veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

Get Skitarius, the mod. Lifesaver

[tropic notch]

@hollow ibex with tac axe how much of a dps increase would I get with exploit weakness?

I know it usually not worth

[serene bough]

how do people build heavy swords

headtaker+ rampage flak+unarmored?

[narrow frost]

deathblow headtaker flak + elite is what zealot uses, vet might want flak + something else

[hollow ibex]

Idk prob doesn’t matter outside of carapace

I ran it with serrated blade

[tall torrent]

Crit RNG dependent

[hollow ibex]

But didn’t feel particularly impressive

[tall torrent]

Maybe like 300 extra dps?

[tropic notch]

Well tac axe and ws has good crit

[tropic notch]

That’s not terrible

But not good

Well tac axe heavies hit like what 500 -400

[livid fractal]

anyone got a build for vigi auto

ive heard u can make em into a 1 tap machine

[umbral scaffold]

So other than bolter and plasma…what are some great ranged weapon choices that will still help you preform well in damnation/auric maelstrom? What are some ones to avoid?

[serene bough]

recon and helbore las are reliable ranged

but you can make mostly anything work in auric

[sonic pecan]

if you can aim, the helbore, if you can aim but badly, the recon

[tall torrent]

Vet doesn’t get high enough crit chance to reliably stack EW twice before killing

[sonic pecan]

Fortunately the upcoming rework will fix everything and break nothing at all in the process. Everything will be fun on veteran.

[tropic notch]

Aw

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah, I currently run stealth with braced auto and it does wonders tbh. It’s been fun and I love it, but looking for some other options now that I’ve gotten familiar with it!

[umbral scaffold]

Aim? Depends on the day. I might give the hellebore a go though

[honest quiver]

intimidating presence

[serene bough]

most sane psyker

[sonic pecan]

so for the unseen predator penance where you suppress with infiltrate, is that your weapon suppressing or you just popping out of stealth

[tall torrent]

Just popping out of stealth

[unreal nova]

Just do slasher jumpscare to gunners.

Or hordes if you just want it done quickly.

[sonic pecan]

yeah its going up quick

[spark canopy]

so it has begun

the fuckening

really not looking forward to this

[hollow ibex]

hell of a grind but i've kinda come around to mmf on certain builds

you can have some pretty fucking insane toughness regen

using tunnel vision + CAB

[tall torrent]

Bring power sword
Go to mercantile
Camp kitchen spawn

Kill everything for 25 mins

[hollow ibex]

or yeah you can cheese it 😠

[spark canopy]

it is the most mind numbing and stupid penance i think i have ever seen

i am cheesing this like a rat

[tall torrent]

It’s not the worst

[spark canopy]

no no it is the worst i think

[tall torrent]

At least u can finish it in 1 mission

Ogryn has lucky bullet penance

4500 procs

Shoot 37500 shots

[spark canopy]

yep, that's better than this

[tall torrent]

Can’t even do it in 1 game

Takes like 4

[spark canopy]

i can

i am best ogryn

(no i'm not)

nah but at least with ogryn it makes some sense

it's not that much a pain in the ass

MMF though... hell to the fuck no.

i think i'd rather put a cocktail stick beneath my big toe

[tall torrent]

Just spawn camp mercantile kitchen for 25 mins lol it’s ez

[unreal nova]

More like 45.

AI director hates you at times.

Minimum spawn on auric how?????

[calm shard]

@tall torrent do you need +infested on heavy sword to one shot poxwalkers with heavy sword in havoc

with orange boys

I'm not sure if it's just their terrible hitboxes making me not hit the head, or them genuinely surviving the headshot

[tall torrent]

No?

Poxwalker is not that high health

[umbral scaffold]

Gamers, do we still have wacky plasma numbers like idfk I remember something about max charge rate being a damage penalty or something

[tall torrent]

Only 506.25 in max havoc scaling

[calm shard]

okay so it's just their fucking terrible hitboxes

got it

[tall torrent]

Not rly the case anymore

But the perfect stat distribution is still super specific

[umbral scaffold]

Based, I am dumping heat so I explode faster for my psyker gameplay

[tall torrent]

Can’t dump below 68%

[umbral scaffold]

how why when

[tall torrent]

U can’t shoot 8 times consecutively from 0% heat

[umbral scaffold]

also I found my old meme, blessed that it is

[tall torrent]

The safe bet is 69% thermal resist

[umbral scaffold]

nice

[tall torrent]

Damage, stopping power and ammo are max

Charge rate can go up to 71-72%

This is perfect plasma roll

It’s the hardest weapon to perfect roll in the game rn

[umbral scaffold]

is there anything in particular about shooting 8 times, or is it because you just get the same amount of shots between 69% and 80%?

[tall torrent]

Same shots between 69% and 80% thermal resist

So no reason to go above 69%

[umbral scaffold]

I am wiser now than I was 2 minutes ago 🤝

Oh yeah, anything specific about perks, or are these very reliant on talents as well?

I recall having to do some wackitudes to get my power sword to two-hit a crusher

[formal ice]

How y'all feel being the worse class in the game

[tall torrent]

Flak + unarmored for plasma

[umbral scaffold]

Blessed

WHILE I'M HERE

Someone clarify the Fatshark wording please

This can't be increasing my heat when I crit, right?

[unreal forge]

I remember playing with my bf, reading the chat here and saw someone say that the perfect plasma stats are whatever they are, and told him about it. He then rolled a perfect plasma with those stats within like 30 seconds

[tall torrent]

🔥

[unreal forge]

68% thermal, 72% stability?

[tall torrent]

Critical attacks with plasma generate x(1-listed value%) immediate heat upon being fired

This has no effect on the pre-fire heat build-up

[tall torrent]

68.?% thermal resist (69% to be safe)
71-72% charge rate
80% everything else

[unreal nova]

Gotta test it, but it can be perfect.

@grizzled pebble and I have 68% thermals that work.

[umbral scaffold]

[safe kestrel]

It’s so hard to roll specific odd numbers in brunt’s. I wasted 400,000 Ordos trying

[analog mural]

Only 400k? Those are rookie numbers

Pump those numbers up

In the old days you could spend millions, maybe get one good roll, then it's bricked by Hadron anyway

[forest scaffold]

Thank god this shit is dead and gone

needing like 4000 plasteel for a guaranteed perfect roll, and like 100k ordo dockets is so so much better than dumping 2500-infinity plasteel and infinite ordos on "fine I guess"

(I am including the cost of making a specific weapon level 20 to paint a more accurate picture for newer players who don't have a stash of 100k plasteel)

[half glade]

wait what

if I throw grenade using the underhand throw, it doesn't interrupt infiltrate mode, even if it causes damage? but normal throw does immediately, even if no damage and no enemies around?

how does it make sense lol?

[red fox]

am i stupid for trying to force Exec stance into Auric, i just don't want to rely on VOC

[unreal nova]

Just FS thing.

[half glade]

mkay, what about Low Profile sub-talent of Infiltrate? I'm testing it in psykarium, and it works inconsistently on elite. It promises -90% agro for 10 secs, but what I see:

1. Crusher and bulwarks agroing immediately when stealth is dropped
2. Maulers after a couple seconds
3. Gunners after 3-4 seconds
4. Ragers immediately as well

[tall torrent]

It makes enemies think you’re a lower threat than other targets

But if there are no other targets they’ll still target u

[half glade]

okay, noted

[snow igloo]

what's a godroll plasma gun

[red fox]

plasma gun but it comes back after buying milk and lotto tickets

[unreal nova]

Lucky 68% thermal or 69% thermal guaranteed 72-71% charge rate.

[covert dagger]

The Guard Never Surrenders!

