreal nova]

MMF? Crouch melee mercantile kitchen for 30-45 mins.

[past stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[livid hill]

how do we feel about chainsword and bolt pistol on vet

i wanna do a counterfit commissar cosplay

but i really dont like the power sword

[unreal nova]

Also, my lil princess floofball named Carrot is goofing.

[unreal nova]

You know anything works in Auric. I run it with knoife.

[livid hill]

honestly i feel like discord has a lower number of robots just cause you need to be invited and afaik there arent any chatbots that are smart enough to pass the turing test to a savy internet goer

[livid hill]

I know, just want tips or thoughts if anyone has any

[rigid pilot]

Goggito, ergo sum

[tame lodge]

Bro thinks

Point and Laugh

[unreal nova]

Not if public or discoverable.

[unreal nova]

You are just gonna cry at armour then.

Bistol is 7 shots to kill crushers.

[tall torrent]

Chainsword - mid at best
Boltpistol - ok

[unreal nova]

Chainsword vs crushers is...

[rigid pilot]

Chainsword doesn't feel fun for me

Spamming m1 and not having proper elite combos guh

Also the special is sad

[tame lodge]

"Wanna hear a joke? Superman vs Harlequin"

Or something along those lines

[hollow ibex]

It does tbf have proper combos

[ionic hull]

has anyone ever used exe stance for havoc 40 to any success or am i chasing a fairytale?

[rigid pilot]

I labbed in the psyk and my conclusion is just spam M1 harder

[hollow ibex]

Most people just light spam

[rigid pilot]

You probably hit more elites that way anyway

[hollow ibex]

On arbi the proper combos does help

[tame lodge]

Be the legend

[rigid pilot]

You can't reach one hit BPs on gunners

[hollow ibex]

Prob doesn’t matter much on vet

[tame lodge]

[unreal nova]

Ask @steep flower , he did it last season anyway.

[ionic hull]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

kinda vibe im getting here

[flint lake]

Unironically, Harley Quinn would have a good shot at killing Superman for the same reasons the joker might except, depending on the iteration of her character, she’d be willing to kill herself trying to destroy Superman. Joker and Lex would never dream of purposely killing themselves to take their advisory down with them but Harley is selfless enough that she’d do it and because the perceived gap in their power levels are so wide, Superman is very likely to greatly underestimate her giving her the opportunity to catch him flat footed.

[past stratus]

cute doggy

also there is probably someone out there that did H40 with Exe stance, some fellas out there just play H40 nothing else, they probably beat that shit with every build

[ionic hull]

its been awhile since i rebuilt my vet for super late game what are the must have points now? from what im seeing on other builds seems like msot of thme use Iron Will Tactical awareness and demo team or a combo of the three

gonna grind havocs lol

[flint lake]

Harley is also surprisingly cunning and resourceful. If she wanted a kryptonite nuke, she’d find a way.

[uneven cedar]

99% sure they were talking about 40k Harlequins by the by.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah those are super important

And voice of command

There’s basically one meta build for havoc

[ionic hull]

i knew VoC was a must have lol its stronk

[flint lake]

Oh, then harlequins hands down. Those fucks are OP as hell and assuming Superman does have the Eldar codex open on his knee, they’d easily take him by surprise and phantom zone his ass before he knew who they were or their intentions.

[ionic hull]

how does the boltgun/plasma fair in havoc? useable or trash tier? i havent geared up for havoc if you guys couldnt tell lol im an auric player at heart so never really delved into havoc till now

[past stratus]

plasma is meta

[hollow ibex]

Both very strong still

[past stratus]

I think Boltgun doesn't do too hot because of Havoc ammo thing, right?

[hollow ibex]

Plasma is prob more meta tho

[hollow ibex]

Will depend on the team yeah

[ionic hull]

i heard that plasma was meta af and i love the thing so ok totally ok with that

the meta blitz is shredder nades yea?

[hollow ibex]

Yes

[ionic hull]

heard alot of talk about shredders VoC and the target keystone

[rigid pilot]

Does bolter still hit one shot BPs on elites?

Shredder...?

