veteran-class

[grand perch]

class """iconic""" skill

[sleek garden]

Does this retain the accuracy bonus some weapons get from crouching

[sonic kayak]

But you're still using the laspistol, you can just casually magdump bosses without burning ammo

Yeah more or less

[sleek garden]

Why do I need to worry about bosses unless it's attacking me

Do you seriously think I don't have 3 arbitrators or pickaxe ogryns on my team

[grand perch]

i have no idea. i think the crouching bonus stays since you have to keep crouching?

[sonic kayak]

Because you're the vet and you show the scrubs how it's done

Cmon now

[sleek garden]

I can typically build the lasgun to one shot nearly every elite and specialist past a certain range

Along with normal shooters

This is why I don't play havoc

for auric maelstroms I have a version of the build with krak nades or I can swap out the lasgun for a bolter with minor tree changes

[sonic kayak]

Also assuming your Ogryn players aren't role-playing the situational awareness of their class, and arbies not getting greedy and dying surrounded by things they could manage

[quick burrow]

what melee weapon is the hotness on veteran now? still the combat axe ?

[sonic kayak]

If you take that, Trench Fighter helps tremendously

[carmine zealot]

not duelling sword?

[quick burrow]

i am a relic from another time brother

[sonic kayak]

A better time

[quick burrow]

i have hundreds of hours in this game but my knowledge is woefully outdated

i even came back and dumped all my resources into farming out the new shock maul

getting a bunch of orange tier weapons with tier 4 perks

then i tried to take the blessings from it at hadron

[sonic kayak]

I bet that felt good

[quick burrow]

only to be like holy fuck

thats aloooot of wasted stuff

[carmine zealot]

oic

[sonic kayak]

Yes sir

[carmine zealot]

that's a long time ago

[quick burrow]

i know haha i didnt realize they updated the blessing system as well

[lost silo]

what is yall tip on doing overwatch penance

[sonic kayak]

Don't be afraid to run away

[quick burrow]

so dueling sword is the veteran weapon now ?

[sonic kayak]

Dodge, block

[quick burrow]

they couldnt even use them when i played ha

[carmine zealot]

Yes but it

[sonic kayak]

It's a choice just because the weapon itself is strong

[carmine zealot]

is getting nerfed

the duelling sword was strong when it was psyker only

[sonic kayak]

You can run PSword, axe, knife, whatever else

Been appreciating the chainaxe tbh

[quick burrow]

mark 6 was the good power sword right?

[carmine zealot]

but when vet and zealot picked it up, it became overwhelming

[sonic kayak]

Aye

[quick burrow]

oh dude i had a top tier chainaxe back in the day

people loved it

now its nothing cause u get perfect shit but back then haha it was fire

[carmine zealot]

chain weaps are a little off-meta these days

[sonic kayak]

Those were the days

The damage cap is still on it though

They recently removed it on the Evis but it's still on the chaxe

[quick burrow]

take maniac flak, power cycler and slaught ?

[carmine zealot]

power cycler and brutal momentum

or sunder

[nimble wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-bush-jump-dive-fun-gif-16264062

[sonic kayak]

I don't use heavies on the PSword so I just stick with BrOmentum

Cara/Unyielding, you are now the boss killer

[lost silo]

best weapon and build ?

[sonic kayak]

Something with VoC (obviously) and either nuclear capabilities or high mobility

I think I got it just from playing if I'm gonna be honest

[lost silo]

dam

what weapon tho

[sonic kayak]

That was over a year ago, no idea what I was doing then

[lost silo]

what about

secondary

[faint beacon]

Ragers straight up can be a death sentence to vet if you don’t have a way to stagger them

[lost silo]

remind me of when i first started and 5 half naked dude dual wielding axes conga toward me

[faint beacon]

Agri Shotgun goes kinda fucking crazy on Vet now lmao

[sonic kayak]

Was gonna say

Shotgun in this day and age? 🤔

[faint beacon]

DB and Agri CS are like

Fucking crazy

For Vet

Don’t forget

One slug

The ultimate fuck you to bulwark shields

Immediately opens them up

[sonic kayak]

One Slug Man

[hollow ibex]

True

[faint beacon]

DookieShart please

Give us a slug DB

They ever give a Mark that was slugs id just get Battlefield 1 flashbacks

Counter sniping with a fucking shotgun lmao

[lost silo]

@silver wing give me a list of recommended mission for OW

[faint beacon]

Overwatch

That penance

[sonic kayak]

Bad Company 2

MGs were good

Shotguns were good

Humvee was good

[lost silo]

i mean what mission as in like, which "map"

[sonic kayak]

Absolutely

And actually having maps leveled because of the players was unparalleled

Not because of Levolution or whatever they call it now

Dynamically changing the map is fun, yes, but why wait

I once got like 40? Kills, by only splattering people with the Humvee

Agreed 100%

The worse part is getting rid of, or toning down the player destruction, and then trying to tell us how it's better

Was my gripe even way back in BF3 too

[faint beacon]

BF4/1 Support MGs also…

I unironically ran the L8 in 4

Also yes I’m a support main

[sonic kayak]

But the inverse recoil pattern on the MGs made them extra good

[faint beacon]

AWS and M240B

Were my other go toos

BF1 I rotated so many MGs cause all of them were genuinely fun

But the main ones were like

[sonic kayak]

Haven't touched BF4 in a while but I think I mained the M60 and M240b

[faint beacon]

Huot, Madsen, Parabellum, and M1917 Browning

[sonic kayak]

Also they didn't break the burst firing like they did in 3 and beyond

[faint beacon]

Not sure

Huot was disgusting though at medium range

[foggy rune]

Parabellum is a fun word

[sonic kayak]

Yeah, they named the cartridge after a game, wild AF

[faint beacon]

The: I’m tired of Assault players MG

800 RPM

We love to see it

[sonic kayak]

Never played BF1 if I'm gonna be honest, got out after 4

[faint beacon]

BF1 was the last good one imo

V is fun but had an incredibly rocky start

I stopped after V

[hollow ibex]

Same

V was wild from an immersion perspective

[faint beacon]

I didn’t really play for immersion I played for the loop

I didn’t like the need for having to hug crates

2042 I’m thankful I didn’t get

[hollow ibex]

And then they dumbed the shit out of armored combat because it was too much for the average COD kiddo

[faint beacon]

Though the idea of any weapon was cool for any class

[hollow ibex]

Heard it’s better now but meh

[faint beacon]

I didn’t like the operators though

Not at all

[lost silo]

anyone here play on apac or hk ?

huh

i just

got overwatch despite getting whack alot

wtf

i dont

understand ?

[clever hedge]

Man is over here dropping poetry

[normal bay]

It's only health damage from melee

Anything else doesn't affect it

[lost silo]

how come have nobody tell me this sooner

[normal bay]

Pretty sure it says that in the description of the penance lol

[lost silo]

no

[normal bay]

They did say melee damage. Granted they could have specified health

[grand perch]

cramming hero shooters into everything. sucked.