[formal ice]

Surrender for the Lex

And Ogryn

[ionic trail]

your profile makes this so much fucking funnier

[sonic wedge]

A rat sympathizer allies with the lex

[covert dagger]

Standard Hive Ganger stuff.

[unreal nova]

Fwuffy-thing? He psyker main though.

[sonic wedge]

Ah it makes more sense

Trust the psyker to understand a skaven hahaha

[unreal nova]

Maybe other way round.

[sonic wedge]

50/50

[unreal nova]

Much warpstone, very uhh...

[sonic wedge]

Wait you are still awake? Im convinced you dont sleep lowkey

[unreal nova]

I dunno what sleep is. I just black out randomly.

[sonic wedge]

Pushing the boundaries of reality until passing I see

[unreal nova]

Or after too much coffee/caffeine.

Usually that.

I literally drink celsius to sleep at times lul

[sonic wedge]

Lol

[covert dagger]

I wonder when we will get to see the other hive.

[unreal nova]

200 mg hits like a truck.

[sonic wedge]

Darktide 2 anyone?

[covert dagger]

Expansion?

[unreal nova]

If they make it paid... oh boy the rage.

[sonic wedge]

Isnt celsius a treatment for indigestion?

[covert dagger]

It's that or subscriptions. Or you know, twenty dollar "micro" transactions.

[unreal nova]

The cash shop being this ex was to cover all those stuff.

Ask ppl for pics.

[unreal nova]

No, energy drink. For health nuts.

Is like 20 to 33 cents per can here.

[sonic wedge]

The paradox of drinking an energy drink to help with sleeping is diabolical

[unreal nova]

I'm autistic... think is just the way my brain is wired.

[sonic wedge]

Fair enough

[unreal nova]

I used to drift off after a cup of coffee in weird places.

[sonic wedge]

Moonknight kind of situation haha

Instead of MPD its caffeine switch

[unreal nova]

Only Moon Knight I know is a Marvel Char?

[sonic wedge]

Yes

[unreal nova]

And barely know. I'm more to X-men and spinoffs.

[sonic wedge]

Ah

Understandable

[unreal nova]

And I mean the classic.

[sonic wedge]

I wouldnt say no to that but if its paid, Im going back to warframe

[unreal nova]

God knows what the heck happened.

[covert dagger]

Those two are like, nothing alike in my brain.

[unreal nova]

It would mean they lied about story and content being paid for by cosmetic shop again.

[sonic wedge]

True

Also, does commodores vestitures refresh every two weeks now? I dont see any timers anymore

I want the krieg uniforms and the commisar ones

[unreal nova]

RN, they established new classes being paid for and it pissed ppl who were promised more subclasses and such for free.

[sonic wedge]

For reasons so obvious

[unreal nova]

Every two weeks still.

So check next week.

[sonic wedge]

Nice, last time it took like 2 months to refresh

[unreal nova]

Arby might not get content.

They already karked the first release so badly.

$8 to raise visor.

Not even half that to take the piss.

The content they have is that coat in red.

Which is gonna piss ppl more if they release it, even if I want it.

[sonic wedge]

Hahaha

I want a black version of the coat

With white trimmings

Idk, it just feels right

[unreal nova]

Black and red.

I will be the last thing you see feel.

To be fair, is also why I want the commissar rerun.

[sonic wedge]

Very true

The potential is INSANE

[unreal nova]

Like 2 months and is a year waiting already.

[sonic wedge]

Hahaha

Give us commisar lines already

Inquisitor line was released and it was sensational

Commisar rerun next

[unreal nova]

Except oggy. No alt ver where coat is on.

Psyker was the drippiest thing.

Coat on a coat?

[sonic wedge]

Coat on coat on a coat

[unreal nova]

You can't tell me that isn't...

I don't even psyker much.

And the joke is they released the zealot set I wanted... After Inquisitor.

And who wouldn't get Not Saltz hat?

[quick burrow]

i like sauron voice hat to much

[unreal nova]

Still.

[sonic wedge]

sauron?

[hollow axle]

Why ?

[tame lodge]

The funny

[quick burrow]

the iron halo helm for zealot makes his voice intense

[umbral scaffold]

I like my hair

[sonic wedge]

ahh

[umbral scaffold]

smoke grenade

[quick burrow]

now thats throwin smoke

[blazing jetty]

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/veterans-day-2023-gif-8178274652692527771

[olive halo]

do you need to be in the mission from the beginning for the penance "make every shot count" (finish a mission with no ammo and 90+% accuracy)?

[teal canyon]

I have no idea, but double barrel shotgun is no brainer for this penance

[ionic trail]

i've also heard of people doing it with the revolver but that was several patches ago so it may be outdated hearsay now

[hybrid plover]

It's possible with revolver but shotguns are significantly easier to do it with since as long as one pellet hits, you're keeping the accuracy going.

[olive halo]

I may be stupid

I went and did it with the bolt pistol

I can confirm though you dont need to be in the mission from the beginning

completely forgot the shotguns even existed

[severe jolt]

I thought the shotgun was le bad for a long time
turns out I was using the accatran mark which is indeed le bad
but shotgun is le good

[sonic wedge]

welcome to the finer things in life

[hollow axle]

So Rashad or PowerSword for Havoc ?

[sonic wedge]

powersword

[narrow widget]

psword but both are great weapons

[grand perch]

rashad falls off a lot in havoc sadly

[hollow axle]

Thanks !

And shredder frag are better in Havoc because Can stagger crushers and bulwark ?

[stable socket]

i think they have bigger aoe which means they can stagger/bleed more enemies, and two nades will clear all trash and soften up ragers/maulers/bulwarks in their radius which is very useful when dealing with mixed hordes

generally speaking the most valuable thing in darktide is space (because with enough space you can kite anything to death), and frags create more space than kraks

(also it costs less talent points to go from frags to survivalist, which is vet's best aura by far in havoc)

[hollow axle]

Thanks !

[hollow axle]

What are your insights about Helbore ?

[stable socket]

i haven't tried the weapon yet, sry

in high havocs i've only run plasma/laspistol/recon lasgun

my best guess is that you have to play more proactive because the helbore needs to be pulled out and then you gotta charge a shot at least a bit

so you can't quickswap to it to delete a special, then swap back to melee, you kinda need to pull it out about half a second earlier

[hollow axle]

What is your preference ?

[stable socket]

depends on the team

laspistol has great ammo economy with shock trooper and insane boss damage but doesn't handle carapace super well, doesn't have much cleave and might have a bit of damage falloff at range

plasma has functionally infinite cleave unless it hits carapace/shields/bosses and has very good killing power against distant specials (you can oneshot almost all with a headshot), but has a delay before firing which you have to get used to, its ammo economy is not as good (especially if enemies have defensive buffs that don't allow you to oneshot them), and the reload time is very long even if you sprint cancel part of the anmiation

[rigid pilot]

Which recon?

[stable socket]

i think the fastest firing one is the one i used, but that's because i read that it was meta

[rigid pilot]

I've mostly only use (6d) for the memes

Mm I heard the other ones have some cleave

[stable socket]

i think there's one mark that has 2? 3? cleave or something

but havoc hitmass is high even on chaff

[rigid pilot]

[stable socket]

recon i have less experience with, but it feels like a longer ranged version of the laspistol that allows you to sorta handle carapace (because it can stack brittleness from onslaught thanks to the high fire rate) and in exchange has slightly somewhat lower boss damage. i could be wrong though, these are all vibes-based

[rigid pilot]

Boss damage is much lower on recons from experience

Idk if that's skill issue on my part or just how it is

[stable socket]

part of my perception may come from the fact that recon used to be (might still be?) vet's no.1 answer to pus-hardened skin because it stacks infernus fastest

but pus-hardened means the gun will feel a lot worse thanks to the ranged damage reduction. i think all things being equal, laspistol still beats recon on boss damage though

[unreal nova]

Honestly, VIc if you plan to havoc.