[hollow ibex]

Would think so with pinning fire on human elites but I haven’t tested

[rigid pilot]

Who's using shredder in havocs

[hollow ibex]

The grenade I assume

[rigid pilot]

Oh

[ionic hull]

frag nade

[hollow ibex]

Not the pistol

Good gun but wouldn’t take it into havoc probably

Unless I don’t need to use gun much

[ionic hull]

prenerf auto pistol+Pinning Fire would be baller in havoc i assume

[unreal nova]

But while you can, will take forever. So... xD

[unreal nova]

Yeah, she's a goof.

[unreal nova]

Ask @grizzled pebble lul.

Though he is spamming Arby nowadays lul.

[ionic hull]

my current setup CnC would be nice for havoc in mind pretty please i dont wanna walk in underbuilt lol

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f68bec6-0800-4695-80ae-d359cd8eec7e/current-2?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[past stratus]

the devil claw is sadly not very good since it doesn't do much against flak

and there is so much flak

[ionic hull]

alright so either power sword or heavy sword then? or just power sowrd cause it solves all problems

[past stratus]

huh, out of the nodes you put into Focus Target the only one I like is the toughness one

[rigid pilot]

Powersword brrr

[past stratus]

Determined is pretty useless too

[ionic hull]

from my understanding of focus target each stack gives the buffs from Redirect fire past the original 5

[hollow ibex]

Psword is meta

[past stratus]

this is what I think is good for talents nowadays

[ionic hull]

Psword always will be meta

[hollow ibex]

Redirect fire is also pretty important. And demo stockpile is mandatory for havoc

[past stratus]

I'm a big One Motion guy because it makes grenades smoother to use

[hollow ibex]

Hard to have points for everything though

[unreal nova]

If you aren't stupidly standing infront of shooters, it's useless.

If you are... hurp. Uprising maybe?

[ionic hull]

aye id love to be able to have exhilerating takedown and confirmed kill but dont have the points for both but if one motion and outfor blood are that good i think i should switch it up

[past stratus]

I think most people like the center path too but I just think One Motion is stupidly good, it's weird to play without it

but with the power sword you could skip Trench Fighter I think

and go Demo team

[ionic hull]

i like determined because i ads'd alot with the other guns i use like the lasguns and being supressed sucks so its more of a crutch perk for me lol

[barren nimbus]

The game is fun again with no arbites

[ionic hull]

aye i enjoy the middle and left trees myself mostly because i like using my guns lol

[unreal nova]

The best parts are broken.

[ionic hull]

from what i hear havoc is filled with melee focus

[past stratus]

I think this game in general

after Heresy you should spend more time with your melee weapon than your ranged weapon

unless you have a solid team and is using the Helbore

[ionic hull]

yea i think thats why one motion feels the best now that im thinking about it alot of builds have One motion and out for blood One motion could be because of the quick swapy nature of havoc

but i dunno i havent delved into havoc very much

other then that seems the vet meta hasnt really changed still Psword and plasma for general usage or some kinda specialist setup

[past stratus]

idk much about high havoc but Vet is basically

• Shout on Cooldown
• Use your grenades
• Try to pick dangerous baddies with your gun

while keeping in mind that you're made of paper

[ionic hull]

ive already made peace with my papery body getting looked at funny and exploding is the story of my vets life

[split root]

For once I'm not mad at using vet in damnation, after switching some nodes on the talent tree

AND the spearhead boltgun, that is

[ionic hull]

love my bulbgun tbh

[split root]

It's such a great weapon, I also love the sound of the gun reloading

I pair it with a chainsword as my melee

[unreal nova]

Bistol gud.

[ionic hull]

Devil Claw with the boltgun i love the parry on the DC and the animations of the boltgun along with the sounds are just MMMPH good shit

lol

[split root]

It's even better when you know how to control the boltgun's recoil while you're aiming

Not when you can fire it in full auto, that's just "fuck everything in front of me without aiming" lmao

Well, unless you have crushers in front of you

[barren girder]

what gun options have good performance against carapace again? XIV helbore, bistol and bolter, revolvers - am i missing anything?

ik plasma gun can do it but it's not exactly ammo sustainable past a certain difficulty iirc

[unreal nova]

Bistol isn't good. 7 shots lul.

[split root]

Yeah, plasma gun doesn't carry a lot of ammo, and it's even worse when you're in a horde without any ammo for it

[barren girder]

oh fucking rip

i just assumed bc also bolt weapon LOL

[unreal nova]

It is breakpoint issues, the gun.

