veteran-class

[narrow frost]

I know

I did it for funnies

[empty aurora]

I mean those would be cool but also I absolutely wouldn't complain about vet getting a bigass polearm

[hollow ibex]

prob more of a zealot weapon tbh

[narrow frost]

@faint beacon wake....

making nuke

to bomb natives

[empty aurora]

Well that model is called "death world Veteran" and I think a melee weapon that's often used in massed combat would be pretty fitting for the representative of the Astra Militarum

[jaunty tinsel]

Death World guard are far from the norm

[empty aurora]

I still think it would be cool of Vet got a super cool 2 handed weapon like the Zealot and Psyker did

[hollow ibex]

breaching axe

[sharp ingot]

what be a good blessing for power sword besides power cycler?

[narrow frost]

Try out brutal momentum for mk6 or sunder for mk3

[sharp ingot]

📝

[hollow ibex]

but don't drop pc4

you bick either sunder or brumentum, don't take both

[grand perch]

certified early morning maelstrom moment

[narrow frost]

No Goku 😔

[stiff glacier]

Managed to nail auric storm survivor

[hollow axle]

What is the best range weapon for havoc if i'm using VoC and Psword ?

[hollow axle]

What is the best mark ?

[warm schooner]

ps mk6 is the preferred option due to its light attack pattern and push attack's effectiveness on crushers and other armored targets

ranged with ps6, can do plasma or bolt pistol if you want to do a grenade build

there are other options but those are the most meta safe I would say

[hollow axle]

How ? With grenades ?

[warm schooner]

helbore or laspistol do nutty boss damage with the right setups

kraks are kind of a trap tbh

ps6 with marksman active can utterly destroy some bosses if you push attack into the weak point (need precision strikes and some other pieces too)

[lost silo]

why helbore mk5 is the shittiest out of the 3

[warm schooner]

damage per shot potential is too low iirc for the higher difficulties

mk3a or mk4 are preferred (I would say 4 is ideal for high havoc if you can consistently land your shots)

[grand perch]

mk4 my beloved

[stiff glacier]

I love my 2 taps on crushers with mk4

[grand perch]

*1 tap 🤌

[lost silo]

what's the best dps weapon for vet

both melee and ranged

[warm schooner]

frag grenade

[steep flower]

Rather; make a build with weapons that complement eachothers weaknesses & strenghts; we could say ‚ugh use plasma & dueling sword duh!’ For example but in reality your horde management & clear gonna be mid at best if you catch my meaning

[lost silo]

helbore and power sword ?

also is it ok to not have a keystone on vet

[steep flower]

Quite good; your mobility is gonna be dogshit tho… if you get cornered you are more likely to get fked cause psword can only attack (push att is no cc)

[steep flower]

Its acceptable

[lost silo]

is vet the only class that can still run well without a keystone

[warm schooner]

I would not pair helbore and power sword together because both their wind up times are significant

[steep flower]

Pretty much

[warm schooner]

it's going to feel extremely clunky to play, and yes mobility issues

helbore is also going to want investment in more ranged and ps is going to want more investment in melee

you can run ps without melee related talents for example, but it's potential is going to be really lacking

[lost silo]

what about helbore and chainsword

[hollow axle]

What is the best support Veteran build ?

[warm schooner]

chainsword is a RP pick

to be blunt

[steep flower]

Chainsword is right now the worst melee weapon

[lost silo]

what is rp

[warm schooner]

role playing

[lost silo]

what about chainaxe

[steep flower]

I would not recommend chainaxe to a new player

[lost silo]

i'll just stick to ps then

[steep flower]

It takes some doing but very potent

[warm schooner]

as a warning, ps6 is a hard weapon to learn to use right as well

[grand perch]

The one with which you kill the most stuff

Probably with VoC included

[junior grail]

Hunting Lance, a polearm with limited use explosive tip

[steep flower]

More like; what can i do to be the most supportive to my team; answer is simple; do your job as vet aka kill specials/elites & ranged units

[warm schooner]

I would say the best vet weapon to learn vet melee on would be rashad if you get the right setup

rashad with weapon specialist and paired with a fast swap weapon is a good baseline

super forgiving, amazing clear, easy attack pattern

[junior grail]

I really hope Fatshark next step is fixing existing classes

Don't mind a new weapon or even weapon mark

[steep flower]

Zel is on the menu first

He has it worse

[warm schooner]

Zel needs it more for sure

fucking abysmal tree

[junior grail]

Yea of course

I dont wanna run knives anymore... I'm tired...

[warm schooner]

you're going to take that duelist node and you're gonna like it

[steep flower]

Make immolation grenades stack actual burn DoT… it will make them infinitelly better

[teal canyon]

Chainsword is ok with dbarrel weapon master due to ability to rev it for speed

[warm schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

[steep flower]

Rev for speed blessing is not really that great; better get bloodletter/wrath

[teal canyon]

Play as scout tf2 with chainsword/axe

[warm schooner]

scout did more melee damage

than you will with chainsword

[steep flower]

Fitting cause you use chainsword like a bat

[teal canyon]

Ye

[warm schooner]

double jump would be sick though

imagine zealot with double jump

[steep flower]

That hurt me

[lost silo]

what make the chainsword bad tho

[warm schooner]

it's only really good against the horde, its armor damage is awful

and the special is really mediocre

[junior grail]

Smaul for baseballbat rp

[lost silo]

so basically power sword outclassed it in everyway

[warm schooner]

yes

it's not even close

[lost silo]

between mk9 and mk7 lasgun, what would you choose

[junior grail]

Imagine if Vet VoC was reworked to actually command a npc guardsman to join up

[warm schooner]

neither tbh, but if I had to: mk9

[lost silo]

okah

[warm schooner]

I think that's the right one

[junior grail]

I've not touched lasguns in forever

[warm schooner]

they changed the numbers awhile back for some reason

yeah lasguns were so much better before the massive increase in enemy numbers

you can make them work but they're not my first pick

[lost silo]

mark 9 = slow rof high damage
mark 7 = med rof still high damage
mark 2 = fast rof medicore damage

[junior grail]

On lower diff lasguns are viable

[warm schooner]

mk9 then

mk7 might be okay but def not the mk2, that thing jumps around like crazy

[junior grail]

I think I prefered the mark 7 but mark 2 is funny as its trying to be a recon lasgun

[warm schooner]

I would reccomend laspistol mk2 or mk10 over the lasguns tbh

[junior grail]

They really shouldn't have that much recoil being laser guns

I only ever use laspistols and recons ...SOMETIMES helbore

[warm schooner]

I'd suggest helbore to a new player if I wanted them to stop playing the game

[junior grail]

I really have no idea how they gonna mke helbore more viable

[warm schooner]

swap speed change was good, reflex sights or less obtrusive irons would be better

aside from that, probably need to make left side tree more forgiving

skill floor is too high on higher diffs

only people I see use exec stance well in high havoc are 2k+ hour sweatlords

[teal canyon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f651355-3330-4826-b798-e66b88b41242/force-o-nature

Rp as freaking scout

[grand nymph]

Which Infantry Lasgun Mk is the best? Cant seem to find out which is better

[teal canyon]

Run fast, shoot gun. Never reload

[steep flower]

Bruv its cracked wdym stop the cap

[warm schooner]

viable for people who aren't darktide gods Papa

[junior grail]

Ehhhh

[teal canyon]

Just give it charge based cleave or backward charge mechanic

[quiet valley]

Yup the Helbore is bad guys, needs more buffs, haha, give me more buffs fatshark

[warm schooner]

buff tree not weapons

if anything remove weapons

a lot of dead weapons right now in the arsenal

[junior grail]

If you would remove a ranged and melee weapon form Darktide, what would it be?

[teal canyon]

Hold to charge, release to shoot is fukking stupid

[junior grail]

If they change that, I might like it more

[quiet valley]

Genuinely its giving the Las-Pistol MkX a run for its money for best vet ranged weapon atm. It's crazy what you can do with the Helbore.