[rigid pilot]

Yea the finesse modifiers are just so much better

[unreal nova]

XII is funni memes, but you'll nuke clips to dump elites and specials.

[flint lake]

So what’s the vet meta now that folks have had time to experiment with the latest update?

[rigid pilot]

Has it ever changed since patch 14 🚬

[flint lake]

Still plasma dueling sword?

[stable socket]

It's a bit stale but is also pretty stable

Being able to shoot through a dozen trash mobs, instantly kill a special and get a quarter of your shout back is good

[steep flower]

Las pistol has ok boss dmg; it ain’t insane; i would say recon > pistol for boss dmg if built correctly

[steep flower]

With Mk XII you rely on infernus anyways in order to micromanage ammo even with headhunter & shock trooper

[stable socket]

I may have been using the wrong mark this entire time lol, gotta test more tomorrow

[steep flower]

Probably not skill issue but not properly build skill tree

[sudden cedar]

Veteran Meta is to complain until Veteran Rework it feels like.

[stable socket]

in general i usually have like half as many trash kills as any other member of the team because dueling sword is not good into hordes and i don't like using ammo on trash, most of the time i'm either stabbing melee elites or shooting ranged elites/specials

but in havoc usually the team will have 1-2 members who are exceptionally good at clearing trash so it's fine.

not a build i'd recommend for aurics because it's prolly best to be self-sufficient in aurics instead of being cripplingly specialized at single target stuff; weapon specialist combat axe + revolver handles anything the game can throw at you in aurics because combat axe oneshots all auric trash and revolver crit oneshots everything except ogryns (and maulers i think)

[steep flower]

Just as a proper vet should

[rigid pilot]

Revolver too good

Until you don't have breakpoints

[tame lodge]

Power Sword 6 + Helbore 3/4 , recon, plasma, Bolt Pistol, double barrel

Laspistol

[flint lake]

ty

[tame lodge]

I'm probably forgetting some ranged weapon

Hmmm

Nope

Can't remember

[sudden cedar]

Bolt Gun?

But hey, there is also the Vigilant Autogun

[flint lake]

I here the bolt pistol is an improvement to the gun

[tame lodge]

Not exactly

It has better draw and reload speed

It doesn't go brrrr

It's like a side grade

[flint lake]

No war crimes? Hmmmm

Hard pass

[tame lodge]

Bolt Pistol is mostly used on grenadier builds

Because the Lethal Proximity blessing increases frags range

[long dove]

Recon dump stat is collat isn't it?

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[long dove]

Fuuuuuu

Welp I have a 500 recon to scrap

[unreal nova]

Mobility?

Still usable.

[long dove]

Yup

[unreal nova]

Collateral just does nothing.

[long dove]

Nah I'll scrap and redo it

Might as well

[unreal nova]

I suggest just keeping anyway.

Incase they ever buff things to do with it.

Or ehm, if they ever do 100%s and it actually changes SOMETHING.

Selling barely gives back resources so...

[long dove]

Eh still helps

Besides

I got a plasma I can use

Been running Auric for practice

[unreal nova]

Ah.

[long dove]

Yeah, I wish I had a havoc group

Some of the randos have been

Problematic

[unreal nova]

I can see.

[heavy rover]

There's the lfg chat if that helps

[long dove]

I'll give it a go for sure

Also been testing other classes for spice

And I really want this helmets for helping 25 people complete assignments in havoc

[sonic wedge]

the lfg chat for apac is suspiciously silent

[steep flower]

Mob actually

[steep flower]

It does; with infernus you can stagger bombers out of animation

[steep flower]

I mean its apac; majority of the place is salt water

[unreal nova]

Well, you could have told him that before he sold it. I have both because of reasons.

Or more like, CBA to sell maxed stuff. I have 7 Bistols on all my chars for a reason.

[long dove]

I sold the one on my Gunker, my Vet still has it.

[unreal nova]

You either get trash or you get really good players. I'm bottom barrel so.

[unreal nova]

Oh. But really, keep both. Might have niche things you can use for.

[long dove]

Collateral dump on my Gunker might be the plan so I can move faster

[unreal nova]

Ah.

But yeah, vet can have both.

Different situational build.

I basically have one to pewpew specials and elite and one to just shoot bosses.

[lucid ginkgo]

Tell me, fellow vets, hot-shot still bugged, and 1 tier better than 4?

[hollow ibex]

yup

[long dove]

Huh?

[lucid ginkgo]

i cant

Do Fatsharks even know about this?

[sonic wedge]

wait you can sell guns?

[long dove]

So Recon/Plasma shout vet are the only viable options?

[long dove]

Discard. Same diff

[sonic wedge]

ah

[tame lodge]

For what?

[long dove]

Havoc

[sonic wedge]

I thought sacrifice was the only option

[tame lodge]

There are more options

Helbore
Laspistols
Bistol

[long dove]

Helbore in Havoc?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

1 taps all around

[long dove]

With Exec?

[tame lodge]

It was even able to kill Pus Hardened enemies

[long dove]

So you're saying I can krieg cosplay with helbore?

[tame lodge]

Yes

And iirc
If you're running Hotshot blessing, shovel can actually be used on Havoc

[unreal nova]

They should have named it scrap instead.

[tame lodge]

Shovel however is not going to be as good as the competition

[long dove]

I'd use the spike shovel

[sonic wedge]

Truue

[tame lodge]

Probably

[unreal nova]

Would be easier to understand.

[tame lodge]

The next hotfixed is scheduled for August

[unreal nova]

Might be too meh so they don't care.

[long dove]

I should use my helbore again. I miss it. Just been gearing up and practicing Havoc builds

[tame lodge]

So don't expect any fixes soon

[lucid ginkgo]

oh no

So long?

[unreal nova]

They fixed OP stuff, then broke things and refuses to fix them.

GREAT show there, FS.

[lucid ginkgo]

Oh god

[long dove]

May be waiting until they make sure a fix doesn't break something else

[tame lodge]

Mfw FS breaks things then the broken thing becomes op

[unreal nova]

The joke is, EO worked fine on release.

[long dove]

Reminds me of POS towers in eve online

[tame lodge]

So Fatshark fixes things

[unreal nova]

It's now... half working.

[tame lodge]

So it breaks

Becomes op

Fix

Break

Op

Fix

Aaaaaaaaaaa

[long dove]

Eh could be worse

[unreal nova]

2 keystone is broken though.

Left and middle.

Right is the only one that works completely atm.

But is like the worst since RED havocs, yay.

[tame lodge]

Get Fatshark'd lol

[long dove]

Eve Online couldn't remove pos towers because the code was so ancient and and worked that there literally wasn't anyone there from the time it was written. They literally broke the game when trying to remove them

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-blahaj-spinning-blahaj-shark-shonk-gif-27706401

Class so mid two keystones doesn't fully work

[long dove]

Eh I still love Vet most

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-notfunny-joke-i-know-im-funny-gif-8132988

[unreal nova]

$12 btw.

[long dove]

Honestly I've barely touched Arb

[tame lodge]

It's mid

[lucid ginkgo]

No fatshark quality stamp sticker here 😦

[tame lodge]

The dog is good though

[long dove]

I'd go Lone Wolf

[unreal nova]

I like dog. Dog better than the actual player.

I heard puppos jump things about to hit me out of a minigame.

All good puppos, yes.