You just use it for beeg BOOMS.

[split root]

And if that isn't enough boom, just add in some grenades!

But never, NEVER, add an ogryn's grenade box. It destroys my fps so much ;-;

[unreal nova]

Nu, the 'nades are the beeg boom.

[barren girder]

lol i was actually looking for a good weap to pair w/ heavy sword

since that can handle most of the elites but carapace

[tame lodge]

If you get Onslaught..........

[split root]

I run the boltgun for pretty much everything

[barren girder]

im ngl i am in the vet channel asking for my zealot LMFAO

[split root]

Lmao

[barren girder]

i just figured people here had more gun knowledge

[unreal nova]

Explains why no field improv in the wild nowadays.

[barren girder]

i love the power sword too much to use anything else

on vet

[split root]

I personally love the chainsword, because you can rev it! >:D

[barren girder]

but i did play heavy sword on my vet before i got a good power sword and i remember enjoying it more than dclaws and combat axe

[split root]

I don't really like the axe, it's way too slow for my liking

[ionic hull]

Claw sword best sword imo idc what anyone says for as much as i love ripping through hordes with the psword the claw has my heart

parrying a group of ragers and killing them all in 2 swings on damn will never not be satisficing for me

[split root]

I wouldn't mind having you on my strike team, you don't know how many times I've been ambushed by those god damned ragers ;-;

I really wish we'd get some kind of sniper or something like that, because the only weapon we have with a scope are the lasguns

Unless I'm forgetting any other weapon with scopes

[umbral scaffold]

I find combat axe is quite good. It can handle just about any situation, but it’s still risky on vet I find, compared to other weapons.

I prefer it over combat knife though for vet by a mile

[ionic hull]

lasguns are the only ones with actual scopes but the laspistols have a holosight

id love to have a longlas or scopes added to the helbornes

[unreal nova]

Why laspistols better.

[split root]

I wouldn't mind having some kind of helbore sniper honestly

To teach those heretic snipers a lesson

You all know they love to hide in places we can't reach

[unreal nova]

I wish doggos can still chase.

Though frag boom... heh.

[umbral scaffold]

Just play zealot and throw knives to snipe snipers. They work wonders

[split root]

Guess I gotta give that a try then, I normally try to snipe them with my boltgun lmao

[umbral scaffold]

The sad part is, it’s actually true. Lol

[ionic hull]

i LOVE sniping snipers with the slug shotty

across the map headshot from the shotgun always felt good

[split root]

True

[umbral scaffold]

Especially so with the new exterminator shotgun, MK8 I think it is.

The single target one. It’s insane how accurate it is.

[ionic hull]

oh yea those shotguns are TERRIFYING at long range

[unreal nova]

To be fair, min pellet rules.

2 shots will kill at worst case.

[split root]

It also hits like a truck, yeah

[ionic hull]

both of those shotguns are freight trains to be fair

[split root]

Yeah, and both are for different purposes

[ionic hull]

castigator up and just walk

[rigid pilot]

Min pellets and like close to no ranged falloff

[split root]

They are amazing at sniping

[rigid pilot]

And best part, no dummy ADS

[split root]

The mk8, that is

[unreal nova]

And then the shotpistol feels gimped. Lul.

[covert dagger]

I like a "higher caliber" Shredder

Better ammo usage, but it shreds crowds.

[umbral scaffold]

That’s my arbites build. Castigator stance with ranged for shotgun.

Laugh as one shot into a patrol of gunners kills like 4-6 👀

[ionic hull]

yeeeeeep i love castigators for that

i personally use a braced auto for my setup cause thats the closest imma get to having a helgun/lmg

[rigid pilot]

Shot pistol is still really good and consistent

1-2 shot most specials is hard to beat

Lmg only for ogryns

[covert dagger]

I just like keeping the block fodder in line.

'

[umbral scaffold]

I used brauto on my vet. By far my fav gun! It just does it all, except crushers, but there’s lots of ways to deal with that

[woeful raven]

Day 1 million still no bolt sniper or laz fusil for veteran.

[rigid pilot]

Still no force greats- oh wait

[past stratus]

isn't a las fusil just a Helbore?