[warm schooner]

achyls combat axe and probably the three round burst vigilant

the entire vigilant line kind of has an identity crisis

[junior grail]

That'd true, I actually forgot about the Vigilants

Even Autopistol has more identity than them

[warm schooner]

yup

[grand perch]

Wut

[teal canyon]

Look, dangerous enemy, let me slowly pull weapon and turn it on with annoying animation, then waste second for charge and then miss because enemy siderolled to the slot space

[steep flower]

None

[grand perch]

50 cleave uncharged shot, 100 charged

[steep flower]

Skill issue

[grand perch]

Achlys combat axe can go away in my book

[teal canyon]

Oh, oh. Barrel. Let me pull out it again because i instantly pull it back and turned it off

[junior grail]

Granted they did increase the swap speed so that feels a bit better

But it's still not a good reactionary weapon in a pinch

[warm schooner]

helbore isn't meant to be a reactionary weapon?

[teal canyon]

Turning the switch on helbore after every hikup like barrel exploding give me rage

[grand perch]

Also it's about 0.7 seconds until you can aim or charge the weapon

That's not slow

[junior grail]

Plasma also takes time after swapping and firing but it still feels better than helbore

[teal canyon]

Wth is even that switch? Why its turning itself off? Does helbore have a servobrain inside to turn himself off when i dont using it?

[warm schooner]

I loathe firing the plasma so much

fuck that initial delay

on every shot

[teal canyon]

Imo, bolter is better helbore

[quiet valley]

Guys the Helbore is an infinite ammo weapon with the ability to punch through carapace.

What are we not getting here?

[warm schooner]

you have to aim it

[quiet valley]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-emoji-emoji-chorando-emoji-cry-cry-gif-25060390

Vets when they have to aim

[teal canyon]

So is my knife

[warm schooner]

bolter feels great to spam into horde

QED

[teal canyon]

It have 0 suppression

[quiet valley]

I'd like to see your knife 1-tap Bulwarks and Reapers from 75m+ in H40

[teal canyon]

It slow

[hollow axle]

I'm searching for something using improved medipack, VoC, regen allies Toughness. Really a support oriented Veteran.

But I dont know where to find a build like this, what weapons to use and what grenades

[teal canyon]

Combat shotgun

Bolter

[quiet valley]

Needs ammo pickups, better boss burst dmg, worse carapace option, very bad specialist killer with the amount of reloading you will be doing.

[teal canyon]

Anyway i value ability to shutup horde of shooters more than killing one guy every day

[quiet valley]

You can just about subtract your reload time to the Helbore's draw speed. (Which is very fast now)

[teal canyon]

Besides, i hate overoptimise for damage

[quiet valley]

what

[teal canyon]

Monkey big numbah

[grand perch]

Very chuddy

[quiet valley]

I hate doing dmg guys

[hollow axle]

Did you got answers ?

[teal canyon]

Look guys, i can onetap big guy with 30% chance

[steep flower]

Now it kinda is tho

[warm schooner]

I mean I guess

[tame lodge]

Not 0

Lol

[warm schooner]

compared to before

[quiet valley]

?

[warm schooner]

more like 100% chance

[steep flower]

Can talk to ya tonight about it in the vc; you up for it?

[safe kiln]

helbore is great

[warm schooner]

just don't miss and have exec stance ready

[quiet valley]

you dont need Exec stance or MMF to 1-tap Reapers in H40 either

[warm schooner]

also true

[tame lodge]

Casual Helbore W

As always

[teal canyon]

I rather be useful in more way to the team than just killing scary guys from long distance. My madguy with big powersword need a breather to get to this horde of gunners and rip them a new one

[warm schooner]

you have some interesting prejudices

[tame lodge]

Just say that you like bolter more than helby

No need to go through hoops and shit

[quiet valley]

I think you just need more time on the weapon, really give it a try.

[teal canyon]

Autogun work too

[hollow axle]

I Come back to my house in two days !

[teal canyon]

Its okay. And that's it.

Like... C tier

[quiet valley]

Wild take but ok

[tame lodge]

Now that's bait

[upper prism]

oh god I wish to have full auto Kantrael mg4 without crazy recoil...
My scope start to dance every burst shot

[teal canyon]

When i play other classes and see helbore vet im not thrilled

[tame lodge]

When I play psyker and I see literally any other class I'm not thrilled

[teal canyon]

But i do babysit them from hordes anyway

[quiet valley]

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this Havoc Tier list then.

[stable socket]

is there a guide for h40 weapon breakpoints? i'm running maniac unarmored on my plasma because a random guide on the internet said it hits special bps and so far it does, but i'm wondering if maniac actually changes anything & am too scared to bring the wrong perks into havoc

i know that rampaging enemies drops me below 1sbs breakpoint for trappers so i'm guessing maniac does change a little bit at least

[quiet valley]

Its pretty hard to build BPs for Havoc, due to buffs/debuffs going up and down all the time

[stable socket]

fair

[steep flower]

In 2 days then!

[teal canyon]

Half of those weapons are so bad i forgot they exist. As is, i think the only saving grace lasguns have is ammo efficientcy. Besides, putting everything in S tier is shitty way of tierlisting

[distant mural]

Idk seems to be all over the place imo 😂

S tier looks ok but revolver in f seems a bit too much

[warm schooner]

accatran shotgun in C tier

[distant mural]

Also heavy laspistol S tier?

[warm schooner]

papa is never going to forgive you

[quiet valley]

I got 2300+ True Level on Vet and i've tried just about every weapon combo the class has to offer. Everything in A and above would be weapons I would recommend for H40.

[warm schooner]

heavy laspistol is definitely S tier in h40

[steep flower]

Putting fan revolver in D, accatran in C & Dbarrel in A is diabolical

[stiff glacier]

Headhunter autoguns

[quiet valley]

You can use weapons under A tier, and win 40s, but for newer players I wouldn't recommend. D tier weapons are trolling your team tho.

[steep flower]

Fan revolver is by no means trolling your team; try it more

[stiff glacier]

I refuse

350 damage doesnt cut it for me

[distant mural]

Idk revolver is super strong imo

[warm schooner]

zarona or agri

[distant mural]

Also shoots thru enemys

The one that lets u use sights

[quiet valley]

I'll give it another shot, feel free to link me a build or smth, I just felt the kill power for and use case for the amount of ammo spent just didnt do much for Vet.

[warm schooner]

also they heavily nerfed the zarona cleave

the ammo efficiency on it is pretty mid on havoc now as a result

especially with the hitmass modifications like rampaging or mobian 21st

[grand perch]

I would agree, but I only ever used it in boss deletion meme build

[distant mural]

I think its still very good for what the vet does in havoc.

[warm schooner]

and agri has like no cleave

there are better special deletion options that offer more upside than zarona in havoc

I would 100% take bolt pistol over it if I were sweating

[grand perch]

I don't see it personally. Agrip revolver is fantastic at unyielding damage, so it's great against bulwarks reapers and non-captain bosses.
Not tremendously useful?

[distant mural]

I hate bolt pistol compared to revolver

[steep flower]

For vet i can agree but for other classes that are heavier focused on melee then ho boi

[distant mural]

Id take a spearhead over a revolver bit not bolt pistol

[quiet valley]

Its a Vet tierlist

[teal canyon]

Do you play with weapons customisation or vanilla?

[quiet valley]

vanilla

[steep flower]

Nvm scratch that; it is alright for WS (and since you will be mostly melee with WS it becomes even better cause fan revolver is a reaction/unyielding/quick burst weapon); you pull it out when you stun a bulwark/see reapers/fight bosses & can easily hit weakspots

So D is understatement; B i’d say, same for accatran shotty & Dbarrel

[steep flower]

I just made a theroerital build (and no you don’t need extra nodes for WS; keystone itself is enough)

[warm schooner]

field improv

scabs is gonna love that

[steep flower]

Always take

[quiet valley]

I'll try it (without field improv), this is for 40s right?