[lost silo]

what vet keystone do i rock with shotgun

[tame lodge]

Mmf

Weapon Specialist

[lost silo]

is it just me or

vet's keystone

looks unremarkable

[grand perch]

its just you

[lost silo]

idk

yeah it's just me

[grand perch]

what shotgun anyway

[lost silo]

double barrels

i think i'll use

focus target

[faint beacon]

Trend I hated so much

[tame lodge]

Weapon Specialist

[faint beacon]

I liked being a nameless soldier not because of nostalgia but because it’s more relatable being a nobody

[tame lodge]

Always Prepared + Manstopper blessing

Infinite cleave Shotgun that never reloads

[lost silo]

what's always prepared

[tame lodge]

Weapon Specialist modifier

[lost silo]

what does it do

[tame lodge]

Reloads your weapon when you activate ranged specialist

Aka swap

And 3 stacks of WS is a guaranteed crit so high uptime Manstopper

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/hugging-friendship-lizard-beach-gif-26437252

[faint beacon]

They are fighting

[grand perch]

fighting who likes the other one more!

[lost silo]

do yu have

a build

for reference

i'm shit at point management

[formal hamlet]

Guessing duelling sword doesn't really need trench fighter drill attack speed buff, right?

[past stratus]

DS is good by itself

[tropic notch]

Weapon Specialist

[tropic notch]

I like it

[elder vessel]

You could have 0 talents and duelling sword would still be competent at the very least

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build

[lost silo]

i will consider

wait

[lost silo]

does infil actually work with for the emperor or no

[lost silo]

so basically pocket shotgun

[red robin]

Damn, the devils claw 7 pretty good with its follow up after parry, stab into overhead light good

I mean it’s still struggling but damn I kinda like the chain

[barren cave]

I like dclaw

But I find its not great on higher difficulties because it takes a while with carapace

[red robin]

Yeah

[tame lodge]

It takes a while with Flak

💀

[red robin]

Parry attack does a decent amount vs carapace now but still too much risk

[trim badger]

That's right

[trim badger]

I used to run WS in the past until I realized "wait Focus target is just 20% free dmg at 1 talent point alone"

[barren girder]

whats the use case for the regular combat shotties compared to DB manstopper?

[barren cave]

What does nvidia reflex low latency plus boost do

Are there any downsides to having it on

[tame lodge]

DB is a point blank powerhouse

Agripina will fare better on range

Zarona is a unyielding damaging beast

Accatran

[barren girder]

rip accatran

[tame lodge]

Unironically good suppression

8 on normal shots

15 on fire shots

Most enemies cower at 10

[sudden cedar]

Accatran Combat Shotgun is the Fire Shell one, right?

[tame lodge]

Yup

If you want close combat with more ammo than DB I guess

[umbral scaffold]

Does internet connection affect weapon damage because I remember my shotgun being more powerful yesterday.

[barren girder]

wait is zarona the one chunking that plague ogryn from a clip i saw getting shared around?

[past stratus]

The Zarona is very powerful

[barren girder]

what makes it so strong vs single targets? surprised since isn't that the one with the horizontal shell?

[tame lodge]

It's the amount of pellets against Unyielding when aiming down sights

[barren girder]

holy shit that looks fun LMAO

welp time to farm the combat shotty

[sudden cedar]

Deleted.

[spark canopy]

i haven't used the bolt pistol basically at all

but damn this thing is good

i am not looking forward to the marksman's focus penance though

[sudden cedar]

Mentally prepare yourself to crabwalk through the map while using melee weapons to kill enemies.

[spark canopy]

eugh

dreadful

[sudden cedar]

There are some neat spots where waves of trash will spawn that you can melee down

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO6htj5zO9I

[faint beacon]

Okay now make a Vigilant build

[red robin]

Go zarona combat shotty and use weapon special on hordes at head level

Love your profile pic btw

Garfield is ultra baller

Scattershot and manstopper will ultra cleave hordes with it

[grand perch]

i aim for about 1 edited video a week, full job hardly permits more

but that ones on the list

....its basically identical to agrip shotty

[faint beacon]

Copy my homework duh

Honestly I’ll have to see the difference between my Graia Vigil and yours

[grand perch]

mine has a little decorative metal plate on the side

[narrow widget]

go to mercantile on a dead server with duckbill combat shotgun and there's a good farming location at the start

if you want to get it done as fast as possible

[faint beacon]

Honestly top pathing doesn’t matter cause it’s just dependent on what you’re doing more but I do this cause my gun is typically anti elite/special

And I’m running Taxe and killing hordes as much as possible

[grand perch]

mine uses MMF, naturally

im the mmf guy

[narrow widget]

no demo team?

[sharp ingot]

what's an effective way to do this one? I only got 16 this mission

[narrow widget]

power sword into hordes and pull out revolver to pop elite/specialist heads every now and then

[sharp ingot]

📝

[narrow widget]

iirc 3 kills on melee guarantees a crit

[sharp ingot]

what's power sword dump stat?

I forgor

[tame lodge]

Cleave TARGETS

[narrow widget]

mobility also works imo

[sharp ingot]

📝

[faint beacon]

You only need stockpile

And besides you dare try to make actually unique builds you get hit with

Yeah but it’s Veteran

50 billion tax nodes

[narrow widget]

not enough

tax me harder fat shark

[umbral scaffold]

Looking for some stealth vet advice! New to playing it.

I’ve been rocking the combat axe for more melee balance, but is it prob better to be grabbing the combat knife for speed?

Also, I’ve been using stealth to get behind enemy gun lines to kill, or even crusher/bulwark patrols to throw kraks into them.

Other that using stealth for picking up team mates, is there any ideas anyone could offer on how to maximize its effectiveness?

[sudden cedar]

You pretty much have everything that you could do.

Yes, a lot of people will say use Shredder Frags instead of Kraks, because they are better.

But if that is what you want to do.

[final thorn]

Frags are even better with stealth imo since all the damage boost on skill are effective even during stealth and will boost its bleed damage, using right click to throw grenades will also not break stealth :)

[narrow widget]

go full stealth and chuck smokes everywhere like a ninja

[red robin]

Claw sword with shred (20% crit) n helbore las gun with hotshot tier 1 good for cleaving a lot of heads (80% hit mass reduction even on melee)

[sharp ingot]

📝

This is useful

Thank

[honest quiver]

this is either going to be an awesome match or the worst thing ever

[sharp ingot]

Best thing ever

They will protect the lil'un

[sudden cedar]

I've had the opposite experience. I had three Ogryns as a Zealot and had to pick them up or revive them all the time. The match ended with 24 deaths across the three Ogryns.

[past stratus]

last Ogryn I got was a Shift+W key guy but he did all the objectives and only got downed once

so it was pretty ok

[sharp ingot]

Well obviously, shouty helps the slab

Slab protects boss

[sudden cedar]

You mean the Cannon Fodder? Okay.

[sharp ingot]

Boss keeps spark'ead from the shouty

And spark'ead keeps the slab happy

Is a fragile ecosystem

[sudden cedar]

Fine in theory, practice shows different outcomes.

[velvet gale]

"Ser! Awaiting orders, ser!"

[bleak oasis]

I like to imagine that the vet's attempts to use their ranged weapon becomes infinitely futile as he's surrounded by nothing but thick man meat.