[lucid ginkgo]

Also, is there any way or mod to tag things through fences or obstacles, where i can see enemy, but can't tag because of invisible hitbox?
Or any way to fix weapon not swapping while i aiming for blocking?

[unreal nova]

Nope. Scream at FS to fix it. Or just shoot.

[tame lodge]

There are mods for guaranteed weapon swap

Don't think the auto tag mod works through walls though

[lucid ginkgo]

I already yelled at my monitor, but it didn't fix itself, none of this

[hollow axle]

How much ?

[unreal nova]

Oh, yeah... Meant the silly invisible hitpox for tagging thing.

[unreal nova]

MUCH.

You WILL trigger every barrel in a room with a single frag.

I am not even joking.

[hollow axle]

Bistol is what ?

[lucid ginkgo]

🅱️ olt pistol

[unreal nova]

Bistol with Lethal Prox blessing.

[hollow axle]

Do you have gameplay video with Helbore in Havoc ?

[tame lodge]

From 10 to 12.5 iirc

With the grenade range buff talent it goes to 15

[hollow axle]

This is a lot of because this is diameter ?

[hollow axle]

Thanks !

[hollow axle]

Like the voidblast bug ?

[unreal nova]

No. It actually hits THAT big with frags.

Trauma triggers barrels outside of it's hit radius.

[half glade]

I don't get vet's tree, too many excessive nodes, for too little gains

as if the class is OP, but it isn't

[unreal nova]

We all know most of the tree needs buffs.

[tropic notch]

Both are good

[tropic notch]

Welcome to the dilemma of vet atm

Too much tax

[tame lodge]

Too good too tax

FS was scared of accidentally bringing Launch vet back

💀

[tropic notch]

Tbh if they raised his base toughness and took out of of the 25 toughness nodes I’d be happy

[cloud thunder]

Vet tree is just outdated for the current content we have

[unreal nova]

Funni thing is, I don't even think launch vet would be op now.

[steep flower]

Even without it its strong; but then you give up falter and that is not a great idea (cause the other blessing is surgical)

[half glade]

I wonder if they actually playtest their design, on proper difficulties? I mentioned I hated playing the left guy on vet - and it was mostly due to the fact how game hates shooting play and punishes you for it. Ammo shortage is one thing, but the main problem is you're supposed to fill a niche of marksman (in modern nato military classification) right? So you are supposed to provide ad-hoc precise support fire, ad-hoc being the mandatory part here. But you can't - because almost constantly you are being assaulted from all directions by some chaffers, in half of the cases they won't let you to stay still for a few seconds sniping things. You can clear them sure - but then the moment is lost. And they'll be back at stabbing you in a few seconds anyway.

[tame lodge]

Not with that attitude

[half glade]

Would the Executor's Stance also had the agro level reduction as Infiltrator has, that would actually work. but in both cases it should be integrite parts of the main ability, not even subnodes. That's what makes both usable in the intended manner

[unreal nova]

Devs test on like malice.

[tame lodge]

Sentry vet 💀

[half glade]

seems so

[unreal nova]

They even lost to like, the equiv of baby first funni pack on arby.

So uhhh... yeah.

[half glade]

it could have some limitations sure. may be not working on elites who are already close to you, not allowing you to pull it through in the middle of a crowd. But certainly need to make some random stranded chaffers ignore you for 5 seconds or so

[viral notch]

hi guys im new to this server and to discord in generall. But me and my zealot are searching for help with a penance. The one where you need to kill 40 stunned enemies in 10s. Im loosing my karken mind over this one. Can someone help?

[half glade]

I managed to complete it not so long ago just naturally, when I brought my zealot to Auric and low lv Havoc. It just comes down to density of chaff's crowds, then stun them and use the relic blade which has insane cleave and its done

[olive halo]

what is "suppression"?

I noticed there's a skill called Determination that just says "gain suppression immunity" and thats it

[half glade]

you should complete the extended tutorial in the Psykarium it seems 🙂

when they shoot at you, you may become supressed, depending on density of their fire

[olive halo]

I think I did but that was long ago

as ogryn

[half glade]

your aim starts to roam, like your crosshair actually moves around

[olive halo]

so it blocks the annoying thing that gunners do??

[tame lodge]

Ogryns don't get suppressed

[olive halo]

where your entire screen decides to leave the planet

[unreal nova]

But you eff up already if you are getting gunner'd.

[tame lodge]

Being suppressed is not being able to shoot where you want to

[unreal nova]

And is most likely dead in havoc.

[half glade]

yea, but anybody can do it I believe, a lot of shooting chaff too

[olive halo]

yeah where the screen shakes like in an earthquake

[tame lodge]

Suppressing is making ranged enemies less accurate, stop shooting, take cover or cower on the spot

[olive halo]

yeah but tbh its the worst with gunners

others I can deal with but if Im being shot at by a gunner its genuinely over

cant run, cant shoot, cant even look at em

[tame lodge]

There's also specific weapons that can't get suppressed

Or akin to immune

[midnight wyvern]

do you guys use decimator or headtaker on Caxe

[tame lodge]

Headtaker

Better uptime

[half glade]

suppression immunity will stop your crosshair from roam sure, but you really shouldn't participate in direct standoffs with gunners lol, won't end good on higher difficulties. If they are shooting right at you, your probably better reposition

[olive halo]

I know, but I dont always have the option unfortunately

just a few missions ago I hid behind a pillar to not get shot by one gunner, got immediately blasted by another

those two gunners proceeded to demolish 2 arbitrators and we barely survived due to the 3rd guy

this was in heresy, not even damnation

[half glade]

losing to a gunner on arbitrator.. they were drunk probably lol

[olive halo]

it was me and 3 arbys lol

[tame lodge]

When the class so mid

Ok I'll stop

For now

Tf do you do that though

Shotguns have some of the best suppression value

[half glade]

Seems pretty fleeting effect, to me, still, no? Like they flinch for a second, and then are back at attacking you. And unlike autoguns you can't just keep shooting at them with shotgun.

[half glade]

and I also think suppression doesn't work on all chaff equally. like the groaners and other "zombies" seem to ignore you shooting at them most of the times

[tame lodge]

Zarona doesn't have much but the special shot just staggers
Agripina slug has 4.5 on special shot, 10-15 on special shot kill

Accatran

Has 8 on normal shots

15 on fire shots

Most enemies cower at 10

[half glade]

Does their resistance to supression change with their "mood"? It just feels like they are less prone to it when "enraged" during waves

[tame lodge]

No but it might change with distance

Some enemies have different values from far

Oh yeah this does remind me to test some stuff now that I'm modded

[midnight wyvern]

what run on power sword chat

and which one

[olive halo]

power cycler and brutal momentum

mark 6

spam lights and for tin cans block attack

[fervent mesa]

why does nobody run mkXII chainaxe?

[hollow ibex]

cuz chaxe generally sucks

[fervent mesa]

yeah but iv is the only pick i see

[steep flower]

I’ma slap you bloody

[steep flower]

And for a good reason

[fervent mesa]

can you elaborate

[tame lodge]

Can't clear hordes for shit

8 cleave lights
Capped at 4 damaged targets

Less than 300 damage to unarmored

Damage distribution sucks

[half glade]

Anybody knows how https://darktide.gameslantern.com/ treats cases when things are changed in game? Like, suppose I've created 10 builds in there, then FS resort the tree and now they are obsolete. The site will update its code to mirror the changes - but what happens to my library of builds? Are they lost immediately? Can they still be viewed at least by myself, so I could migrate them to new version?