[steep flower]

Ofc; i only think of H40 when i make builds or explain stuff

[quiet valley]

I like to seperate a bit between Auric and 40 stuff, some things are a lot of fun in Auric but I wouldn't bring to 40s

[steep flower]

If you wont use field improv (you should for grenades…) then i guess you can take reciprocity aswell? Maybe even cut marksman & get one motion & out for blood if you die too much but then you lose alot of dmg. Basically when a boss comes; you shout to stagger it when you are infront of it & magdump his head

[steep flower]

As for melee; rashad will be perfect

[steep flower]

Headtaker Brutal with Unyielding & Cara
For Fan revolver; crit chance & unyielding, trickshooter & crucian roulette blessings

[steep flower]

Come to think of it do take reciprocity if you wont take field improv; you get better crits for both weapons that is dont take away Close Quater Killzone

[scenic basin]

What's the set up for MK4?

[warm schooner]

blessings: surgical + weight of fire/no respite/falter

perks: carapace + unyielding

dump stability

[hollow axle]

Thanks in advance !

[warm schooner]

scabs has a helbore build that is good somewhere around here

have to choose if you want to use exec stance or voc though

[scenic basin]

Will it one tap gunners on havoc?

[warm schooner]

yeah, might need some kind of steroid help like MMF or FT sometimes due to mods

[steep flower]

Will add you on discord so none will forget

[warm schooner]

with exec stance it will just wreck

people will make more comments, and frankly most pugs need the yellow toughness

[scenic basin]

Not taking VoC in havoc is kinda trolling

[warm schooner]

eh

I don't mind venting shriek on psykers for the same reason as I think exec stance is good

sometimes deleting things faster is preferable if people know how to position

oftentimes though people in havoc have no idea where to stand or when to run etc.

since a lot of that requires game sense and playing off other people correctly in a highly dynamic situation where you have to make a split second call

and one tapping crushers at range without having to trade melee actions is valuable

if only because controlling the front line is more predictable when there are less front line targets

sometimes people have no idea what they're doing in melee or panic and they drop a crusher overhead on someone or spin the sword boss into you mid combo

[scenic basin]

So something like this with the tree I posted earlier?

[warm schooner]

worth considering picking those up

the damage boost team node on FT is arguably not as beneficial as these

[scenic basin]

Instead of Desperado and Recirocity?

[warm schooner]

also a possiblity, if you want to go ranged focus hard

you can get by with dueling sword with no melee talents

[scenic basin]

That's kinda my goal.Looking for a support build that's capable of long range sniping to keep my team safe while they take careof important things

[warm schooner]

but you will be heavily reliant on your team to manage trash outside shredders

btw not saying ranged only is bad

it is very viable and can be a huge asset

[scenic basin]

Maybe Psword instead of DS to take care of trash?

[warm schooner]

I think psword without the movement speed node or the movement speed aura is malpractice

your dodge distance is awful

[safe kiln]

i wont touch the psword without weapon spec

[scenic basin]

idk if it's my set up but DS takes a bit of time to clear trash mobs out

[safe kiln]

consider heavy sword

[scenic basin]

I'm taling havoc ofc

[safe kiln]

DS is mediocre at horde clear

[warm schooner]

DS weakness is the trash clear is mid

I use agile on mine so I can just dodge tank

[steep flower]

Can talk in vc tonight & help ya decide if you wanna

[livid fractal]

Lucius las any good

[warm schooner]

because the horde clear is never going to be good enough with DS on h40

[steep flower]

Top tier

[livid fractal]

oh hell yeah!

might actually run it

[scenic basin]

it's good but can be hard to play and requires game sense and good positioning

[livid fractal]

is Kantrael any good rn

i know it flits between amazing and garbage

[warm schooner]

I wouldn't take it in h40 because it needs the suppression immunity node unlike laspistol or helbore

[scenic basin]

Just stick to either MK4 or MK3 for Helbore @livid fractal

[warm schooner]

and you will be eating a ton of fire when counterfiring against gunners and small shooters

[safe kiln]

you prob take ghost on the lasgun no?

[warm schooner]

but you can make it work

[livid fractal]

i havent gotten remotely close to h40

[warm schooner]

nah, don't need ghost

CAB and Confirmed Kill are enough

with dodging

and VoC (if you have it)

[scenic basin]

Sure. I'd love some feedback and advice

[steep flower]

Nice; will add ya on discord & let you know once i come back home

[scenic basin]

I'm totally free in about 4 hours

for the rest of the day

[livid fractal]

what kantrael mark is best rn

also is Vraaks viable at all

[warm schooner]

probably mk9 for kantrael, haven't tried the mk7 in a long time

vigilants are viable with MMF and/or exec

can be turned into one tap machines

[livid fractal]

oh my gods the weapon customization mod makes helbores not feel like ass

[steep flower]

I will be working 5h for sure, dunno after that

[tall torrent]

Just hitting them with good weapons

[tall torrent]

It’s not bad whatsoever
Just the other two hit higher breakpoints especially for havoc

[scenic basin]

A lot of people don't see the difference between "worse" and "bad" these days

[tall torrent]

Swap FTE for born leader (same row)
Rest seem ok to me idk what u were missing to get reciprocity + desperado

With helbore’s most recent buff u can even run them with WS

[scenic basin]

had to trade FTE + 2 trashy nodes for reciprociry and desperado

Loosing FTe kinda hurt

[tall torrent]

FTE is pretty mid anyway

You shouldn’t take more than 1 talent in that row for middle branch

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f651e11-6cba-46c4-acb5-2fce3dfdd310/h40-shoutbore

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ef01385-1188-4318-a15d-91e8fa71cd21/h40-helbore-iv

These are what I run for H40

[scenic basin]

Armorbane? I was told it's pretty mid not too long ago

[quiet valley]

Use Armorbane/No Respite

Either dont really matter but I've been using No Respite lately

This is Shoutbore H40 I just ran

[tall torrent]

It is

No respite also pretty mid on helbore

It’s way too conditional of a blessing for this gun

[quiet valley]

Shoutbore

What it comes down to is that all the Blessings besides Surgical are mid, and you can pick your own flavor of mid and it won't really matter. No Respite is my new favorite though

It reallly pumps your boss dps and lets you pick off enemies that are on the floor with their heads obscured.

[tall torrent]

Falter/hotshot/WoF are imo the better picks

[warm schooner]

hotshot is still bugged right?

[tall torrent]

Yea

Not the buggiest thing they’ve released yet

[quiet valley]

Falter = Why?
Hotshot = pretty good but MkIV has good cleave and melee support for it is mid at best.
WoF = Really puts off your shot cadence and messes with Surgical stacks.

[scenic basin]

what's the bug with hotshot?

[quiet valley]

Affects your melee

Also use T1 over T4

[warm schooner]

t1 is strongest, t4 is weakest

very intuitive

[grand perch]

Nothing wrong with wof imo

Helps with dealing with smaller shooters and everything where you don't need the crit

[quiet valley]

I agree actually, if you like it, its good. I'm just a better shooter with I can get into a shot cadence.

[pallid jetty]

What is hotshot

[tall torrent]

Falter gives flamer/bomber stagger in case u don’t 1 tap (which is a real thing)

Hotshot 1 is 5x effective cleave with weakspot, going from 3 to 15 is a pretty big difference

[scenic basin]

Bruh I've only now realized that Opening salvo and Shock trooper interact like that

wtf

[quiet valley]

Falter I dont think is worth it at all imo, Hotshot is ok, but not my pref

2nd blessings are all flavors of mid, take your pick

[tall torrent]

Falter is pure insurance

There’s actually a super cursed way to run IIIa

Infernus actually hits 1 breakpoint for it

Elite + infernus gets over unarmored

For Dreg gunner 1hs

It doesn’t hit tox bomber 1 tap tho

So I don’t recommend infernus still

[hollow axle]

Which are ?

[tall torrent]

Rashad
Power sword
Boltgun

[hollow axle]

No Recon or Plasma ?

[tall torrent]

Plasma is not a boss damage gun

Recon can shoot at boss but it’s not that fast

[hollow axle]

Nor laspistol ?