[sharp ingot]

Oh 100%

[steep flower]

There is no such thing as too much dmg; Focus Target is a debuff & its imo the best keystone for vet after havoc changes were implemented cause it works with any build. Tac Reload is always gonna be better than Volley Adept cause its always available + you won't suck againts bosses with it like you will with volley. Out for blood AND confirmed kill; run both, never said to take either

[bleak oasis]

Even funnier if the director decides to spawn a shitton of ranged specialists and none of the ogryns have kits suitable for dealing with gunner death blobs at max range

[steep flower]

@hollow plank AY YO; I'M HOME & CAN EXPLAIN STUFF TO YA

[honest quiver]

barely fucking survived lmao

these ogryns were crayon eaters but they stuck through

they didn't seem to be able to hear poxbursters

[faint beacon]

Cosplaying Ogryns

Simple as

[honest quiver]

one of them said gg while we were still fighting a horde like bro

just because you got killed doesn't mean we will 😭

[velvet gale]

"Sah! Didn't hear that burster, Sah!"

[honest quiver]

poor guys probably had mashed potatoes in their ears or something

that maelstrom mission was fun though

nonstop snipers and bursters

[olive halo]

man I'm losing it, I went from malice to heresy and went from decent to losing my entire health bar to like 5 guys

is there really that big of a jump in difficulty between malice and heresy?

[honest quiver]

depends on your equipment too

[velvet gale]

My games are usually me and three Arbites.

[honest quiver]

ikr this was the first game i had with no arbitrators lol

[olive halo]

well I can't really level up my equipment since mastery

[honest quiver]

?

[sudden cedar]

Why not?

[olive halo]

?

[honest quiver]

you can empower it..

[olive halo]

but you cant

because mastery

its capped

[sharp ingot]

Do you have like no mastery?

[honest quiver]

ahh you can't empower it

[narrow widget]

5 guys burgers and fries

[olive halo]

every weapon starts with no mastery??

[honest quiver]

because your mastery isn't high enough, yeah?

you need to keep using those weapons

your mastery will improve

[sharp ingot]

Just buy a few random ones from brunt, consecrate them to green and feed them to hadron

[honest quiver]

then you can empower a weapon you have that has good stats as you go along

[olive halo]

I dont have resources either

[honest quiver]

you'll get them by playing

takes time

[sharp ingot]

Ah, now that is a tad bit annoying yes

[olive halo]

yeah but I just lose, vicious cycle

[honest quiver]

you still get stuff by losing

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[olive halo]

I win like 1 of every 2 or 3 matches

yeah like 4k coins lmao

[honest quiver]

it'll be alright

[sharp ingot]

Ifn can't win heresy, play malice

[sharp ingot]

Shrimple as

[honest quiver]

stick with malice for now

[narrow widget]

your weapons power level won't help you if you can't play well
might be time to learn the combat system in depth

dodging, sliding, blocking, pushing

[honest quiver]

dodging is fun

[olive halo]

well I didnt have this issue with the other 3 OG classes

[honest quiver]

juke a mf out

[sharp ingot]

In my experience heresy was defo the first like noticeable difficulty jump too so yeh

[hollow plank]

I just pulled in so give me a sec to get on

[narrow widget]

vets survivability comes purely from killing chaff and spamming shout

[honest quiver]

you're not gonna be a frontliner as vet

[narrow widget]

yes you are

[honest quiver]

he isn't going to be yet

until he improves

[olive halo]

I was gonna say that doesnt sound right lol

[steep flower]

Catch-a-breath & Confirmed kill do not exist for ya

[narrow widget]

ok true catch a breath exists

[honest quiver]

i think there has been a miscommunication here

what exactly are you struggling with dallas

[olive halo]

just constant deaths

[narrow widget]

from what exactly

[olive halo]

played ogryn, never had any issue, played zealot, had a little but figured it out, played psyker, had a lot but the ppl in this server helped me and its a lot better

but with vet its like

I see a small group of like 6 people

[sharp ingot]

Also if you've played the other 3 classes a bunch already, why not use one of the weapons they have and one of the unlevelled ones from vet?

[olive halo]

its over

[safe kestrel]

This is why it’s typically not a good idea to start as arby or ogryn for most people

[hollow plank]

I am on now

[honest quiver]

what are you using dallas

[olive halo]

the unfortunate of not wanting to play assault chainsword again

[honest quiver]

fair

[sharp ingot]

Did you not level up any other weapon?

[narrow widget]

oggy and zealot get toughness regen from just hitting enemies and getting crits; you have to work for your toughness now

[steep flower]

https://discord.gg/tbsUSUpr

[olive halo]

with zealot yeah

you can get to level 30 by the time you max out one mastery

with psyker I used the force swords

which vet doesnt have

[sharp ingot]

Ic

Yeah thats a tad bit of a problem

Honestly sounds to me like you'll just have to stick to malice for a bit

[honest quiver]

that's what i was saying

[safe kestrel]

Bro if you played with the other classes and have problems I’m sorry but it’s likely a playstyle issue

[sharp ingot]

Either that or like team up with some peeps so they help you thru heresy

[sharp ingot]

Also that, veteran gives me issues no other class does cuz it just doesn't mesh with my playstyle much

[safe kestrel]

You’re not approaching enemies in an optimal way, dodging enough, blocking enough, not shooting the right ones and melee the others

[honest quiver]

i struggle with ogryn the most personally

[narrow widget]

vet gives you an appreciation for the enemy designs lol

[honest quiver]

he's too slow 4 me 😔

[olive halo]

well yeah its not a shocker that one person goes down without the magic shield lmao

[sharp ingot]

Mood but also not as squimshy as vet

[honest quiver]

especially sniper's fuckin splinter cell goggles

[olive halo]

with psyker I just use the wands and they solve like 75% of problems

vet unfortunately doesnt have a skeleton key from the looks of it

[sharp ingot]

Zealot I just never stand still ever

[safe kestrel]

Which is completely understandable. I had to adjust to not having the bullet block psyker can use, but vet shouldn’t struggle that bad in melee. Ragers are tough with the stamina lack tho

[narrow widget]

it's his(??? her???) silhouette as well that's so well designed

[sharp ingot]

3 3stam curios with sprint efficiency

[narrow widget]

running slightly hunched over

[sharp ingot]

I like just never stop sprinting

I am always sprinting as zealot

[honest quiver]

loooove zealot

[sharp ingot]

Vet I can't do that

It make me sad :(

[honest quiver]

all that time playing zealot saltz in v2 prepared me

[sharp ingot]

Arby I just find the idea of meanicngly approaching the lexbreaker filth too fucking funny to sprint

[honest quiver]

it's like coming home when i charge headfirst into a group of gunners with 1 health left

[sharp ingot]

Mood

[honest quiver]

i still need to play the new vermintide 2 stuff

been too long 😔

[sharp ingot]

Either that or just pretending their bullets are confetti cuz I have like a trillion stamina and ranged attacks are a suggestion

[sharp ingot]

I tried to get into vermintide 2 before darktide came out

Just couldn't

I only have like 6h into it

It just don't feel as right to crunch skulls in that

[honest quiver]

600 here

it's one of my favorite co-op games ever

[sharp ingot]

Dunno what the fuck they did for darktide but the feel of it is the best of any game I've played

[narrow widget]

but yea vet is a very fundaments focused class
put 0 faith in surviving from being hit by attacks and focus on

• positioning in a spot where you can back away if needed
• paying attention to sound cues and visual cues to dodge attacks
• pushing enemies to gain space

[honest quiver]

[olive halo]

idk I feel like that's sound advice in a vaccum

[narrow widget]

that's all darktide is about

[stable socket]

heavy spam with the shovel that has horizontal heavies is how i did melee before getting into powersword/chainsword/combat axe shenanigans

doesn't kill fast but the stagger keeps you safe

[olive halo]

like right now I literally just fought 4 of the absolute most basic guys

[stable socket]

now in h40 i barely attack hordes, i put my life entirely in the hands of our purg psyker while i spam nades and shoot plasma at specials/gunners and that's it

[olive halo]

like the limping ghoul like guys

just them attacking at different times already invalidates like everything

[robust basin]

Is the weapon guide doc in the pinned messages been updated fairly recently?