[ionic hull]

mildly hot take: the plasma gun is balanced right now

[trim badger]

Depends on what we define as balanced

Unless you mean it's "fair"

[ionic hull]

from what ive played which is everything prehavoc ive never felt that the power of the plasma --even before the infinite cleave buff-- was bad in anyway

its always felt good to me in terms of dps and general strength

[trim badger]

I guess it is in a similar boat than recon

Where their benefits are a lot better in havoc

[ionic hull]

yep like the plasma prehavoc is decent but not overpowered in such a way that felt like must pick because of what it could do at least imo the plasma is on the same footing as the boltgun and lasguns can do the job it was designed for

not an abdolute must have but not a unbalanced slog that literally kills you when you pick it up

[trim badger]

It wasn't a must have because of the difficulty not because the others were as good in those settings tho

[ionic hull]

now i dunno how it plays in high havoc cause i barely got passed 20 but i can see why its so good

[trim badger]

Reminder that pre havoc plasma users killed even carapace with it

No need to save ammo or anything with how abundant it is

And it did insanely fast due to no havoc +50% elite hp modifier

[ionic hull]

yea thats fair, imo thats more of a general weapon balance issue then the plasma itself looking at the shredder pistol fiasco a while back

[trim badger]

Plasma is undoubtly the best vet weapon

Havoc, outside of havoc

It's not gonna be the Best at everything but it's the Best at most things

[ionic hull]

oh yea no doubt from me on that one but prehavoc you can bring the bolter you can bring the shotguns and laspistol

[trim badger]

Can it really be considered balanced if that's the criteria tho

[ionic hull]

in low havocs to a degree too but those weapon choices have to be perfectly optimised from what im playing and seeing and the plasma does that on the basae level without the optimations which is why i personally call it balanced

[ionic hull]

well for as much as i want to say yes i cant because of the stats and usage of other weapons from what i remember the flamer for zealots was/is still is a meme teir weapon for prehavoc but freaking amazing in mid to high havoc given its horde clearing

[unreal nova]

Is like flamer and inferno staff. They are meh in aurics, just too good in havoc.

Like, you could still use them, they just don't feel good till you get the absolute bs havoc is.

[ionic hull]

same with the rumbler it went from "why use this?" to "must use" in havoc because of the things it does not just cause of the weapon itself the plasma has 100% cleave on everything so its mid in auric where the amount of dudes isnt very much compared to havoc so 90% of that cleave is wasted

thats why i think the plasma is balanced the way it is

its got a niche for super high level play and usable in lower difficulty games where its compareable to other weapons

[unreal nova]

Rumbler mostly just needs a blessing fix. You know which one.

It takes it from strong to busted.

[ionic hull]

same with the shredder autopistol and pinning fire from awhile ago

did more dps then the damn boltgun with the same set up

[unreal nova]

The brittle works on the explosion, which makes the next blast even stronger. Supposed to be only on the direct impact of 'nade.

They just need to fix boxes causing stutters and well, that build that pisses everyone who isn't using it off wouldn't be that bad.

[ionic hull]

yeeeep such is the life of buffs and nerfs though lol i remember the dclaw swords being shite and now they're at least a viablie option for low/mid havoc

least thats what ive beren using since my psword isnt perfect but my claw is lol

ive only done up to havoc 20 so far so

my personal experience isnt very much with the meta for super late game

[unreal nova]

As long it's not mobians.

DC flak adm lul.

[ionic hull]

hey my sword is bent to shit but at least they're dead

blunt force trauma is strill trauma after all

[unreal nova]

I guess it's still a metal club at the end of the day, RIGHT?

[ionic hull]

exactly

[unreal nova]

To be fair, only gotta worry at high havocs. You will die if you can't kill fast enough basically.

[grizzled pebble]

WHAT?!

[unreal nova]

You ran around with Bistol chucking frags in high havocs before, they asked for ppl who did it.

[grizzled pebble]

Ye sure it's op

[rigid pilot]

Not bistol

SAP

[unreal nova]

WHO IN THE RIGHT MIND BRINGS THAT ON VET TO HAVOCS?

[rigid pilot]

I was asking

And then you tagged agent

And then no they were talking about shredder grenade

It's just like 3 different misunderstandings mixed together don't worry

[unreal nova]

I think FS needs clearer naming schemes... Stares at the renames. NVM.