[tall torrent]

Usually just for poking BoN from afar

[tall torrent]

Laspistol can be built for it

But it’s usually not worth building for

Takes a meme build essentially

[hollow axle]

BoN ?

[tall torrent]

Beast of nurgle

[warm schooner]

works super well for a meme

[safe kestrel]

Disclaimer because I’m newer but I too notice the game rewards you more damage on boss with melee

[warm schooner]

some of the fastest boss killing weapons are ranged

[hollow axle]

Do you have a support vet build ?

[warm schooner]

though some of the best are literally memes (see agri revolver full boss damage builds)

[compact oracle]

depends on the weapon, depends on the attack, different ones have different damage to unyielding (which is what bosses count as)

although maybe theres a hidden melee modifier, never checked

[tall torrent]

Why do u want to play support vet

[normal bay]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-brooklyn-nine-nine-grenades-anger-weapon-gif-16979865

[tall torrent]

It depends

[normal bay]

Support your team through explosives

[tall torrent]

Grenade build is not “support vet” lol

[warm schooner]

I don't even know what "support vet" means

I just see a lot of new people say it over and over

[compact oracle]

grenade vets are support because they inflict the best debuff in darktide

death

[normal bay]

It means they don't want to do their share of the damage lol

[warm schooner]

I buff my team faster and better when I shoot specials and elites in the head

I therefore maximize my ability to shoot things in the head

[hollow axle]

This is my thing and I love that

[safe kestrel]

My war theory on darktide is something like this:

Zealot and ogryn are actually the front liners. They should use specials (fury) or ranged (stubber etc) to help on ranged and specialists

Vet and psyker are ranged focused. They have good ranged attacks. Some take longer to pull off but are worth it for damage and volume output. They can help with melee to keep the zealot and ogryn from getting overwhelmed and damaged

Long story short, it goes better when vet and psyker play to inside while zealot and ogryn play to front and back

Just my take btw no one has to agree

[stable socket]

any vet build with survivalist, shout and tactical awareness can be seen as a support build

but you can also be great at grenade spam, melee or special/ranged elite sniping on top of that (and focus target keystone also provides a bunch of free team damage)

[hollow axle]

So if you have any tips ... (VoC + improved medipack + regen tramage Toughness)

[warm schooner]

so if you do any supporting actions you are a support build?

generally speaking to make any of those actions more effective you need to kill as fast as possible

[stable socket]

Vet's best team contribution is voc spam, and the best way to do that is to kill all the specials you can get your hands (and crosshairs) on

[past stratus]

I wish I only had to pull my sword to help protect my frontline, most of the time I pull my sword to save my own skin

[warm schooner]

and vet is not only ranged focused, you can melee very effectively

it's just harder

[stable socket]

4 special kills equals one shout, more or less

[safe kestrel]

True story

[safe kestrel]

Sharing elite kills is a meta strategy too. But I don’t see a lot of people in pubs do this

[stable socket]

I think ideally you want your psyker to get as many elite kills as possible

Cuz psykinetic aura

[warm schooner]

[safe kestrel]

When I’m psyking I kill elites at a rate more than an amount and take out ones about to damage players. Then I do crowd control

[stable socket]

Otherwise anyone will do cuz nobody gets special benefits from landing the finishing blow on elites

[warm schooner]

[past stratus]

I think currently the game is to fast paced and hectic to worry about that sort of thing

[tall torrent]

U support best by killing everything efficiently & quickly

And to do that, u take inherently less “support” talents

The only support talent I think actually worth is born leader

And that’s mainly because the other 2 picks in the same row are kinda whatever

[grand perch]

common covering fire L

[fringe pelican]

Whens proper commissar outfit, pls skinnytrout

[hollow axle]

How do you do that ?

[covert dagger]

Why not?

Like, do you not like being buffed?

[fluid gust]

Hypothetical what-if scenario: what if FS rolled the "gain marksman's focus stacks when crouched" talent into MF at its core

[safe kestrel]

Basically people pick quadrants of fire. It flows naturally in game unless a player gets greedy

To be fair this also relies on people being smart enough to use choke points instead of wide open areas which tends to be 50/50 in the player base

[covert dagger]

It's super interesting. I concur. Everyone says they can't clear a horde with a range weapon, but an inflas can easily drop a horde if they're coming though a door.

[tall torrent]

Vet’s support talents are mostly super niche

[safe kestrel]

But zealot is an obvious choice for melee dedicated role because it’s always fast and first into melee anyway

[tall torrent]

Still not enough

[covert dagger]

I mean, support is niche. Yes.

[safe kestrel]

It wasn’t auric or anything but I tried this out on damnation using the bolt pistol to good effect

[tall torrent]

No, just the talents on veteran that are explicitly support-only

Like covering fire

Leave no one behind

Etc

[covert dagger]

It's handy. I use it on my pistol by walking in with the melees and headshotting. I get to look cool, everyone else gets toughness.

I guess I am wondering. What's not to like about support vets?

[safe kestrel]

I think what bath is trying to say that all vets are support vets

I think that may be a misnomer too. Ranged is probably more accurate which is why I said it

[tall torrent]

U can support ur team just fine without taking the explicitly support-only talents that are niche at best

[covert dagger]

Huh. I am gonna have to play around with being a support vet sans support talents.

This is new to me.

[safe kestrel]

This is interesting to hear vet mains feel that way

[tall torrent]

The best form of support is to kill priority targets efficiently

[fringe pelican]

My fav way of vet supporting me is him killing all the ranged guys harassing me

So much damage reduced

[covert dagger]

I don't think I'll ever understand the new meta in games.

[safe kestrel]

From psyker main I learned to stay in my lane and cover the vets back so he can get those long range shots off quick and it helps everyone

[safe kestrel]

Aren’t you sick and tired of basic bitch shooters whittling down your health bar little by little in havoc? Darktide Co. presents: Veteran! Now with extra ammo all the time so you don’t need to!

[teal canyon]

I like bolter since it shut down hordes of shooters for a moment

[tall torrent]

A competent veteran shouldn’t need to be covered to shoot at priority targets tbh

[fringe pelican]

If only veterans did that, me included

One day ill be good at this bideo game

[teal canyon]

Getting stabbed by lone poxer who grow from my ass is annoyng tho

[tall torrent]

Learn spawns

[sudden cedar]

One will get used to it and dodge.

[quiet valley]

Push and dodge, draw and fire, then go back to melee

[teal canyon]

They literally spawn from your ass sometimes.

[quiet valley]

At this point I’ll keep my gun out until I’m out of dodges, then I’ll reluctantly take out my melee to stabilize

[tall torrent]

Don’t stand next to spawn doors then

[sudden cedar]

@teal canyon You'll get an audio cue for it.

[tall torrent]

There’s a backstab audio cue too

Are y’all playing on 10% volume or smth

[teal canyon]

I think sometimes darktide have problems with audio and ai of mobs

[sudden cedar]

The audio part is true, unfortunately.

But not in the majority of cases.

[quiet valley]

I usually play with other music on and backstab sound is very audible

[teal canyon]

It would be easier if que actually worked 100% of the time

[quiet valley]

Only audio issues is when there’s too many in game sounds que’d then the audio just stops

[tall torrent]

Yea
U can still avoid the “lone poxwalker biting ur ass” problem largely by learning spawns tho

[sudden cedar]

This will only work to some extend

Yes, Spawn Doors and broken ceilings are there.

[teal canyon]

Man, i am very aware of spawns. But just the other day i seen two guys spawned in my field of view

[sudden cedar]

But i have had enemies spawn behind me with my back to a corner with no spawns in sight.

[tall torrent]

They’re not behind u then

[sudden cedar]

Sometimes they even spawn and glitch through walls.

[tall torrent]

Getting hit by smth that spawned behind is so rare to me now I don’t ever think about it

[teal canyon]

I think when ai cant find a way or glitched, they can skip pathfinding and teleport to their destination

[sudden cedar]

Good for you. Others may not have that down yet.