[narrow widget]

you can push them to sync their attacks

but also those guys are staggered really easily anyway

[unreal nova]

No, but vet is ignored middle child so sadly fairly accurate still.

[safe kestrel]

This is the recipe to mastering the game

[olive halo]

nah I think its cuz Im using the power sword

[stable socket]

do you have power cycler?

if you don't, power sword is awful

[olive halo]

having to spam the activate every 2 attacks is the worst

I do but again

mastery

levels

[barren girder]

you can block cancel the activation animation

special, block light as long as your PS is charged, repeat

[safe kestrel]

Basic push interrupts their attacks

[barren girder]

push and dodge when necrssary

[sudden cedar]

Push, dodge, duck, dive, slide.

It all comes with time and practice.

[barren girder]

is it a hot take to say more ppl should play vet and psyker to learn fundamentals lmao

i never had to fucking slide until psyker

[robust basin]

you think the dump stats are at least accurate?

[safe kestrel]

The thing with vet is you can’t use up all your stamina or dodges at once. You actually have to think and play smart

[olive halo]

all psyker taught me was to abuse ranged more lol

[narrow widget]

psyker is so different from the rest of the roster

[sudden cedar]

@safe kestrel What? I thought Veteran is all about equipping a Recon Lasgun and hold down the trigger.

[olive halo]

playing psyker to learn melee cannot be a good idea

[barren girder]

you can sorta get away with that in high diff but optimal staff play means using dodge slides while youre either quelling or charging

[safe kestrel]

That’s not good psyker practice, fren

[barren girder]

gun psyker is its 3rd best build

[narrow widget]

nah man it's all about that bolter life

[unreal nova]

Most of the things are, barring any actual class node changes.

[barren girder]

it's all just about learning how to play it

some people go the extra mile and swap to a weapon between casts for more mobility

[safe kestrel]

Vet and psyker are good for melee actually because it makes you pay the heaviest toll for mistakes

[barren girder]

i am not some people

[unreal nova]

And spamming "I need ammo.".

[barren girder]

i will live and die by the staff's movement bc im bad

[narrow widget]

NEEED!!! AMMO!!!

DID YOU JUST TAKE THE FRAGGIN AMMO??!! AGAIN??!!

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova While making sure to NOT scavenge around like a sack-rat for ammo.

[barren girder]

gang gang

[sudden cedar]

Same goes for Plasma Gun btw.

Simply shoot everything, no matter how insignificant of an enemy it is.

[olive halo]

I think we had a similar conversation before in the psyker chat

[sudden cedar]

And wonder why you have no ammo.

[safe kestrel]

One tip, you probably want to buy a fairly pre-leveled melee weapon for heresy and up

[narrow widget]

AMMO HERE!!!!

I NEED THAT!!!

[safe kestrel]

Like at least something that has around a 50 damage stat

[unreal nova]

While like 3 ammo packs is already pinged because I pick ammo when everyone runs off not picking them... or full.

[sudden cedar]

I have to spam ping ammo sometimes before someone moves their lazy legs over to collect it.

[safe kestrel]

Oggy and Arby are fun and can help players cheese if they don’t utilize all the basics, but it will cause them to hit a hard difficulty cap later on because they’re not using everything

[sudden cedar]

Sometimes i wait a bit and if they ignore it, i use it for myself. If they cry for ammo, well good luck, you had your chance to get more, you chose not to.

[sharp ingot]

By far my fav psyker is scriers gaze, vigilant autogun and greatsword

[barren girder]

arbys in my havocs

[unreal nova]

Extra funni if it procs the greed lines.

[sudden cedar]

Skipping the basics is a horrible mistake that will catch up to you later.

[warm schooner]

after playing vet arby feels like cheating

[sharp ingot]

It's just disgusting in hordes

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova Always. Same with the responses too.

[safe kestrel]

Which makes good quick draw players something you really appreciate when you see it. Especially with guns like plasma gun

[unreal nova]

Free 10%-15% passive toughness gen per sec.

[safe kestrel]

Same 😑

[velvet gale]

Which classes are best to learn the basics?

[barren girder]

vet

[warm schooner]

toughness back on hit is just wild man

[sudden cedar]

Veteran and Psyker.

Because it will punish you for every mistake you make.

And you won't have a safety net.

[unreal nova]

I mean, I pinged it like 4 times and I don't wanna be left behind.

[velvet gale]

Ty

[sudden cedar]

To be fair some Zealots don't pick Until Death and Holy Revenant because apparently it is not needed?

Fair enough.

[safe kestrel]

Because it is

[warm schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-lee-weights-naruto-chunin-exams-flex-gif-26433140

[faint beacon]

You get nuked on both classes in melee and makes you learn the hard way

[warm schooner]

vet players playing arby

[sharp ingot]

Ion like em so ion use em

Simple as

[unreal nova]

Honestly, vet. Psyker needs a different playstyle mindset. Vet can run more standard shooty and have spare/free ammo, but will teach you not to tunnel vision when 3 backstabs=you on floor.

[sudden cedar]

Arbitrators and Ogryns can free themselves from certain situations which makes them rely on it and thus they never learn to respect those threats and avoid them rather than just thinking "i get out of it anyway".

[unreal nova]

0 damage taken runs where my team is more scawy. Since idiots shoot bursters and barrels.

[faint beacon]

Consistent 5 damage taken or under

[sudden cedar]

As a Zealot, yes i do have Until Death, but i never want it to save me because that means i messed up.

[sharp ingot]

I like never use it cuz I just prefer the other options

[sudden cedar]

However, whenever it does happen iam grateful that i do have it.

[faint beacon]

Getting slotted by an overhead through a wall

[past stratus]

I suck at melee with Zealot but when I play Ogryn I feel unkillable

[safe kestrel]

This bro. This

[sudden cedar]

And yeah, it also saves you from.. getting fucked.

[unreal nova]

Stop reminding me. I hate through wall nets.

[sudden cedar]

It saves you from getting fucked by random bullshit that is outside of your control.

[past stratus]

playing a Vet made me scared of everyone and everything

[sharp ingot]

With zealot I have a simple strategy

[unreal nova]

This is true though.

[sharp ingot]

Standing still is death

I am perpetually sprinting sliding or dodging

The moment I stop I die

So I don't stop

[unreal nova]

That's psyker as well... except a million times worse.

[narrow widget]

whoosh

[unreal nova]

No safety net.

[sharp ingot]

Is partially why I enjoy psyker mnyes

Same mindset applies

Especially since I love the big swords most on both classes

God that force greatsword

[faint beacon]

Aka those scenarios where a mauler/crusher basically move at Mach 20 around a corner and immediately hit you with an overhead

Extremely rare

But it happens

And by god it’s infuriating

[unreal nova]

No, always just be dodging. 300 ping means if you aren't already dodging when hearing it... Ouch.