[odd hemlock]

I am looking for critiques to my vet build please. Im sure at the least my curios need reworked. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f65d525-958a-49a0-baba-aa3e128ea130/clownbaby-test

[normal bay]

I saw some old Ogryn builds that were converted to the new tree but broke them in the process, since a number of nodes changed

[fervent mesa]

damn

we rly need chain axe buffs its super mid across all classes

[hollow ibex]

looks pretty good.

replace dclaw if you can, it's just not good
bolter: pinning fire or puncture instead of shattering impact
curios: sprint delay instead of stam regen. would consider also bringing one hp if you're doing quickplays for when your "teammate" fails to push burster or shoves a burster into you, but that's optional

talent tree: you could keep field improv, but it's not the strongest talent.

[ocean swallow]

replace fire team with survivalist, change 5% health on curios with 4% cooldown reduction, use puncture blessing on bolter instead of surgical

[hollow ibex]

oh actually, would drop rending

and take trench fighter

[half glade]

you missed the right guy 🙂

[hollow ibex]

so that should open up melee options

@odd hemlock

[half glade]

why is sprint delay better than stam regen btw?

[hollow ibex]

actually fuck it, would just run something like this

[hollow ibex]

because vet's stam issues are 95% from the 1s stam regen delay

so stam regen isn't the main problem

it's how long it takes before you can actually start recovering stam

and there's no stam regen delay perk for curios, so best bet is to simply use less stam

and sprinting is the single biggest drain on stam

[steep flower]

Superior moveset

[half glade]

Is it just vet problem, like some core properties of the class? I saw people spam stam regen on other classes all the time, so I did it for all mine builds, and for vet too

[hollow ibex]

it's a vet problem

ogryn gets the same regen delay iirc but way more stam

zealot is .75

[steep flower]

Nah it does not its very potent

[hollow ibex]

arbi and psyker are .5

[steep flower]

Its a crime arbi has psykers delay for stam regen

[faint beacon]

way more stam and a talent that generates it piss easy (slam)

[half glade]

I see, thanks for all the details

[hollow ibex]

Oh lol yeah that’s very true

[half glade]

One more question: I see you consistently bypass Exploit Weakness trait in your builds, while taking both melee crits talents near it. Why? They are supposed to synergize, why don't you want easy extra rending?

@hollow ibex

[hollow ibex]

It just doesn’t have enough utility

By the time it procs most enemies will be dead

Might help with carapace a bit but not worth taking outside of very specific niche builds

Even high crit melee weapons on vet only reach 30 - 40 percent crit chance,

?

So takes a while

[half glade]

I see

[grand perch]

exploit weakness basically has exactly 1 weapon (tactical axe) where it has any kind of use

[ocean swallow]

youre also running with thunderous on bolter which will cover your teams brittleness needs

[hollow ibex]

Serrated blade tac axe

[grand perch]

you caught me

[odd hemlock]

Thanks for all the advice guys.. gonna work on some stuff now.. Been trying to make dclaw work for the swag effect but yeah its pretty weak at anything that inst a trash mob

[hollow ibex]

Yeah basically

And vet melee is ultrashit unless you invest a bunch of points into it

[red fox]

Is decimator worth it on shovels if im not looking to kill biggies

[steep flower]

Its one of the main blessings to use it on

[red fox]

oh iv'e had uncanny and skull i think

[half glade]

well, you still need it, as ammo gains is shit too, you won't survive on higher difficulties by just shooting stuff

I dunno what to do

[civic apex]

That’s what I’ve been running

[remote sonnet]

For me, vet late game uses more specialized builds over general purpose builds.

[steep flower]

Use skull & deci with Mk III, uncanny & deci on Mk I

[steep flower]

Micromanage better

[red fox]

Whats the argument for the Mk 1 over the 3

[remote sonnet]

Good move set and base damage + fast stagger special.

[red fox]

but not big whacky with the pickaxe right

I guess that's the trade off

but if im running a boltie, i don't think i need my melee to hit biggies

[mortal aspen]

So, I got a question: the rending from Uncanny applies to ranged as well, right? Does that mean that DB can actually damage carapace?

[half glade]

Seems so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIxOjj28cuE

[hollow axle]

What are best build that includes "Born Leader" ?

Grenadier and VoC veteran are opposed or you could do both ?

[hollow axle]

Do you have a list of these main builds ?

[past stratus]

pretty sure that VoC is part of any and all high level builds

Exec Stance and Infiltrate are outliers and objectively worse choices

[steep flower]

Better unyielding dmg

[remote sonnet]

I don't. I also run a little off meta.

I usually run vet as VoC bot and boss killing/agro.

Other is the standard gunner killing with revolver or plasma gun.

Imo, the most generalist vet build is the recon las build.

[shadow arch]

Me thinking of making a "bleed em all" build with the bleed stacks perk for melee, the combat knife, and the bolter with puncture

[remote sonnet]

From my experience, most all generalist team have a tough time when there are more than 2 bosses. People don't run more specialized builds because of the "end of statistic".

There are also the trust issue in H25-35.

Like sometimes, that one Thammer zealot could make a H40 game feel so much easier than H30 simply for removing the occasional hard targets.

[sonic kayak]

Unfortunately, typical fan base of most games: meta slaves

[warm schooner]

ranged boss killing has a lot of utility these days in high havoc, if only because there are a lot less bubble psykers to invalidate BoN

but also because you can just shit on the boss at range even when there's horde in the way, you're kiting, etc.

[remote sonnet]

My boss's killing weapon is IAG dum dum + racking fire, working especially quickly on BoN.

[serene bough]

if i wanna go boss killing I bring PS6 and kraks

kraks themselves arent the highest damage but they consistently stun bosses

[remote sonnet]

I also have krak.

But blessed bosses even the weakened ones, can tank quite a few.

[serene bough]

even still if you have 3 kraks + VoC you can stun a boss for a pretty long time

and considering the regen rate of grenades is really high in havoc if you bring demo team, it's not so terrible of an idea

[remote sonnet]

Depending on the team comps, I either go with Grenadier or Field Improv.

[serene bough]

yeah if there's a lack of AoE i bring shredders, but otherwise if there's a flamer/blaze staff i bring krak

[sonic kayak]

Killing bosses? Bolter with Marksman ( the talent), PSword

[serene bough]

bolter will definitely do the job but its so ammo hungry

[remote sonnet]

My melee of choice is this one is Dclaw, lol. I can agro non ranged bosses in a corner while the team deals with other things.

[sonic kayak]

Psword only

[remote sonnet]

Bolter is not ammunition efficient and has rough time dealing with big groups of enemies at range.

[red robin]

Might get some mileage with weapon specialist for crits for double barrel with flechette and manstopper

[spark canopy]

to whatever slack-jawed, mouth-breathing, window-licking, paint-chip-eating, cousin-kissing, stereotype-living-up-to fatshark coder that made Killshot Ready 2500 motherfucking kills at 10 or more stacks of marksman's focus, i do not like you. not one bit.

i very much have opposite feelings about you. i hate you. tremendously so.

the most gameplay restrictive penance i think i may have ever seen

it's like the devs were like

"oh hey these other classes' penances are too easy"

"we need to make one class inexplicably hard"

"or at the very least time consuming"

500 krak armored kills ✅

be methodical (which requires either a metric fuckton of elites/specialists and/or teammates that don't kill every elite/specialist they see (fuck you arbitrators))

smoke screen ✅

blinding all of your teammates so that they can't see enemy ranged

[tame lodge]

If you can't see them
They can't see you

[hidden galleon]

Any recommendations for a leveling Veterans build?