[compact oracle]

is this normally there in mortis and ive never seen it

(the hi-intensity part)

[tall torrent]

Auric Mortis says that all the time

[safe kestrel]

Yes no need to gaslight about this. The game literally spawns a random poxwalker RIGHT behind you randomly. The down time of shooting range, meleeing the single walker, range again, single walker can get significant

It’s that important imo that people stick together before situations become crappy

(Also I hate arbite mains)

[covert dagger]

I love the internet badassery. "Competent team players shouldn't have to rely on teams."

[tall torrent]

Auric itself in mission board is damnation with high intensity

[compact oracle]

cool

[covert dagger]

"Nobody needs support if you're 1337 enough."

[steep flower]

Or better yet; Turn around from time to time… be aware

[safe kestrel]

It’s oxymoronic in the face of it

Ok so if a single player should just main the game all the time…….. why are there four of us?

[covert dagger]

Exactly. Why even have different classes?

[safe kestrel]

Yea this is just the bitter pill to swallow. Havoc is like “ok I haven’t turned around in three seconds, it’s time to look”

[steep flower]

You do know its for everyone right? Anyone getting an elite/special kill gives psykinetic aura benefit to everyone

[quiet valley]

I think the Pskyer needs the killing blow, I forgor tho

[steep flower]

Because despite pears & apples being fruits i will eat an apple more than a pear

[steep flower]

There was always the info that no matter who did the kill if psykinetic aura was present you would get the benefit; maybe something changed? Really hard to tell

[quiet valley]

Yeah the wording is weird

@tall torrent fact check us pls

[tall torrent]

Has to be kill by psyker (finishing blow)

[quiet valley]

Thanks for the quick response

[teal canyon]

I have this habit, otherwise i would blame me for one guy sneaking on me. Nope. Turn. Turn back. Hit. Turn back. Poxer

Its not even bad, just annoying af

[safe kestrel]

No we don’t. I only need a handful every so often to proc damage. When a huge horde arrives you want me to have that damage proc

And that’s for different talents not PA

[tame lodge]

Just set everything on soulblaze

[safe kestrel]

Oh never mind yea the read up is correct

[tame lodge]

The moment something dies with soulblaze the server will tick and give the kill to Psyker

(very rng)

[safe kestrel]

But still it helps either way if everyone is getting at least some elite kills

The smoothest games consistently seem to go that way

[safe kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/super-troopers-pulled-over-gif-18371720

I’m running blaze build and inferno staff. What do you want vent over bubble?

[sudden cedar]

Bubble is as much of a trap as it is a useful ability.

[safe kestrel]

Yea that’s a fair point

[hollow axle]

What Grenade do you use ? Why do you prefer bolt gun instead of plasma gun/recon ?

[safe kestrel]

But I’m new so it’s an adjustment to those gunners when they don’t fire like that anywhere else in the game

[tame lodge]

True
Buff bubble

[past stratus]

I sometimes wish Darktide was more quality over quantity in its map design. I think situations where you are surrounded are cool and tense. But if they happen in every single map, in every single hallway, it kills the fun of it for me a bit. Idk if that's a hot take. I'd love to have more situations where you can setup to face a horde that is coming from one direction and still feel challenged by it

[safe kestrel]

Bubble traveling shield when

[sudden cedar]

It is not really that.

[tall torrent]

Frag is the strongest vet grenade

I never said I prefer boltgun over plasma/recon, did u misinterpret smth

[sudden cedar]

No one can tell when a bubble will break, not even the Psyker.

Suddenly you are out in the open and soon after full of holes.

[hollow axle]

Yes maybe ! What is your favorite range weapon ?

[sonic wedge]

There is a slight tell if you are actively looking for it

[sudden cedar]

Yeah there is. But that is about it.

I'd rather not rely on Psyker Bubble.

[sonic wedge]

the bubble normaly starts as bright blue but after awhile it turns slight purple and pulses

[past stratus]

wait is that real? I never noticed it lmao

[sonic wedge]

thats when you know you will get fucked by gunners who are outside the bubble

[tame lodge]

The funniest part is that there's unused voice lines for shield going down

[safe kestrel]

It does flinch

[sonic wedge]

Yeah its true

[safe kestrel]

I’ve died in them enough to find out

[tall torrent]

I like plasma conceptually but it’s currently overtuned

[sudden cedar]

Well, so there is an indicator. Isn't a good one tho.

[past stratus]

that's a neat detail I'll look for it next time

[sudden cedar]

It shouldn't be a neat detail

[sonic wedge]

its how I can tell and when the bubble will die and move to a favorable position

I mean its much better compared to what you normally get in the lore where the shield is not seen unless its actively being shot on as shown in secret level

[safe kestrel]

Ascension riser my favorite for static defense

[past stratus]

I always thought the bubble was just a timed thing, like it doesn't break. It just fades after a certain amount of time and part of the psyker's skill was having a notion of that time in the back of their mind

[hollow axle]

And what weapons do you like for melee ? Psword, Ds4 and rashad ?

[tall torrent]

I don’t use DS4

I don’t like melee weapons that don’t clear horde & mixed horde well

[sonic wedge]

There is a time limit as compared to an HP basis but its rare for a person to constantly count the up time of the bubble while fighting hordes of elites

[safe kestrel]

It’s has a damage limit or something like 25 seconds

[tall torrent]

It has a health pool of 20
Every hit instance it receives removes 1
There’s an internal cooldown to this removal so the minimum uptime is around 6.67s

[past stratus]

I don't think I ever had to push my bubbles to the limit

[safe kestrel]

The best use of it is to stop people from getting shot at right away

[past stratus]

they usually last long enough for me to at least almost have a new one

[sonic wedge]

True

[safe kestrel]

Nah even in maelstrom they’ll get melted under the right conditions

[sonic wedge]

Bubble is usually good if you pair it with inferno or smite talent so the bubble takes less damage

If you want non meta bubble tactics, instead of having the bubble replenish toughness you use the perk where the bubble electrocutes enemies that goes in them

Much better for like horde stuff but you have to tell your teammates if you are in a party that your bubble does jack in replenishing toughness

[past stratus]

you have to have the wall for it right?

[safe kestrel]

So how are they standing up to a gunner just pounding on it? 20 seems like a very small pool

[past stratus]

I think I saw the wall in game once, recently at least

[tall torrent]

“There’s an internal cooldown to this removal”

[past stratus]

it took me a moment to even realize what the fuck that wall was

[tall torrent]

Once it takes damage, for a short duration afterwards, it cannot take damage

[sonic wedge]

hahahaha

the bubble is the upgraded version

the original skill for that talent is a wall

[safe kestrel]

Ok so the ~6 second happens after the bubble health reaches zero

Sorry I just want to be very thorough on all the info I get from here to apply it best

[tall torrent]

No

If it starts getting shot at continuously as soon as it’s up, it’ll last a maximum of ~6.67s before dissipating

[safe kestrel]

Ok got it

[hollow axle]

What do you use then ?

[tall torrent]

Power sword VI
Combat axe III

The rest are mid at best on veteran if u don’t fancy running away from problems

[tame lodge]

You place bubble on top of the ranged enemy

Iirc it takes no damage like that

[past stratus]

that is also something I learned recently that the shots can't escape the bubble from that side

[safe kestrel]

Sorry I don’t understand the abbreviation

[narrow widget]

https://tenor.com/view/kyoshi-gif-25351466

[steep flower]

Not buff; add the fking timer/visual indicator of its remaining hp/time; so fking easy to do and it would boost the ability by alot. The psyker himself cannot even tell you when the bubble will go away…

[narrow widget]

you mean you don't go by vibes

[tame lodge]

That's technically a qol buff

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower There is an indicator, as i've learned, but it is quite an.. obscure one. Easily missed.

[tame lodge]

At best Fatshark finally finds a way to implement the shield going down voice lines

[olive halo]

what keystone do I take

they all seem kinda weird

[covert dagger]

The one you like?

What’s weird about them?