[rigid pilot]

Honestly idk how you got bistol from shredder

[unreal nova]

Shredder frags.

Which you would take Bistol for.

[rigid pilot]

Fair

[unreal nova]

And you know. I like the frag Bistol thing.

[ionic trail]

i'm trying out a grenadier build and decided "it would be so fucking funny if I made him look like just some dude..."

"Look buddy, I'm just the janitor..."

[hollow ibex]

all my shooter builds are dressed like hobos

[unreal nova]

Who just pulls out 'nades?

[ionic trail]

the imperium would be the type of crazy that the janitor's job description is accomplished by throwing grenades at the problem (heretic filth) until it goes away, tbh

that was what made it so funny to me though

He's the janitor, and for his W special he pulls out live explosives

[stiff glacier]

Janitor theres filthy mutant in the vent

Yeets frag

[ionic trail]

same energy

[stiff glacier]

Akimbo laspistols when

[ionic trail]

that would go so hard tho

[stiff glacier]

Akimbo laspistols with desperado and infernus

[unreal forge]

I think it's closer to "balance" than people imply it is

I just want the secondary fire to have use

plasma gun being the best gun just makes sense. It's a plasma gun, a class exclusive and classic staple of Warhammer

the secondary fire being worse than primary fire to the point of being a detriment in DPS and ammo economy is stupid!!!

[shy oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxhFO714w1w

sorry for low quality

me knife vs 3 plague ogryns 1 chaos spawn 1 bon auric ofc

[mortal aspen]

disgusting exploit abuse smh mh

[steep flower]

It does? It does alot of dmg

[safe kestrel]

Nah those goes hard as shit

[dense river]

Any advice for a rookie veteran? I am struggling to beat the karking campaign because there are no players and the AI always does dumb stuff. I was initially using a infantry lasgun but I switched to a bolt pistol and I am now much happier.

[normal bay]

I didn't realise hellbore IV has half decent sights. This thing fucks

[steep flower]

Oh btw man; i wanted to show ya that paul build for oggy quite some time ago; maybe tonight me & you will have time?

[topaz lance]

The bots stay near you so they give you the coherency TDR at least

[dense river]

Yeahs thats a big help but if I get downed and theres some chaff enemies instead of killing them they rush to revive me and before I know it the whole team is dead

[steep flower]

Its pretty standard stuff; always be aware, utilize moveset of melee weapons to its fullest (aka get a muscle memory of a horde clear combo & single target one), micromanage your rezources (ammo, stimms, med & ammo crates), stick to your team, don’t rush ahead, scavenge the map for rezources & learn their spawn points (many ppl do not & complain that they lack ammo for example)

[steep flower]

That is useless tho (nvm i read toughness coherency regen… i’m too tired…)

[topaz lance]

Less useless than people running ahead and getting trapped 🤷‍♂️ Close Order Drill is a strong talent.

[steep flower]

Check the message again

[olive halo]

Im thinking of running weapon specialist with chainaxe and combat shotty

am I cooking or cooked

[midnight wyvern]

Medium cooked

Chaxe is your downfall

[olive halo]

is actually that bad?

cuz Ive been using power sword with power cycler 4 and the constant need to use the special attack is the worst

[normal bay]

Possibly, depends when tonight is for you? Lol

[steep flower]

Man i wanna show ya it is not

[steep flower]

No its not; mah boi does not know how 2 use and/or how 2 build one and now is biased (no offense)

[steep flower]

I don’t use WS with such weapons; too much point tax… and technically right side is not needed for such a setup

[steep flower]

Now for me it’s 11.17am; will be home in 9h for sure… i think

[midnight wyvern]

do it

[steep flower]

Tonight? As i typed above its 9h from now on

[olive halo]

I was thinking there's no way lol

it seemed so nice when I tried it out

granted it wasnt havoc (never played it yet), but it looks and feels nice

w/ power sword i kept getting hit each time I wanted to activate it

[steep flower]

Even in havoc its potent (i only base my opinions on things through effectiveness in havoc)

[olive halo]

yeah I know most ppl here do, its why I had to add that line in

[dense river]

Gotcha I noticed I had much better luck with lighter melee that cuts up chaff than heavy stuff but then I really struggle with armoed enemies up close

[midnight wyvern]

Unless it's been buffed alot since I last used it, it was very mediocre then, and I know alot of people share in the opinion of its mediocrity

[olive halo]

plus the universe was literally telling me to use it, rolled defenses 60 on the first purchase

[midnight wyvern]

I am also willing to be wrong so

[normal bay]

Sometimes have a gaming session with some mates around that time on Thurs but they've been rare of late. Ping me and I'll see if I'm free

[midnight wyvern]

I await the chain axing

[olive halo]

wdym?

which side would you go with, middle?