[karmic goblet]

Complete matches

[sudden cedar]

[tame lodge]

Out for blood
Frag
Grenade every 60 seconds

There

You are set

[karmic goblet]

Take +10% experience on your curios

[shadow arch]

Thanks for the idea

[red robin]

Probably the most op bleed build is shredder grenade vet with grenade tinkerer and lethal proximity bolt pistol

But having bleed on weapons is probably more fun than running the samey grenade vet build that does it all

[past stratus]

staying in Heresy is my tip to level, Damnation is too swingy and you don't have good enough gear to carry

[red robin]

Don’t get me wrong, if you haven’t tried grenade vet definitely try it out

[past stratus]

at least that was my experience last time I leveled

[red robin]

Damnation jump annoying, running gunner resistance on curios can help with it, but once you get your bearings and adapt towards intuiting your own game sense of combat, ya can drop gunner for some other things

Vet is by far my fav class on developing game sense

[past stratus]

damnation since they changed the difficulties is hard enough that if your team mates don't play the game you're not going to have a good time

[red robin]

Vet has the bare minimum to survive and needs to reinforce good habits for adapting to the flow of combat gameplay

Duelling sword w agile and plasma gun kinda robs you of that “being weak that pushes you to learn game sense that keeps you alive”

But uh idk, that’s how I learned my level of darktide skill (which ain’t anything noteworthy)

At that point you can just go hog wild on abysmal weapon builds you think would be fun

[red robin]

Zarona combat shotgun special shot with manstopper and scattershot good for head level horde clearing for farming that penance

Or use automatic ranged weapons

As marksmen focus doesn’t flow well with semi auto weapons all that much

[hollow ibex]

Man either way MMF feels a lot better to play with camo

[spark canopy]

so MMF, play it with infiltrate?

[spark canopy]

thank you

[hollow ibex]

Camo is just a subnode of MMF that gives passive regen

Of stacks

[sleek garden]

marksmans focus with camo is great for the slow stuff like the helbores, shotguns, boltguns

If it's the infantry lasgun it's not useful at all

[long dove]

Ehhh

The ability to get stacks ahead of the kills is nice

[odd hemlock]

Just ran this. Works great. Also running mk1 shovel instead of devils claw now too.

[odd hemlock]

I got this (what felt like) relatively easily and quickly doing mortis with spearhead bolter… but I am told that’s a bad way to do it lol but I think clicking heads is easier with a semi auto

[hollow ibex]

Nice, though tbh shovel isn’t great either 😭

[sudden cedar]

Munitorum Mk3 Shovel is great.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[heavy rover]

could hammerblow and decimator on the mk iii shovel stagger crushers / maulers / ragers?

[sonic kayak]

The lights are surprisingly good ngl

The folding is also fast af

Still takes 3-5 business days to kill a boss though

[long dove]

still nothing as satisfying as beating someone to death with a shovel

[sudden cedar]

@sonic kayak It does not have to kill a boss. That is not what it is intended for. Not every weapon has to do everything.

[sonic kayak]

wRong, if my melee weapon is not killing a boss in 3-5 hits then obviously it has no use

ignoring the fact that your average vet doesn't know how to melee anyways

[elder vessel]

Unc Battle Who Would Win

[livid hill]

the super shotgun is so fucking fun

im gonna die

[sonic kayak]

Where you will be BROUGHT TO THE EMPEROR'S SIDE, AND FIGHT ALONG SIDE HIM

[livid hill]

DUTY NEVER ENDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i'd prefer a snail version

[steel veldt]

I just made a veteran

:D

any build advice?

Or advice in general for a Zealot main

[tame lodge]

Stay away from Longshot

(poor scaling)

And get Out for Blood

• frags

• regenerating grenades every 60s

[odd hemlock]

lol what do you prefer to use?

[steel veldt]

got it

infiltrate or voice of command?

My good friend says former until I learn

[tame lodge]

VoC is the best choice

Might create bad habits

Oh and avoid the revive node on it

Not worth it

[steel veldt]

So instead of being Cpt. Price I become a bard, neato.

[long dove]

is only shout viable in havoc? Nade Vet?

[steel veldt]

Will note

[sonic kayak]

Shout is easy, but both Shout and Exe are viable

Nade Vet is perfectly viable in Havoc, but some modifiers can fuck you up

[tame lodge]

I'm going to let you into a secret

Everything is viable

If you got the skills to back it up

https://tenor.com/view/never-give-up-fist-pump-motivation-motivational-gif-4892451

[long dove]

I guess I won't know until I try

oh! for helping 25 people complete their assignment in Havoc, is that 25 different people?

[abstract sand]

If we're talking from a pure meta standpoint,

Shout is absolutely the go-to but exe has some strong but niche uses

I usually see Exe. paired with the Helsnore

[long dove]

I love my Helbore 😦

[abstract sand]

It's a good gun

I just don't like using it

[long dove]

That's fair

I love using it

it arguably made me a better player

[abstract sand]

plasma and helbore aren't for me

i like recon and infantry the best

recon is my gun of choice

[long dove]

I really dont like Infantry Lasgun

I want to

just feels very meh

[abstract sand]

with dumdum/infernus

debuff stick of doom

[long dove]

oh yeah Recon is fun

I just love my Helbore and it made me pretty decent at auto aiming at heads

aiming for head with infantry las though is hard for me

[steel veldt]

so what gun good for Vet?

I wanna try DB or autoshotty

[hollow ibex]

PS Rashad Taxe Hsword are the meta options

[barren girder]

is the pinned guide up to date for the combat shotty blessings/perks since the buffs?

[hollow ibex]

Still should be right, they just got stronger

[barren girder]

assuming i can just run em with any run of the mill WS/FT build?

[odd hemlock]

Hsword is meta?? i could never get into it maybe need ot give another try

[barren girder]

i saw a build from lizard that uses MMF and ES but i dont wanna run that bc im not a masochist lmfao

[long dove]

Combat shotty is fun

[barren girder]

yea im thinking of farming mastery on it, i already have a 440 rating god roll on one

[tame lodge]

It'll kill everything short of carapace

So yeah

[barren girder]

figured it'd be a good midway point between my helbore and DB shotty builds

[tame lodge]

It's up there

[long dove]

The Agri shotty has a really tight spread giggity and works really well with Full Bore

[odd hemlock]

Rampage/Headtaker Flak/Maniac ?

[tame lodge]

Headtaker Deathblow

Flak Maniacs

[hollow ibex]

That’s the build I run lol

It’s actually pretty good

Idk about using it in havoc tho lol

[hollow ibex]

Turns out weapons with brutal momentum are good

[barren girder]

yeah im a lazy bastard who wants my loadouts to be viable for both auric and havoc xP

maybe i should install that more loadouts mod finally

[hollow ibex]

Havoc kinda limits the stupid fun shit tho

[long dove]

That's true but the difficulty is still fun

[barren girder]

funnily enough the specialist waves auric mael has can sometimes feel more stressful than the average haco shenanigans

played some mael after mostly playing havoc and i forgot mael does the whole

woe 15 poxbursters be upon ye

thing

[hollow ibex]

lol yeah

[long dove]

I actually wanna do some havoc

I wanna get that 25 assignment Penance completed

[hollow ibex]

I gotta learn havoc spawns

It’s really screwing me right now

[tame lodge]

Play the same map a thousand times suddenly you'll know map triggers

[hollow ibex]

I’m not ainz 😭

[shadow arch]

I have that too. Hence, "everything bleeds"

[tacit sonnet]

btw, I never played with lethal proximity

Do I have to have the bistol out for it to work?

Or does it just work always

[hollow ibex]

Always on

[tacit sonnet]

How do I replace my melee on ogryn with bistol

I need it for my rumbler

[shrewd flax]

any good build for veteran using autoguns ?