[olive halo]

tbh I dont like the idea of either of them

[covert dagger]

Well. Dunno what to tell you G.

You could pick a class you like more?

[olive halo]

like the first one (marksman's focus) is more oriented to using your ranged often, I usually have my gun as an afterthought

[safe kiln]

weapon spec

[olive halo]

second one means I gotta keep pinging all the time

[covert dagger]

Veteran is the more shooty one. I would consider a more hitty class.

[olive halo]

third one has me switching (seems the best for my use case but still)

[olive halo]

yeah but with guns like bolter or plasma you dont wanna shoot all the time

[covert dagger]

Oh sure.

[olive halo]

yeah which is why I said like, its an afterthought for me

if I was using the lasgun then yeah its an easy choice

[fringe pelican]

3rd one is easier than you think, you learn to swap often

Later you dont even think about it

[covert dagger]

You do you, boo. I don’t get half you guys.

[tame lodge]

Just go keystoneless

Like a real vet

[fringe pelican]

No skills like a real guardsman

[olive halo]

that... might not be a bad idea?

[fringe pelican]

🗿

[olive halo]

could pick up other points instead

[tall torrent]

Boltgun, take middle
Plasma, take middle or right

[tall torrent]

There’s a grand total of like 1 build that is best with no keystone

And it’s not even good

[fringe pelican]

3rd is really easy i also thought worrying about swapping might be tough but nowadays you dont even think about it

[tall torrent]

It’s just for shooting crusher with recon

[covert dagger]

Man. I swear. The more I read discord the less I understand you guys.

Like. Is no ist curious why bath is like, handing out these tier lists and short answers?

[tame lodge]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxdx_l4t5oSpNBdZ6roeC5gXgTp2dI0MUq?si=BYSS9OmfFuckStfV&utm_source=ZTQxO

[fringe pelican]

Im new i just assume its always like this

[olive halo]

that's not specific to this server, or even to discord

[tame lodge]

Eh not really

[olive halo]

ordinary forum interactions are like that

[tame lodge]

It's very common to someone rise above the rest and go write in depth guides

[covert dagger]

It’s a game. It’s a game where the devs do their best to make it fun.

Play around and find something you like that works for you.

[fringe pelican]

If i go on youtube rm ill have 3 videos on recommended about a tier list of a game or "this build is game breaking!!1!1"

[covert dagger]

Yeah. I saw one on planetside 2 once. It was a guy who was mad because he didn’t have a chance against a tank. With a carbine.

[tame lodge]

FS also do their best to not explain shit

And even misdirect

[viscid sigil]

how's this for rashad + recon6

[olive halo]

anyways ima try without any keystones, but I think middle is best for plasma

[tame lodge]

Swap Rending for Superiority complex

[olive halo]

if you play payday 2 you'll find similar stuff. some people like to dig around, test and understand

think of it like a scientist but for gaming

[fringe pelican]

Oh yeah if i didnt have my friend and some info i dug up id be clueless lol

[fringe pelican]

I need a medic bag

[tall torrent]

I don’t usually give out tier lists because they tend to remove nuance from conversations

[olive halo]

real

[fringe pelican]

This game would be way more popular if newcomers didnt get utterly confused by the statlines and descriptions

[fading yarrow]

Counterpoint:
Having my name show up in the killfeed more than everyone else

[covert dagger]

I’ll stop for the day before my mood sours.

Don’t uncritically accept opaque advice.

Play a game as a game for fun.

[covert dagger]

I don’t think “pick this talent with this weapon” is like … nuanced in any way.

[viscid sigil]

i was going off of this but unsure if that's still up to date

@tame lodge

[olive halo]

what do yall roll w/ power cycler? slaughterer? sunder? brutal momentum?

[tall torrent]

I can either give a very short answer to the point or pull up 3 pages of compiled numbers for u to figure out which specific route of talents to take to reach the best breakpoints

Which do u think most people will like more

U might like the details and that’s ok

[safe kiln]

bromentum > slaughterer when it comes to horde clear, sunder is safer because it prevents carapace from stopping your swing iirc

[serene bough]

In summary, the opinions here are usually from highly skilled players with exhaustive experience and testing, the info is supposed to be digested and tested, not fed through a 10min vid

[grand perch]

GUYS
THE DRILL
GO
GET
IT

[covert dagger]

That sounds like nuance.

It gives people the ability to make educated decisions.

“Use this” is … I don’t even know what that is.

But this isn’t the only game where I see this.

Seems like a lot of games have people wanting to just like … follow a formula.

It’s real strange to me.

[tall torrent]

Nah there’re like maybe 6.4 people here who frequent this chat and know what they’re talking about

[covert dagger]

Add to that that player skill is varied. A build requiring accuracy might not be great for someone who is a better movement guy.

[grand perch]

me when I'm the 7th wheel

[serene bough]

I hardly pay attention to people who don't regular here

[covert dagger]

Or hell. The plasma gun might be “meta” but if someone hates it … why recommend it as the only choice?

[fringe pelican]

Mete shmeta i dont use thammer on zealot and nobody cares

[compact oracle]

was someone saying vets only viable option is plasma?

[fringe pelican]

people after watching that reginald video

[narrow widget]

who says that lmao

[compact oracle]

because it really isnt

and most sane people arent going to give you shit for not using it

[pseudo fiber]

Was this on reddit by chance

[steep flower]

Describe cause i see nothing (maybe the bubble ‘swirls’ slightly on its surface)

[compact oracle]

nah im talking about the conversation in this channel

[grand perch]

I certainly feel reminded of individuals in this here very chat complaining about plasma nerfs because it's their "only option"

[covert dagger]

If you like a play style … then you’ll play it. Which means you’ll get good. And good means you know where to slot in your play style you like.

[steep flower]

You should be pinging all the time by default as any class to begin with

[olive halo]

nah

[pseudo fiber]

Sorry my preconceived biases kicked in

[narrow widget]

people complain about everything tbh

[fringe pelican]

Yeah buff ogryns

Shit class

[pseudo fiber]

They should consider being good at the game

[compact oracle]

if you ask for a strong weapon, you will be told what the strong weapons are as tested by the community

if you come here and ask for what the strongest weapons are, you are past the point of testing new weapons out rigorously yourself and there's no point in arguing against it

[narrow widget]

nerf power maul that shit op

[red fox]

wELP

my first ever auric ended in 5 minutes with 2 bots

[narrow widget]

when at first you don't succeed

[steep flower]

You can make it tho

[narrow widget]

try try again

[atomic void]

most people just want to know the good stuff without bothering with all the nitty gritty tho

literally most people just open a guide and copy it without understanding how to play the build in the guide

or what the talents do

[fringe pelican]

Yep

As a MMO veteran i know that as a fact

[steep flower]

Then this game ain’t for them truth be told… this ain’t mayo jar clicker

[grand perch]

its not?

[narrow widget]

yeah it's heretic head clicker wdym

[fringe pelican]

WoW has millions of players yet 99% of people dont got a clue about their talents

[atomic void]

its not? uninstalling

[fringe pelican]

Copy top 1% talent tree

[steep flower]

And then they fail regardless and form bad opinions

[compact oracle]

it aint for them but it will continue to be a lot of players

[grand perch]

i click on things at head height and mayo comes out thats a mayo clicker imo

[steep flower]

Sour shit

[compact oracle]

if your mayo is red you either need to see an optometrist or throw it out

[atomic void]

sir that's called ketchup

[steep flower]

Tomato paste

[sonic wedge]

guys quick question, whats the best blessing for bistol when you want to deal high damage on carapace enemies like the crusher

[grand perch]

i wish it was Remoulade

[compact oracle]

neither of those things are mayo

[grand perch]

(tartar sauce)

[compact oracle]

that especially isnt mayo

[sonic wedge]

I have been running Surgical and Puncture which I kinda guess why Im lacking in damage against carapace in the first place

[serene bough]

I mean, I guess you gotta start somewhere

[steep flower]

You dont use the bolt pistol then

[narrow widget]

swapping to your primary weapon is always faster than reloading

[sonic wedge]

Like dealing adequate damage so I can finish them with my power sword with one heavy attack

[serene bough]

Sometimes this server has the opposite problem where the people are so good they forget how to give translatable advice or recommend sub optimal choices which are compensated by from their skills

[narrow widget]

you could just use the power sword the full way through

[compact oracle]

just give them the stupid strong meta weapon and let them figure out that trying new weapons is good on their own

[narrow widget]

[compact oracle]

lecturing people about using meta isnt likely to motivate them

[sonic wedge]

I did and it takes four swings for me which the extra two power swings blessings wont cover

[atomic void]

ye but im just saying there's a reason why people give broad reccs and dont write a paragraph everytime someone asks a question
this is what people want

[safe kestrel]

PSA no one is impressed by this and it’s sure to make other players sour if you’re doing a “look at me!” At the cost of them getting surprise jumped by specialists or walkers that you ignored running full speed ahead

[compact oracle]

which power sword mark

[sonic wedge]

not really an advice but okay

[serene bough]

Yeah true

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower The general colour of the bubble changes.. apparently.