[steep flower]

Tonight i shall show ya what chainaxe can do

[steep flower]

Will do

[steep flower]

Mobility dump is better

[olive halo]

ah is it actually

aw man gotta spend another 150k rolling 😭

[normal bay]

I see the servers are having a meltdown again

[olive halo]

alr last thing, is this good?

[olive halo]

average $5 servers moment

you'd think this was a ubisoft game

[normal bay]

5 whole dollars? In your dreams

[olive halo]

not the free microsoft azure servers 😭

[steep flower]

I go middle; right side does not really help much the chainaxe in the areas it struggles in

[olive halo]

^ my uni unironically used those servers for online exams, and it would regularly wipe our answers

[steep flower]

Keep the def one; will state once i come back hone why mob > def in terms of dumping is better

[olive halo]

ye I just tried the middle path in the picture a few messages above

[steep flower]

Could be better

[olive halo]

what could be improved

I'm lvl 28 so theres still 2 more points I havent unlocked yet

[steep flower]

Survivalist aura for starters, don’t need grenade tinkerer, get superiority complex, demo team & confirmed kill (and take that +1 stamina node below it instead of +5% movement speed below out for blood), rending strikes is not needed, same for redirect fire

Rest is fine; thats what i use atleast

Oh and as you go for survivalist aura; take catch-a-breath

Also i see you took field improv; very good

^ You

[olive halo]

thanks a lot bro

[steep flower]

Oh important; since you use combat shotgun take tactical reload; its a must

[olive halo]

damn that part about the +1 stamina node

I never even realized

I thought up there was all +5% toughness or smth

[steep flower]

Stamina > Movement Speed in my book

[olive halo]

definitely

[midnight wyvern]

is that nades back from ammo crates and corruption healing med kits?

[olive halo]

yeah it is

[midnight wyvern]

meat

[steep flower]

Yup

[midnight wyvern]

Love when I can fit that into a build

so much utility

[steep flower]

I always do

[midnight wyvern]

I really need to make another Vet build that does things other than removing bosses from the physical realm

[steep flower]

Tbh my main 3 builds for vet for havoc do that & more

[midnight wyvern]

Ill have to sneak a peak

steam recording, recording only the music is so goofy

[steep flower]

Wonder if you have the same build as i do; will like to compare also check your DMs in discord

[plain osprey]

Anyone can give me the notable bulletpoints of the Agrippina infantry autogun?

I know its considered the second best infantry autogun after the MK v vraks (fomerly known as coloumnus).

I know it has a 30-ish mag at 80 ammo
I know it has the highest damage per bullet as base stat

Is there anything else to know?

Any rending/finesse/bleed modifiers? Anything about the recoil?

Anyone has the tips and secrets about this gun on short notice?

[normal bay]

Paths guide in the pins should list the necessary nodes for weapons

[unreal nova]

Is sad when most ppl won't take it. More sad when oggies expect to not have it.

[olive halo]

DAMN

that looks like smth straight out of monster hunter

[olive halo]

bro was indeed cooking, finally finished my first damnation mission

just need to get mastery up to get the mark 6, and bless it and its gonna demolish

[mortal aspen]

does that talent affect any medpack\ammo crate?

so if your party member places one, everyone gets the benefit from your talent?

[olive halo]

yeah it affects any of them, no matter who places it

[normal bay]

I now have 4 +3 stam curios on my vet and 0 17% toughness

The game wants me to deadshot meme

[unreal nova]

Yes.

As long as you are alive or in rescue.

[olive halo]

the universe is speaking to you, you gotta respond in kind

[mortal aspen]

I'll take it whenever I decide to do havoc on my vet then