[tacit sonnet]

There probably are some

I don't play vet but probably this

https://i.vgy.me/QCUPHo.png

idk

[past stratus]

the damage node on focus target is kind of ass but the rest is pretty much standard yeah

[tacit sonnet]

why

I mean, yea, it's not that great

but idk what else to get

[sudden cedar]

Field Improv

[past stratus]

cosmetic damage buff, doesn't do anything unless it helps with breakpoints. The toughness one is better

[shrewd flax]

why going so far to take melee nodes?

[tacit sonnet]

Because they are good?

[past stratus]

Trench Fighter

[tacit sonnet]

You could also get suppression immunity I guess

Doesn't sound too bad

[shrewd flax]

i think kill zone and opening salvo are better for a gun focued build

[tacit sonnet]

I forget suppression exists because I play with recons exclusively whenever I decide to play vet

[past stratus]

I'd just get the toughness node from Focus target or Field Improv

or Demo team if you like more grenades

[tacit sonnet]

demo team is also a choice

[past stratus]

demo team is probably the most standard choice there yeah

[gilded rock]

On autoguns and recon any damage buff is nice because pretty much any damage buff means less bullets used/TTK

I believe that build is for autoguns no?

[past stratus]

it is but even without doing the math I think that adding a small 10% or whatever temporary buff you get with that shit, it is going to make each bullet go from 20 damage to 22 or some shit like that

while any other node we mentioned has a more tangible benefit

[warm schooner]

I would much rather go exec stance for auto guns

[hollow ibex]

The Build tm

[warm schooner]

and lean more into the ranged side of things

they will feel a lot better with some investment

rather than slop weapons into a cookie cutter build

[past stratus]

it probably depends on the difficulty

[warm schooner]

if anyone is asking that kind of question I assume they aren't playing havoc

[covert dagger]

Field Improv is so underrated.

"It doesn't help kill stuff!"

[steel veldt]

I'll run funny shout but can't wait to try infiltrate tbh

[past stratus]

I like field improv too but it is a bit situational

[covert dagger]

"Situational" like .... anytime someone heals? OR picks up ammo?

How is that "situational?" I though that word meant stuff like water breathing in WoW.

[stable socket]

there are (iirc) 2 medkits and 2 ammo crates per run

so you get a certain amount of value out of them, depending on how well you pick the time and place, and that's it

is that amount of value worth 1 point? depends

[past stratus]

it's situational because people won't always be corrupted or missing grenades

[stable socket]

if you have oggy with frag bomb on your team it's probably worth it tbh

[covert dagger]

You guys are insane. Young gamers are weird.

[past stratus]

imo it is good to have and I'd love to be able to afford it in every build

[warm schooner]

with how tight builds are on vet it's very playstyle dependent I would say. With a lot of people arguing it's not worth it

[past stratus]

the problem isn't the talent it's vets taxed shitty talent tree

[gilded rock]

Shredder spam build loves demo team and field improv

It's the ONLY time I'll greed an ammo crate instead of greeding med crate like I usually do

[stable socket]

it depends, some situations are salvageable with kits/crates but in high havoc usually when i lose it's because the situation deterioriated so quickly that kits/crates wouldn't have saved us

[warm schooner]

I've only thought field improv was nice to have the vast majority of times I've been around it

[covert dagger]

"Instakill sweatmode difficulties have weird emergent gameplay. More news at 11."

[stable socket]

it's always a net positive, especially if you have teammates who take chip corruption from melee

[warm schooner]

yeah it's just not guaranteed if you get at a moment if you do need it

and when you do need it, the team is probably fucked to begin with if you needed three ogryn frag bombs to clear a situation

[past stratus]

the problem is field improv competing with Demolition stockpile

[gilded rock]

I take all three

[past stratus]

imagine if it was here

[gilded rock]

Not on normal builds, mind

[past stratus]

or here, instead of Deadshit

[sleek garden]

Field improv just feels like a nice bonus

but I'd pass it up for constant grenades any time

[primal zealot]

this is the objectively correct take

[sleek garden]

With demo team and the other one that has a chance to replenish a grenade on elite kills you can get quite a few grenades in every fight

I've tossed up to six in a minute

[covert dagger]

"Guys, if you bypass 90% of the builds and focus on only one way to fight the fight, 90% of talents suck! More news at 11?"

I need to get off this Discord. Like, legit I don't understand the direction gaming has gone. old man grumble

[warm schooner]

are you okay?

do you need a nap?

[gilded rock]

It's not 11 yet and we're already getting more news

Sweet

[past stratus]

no one is even saying the talent is bad lmao

lots of people including myself, pick it often

[warm schooner]

people can disagree on how to play and still both be okay, no need to mald

[past stratus]

I literally pick whenever I play with my friend because he likes it and I find that with communication I always get value from it

[tall torrent]

It’s still not competitive enough vs CaB

[covert dagger]

Just got up. I am gonna go cream my polyps and play a support vet non sweat like. grumble

And yeah, disagreement can be fine, I don't care if people liked quake railgun matches, but I am slightly sad that the philosophy behind them is mainstream now.

[tall torrent]

It would need to be placed into like
The same row&branch as fully loaded

Then it’s ~same value

[covert dagger]

It's the reason I hated Necromunda. I don't want my character to bypass basic infantry tactics because I can run at 40mph.

And that's a playstyle, sadly a playstyle that's heavily discouraged among the more successful players. Hence I am sangry.

[sleek garden]

That sounds horrible but you should take an infantry lasgun and go away down the left tree

[sleek garden]

Isn't that a single player game

[covert dagger]

Oh yeah, but the mechanics are pretty traditional mover shooter.

[sleek garden]

why do you care what other people meta on a single player game

Aren't you a super bounty hunter anyway

In the game

[past stratus]

I can empathize with the idea that thematic fun things should be the go to. Heck I leveled my Veteran with only playing Dagger, shovel and Lasguns, I ignored every single weapon until I was 30.

[sleek garden]

I tried the knife in this game but I don't really like it much

[warm schooner]

I have a pretty firm stance on encouraging non meta builds and often advocate for them, but I also play high havoc primarily and there's a baseline of efficiency that has to be accounted for

[covert dagger]

So. Much. Clicking.

[past stratus]

But after you get bored of the larp, and start to want to experiment with builds and optimize then you learn a few sad truths

not all talents/guns are good

[sleek garden]

I really wouldn't use havoc as a baseline

[warm schooner]

I don't, that's just my bias

I assume anything can work in auric

and that's the feedback I build around when giving advice in auric or below

[covert dagger]

Oh yeah, I weep for my inflas. And I would never expect a basic one shot rifle to be as "good" as say, a bolter. But it should be viable. And as i stands with what ... 50 to 60% of the game being basically sweatmode ... A vast majority of themed and lore accurate weapons aren't viable.

[sleek garden]

Some blessings in havoc just don't work

[covert dagger]

Also, a LARP is where you're there in person. It's not a LARP. 8)

[past stratus]

I think people have a twisted notion of difficulty these days, I'd say everything works but you will need to be way better to make things work after Heresy. I know because I played with new players when the patch came up and we went through all the difficulties

[covert dagger]

I say this as someone who gets accused of larping.

[past stratus]

and it is not as sleeper as the epic havoc gamers in this discord make it be lmao

[past stratus]

no I said I was larping, because I was

[steel veldt]

Lasgun or Autogun?

[covert dagger]

O.o You .... larp 40k?

[past stratus]

I only played things that I considered traditional guard gear

on my Vet

I didn't touch any gun that wasn't a las/something until recently basically

[sleek garden]

I want to use devils claw in havoc

[covert dagger]

I have three builds. Bog standard trooper, lorewise.

Scout Trooper, more supporty but lorewise OK.

"Budding Interrogator" - Goof off.