[sonic wedge]

Mk 3

[fluid gust]

The powered push attack stab followed by an overhead on one of the marks is practically guaranteed to kill a crusher, if you get them in the head

[sonic wedge]

does cleave damage add up to the damage counter?

I havent been using the power sword so I dont know how the cleave damage helps on this weapon

[fluid gust]

The cleave damage stat helps with damage distribution when hitting multiple enemies

I wouldn't look too closely at the light attack/heavy attack damage number. Always check the attack breakdown page, it lets you view individual attacks in the moveset

[sonic wedge]

Im currently in the psykhanium rn testing it

the stab does a lot of damage but after I do one heavy hit they are still standing unless I follow up on the light attack which does get them

Its an improvement at least

[narrow widget]

what perks r u running

[fluid gust]

Do a light attack after the stab, it should do an overhead strike

[sonic wedge]

this one

[narrow widget]

no like perks

[sonic wedge]

ah

wait

[narrow widget]

o u already have cara

[fluid gust]

Brutal Momentum might work better if you're going for the crusher kill

[sonic wedge]

yup

[sonic wedge]

let me swap it real quick

[fluid gust]

Vet talents for improved weakspot damage and melee finesse (weakspot + crit) will also help

[sonic wedge]

oh shit it did a two hit kill on the crusher after going for brutal momentum

[fluid gust]

Yup, that's the trick

[sonic wedge]

its guaranteed too

even if I dont hit them in the head with the stab

its still a three hit kill as long as I can hit them in the head with the heavy

thanks for the tips @fluid gust

also I just realized my bolt pistol didnt have carapace perk thats why it was doing dismal damage

[past stratus]

from leveling weapons I learned that you pick brutal momentum on anything that has access to it

can't go wrong with it

[sonic wedge]

yeah that might be my practice moving forward

[narrow widget]

how do I play xcom ufo defense

ts hard as fuck

[sonic wedge]

keep failing until you understand it?

[sudden cedar]

Yes

[sonic wedge]

dang its rare to find a random party forming the original 4 classes

[narrow widget]

arby arby arby veteran take it or leave it

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bOBje.gif

[vapid thunder]

yea run around and shoot ranged enemies

[safe kestrel]

It’s almost like a wholesome nostalgia just to see it

Like the game was played differently

[steep flower]

Not enough imo cause i can barely see it & i do pay attention to alot of detail

[sonic wedge]

indeed

[steep flower]

I mean what am i suppose to tell ya? Its true; bolt pistol ain’t for carapace; you’ll just have to cope with it (if it had shattering impact then it would be nice againts cara if you would had puncture aswell)

It needs to be better

[safe kestrel]

Vet chat consensus; so the only masks gun ideal stat setup numbers?

[steep flower]

Too much houche this bloke injested

[narrow widget]

it should turn into a rainbow

that would be Funny

[normal bay]

Those are words....

[safe kestrel]

*plasma gun. I hate my autocorrect

[steep flower]

Check the pins

[safe kestrel]

That’s wierd. So those odd numbers are up to date?

[normal bay]

@tired egret

[safe kestrel]

Alrighty then thanks folks

[past stratus]

they could put some cracks on the bubble when it reaches 50% HP

[serene bough]

what does this mean

[tame lodge]

I'm none of them

[past stratus]

but then if the cracks were too obvious people would complain that gets in the way

[sonic wedge]

True, just wanting to know what blessings would help with carapace armoured enemies just so its easier to finish them with meelee

[calm shard]

kraks are complete ass

Vet has the highest ranged damage boost in the game and they have a fair few guns with absurd unyielding damage

Bolter can consistently 1-2 mag monstrosities even on high Havocs

Helbore hits ~8K on every shot with gun build

[serene bough]

i actually don't mind krak for H40 bc they're pretty easy to regen, stun bosses, and remove bulwarks/reapers without thought

[calm shard]

Laspistol and Recon have good DoT damage and decent unyielding damage

[narrow widget]

vs captain shields tho there's not much 😔

[serene bough]

problem is they need so much point tax for viability that its usually not worth running

they need multiple buffs but sometimes I take kraks over shredder

[calm shard]

helbore bayonet

[narrow widget]

I'm a bolter main u think I take anything that doesn't explode

helbore 0/10 no booms

[serene bough]

i tried helbore for havoc im still not a fan

i dont think im using it properly

[sonic wedge]

it takes a while to get used to if you dont actively use it a lot

[clever hedge]

That's the secret. There is no proper way

[sonic wedge]

the charging aspect of it still whacks me a bit since Im more used to either the quick stub pistol or the recon lasgun

[serene bough]

i never was a fan of charge mechanics but at least the plasma can punch through several enemies

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent how was Japan? 🤔

[ember nest]

Gimme

[calm shard]

You're not gonna like even looking at it gonna be real

[ember nest]

Ion care

[clever hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[sonic wedge]

we testing it
-like 4 moebians, 2025

[narrow widget]

in the psykhanium testing "it"
and by "it" haha I mean my helbore

[ember nest]

Imma try it

[safe kestrel]

Bravery

[calm shard]

I use it with Heavy Sword IX and Helbore IV

[hollow axle]

Do you have guide for these weapons ?

[dry galleon]

Seeing this build is like finding a new species of animal. I don't know many people who run marksmans focus.

[calm shard]

I do

In havocs too xd

[grand perch]

hello, it is me, the other mmf guy

[half glade]

Hey. I've got caught by Trapper a few times when in Infiltrate mode as vet over last few days since when I started trying this build. Is it a feature, or should I try to investigate it as a bug?

[honest quiver]

are you sure that the trapper is targeting you or another player

are you grouped up with others while getting trapped

the net is like a projectile in that any player caught within its hitbox is going to get caught

regardless of whether you're invisible or not

not saying that it couldn't be that you're experiencing a bug, but you should make sure that you're not just getting caught in the net while it's locked in on another player first

[half glade]

I don't have much at that point, aside from the fact I believe at least one of these times was in the middle of Ability running (so not right after it's activated, or about the same time it's ended). And the fact it happened quite often, for the mode that's supposed to make you non-targetable. So I was mainly curious if it's a known feature (like, they are supposed to see through invisibility), or I should start investing time in testing it

[honest quiver]

you need to verify whether or not you’re actually being targeted

[half glade]

okay

[unreal nova]

It will hit if it's flying and you are in the way.

[honest quiver]

i said that…,,.,,,,,,,,

do u wanna take this outside???

oh shit heavy laspistol kinda fucks

[unreal nova]

You want death? Sure. In too much pain and would love to lash out and break things atm.

[honest quiver]

you're like 4 feet tall

[unreal nova]

You are sexist as well, I see.

[honest quiver]

????????????????????????????????????????

[unreal nova]

Or is that more racist?

Could be both.

[honest quiver]

HUH??????????????????

[unreal nova]

4 feet Asian women is a stereotype.

So, sexist and racist?