[sharp ingot]

Yeah for those I just go "a" becomes new coat of paint on floor

[safe kiln]

\

[unreal nova]

This is why you until death/true grit with pubs.

[safe kestrel]

How long for until death cooldown?

[velvet gale]

I've never actually touched psyker, it scares me. I messed around a bit with Ogryn and Zealot but mostly play Vet right now.

[safe kestrel]

Or is it once a match?

[safe kiln]

2 min

[safe kestrel]

That’s fair. It shouldn’t be shorter

[sharp ingot]

Also usually when I have it proc it throws me off so much I keel over dead immediately after anyway

Krill issue? For sure

But eh

Ion like it anyway

[safe kestrel]

I think you’re supposed to hit that fury immediately to get that health back

[sharp ingot]

fucking infuriating when it gets wasted cuz your team leaves you in a trapper net in a field of warpfire

So very rarely do I have it trigger and most of the time it's shit like that where it just prolongs the frustration

[velvet gale]

So if I want to avoid bad habits it's best to stick with Vet and Psyker until I git gud with them?

[safe kestrel]

If you want to transition to other classes later, at a faster pace, I’d suggest get over psyker

[sharp ingot]

They do quite forcefully beat them out of you

[safe kestrel]

I’m a psyker main btw. This isn’t favorite class bias, this is real

[sharp ingot]

Psyker is just stupid squishy

If you don't dodge good you just will die

[sonic kayak]

But playing Psyker well usually translates to good game sense with other classes

[velvet gale]

Thank you.

[faint beacon]

Translates with Veteran also

Double edged sword being a Vet main

[safe kestrel]

Important lesson I’m learning from mid level havocs; you still can’t rely on infinite dodges for your problems. If you’re surrounded you need to make an exit either by push attack or attack if you can’t dodge out of the crowd

[faint beacon]

Class is mediocre but you learn how to play everyone else incredibly well

[sharp ingot]

Also man, I been playing arby a bunch and I got super rusty with vet

[safe kestrel]

I’ve seen bushman give a lot of good advice @velvet gale

[sonic kayak]

Also, absolutely no one can be behind you

[sharp ingot]

Psyker not so much, that sword is pure seggs

[faint beacon]

This is why I don’t exclusively only play Arby

I immediately follow it up with Vet matches

Cause holy shit it’s bad going a few days from Arby to then like Vet

[velvet gale]

I'd like a free dog for my other characters :p

[sharp ingot]

Since release I basically only played arby till I got him to lvl 60 and all his special weapons maxed out

[safe kestrel]

This is so real. It’s literally worth using the time to cut down that lone walker every time over spraying the horde with warp just so you can do it efficiently

[unreal nova]

SHHHHHHHHHHH.

[faint beacon]

I also play mainly lone wolf cause I don’t like the idea the dog turns off 2 important disabler types

[sharp ingot]

Past few days has been vet to get me back into the misery of others

[faint beacon]

My Arby is only 105 atm

[sonic kayak]

All of those nice juicy crushers you have lined up? That's cute, here's a random poxer who wants to give you a hug

[sharp ingot]

But can pet dawg

[sonic kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229

[warm schooner]

my favorite is when the dog launches the poxburster towards you

thanks boy

[unreal nova]

Someone pinged the boomer.

[fiery raft]

Hello

[umbral scaffold]

You mean when you hold down right click and then throw with left?

[fiery raft]

It's been a while since I touched dark tide

Probably since right before arbites released

Anything much changed bout vet?

[stiff merlin]

Rending strikes on plasma gun, yay or nay?

[sonic kayak]

Vet is now one of 5 classes in the game

Before Arby it was 4

[honest quiver]

waow

[fiery raft]

so not much?

[sonic kayak]

nah, it's not worth it on most weapons except maybe lasguns

[unreal nova]

CaB is a lot better.

[sonic kayak]

Vet has only been indirectly touched by the shotgun buffs tbh

[unreal nova]

Still sucks, but... usable.

[stiff merlin]

I was working on my Plasma Gun build and I just reset and start from scratch and I was thinking "does it even need 10% rending? it wouldn't hurt, but if there's a better use for that point..."

[safe kestrel]

It’s great arby brought new players into the game, but when you’re playing auric or higher and one of them shotguns a burster you were about to push, as a psyker, well…

[unreal nova]

Or ping.

[fiery raft]

CaB?

[stiff merlin]

Don't tell reddit that

[unreal nova]

WW10 trying to outpush a dog some idiot pinged a boomer.

[unreal nova]

Catch a Breath.

[sonic kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/jungkook-disappearing-jungkook-meme-jungkook-disappearing-disappeared-gif-23192382

[fiery raft]

Oh shit, which node is that again?

[stiff merlin]

its under frag grenade

right before survivalist

[sonic kayak]

My only contribution to the subreddit has been posting a clip of stunlocking a Daemonhost, naturally 3/4ths comments were arguments about something like grammar

[fiery raft]

Ah okay

[safe kestrel]

Ouch

[unreal nova]

What did you expect from Ledditors?

[sonic kayak]

Nothing less

Except one funny comment where one guy was like "ok now how is this in a maelstrom"

[safe kestrel]

Poxburster to the face I can feel it in my real life body it hurts so much

[sonic kayak]

Brother if I do it in a maelstrom the DH will be dead before I can record

[sonic kayak]

I think I physically brace when I'm about to get burster'd to the face lol

[safe kestrel]

When the burster clock slows down because you pushed it too much my heart drops. It went roulette mode 😭

[sharp ingot]

I don't do that but I instinctively twitch the moment I hear anything resembling a trapper

[sonic kayak]

Yeah that too

[sharp ingot]

Like my car made a funny noise yesterday

My thumb twitched trying to smack spacebar to dodge

[safe kestrel]

What exactly are you doing that does this?

[sonic kayak]

I mean I don't normally freak out over a burster, but, say, I'm being grabbed by a mutant, and my teammate becomes allergic to mutants as they do, and a burster is trailing behind, I know my mate is not gonna be pushing that away

[sonic kayak]

Specifically on Ogryn, with the mk 3 shovel punch

You can also stunlock them with the clubs

[unreal nova]

Doom. I run the dook away at that point.

[safe kestrel]

I saw some guy get snatched by a mutant the moment a burster got in range. It charged him into the burster as it did its suicide leap entering the door. I was vet and approaching to push attack burster. We both died and team wiped lmaoooo

[unreal nova]

That's the point it gets pinged by me. Maybe doggo will, maybe doggo won't.

[safe kestrel]

BRACE FOR IMPACT

https://tenor.com/view/planes-flying-gif-8912025

[empty aurora]

Psyker and Zealot get a Super cool two handed weapon, maybe.....

[formal hamlet]

My teammates when there's a burster far away.

https://tenor.com/view/mme-and-darin-in-pubg-when-someone-is-shooting-to-us-shooting-gif-12344787

My teammates when there's a burster next to me.

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-stewie-griffin-gif-23481779

[empty aurora]

"I'm gonna push back this burster and clear out some of the horde behind it"

the zealot who just got done imbibing Howlettes "special incense" with a power maul

[sudden cedar]

Sometimes i take more damage from teammates blowing up a poxburster in my face than actual damage from enemies.