[sleek garden]

after a certain point the devils claw just doesn't work

[covert dagger]

Ooooooh, man. The braced autogun totally ffeels like a cannon fodder weapon. Also, if you use a door way you can clear a wave of poxers with like 25 rounds.

[past stratus]

I very begrudgingly leveled Plasma, last week. Because I think the idea of a guard carrying a Plasma gun pretty silly

[covert dagger]

I think it should have a movement debuff.

And a bigass energy pack. Could see it as a "bunker buster" since we don't get flamers.

Talk about another fun weapon! I once had someone recommend a stagger build with it. It was interesting! Couldn't mke it work, but very interesting to play.

[sleek garden]

I think the plasma gun would be really fun if it has more passive cooling and higher heat generation on shots

Make it the ultimate quick draw annihilator

Like the revolver

[covert dagger]

OR have a ooldown but it levels a whole corridor. Ogryn shotty style.

[past stratus]

I'm too much of a shitter to think about gun balance, I leave those things to smart people like bath

my impression of the short time I spent with the plasma was that the Range is a bit stupid. They should nerf the range of the normal shot and make it so the charge made it longer

[covert dagger]

I don't care about "balance" per se. I just want to play the game in the theme I bought it. 8( In any case. Polyp time

[livid hill]

whats the opinion on both barrel for super shotgun

the blessing

[sleek garden]

serbu super shorty

[tame lodge]

Power Maul power surge

[sleek garden]

Please don't tell us about your polyps

Power maul is fun though

[covert dagger]

Cool. If I see you wasting both shots I am reporting you to Hadron for ammo waste. But really cool. I love watching people just turn a corridor to paste with it.

[covert dagger]

Por que no los dos?

[tall torrent]

Really fun even tho it’s not the strongest way to build it on veteran
(But is like the 2nd most optimal tbh)

[red robin]

horrific flak adm and harder cleave modifiers sounds nightmarish

[sleek garden]

It only cleaves 2 people on a heavy

It cannot proc rampage or savage sweep

It's useless at its only role

[red robin]

hell on earth

[tame lodge]

We keep saying that flak adm is horrible

But the flak cleave damage distribution is worse

[sleek garden]

Really I don't think it's a terrible issue

[red robin]

light atks on claw do less dmg than combat knife punch on flak

[sleek garden]

especially since it's so bad in general that it's better to swipe legs on scab shooters/dreg bruisers

[red robin]

exploit weakness talent pretty ok on claw

[livid hill]

its so fun

[red robin]

shred makes it pretty decent

[mortal aspen]

speaking of combat knife, which is the better mark and is it as op as it seems to be?
with uncanny and bleed I can light attack a crusher and kill it faster than with taxe

what's the catch

[sleek garden]

I take savage sweep and rampage

It's pretty good at hordes

When there's bruisers you just adjust your aim slightly

[red robin]

feels hard to use without cleave blessings

[tame lodge]

😭

[red robin]

i take helbore with hotshot tier 1 to cheat my way into usefulness with the claw (reduces hitmass by 80% on headshot so bit more decent cleave to skip blessings for shred)

[sleek garden]

Now look at unpowered power sword

[tame lodge]

You can also heavy attack/push attack spam its head and kill it even faster

[sleek garden]

I think other weapons might just be too good at cleaving through solid metal sometimes

[tame lodge]

No bleed

[mortal aspen]

2 crits means the bleed ticks for 200 on a crusher

[sleek garden]

that's diabolical

[mortal aspen]

that's kinda crayzee

and which knife is the better one?

[tame lodge]

6

Better horde options

10% faster push attack

[mortal aspen]

I see

also, I'm actually testing shredder nades for the first time, and they don't even kill groaners

🤔

[tame lodge]

1 doesn't do much

Throw a second one

[mortal aspen]

I'm always throwing at least two in missions, yeah

[unreal nova]

Use 2 to clear rooms. 1 is to soften unless you are running some hilariously dumb build to minmax the boom and bleed damage.

[stable socket]

i think bleed damage scaling via stacks is very high until you hit a soft cap, i.e. 8 bleed from 2 nades will do way more than double the damage of 4 bleed from 1 nade. idk what the actual numbers look like tho

edit: is it 6/12? i may be conflating it with ogryn heavies which are 4

[covert dagger]

It also helps if someone else chucks one too.

[past stratus]

if you have a team with good horde clear, you can throw one each major engagement then watch your Arby or Oggy cleave through that shit

[covert dagger]

Like when you open a breach and two people chuck grenades ... and then yeah, your melees can murder them. Doesn't get you stats though.

[tall torrent]

6 per frag

[stable socket]

nice

[covert dagger]

I just realized something, bath! You're thinking in terms of "hardware problems" and I think in "software problems." I think PLAYERS should adopt smart tactics (thematically) and you obviously think better tools make levels go smoother.

[steep flower]

Good but not always needed

[past stratus]

I use double grenades for hordes of really chonky enemies like ogryns and lots and lots of maulers

[tame lodge]

12 stacks of bleed should deal ~1k dmg

To those

Where's the bleed table when we want it

[unreal nova]

Throw in Skirmisher buffs, heh.

[tame lodge]

Skirmisher

https://tenor.com/view/you-made-those-words-up-soldier-boy-jensen-ackles-the-boys-blasphemy-gif-26043524

[unreal nova]

It is more funni boom damage.

I'm actually serious but also memeing.

[shrewd flax]

is it agreed that veteran is the weakest class?

[tall torrent]

No?

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[vague wigeon]

As people said before - 1 isn't enough.

And most likely you don't want to just throw them around (Unless you play Morris trials), savi g for situation where you can benefit from their stagger

[tame lodge]

Yes and no

[vague wigeon]

For reviving, or staggering ogryn enemies

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/its-strange-doctor-strange-bennedict-cumberbatch-gif-13875263

[vague wigeon]

Yep

It

If darktide were moba

I'd say that everyone is a hero

While vet is pretty powerful item

[unreal nova]

Vet is pos 5.

[vague wigeon]

Pos?

[unreal nova]

Position.

[vague wigeon]

I'd say rather item

[unreal nova]

Look, you claim to know MOBAs but don't know pos 1-5?

[vague wigeon]

You want vet for aura and toughness ability

[vague wigeon]

Yeah, because I didn't played dota

Only worst and best games in the genre

LoL and HotS, respectively

[warm kettle]

vet might be the weakest on paper but I think its my favorite now

[unreal nova]

Pos 1 is oggy/psyker, pos 2 oggy, pos 3 Arby, pos 4 book zealot/hybird vet, pos 5 hard book zealot/team support vet

[warm kettle]

sure im not doing high level havocs but I feel like the game becomes something else at a certain level

[vague wigeon]

Kinda same. Still love it, tho I play only arby lately

[mortal aspen]

I like vet purely because of weapon specialist

the only redeeming quality, but it makes it worth playing

[warm kettle]

I like support vet, but weapon specialist is a new fave of mine too

[vague wigeon]

And at this point i really begin to question my earlier take that arby is OP

[stable socket]

if a game goes south in havoc i feel like vet has pretty low clutch potential, but vet is very useful to stop things getting out of control because of low CD shout + easy special deletion + ammo printing meaning everyone can be more liberal with guns

[vague wigeon]

It might be that other just badly designed

[unreal nova]

Lol wut. HotS best? Lmao. LoL being worst is mostly the devs behind it. Mobile Legends is LoL but pay2win.

Skins provide stats.

[tame lodge]

LoL is not the worst because it has ARAM

certified ARAM main moment

[warm kettle]

I'm holding off on buying arbites until it gets a few balance patches, among other things I dont want to buy in and get mega nerfed immediately

[tame lodge]

Don't worry