[compact oracle]

wow, this isnt zealot chat somehow

[honest quiver]

well, i did not know you were asian or a woman. i was simply joking around.

how could i know how tall you are? it was a playful joke

[sonic wedge]

you can feel the zeal on these two

[honest quiver]

😔

[unreal nova]

More, in 7-8 lvl of pain, already grump.

[sonic wedge]

Infiltrate mode does make you non-targetable but only in the sense of agro. You will still be vulnerable to projectiles like the trapper net and other AoE damage like the pox gas and inciendary grenades that have already blown up.

[unreal nova]

And I'm like 5 feet 6.5 or so.

[sonic wedge]

You may just be unlucky on those moments @half glade

[honest quiver]

it was a joke. i'll remember not to engage with you in such a way from now on.

apparently you're all business

getting back on subject, i want to see if i can find out how big the net's hitbox is

[unreal nova]

When in pain, absolutely. Also way mind is wired, I don't understand jokes/sarcasm well.

[unreal nova]

It's bigger than it looks.

[sonic wedge]

I rate it as "You feel like you dodged but somehow it got you" level of hitbox

[honest quiver]

i wonder if enabling directX debug mode would let you see that stuff

probably not

[sonic wedge]

you could try

[unreal nova]

Also any bit of lag exacerbates it.

[sonic wedge]

no harm in trying

[umbral scaffold]

You guys running riposte and precog/ uncanny strike for combat knife?

[sonic wedge]

True, its either you teleport out of its hitbox if you are lucky or the emperor doesnt smile on you and teleports you back to the original projectile path and you are caught like a salmon

[sonic wedge]

Are you running infil stance?

[umbral scaffold]

Yup

[sonic wedge]

get the backstab blessing

[midnight totem]

No

[unreal nova]

Yep. 3 dodges nope. Best one is she looks staggered and your dog is on her, still trapped.

[umbral scaffold]

In replacement of precog I assume, since we want more crit chance from riposte? Or is there diminishing returns on that

[midnight totem]

Backstab blessing not needed on combat knife

[honest quiver]

working

[midnight totem]

When you can get nearly as much Rending from the front with uncanny

[umbral scaffold]

Hmmm. Mercy killer seems like a good one as well, but maybe not as good as riposte

[sonic wedge]

Riposte if you are actively dodging attacks for the combat knife

[unreal nova]

Mercykiller is a meme btw. Needs higher multiplier to be worth.

[sonic wedge]

really?

[unreal nova]

Yep. You can use it, but it's more a funni thing than actually good.

It only increases weakspot damage.

[sonic wedge]

Time to meme then hahaha

[umbral scaffold]

Alright. Well, I’ll grab flak and unyielding for perks and try out riposte and uncanny

[unreal nova]

And in Tide games, those are caculated as the diff between standard and weakspot damage.

So is 60% of that difference.

[sonic wedge]

this is a bad knife right?

[unreal nova]

Mobility 65, dook knoife already.

Don't get me started on everything else.

[sonic wedge]

hahaha

I mean I just got this as a drop

what stats are good for the knife? I understand that mobility as 60% may be the standard but I dont know jack on the knife

Im actively trying ruthless backstab because of the infil

[unreal nova]

Flak maniac works, flak cara works... though is my crusher racism speaking.

Uncanny whatever.

[sonic wedge]

Keep going with the crusher racism I encourage it

[unreal nova]

Infil just needs to stagger. I used it like poor man shout lul.

[sonic wedge]

LULL

[unreal nova]

You are chasing penances, right?

[midnight totem]

Infiltrate just staggers ranged units only

And by stagger I mean suppress

[sonic wedge]

Nope, just having fun with going stealth and backstabbing enemies

especially crushers

[unreal nova]

It works on anything small actually.

Just more visible on shooters.

[sonic wedge]

and maulers

[unreal nova]

As said, I used it like poor man shout in melee and got dings to my penances.

[sonic wedge]

does this combo work?

Riposte and Ruthless

[midnight totem]

Why Ruthless again?

[sonic wedge]

backstab

:3

[midnight totem]

Knife has high armor pen values already and you can get nearly as much rending from the front with uncanny

[fringe pelican]

Zealot is better for backstabby knoife

[midnight totem]

They have the actual damage bonus to use with backstab

[sonic wedge]

ah ok

[unreal nova]

Just uncanny riposte or uncanny bleed.

Mercykiller only with serrated memes.

Uncanny mercykiller btw.

[sonic wedge]

oh my god

I find it funny that the special attack for the combat knife actually does backstab damage lol

[unreal nova]

There is also riposte precog.

[unreal nova]

If I punch you in the back... tell me if it hits as hard or more.

[sonic wedge]

Dang, I might get free chiropractor session on this one

[unreal nova]

Assuming you are an ogryn, I guess.

[sonic wedge]

Hahahaha

[half glade]

I doubt it. I've been trying to play with infiltrator-commando kind of build for a while, which also has a knife with this bless. I use it as planned occasionally on armored targets mostly, after somehow pre-positioning myself behind them. It rarely happens naturally in a melee fight, when Riposte is triggered, it's two separate usecases. Knife is generally bad at fighting hoards due to lack of CC, so you want to stay at distance if elites are mixed in the crowd, so rarely will be able to just casually waltz behind them in a big crowd and start stabbing while still having the stacks

[unreal nova]

Because have you seen what happens when someone is in pain and is violently having an outburst be like? Yes.

[half glade]

you can get extra crits from talents aroudn keystone to the right side of the tree, which synergize better with this bless, they don't require dodging, just hitting

[sonic wedge]

yeah I think this is for zealot kind of blessings

[unreal nova]

I mean, some ppl like it so...

[sonic wedge]

yes, my sister but Im confident I can tank her shots

[unreal nova]

Ah. But yeah, known for being a little on the crazy end.

[sonic wedge]

I see, Im safe behind my monitor (maybe not if I get punched across spacetime)

[unreal nova]

But yeah, I would like to punch something atm and doing my best to not break things. Ibuprofen failed.

[sonic kayak]

I hate ibuprofen

Tears the stomach up

Well, the most out of all of them

[unreal nova]

Can't do much unless you like 7-8 lvl pain.

[honest quiver]

literally went to the store, came back and it's still "adding"

[sonic kayak]

Usually I can handle it

[honest quiver]

fucking windows

[sonic wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-microsoft-space-force-john-malcovich-gif-8108491733214370090

[honest quiver]

idek if this will do the thing i'm trying to do

[sonic kayak]

But when I got diagnosed with sciatica, I took aspirin, ibuprofen, and acetaminophen together, and those 3 combined didn't help me

Pain that does not go away is many no fun

[unreal nova]

More or less, unless it's a big jump in pain. You know my usual perma inflamed wisdom tooth is a 4.

[sonic kayak]

Ah yes, toothaches

Also no fun

Nerve pain is just not fun at all

[unreal nova]

15+ years, still not dead.

[sonic wedge]

How about removing the wisom tooth?

[honest quiver]

getting all four of mine taken out in a month

this is not cash money 😔

[sonic kayak]

You will be free

[unreal nova]

Requires surgery in my case so hoping they crack and fallout.

Don't have $400 per tooth.

[honest quiver]

my brother literally just texted me about his too, super weird

[unreal nova]

After subsidies.

[honest quiver]

i wonder if me and my brother can get ours taken out at the same time

[sonic kayak]

Dentists and plastic surgeons

[honest quiver]

that'd be sick

[sonic wedge]

$400??!!

[unreal nova]

Yeah. Surgery.

[honest quiver]

that's a high rate but not uncommon

assuming it's USD

[unreal nova]

Dentists are murder here.

No. SGD.

[sonic wedge]

Dang

[honest quiver]

so about $311 USD

which is the common rate here in the states

[unreal nova]

That's discounted.

[sonic wedge]

oof

$351 per tooth in ours

[unreal nova]

I can get 2 at half off.

In a year.

[honest quiver]

my insurance covers about 50% of mine so i'm paying $760