[safe kestrel]

I’m so dumb I didn’t realize until recently that you can effectively push them back even when they’re smashed inside a trash mob horde

Ngl before I was running like forest gump. Other people always took care of it somehow

[unreal nova]

This is me on Arby. My teammates scare me more.

[unreal forge]

always shoot poxbursters when I can

dont trust my teammates not to do it when it's on my face

[sharp ingot]

I shoot bursters in 2 cases

1- they're far and open

2- my friend is about to try and push them

[sudden cedar]

I hope 2 is a joke and not sincere.

[sharp ingot]

Well it depends

Are they running a zealot martyrdom build with 7 wounds?

Sincere, I'm technically helping

Are they at like 3 hp and no wounds? Nah I leave

[formal hamlet]

Do we have any talents that increase ADS speed?

[normal bay]

Lmao, I was just thinking this after a game earlier

[formal hamlet]

Also does getting 50% more krak grenade damage help with anything besides a boss?

[sharp ingot]

Makes the overkill damage number funnier

[formal hamlet]

Does opening salvo work well with the helbore lasgun? If I'm getting ammo infinitely refunded from weakspot hits thanks to shock trooper so my magazine is just permanently topped up, do I just constantly benefit from that +10% crit hit chance?

I've got a spare point for a build and thinking of taking it.

[stone zealot]

@narrow frost

[narrow frost]

cover peak gaming

with vigil;

[hearty panther]

Ramirez! Take position behind those boxes on the roof of that Burger Town!

[tame lodge]

Damn

Rare peeking vet

In the wild

[narrow frost]

thats me

[stone zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-deaf-ddong-pakang-gif-3598782696580489913

[narrow frost]

his name is karl

[formal hamlet]

Bit of a dumb question but what's my incentive for doing the weekly challenges? What's so good about the currency it gives? Maybe I'm using Melk's shop wrong, but I rarely see anything I really need from there.

[sudden cedar]

He can sell you curios.

Or more like..

You can gamble away your coins in the vain hope of being gifted a 17% toughness curio.

Or 21% health, 3 Stamina.

That is.. about it.

The Rework for Crafting and Mastery of Weapons has made Melks Shop.. obsolete.

[formal hamlet]

I'd prefer it if he gave me diamantine and what not.

[narrow frost]

its time

[formal hamlet]

I suppose my curios aren't "optimal". I don't have 21% ones, mine are like 15-16%.

[unreal nova]

You can roll maxxed curios with crazy luck. He sold me 2x +3 stam 420 power one day.

[formal hamlet]

Does power matter on curios?

[unreal nova]

Stam? Yes.

410+ or basically bust.

Is a fake one usually if 400 below.

[long dove]

is running psword and plasma the better idea or psword and recon? or is it either or as long as I run Survivorlist and Shout?

[unreal nova]

Whichever feels more fun.

[formal hamlet]

Fake in what way? A 500 rating curio gives more stamina than a lower rating one?

[long dove]

Hmm for plasma do I just focus on elites and such?

[formal hamlet]

Depends on how much ammo you've got at the time, I will shoot into hordes with it if I've got plenty.

[unreal nova]

More, that 400 +3 stam is only +2 in a real mission.

The UI lies to you.

Psykhanium lies to you.

[formal hamlet]

Damn, can't trust shit these days.

Guess I'll try to keep an eye out for high rating curios.

[unreal nova]

Always test in SedationUprising.

[formal hamlet]

My curios are like 360 lol.

I got 2 toughness ones and a +3 stamina one.

[unreal nova]

The stam is likely a fake if 360 lul.

[formal hamlet]

So what do I do with Melk, do I check limited time acquisitions each reset for curios, or burn a ton on mystery acquisitions?

[unreal nova]

Check brunt. Could use a browser extension to check out of game.

[formal hamlet]

If I'm not in game I probably won't give enough of a shit tbh.

[narrow widget]

rare sighting of a vet actually taking cover

[unreal nova]

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/armoury-exchange/

[stone zealot]

the time was the worst

[unreal nova]

True, but it helped me score some stuff on oggy.

[stone zealot]

a bit of both

[covert dagger]

Has anyone noticed a really distinct play style difference at different times?

I usually have a good 85%+ success on level 3s, but when I play during my day (PST) like, that drops to maybe 30%?

Let's get the "you suck, git gud" out of the way. Most games have a different "play style" depending on when you play.

[narrow frost]

people get off work

people without lives usually are better players and can easily clear missions

but when the people who work get off work and hop on they just wanna chill and win

but usually arent as good

[covert dagger]

Makes sense. Totes a no lifer here, been mainlinig this game since COVID

[heavy rover]

yeah, and on top of that some don't get time to play until the weekend

[covert dagger]

Not super great, but I like to think I don't completely suck

[robust basin]

what are the big vet builds rn

[covert dagger]

No clue. I like my AK style, my lasrifle and my bayonet.

[heavy rover]

are you talking about the "meta" build? Or off-meta builds that work?

[heavy rover]

ah, greetings fellow helbore user 🤝

[covert dagger]

YES! I can go through like four or five poxwalkers as they run through a chokepoint.

[robust basin]

meta for now

[covert dagger]

And I like the release to shoot aim, gives you time to line up a shot

[heavy rover]

I've run havoc games without ever needing to pick up ammo or grenades

[heavy rover]

voice of command, plasma and dueling sword

though be aware that both of which are up for rebalancing based on what the devs say

[robust basin]

so basically the top voted voice of command build on gameslantern is good enough?

[heavy rover]

nah not really, that build isn't the most ideal

[umbral scaffold]

I've never been so point-starved

[hollow ibex]

Never trust random public builds on gameslantern

[robust basin]

someone post me a build then, quick

[honest quiver]

why

just read through this https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

it's in the pins

[unreal nova]

Can't. I run Bistol+Knoife. XD

[honest quiver]

knoife

[unreal nova]

Yes, knoife.

[sly blaze]

WHICH Tac AXE MK is good ?

[hollow ibex]

VII

[sly blaze]

thank you

[scenic basin]

Jury-riged a bolt pistol for havoc. What should I change? thinking of making a WS build

[unreal nova]

Just go flak mani... You aren't shooting crushers with that thing.

If you are, i'm just staring at you wasting 16-18 bullets on one crusher.

[scenic basin]

Damn.I was hoping to find a good ranged against them that's not plasma

[unreal nova]

At that point, Bolt GUN. But if it's havoc, use your dueling sword or Powersword.

You should not be shooting crushers in havoc, your gun is to suppress and kill ranged elites and specials.

You spam 'nades otherwise.

Cos the only reason you bring a Bistol is a frag spam build.

[scenic basin]

Damn.Why is being a vet in havoc so miserable?I want my gun to go pew pew and kill everyting. But i'm forsced to shout and spam nades

[unreal nova]

That's the price of being the middle child.

[narrow widget]

it's not a great build

run something similar to this

or the one in hammer of the emperor

[scenic basin]

Also does this DS look right?

[narrow widget]

could replace thrust w riposte/precognition but it's all preference
ds4 will destroy regardless

[unreal nova]

Take cara. Cara Maniac. Or Cara Flak. Maniac is to meme poke mutie heds. Flak is to deal with Mobians.

I personally will say Uncanny agile.

The extra dodges may save you more.

[narrow widget]

true I forgot agile was a thing

have it on my zealot

[unreal nova]

Ppl laughed at me going it before... Is a god send in Havoc. Just a warning, it may teach you things that may not work on other chars/weapons.

[languid prawn]

what are some endgame weapon combos for vet? i really like the recon lasgun and the braces autogun but idk if they're good

[unreal nova]

I guess you can do Tacaxe agile.

[scenic basin]

Recon is good, brace not so much in my experience. Plasma and Zarona revolver can also work

[narrow widget]

bistol shredder frags is a match made in heaven

[scenic basin]

For melee it's usually Dueling sword MK4 or Power sword MK6. Off meta options are Knife and shovel

[narrow widget]

Rashad combat axe

and tac axe got recently buffed

[unreal nova]

Knoife is not off meta, lul.

Is just DS exists.

But Knoife has mobility you cannot match.

[scenic basin]

Yea DS kinda fucked meta. I've seen people running knives in havoc and being successful with it. But yea it's mostly a running stick, so you'll needa good ranged weapon to handle everything

[unreal nova]

I like it cos... Have you had the thrill of doing a zealot on Knoife and Bistol just trying to speedrun because everyone is dead?

Just, remove zealot and put vet.

[scenic basin]

Really hoping for a tree rework soon. Right now there's only 1 build in end game and it can get pretty boring since it's mostly support build

[unreal nova]

Because everything else needs some buffs.

Like why DPS when an Oggy can do it better?

[narrow widget]

why snipe elites when Arby's exists

[unreal nova]

It's way more risky for less benefits.

[unreal nova]

The only unique thing is ammo gen, field improv maybe saving a run and 'nade spam 5% lets go gambling, aww dangit.

[slow spade]

there's also the fast cooldown yellow toughness c:

[languid prawn]

what melee weapons are good? ive only used the combat knfie so far but ive heard chainaxe is good what do u think

[narrow widget]

me wrestling the Arby's for elite kills:

[narrow widget]

obv dueling sword, power sword mk 6

[scenic basin]

Main choces are Dueling sword MK4 and Power Sword MK6

[slow spade]

Tactical Awareness only procs on specialists so just target them c:

[scenic basin]

Knife is puerly a running stick

[languid prawn]

thanks og's

[narrow widget]

axes are great rn as well

[unreal nova]

Yes, but Zealot can do it if you know what you are doing as well.

[scenic basin]

Also Helbore CAN work but it's extremely hard to make it work

when it comes to ranged @languid prawn

[languid prawn]

i tried the helbore but i dont rlly like it

so far the coolest ones to me at least are the recon las and braced autogun, i dont rlly like revolvers either

[scenic basin]

I've always loved it but it's too slow for current meta

[hollow ibex]

Helbore is very strong

You do need good positioning however

[narrow widget]

play bolter

[languid prawn]

also my skill tree is cooked. i just went down the right side fully no idea what im supposed to do

[scenic basin]

And game snese in general sinc if you get caught you're gonna be stuck in a long ass switch animation

[scenic basin]

press E to reset it

[hollow ibex]

It’s a lot better now

[languid prawn]

nice

[scenic basin]

yea, but still on the slow side

[narrow widget]

this is meta (source: trust me bro)

100%

[languid prawn]

will follow it to a t thanks

[narrow widget]

1000%

[languid prawn]

xD

[hollow ibex]

I think you missed some of the tax nodes

Not trying hard enough smh

[scenic basin]

it was a joke just in case. Don't do that unless you wana meme

[scenic basin]

Actual meta lookslike this. Leftover points are up to preference

[tacit sonnet]

Now this is real meta

[serene bough]

Middle maxing

[narrow widget]

I don't think we're getting better than this

[narrow widget]

id argue some of the right side nodes are pretty set in stone as well
like at least reciprocity and desperado

[languid prawn]

actual goat behavior

[scenic basin]

I could see that. But I simply don't have enough points for them in my build. plus dmg is not Vet'sstrong suit at this point. Might aswell go full support

Unless I want to exchange Born leader for them

And Longshot with field improv

[warm schooner]

I swear everyone claiming that Vet only has one build says the exact same shit over and over

[scenic basin]

In high Havoc if you take other stuff you'll be laughted at and kicked

[warm schooner]

I literally do that in h40s all the time

in party finder

[narrow widget]

it's not as bad as zealot with 2 points spare when using the build™ definitely

[scenic basin]

What do you run?

[warm schooner]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da7999f-314a-47e5-a245-2df66897ac31/ammo-fountain-havoc-40

modified version of this is one of my mainstays

aside from builds that use helbore and smokes (not at the same time)

[scenic basin]

Bruh it is a version of what I posted before. The core is till the same.

It's always VoC, frags and survivalist

i was thinking you're runninginvis or something

[narrow widget]

but also like the pathing all the way to the end is so abysmal that if you want to take smokes you're locked out of survivalist unless you want to invest at least 3 more points into stats

[warm schooner]

no one runs invis

but exec stance I also run

and smokes

[tacit sonnet]

This is my mainstay vet build

https://i.vgy.me/jS8yNT.png

It's so good

[warm schooner]

I've seen people run vet invis in h40, can make it work but it's very much a "good team needs to work around it" sort of thing

[warm schooner]

smoke and survivalist is tight but doable, def invested in weapon specialist for it since I prefer melee heavy

[narrow widget]

yea but like this is lowk infuriating

[scenic basin]

Guys I need your opinions. SHould i exchange Longshot, Born Leader and Filed Improv for Desperado and Reciprocity?

[tacit sonnet]

yes

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vro why are you taking longshot

💔

[warm schooner]

longshit

[narrow widget]

"hmm yes I want some variation in my build"
-5 points

[scenic basin]

Cuz most of the time I'm the only one who takes care of ranged gunners so my team can take care of hordes and bosses safely and Pus Hardened skin can take Recon quite some time to kill

[warm schooner]

longshot is one of the most shit talked talents in here for a reason

[scenic basin]

I'm fine withoutit, the most thing that will hurt me in this exchange is Born leader

I either take away that or For The Emperor

[unreal nova]

GL getting 30M away from anything in H40.

Bonus, it's Hab Dreyko.

[scenic basin]

Didn't know it's30m. But yea the talent is not great.I mostly took it cuz I had a free point

[unreal nova]

It's like 13M before it grants anything, and 30M for max bonus. To change BPs on anything, you need that 30M.

GL is all I can say.

8M is coherency radius for ref that isn't chained.

[quick burrow]

guys i feel for you, i came back after a long break played arby loved it felt so tanky and godlike swapped to try veteran again did a recon lasgun with a power sword i energized did 3 swipes immediatly died to poxwalkers quit the game is embarassment never played veteran again

the game in *

[scenic basin]

I know it's a wound curio so it doesn't matter but I bought it for the sweet sweet 430

Thank you Sire Mel, very cool

[narrow widget]

bro is John Darktide

[scenic basin]

I played mainly on release and vet was a god back then. Now we're paying the price

[unreal nova]

Ignored, unloved middle child.

[warm schooner]

Can't win through math anymore

[tall torrent]

Just take born leader

[unreal nova]

Honestly, just put it anywhere else. Lul.

[scenic basin]

The question was if it's worth trading it for Desperado+recipitory

[unreal nova]

Born leader is good stuff, but can understand not going it.

[random marten]

Veteran buff idea: let him do a sick backflip

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-funny-reaction-meme-stan-twt-horse-gif-5445268815333743861

[long dove]

And throw a Shovel like a tomahawk

[safe kestrel]

This shit happened because of immaturity on criticism. The class is basically nerfed into the ground because people can’t speak with well measured analysis anymore. It’s either “ITS SO OP” or “OMG ITS DEAD”

[unreal nova]

Is more the latter though.

If you consider the way they are going with new classes.

[safe kestrel]

Yea that’s my problem. People speak in extremes and the developers give them extremes

[honest quiver]

online discourse in a nutshell

[unreal nova]

Is normal. Just how it is.

Ppl amplify something said a thousand fold.

[covert dagger]

I was new to WoW at release and was really mad at my mage being like, slightly nerfed at the time. I posted this giant screed about fairness in gaming, etc.

And then someone replied to me that if you play WITH others oftentimes "best" is measured in what you like doing.

A recon lasgun vet will always outclass me and my inflas.

But I can illuminate his targets, point the way with a flashlight, pick off strays ... and frankly I like seeing people have fun. That G is living his power fantasy. And I like a more subtle and tctical role.

I think it took me like 12 years of gaming as a main hobby to internalize.

[honest quiver]

man what

[safe kestrel]

I think people are failing to understand that coop survival games are designed to purposefully not be a lone hero effort, but a sizable portion want that experience

Then there’s cultural issues like slop producers who stream junk food for fast clicks and baiting titles at the cost of the play experience for others

Like I know it’s contemptible to claim, but I used to be into Fortnite for a brief time. It seemed like the happy medium of something I could play with my kid and nephews that we all enjoyed

But playing so good makes you pay for it severely once you get placed into streamer and pro lobbies. Then you see mass cheating and other shenanigans constantly

These same people write weekly dear diary letters to devs and try to sway popular opinion on game tweaks or balances to something that favors their play because, who can blame them, they want more of that money rolling in

[unreal nova]

Or just never care at some point. It happen. Though I do usually play healer/buffer roles if not nuker so heh. If you are doing things, all that matters.

[unreal nova]

Also, you look better winning on stream than losing.

[safe kestrel]

Badda bing

The same people lose their minds publicly, acting concerning ways when they lose

In non-payed matches even

[unreal nova]

I mean, is why I wouldn't stream anything. It would be a joke watching me do platforming in a lego game.

[safe kestrel]

I’m just a grumpy old head that misses the prior era of gaming before “e-sports” and streamers as a norm

[unreal nova]

I understand the feel. The need to be better gone crazy nowadays.

[barren girder]

as an older zoomer who always says "e-sports was a mistake" u right

[unreal nova]

Games are for fun... NOPE. PLAY ONLY TO WIN.

[barren girder]

i hate that theres no middle ground cause whenever i say that people immediately think i side with "buff everything" discourse

[languid prawn]

thoughts on the shock maul?

[unreal nova]

Buff bad, nerf OP.

Fix bugs.

[hollow ibex]

Meh

[junior grail]

Shock Maul feels great on Arby but meh on everyone else

[hollow ibex]

Even on arbi not a huge fan tbh

Has a niche in deleting void shields

But otherwise not particularly impressive

[frank basin]

It is hit fast?

[unreal nova]

Use special.

Lul.

[frank basin]

How fast it drain the shield?

[unreal nova]

Try it yourself.

[frank basin]

Vs the knife

[hollow ibex]

Super fucking fast

[unreal nova]

Is funni.

Go do a train.

Then special.

[frank basin]

So is a light swing + heavy damage?

Swing quite fast deal good or heavy damage to shield

[hollow ibex]

Faster than any knife combo

[frank basin]

I only think knifing on shield is light attack since the shield has dmg attenuation

My friend who play with me ask about arbite after explain he call “so is a pay to win class”

No matter telling him not he repeat “is a pay to win class”

Because I haven’t restating that about arbite I knewing feeling he’s the kind guy make straight point

[junior grail]

Arbites is a pay to play class

[hollow ibex]

He’s not entirely wrong

The only reason Arbites isn’t pay 2 win is because of how busted ogryn is

[junior grail]

Ogryn Rumbler just trivialises everything

[frank basin]

I’ll wait when he try ogryn

He’s only did psyker last run, just one round level 7 and we stop; again.

I got a job now

Probably if he really gonna play with me on Saturday at my zone

Otherwise he gonna ask me play mech warrior mercenary 5

[safe kestrel]

My mane

[unreal nova]

Psyker is wet tissue paper.

What did he expect?

[frank basin]

He was run veteran max level now psyker

We haven’t play for long ago

[unreal nova]

So paper to wet tissue.

I can see why he thinks Arby is pay 2 win.

Other than dog save.

[frank basin]

He’s like good in sm2 I think that

[safe kestrel]

Man I hate the rumbler only play for so many reasons. I see what everyone says about it. Like I’m almost mad at the end of games for what it does to my system

Like rumbler plus box ogryn is aids

[little path]

I set most of my characters to low height so I can use boxes as cover

[unreal nova]

Nobody believes me till they get 2 rumbler boxes oggy.

Or 3.

[sonic kayak]

Imagine having to force everything into a role and identify/label things as such instead of letting things be and live in the power fantasy as intended by the devs

Couldn't be me

[safe kestrel]

This guy was a three box ogryn. I lost control of my character and started spinning

[unreal nova]

No... think 1 vet, 3 rumbler boxes oggies.

I just went AFK.

[safe kestrel]

Omg lmao

[unreal nova]

Once they got inf 'nades.

[safe kestrel]

I’d be happy if it didn’t crash outright

[unreal nova]

0.01 fps is fun.

[safe kestrel]

That play style literally costs me health

I hear a grenade. Oh, I’m standing in it but don’t see it

[unreal nova]

I just know they tossed one when extreme stutters for 15 secs.

[safe kestrel]

I’m so sorry

[unreal nova]

Cos one had reboom 50% chance as well.

So those 9 'nades become...

Yes.

Great stuff.

[severe gale]

real on MF

[unreal nova]

Skirmisher funni on 'nade build.

[hollow ibex]

Tbh I kinda came around MF a bit with Helbore

[grand perch]

that mmf slander

[hollow ibex]

But I think this misses a few nodes

And is too harsh on low profile and ghetto duty and honor

[unreal nova]

Skirmisher reeeeeeeeeeee

Funni on 'nade build.

[sonic kayak]

wRong, I use Onslaught because my favorite YTer said it can kill armor, instead of just using my melee or letting literally anything else take care of armor in a fraction of the time I can with Onslaught

[narrow frost]

meow and I are just talking about the talent tress

[unreal nova]

Knoife light spam works with it too.

[faint beacon]

Further reminding me the depressing state Veteran and Zealot are in right now

[tall torrent]

What build do u have that can’t take those

[empty aurora]

How would yall feel about vet getting a spear or other polearm

Probably one like this

[grand perch]

boring

[jaunty tinsel]

I'd genuinely crash-out if it was in stead of a weapon a vet SHOULD get, like the flamer or a volleygun

[tall torrent]

Not entirely accurate tbh

[narrow frost]

its not